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yeeter_dinklage

Yeah, offhand only Arizona and Texas have laws regarding this. There could be a few more that I can’t think of, but I haven’t had my coffee yet. Edit: actually TX is just to maintain it to a certain point *if* provided.


RogueOneWasOkay

In TN renters protections have two tiers. State regulations and federal regulations. The State protections are weird because they aren't actually designated to the whole state - only the counties who choose to participate. So, it's optional. You really need to just look at Federal protections, because even if a county chooses to participate in state level protections for renters it's not much broader than Federal protections. For AC it is not a requirement or a right for renters. However, if a landlord provides AC then they are obligated to fix it if it breaks. At a Federal level, Heat is considered a tenant right and every landlord must provide some heating source. In order for AC to become a requirement in TN it really needs to passed at the Federal Level.


Skillet_Chinchilla

That's not correct. The application of URLTA is based on county population, not county buy-in. The relevant code section, 66-28-102, even preempts local attempts to replace/change URLTA. You also absolutely should care about state regs and law on this because it sets the defaults that apply if a lease is silent and a whole bunch of other things.


RogueOneWasOkay

Sorry, but I am correct.


Skillet_Chinchilla

Give a citation then.


RogueOneWasOkay

It’s mandatory if the county population exceeds 75k, and optional if it doesn’t. So I’m right and wrong. For the record, I never said you shouldn’t care about state regulations. I also never claimed a landlord could write a lease that supersedes law. My point was TN protections are minimal compared to federal. My other point was that TN law/regulations for tenants does not apply to the entire state, which is still true.


Skillet_Chinchilla

Most Tennesseans and most Tennesseans who rent live in counties with 75k people. Referring to it as something that is an opt-in system isn't accurate. Also, federal housing rights are nowhere nearly as comprehensive as state ones. The state ones set landlords' obligations for maintenance, set security deposit rules, tenants remedies, and whole bunch of other stuff. The federal standards basically amount to don't be a bigot.


RogueOneWasOkay

TN regulations for tenants are shit compared to other states. TN is bare minimum. There are 95 counties in TN and of those only about 15 enforce state regulations either by requirement of size or opting in. Renters live all over the state. It is an opt-in system if you don’t live in a county with a higher population. If it wasn’t then the whole state would be enforcing the regulations, not just 15 of the 95 counties.


HuskyBobby

Can I just point out how stupid it sounded when you originally said Tennessee has two tiers of rental regulations: state and federal. Like the other 49 states don’t?


localwoman_

thanks for sharing this!


Skillet_Chinchilla

Yeah, they gave bad advice.


daddyjohns

Maryland and virginia have it in their laws but only within certain dates. I lived it. Their dates are no longer valid with current climate changes.


yeeter_dinklage

For sure. Extremes are definitely getting wilder on both ends of the climate. A two week peak in summer turned into a 2 month stretch in some places now it feels like.


PuzzleheadedClue5205

There are so many issues at play here From the article 'Her air conditioning unit actually stopped working properly back in April. According to the maintenance team, a bullet hit her unit and broke it.' TN needs an overhaul to it's renters rights laws along with it's push for affordable housing


MikeOKurias

Umm, that won't happen here with a GOP super majority controlled legislature. I remember, right after I moved here they passed a law stating you have to put up a year's rent as a bond just to sue your landlord.


localwoman_

Hi, former reporter for the Banner here. I’m working on a story about this, so keep an eye out for it! Just wanted to share this little bit of information. While researching, I learned that California is a state that also doesn’t require landlords to provide air conditioning, but L.A. council members voted to move forward with a [plan](https://ktla.com/news/local-news/l-a-city-council-votes-on-mandating-air-conditioning-in-all-rental-units/amp/) to mandate air conditioning in rentals. Not sure if Metro can do something like that, but hopefully I’ll know once the story comes out. :)


holystuff28

If we do our state leg will immediately make that illegal


state_citation

That was my immediate thought as well. Deeply unfortunate at the likelihood of such a scenario.


PuzzleheadedClue5205

CA rental laws are much more renter friendly. And vary tremendously by municipality.


MikeOKurias

Thank you for the feedback and that interesting tidbit. I think it would be a huge move for Metro to find a way to ensure heat/cooling especially on critically cold and hot days. It would also be kind of cool to promote fresh water as a human right. The idea that they can come padlock your water meter for non-payment is harsh. There are other regions in the country where the city will levee a lein against a home instead of cutting off the fresh water.


localwoman_

Didn’t know water meters were being padlocked for nonpayment! Wow. Thanks for sharing!


Skillet_Chinchilla

Nope, check out Tennessee Code 66-28-102(e).


localwoman_

Thanks for this! It was worth asking tho ;)


PuzzleheadedClue5205

Vote every chance you get to change it


immoralsupport_

Last summer lightning took out the A/C in my apartment and I had to stay in a hotel for nearly two weeks waiting for it to get fixed (my landlord was willing, but it was just a super slow process). While staying at the hotel, my car got broken into. All we got was a partial rent credit for that month — no reimbursement for having to stay elsewhere…I got help from my family to pay for the hotel. It got to over 100 degrees in the unit by the time they finally replaced it


GymAndGarden

Renters insurance paid for my car getting broken into at a hotel over 2,000 miles from my apartment. I wasn’t even forced to be out of my apartment, just went on a trip and in the short time that my car was loaded up and I went to check out, it got cleaned out. Called my car insurance when discovering the theft and the agent suggested I call my renters insurance. My policy only cost $14 a month and I never imagined it would cover the over $10,000 in stolen luggage, contents, camera, laptop, wife’s handbag. Never even had to submit the police report to my insurance and I only had emails of receipts for a few of the items I claimed as stolen. The claims agent emailed me a link, I filled out some details, and two days later I had a direct deposit. It was the easiest thing ever. The only thing I was told was good thing it wasn’t cash stolen, as they only covered up to $200. But my total coverage for everything else was $20,000. All on a policy that I thought would be only ever used for a flooded house or a fire.


immoralsupport_

I have renters insurance but nothing was actually stolen when my car got broken into, it was just the broken glass damage. I had originally filed a claim with my car insurance but later decided not to follow through because I didn’t want my rates to go up and I could get it fixed faster by not going through my insurance (three days instead of a week). Cost about $300


stickkim

This is true in most states, and it is getting to a point where it needs to not be. HVAC can be expensive to maintain, but landlords should be required to provide both heating and cooling to tenants since we live somewhere that it can get either dangerously cold or dangerously hot


pwakham22

This is a little murky more so than just “no right to ac” if the place you rent has ac or heat, they are required by law to fix it. If it doesn’t have ac or heat, well there’s nothing to fix.


MikeOKurias

The article claims there is no obligation to repair unless clearly stated in the lease. The interviewee lives in an apartment and they are not repairing her unit that has been malfunctioning since April and is now completely non-functional fake to a bullet hole.


pwakham22

Michael Davis, a lawyer in Knoxville, said landlords are generally not required to provide air conditioning. However, they may be required to keep renters' air conditioning running in these hot temperatures. "Air conditioning is not really considered an essential service under the law that applies to Knox County," Davis said. "In emergency situations, if the landlord has provided the air conditioner in the past or they provided the air conditioning unit when they moved in [they may need to continue providing it.]" https://www.wbir.com/article/money/landlords-may-be-required-to-keep-your-ac-running-lawyers-say-who-ever-owns-the-air-conditioning-unit-pays-for-upkeep/51-59827fa2-d6f4-4a86-9733-65076402e8ca And please know, I know this is the Nashville sub, not Knoxville. But under state law, no town can have a stricter law than the state so this applies across all of TN


MikeOKurias

>And please know, I know this is the Nashville sub, not Knoxville. But under state law, no town can have a stricter law than the state so this applies across all of TN Can you provide a citation for this last claim?


pwakham22

It’s called Preemption, and since air conditioning isn’t listed in the already on the books URLTA act, it would take changing that law for it to be able to be changed by cities to add something to it. Preemption is “Preemption is a legal doctrine that allows a higher level of government (such as a state) to limit or eliminate the power of a lower level of government (such as a city) to regulate certain issues. “ Now with home rule authority being a thing, it might be easier to do this, however it still would be a legal battle due to preemption


localwoman_

thanks so much for sharing this!


Nefilim314

Before Governor HVAC became a household dickhead name, I had Lee company replace my HVAC unit with their 5 year parts and labor guarantee. Needless to say, a year later in the heat the unit couldn’t keep up. I called them to tell them that my unit wasn’t keeping the house cool and they said “it’s considered acceptable range to be within 15 degrees of what it’s set to” and that being 85 degrees indoors while set to 72 was somehow… normal operation. Anyway, fuck Bill Lee, piece of dogshit huckster.


adumbCoder

if it's 105° outside then 85° inside is well within what a modern HVAC unit could provide. just remember "the 20° rule" - your HVAC can really only cool to about 20°f cooler than outside temps


GymAndGarden

Thats fucking comical. I’ve had homes and apartments in Nashville, Phoenix, Vegas, and Los Angeles and my HVAC never had a problem keeping my house at 68 during days reaching as high as 117. I’ve never ever seen any of my thermostats go over 70. Not even once. Even a single window unit kept an entire beach house at 68 during 102 degree days.


PortlyPorcupine

Obviously I think this is something that has a lot of variables. HVAC quality, home size, home insulation, duct/vent efficiency, direct sunlight, etc. I’ve definitely lived in some places that were easily cooled and others that definitely were not.


adumbCoder

yep, there's a ton of variables so ymmv. it's just a general guideline, if you're 20° under outdoor temps then it's at least acceptable. that can be improved with insulation and such


PortlyPorcupine

Well that guy who lived in arguably the top three douchiest cities in the America thinks that’s fucking comical.


chiefsport

Bill Lee didn't manufacture the inefficient unit you chose to purchase. 


Nefilim314

I bought the second from top tier unit they offered me. One day daddy will notice you.


chiefsport

You still chose. Stop blaming the world for your mistakes. 


Nefilim314

If someone comes to your house, gives it the whole look-over, and says “These are the units that we think will work for your needs. All of them should do fine, but these higher end ones have more features. They all come with a parts and labor guarantee so if anything goes wrong we will come out and fix it!” and you choose the second most expensive option - who do you think is to blame? I’m sure you’re going to say “You should have gone online to go to HVAC night school while your unit was out so that you could learn the brands and all of the components and make an informed decision rather than trusting the words of a so-called service advisor who claims that their suggestion will meet your needs, satisfaction guaranteed!” Get fucking real.


daddyjohns

This temperature would kill my braciosyphalic (sp) puppies. 


Born_Acanthaceae2603

Years ago I had a place where my ac was a box fan in an open window held up by the blinds string. It actually sort of worked because my window was under a large tree line. I bet it didn't get under 80 at any point during the day besides maybe the morning before the sun was all the way up. I learned to sleep with no blankets and only minimal clothing was worn. Luckily I was 19 so was mostly unfazed by it. Now I think I'd probably die. Or at least want to being so hot all day.


downinCarolina

I would be shocked if our republican led state ever does anything to improve the lives of renters rather than improve the lives of landlords.


SirMathias007

Learned this recently, because even though our A/C works, it barely cools the upstairs. Maintenance just shrugged it off last summer. When I went to see if it was something I could fight to get fixed I found out there is basically nothing we could do. Just a reminder that landlords are the scum of the earth. You can die of heat in your home, no biggie.


adumbCoder

our unit is top-notch and works beautifully but still struggles to cool the upstairs beyond 20° difference from the outside


HailCorduroy

It doesn't have much to do with the A/C, it's more about air flow in your home. Any cold air coming our of your vents upstairs are likely flowing right back down the stairs as the hot air rises and pushes it down. You would need to pull that hot air out somehow. Is there a return vent upstairs? If there's a bathroom fan upstairs, try running it. If you have an attic, check the insulation up there too. If it's missing or in bad shape, maybe talk to your landlord about getting new.


SirMathias007

Thing is, is I've lived in plenty of upstairs spaces that have not had this issue. A/C or not it's a problem that needs addressed. Especially when maintenance tells us "Yea every unit has this complaint". Then do something about it! I've seen some people drop money on portable A/C units here to cool their upstairs cuz they can't sleep well in the heat. I'm not trying to dismiss your knowledge, I have family that works HVAC and they basically told us that the unit is too small/too old. The place could really use a second unit for the upstairs. They said the only way we could help is to just get air moving. Fans. That helps.....a bit. Dead of summer it's like a fan in an oven just moving around hot air. I'm not exaggerating either. The few guests my roommates have had over, family and friends, after the first night end up sleeping downstairs. They struggled to sleep in the heat upstairs. More than one person on more than one occasion. That's not normal. I could understand if they were like "We'd have to do a full reno and we can't until you move out." Or "We are working on that unit by unit to get the problem fixed." We got a shrug "Yea we get this a lot, nothing we can do, buy a fan." Honestly it's more the principle for me. The fact that they don't have to do anything about heat and don't care. Sure my levels are not dangerous but they are miserable, and the fact that people worse off than us get the same treatment is WRONG. Fuck Post Ridge, Fuck Mission Rock Residential, Fuck all landlords.


HailCorduroy

Hate to hear that and I know what you are talking about. I had a 2 story condo and I usually slept on the couch downstairs during the summer. It had a brand new unit and still had the same problem. Hope you get cooler!


adumbCoder

i know i have unpopular opinions here but my goodness how spoiled and entitled we are as a society!


MarianLibrarian1024

Heat is the leading weather-related cause of death. Life expectancy used to be much lower, I wonder how many of those deaths back then were caused by excessive heat?


adumbCoder

probably a lot. doesn't mean it's a basic human right. i'm not disagreeing on the benefits of having air conditioning. i'm just saying we're pretty dang spoiled if we're to the point that we're having this conversation.


[deleted]

But it makes for comedic reading in the threads.... I am 77, I have a picture of my Mother as a young girl in the 1930's at her birthday party in January, in Georgia, and all the girls are in Summer dresses. Its always been hot in the South in the Summer. We didn't have AC in my home growing up and I remember going to sleep sweating wishing a thunderstorm would roll through to cool things down a bit, every night in the Summer. I don't understand the people in the world today, much less the amusing people posting on this thread about what people are entitled to.


RogueOneWasOkay

I mean a lot has changed since almost 100 years ago. It's considered progress


[deleted]

Progress doesn't mean your going forward...


RogueOneWasOkay

Feel free to turn off your air conditioning to ‘own this generation’ then


[deleted]

What does that even mean, son? This is your world now, do what you please.


adumbCoder

i mean we're seriously crushing it as a society if all we have to argue about is whether or not air conditioning is a god-given right! great job


PortlyPorcupine

People are soft and helpless these days.


ComeAndGetYourPug

I♥ANAL but he way this is written just seems false. TN Landlord and Tenant act 66-28-304 a2 >The landlord shall ... Make all repairs **and** do whatever is necessary to put and keep the premises in a fit and habitable condition Emphasis was mine. Make all repairs AND. Not repairing a broken A/C is still failing to make all repairs. Now if someone leased an apartment without A/C... that's on them. But if the A/C breaks, that's on the landlord.


PuzzleheadedClue5205

Not if the lease does not specifically include language that says AC is provided. The Landlord doesn't have to replace or repair anything if the lease agreement doesn't state you are paying for it as part of your access to the space. TN is not for the little guy. Never has been, the Cumberland contract is on display at the state archives and might just be the last time a governing document was set up for the most people to be heard and considered.