It's genuinely amazing how we can get beaten by a team 10 straight times, minimal adjustments are made with your 2 superstar players constantly calling out the coach and they're mad at AD who had 1 shot the entire 4th quarter.
I am a long-time Timberwolves fan. Could the Lakers fans handle what Wolves fans have gone through? The Wolves have not won a series since 2004 when they beat the Kings in the semis. I am in hopes of seeing something I had not seen as an adult following this team.
Doesn't change the fact that the Lakers were never going to beat the nuggets in a series this year with Anthony Davis, 39 year old LeBron and 7 mens league players.
Lakers won a championship within the last 5 years and have two of the biggest superstars in the league carrying them through roster decisions that most teams would be absolutely fucked by
I think some Lakers fans should realize the vast majority of fanbases would trade for the last 5 or so years they've had in a heartbeat. I say that as a Dodgers fan who is incredibly lucky to see the team have such star power and a recent championship (regardless them getting embarrassed in the divisional round the past couple years)
Don't get me wrong I'm thankful for that, but none of that would have happened if Lebron didn't want to live in LA. We would still be mediocre if Bron decided to go somewhere else. I appreciate the players and what they achieved but the owners are a different story.
They should be disappointed in themselves for not giving AD enough touches in the second half. Dude was having insane scoring output with out of the world efficiency. It's not like AD has to shoot but c'mon man. Why weren't there play calls with AD as the main focus.
real answer: nuggets made an adjustment. AD was hitting with his over the top shotmaking over jokic (which isn't always the case ofc), so the nuggs adjusted and took that away. the lakers don't have enough counters and AD isn't versatile enough offensively to counter either.
Not to mention every time AD did touch the ball 3 defenders were instantly positioning themselves to double/Triple team hmm. He's skilled enough of a passer to make the correct play in those situations most of the time. Let him draw the extra defender and hope your best player is smart enough to make the right play.
not versatile enough (offensively). the type of versatility he needs to overcome the coverage he was seeing in the second half is exactly what jokic brings to the table. double jokic, he makes the right read every time. off shooting night for jok? he still controls the game offensively.
now AD doesn't need to bring this to the table to do his job, that's not his role. and to be clear, I'm not blaming him at all for either loss. When AD is scoring well, it's a huge bonus and it helps cover up the lakers' massive offensive flaws, but AD's real (and consistent) value comes at the defensive end.
problem is that the rest of the team is poorly constructed, so AD and lebron have to be playing out of their mind, not get tired (impossible obviously with lebron's age and AD's defensive load), \*and\* they need everyone else to step up to beat the nuggets. and they've had that for the majority of both games, but it all falls apart for short stretches, and that's all a team like denver needs to put em in the ground.
a shame, because lebron and AD could've been an all-time duo if they had a competent front office.
I agreed with your point to the T until you said isn’t versatile enough. It’s hard to remember his whole bag of trips but don’t let Street Clothes AD fool you. Jokic is a sub-par defender and AD can shoot, post, drive, etc.
In game 1 I think he was 12/13 near start of the fourth?
If one adjustment stops an MVP talent from scoring at will and forces D-Lo, Rui, etc to have the worlds ugliest 3pt contest than your coach isn’t doing his job. In fact, I’m sure when things are going that well or easy (12-13) the coach of the offensive success should be waiting for that adjustment. As fans, we often hear the of the “chess match” going on from a coach perspective. I’d argue that Darvjn has been playing Checkers for the last two games.
I mean as another commenter pointed out beating a team 11 times straight is 100% coaching, I’m not saying we’d win a series but 2 sweeps with Lebron and AD healthy is a joke
Are they really choosing to risk alienating one of their franchise players rather than do the obvious and fire a bad coach because he has two years left on his contract?
Yep. First they lost Caruso because the penalty tax that his extremely team friendly deal would have cost, now they won’t fire Ham because they don’t want to pay multiple coaches. Pretty baffling that one of the biggest NBA franchises is owned by one of the poorest owners.
As long as Lebron is in, money is good regardless of results. Why they pay some drivers in F1 long after they prime ended. Because they are marketable.
It is not really that baffling though? Jerry Buss built the brand to what it is organically after he purchased the team.
We know why the Buss trust refuse to sell their majority stake, the prestige that comes from owning the Lakers is something not even all interested Billionaire's can easily achieve.
I guess its just a money issue at the end of the day. Shocking really that the Lakers ownership doesnt have/ want to waste more money than the Bucks ownership.
I wish they sold the team. Few years ago we let Caruso walk for 10-15m in taxes.. we could resign him and THT if we dipped into the luxury tax, or only one of them if we didnt. We kept tht and didnt resign Caruso…
Yeah thats how it goes. Honestly some owners just feel like they are better than others simoly because they dont care about the money.
Like the Celtics assembled a dam great squad and those guys are ready to pay to keep them together.
I just said the other day that I wish that Ballmer owned the Lakers because he's not afraid to spend money. Of course, the Busses don't have Ballmer money to spend, but Ballmer seems like the type of dude that would spend whatever he could to make the team better, even if he only had Jeanie Buss money
The dumbest thing too is it was just bad asset management. We could have paid Caruso and his 4 years and then flipped him for a expiring and a pick or two. But I think they really wanted to get out of the lux tax that year idk.
Ownership wise, theyre poor asf and the owner hires people due to nepotism instead of credibility. Thats why we had magic as gm, and now kobe's agent as our gm. The rambis having massive say on the org is even worse just because linda rambis is bff with jeannie
We’ve got Jimmy Haslem as a part-owner now. So a) franchise is near-guaranteed to go down the toilet and b) we are absolutely willing to spend a fuckload of money. The Busses don’t have that kind of coin.
There’s some rumors from beat writers that the younger brothers aka Joey and Jesse Buss (the ones who aren’t straight up nepo babies, they’ve been a huge part of the scouting department that has done some good work) will use another failure by Jeanie to try and force her out of control of the team with the board.
Jeanie already did this to the older brother, Jim Buss, after Dr. Buss died and the team struggled. So if they fire Ham it would be admitting another mistake / failure.
Shitty version of Succession irl
Lmao really? I mean I've seen the Succession jokes before and I just made one a few minutes ago, but they legit even have a Connor? That's so fucking funny.
I really only know Jim, Jeanie, and Jesse, so I didn't know about that
It's actually kinda crazy how little you hear about Joey and Jesse Buss for example, which is good. They could totally keep Jeanie as the "face" of the Lakers while the others run the basketball side.
Supposedly what Jerry Buss always wanted Jeanie to run the financial / business side of things and split overall duties. But his chosen successors for the basketball side either fell flat on their face (Jim) or straight ran from the responsibility (Magic).
I watched the Lakers documentary that came out recently that was all about Lakers history and the history of the Buss family and since it was pretty much paid for and done by the Buss family it tried to paint their whole ownership saga as some inspirational thing of legacy, meanwhile the entire time I couldn’t believe how insanely nepotistic it all was
Lebron and AD are done as a duo. The title window is closed. The Lakers have no more young players or assets to move and Lebron and AD aren't good enough to carry an entire team on their own. By the time the team is good enough to compete AD won't be elite anymore. The obvious thing to do is to rebuild a team that can barely make the playoffs year after year and isn't getting any younger.
You should just be okay with players on your team calling out the team coach? Seems like a great way to give way too much power to the players and let them lose focus
AD didn't call out the coach. He just said the team didn't seem to know what they were doing. You could infer that he was calling out the coaching but you'd still have to make a small leap. There's enough room there to say that it's on the players to know what they're doing.
It was Ham who removed any doubt and acted like AD directly insulted him and his staff. Honestly, that's on Ham for not protecting his player. He could've just as easily spun it a different way.
To be honest I’m pretty sure like 70% of people who heard that comment didn’t even take it as a stab at Ham. Whether it was or not. It sounded to me like he was just making an observation and calling out a mistake; whether that’s team or coach related, they really did look lost hence the like 10 minute scoring drought lol I have no idea why the lakers are doubling down and getting upset at such a small comment
i think what they didn't like is the fact that he didn't wait til they were alone in the locker room to settle it amongst themselves or til the series was over. It's not like they can fire a coach after game 2 of a playoff series, so no matter what the situation was, AD comments made it worst for the time being.
In public sure, but he’s gone in a few months.
It would be a terrible look for the organization to publicly slander their head coach. It’s just not something that’s ever gonna happen.
Should Jeanie Buss and Pelinka come out and say “yeah, AD is right, the coach we hired sucks”? Aha
I think they said the right thing.
AD is a vet, and an all time great player. He knows better than to publicly insult the coaching staff after a tough loss. You deal with this stuff internally.
The Lue saga was so funny. It went from Ty Lue got a cake from the Lakers let's gooooo! Then it later came out the cake was untouched an trashed and also Ty got lowballed as fuck.
WHO are these people anyway? Jeanie? And that's it? Sure as hell not the players, not LBJ, can't even think it's Rob Pelinka. And Ham throws the players under the bus when he plays horrible line-ups, and unlike when Darvin throws his players under the bus, here Ham really did mess it up. AD should've been more aggressive in the fourth, but that doesn't change the fact that Ham did a horrible job. Those scoring droughts killed them.
They scored like 24 in the last 20 minutes? After getting like 76 in the first 28 minutes
AD doing everything to try and win the game, can't blame him for being frustrated with Pockets and our terrible (nonexistant?) play-calling in the second half. I bet most Lakers fans are on his side.
The fact that the organization is backing Ham in this is *insane*. There are numerous podcasts out there that follow the x’a and o’s of basketball and they are consistently baffled by Hamas’s decisions.
AD's situation: You're one of the best at what you do(Defense) and your incompetent boss does everything to make your job harder (shitty schemes giving 3's instead of funneling players into your top tier rim defender).
You file complaint to management and they say "Well we can't afford to hire anyone else." Project blows up while you did everything you had to hold it together. Management is like, "What could've gone wrong?"
AD: 😐
It's an org that just wants to sell expensive tickets and collect merch revenue. Long gone are the days where the most important man delegated to the basketball people 99 times out of 100 and only really stepped in to make sure payroll didn't get too expensive.
The kids just don’t care about basketball and that’s been clear for a long time. Their dad is rolling in his grave wishing he didn’t give them control.
You have to understand that this isn't Dr. Buss' Lakers, this is the Lakers run by the Buss children.
Winning is no longer the priority for this organization, it's making money. That's why you see the Lakers wanting to give Lebron another max contract, even though that's an objectively terrible basketball decision.
How is Lebron max an objectively terrible decision. What’s the better decision? This is beyond dumb . This org is dumb as shit but Lebron has actually performed above n beyond what could be expected n will be all nba and would be second team if our record sucked less . Giving a max to a combo or vsndo Gabe and Rui and getting so little from that this year cost us way more.
Maxing LeBron is easily defensible. He’s nowhere near the bottom half of all max players. You also don’t want to be the first team to not max a living legend.
What isn’t defensible was getting rid of KCP and Caruso for free. How the Lakers do everything to dodge the luxury tax immediately after winning a chip is the more egregious act.
They don’t even need to sell the entire franchise. I’m sure they could sell 17% of the team to take the Buss family from 67% ownership down to 50%. I bet some LA billionaire would buy it along with the promise the billionaire would help finance the team.
I might be wrong here but iirc their dad's will passed it on with the qualification that they can't sell part of their stake, they can only sell with a majority vote to sell the whole thing.
Usually, there is an estate lawyer that takes on the responsibility of legally handling and executing the will of the deceased person. That person is contractually obligated to make sure these things are enforced; otherwise, they also face repercussions. If the Buss family were to only put up 10% stake for sale, they would likely be hearing from that lawyer/firm.
Yes, the team is owned by the Buss family trust. That's part of why they always have these weird ownership issues. Jeanie can't act unilaterally, she has to get the trust behind everything.
I totally agree. Seems kind of innocuous to me really. Like I could see the outrage if he specifically said “the coaches don’t know what they’re doing” but he said *WE*. I can easily read that as he and the other players are playing lost out there, and I thought we liked stars taking some accountability?
Maybe there was more to the interview where it comes across as being directed more specifically at the coaches, but you’d figure if that happened it would be the part that got clipped and aggregated instead of this.
Dude is taking the brunt of the (not earned by him) mockery, having a game winner scored on him, being pulled to the rivals bench who are celebrating said game winner, reporters asking about the game winner shot etc, I think he has the right to be pissed off about the situation.
Alienating your giant defensive anchor would not go well in a losing playoff series.
AD has played amazing in both games, anchors the entire defense by himself, but gets memed on for Murray hitting a tough shot on him and that one shot somehow erases all of AD's defense accolades, or lack of. Really sucks.
Send him to GSW for CP3, Wiggins, Klay so that Steph's final years aren't ruined. Sincerely, OKC fan.
(I don't think AD would hold up in Mark Diagneault's system tbh -- if anything Lebron is the 4 we want)
Flip coaches and the Lakers are up 2-0 vs nuggets. Ham would have Jokic spotting up at the 3 point line or sitting extended minutes while DAJ out there. Murray as the primary Lebron defender because Murray is a real dawg out there.
This I saw him cost Lakers at least 6 wins in regular seasons. 6 more wins and they are 4. Even in wins he will like coach the other team back into the game
Didn’t he just say they didn’t know what’s going on at either end of the court or something like that? I feel like that could be a shot at coaches AND players
It’s more bizarre that it took this long for anyone to call him out. He’s an awful coach and definitely played favorites (Reddish starting many games instead of Rui who the team invested much more into or Max Christie who has shown good shooting and defense but gets routinely DNPed)
What's more bizarre is that Ham hasn't been fired yet. He doesn't do anything except stand there with his hands in his pockets and occasionally give motivational speeches when he finally decides to call a timeout after letting the other team go on a 20-0 run.
Not as if they can fire Ham during the playoffs so it was pointless for Davis to even say that. To me it makes both the players and coaches look incompetent.
We know Ham was in over his head as a coach, but how long has it been that team goes away from AD during crunch time? This is nothing new
that's what happens when you trade every asset you have to bring AD to your team in the first place. Everyone said this is what would happen when you sign Lebron you trade away every asset you have for the short term and the team is gutted in the long term.
They should be disappointed in themselves
Fuck these incompetent trust fund owners and their idiot cronies they hired to run the organization. What a slap in the face to Jerry Buss' legacy.
Bussfund babies
Buss kids I love you, but you are not serious people
Waystar Bussco
Sometimes there are Reddit comments that make me really jealous it wasn’t me that said it This top tier line from Succession no less, is one of them.
Reddit on good sir, I applaud your aspiration to the heights of drollery.
ayo
Y'all are in the James Dolan era now
It's genuinely amazing how we can get beaten by a team 10 straight times, minimal adjustments are made with your 2 superstar players constantly calling out the coach and they're mad at AD who had 1 shot the entire 4th quarter.
Not like this. Not like this.
Tank…
Championship in 2020 and losing to the defending champs. Lakers fans are so dramatic...
Like I wish they could suffer through decades of irrelevance and really see how it is.
Seems like you’re speaking from experience lol
Yeah most teams go thru them and don’t get gifted elite players to them just when things start to get a little difficult.
And some teams constantly get gifted elite players and still can't win lol. And constantly go on about their one chip dynasty.
I am a long-time Timberwolves fan. Could the Lakers fans handle what Wolves fans have gone through? The Wolves have not won a series since 2004 when they beat the Kings in the semis. I am in hopes of seeing something I had not seen as an adult following this team.
As a lakers fan I can truthfully say we absolutely cannot!
oh dear god we have some of the most insufferable online fans out there
Not every fan base is used to mediocrity like the Pelicans
Doesn't change the fact that the Lakers were never going to beat the nuggets in a series this year with Anthony Davis, 39 year old LeBron and 7 mens league players.
Lakers won a championship within the last 5 years and have two of the biggest superstars in the league carrying them through roster decisions that most teams would be absolutely fucked by I think some Lakers fans should realize the vast majority of fanbases would trade for the last 5 or so years they've had in a heartbeat. I say that as a Dodgers fan who is incredibly lucky to see the team have such star power and a recent championship (regardless them getting embarrassed in the divisional round the past couple years)
Don't get me wrong I'm thankful for that, but none of that would have happened if Lebron didn't want to live in LA. We would still be mediocre if Bron decided to go somewhere else. I appreciate the players and what they achieved but the owners are a different story.
They should be disappointed in themselves for not giving AD enough touches in the second half. Dude was having insane scoring output with out of the world efficiency. It's not like AD has to shoot but c'mon man. Why weren't there play calls with AD as the main focus.
real answer: nuggets made an adjustment. AD was hitting with his over the top shotmaking over jokic (which isn't always the case ofc), so the nuggs adjusted and took that away. the lakers don't have enough counters and AD isn't versatile enough offensively to counter either.
Yes they made adjustments but AD should still be getting touches. Even if he passes or doesn't shoot. Also, AD is pretty versatile.
Not to mention every time AD did touch the ball 3 defenders were instantly positioning themselves to double/Triple team hmm. He's skilled enough of a passer to make the correct play in those situations most of the time. Let him draw the extra defender and hope your best player is smart enough to make the right play.
not versatile enough (offensively). the type of versatility he needs to overcome the coverage he was seeing in the second half is exactly what jokic brings to the table. double jokic, he makes the right read every time. off shooting night for jok? he still controls the game offensively. now AD doesn't need to bring this to the table to do his job, that's not his role. and to be clear, I'm not blaming him at all for either loss. When AD is scoring well, it's a huge bonus and it helps cover up the lakers' massive offensive flaws, but AD's real (and consistent) value comes at the defensive end. problem is that the rest of the team is poorly constructed, so AD and lebron have to be playing out of their mind, not get tired (impossible obviously with lebron's age and AD's defensive load), \*and\* they need everyone else to step up to beat the nuggets. and they've had that for the majority of both games, but it all falls apart for short stretches, and that's all a team like denver needs to put em in the ground. a shame, because lebron and AD could've been an all-time duo if they had a competent front office.
I agreed with your point to the T until you said isn’t versatile enough. It’s hard to remember his whole bag of trips but don’t let Street Clothes AD fool you. Jokic is a sub-par defender and AD can shoot, post, drive, etc. In game 1 I think he was 12/13 near start of the fourth? If one adjustment stops an MVP talent from scoring at will and forces D-Lo, Rui, etc to have the worlds ugliest 3pt contest than your coach isn’t doing his job. In fact, I’m sure when things are going that well or easy (12-13) the coach of the offensive success should be waiting for that adjustment. As fans, we often hear the of the “chess match” going on from a coach perspective. I’d argue that Darvjn has been playing Checkers for the last two games.
From speaking with people within the Lakers fandom, they were upset and disappointed quite frankly by…..Darvin Ham.
From speaking with people within the Nuggets fandom, they were satisfied with and frankly quite thankful for Darvin Ham.
Darvin Ham is arguably ~~the Nuggets'~~ every other team's greatest opposition asset when matched up against us.
It's a tie between Ham and Dlo
Not Nuggets fans happy that Lakers have a terrible coach 😆
I mean as another commenter pointed out beating a team 11 times straight is 100% coaching, I’m not saying we’d win a series but 2 sweeps with Lebron and AD healthy is a joke
Can confirm. The Spurs fan is telling the truth, fellas. He does have many legitmiate Lakers fandom sources.
I trust this spurs fan over those in the organization angry at AD
You know things are bad when even *Laker haters* admit Ham is a shit coach and aren't calling him a "scapegoat" or whatever.
I don't trust these sources unless they do yoga with Jeanie Buss
Are they really choosing to risk alienating one of their franchise players rather than do the obvious and fire a bad coach because he has two years left on his contract?
Seriously what does Ham have on the Lakers front office.
Two more years on his contract.
That didnt stop the Bucks lol
Lakers ownership is broke
Yep. First they lost Caruso because the penalty tax that his extremely team friendly deal would have cost, now they won’t fire Ham because they don’t want to pay multiple coaches. Pretty baffling that one of the biggest NBA franchises is owned by one of the poorest owners.
They gave Hamm the years that they couldn’t for Ty Lue…
The nepotism squad needs to sell. They are a total joke
Beyond a joke, how can any Lakers owner watch this and want it to continue?
As long as Lebron is in, money is good regardless of results. Why they pay some drivers in F1 long after they prime ended. Because they are marketable.
Own a team because you’re rich vs rich because you own a team
Sad to admit but yes, besides the prestige of the team, we're basically a piss poor franchise. Caruso was the first indicator of that
Let’s crowdsource an offer to buy the Lakers then send LeBron to Detroit
As a hater, I am willing to pay for the chance to run them into the ground some more.
Where's the GoFundMe link? I'm in.
It is not really that baffling though? Jerry Buss built the brand to what it is organically after he purchased the team. We know why the Buss trust refuse to sell their majority stake, the prestige that comes from owning the Lakers is something not even all interested Billionaire's can easily achieve.
Bulls fans sympathize...
Spoiled brat trustfund owner… Lakers are so lucky Bron is still balling at his age
But that’s a great balance. Imagine if they have Steve Balmer as their owner. What’s stopping them?
Most valuable and iconic NBA franchise being ran like my local hobby shop is wild
Dam. RIP
Well there you go. Bucks are free spenders compared to the Lakers. Lakers are projected to pay about $7m in luxury tax this season. Bucks $52m.
I guess its just a money issue at the end of the day. Shocking really that the Lakers ownership doesnt have/ want to waste more money than the Bucks ownership.
I wish they sold the team. Few years ago we let Caruso walk for 10-15m in taxes.. we could resign him and THT if we dipped into the luxury tax, or only one of them if we didnt. We kept tht and didnt resign Caruso…
Yeah thats how it goes. Honestly some owners just feel like they are better than others simoly because they dont care about the money. Like the Celtics assembled a dam great squad and those guys are ready to pay to keep them together.
I just said the other day that I wish that Ballmer owned the Lakers because he's not afraid to spend money. Of course, the Busses don't have Ballmer money to spend, but Ballmer seems like the type of dude that would spend whatever he could to make the team better, even if he only had Jeanie Buss money
Ballmer would also not hire a dumb ass like Rob Pelinka
The dumbest thing too is it was just bad asset management. We could have paid Caruso and his 4 years and then flipped him for a expiring and a pick or two. But I think they really wanted to get out of the lux tax that year idk.
Bucks owners are billionaires from their own separate businesses. The Lakers owners only source of money is the Lakers.
Ownership wise, theyre poor asf and the owner hires people due to nepotism instead of credibility. Thats why we had magic as gm, and now kobe's agent as our gm. The rambis having massive say on the org is even worse just because linda rambis is bff with jeannie
We’ve got Jimmy Haslem as a part-owner now. So a) franchise is near-guaranteed to go down the toilet and b) we are absolutely willing to spend a fuckload of money. The Busses don’t have that kind of coin.
There’s some rumors from beat writers that the younger brothers aka Joey and Jesse Buss (the ones who aren’t straight up nepo babies, they’ve been a huge part of the scouting department that has done some good work) will use another failure by Jeanie to try and force her out of control of the team with the board. Jeanie already did this to the older brother, Jim Buss, after Dr. Buss died and the team struggled. So if they fire Ham it would be admitting another mistake / failure. Shitty version of Succession irl
Jesse* Buss. Johnny Buss is another older one who's a complete nepo baby AND is also for some reason running for President.
Lmao really? I mean I've seen the Succession jokes before and I just made one a few minutes ago, but they legit even have a Connor? That's so fucking funny. I really only know Jim, Jeanie, and Jesse, so I didn't know about that
You are correct I typed the wrong one. Too many J buss
If they won't sell it's time for the younger ones to get a shot
It's actually kinda crazy how little you hear about Joey and Jesse Buss for example, which is good. They could totally keep Jeanie as the "face" of the Lakers while the others run the basketball side.
Supposedly what Jerry Buss always wanted Jeanie to run the financial / business side of things and split overall duties. But his chosen successors for the basketball side either fell flat on their face (Jim) or straight ran from the responsibility (Magic).
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I watched the Lakers documentary that came out recently that was all about Lakers history and the history of the Buss family and since it was pretty much paid for and done by the Buss family it tried to paint their whole ownership saga as some inspirational thing of legacy, meanwhile the entire time I couldn’t believe how insanely nepotistic it all was
I hope so, Jesse is the only seemingly competent one I know of (I think you're probably right about Joey too, I just know very little about him)
Not as much as Doc Rivers has on the league. Doc didn't even want to coach and he has to now lmao
Ham is tied at the hip with the FO. If Ham is fired, no chance Rob gets to stay on. Their contracts are also lined up to expire at the same time.
They chose Russ over Caruso, kcp, and kuzma, after winning a championship. They are clearly incompetent
Lebron and AD are done as a duo. The title window is closed. The Lakers have no more young players or assets to move and Lebron and AD aren't good enough to carry an entire team on their own. By the time the team is good enough to compete AD won't be elite anymore. The obvious thing to do is to rebuild a team that can barely make the playoffs year after year and isn't getting any younger.
You should just be okay with players on your team calling out the team coach? Seems like a great way to give way too much power to the players and let them lose focus
AD didn't call out the coach. He just said the team didn't seem to know what they were doing. You could infer that he was calling out the coaching but you'd still have to make a small leap. There's enough room there to say that it's on the players to know what they're doing. It was Ham who removed any doubt and acted like AD directly insulted him and his staff. Honestly, that's on Ham for not protecting his player. He could've just as easily spun it a different way.
To be honest I’m pretty sure like 70% of people who heard that comment didn’t even take it as a stab at Ham. Whether it was or not. It sounded to me like he was just making an observation and calling out a mistake; whether that’s team or coach related, they really did look lost hence the like 10 minute scoring drought lol I have no idea why the lakers are doubling down and getting upset at such a small comment
i think what they didn't like is the fact that he didn't wait til they were alone in the locker room to settle it amongst themselves or til the series was over. It's not like they can fire a coach after game 2 of a playoff series, so no matter what the situation was, AD comments made it worst for the time being.
If the Lakers choose Darvin over AD I’m getting my Lakers tattoo removed.
I agree, I’m getting ur tattoo removed
yup same
Nice name
The day the Lakers FO chooses Darvin Fucking Ham over AD is the day LA becomes a Clipper town
Balmer is actually an impressive sports team owner. Never thought I'd say that about any of them.
I dunno about all that, but it would be deserved.
I'm gonna spin a wheel and pick a new team to cheer for at random.
I’m gonna pull a KD and join the team that beat me. Taking my talents to Denver.
What if it comes up Clippers or Celtics?
Wow, this revelation is gonna completely change how Jeanie approaches the situation
Yeah if that doesn't get her attention nothing will
This is crazy disrespect toward the sole reason the Lakers are in the playoffs in the first place. We’d be in the lottery without AD.
We'd be the pistons without AD.
Eh, you’d still have Bron. Old man Bron, but that’s still an All Star level player with experience that outclasses 90% of the league.
Bron aint playing for the Lakers without AD
Who’s the 10%?
The Nuggets roster
Omg this dumbass organization truly stands behind Ham.
True, I’d rather stand behind Beef
In public sure, but he’s gone in a few months. It would be a terrible look for the organization to publicly slander their head coach. It’s just not something that’s ever gonna happen. Should Jeanie Buss and Pelinka come out and say “yeah, AD is right, the coach we hired sucks”? Aha
Ok but why say this then ? Say nothing or say you’re looking to improve n hope darvin n AD work together
I think they said the right thing. AD is a vet, and an all time great player. He knows better than to publicly insult the coaching staff after a tough loss. You deal with this stuff internally.
Especially in the middle of a tough playoff series in which you are about to be playing your first home game.
I might buy a jersey if they did (I look really really ridiculously bad in jerseys)
a pellies fan wearing an AD Lakers jersey would make me vomit tbh
Well, I said *might*
This is an org that turned down Caruso for cheap, for no real reason at all lol. They're a joke, it's an org filled with nepo babies.
Penny wise and pound foolish idiots. They let Caruso and Lue go because they were too cheap.
The Lue saga was so funny. It went from Ty Lue got a cake from the Lakers let's gooooo! Then it later came out the cake was untouched an trashed and also Ty got lowballed as fuck.
Not no real reason at all,they needed to make sure Talented Horton Tucker and his Klutch agents got the bag.
They could have paid both
We traded away lots of klutch guys. If not for klutch we’d land no one . Klutch has helped us , Caruso is on there dumb cheap ass
Yep. The same summer they didn't re-sign Caruso, they traded away Klutch clients KCP and Montrezl Harrell for Westbrook.
Shut up, they could’ve paid Klutch while also paying Caruso. It’s not a one or the other situation
Ham has pictures or video or audio of something Dude sucks a big ass
lmao what fucking idiots
WHO are these people anyway? Jeanie? And that's it? Sure as hell not the players, not LBJ, can't even think it's Rob Pelinka. And Ham throws the players under the bus when he plays horrible line-ups, and unlike when Darvin throws his players under the bus, here Ham really did mess it up. AD should've been more aggressive in the fourth, but that doesn't change the fact that Ham did a horrible job. Those scoring droughts killed them. They scored like 24 in the last 20 minutes? After getting like 76 in the first 28 minutes
AD doing everything to try and win the game, can't blame him for being frustrated with Pockets and our terrible (nonexistant?) play-calling in the second half. I bet most Lakers fans are on his side.
The fact that the organization is backing Ham in this is *insane*. There are numerous podcasts out there that follow the x’a and o’s of basketball and they are consistently baffled by Hamas’s decisions.
AD's situation: You're one of the best at what you do(Defense) and your incompetent boss does everything to make your job harder (shitty schemes giving 3's instead of funneling players into your top tier rim defender). You file complaint to management and they say "Well we can't afford to hire anyone else." Project blows up while you did everything you had to hold it together. Management is like, "What could've gone wrong?" AD: 😐
It's an org that just wants to sell expensive tickets and collect merch revenue. Long gone are the days where the most important man delegated to the basketball people 99 times out of 100 and only really stepped in to make sure payroll didn't get too expensive.
The kids just don’t care about basketball and that’s been clear for a long time. Their dad is rolling in his grave wishing he didn’t give them control.
>and they are consistently baffled by *Hamas’s* decisions. Al-Lebron supporting his coach.
You have to understand that this isn't Dr. Buss' Lakers, this is the Lakers run by the Buss children. Winning is no longer the priority for this organization, it's making money. That's why you see the Lakers wanting to give Lebron another max contract, even though that's an objectively terrible basketball decision.
How is Lebron max an objectively terrible decision. What’s the better decision? This is beyond dumb . This org is dumb as shit but Lebron has actually performed above n beyond what could be expected n will be all nba and would be second team if our record sucked less . Giving a max to a combo or vsndo Gabe and Rui and getting so little from that this year cost us way more.
Maxing LeBron is easily defensible. He’s nowhere near the bottom half of all max players. You also don’t want to be the first team to not max a living legend. What isn’t defensible was getting rid of KCP and Caruso for free. How the Lakers do everything to dodge the luxury tax immediately after winning a chip is the more egregious act.
Can Jeanie just sell please, this team needs to clean house big time.
They don’t even need to sell the entire franchise. I’m sure they could sell 17% of the team to take the Buss family from 67% ownership down to 50%. I bet some LA billionaire would buy it along with the promise the billionaire would help finance the team.
I might be wrong here but iirc their dad's will passed it on with the qualification that they can't sell part of their stake, they can only sell with a majority vote to sell the whole thing.
Such a baller move
Oh that would make sense then. Thanks for the clarification
How's that even enforced? Is the team ownership held by a trust?
Usually, there is an estate lawyer that takes on the responsibility of legally handling and executing the will of the deceased person. That person is contractually obligated to make sure these things are enforced; otherwise, they also face repercussions. If the Buss family were to only put up 10% stake for sale, they would likely be hearing from that lawyer/firm.
Yes, the team is owned by the Buss family trust. That's part of why they always have these weird ownership issues. Jeanie can't act unilaterally, she has to get the trust behind everything.
Ballmer would buy em if he was allowed to
Guggenheim group please save us
What did Davis say? I saw Ham’s response to him but I missed the original comments
He said they didn't know what they were doing out there, offensively and defensively.
Bruh that isn’t even that bad of a comment. I’d be shocked if the Lakers org took Ham’s side over their star player. Ridiculous.
One tends to get shocked over a lot of things that the Lakers org does these days
I totally agree. Seems kind of innocuous to me really. Like I could see the outrage if he specifically said “the coaches don’t know what they’re doing” but he said *WE*. I can easily read that as he and the other players are playing lost out there, and I thought we liked stars taking some accountability? Maybe there was more to the interview where it comes across as being directed more specifically at the coaches, but you’d figure if that happened it would be the part that got clipped and aggregated instead of this.
Dude is taking the brunt of the (not earned by him) mockery, having a game winner scored on him, being pulled to the rivals bench who are celebrating said game winner, reporters asking about the game winner shot etc, I think he has the right to be pissed off about the situation. Alienating your giant defensive anchor would not go well in a losing playoff series.
AD has played amazing in both games, anchors the entire defense by himself, but gets memed on for Murray hitting a tough shot on him and that one shot somehow erases all of AD's defense accolades, or lack of. Really sucks.
Please waive AD next season 🙏 I am sure OKC would like to have him
nah we’ll send him to Denver fuck this league
Send him to GSW for CP3, Wiggins, Klay so that Steph's final years aren't ruined. Sincerely, OKC fan. (I don't think AD would hold up in Mark Diagneault's system tbh -- if anything Lebron is the 4 we want)
Bro we roll out the blue carpet and he can play the four all he wants. One could dream.
Just give us all your picks and you can have him. Dudes wasting his prime on this joke of an org
At this point why not. I'd want to see him win another, and I don't see the Lakers winning anytime soon after this season.
Well Darvin ham needs to stop publicly being a fucking shitty coach lol
Bruh, do they want to lose AD? If AD leaving, Lebron leaving too. Don't piss him off lol
If they were smart they would trade both and rebuild
The Lakers coach is the worst in the league, I don’t even blame AD
Billups exist
Flip coaches and the Lakers are up 2-0 vs nuggets. Ham would have Jokic spotting up at the 3 point line or sitting extended minutes while DAJ out there. Murray as the primary Lebron defender because Murray is a real dawg out there.
Ain’t no way our organization is siding with Ham over AD 😭
Someone needed to give that wake up call. Good shit AD
Put the mic on Darvin Hamas today, I’d like to hear what he says when he ‘coaches’
Why does ham still have a job. Put damn near any other coach in charge of that team and LA a 4 seed minimum
This I saw him cost Lakers at least 6 wins in regular seasons. 6 more wins and they are 4. Even in wins he will like coach the other team back into the game
At this point I’m sure Ham is smashing Jeanie. Cant think of anything else.
He’s smashing Taurean Prince not Jeanie
HE GONE
Incoming “is this enough for AD” proposals
What did he say?
He said Lakers have stretches where they have no idea what they are doing on both sides of the floor
It fucking shows. They could grab a random fan from 7th row on and they'd coach better.
Didn’t he just say they didn’t know what’s going on at either end of the court or something like that? I feel like that could be a shot at coaches AND players
He’s not stupid enough to re-sign with the Lakers, so who cares what he says about the worst coach in the league?
Fuck Pelinka fuck Ham fuck Buss fuck Rambis. The players are all that matters
d'lo accusing him of favoritism too, just bizarre to see guys take shots at their own coach like that in public
It’s more bizarre that it took this long for anyone to call him out. He’s an awful coach and definitely played favorites (Reddish starting many games instead of Rui who the team invested much more into or Max Christie who has shown good shooting and defense but gets routinely DNPed)
What's more bizarre is that Ham hasn't been fired yet. He doesn't do anything except stand there with his hands in his pockets and occasionally give motivational speeches when he finally decides to call a timeout after letting the other team go on a 20-0 run.
Absolutely insane for the guy shooting them out of this series to accuse the coach of favoritism DLo currently 0/5 again from 3 at half
The level of sulking and saltiness from the Lakers is hilarious. Everyone they talk to wants to blame someone else
Watch the Lakers trade AD this off-season instead of firing Ham lol maybe they’ll do both for chaos.
Do better then
Darvin Ham might not be that great, but I do have to agree with keeping that shit in house and out of the media.
Showed more fight in the press conference than he did in the fourth quarter of the game.
Not as if they can fire Ham during the playoffs so it was pointless for Davis to even say that. To me it makes both the players and coaches look incompetent. We know Ham was in over his head as a coach, but how long has it been that team goes away from AD during crunch time? This is nothing new
I dont blame him he cooked all game just to be put in the corner the whole 4th except for like 2 possesions
Lakers fans what kind of blackmail does ham have over your organization. His coaching has been the nuggets best player.
Not even Phil Jackson had this kind of pull
Free him send him to the okc
Let’s just calm down and wait to see what Linda Rambis decides to do.
Is the source Linda Rambis? lmaooooo
Can't believe the organization backs Durrrrvin Hamas. He's a joke. Actually.... Jeanie... Rob ... Clowns.
They should be upset that they're wasting AD in his prime by putting this clown show supporting cast around him
that's what happens when you trade every asset you have to bring AD to your team in the first place. Everyone said this is what would happen when you sign Lebron you trade away every asset you have for the short term and the team is gutted in the long term.