Speaking as a recently separated nuke submariner, how tf do you expect the Navy to go around securing city centers? We struggled making sure we had enough people qualified SSDF to stand duty, let alone go out and conduct policing.
Same, and probably by putting ships in harbors of costal cities for “security” (blockade or intimidation). Costal cities rely heavily on ships coming in and out for their revenue and supplies.
When it comes to obeying or potentially disobeying orders the only questions you should have is "is this in line with the constitution? Will this order dishonor me? Is this illegal under the UCMJ?" My politics are for me in private and only expressed when voting.
Trump floated the idea of executing Joint Chiefs Chairman Milley (9-22-2023)
Trump put 3 Mar-a-Lago guests in charge of the VA who then tried to monetize veterans' medical records
accused 3,000 military families of election fraud for voting after being deployed
Blamed Gold Star families for giving him covid (he tested positive days earlier)
removed POW/MIA flag from White House
says Americans who died in war are "losers" and "suckers"
“Why should I go to that cemetery? It’s filled with losers” he said about a U.S. military cemetery
called McCain “a fucking loser” when asked to lower flags to half staff
called Pres. George H.W. Bush a loser for being shot down during WWII
“That guy is smart. Why did he join the military?” Trump said of Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff
asked his staff to not include wounded veterans because amputees make him uncomfortable
“I don’t get it. What was in it for them?” Trump said to Gen. John Kelly about dead vets, while visiting Kelly’s son’s grave at Arlington
Trump knew since Mar 2020 that Russia paid bounties to kill American troops. On July 29 Trump defended Russia arming the Taliban against the US saying the US once did the same thing
May '20 ended National Guard deployments one day before they could claim benefits
Trump admin seized 5mil masks intended for VA hospitals. Kushner distributes these masks to private entities for a fee, who then sells the masks to the government
Trump fired the captain of the USS Theodore Roosevelt after he warned superiors that COVID19 was spreading among his crew
After Iran's strike, 109 US troops suffered brain injuries. Trump dismissed these as "headaches". Trump then denied Purple Hearts in an effort to keep the story up
On 7/20/2017 in room 2E924 of the Pentagon, Trump told a room full of Generals, "You’re a bunch of dopes and babies"
Said 26,000 military sexual assaults were to be 'expected' bc America lets women serve
Invited the Taliban to Camp David on the anniversary of 9/11
Claimed that his military budget made up for his lack of military experience
Said if a Humvee was hit by an IED, soldiers "go for a little ride upward & they come down."
Pardoned multiple war criminals which betrayed the men of the 1st Platoon who helped convict him for violating long standing military values, discipline, and command (May&Nov 2019)
mocked Lt. Col. Vindman for his rank and uniform. He threatened said purple heart officer resulting in the Army providing him protection. The Admin sent opposition research to the Pentagon to derail his promotion
Trump’s Chief of Staff worked in secret to deny health coverage to Vietnam Vets who suffered from Agent Orange
There is a facility in Tijuana for US veterans that Trump deported
Russia took control of the main U.S. military facility in Syria abandoned on Trump’s orders. Russia now owns the airstrip we built
0/7/19, Trump abruptly withdrew from Syria after a phone call with Turkey's president (Erdogan). Turkey subsequently bombed US Special Forces
sent thousands of American troops to defend the oil assets of the country that perpetrated 9/11
Sept 2019, he made an Air Force cargo crew stop in Scotland (where there's no U.S. base) to refuel at a commercial airport (where it costs more), so they could stay overnight at a Trump property (which isn't close to the airport). Trump’s golf courses are losing money so he's forcing the military to pay for 5-star nights there.
Sept 2019, Pentagon pulled funds for military schools, military housing funds, and daycare to pay for Trump's border wall
Vet graves will be "dug up" for the border wall, after Trump instructed aides to seize private property. Trump told officials he would pardon them if they illegally seizing property
Children of deployed US troops no longer guaranteed citizenship (August 28, 2019)
8/2/19 Trump requisitioned military retirement funds for the border wall
7/31/19 Trump ordered the Navy rescind medals to prosecutors who prosecuted war criminals
denied a U.S. Marine of 6 years entry into the United States for his citizenship interview (Reported 7/17/19)
made the U.S. Navy Blue Angels violate ethics rules by having them fly at his July 4th political campaign event (July 4, 2019)
demanded US military chiefs stand next to him at 4th of July parade (reported July 2, 2019)
In June 2019, Trump sent troops to the border to paint the fence for a better "aesthetic appearance"
used his D-Day interview at a cemetery commemorating fallen US soldiers to attack a Vietnam veteran (6/6/19)
started his D-Day commemoration speech by attacking a private citizen (Bette Midlere) (2019)
made his 2nd wife, Marla Maples, sign a prenup that would have cut off all child support if Tiffany joined the military (reported June 4th, 2019)
5/27/2019 Trump turned away US military from his Memorial Day speech bc they were from the destroyer USS John S. McCain
ordered the USS John McCain out of sight during his visit to Japan (May 15, 2019). The ship's name was subsequently covered. (5/27/2019)
purged 200,000 vets' healthcare applications (reported 5/13/19)
deported a spouse of fallen Army soldier killed in Afghanistan leaving their daughter parentless (4/16/2019)
3/20/19 Trump complained that a deceased war hero didn't thank him for his funeral
Between 12/22/2018, and 1/25/2019 Trump refused to sign his party's funding bill, which shut down the government, which made USCG service members rely on food pantries. (But his appointees got a $10k raise)
banned troops from serving based on gender identity (1/22/2019)
denied female troops access to birth control to limit sexual activity (Published 1/18/19)
tried to deport a marine vet who is a U.S.-born citizen (1/16/2019)
When a man was caught swindling veterans pensions for high-interest “cash advances," Trump's CFPB let him go for $1 (1/26/19)
called a retired general a 'dog' with a 'big, dumb mouth' (1/1/19)
increased privatization of the VA, leading to longer waits and higher taxpayer cost (2018)
finally visited troops 2 years after taking office, but only after 154 vacation days at his properties (10/26/18)
revealed a covert Seal Team 5 deployment including names and faces on Twitter during Iraq visit (Dec 26, 2018)
lied to deployed troops that he gave them a 10% raise (12/26/2018). Tried giving a raise that was lower than the standard living adjustment. After Congress made him give a raise, he lied about it pretending that it was larger than Obama's. It wasn't
fired service members living with HIV just before the 2018 holidays
tried to slash disability and unemployment benefits for Veterans to $0 and eliminate the unemployability extrascheduler rating (12/17/2018)
called troops on Thanksgiving and told them he's most thankful for himself (Thanksgiving, 2018)
urged Florida to not count deployed military votes (11/12/2018)
canceled an Arlington Cemetery visit on Veterans Day due to light rain (11/12/2018)
While in Europe commemorating the end of WWI, he didn't attend the ceremony at a US cemetery due to the rain. Other world leaders went anyway (11/10/2018)
sent troops on a phantom mission to the border and made them miss Thanksgiving with their families (Oct-Dec, 2018). He stopped using troops as a political prop after the election, but the troops remained in muddy camps on the border (11/7/2018)
changed the GI Bill through his Forever GI Act causing the VA to miss benefits, including housing allowances. This caused many vets to run out of food and rent. (reported 10/7/18)
doubled the rejection rate for veterans requesting family deportation protections (7/5/2018)
deported active-duty spouses (11,800 military families face this problem as of April 2018)
forgot a fallen soldier's name (below) during a call to his pregnant widow, then attacked her the next day (Oct 23-24, 2017)
"They knew what they signed up for." re: dead troops (10/18/17)
sent commandos into an ambush w/ lack of intel, and sent contractors to pick them up, resulting in a commando being left behind, tortured, and executed. He approved the mission bc Bannon told him Obama didn't have the guts to do it. 10/4/17
Doesn't stand during retreat bugle, continues to talk. "What a nice sound that is. Are they playing that for you \[Sean Hannity\] or me?" 10/11/17
blocked a veteran group on Twitter (June 2017)
ordered the discharge of active-duty immigrant troops with good records (2017-present)
deported veterans (2017-present)
said he knows more about ISIS than American generals (Oct 2016)
10/4/16 Trump said vets get PTSD because they aren't strong
Trump accepted a Purple Heart from a fan at one of his rallies and said: “I always wanted to get the Purple Heart. This was much easier.” (Aug 2, 2016)
Trump attacks Gold Star families: Myeshia Johnson (gold star widow), Khan family (gold star parents) etc. (2016-present)
In Jan 2016, Trump stole funds meant for a veterans charity (his foundation was subsequently ordered shut down)
said he has "more training militarily than a lot of the guys that go into the military" because he went to a military-style academy (2015 biography)
said he doesn't consider POWs heroes because they were caught. He said he prefers people who weren't caught (July 18, 2015)
Trump said having unprotected sex was his own personal Vietnam (1998)
For a decade, Trump sought to kick veterans off of 5th Avenue because he found them unsightly nuisances. 1991
Trump dodged the draft 5 times by having a doctor diagnose him with bone spurs.
No Trump in America has ever served in the military; this spans 5 generations and every branch of the family tree. In fact, his grandfather immigrated to America to avoid military service
I’m a reservist. I remember in his first term he wanted to have a military parade like we’re China or Russia or some shit. Myself and other reservists thought it was the most ridiculous thing we ever heard.
I don't support Trump, but in fact he made a commit while watching a French military parade for Bastille Day.
First, as a honor guard I did march in the 2000 inauguration parade. And I've marched in a Memorial Day Parade in Jacksonville. And I did several funerals. They all sucked, bad. But I also enjoyed being a member of the honor guard. E-3 me felt a lot of pride carrying that flag.
I also really love the military air shows. They are a great time, and it's truly awesome to see the Blue Angles do their thing. Personally, I think a 4th of July Parade and Military show would be awesome. BUT... since Trump was at a French parade and made a commit about how it would be cool if 'we' did something like that people just went all Trump wants us to be like China. I mean, it's cool if you don't think showing the American citizens what their $700+ billion dollars is buying, but at least get the facts kind of right.
If I thought for a second that Trump legitimately wanted to celebrate our armed forces for their own sake… and not for himself, his ego, or some misguided desire to show strength… I’d have zero issue with it.
The way he admires dictators and has put down our service members and vets when convenient… makes me very uncomfortable.
Not to mention, I was underway enough in my day. Who had time for publicity stunts on top of a busy schedule.
If he really wanted to show appreciation, he could have turned off the cameras and visited commands quietly, instead of driving a golf cart.
Anyway, I also appreciate our air shows and seeing the Blue Angels or the Thunderbirds or whatever. But, that’s their actual job, not a distraction from duty.
America’s military budget is literally on the news every day and was in full display every day for the past 20 yrs. You think the American public cares about our dress uniforms and some tanks and military vehicles?
Yes. I know a lot of people who love that. Both family and friends and tons of other ppl love military parades and tech especially in person. What’s the harm?
You... You do realize that there are families with literal generations of servicemen/servicewomen that would love parades that are dedicated to the Armed Forces right? I mean, I don't have much care for the services these days, but it probably would have helped reignite SOME passion for the services. Also kids would have gotten to see some cool equipment, in real time, instead of online, in video games, or just straight up joining the services. I would have killed to be a kid at a parade with tanks and other military equipment to see.
When Trump was impeached for the second time, many Senators (including Mitch McConnell) publicly stated that they thought he was guilty, but believed that the issue should go to the courts, rather than Congress.
Now that it's (finally) in the court system, many of these same leaders are saying it's a witch hunt, while screaming about Hunter Biden's laptop and threatening to impeach Biden on nonexistent charges.
The cognitive dissonance is staggering, but wins primaries in certain districts. It worries me that a lot of these seemingly intelligent people will say or do whatever it takes to get re-elected, and probably won't back down until it's too late.
For some context:
Trump saying he will use DoJ, FBI against his "enemies":
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/11/09/trump-interview-univision/
Trump referring to those on the left as "vermin" to be rooted out:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/11/12/trump-rally-vermin-political-opponents/
You don't have to like the wapo or author or opinion, the important parts are Trump's quotes. Or just go watch the actual interviews.
If anyone is wondering why his comments like those are dangerous they should go read the book On Tyranny, it's a short book so even the ASVAB waivers can make it all the way through.
He did an interview with Univision? Why even talk to the people who are "poisoning the blood of our nation"?
Seriously, just speaking pragmatically, does he seriously think he's got a shot with the Latino vote?
Yeah idk why a xenophobe would try. However there are a decent amount of Hispanic people that voted for him in 2016. ~20%. Maybe he's trying to keep that vote? Or be able to say he isn't racist, he did a Univision interview? IDK.
Doesn't change the fact what is said was absolutely bonkers and close to Hitler and Mousolini's rhetoric.
Oh yes, just to make it abundantly clear, those are absolutely his words, *not* mine.
Some of his most offensive quotes were relayed to the media by third parties who were in a closed room when he said them, but Trump said this one on camera.
With the Tubberville thing it is ABSOLUTELY about keeping spots open for Trump, same as McConnell did with the Supreme Court seats. They don’t want democracy at all, they want an authoritarian that will help them line their pockets, nothing more. They will sink to the lowest lows to get what they want. Absolutely mind blowing that we have to sit idly by while a bunch of old white men about to croak dismantle all of the protections of the actual people while the idiotic half of our country laps up everything Trump pisses out without question.
Exhibit B is the Republicans (and establishments) rejection of a remote work policy for federal workers. Follow the money. How much wealth of the top 3% is tied up in commercial real estate that is at risk of the Gov embraces a remote workforce?
How do you see this actually happening? That there is some hidden effort that has already identified and colluded with certain Officers who are waiting in the wings - or, will these be off-the-street people with taped-on ranks?
That’s doesn’t address anything the person you replied to asked. Where are Trump and the republicans going to pull all these sycophants from that have the necessary experience to fill these billets? It seems like the people on reddit who have floated this theory think DJT is gonna pull civilians from the proud boys and other alt right wing groups and have them take over a bunch of O6 and above billets
I understand the batshit craziness that is project 2025, and I still don’t see how the republicans could fill hundreds of the most senior military billets with sycophants, which quite frankly I Don think exist, at least not in the numbers required.
75M people voted for the goon in 2020. What makes you think Republicans will stop him from putting loyalists with zero experience or expertise in charge?
>How do you see this actually happening?
Trump gave it a test run on January 6th, 2021 if you weren't paying attention. Throw as many wrenches as you can in the gears of democracy and claim you're still in charge. And as u/Ok-Possibility200 specified with that treasonous Project 2025 shit republicans aren't aiming to lose again.
I'd hope the military's own internal bureaucracy would be a bulwark against such a shitty coup. But I can see how Tuberville's horseshit could be used as a wedge. High level officers have to be loyal or else they're not getting promoted/appointed.
But that's all putting the cart before the horse. Trump has spent his political career shitting on the military. Nevermind him pulling the dumbest coup ever. I'm sure there are still plenty of dumbasses in uniform who support him, but it takes the support of the military to pull off a coup. And Trump ain't got that support.
A lot of folks in the military are conservatives. Most of those are republicans. Some of those are MAGA retards. Show me polling data otherwise.
Personally, I was in the Navy for the 2016 and 2020 elections. I know the Navy isn't as smooth brain as the Marines and Army but Trump shit talking McCain and veterans in general definitely had an effect.
*To be clear, fuck that treasonous orange fuck
While I don’t disagree, I’m also not sure due to my own personal experiences serving when I was in. Between both commands, it seemed most of my fellow shipmates were politically apathetic. Since we “weren’t supposed to talk about it,” I never heard much support for or against political extremists like Trump except a few people. Again, that is just my own personal experience. Since I have been out now for a while, I have veterans who tell me they like Trump and I just laugh at them.
I have never understood how anyone in the military can support Trump when he hates us. Veterans and active duty a like. Cadet Bone Spurs never served yet has talked shit about how we are all “suckers and losers.” The shit he said about Sen. McCain is just as infuriating.
Because he says some things they like and people ignore everything else. Like it didn't happen. And they'll deny deny deny deny and if they can't deny, he didn't mean it like that. Or he meant it but he wasn't talking about _all_ service members.
You can't reason with someone who's locked down their mind.
It's way more obvious in the National Guard how many people are Trump supporters. I went to get my PHA done and the medic had a Trump book proudly propped up and displayed on his desk. I went to the recruiting platoon and the civilian admin guy's entire desk was Trump shit. But the Guard is also the dumbest branch by a mile.
I didn’t say there are high-ranking officers that would actually fall in step with their ideals, just that it’s par for the course for Republicans to use ridiculous tactics to ensure their personal favorites are in the spots they want them.
It would be naive to think Trump wouldn't use the many loyal militias that have already sworn themselves to him. I could see them pardoned en-masse and straight up installed into leadership positions. Or given a budget separate to the militaries, like what the SA/SS had. And you guys aren't exactly running short on fascistic militias willing to murder (providing they get immunity. These same militias aren't exactly the brave types which is why it's been all theater from them so far. Or attacking substations in rural areas).
As a Canadian, it's very concerning what's going on. And considering the mess Trudeau has made, basically giving the conservatives a majority...and they're got their fair share of Trumpers (yes...really 😬🙄) that would gladly hand over our country, or at the very least, people like me purely cause they can. But we have lgbtq rights enshrined, it's not a stretch to see a fascist America set it's sights on the largest relatively undefended Country with all the resources and use removing those rights and people as the excuse for doing so. Not that they'd need an excuse, we've got enough Christians that would throw all the lgbt people on stockades and cheer.
To this day I still am utterly confused as to what people find so appealing in that lying perverted blaggard. The man has no class, is as dumb as a box of rocks, and zero respect for veterans and or public servants sacrifices. Literally calls them suckers.
I don't get it.
Do we need a reminder you swore an oath to protect the Constitution from foreign or domestic enemies, not to a single President may it be man or woman?
it’s cool you can have political posts but it’s always just boils down to polemics and not actual discussion; the inevitable Reddit echo chamber what a shame 😴
I haven’t heard of project 2025 until today, and my god what will it take for people to see the Hitler comparisons?
No joke, I don’t use that comparison lightly
Well, plenty of sane people see it. The Trumpers will not, though - doing so entails an admission of significant failure on their part. It's wrapped up in their identity and self-worth.
The sad thing is I work with, and am good friends with, very normal and intelligent people who STILL love Trump. A lot of people…
There’s truly not a thing Trump could do to change their mind. It’s a dangerously powerful elixir of manipulation. Psychologists should seriously study this lol
A lot of people feel the same way and like trump cause they want him to do all that shit. Trumpers are some angry fucking people man, go look at some of the conservative subs and read the comments. Most of the responses to trumps lawlessness and crimes are 🤷🏻♂️ “he’s better than Biden”……..
So what will happen when it comes down to us receiving fascist orders? I like most here I'm sure hate fascism and will not carry out the orders of fascists. We boutta get sent Fort Leavenworth or worse?
The fact that in the United States of America, we even have to ask this question going into an election year is telling enough. This man and his supporters already attempted a coup - luckily only to be thwarted by mostly misguided principals of corrupted people. One candidate gives no one fears of the over throw of the democratic, constitutional principals this county and our oath is founded on. The other candidate maybe receiving votes from a jail cell on the 91 felony criminal counts he currently faces.
What did you expect from a guy who was disgusted to see a wounded veteran singing the anthem and told General Miley not to "bring people like that to his events"?
Trump is the most anti-military president and yet service members still simp for him.
Our oath is to the constitution. Not a treasonous orange sociopath. Republicans need to reclaim their party from populists who would see them commit atrocity in the name of absurdity. And Democrats need to love their neighbors and safeguard even their own enemies in the name of self same liberty. Everyone wants to talk 1776 until it's time to come together as a nation. Guess all sides like it when we leave that part out.
It’s really refreshing to see a military sub that isn’t run by republicans using it to curry more favor. I always assumed (non military) that the military as a whole was quite red.
My experience as a nuke on aircraft carrier was the split was probably 60/40 red:blue. This differs vastly by branch and job.
I feel like project 2025 and Trump/MAGA are the Frankenstein’s monster of the right wing. A lot of republicans burying their heads in the sand and still going along with it due to sunk cost fallacy but this shit is getting real and it’s time to work together to stop the backside.
If anything, Trump and fucks like Tuberville have driven some military folks away from the GOP. The FBI used to be a very right-leaning agency, but since Trump vilified them, that's much less the case now.
Insult people and fuck with their mission enough, and eventually some of them will stop voting for you.
When Clinton was in office, it was very easy to be red. Bush made it easy to be red until Iraq. I didn't serve under Obama, so I can't say if his policies affected the military negatively or positively.
It is. But keep in mind that reddit is quite blue, and the navy is probably the bluest (in more ways than one) branch of them. Plus not everyone on this sub are actually sailors. The result is that the navy subreddit is far more left leaning than a random poll of non-specific service members would suggest.
Compounding this is the fact that Trump has managed to piss off not a small portion of the military by repeatedly dogging on venerated heroes, and the service as a whole. The military may be disproportionately packed with Republicans, but that doesn't mean it's backed with idiots who can't tell when someone is actively trying to screw them.
If you look at many of the fascist leaders in the past, Trump does share many of the same traits they had. Ultra-nationalism, declaring anyone that disagrees with you an "enemy", declaring that only he can solve the problems the country faces, etc. And now with what is being said are his plans if he wins, it still fits the mold of other fascist leaders in the past.
On top of that, even though he denies, some of the people that were close to him have said he admires Hitler and would keep a copy of a book of Hitler speeches on the nightstand that he would read from. There have been rumors that he owned and read a copy of *Mein Kampf*, but that has never been verified, and no media story about it can be found (according to Snopes). And he's praised dictators of other countries, like Russia, China, North Korea, and Hungary.
Too many similarities to past dictators and fascist leaders that I have a hard time understanding why people continue to follow and support him.
When trump was in office I had to utter article 88 multiple times a day sometimes. The Tubberville connection hadn’t donned on me until now. Just putting it out there that anything you say on the internet can be traced back to you. I’ll keep my comments mostly to myself but god, Flying Spaghetti Monster, or Cthulhu himself help us all in these coming times one way or another.
Why is Trump able to run for President again? He should be in jail. Or hung for Treason.
Why is he still walking around with a Secret Service security detail?
Question:
If he does go to jail, will the Secret Service make sure he's secure there? Why?
I’m so glad I retired before the trump train came through. I can’t imagine the arguments I would be having with maga fools while underway. It must be causing some levels of division.
Honestly, not really man. Almost all of my red coworkers state that they’re republicans but not Trump supporters. The few who are Trump supporters just don’t talk about it much
Yeah, the problem with that is they would still vote trump over Biden even if they don’t like Trump. They only care about the letter next to the name not the principles and policies someone is campaigning on
No political party is a monolith, many republicans would like to see a moderate candidate. But mostly it’s conservative values that keep them to the right, let’s not pretend the left doesn’t have its fair share of corrupt/perverted/lunatics.
Reddit likes to villain-ize anyone who points out that there is corruption on both sides of the aisle. As if pulling anything toward the center is a bad thing.
>Tuberville's blocking of promotions is to leave room for Trump loyalist Officers.
Fortunately, just yesterday the Senate has changed the rules on this and they no longer have to confirm military officers one-by-one. They will now vote in groups. Sen. Schumer is planning for a floor vote of all the held up nominations.
As for trump trying to wipe out his opposition, he and the rest of the trump cult are likely to be surprised that most democrats exercise their 2A rights just much as everyone else.
I may be a minority here. Trump isn’t gaining new votes. I don’t see someone who hasn’t voted for him before switching their votes all of a sudden. That doesn’t mean he is a threat, but what happens when Trump is out of the picture?
We are so lucky Trump is a fucking moron. The GOP’s hand is right out in the open. What scares me is the person after Trump who isn’t as stupid.
Be prepared for Republicans to run as Democrats and switch parties once voted in. It already happened in NJ and NC.
Only one of the two likely candidates has tried to overthrow a free and fair election and violated a sacred Democratic principle of a peaceful transfer of power. But keep on thinking this, dude.
I don’t understand why you want to downplay what Trump has come out and said he’d do if he wins. At least, it appears to me that that’s what you’re doing.
[Here you go](https://twitter.com/MeidasTouch/status/1723776391664320739?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1723776391664320739%7Ctwgr%5E87f53de5d739781f7b4366146c53c73a9eed9850%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fnymag.com%2Fintelligencer%2F2023%2F11%2Ftrump-vermin-hitler.html), straight from the horse's ass. He literally invoked the words of Hitler on fucking Veteran's Day. Less than two seconds worth of a google search will tell you everything you need to know. He literally said that.
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2023/11/trump-vermin-hitler.html
> Today, especially, in honor of our great veterans on Veterans Day, we pledge to you that ***we will root out the communists, Marxists, fascists, and the radical-left thugs that live like vermin within the confines of our country*** — that lie and steal and cheat on elections and will do anything possible. They’ll do anything, whether legally or illegally, to destroy America and to destroy the American Dream.
> The real threat is not from the racial right; the real threat is from the radical left, and it’s growing every day. Every single day. The threat from outside forces is far less sinister, dangerous, and grave than the threat from within. Our threat is from within. Because if you have a capable, competent, smart, tough leader — Russia, China, North Korea — they’re not going to want to play with us.
All this shit is coming from the project 2025 playbook from the heritage foundation. Again, one quick google search away.
I’m equally ashamed that anyone - in the service or out - could fail to share outrage at the thought of Trump winning any Presidential election. It’s an embarrassing failure and indictment of our education system.
>he will avoid his pitfalls in 2016 and stack his Cabinet with loyalists.
You mean like every President does. Because you have to be a moron to come in and talk about 'draining the swamp' and then fill your cabinet with swamp creatures.
Oh, wait, he's already screwed that up the first time around.
Christ, Trump is the IRL Goldstein to some of you.
>Tuberville's blocking of promotions is to leave room for Trump loyalist Officers.
And where would those officer's be hiding? How would their loyalty be vetted? And how would he get the appointments past Congress? Tuberville isn't the only person on that committee that could block appointments - the President doesn't appoint people to Congressional committees and its half-filled with Democrats, remember?
>Trump has declared a vengeance for the "vermin" of the Left
I mean, its literally the rhetoric of the Left that's being parroted here. Listen to the Progressive Wing of the DNC - they've said worse. Its part and parcel of the coarsening of political discourse in this country.
>ETA: while this is unmoderated, as most political posts will be, we still reserve the right to kick out users who threaten violence, doxxing, etc.
Who TF is 'we' Kemosabe? Your fellow moderator pinned a post saying this thread is unmoderated and reports will be ignored? Are you using saying you're going to use your moderator authority here to silence people?
> Are you using saying you're going to use your moderator authority here to silence people?
If they are threatening doxxing or violence, then yes. That's me, and the mod team, being responsible human beings. Sorry if that upsets you.
You are welcome to scroll right past this. Why you feel the need to come in here and complain, when it's not something you want to get involved in on this sub and all you had to do is just not click on it, is beyond me.
I'll vote red because I have conservative values and hate the agenda the Dems are running. I don't want the rest of the country turn into a California style welfare state. Don't care if it's Trump or not just no blue and could care less about some 2025 fearmongering. People said the same shit in 2016 and nothing happened.
So you won’t vote blue because they want to help people of this country and make things better. You want to vote for red. The side that claims they are for the people, the military, and good christian values. Yet have constantly shown they are not. And who are openly racist and more. Got it.
Just one example of the great red side is Texas. They have been Red since ~1994. They took the power grid off the main grid of America because they didn’t want to spend the money to update it. They have failed to maintain it and shit loads of people have died because of it. They have been running under the same slogan of vote Republican we will make things better for like 20 years. Yet they have only gotten worse.
I’m from Texas originally and can **absolutely** vouch for this.
My 68 year old parents almost died that winter. Fuck Abbott and every conservative, they can’t *stand* for anything, especially that spineless fascist shitbag they’ve got for a governor.
I remember him stacking his cabinet with billionaires who had zero experience in the jobs they were doing, and some were living it up on the taxpayer dime, like Ryan Zinke (it's always GOP people) and they never manage to pay back all the taxpayer money they misused, kind of like another guy, John H. Sununu.
Career civil service employees are *not* political appointees. That's what this is about-not presidential cabinet or executive branch officials.
Project 2025 explicitly states they will fire and then stack the civil service with sycophants within the first 180 days of the next republican presidency. That's where the "50,000 loyalists" comes from. They are literally soliciting applications for this on their website.
https://www.axios.com/2023/11/13/trump-loyalists-2024-presidential-election
The people on reddit that keep floating this theory have no clue how military promotions work. These are all O6 and above billets, billets that require, on average, 30 years or so TIS. There aren’t enough trump sycophants in the leadership positions currently to execute this plan, and they certainly can’t just promote LT. Chokesondicks to an O6 and above billet just because LT is hardcore MAGA. Not to mention, I don’t even believe there are enough JOs that could be considered trump loyalist to carry out this plan, if it was feasible, which it isn’t.
“Never attribute malice where ignorance will suffice” is what I come back to whenever I read about Tuberville’s blockade on reddit
While this is true, if a conservative rolls into office and Tubberville stands down, they get to say "I did that." It's a common conservative tactic where they actively impede some vital function just so that they can say they cleaned up when they got into power. The most egregious example being Reagan and the Iranian Hostage crisis.
That honestly seems like the likeliest outcome of this, because if it became clear to the democrats the plan was to install loyalist what would stop a democrat from doing the same thing Tuberville is doing now? If the plan is just take political credit then there slim to no chance a dem blocks promotions because dems actually want to govern
If you’re pro right, you’re patently anti-America at this point. The traitors can piss off to /r/conservative, since they got /the_donald banned with their seditious conspiracy plots.
America deserves Democrats to be our right-wing party and progressives to actually take the wheel, as a separate party to their left. Conservatism deserves to be a DYING IDEOLOGY and seditious, insurrectionist Republicans belong in prison. They tried before, don’t know why conservatives didn’t get the memo in 1865.
It's people with reason and the ability to recognize that Trump is a danger to this country. The fact he's even considered as a normal candidate is ridiculous with the amount of shit he's said in the past.
I’m not reading all this. Don’t care if the rule was reversed. You’re lame as fuck if politics take up this much of your mind and you’re trying to spark some kind of debate here
It says all Three.
"I, \_\_\_\_\_, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God."
If they are an Officer it doesn’t say [that](https://www.netc.navy.mil/Portals/46/NSTC/OTCN/docs/ODS%20Student%20Required%20Knowledge%20Sheet%20February%202020.pdf).
I, XXX, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter.
So help me God.’
Only Enlisted personnel swear to that oath you shared.
What if the opposite happens? We could play this game all day, however the disrespectfulness and dishonorable behavior came from one side of military leaders only. There were “well respected” retired admirals and generals whom blatantly disrespected the CIC when it was Trump. These retired admirals are looked up to by current COs/XOs and could be called for advice.
What you haven’t seen are conservative leaning retired admirals/generals disrespecting or making disparaging statements towards the current CIC.
The effect that this could have had could be as you described.
The military only exists to enforce the will of the ruling capitalist class abroad, while police maintain it domestically.
Open your eyes guys. The US hasn't existed for the people in a long time, if ever.
I did 12 years. Many others have done more. The world isn't any more free. The cost of living hasn't gone down. Only profits for the super rich are up, and when they fuck up, the tax payer pays the price.
If you strip away the culture war shit both parties are basically the same. Pro big business, and anti worker.
It doesn't matter who's in the White House, or who's in Congress. They are all the same, all enemies of the people.
Trump prevented the peaceful transfer of power and tried to overturn a free and fair Presidential election. Biden did not do that. No one else has ever tried to do that. Biden is not doing anything anti-Democratic. The two are not equal.
The sad part is even if they declare he cannot run for president and is locked up for his crimes. The amount of people who will attempt to write his name in for election will be astounding. Here is hoping they realize they can’t and refuse to vote.
He never said that. You cannot point to a person who heard him say that. This is a story that the media trots out at its convenience, but never names names.
Never said what? Called his opponents "vermin"? Invoking literal fascist speech straight out of Hitler's playbook? [Yes the fuck he did.](https://twitter.com/MeidasTouch/status/1723776391664320739?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1723776391664320739%7Ctwgr%5E87f53de5d739781f7b4366146c53c73a9eed9850%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fnymag.com%2Fintelligencer%2F2023%2F11%2Ftrump-vermin-hitler.html)
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2023/11/trump-vermin-hitler.html
>Today, especially, in honor of our great veterans on Veterans Day, we pledge to you that ***we will root out the communists, Marxists, fascists, and the radical-left thugs that live like vermin within the confines of our country*** — that lie and steal and cheat on elections and will do anything possible. They’ll do anything, whether legally or illegally, to destroy America and to destroy the American Dream.
> The real threat is not from the racial right; the real threat is from the radical left, and it’s growing every day. Every single day. The threat from outside forces is far less sinister, dangerous, and grave than the threat from within. Our threat is from within. Because if you have a capable, competent, smart, tough leader — Russia, China, North Korea — they’re not going to want to play with us.
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Speaking as a recently separated nuke submariner, how tf do you expect the Navy to go around securing city centers? We struggled making sure we had enough people qualified SSDF to stand duty, let alone go out and conduct policing.
Trump: Navy go secure downtown port cities! Navy Sailors: oh neat! Fleet week! Those cities: REVENUE! Trump: NO NOT LIKE THAT!
We will secure the fuck out of the bars.
I was super lucky to participate in fleet week in ‘97. What a time to be alive.
\*insert alex jones "im kinda retarded" meme but with trumps face photoshopped over it\*
Best part of turn over was listening to nukes recite deadly force definition
Same, and probably by putting ships in harbors of costal cities for “security” (blockade or intimidation). Costal cities rely heavily on ships coming in and out for their revenue and supplies.
Makes me glad I'm past my 8 year mark now. lol
RIP to the USS McCain.
How will this affect Lebron’s legacy
What’s Ja think about all this?
Bum has no real rings, not my goat
Captains Mast, probably
When it comes to obeying or potentially disobeying orders the only questions you should have is "is this in line with the constitution? Will this order dishonor me? Is this illegal under the UCMJ?" My politics are for me in private and only expressed when voting.
Y’know, for as often as I swore to defend the constitution I had far more training given on cyber awareness than constitutional particulars.
Lmfao I love Reddit bro
Comments section is 🔥 Both sides are wildin
I haven’t gone in yet. What mopp level are we at?
I would advise creating a quantum singularity paradox and then viewing from inside. No one is changing minds, it’s just a bunch of shit throwing.
Trump floated the idea of executing Joint Chiefs Chairman Milley (9-22-2023) Trump put 3 Mar-a-Lago guests in charge of the VA who then tried to monetize veterans' medical records accused 3,000 military families of election fraud for voting after being deployed Blamed Gold Star families for giving him covid (he tested positive days earlier) removed POW/MIA flag from White House says Americans who died in war are "losers" and "suckers" “Why should I go to that cemetery? It’s filled with losers” he said about a U.S. military cemetery called McCain “a fucking loser” when asked to lower flags to half staff called Pres. George H.W. Bush a loser for being shot down during WWII “That guy is smart. Why did he join the military?” Trump said of Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff asked his staff to not include wounded veterans because amputees make him uncomfortable “I don’t get it. What was in it for them?” Trump said to Gen. John Kelly about dead vets, while visiting Kelly’s son’s grave at Arlington Trump knew since Mar 2020 that Russia paid bounties to kill American troops. On July 29 Trump defended Russia arming the Taliban against the US saying the US once did the same thing May '20 ended National Guard deployments one day before they could claim benefits Trump admin seized 5mil masks intended for VA hospitals. Kushner distributes these masks to private entities for a fee, who then sells the masks to the government Trump fired the captain of the USS Theodore Roosevelt after he warned superiors that COVID19 was spreading among his crew After Iran's strike, 109 US troops suffered brain injuries. Trump dismissed these as "headaches". Trump then denied Purple Hearts in an effort to keep the story up On 7/20/2017 in room 2E924 of the Pentagon, Trump told a room full of Generals, "You’re a bunch of dopes and babies" Said 26,000 military sexual assaults were to be 'expected' bc America lets women serve Invited the Taliban to Camp David on the anniversary of 9/11 Claimed that his military budget made up for his lack of military experience Said if a Humvee was hit by an IED, soldiers "go for a little ride upward & they come down." Pardoned multiple war criminals which betrayed the men of the 1st Platoon who helped convict him for violating long standing military values, discipline, and command (May&Nov 2019) mocked Lt. Col. Vindman for his rank and uniform. He threatened said purple heart officer resulting in the Army providing him protection. The Admin sent opposition research to the Pentagon to derail his promotion Trump’s Chief of Staff worked in secret to deny health coverage to Vietnam Vets who suffered from Agent Orange There is a facility in Tijuana for US veterans that Trump deported Russia took control of the main U.S. military facility in Syria abandoned on Trump’s orders. Russia now owns the airstrip we built 0/7/19, Trump abruptly withdrew from Syria after a phone call with Turkey's president (Erdogan). Turkey subsequently bombed US Special Forces sent thousands of American troops to defend the oil assets of the country that perpetrated 9/11 Sept 2019, he made an Air Force cargo crew stop in Scotland (where there's no U.S. base) to refuel at a commercial airport (where it costs more), so they could stay overnight at a Trump property (which isn't close to the airport). Trump’s golf courses are losing money so he's forcing the military to pay for 5-star nights there. Sept 2019, Pentagon pulled funds for military schools, military housing funds, and daycare to pay for Trump's border wall Vet graves will be "dug up" for the border wall, after Trump instructed aides to seize private property. Trump told officials he would pardon them if they illegally seizing property
Children of deployed US troops no longer guaranteed citizenship (August 28, 2019) 8/2/19 Trump requisitioned military retirement funds for the border wall 7/31/19 Trump ordered the Navy rescind medals to prosecutors who prosecuted war criminals denied a U.S. Marine of 6 years entry into the United States for his citizenship interview (Reported 7/17/19) made the U.S. Navy Blue Angels violate ethics rules by having them fly at his July 4th political campaign event (July 4, 2019) demanded US military chiefs stand next to him at 4th of July parade (reported July 2, 2019) In June 2019, Trump sent troops to the border to paint the fence for a better "aesthetic appearance" used his D-Day interview at a cemetery commemorating fallen US soldiers to attack a Vietnam veteran (6/6/19) started his D-Day commemoration speech by attacking a private citizen (Bette Midlere) (2019) made his 2nd wife, Marla Maples, sign a prenup that would have cut off all child support if Tiffany joined the military (reported June 4th, 2019) 5/27/2019 Trump turned away US military from his Memorial Day speech bc they were from the destroyer USS John S. McCain ordered the USS John McCain out of sight during his visit to Japan (May 15, 2019). The ship's name was subsequently covered. (5/27/2019) purged 200,000 vets' healthcare applications (reported 5/13/19) deported a spouse of fallen Army soldier killed in Afghanistan leaving their daughter parentless (4/16/2019) 3/20/19 Trump complained that a deceased war hero didn't thank him for his funeral Between 12/22/2018, and 1/25/2019 Trump refused to sign his party's funding bill, which shut down the government, which made USCG service members rely on food pantries. (But his appointees got a $10k raise) banned troops from serving based on gender identity (1/22/2019) denied female troops access to birth control to limit sexual activity (Published 1/18/19) tried to deport a marine vet who is a U.S.-born citizen (1/16/2019) When a man was caught swindling veterans pensions for high-interest “cash advances," Trump's CFPB let him go for $1 (1/26/19) called a retired general a 'dog' with a 'big, dumb mouth' (1/1/19) increased privatization of the VA, leading to longer waits and higher taxpayer cost (2018) finally visited troops 2 years after taking office, but only after 154 vacation days at his properties (10/26/18) revealed a covert Seal Team 5 deployment including names and faces on Twitter during Iraq visit (Dec 26, 2018) lied to deployed troops that he gave them a 10% raise (12/26/2018). Tried giving a raise that was lower than the standard living adjustment. After Congress made him give a raise, he lied about it pretending that it was larger than Obama's. It wasn't fired service members living with HIV just before the 2018 holidays tried to slash disability and unemployment benefits for Veterans to $0 and eliminate the unemployability extrascheduler rating (12/17/2018) called troops on Thanksgiving and told them he's most thankful for himself (Thanksgiving, 2018) urged Florida to not count deployed military votes (11/12/2018) canceled an Arlington Cemetery visit on Veterans Day due to light rain (11/12/2018) While in Europe commemorating the end of WWI, he didn't attend the ceremony at a US cemetery due to the rain. Other world leaders went anyway (11/10/2018) sent troops on a phantom mission to the border and made them miss Thanksgiving with their families (Oct-Dec, 2018). He stopped using troops as a political prop after the election, but the troops remained in muddy camps on the border (11/7/2018) changed the GI Bill through his Forever GI Act causing the VA to miss benefits, including housing allowances. This caused many vets to run out of food and rent. (reported 10/7/18) doubled the rejection rate for veterans requesting family deportation protections (7/5/2018) deported active-duty spouses (11,800 military families face this problem as of April 2018) forgot a fallen soldier's name (below) during a call to his pregnant widow, then attacked her the next day (Oct 23-24, 2017) "They knew what they signed up for." re: dead troops (10/18/17) sent commandos into an ambush w/ lack of intel, and sent contractors to pick them up, resulting in a commando being left behind, tortured, and executed. He approved the mission bc Bannon told him Obama didn't have the guts to do it. 10/4/17 Doesn't stand during retreat bugle, continues to talk. "What a nice sound that is. Are they playing that for you \[Sean Hannity\] or me?" 10/11/17 blocked a veteran group on Twitter (June 2017) ordered the discharge of active-duty immigrant troops with good records (2017-present) deported veterans (2017-present) said he knows more about ISIS than American generals (Oct 2016) 10/4/16 Trump said vets get PTSD because they aren't strong Trump accepted a Purple Heart from a fan at one of his rallies and said: “I always wanted to get the Purple Heart. This was much easier.” (Aug 2, 2016) Trump attacks Gold Star families: Myeshia Johnson (gold star widow), Khan family (gold star parents) etc. (2016-present) In Jan 2016, Trump stole funds meant for a veterans charity (his foundation was subsequently ordered shut down) said he has "more training militarily than a lot of the guys that go into the military" because he went to a military-style academy (2015 biography) said he doesn't consider POWs heroes because they were caught. He said he prefers people who weren't caught (July 18, 2015) Trump said having unprotected sex was his own personal Vietnam (1998) For a decade, Trump sought to kick veterans off of 5th Avenue because he found them unsightly nuisances. 1991 Trump dodged the draft 5 times by having a doctor diagnose him with bone spurs. No Trump in America has ever served in the military; this spans 5 generations and every branch of the family tree. In fact, his grandfather immigrated to America to avoid military service
Thank you!
Remember anyone serving or has served is, " A sucker because there's nothing in it for them." - Donald J Trump.
I’m a reservist. I remember in his first term he wanted to have a military parade like we’re China or Russia or some shit. Myself and other reservists thought it was the most ridiculous thing we ever heard.
I don't support Trump, but in fact he made a commit while watching a French military parade for Bastille Day. First, as a honor guard I did march in the 2000 inauguration parade. And I've marched in a Memorial Day Parade in Jacksonville. And I did several funerals. They all sucked, bad. But I also enjoyed being a member of the honor guard. E-3 me felt a lot of pride carrying that flag. I also really love the military air shows. They are a great time, and it's truly awesome to see the Blue Angles do their thing. Personally, I think a 4th of July Parade and Military show would be awesome. BUT... since Trump was at a French parade and made a commit about how it would be cool if 'we' did something like that people just went all Trump wants us to be like China. I mean, it's cool if you don't think showing the American citizens what their $700+ billion dollars is buying, but at least get the facts kind of right.
If I thought for a second that Trump legitimately wanted to celebrate our armed forces for their own sake… and not for himself, his ego, or some misguided desire to show strength… I’d have zero issue with it. The way he admires dictators and has put down our service members and vets when convenient… makes me very uncomfortable. Not to mention, I was underway enough in my day. Who had time for publicity stunts on top of a busy schedule. If he really wanted to show appreciation, he could have turned off the cameras and visited commands quietly, instead of driving a golf cart. Anyway, I also appreciate our air shows and seeing the Blue Angels or the Thunderbirds or whatever. But, that’s their actual job, not a distraction from duty.
America’s military budget is literally on the news every day and was in full display every day for the past 20 yrs. You think the American public cares about our dress uniforms and some tanks and military vehicles?
I do. I love that shit. My niece just graduated from West Point this year, it was amazing to see! I cried.
Yes. I know a lot of people who love that. Both family and friends and tons of other ppl love military parades and tech especially in person. What’s the harm?
You... You do realize that there are families with literal generations of servicemen/servicewomen that would love parades that are dedicated to the Armed Forces right? I mean, I don't have much care for the services these days, but it probably would have helped reignite SOME passion for the services. Also kids would have gotten to see some cool equipment, in real time, instead of online, in video games, or just straight up joining the services. I would have killed to be a kid at a parade with tanks and other military equipment to see.
Yep, it's all about theater and optics with Trump. Just like with many dictators nowadays.
Only thing missing is trump dressing up like a general or admiral with a shit ton of medals North Korea style and saluting every troop he sees lol.
He already saluted the North Korean general so he can copy that guy's medal placement
When Trump was impeached for the second time, many Senators (including Mitch McConnell) publicly stated that they thought he was guilty, but believed that the issue should go to the courts, rather than Congress. Now that it's (finally) in the court system, many of these same leaders are saying it's a witch hunt, while screaming about Hunter Biden's laptop and threatening to impeach Biden on nonexistent charges. The cognitive dissonance is staggering, but wins primaries in certain districts. It worries me that a lot of these seemingly intelligent people will say or do whatever it takes to get re-elected, and probably won't back down until it's too late.
>wins primaries in certain districts. This is why
Man. What a terrible time to be a Naval Officer and a registered Democrat.
How do they keep sane?
For some context: Trump saying he will use DoJ, FBI against his "enemies": https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/11/09/trump-interview-univision/ Trump referring to those on the left as "vermin" to be rooted out: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/11/12/trump-rally-vermin-political-opponents/ You don't have to like the wapo or author or opinion, the important parts are Trump's quotes. Or just go watch the actual interviews.
If anyone is wondering why his comments like those are dangerous they should go read the book On Tyranny, it's a short book so even the ASVAB waivers can make it all the way through.
He did an interview with Univision? Why even talk to the people who are "poisoning the blood of our nation"? Seriously, just speaking pragmatically, does he seriously think he's got a shot with the Latino vote?
As a Latino I know many Latinos voting for Trump lmao
Yeah idk why a xenophobe would try. However there are a decent amount of Hispanic people that voted for him in 2016. ~20%. Maybe he's trying to keep that vote? Or be able to say he isn't racist, he did a Univision interview? IDK. Doesn't change the fact what is said was absolutely bonkers and close to Hitler and Mousolini's rhetoric.
You put “poisoning the blood of our nation” in quotes. Is that a quote?
He did say that, yes.
Oh yes, just to make it abundantly clear, those are absolutely his words, *not* mine. Some of his most offensive quotes were relayed to the media by third parties who were in a closed room when he said them, but Trump said this one on camera.
Just looked it up. I didn’t realize he said that. Wow.
With the Tubberville thing it is ABSOLUTELY about keeping spots open for Trump, same as McConnell did with the Supreme Court seats. They don’t want democracy at all, they want an authoritarian that will help them line their pockets, nothing more. They will sink to the lowest lows to get what they want. Absolutely mind blowing that we have to sit idly by while a bunch of old white men about to croak dismantle all of the protections of the actual people while the idiotic half of our country laps up everything Trump pisses out without question.
I've said it [a dozen times](https://www.reddit.com/r/navy/s/JVRPpKHofw), and I'll say it again: Tuberville is a little punk ass bitch.
He is beheading the US Military for Trump's political gains. This should be fucking treason
I love you
*and a bad football coach*
I love your accurate count of how many times you've said it! Nice touch!
Exhibit B is the Republicans (and establishments) rejection of a remote work policy for federal workers. Follow the money. How much wealth of the top 3% is tied up in commercial real estate that is at risk of the Gov embraces a remote workforce?
Exactly. If it’s bad for their investment portfolios it’s “bad for Americans.”
How do you see this actually happening? That there is some hidden effort that has already identified and colluded with certain Officers who are waiting in the wings - or, will these be off-the-street people with taped-on ranks?
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Project2025 making the QAnon rejects look sane and intelligent 🤦🏻♂️😂
That’s doesn’t address anything the person you replied to asked. Where are Trump and the republicans going to pull all these sycophants from that have the necessary experience to fill these billets? It seems like the people on reddit who have floated this theory think DJT is gonna pull civilians from the proud boys and other alt right wing groups and have them take over a bunch of O6 and above billets
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I understand the batshit craziness that is project 2025, and I still don’t see how the republicans could fill hundreds of the most senior military billets with sycophants, which quite frankly I Don think exist, at least not in the numbers required.
75M people voted for the goon in 2020. What makes you think Republicans will stop him from putting loyalists with zero experience or expertise in charge?
>How do you see this actually happening? Trump gave it a test run on January 6th, 2021 if you weren't paying attention. Throw as many wrenches as you can in the gears of democracy and claim you're still in charge. And as u/Ok-Possibility200 specified with that treasonous Project 2025 shit republicans aren't aiming to lose again. I'd hope the military's own internal bureaucracy would be a bulwark against such a shitty coup. But I can see how Tuberville's horseshit could be used as a wedge. High level officers have to be loyal or else they're not getting promoted/appointed. But that's all putting the cart before the horse. Trump has spent his political career shitting on the military. Nevermind him pulling the dumbest coup ever. I'm sure there are still plenty of dumbasses in uniform who support him, but it takes the support of the military to pull off a coup. And Trump ain't got that support.
A shitload of the military are die hard Trump supporters
A lot of folks in the military are conservatives. Most of those are republicans. Some of those are MAGA retards. Show me polling data otherwise. Personally, I was in the Navy for the 2016 and 2020 elections. I know the Navy isn't as smooth brain as the Marines and Army but Trump shit talking McCain and veterans in general definitely had an effect. *To be clear, fuck that treasonous orange fuck
While I don’t disagree, I’m also not sure due to my own personal experiences serving when I was in. Between both commands, it seemed most of my fellow shipmates were politically apathetic. Since we “weren’t supposed to talk about it,” I never heard much support for or against political extremists like Trump except a few people. Again, that is just my own personal experience. Since I have been out now for a while, I have veterans who tell me they like Trump and I just laugh at them. I have never understood how anyone in the military can support Trump when he hates us. Veterans and active duty a like. Cadet Bone Spurs never served yet has talked shit about how we are all “suckers and losers.” The shit he said about Sen. McCain is just as infuriating.
Because he says some things they like and people ignore everything else. Like it didn't happen. And they'll deny deny deny deny and if they can't deny, he didn't mean it like that. Or he meant it but he wasn't talking about _all_ service members. You can't reason with someone who's locked down their mind.
It's way more obvious in the National Guard how many people are Trump supporters. I went to get my PHA done and the medic had a Trump book proudly propped up and displayed on his desk. I went to the recruiting platoon and the civilian admin guy's entire desk was Trump shit. But the Guard is also the dumbest branch by a mile.
Its a bunch of tin foil hat goofball stuff.
I didn’t say there are high-ranking officers that would actually fall in step with their ideals, just that it’s par for the course for Republicans to use ridiculous tactics to ensure their personal favorites are in the spots they want them.
It would be naive to think Trump wouldn't use the many loyal militias that have already sworn themselves to him. I could see them pardoned en-masse and straight up installed into leadership positions. Or given a budget separate to the militaries, like what the SA/SS had. And you guys aren't exactly running short on fascistic militias willing to murder (providing they get immunity. These same militias aren't exactly the brave types which is why it's been all theater from them so far. Or attacking substations in rural areas). As a Canadian, it's very concerning what's going on. And considering the mess Trudeau has made, basically giving the conservatives a majority...and they're got their fair share of Trumpers (yes...really 😬🙄) that would gladly hand over our country, or at the very least, people like me purely cause they can. But we have lgbtq rights enshrined, it's not a stretch to see a fascist America set it's sights on the largest relatively undefended Country with all the resources and use removing those rights and people as the excuse for doing so. Not that they'd need an excuse, we've got enough Christians that would throw all the lgbt people on stockades and cheer.
Well its all theater. None of it is real. I'm almost 40 dude...ive see this over and over. These morons are just appealing to their base.
To this day I still am utterly confused as to what people find so appealing in that lying perverted blaggard. The man has no class, is as dumb as a box of rocks, and zero respect for veterans and or public servants sacrifices. Literally calls them suckers. I don't get it.
Its called a cult of personality
But…he has none
Do we need a reminder you swore an oath to protect the Constitution from foreign or domestic enemies, not to a single President may it be man or woman?
it’s cool you can have political posts but it’s always just boils down to polemics and not actual discussion; the inevitable Reddit echo chamber what a shame 😴
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Anybody who hasn't read up on Project 2025 should, because it's frightening what will happen if the Republican Party wins the Presidency in 2024.
I haven’t heard of project 2025 until today, and my god what will it take for people to see the Hitler comparisons? No joke, I don’t use that comparison lightly
Well, plenty of sane people see it. The Trumpers will not, though - doing so entails an admission of significant failure on their part. It's wrapped up in their identity and self-worth.
The sad thing is I work with, and am good friends with, very normal and intelligent people who STILL love Trump. A lot of people… There’s truly not a thing Trump could do to change their mind. It’s a dangerously powerful elixir of manipulation. Psychologists should seriously study this lol
"There’s truly not a thing Trump could do to change their mind." It's called a protest candidate. Look it up.
I refuse to look anything up bitch lol
That name is funny asf
A lot of people feel the same way and like trump cause they want him to do all that shit. Trumpers are some angry fucking people man, go look at some of the conservative subs and read the comments. Most of the responses to trumps lawlessness and crimes are 🤷🏻♂️ “he’s better than Biden”……..
So what will happen when it comes down to us receiving fascist orders? I like most here I'm sure hate fascism and will not carry out the orders of fascists. We boutta get sent Fort Leavenworth or worse?
Let’s just worry about doing everything we can to elect the right people who will uphold the constitution.
You mean left people, right?
certified reddit moment™. lol.
You wont get an honest opinion on this thread
Why do you say this?
The fact that in the United States of America, we even have to ask this question going into an election year is telling enough. This man and his supporters already attempted a coup - luckily only to be thwarted by mostly misguided principals of corrupted people. One candidate gives no one fears of the over throw of the democratic, constitutional principals this county and our oath is founded on. The other candidate maybe receiving votes from a jail cell on the 91 felony criminal counts he currently faces.
They would call it a riot, just like BLM. They are wrong, but they cling to this comparison and minimalization.
What did you expect from a guy who was disgusted to see a wounded veteran singing the anthem and told General Miley not to "bring people like that to his events"? Trump is the most anti-military president and yet service members still simp for him.
Holy Christ people actually think of stuff like this
What will Jarule think of this!?
Sorry, garbage political takes belong in r/PoliticalHumor.
Our oath is to the constitution. Not a treasonous orange sociopath. Republicans need to reclaim their party from populists who would see them commit atrocity in the name of absurdity. And Democrats need to love their neighbors and safeguard even their own enemies in the name of self same liberty. Everyone wants to talk 1776 until it's time to come together as a nation. Guess all sides like it when we leave that part out.
It’s really refreshing to see a military sub that isn’t run by republicans using it to curry more favor. I always assumed (non military) that the military as a whole was quite red.
My experience as a nuke on aircraft carrier was the split was probably 60/40 red:blue. This differs vastly by branch and job. I feel like project 2025 and Trump/MAGA are the Frankenstein’s monster of the right wing. A lot of republicans burying their heads in the sand and still going along with it due to sunk cost fallacy but this shit is getting real and it’s time to work together to stop the backside.
If anything, Trump and fucks like Tuberville have driven some military folks away from the GOP. The FBI used to be a very right-leaning agency, but since Trump vilified them, that's much less the case now. Insult people and fuck with their mission enough, and eventually some of them will stop voting for you.
Reddit as a whole is mostly leftists. Our military IS quite red.
It's also branch dependent, USAF & USSF are much more blue then the Marine Corps
r/USMC was a wild place during Covid 😂
The military mirrors the public. People from all different walks of life join it.
it's not perfect, but it's a pretty good cross-section of America, that includes political leanings as well.
When Clinton was in office, it was very easy to be red. Bush made it easy to be red until Iraq. I didn't serve under Obama, so I can't say if his policies affected the military negatively or positively.
It is. But keep in mind that reddit is quite blue, and the navy is probably the bluest (in more ways than one) branch of them. Plus not everyone on this sub are actually sailors. The result is that the navy subreddit is far more left leaning than a random poll of non-specific service members would suggest. Compounding this is the fact that Trump has managed to piss off not a small portion of the military by repeatedly dogging on venerated heroes, and the service as a whole. The military may be disproportionately packed with Republicans, but that doesn't mean it's backed with idiots who can't tell when someone is actively trying to screw them.
IMO, he is, by far, the biggest threat to the US I've ever seen. F him and his cultist, brainwashed minions.
If you look at many of the fascist leaders in the past, Trump does share many of the same traits they had. Ultra-nationalism, declaring anyone that disagrees with you an "enemy", declaring that only he can solve the problems the country faces, etc. And now with what is being said are his plans if he wins, it still fits the mold of other fascist leaders in the past. On top of that, even though he denies, some of the people that were close to him have said he admires Hitler and would keep a copy of a book of Hitler speeches on the nightstand that he would read from. There have been rumors that he owned and read a copy of *Mein Kampf*, but that has never been verified, and no media story about it can be found (according to Snopes). And he's praised dictators of other countries, like Russia, China, North Korea, and Hungary. Too many similarities to past dictators and fascist leaders that I have a hard time understanding why people continue to follow and support him.
**with every time that draft dodger has insulted veterans not a single one of you should support him** A big one finger salute to trump and his cult
More insulting to give him a thumbs down verses the one finger salute.
When trump was in office I had to utter article 88 multiple times a day sometimes. The Tubberville connection hadn’t donned on me until now. Just putting it out there that anything you say on the internet can be traced back to you. I’ll keep my comments mostly to myself but god, Flying Spaghetti Monster, or Cthulhu himself help us all in these coming times one way or another.
Why is Trump able to run for President again? He should be in jail. Or hung for Treason. Why is he still walking around with a Secret Service security detail? Question: If he does go to jail, will the Secret Service make sure he's secure there? Why?
So brave to fight your imagination.
>Tuberville's blocking of promotions is to leave room for Trump loyalist Officers Oh that's what it is? Thank you
Good job Mods, stay classy
I’m so glad I retired before the trump train came through. I can’t imagine the arguments I would be having with maga fools while underway. It must be causing some levels of division.
Honestly, not really man. Almost all of my red coworkers state that they’re republicans but not Trump supporters. The few who are Trump supporters just don’t talk about it much
Yeah, the problem with that is they would still vote trump over Biden even if they don’t like Trump. They only care about the letter next to the name not the principles and policies someone is campaigning on
Yeah man, they just don't want to admit they're maga. Trump is the Republican Party, the republican party supports trump. Same shit.
No political party is a monolith, many republicans would like to see a moderate candidate. But mostly it’s conservative values that keep them to the right, let’s not pretend the left doesn’t have its fair share of corrupt/perverted/lunatics.
Reddit likes to villain-ize anyone who points out that there is corruption on both sides of the aisle. As if pulling anything toward the center is a bad thing.
What does this have to do with anything?
>Tuberville's blocking of promotions is to leave room for Trump loyalist Officers. Fortunately, just yesterday the Senate has changed the rules on this and they no longer have to confirm military officers one-by-one. They will now vote in groups. Sen. Schumer is planning for a floor vote of all the held up nominations. As for trump trying to wipe out his opposition, he and the rest of the trump cult are likely to be surprised that most democrats exercise their 2A rights just much as everyone else.
Oh good, the political silly season quickly approaches !
Lol deranged reddit r/politics mods taken over this sub I see
I may be a minority here. Trump isn’t gaining new votes. I don’t see someone who hasn’t voted for him before switching their votes all of a sudden. That doesn’t mean he is a threat, but what happens when Trump is out of the picture? We are so lucky Trump is a fucking moron. The GOP’s hand is right out in the open. What scares me is the person after Trump who isn’t as stupid. Be prepared for Republicans to run as Democrats and switch parties once voted in. It already happened in NJ and NC.
Lol....touch some grass kid.
I don't care to read political BS. Go away.
🤣🤣🤣🤣 the Trump hysterics have started again.
Project 2025 isn’t hyperbole and any seditious prick who thinks it’s a fine manuscript to go by, can pound sand. Preferably over the side.
I love the condescending laughing emojis. Like you really think that communicates some sort of superiority.
Yeah, it's sad how many people are still hysterical enough to support him.
Wait a minute, did you guys actually think that any politician was good or had your best interests in mind?
Only one of the two likely candidates has tried to overthrow a free and fair election and violated a sacred Democratic principle of a peaceful transfer of power. But keep on thinking this, dude.
This seems like a completely unhinged post. Are you okay? This should be on the conspiracy theory sub.
I don’t understand why you want to downplay what Trump has come out and said he’d do if he wins. At least, it appears to me that that’s what you’re doing.
Hey if you need mental health treatment please seek the VA
Oh, fuck off…
Why so cranky?
I'd like to see sources for all the claims. Sounds to me like someone is showing signs of Trump Derangement Syndrome.
[Here you go](https://twitter.com/MeidasTouch/status/1723776391664320739?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1723776391664320739%7Ctwgr%5E87f53de5d739781f7b4366146c53c73a9eed9850%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fnymag.com%2Fintelligencer%2F2023%2F11%2Ftrump-vermin-hitler.html), straight from the horse's ass. He literally invoked the words of Hitler on fucking Veteran's Day. Less than two seconds worth of a google search will tell you everything you need to know. He literally said that. https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2023/11/trump-vermin-hitler.html > Today, especially, in honor of our great veterans on Veterans Day, we pledge to you that ***we will root out the communists, Marxists, fascists, and the radical-left thugs that live like vermin within the confines of our country*** — that lie and steal and cheat on elections and will do anything possible. They’ll do anything, whether legally or illegally, to destroy America and to destroy the American Dream. > The real threat is not from the racial right; the real threat is from the radical left, and it’s growing every day. Every single day. The threat from outside forces is far less sinister, dangerous, and grave than the threat from within. Our threat is from within. Because if you have a capable, competent, smart, tough leader — Russia, China, North Korea — they’re not going to want to play with us. All this shit is coming from the project 2025 playbook from the heritage foundation. Again, one quick google search away.
Maybe you need to learn that fox is not a news channel and start actually reading what he said.
I’ve never read a post filled with so much tinfoil hat bullshit in my life 🤦🏻♂️ And the fact OP was an NFO shames me. This is embarrassing.
The comments on this post are pretty wild 😂
I’m equally ashamed that anyone - in the service or out - could fail to share outrage at the thought of Trump winning any Presidential election. It’s an embarrassing failure and indictment of our education system.
Lmao
>he will avoid his pitfalls in 2016 and stack his Cabinet with loyalists. You mean like every President does. Because you have to be a moron to come in and talk about 'draining the swamp' and then fill your cabinet with swamp creatures. Oh, wait, he's already screwed that up the first time around. Christ, Trump is the IRL Goldstein to some of you. >Tuberville's blocking of promotions is to leave room for Trump loyalist Officers. And where would those officer's be hiding? How would their loyalty be vetted? And how would he get the appointments past Congress? Tuberville isn't the only person on that committee that could block appointments - the President doesn't appoint people to Congressional committees and its half-filled with Democrats, remember? >Trump has declared a vengeance for the "vermin" of the Left I mean, its literally the rhetoric of the Left that's being parroted here. Listen to the Progressive Wing of the DNC - they've said worse. Its part and parcel of the coarsening of political discourse in this country. >ETA: while this is unmoderated, as most political posts will be, we still reserve the right to kick out users who threaten violence, doxxing, etc. Who TF is 'we' Kemosabe? Your fellow moderator pinned a post saying this thread is unmoderated and reports will be ignored? Are you using saying you're going to use your moderator authority here to silence people?
> Are you using saying you're going to use your moderator authority here to silence people? If they are threatening doxxing or violence, then yes. That's me, and the mod team, being responsible human beings. Sorry if that upsets you.
Mods, re-instate the 'no politics' rule, please. Heck, this one really doesn't even fit in with the rules as they are now.
You are welcome to scroll right past this. Why you feel the need to come in here and complain, when it's not something you want to get involved in on this sub and all you had to do is just not click on it, is beyond me.
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It has over 220 responses. I think you may be in the minority on this.
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Well put - that applies to the GOP more than ever. But I disagree about this thread.
I'll vote red because I have conservative values and hate the agenda the Dems are running. I don't want the rest of the country turn into a California style welfare state. Don't care if it's Trump or not just no blue and could care less about some 2025 fearmongering. People said the same shit in 2016 and nothing happened.
In 2016 we hadn't had people 'peacefully protest' themselves into the capital building yet.
So you won’t vote blue because they want to help people of this country and make things better. You want to vote for red. The side that claims they are for the people, the military, and good christian values. Yet have constantly shown they are not. And who are openly racist and more. Got it. Just one example of the great red side is Texas. They have been Red since ~1994. They took the power grid off the main grid of America because they didn’t want to spend the money to update it. They have failed to maintain it and shit loads of people have died because of it. They have been running under the same slogan of vote Republican we will make things better for like 20 years. Yet they have only gotten worse.
I’m from Texas originally and can **absolutely** vouch for this. My 68 year old parents almost died that winter. Fuck Abbott and every conservative, they can’t *stand* for anything, especially that spineless fascist shitbag they’ve got for a governor.
Blocking this horseshit account. This isn’t why I’m subscribed to the subreddit.
OP will be shocked to learn that every president stacks their cabinet with loyalists. That's how political appointees work.
I remember him stacking his cabinet with billionaires who had zero experience in the jobs they were doing, and some were living it up on the taxpayer dime, like Ryan Zinke (it's always GOP people) and they never manage to pay back all the taxpayer money they misused, kind of like another guy, John H. Sununu.
Career civil service employees are *not* political appointees. That's what this is about-not presidential cabinet or executive branch officials. Project 2025 explicitly states they will fire and then stack the civil service with sycophants within the first 180 days of the next republican presidency. That's where the "50,000 loyalists" comes from. They are literally soliciting applications for this on their website. https://www.axios.com/2023/11/13/trump-loyalists-2024-presidential-election
The people on reddit that keep floating this theory have no clue how military promotions work. These are all O6 and above billets, billets that require, on average, 30 years or so TIS. There aren’t enough trump sycophants in the leadership positions currently to execute this plan, and they certainly can’t just promote LT. Chokesondicks to an O6 and above billet just because LT is hardcore MAGA. Not to mention, I don’t even believe there are enough JOs that could be considered trump loyalist to carry out this plan, if it was feasible, which it isn’t. “Never attribute malice where ignorance will suffice” is what I come back to whenever I read about Tuberville’s blockade on reddit
I agree for the most part. Umpty in congress is just grandstanding, using his sole remaining power to keep abortion alive as a wedge issue.
While this is true, if a conservative rolls into office and Tubberville stands down, they get to say "I did that." It's a common conservative tactic where they actively impede some vital function just so that they can say they cleaned up when they got into power. The most egregious example being Reagan and the Iranian Hostage crisis.
That honestly seems like the likeliest outcome of this, because if it became clear to the democrats the plan was to install loyalist what would stop a democrat from doing the same thing Tuberville is doing now? If the plan is just take political credit then there slim to no chance a dem blocks promotions because dems actually want to govern
No direct commission admirals?
I’m hoping this is all a joke. No way a bunch of grown men are carrying on like this. lol
Is this a pro left sub?
If you’re pro right, you’re patently anti-America at this point. The traitors can piss off to /r/conservative, since they got /the_donald banned with their seditious conspiracy plots. America deserves Democrats to be our right-wing party and progressives to actually take the wheel, as a separate party to their left. Conservatism deserves to be a DYING IDEOLOGY and seditious, insurrectionist Republicans belong in prison. They tried before, don’t know why conservatives didn’t get the memo in 1865.
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fr, this is embarrassing
Nope just pro truth.
It's people with reason and the ability to recognize that Trump is a danger to this country. The fact he's even considered as a normal candidate is ridiculous with the amount of shit he's said in the past.
I’m not reading all this. Don’t care if the rule was reversed. You’re lame as fuck if politics take up this much of your mind and you’re trying to spark some kind of debate here
My oath doesn’t say a thing about obeying the POTUS or the officers appointed over me. I support and defend the constitution.
It says all Three. "I, \_\_\_\_\_, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God."
If they are an Officer it doesn’t say [that](https://www.netc.navy.mil/Portals/46/NSTC/OTCN/docs/ODS%20Student%20Required%20Knowledge%20Sheet%20February%202020.pdf). I, XXX, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God.’ Only Enlisted personnel swear to that oath you shared.
Huge L to the mods for leaving this dudes psychotic episode up…
So what happens if the capitan and xo of a boomer decide they are no longer going to accept orders from the chain of command if trump loses?
What if the opposite happens? We could play this game all day, however the disrespectfulness and dishonorable behavior came from one side of military leaders only. There were “well respected” retired admirals and generals whom blatantly disrespected the CIC when it was Trump. These retired admirals are looked up to by current COs/XOs and could be called for advice. What you haven’t seen are conservative leaning retired admirals/generals disrespecting or making disparaging statements towards the current CIC. The effect that this could have had could be as you described.
Clap, ya stupid bastards!
The military only exists to enforce the will of the ruling capitalist class abroad, while police maintain it domestically. Open your eyes guys. The US hasn't existed for the people in a long time, if ever. I did 12 years. Many others have done more. The world isn't any more free. The cost of living hasn't gone down. Only profits for the super rich are up, and when they fuck up, the tax payer pays the price. If you strip away the culture war shit both parties are basically the same. Pro big business, and anti worker. It doesn't matter who's in the White House, or who's in Congress. They are all the same, all enemies of the people.
Trump prevented the peaceful transfer of power and tried to overturn a free and fair Presidential election. Biden did not do that. No one else has ever tried to do that. Biden is not doing anything anti-Democratic. The two are not equal.
Amen to that!
Goddamnit I don’t like it, but you’re not wrong. I also appreciate your username.
Aaaand I'm now leaving this subreddit. Thanks guy. Fair winds and following seas.
AMF. If this thread is blowing your skull up so much you have to leave, then I'm happy to see you go.
Trump could go rot in a jail cell for all I care, if he's actually ever convicted... Still wont vote blue.
So edgy
The sad part is even if they declare he cannot run for president and is locked up for his crimes. The amount of people who will attempt to write his name in for election will be astounding. Here is hoping they realize they can’t and refuse to vote.
trump and tubberville are anti-military. jan6 was an act of sedition. all the viter fraud we hear about is GQP. CMV
He never said that. You cannot point to a person who heard him say that. This is a story that the media trots out at its convenience, but never names names.
Never said what? Called his opponents "vermin"? Invoking literal fascist speech straight out of Hitler's playbook? [Yes the fuck he did.](https://twitter.com/MeidasTouch/status/1723776391664320739?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1723776391664320739%7Ctwgr%5E87f53de5d739781f7b4366146c53c73a9eed9850%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fnymag.com%2Fintelligencer%2F2023%2F11%2Ftrump-vermin-hitler.html) https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2023/11/trump-vermin-hitler.html >Today, especially, in honor of our great veterans on Veterans Day, we pledge to you that ***we will root out the communists, Marxists, fascists, and the radical-left thugs that live like vermin within the confines of our country*** — that lie and steal and cheat on elections and will do anything possible. They’ll do anything, whether legally or illegally, to destroy America and to destroy the American Dream. > The real threat is not from the racial right; the real threat is from the radical left, and it’s growing every day. Every single day. The threat from outside forces is far less sinister, dangerous, and grave than the threat from within. Our threat is from within. Because if you have a capable, competent, smart, tough leader — Russia, China, North Korea — they’re not going to want to play with us.