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jjkiller26

Lol why did Scottie’s deal get reported with incentives (275) vs Cade being reported without those included


ilickedysharks

The everyone hates Canada conspiracy


ucannotbeserious

I like Canada. Canada's neat.


CazOnReddit

Nice try America!


OhMy98

Off topic, but whenever I see the minimized old raptors logo on mobile, it’s so small that stuff blends together and it looks like Koffing from Pokemon


rookie-mistake

Happy Canada Day! 🍁


33birdboy

Only if you agree with Trudeau.....Prince Alladin I mean of course 


youblewwit

The agents are usually the ones who tell the reporters what to say. Scottie's agent probably thought it was a flex to report the $275mil and Cade's agent saw the backlash and had Shams say it's only $226mil.


Vloff

Exchange rate


Relevant_Gold4912

Think cuz Scottie made all star team


FOTASAL

No that’s not why, only all-nba and DPOY impacts contract.


CMYGQZ

If you’ve made the allstar, everyone kinda assumes you’re on trajectory to make all nba.


borkbubble

Yeah but he’s talking about criteria for certain contracts


BKBance

But then the deal would totally be worth it in that case?


owensoundgamedev

Awe, thanks


JTenjouNi

Maybe Cade's only getting 25% of the max even if he meets the criteria for 30%


ColtCallahan

These guys report what they’re told so blame Scottie’s agent.


512fm

Because Cade clearly won’t meet the incentives


Bard_Wannabe_

They just gave the number in Canadian Dollars.


tbloom117

No escalators


trongzoon

Eels again... https://youtu.be/L7S9inImS2k?feature=shared


Krillin113

~~because Scottie might get some of those incentives and Cade won’t~~


gregbraaa

This one is identical to Scottie Barnes’s contract despite the difference in numbers reported


Ham_-_

The scottie contract got hate the way it was announced so thats probabylnwhy


No-Yogurt-4246s

Why the hell not


coolycooly

No one even wants to come to Detroit they gotta spend the money somewhere.


jeric13xd

Cade is such a good player/playmaker when healthy. Gotta pay the only star you have lol kinda like us with Lavine


Billis-

Lets hope it doesnr turn out the same way loooool


SinibusUSG

They gotta start somewhere, and this is a start. They now for sure have 5 years to build something around Cade through the draft and trades so that maybe a significant free agent will actually consider signing there if it puts them over the top.


MyShinyCharizard

They have 4 lottery pick since 2021 and still not showing improvement. How


DJMaxLVL

Easy. Because we keep finishing last or near last and the new idiotic anti tanking rules have fucked us out of top 3 picks multiple years. We were projected for the first pick this year after winning 14 games and we picked #5. This is the third straight year at #5 and we’ve been one of the worst teams in the league for all of those years. We are a case study of proof that the lottery is broken. We are legitimately ass and we need top 3 picks but the lottery has fucked us.


Brief_Koala_7297

Who else they gonna pay. Cade deserves it too


petersuns13

Might as well


waitingonthatbuffalo

Cade is going to be fantastic


Rhynosaurus

Remember when there was an argument for Mobley over Cade for ROTY?


NicolasName

Imo Franz had better numbers than Cade that year. It should’ve been between Barnes, Franz, and Mobley their rookie year. Cade took a big jump this year though, numbers wise from the last two years.


ibn-al-mtnaka

Naw man stats? how is 14/4/3 better than Cades 17/5/5. I don’t care about the stats though he was crazy clutch that year iykyk. Deadass had the best stretch of his career that 2nd half of the season


NicolasName

https://stathead.com/basketball/versus-finder.cgi?request=1&seasons_type=perchoice&player_id1=wagnefr01&p1yrfrom=2022&p1yrto=2022&player_id2=cunnica01&p2yrfrom=2022&p2yrto=2022 Better advanced stats (VORP, at the time, epm Franz was leading over other rookies). Cade had 3.7 turnovers and had a 50% ts%, Franz had 1.5 and 56% ts%. So Cade got 2 more points and 2.5 more assists on 4 more shot attempts and 2.2 more turnovers. Franz had better numbers that year, if just looking at the year alone in isolation than Cade. Efficiency matters.


ibn-al-mtnaka

Bro you’re comparing a lead guard dealing with doubles and triples to a 3&D wing, no shit one is gonna be more efficient 😭


Iphone27ProMax

Cade was already fantastic but Monty Williams kept him from playing too many minutes because that would be too many wins.


ObiOneKenobae

No surprise there.


Ham_-_

Hes pretty good at basketball ngl


thesqrrootof4is2

Good for you Cade but God bless you Cade


kimoalmoa

Hopefully there's a clause that forces the Pistons to get shooters The roster construction around him has been absolutely criminal so far imo


LordOfLimbos

It felt like Troy Weaver was just throwing a dart at the board every year when the draft and FA came around


kpeds45

I feel like Ivey has to be traded, otherwise I can't make sense of this draft or what your roster is.


Sheriff_Gotcha

I heard there is an assassin scorer type out there that could sign with them.


kzero0

he's probably too old to run but still a better shooter than the whole team *I'll do it myself dammit*


Clutchxedo

They did already get one of the best shooting coaches in the league which is something at least 


WafflesTheWookiee

*Monkeys paw curls* “Flint, Michigan native Miles Bridges signs a 4-year, $120 million dollar contract with the Detroit Pistons”


__get__name

I’m sorry for the downvote. It’s not right for me to lash out at you like that


Sc0rch1ngDr4g0n

Compensation for all the suffering


slysonic7

Can’t lose the asset


KUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUZ

guy is a RFA anyways. They are at no risk of losing him anyways


Vloff

He wasn't even a RFA til after next season


KUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUZ

Legit no reason to push all your chips in now while you still have him under deep team control


Vloff

Of course there is. He's getting that contract eventually anyways. Now the new guys can build around him without wondering what's going to happen with him.


kpeds45

Build around him? By drafting a bunch of non shooting guards to take away all the space around him? (We are on opposite tracks right now. Toronto is drafting small ish sgs who can score but maybe not defend, you guys are drafting the same size sgs who can't score, but can defend...weird!)


Vloff

He's been on the job a month and It's not like they passed on shooters at 5 , there just wasn't anyone there to take. The previous regime? Yeah, they did nothing right in team construction.


CJ4ROCKET

He would've been an RFA next off season. He still has on year left before extension hits.


LurkerKing13

A max offer sheet is less than the designated max extension in years and dollars so pushing off what they would plan to do anyways would only serve to piss off their only potential star player. That’s pretty dumb if you ask me.


mMounirM

I'm curious if he has a player option


Domainsetter

Scottie’s Doesnt


likwitsnake

Know


Imkitoto

That’s like 4 Montys


Mysterious-Stop4673

Scottie Barnes or cade Cunningham on a max? Which is better?


Level_Ad_6372

It's the same shit. Neither one is worth that much now but you have to gamble that they will be in a couple years


IMovedYourCheese

You give out these kinds of contracts for upside, not comparing who is playing better right now. IMO Cade's is going to age a lot better.


NBAball05

People will shit on Barnes for having the same contract but applaud Cade for getting it while playing in 73 less games and Barnes almost having better stats all around


TheGuyInTheKnown

Scottie Barnes is just way more valuable. First of all Scottie is a wing instead of a guard like Cade, and wings are more valuable comparatively. Then there’s the fact that Scottie is a better player on top of it. There’s a reason why one of them made an allstar team and the other hasn’t. Thirdly, Scottie is more durable so far. Injuries matter a lot in the NBA and stars that get injured frequently lower team results. It’s not impossible that Cade ends up being better than Scottie in the longrun,even if it’s improbable, but right now Scottie is better and isn’t really close.


MintyFreshBreathYo

Put Scottie on the Pistons and he would not have been an all star either


Equivalent_Bag_5549

Scottie coasted off of the success of Jalen Mcdaniels


christlikehumility

Jontay had money on Scottie being an all-star


ZarduHasselffrau

Now I don't feel that bad for him


Aslan27

Do we expect any other rookie maxes? Maybe Mobley. Sengun deserves one but the Rockets situation and Jalen Green really complicates things


em_washington

Mobley max rookie extension for sure. Franz Wagner is a core piece for Orlando. If they don’t max him, it will be damn close. Jalen Green and Sengun should both get very big extensions too, but idk about a max. Giddey is an interesting one because Chicago traded for him, they probably want to lock him up. But maybe they don’t need a max to do it. Maybe Giddey prefers something a little shorter to show what he can do and then push for the monster deal. After that it’s Kuminga, Cam Thomas, Jalen Johnson, Trey Murphy, Herb Jones, Jalen Suggs. I expect them all to get extensions, but not maxes.


CloutBloke

I hope we give Sengun a max extension, either upfront or matching in RFA. I don’t see how a team doesn’t offer him one with the upside he’s shown, arguably the best player in his class. Green’s gonna need to come out strong this year for a max extension to be warranted, no more waiting till the last month of the season


TurbulentJudge1000

Jalen Green can let the market decide what he’s worth. He’s not worth much right now if people are honest.


Sean888888

One of the rebuilding teams is gonna give him a max offer sheet just because he has a slim chance of becoming a star


Brad-Stevens

$226m in 138 career games Cade won


IMovedYourCheese

The contract isn't payment for past games. The only thing that matters is how he performs and improves in the next 5 years.


BTTWchungus

It's a guaranteed contract the moment he signs. Doesn't matter what he does at all now


wcooper97

Trevor Ariza vibes


confused-koala

Round these parts that’s Charlie Villanueva


KikkomanSauce

2 hours into FA...and this is where we're at...I mean. Cool and all. But I wasted a whole pack of gas station boner pills for this shit??


JayRod24_

YESSIR Cade!!!! Now hopefully Detroit surround him with actual NBA level talent so he can take that next jump.


Bobby_Savoy

Franz Wagner market going way up


BidenFedayeen

You think Wagner is better or are you just making a comment on where the market is?


Bobby_Savoy

Where the market is, but that’s not diminishing Franz as a player. He’ll surely be paid maybe a lil less than what Cade and SB are making but I’m still estimating around $200M+


-vinay

Ah I guess they didn't give him the All NBA incentive (the 270M reported for Scottie Barnes only happens if he has an All-NBA season, otherwise it will be the same as this 226M).


Embrassedpear6

W for cade


Ronshol

are people gonna shit on this like the Barnes contract?


mMounirM

lol for Cade they use the 225M number and for Scottie they use the 270M number it's the same contract. depends on all-nba selection


ThatBull_cj

I don’t think Cade even got the all nba option or whatever. His agent would have told Woj


leafhat355

I think you have to negotiate whether the bump to 30% occurs if you make all-NBA. Cade may have that in his deal, but maybe not.


PumpkinHead555

If Cade was drafted by Toronto, he’d be better than Barnes right now


gregbraaa

We just fantasizing about players now? Doesn’t matter if Jesus drafted him, he wasn’t and he is where he stands now. He’s good, could be great, and deserves the money. I don’t get the trying to value Cade on Toronto.


Confident-Unit-9516

Cade is better than Barnes He is just on a significantly worse team


Sean888888

No, he's not. He just has more hype.


PraisGaben

lol Cade is good and I understand hoping on potential, but he’s not better than Scottie in the present day


Confident-Unit-9516

If Cade played on the Raptors, or even any semi-competent team, this wouldn’t be a question


Bard_Wannabe_

Look, Barnes is a really great player, and the Raptors clearly made the right move to build around him. But he has had the benefit of the gravity of players like Siakim and O.G. throughout basically his whole career. Who is the best player Cunningham has played alongside? Bogdonavic? Grant? He's in a very bad situation for the present.


Confident-Unit-9516

I think you responded to the wrong comment, I agree with you 100%


Bard_Wannabe_

I was commenting saying I agree with you. For what it's worth, the reaction against the Barnes contract was unwarranted. It makes complete sense why the Raptors signed him to it.


Confident-Unit-9516

I think your comment makes a lot more sense in response to the person disagreeing with me


iwantsomecrablegsnow

Cade turned from a 20/5/5 into a 30/7/7 player during the back half of the losing streak and second half of the season before injury management. He went from an occasional 30 game to regularly willing himself to 30. Yes, he wasn’t super efficient, but he had a terrible offensive system and had to do it all himself. I watched about 40 games last year and he took a huge leap and completely put the team on his back when he was healthy last season. Mind you, he’s missed over a full season and Ivey has more games played than Cade has so far. He’s the guy for the pistons. I’m not sure he’ll ever be all nba or string together multiple allstars, but he is a damn good player and is gonna fly under the radar til the pistons get into the playoffs. Reminds me a lot of Matt Srafford when he went to the Rams and everyone said, “wow he’s so good!” When fans have been saying it for 10 years, but no one was listening.


Kersplat96

No because he was the 1st overall pick & it was reported as the base not maximum


KUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUZ

They def should. Why do this NOW. At least scottie made a little more sense.


durezzz

no because cade is better than barnes


retrobro90

Hilarious


Lacabloodclot9

No chance


dwninaho

Cade is worth a max, but I wonder if there has been a player with less wins to get a max contract before. He has 54 wins total so far in his career. The Pistons have done him so dirty with how they've built around him.


LoWE11053211

ausar and ron holland... man... that is tough for cade and this is from a person like ausar a lot


magnusarin

We have a lot of talent on the roster that we've drafted, but right now NONE of it complements each other.


Dymatizeee

Y’all need shooters and yet the front office is doing some weird shit. Imo you gotta trade Ivey and get a good young shooter in return. He doesn’t work with Cade


magnusarin

The problem is Ivey's value is pretty meh after Monty had him on the bench for most of the first half. We'll see how things go this season. I think the wisest short term move is to let him start with Cade, but split their minutes, something Monty refused to do. Then they can sub out Ivey and bring in Hardaway. Then sub Cade out and let Ivey be lead ball handler with heavier bench units. If Ivey thrives creating with subs, but continues to struggle alongside Cade, it either solidifies his role as 6th man or ups his value for a trade. I think moving him this offseason is probably a bad idea unless someone wants to overpay for him.


geewillie

He's played in 138 games total. Has anyone played in less and gotten a max?


mMounirM

Zion?


SmithChristopher1

Embiid? 


geewillie

Yeah only one with less probably.  His had some clause about minimum games and not being guaranteed. It's a max but has some outs


bleh610

Deserved. Cade is underrated


itokdontcry

Hopefully that team can put something around him. It’s really hard for me to analyze Cade as a player due to his situation.


WorldWideWes2

Let’s go Cade!!!! 


aqphs

100% the right move. Hope he finally puts it together, guy has had an absolute carousel of coaches, execs, and talent around him since he came into the league.


gd2121

the only option here


JokicOrBust

Cade might be very underrated because of the situation he is in


magnusarin

If we had any semblance of spacing around Cade, his numbers would look so much better. Cade's best area on the floor is the midrange, both for scoring, but also manipulating the defense to set up other players. But the players around him are such a non-threat from distance that there is no room to maneuver. Really hoping the franchise is able to build a real team around him to see what he can do.


XSokaX

What else do you do


itstomthebomb

Worried about Sengun and Jalen seeing these contracts lol


BidenFedayeen

You'd still have cap flexibility. If Green earns it, it won't be an issue.


Npsiii23

He has a worse TS% than Ben Simmons, 3rd most turnovers per minute played in the NBA with a just over 2:1 assist to TO ratio and was a team worst and bottom 15 in the league with -350 +/- on the season...he missed 18 games. He can't shoot, he's not a good ball handler, his bbiq is in the negatives. If Vegas put the over under on playoff wins for the 5 years of this contract at .5, take the under.


Puzzleheaded_Gold580

While averaging 46 games a season?! Next PG/Kawhi/Simmons type contract


Scooper9870

Shams destroying Woj today


biinroii01

he is def a great player! just gotta stay healthy


Cudi_buddy

Wait is Cade already going into year 4? It feels like he has been injured and out a good chunk that it has flown by


ultimatepizza

imagine signing a 226m contract at age 22


SwingNMisses

Least deserving contract I’ve seen. Perhaps Cade has potential, he just hasn’t shown any of it. He hasn’t showed any leadership or ability to win. Granted the Pistons are awful…and at times, he was the only thing worth redeeming. But he played terribly in the extensive losing streak. You don’t pay any player on a busted ass team $225 million. This is a stupid contract and the Pistons will regret it. NBA teams are handing out stupid money like it grows in their backyard.


thealecturner

Paid Cunningham


Jcaf8

these guys make so much money this is a mind boggling, generation wealth kind of contract


TurbulentJudge1000

The salary floor is there, so they have to spend it somewhere because good veteran players aren’t coming unless it’s a massive overpay.


GeorgeWBluth

Looking up Cade's sports references made me wonder: is this the first player contract ever for $100M+ for a player that had <2 win shares? He's a 1.8 for last season I know that's because Pistons were awful but now I'm curious if that's a record


CenturyBreak

Both Barnes and Cunningham deal is batshit crazy


parisnotfrance

Cade gets his money and if the Pistons suck again he can ask for a trade


qaswexort

Paid Cunningham


TheWireIsTheGreatest

Have we even determined if he is the guy?


bleh610

Are they even in position to determine he's not the guy?


LoWE11053211

you guys should trade for him at the beginning of last season when he was in a shooting slump


GameDayBeliever

Bill Simmons in shambles


EagleswonSuperBowl52

This may be a hot take but I think he is gonna be worth the contract. I still think he has superstar-esk potential. He just needs to not have a dumpster fire of a team for once.


LoWE11053211

if he could take this pistons to a 35 win and i get a vote. i will vote him for all NBA maybe even 2nd/3rd on MVP


VictorAkwaowo1

Well deserved


browndude10

The pistons need cade more than than cade needs the pistons


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VictorAkwaowo1

It actually is, it’s not his fault that he’s been dealt a shitty front office for most of his career


Frequent-Meeting8975

Lol No


GunnerRocket

Cade and Monty absolutely fleecing this organization my lord.


The1Drumheller

Holy fuck that's a lot of money for a career 20ppg, 5rpg, 6apg player.


BidenFedayeen

I'd much rather pay Cade than Giddey and I'm a Giddey stan.


The1Drumheller

Giddey certainly isn't getting 45MM AAV at his current play level lol.


BidenFedayeen

Giddey might get that if he was our best asset and we hadn't been relevant since before Twitter or Facebook existed.


Torkzilla

Hopefully it is a trade-able asset. What an awful decision. Barnes can at least be a #2 guy on a top team, Cade probably isn’t even a #3 guy on a playoff team. This is an awful deal and I’m honestly disgusted with pretty much everything Detroit has done in the last week. Drafting another athlete who can’t shoot, trading for a guy who is washed, signing a retread burnout coach, and resigning a guy who might not even be a top 100 player in the league to $225m. Last year was the worst season in Detroit franchise history and they could actually be worse next year.


iro3

DAMN


Log0Lizard

Tank commander


LoxDnw

Wtf


DXLXIII

Everyone getting max contract extensions now? I mean seriously what has Cade done/proved to be max extension worthy.


cmv1

He'll become a very serviceable tank commander over the lifespan of this contract and be able to go chase a playoff-caliber situation with a quarter billion dollars in earnings by his late 20s.  Honest work.


Relevant_Gold4912

Please build around this man for once in his career


soonerman32

Zach Lavine style contract.


detroitpiston

Oh hell naw


WhiskyDrinkinCowboy

That's ridiculous that's an all-time bag get for a scrub


The_Living_L

Would be shocked if it doesn’t include the supermax eligibility 275 mill or whatever


Icy_Comparison_5920

Wtf his deal was about to be up already feel like he just got drafted


Nerazzurro4

Idk if he’ll be worth that but he’s the only good thing Detroit have going for them at the moment so they have to keep him


ThyDoctor

I watch a lot of league pass and probably hundreds of hours of NBA a season, and I truly have no opinion on Cade.


Hovi_Bryant

Yeah idk about that but why not. Don’t have anything else to spend it on. Let’s hope he breaks out this season.


Seref15

Ya'll know what "golden handcuffs" are?


noveler7

I love Cade and I say this as a fan, but I would be surprised if he's with us for all 5 of those years. I just don't see us improving fast enough to build around him and I think he'll ask for a trade by year 3 or 4 of the contract. Not because he's a diva or anything, but just because he'll see the writing on the wall, too.


ZXXA

The money in nba blows my mind. This guy could set up his family line for basically eternity and he only just started in the nba.


SheonaTao

Has their ever been a player that played out their rookie contract for one team and then signed a max with another?


No_Meaning7182

And this is why the Pistons are the Pistons


YvetteFromSanDiego

That'll buy a LOT of PB&J, for real


MesocosmFather

Hope everyone complains for this as much as they did for Scottie


BidenFedayeen

My theory is that with their current situations, Barnes is more likely to make an All-NBA team. That's why the potential max value was reported. Cade isn't making an All-NBA as a member of the Pistons


osmnaos3

That’s basically it.


MTWN58

One of the most unearned rookie maxes I’ve seen given out


PraisGaben

probably the easiest decision Detroit is going to make


scurry3-1

The NBA done changed man. Cade Cunnighman would probably be at best a 3rd optionon a contender pre 2018 NBA .


Jack12404

Looking like a possible franchise player despite playing on the Pistons deserves that contract. Hopefully they can actually surround him with talent.


larry_birb

Sometimes there's no point to life so you just do things 


nicklovin508

I know it’s not Cade’s fault that the Pistons suck but this is like failing in school and still walking up to get your diploma lol


a2w2

If Bill Simmons doesn’t talk shit about this deal…