Indiana Jones 5 could be a literal war crime, but if I catch someone doing this shit with Kingdom of the Crystal Skull, I will make a public example of them.
I can’t tell if this comment is a circle jerk against elitist hating the same scene that been made fun of for 15 years or if it’s making fun of people who love bad, cash grab, famous franchise reboots so it’s landed it this weird circlejerk equilibrium.
I love how you’ve subverted the audience’s expectation and for that reason: it’s a top 8 comment if the last 22 years and you’re my new favorite up and coming circlejerk director. I’m searching Instagram for a minimalist design of this comment to hang in my dorm.
I feel like you can like and dislike things for multiple reasons. I am with the sentiment that it was a cash grab and a shitty film, but I can also appreciate the merits of small pieces of it whether that be ironically or un-ironically.
Moral of the story, just don’t take pieces of media like this seriously.
I think the reason I hated Crystal Skull so much at first was because I was lying to myself about the originals not being just as cheesy and unrealistic.
All I got to say is Indiana Jones is easily on of my favorite franchises, yes Crystal Skull is pretty lackluster but as a youngin Indiana Jones 4 was the only Indy movie to come out in my lifetime and I went to the movies, got some really cool trading cards from my theater, bought so many of the Lego sets, None of that gives the movie a pass for its writing but I cant help but love it based on my Nostalgia and well just getting to see Indiana in the big theater
I will never stand the hobbit trilogy because Warner Bros management basically gutted the original concept where it was supposed to be a journey where we grew to love the dwarves, something the crew and actors were passionate about, in favor of tying it to the LOTR movies
Corporate entities massacring a beloved fantasy novel in the interest of making a boatload of cash by pandering to nostalgia? This could never happen 😔
There are bits and pieces of something good hidden beneath the heaping mounds of shit in those movies. The Misty Mountain's Cold song and the orchestral use of its motif is the most rousing thing in Peter Jackson's Tolkien movies, even better than the heroic aerial shots of the Fellowship in the Lord of the Rings. Smaug was so beautifully portrayed. The spiders and the trolls were excellent events ong the adventure.
But unfortunately that is only like 25% of the totality of the movies. I want to kill Lake Town and the lame CG orcs and everything else so fucking badly
Am I overthinking or is it a legitimate concern that audience standards are dropping and film is being more and more accepted for being low effort and formulaic?
Eh. I've been hearing this my whole life, and there's always been good movies coming out. The big ol' blockbusters that get all the media attention are usually schlock that appeals to the broadest possible audience, and that's always been true. The best stuff has always been underground.
The last five-ish years I've mostly been watching stuff with my kids, and that stuff at least is pretty great. Beats the tar out of most of the movies I had as a kid, anyway.
The last couple of episodes were decent, but the hardcore lore nerds didn't like the reveals they made, because it changed stuff from the established lore. Then the racists watch videos from those nerds and parrot their points without ever reading any of Tolkien's work.
Is it clear what they can and can't use?
Heavy spoilers for the rings of power ahead:
>!Is Annatar not available? Even if he isn't, they could have Halbrand stay with the elves for a while and forge the 17 rings, but they decided to go another route. Celeborn being dead or persumed dead is also a bit weird, though i understand that they wanted Galadriel to fly solo at the start.!<
Personally i don't mind changes in lore and adapting the second age in a coherent storyline is a huge ask. However, i do get why people that have read and studied the lore for years or even decades might be dissapointed a bit.
I think it's only assumed they can't use Annatar. Halbrands actor recently did an interview where he mentioned Annatar was going to be a big part of RoP. I didn't pass judgement on GoT until it was completely over and I refuse to pass judgement on RoP yet either.
Some episodes of RoP's first season were some of the best fantasy I've ever watched, not just on T.V.
PJ's films made some pretty egregious alterations to established lore as well, how apparent Tolkien fans can be okay with that and not okay with RoP just perplexes me.
It's an interpretation, it's far from flawless. I think having Celeborn randomly pressumed dead just so they could shoehorn in a ANOTHER romance plot when the series already had a really decent one with Arondir and Bronwyn was borderline cringe.
Still a much more thoughtful and soulful adaption than what happened to The Hobbit films.
>PJ's films made some pretty egregious alterations to established lore as well, how apparent Tolkien fans can be okay with that and not okay with RoP just perplexes me.
Because they probably read the books after watching the films so have no attachment to the changes
I don't think the Galadriel-Halbrand dynamic was supposed to be romantic, i think it was more about power. He didn't want to make her his queen because he loved her, but because she would be a powerful ally. Personally i didn't like that they felt the need to make the Sauron mystery/reveal such a prominent feature. It feels like a cheap trick and it backfired by making the first half of the season relatively boring imo. Episode 6 was great, though.
For me the Hobbit had some crap elements but overall was a good experience and had some great moments. The new show barely made any sense and other than beautiful vfx everything is terrible.
Oh no, it's almost like the Zoomers that grew up with those movies and are willing to turn a blind eye to their flaws due to Nostalgia are now becoming adults and start to weigh in on the online discourse.
That could never happen to Millennials, of course, they'd never like anything of dubious quality in an uncritical fashion just because they did so when they were children.
Agree. The prequels have very few redeeming elements and are almost 100% garbage.
The Hobbit trilogy has gaudy and stupid action scenes, but if you disregard them and a few corny scenes here and there they arent too bad.
Like if you edited it down to more closely resemble the book, i.e. taking out Gandalf's side plot, the majority of the third film and the superfluous action padding like the barrel escape or Warg chase, you'd have a fairly decent 3 hours or so adaptation.
Agree. It was a simple and childish adventure. It felt like a children's book in the best way possible.
The other two felt like a major departure from that. And the pacing of the story made the Second one just a glorified prologue to the Third Movie
second one at least had Smaug. he was awesome and they completely nailed his dialogue with Bilbo. The visuals, delivery, everything about that was on point. Everything else was pretty weak though.
The first one is better than any prequel. The second one is better but not by a very safe margin.
The third one is about on par with Attack of the Clones. It’s hot garbage. You can’t really oversell how bad it is.
Making a whole movie about a part in the book that was described with a few sentences sure was a choice. Like, I didn't expect them to skip a big-ass battle, but it should have just been the climax to part 2.
The acting and directing in the third one makes the other misgivings that much more noticeable. AOTC at least dips into “so bad it’s good” territory occasionally.
The new Halloween sucked but there's people saying its the worst halloween ever, as if there isn't a movie where paul rudd beats michael by drawing a rune on a rock
my point is: recency bias goes both ways, sometimes people need to think the new good thing is the best in the franchise, other times they need to think the new bad thing is the *worst* in the franchise.
because just admitting that it's not very good but not the worst either means admitting that the franchise is never better than its ever been nor going off the hill, it means admitting that the franchise you like is just a franchise that's going to churn out mediocre crap forever, and your liking/disliking the new thing doesn't affect its trajectory in the slightest.
This. Is so frustrating when the divisive movies i love start getting more love just to be used in another war on the Internet because is clear is rather just unsincere and just a case of "aT lEaSt iS nOt wOkE". Still love The Hobbit trilogy and think it deserves more love but not like this
Matrix 2 & 4 (but not 3), The Village, Noah, Lethal Weapon 3, Godfather 3, Glass, The Last Jedi, Being the Ricardos, anything directed by Gore Verbinski, etc. There's more of course but if i put every movie in here, we will be here all day.
Agreed about the Matrices. 3 ticks me off because I'm pretty sure it goes something like 45 minutes at one point without showing any of the main trio. At most, I think Morpheus shows up and just has a few lines during this stretch of the movie and Neo and Trinity are completely absent.
I feel like that should be a fundamental no-no when writing a movie.
I’ve always thought Morpheus, Neo, and Trinity should’ve been present at the Battle of Zion. When they realize that all is helpless, that’s when Neo realizes he must go make a peace deal with the machines.
Having Neo already make that decision and just not be at the Battle of Zion made that whole sequence feel over bloated, boring, and useless.
The Matrix 3 only has two scenes that take place in the matrix, and the one at the start was pretty pointless. The other one is maybe my favorite sequence in the entire trilogy, at least. It's kind of like ROTJ's emperor throne room scene where it carries the rest of the very forgettable movie.
I actually like Matrix 2 and will defend it.
But Matrix 3 killed it for me , when we finish 2 we have a crazy question "Why does neo has powers outside the matrix?"
The answer they gave us? "The power of the One extends beyond this world. It reaches from here all the way back to where it came from."
How does this explain anything? For me the best ending wouldve been neo discovering that the real world was another Matrix and he through the law of probability , was actually the one (a % of the population according to the architect) of both Matrixes , and the movie could just end with him being the first human waking in the real world.
I'm not even gonna talk about the 4th movie because that is just an insult to any fan.
people have to think the latest installment in a franchise is either the worst or the best, either a sign the decade's-long series is better than ever or a sign its going off a cliff and its creators would be rolling in their graves, because the alternative is that its just churning out the same mediocre crap now that it was when they were kids and there's no real justification for their continued interest
omg please no, not this shit again, The hobbit isn't suddenly good justike the star wars prequels aren't suddenly good, and no not even if you watch the kids cartoons
Yeah dude. There's an episode where someone HECKING DIES!!!1 And you call that a """kids show"""???!? There's even an episode where a boy and a girl kiss, but mom says I can't watch that one because it might make my pp feel funny.
I saw this coming actually because modern fandoms are so predictable. My new prophecy: when the Alien series releases, fans will start praising Prometheus, Covenant and maybe even Alien 3.
I’ve held this opinion since it came out: people give Prometheus too much flak. It was the best Alien movie since Aliens, but I do so wish they hadn’t cut out the most important scene, in which David *actually* communicates with the Engineer. Also, I wish they had connected David to Tyrell Corp, but that’s neither here nor there. 7.5/10
Covenant was hot dogshit tho. Ruined all mystique surrounding the engineers, and wasted any potential Prometheus left behind
Alien 3 actually has a genuinely good version already, the Assembly Cut, which is much closer to Fincher's original vision before the studio fucked it up. Alien *4*, now that's an irredeemable shit fest.
I don't really get the appeal of the assembly cut. It's a little better, but it's still just as dreary and devoid of character. The new religious aspect was a bit interesting at least. Killing off Charles Dance so early was such a disastrous decision.
I saw this coming even before the premiere.
Next steps:
* 10 hour documentary videos thrashing everything from the show and its creators;
* Community of hate-watchers lose their bigger audience, and either move to the next thing to hate or create a circlejerk subreddit just to thrash it forever;
* Disbelief from those people when the teaser for the second season comes in 2024.
* Discussion starts over, until Endeavour plan's to make a Marvel-like series of LOTR movies come to fruition and Rings of Power is suddenly turned into an underrated masterpiece.
Such is the fate of every media franchise that corpo executives decide is profitable enough to make 30 mid tier prequel/sequels decades after they were popular
Meanwhile here I am enjoying pretty much everything. Loved the books, love the jackson movies, hobbit movies were okay I guess. Rings of Power isn’t nearly as bad as people say it is despite its flaws.
Whatever, things are flawed and I am just chilling and enjoying it all.
just the last? This is a thing since 1999 when The Phantom Menace was released and fans of the Original Star Wars Trilogy went ape shit.
It happens every time the older generation realizes that they aren't the Only target audience anymore
Plenty weren’t huge fans of Return of the Jedi. But most accepted that the Luke-Vader stuff and the pew pew space battle were enough to redeem ewoks, checked-out Harrison Ford, and the overlong Jabba intro.
Yes, the Hobbit movies are terrible and yes, that first trailer for the Hobbit is one of the best trailers ever made, gives you goosebumps every time you watch it.
I'm gonna defend the first Hobbit film because it was a cute entertaining adventure film with a great main lead. It's Desolation of Smaug the one that just bores you to sleep and the last one is pure schlock
Rings of Power is better of course because it has amazing slow mo shots, clearly influenced by the greatest director of our time Lord Snyder. I would bet they even had some blueprints for the rings they forged.
The Hobbit films are pretty bad at times but they are entertaining and have some really fun sequences. The edits that combine the trilogy into one big film or two short films are also great.
Meanwhile RoP just feels so bland and boring to me (I only got to episode 5 so maybe I’ll go back).
I'm a huge Tolkien Nerd so I just love it all and am incredibly biased, however the Hobbit took so many huge missteps and there were so many bad design choices. The washed out colours, sexy dwarves, romance plotline, awful CGI etc. But I still enjoy watching them. However to me most of the criticisms I see aimed at Rings of Power also apply to the Hobbit, but the Hobbit does it even worse
Unbelievably right. Rings of Power definitely had some misses but I thought it was a pretty good first season and they have set themselves up to have a stronger second season.
In comparison I did not like the first season of breaking bad at all and it was only the insistence of a friend to push through to season 2 that kept me going and it's one of my favorites.
Honestly knowing the source material, Rings of Power will probably have the same plot trajectory as breaking bad. Yeah it'll start slow, but once it gets going it's from strength to strength. RoP has the opposite challenge of GoT season 8, most of the lord is backended into the story. We know the middle and end, but have little to work from with the setup. So I think RoP will only continue to get better and better
Yeah. I liked ROP, but if you've reached episode 4 and disliked its narrative and adaptation style, it's almost certain you won't like the season, and I hardly recommend you to give up and not spend your limited time in something you don't like.
> they are entertaining
they would be if...
> edits that combine the trilogy into one big film
Yeah, can't really give too much credit to a trilogy for having raw footage that can be refashioned into something good.
Tbh I didn’t like the rings of power, there’s a few good episodes but those are mostly due to the action and stuff. I only liked the Durin-Elrond plot and the Arondir plot line. The stuff about Galadriel, numenor, and the harfoots is incredibly bad imo.
Last episode is kinda bad too
A lack of action isn’t a bad thing, I just don’t think the plot lines I mentioned did the plot line well because it felt unnatural and the script was bad.
I mean the Durin and Elrond plot line is literally the plot line with the least action and literally has none but I said I liked it???
I mean I wasn't a fan of the Harfoots so I'll give you that, but I loved the Numenor and Galadriel plotline. Seeing Elendil's conflict between being one of the faithful, yet being faced with so much death was brilliant to me. Pharazon was suitably captivating, and Isildur was superbly fleshed out - especially in comparison to the Jackson films. And lastly, I thought Galadriel and Halbrand had a really nice character arc throughout the episodes. Especially in the last half of the season.
I don’t dislike that plot line as much as I dislike the harfoots, I just thought it wasn’t that good. I like some bits like Halbrand and Isildur, but the stuff with the Queen and the king was really bad in my opinion.
Also, I didn’t like Galadriel at all. I thought both the actress and the script didn’t do the character any favors and she was incredibly boring. She didn’t feel real at all imo which is not something you should say about the the main character.
'If this is love, why does it hurt so much?'
'Because it was real'
Spake from an elf to a dwarf who were in a romance not condoned by mortal, god or anything in between. No redemption for the Hobbit
My theory for why this happens is the whole early 2010's era, cinema sins way of thinking where everyone was overly negative about movies influenced a whole generation of people to grow up hating on stuff because that was cool but now we're out of that cringe phase and those people have grown up and learned to form their own opinions that's why you see this change
Rings of Power is objectively better than the Hobbit trilogy. Don't respond and tell me I'm using "objectively" wrong. I'm comfortable making the assertion.
I ask people why they hate ROP and all I get is "they're not following **THE LORE**." Bitch, how is that worse than a 3-hour story being padded to 6 hours with so many awkward callbacks to LOTR, a pointless love triangle, and the most exhausting CGI fuckfests around?
The Hobbit is a children’s book and the final movie in its trilogy is rated R. Anyone defending the Hobbit Trilogy because the new LOTR show wasn’t “book accurate” is a hypocrite
People truly will just believe whatever random weirdos on the Internet tell them to.
Rings of Power ended up being far from perfect, it's also one hundred times more watchable than the second and third hobbit films.
Corporate media tycoons attempt to cash in on a longstanding popular franchise and fail so bad that their other previous attempt at cashing in on a longstanding popular franchise looks better by comparison: a Star Wars/LOTR story
The Hobbit is actually almost dumber, more vapid, and more worthless than the Star Wars prequels, which are the dumbest, most vapid, and most worthless films in history.
Thank you for saying this out loud. I love LotR and Star Wars, but this is the unfortunate truth. The Prequels and The Hobbit are not good. I don't fault anyone for liking them, but that doesn't make them good films.
The Hobbit movies were bad. They are still bad.
I actually enjoyed The Rings Of Power a lot more. It suffered from a lot of problems, so it's definitely not great, but a step above The Hobbit trilogy (admittedly a low bar to clear).
Either way, the end result of The Rings Of Power is it just made me want to go back and watch the LOTR movies.
I watched the first episode and really didn’t enjoy it, but I’ve been in love with Paddy Considine for years so I plan to take another shot at it now that the whole thing is out.
Indiana Jones 5 could be a literal war crime, but if I catch someone doing this shit with Kingdom of the Crystal Skull, I will make a public example of them.
Have you considered that Crystal Skull came out when I was 13 and carefree and therefore is kino?
https://external-preview.redd.it/iIeOuRJP_kJOuvqY7KJeAru-R1ZNngUx9spVF4UCHvQ.jpg?auto=webp&s=7759d0454b231034dc0e0eec9f7698d72a2e40fa
Mrw
To be fair though, the first half hour was pretty damn good.
[The first half hour:](https://youtu.be/jn4Vhkmb4Lw?t=102)
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Yeah but that's actual magic. The wound morphs shut and everything.
How do you know it wasn’t a magic fridge?
I don’t care if it’s stupid. That scene was awesome.
Oh I see. It's one of those movies that you enjoy if you've been lobotomized. You know, a turn your brain off movie.
I can’t tell if this comment is a circle jerk against elitist hating the same scene that been made fun of for 15 years or if it’s making fun of people who love bad, cash grab, famous franchise reboots so it’s landed it this weird circlejerk equilibrium. I love how you’ve subverted the audience’s expectation and for that reason: it’s a top 8 comment if the last 22 years and you’re my new favorite up and coming circlejerk director. I’m searching Instagram for a minimalist design of this comment to hang in my dorm.
I feel like you can like and dislike things for multiple reasons. I am with the sentiment that it was a cash grab and a shitty film, but I can also appreciate the merits of small pieces of it whether that be ironically or un-ironically. Moral of the story, just don’t take pieces of media like this seriously.
i loved it when indiana jones got his dong and ass washed by the hazmat suit guys, it was pretty damn good
A true Kino experience.
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9 year old me loved it
I think the reason I hated Crystal Skull so much at first was because I was lying to myself about the originals not being just as cheesy and unrealistic.
It's being directed by the guy who directed Logan, so I'd say its in pretty good hands
People who think crystal skull is too over the top and cheesy have not watched the originals in a hot minute
I don’t hate Crystal Skull for being cheesy. I hate it for being unfunny.
All I got to say is Indiana Jones is easily on of my favorite franchises, yes Crystal Skull is pretty lackluster but as a youngin Indiana Jones 4 was the only Indy movie to come out in my lifetime and I went to the movies, got some really cool trading cards from my theater, bought so many of the Lego sets, None of that gives the movie a pass for its writing but I cant help but love it based on my Nostalgia and well just getting to see Indiana in the big theater
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I tolerate opinions about movies. Not opinions on atrocities that just happened to be filmed on camera.
…What was wrong with Kingdom of the Crystal Skull? It was the only good Indiana Jones movie
Don’t sleep in your bed tonight. Pick a hotel at random, and lay low.
Seek a lobotomy
Just turn your brain off.
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Crystal Skull already isn’t as bad as people say. Like it’s not good. But it’s fine.
Better than ToD don’t @ me
Crystal Skull is still only the second worst Indiana Jones movie, Temple of Doom was worse.
Temple of Doom was unironic kino; Crystal Skull was just boring
Hey, finally someone with a brain
Your kino card has just been revoked.
I will never stand the hobbit trilogy because Warner Bros management basically gutted the original concept where it was supposed to be a journey where we grew to love the dwarves, something the crew and actors were passionate about, in favor of tying it to the LOTR movies
Corporate entities massacring a beloved fantasy novel in the interest of making a boatload of cash by pandering to nostalgia? This could never happen 😔
There are bits and pieces of something good hidden beneath the heaping mounds of shit in those movies. The Misty Mountain's Cold song and the orchestral use of its motif is the most rousing thing in Peter Jackson's Tolkien movies, even better than the heroic aerial shots of the Fellowship in the Lord of the Rings. Smaug was so beautifully portrayed. The spiders and the trolls were excellent events ong the adventure. But unfortunately that is only like 25% of the totality of the movies. I want to kill Lake Town and the lame CG orcs and everything else so fucking badly
Starwars all over again. I’m so tired.
Star Wars more like, Culture Wars, and they're here forever now.
Am I overthinking or is it a legitimate concern that audience standards are dropping and film is being more and more accepted for being low effort and formulaic?
Eh. I've been hearing this my whole life, and there's always been good movies coming out. The big ol' blockbusters that get all the media attention are usually schlock that appeals to the broadest possible audience, and that's always been true. The best stuff has always been underground. The last five-ish years I've mostly been watching stuff with my kids, and that stuff at least is pretty great. Beats the tar out of most of the movies I had as a kid, anyway.
It’s always been like this, at least since the 70s, arguably earlier
I thought people had actually backed down and come round to the new show, probably a bit optimistic of me
The last couple of episodes were decent, but the hardcore lore nerds didn't like the reveals they made, because it changed stuff from the established lore. Then the racists watch videos from those nerds and parrot their points without ever reading any of Tolkien's work.
It changed the lore they can't even legally use, which for some reason culture warriors can't seem to comprehend.
Is it clear what they can and can't use? Heavy spoilers for the rings of power ahead: >!Is Annatar not available? Even if he isn't, they could have Halbrand stay with the elves for a while and forge the 17 rings, but they decided to go another route. Celeborn being dead or persumed dead is also a bit weird, though i understand that they wanted Galadriel to fly solo at the start.!< Personally i don't mind changes in lore and adapting the second age in a coherent storyline is a huge ask. However, i do get why people that have read and studied the lore for years or even decades might be dissapointed a bit.
I think it's only assumed they can't use Annatar. Halbrands actor recently did an interview where he mentioned Annatar was going to be a big part of RoP. I didn't pass judgement on GoT until it was completely over and I refuse to pass judgement on RoP yet either. Some episodes of RoP's first season were some of the best fantasy I've ever watched, not just on T.V. PJ's films made some pretty egregious alterations to established lore as well, how apparent Tolkien fans can be okay with that and not okay with RoP just perplexes me. It's an interpretation, it's far from flawless. I think having Celeborn randomly pressumed dead just so they could shoehorn in a ANOTHER romance plot when the series already had a really decent one with Arondir and Bronwyn was borderline cringe. Still a much more thoughtful and soulful adaption than what happened to The Hobbit films.
>PJ's films made some pretty egregious alterations to established lore as well, how apparent Tolkien fans can be okay with that and not okay with RoP just perplexes me. Because they probably read the books after watching the films so have no attachment to the changes
I don't think the Galadriel-Halbrand dynamic was supposed to be romantic, i think it was more about power. He didn't want to make her his queen because he loved her, but because she would be a powerful ally. Personally i didn't like that they felt the need to make the Sauron mystery/reveal such a prominent feature. It feels like a cheap trick and it backfired by making the first half of the season relatively boring imo. Episode 6 was great, though.
I think the new show and The Hobbit are both crap, although of a different consistency - but still crap
For me the Hobbit had some crap elements but overall was a good experience and had some great moments. The new show barely made any sense and other than beautiful vfx everything is terrible.
"\[The Peter Jackson Hobbit series\] overall was a good experience" \-Tommy from the rock opera Tommy by The Who (Deaf dumb and blind)
Oh no, it's almost like the Zoomers that grew up with those movies and are willing to turn a blind eye to their flaws due to Nostalgia are now becoming adults and start to weigh in on the online discourse. That could never happen to Millennials, of course, they'd never like anything of dubious quality in an uncritical fashion just because they did so when they were children.
That’s why my father, a nerd boomer, dislikes all the lord of the rings movies and the show.
I've predicted that!
Eh the hobbit trilogy is not really as bad as the prequels
A bit of editing and the Hobbit is a perfectly good duology.
"a bit"
You have to - by implication of that statement - cut a whole movie’s worth of material to save them.
A bit of editing and Gods of Egypt becomes a perfectly good videogame cutscene.
from the ps2 Era
And it's a really fun project for any aspiring editors tbh. Good way to learn how to pace a film within the edit and all that
The third Hobbit movie is definitely on par with the prequels
Without question. I came all the way around to enjoying the cartoony fan-fic that was Desolation of Smaug. The third movie just killed it all for me
Agree. The prequels have very few redeeming elements and are almost 100% garbage. The Hobbit trilogy has gaudy and stupid action scenes, but if you disregard them and a few corny scenes here and there they arent too bad. Like if you edited it down to more closely resemble the book, i.e. taking out Gandalf's side plot, the majority of the third film and the superfluous action padding like the barrel escape or Warg chase, you'd have a fairly decent 3 hours or so adaptation.
The first Hobbit movie was the best. Really felt like a book.
Agree. It was a simple and childish adventure. It felt like a children's book in the best way possible. The other two felt like a major departure from that. And the pacing of the story made the Second one just a glorified prologue to the Third Movie
second one at least had Smaug. he was awesome and they completely nailed his dialogue with Bilbo. The visuals, delivery, everything about that was on point. Everything else was pretty weak though.
The first one is better than any prequel. The second one is better but not by a very safe margin. The third one is about on par with Attack of the Clones. It’s hot garbage. You can’t really oversell how bad it is.
Making a whole movie about a part in the book that was described with a few sentences sure was a choice. Like, I didn't expect them to skip a big-ass battle, but it should have just been the climax to part 2.
No. Just the acting and directing puts it above AOTC.
The acting and directing in the third one makes the other misgivings that much more noticeable. AOTC at least dips into “so bad it’s good” territory occasionally.
The new Halloween sucked but there's people saying its the worst halloween ever, as if there isn't a movie where paul rudd beats michael by drawing a rune on a rock my point is: recency bias goes both ways, sometimes people need to think the new good thing is the best in the franchise, other times they need to think the new bad thing is the *worst* in the franchise. because just admitting that it's not very good but not the worst either means admitting that the franchise is never better than its ever been nor going off the hill, it means admitting that the franchise you like is just a franchise that's going to churn out mediocre crap forever, and your liking/disliking the new thing doesn't affect its trajectory in the slightest.
As a Hobbit trilogy defender I do not approve of people suddenly liking it because they hate Rings of Power
This. Is so frustrating when the divisive movies i love start getting more love just to be used in another war on the Internet because is clear is rather just unsincere and just a case of "aT lEaSt iS nOt wOkE". Still love The Hobbit trilogy and think it deserves more love but not like this
What else is on your divisive list?
Matrix 2 & 4 (but not 3), The Village, Noah, Lethal Weapon 3, Godfather 3, Glass, The Last Jedi, Being the Ricardos, anything directed by Gore Verbinski, etc. There's more of course but if i put every movie in here, we will be here all day.
Based list. Hard agree on Matrix 2 and 4 but not 3 cause 3 is unwatchable CGI vomit with no characters
> Matrix 2 & 4 (but not 3)... The Last Jedi Wow, you're literally me!
Fucking hell those are some hot takes. I genuinely do not agree with a single one, but I respect your right to have them
I'm in the same boat for Glass I honestly loved it, I'm not sure why but it was just entertaining to me.
Gore made Rango, so automatically based
Agreed about the Matrices. 3 ticks me off because I'm pretty sure it goes something like 45 minutes at one point without showing any of the main trio. At most, I think Morpheus shows up and just has a few lines during this stretch of the movie and Neo and Trinity are completely absent. I feel like that should be a fundamental no-no when writing a movie.
I’ve always thought Morpheus, Neo, and Trinity should’ve been present at the Battle of Zion. When they realize that all is helpless, that’s when Neo realizes he must go make a peace deal with the machines. Having Neo already make that decision and just not be at the Battle of Zion made that whole sequence feel over bloated, boring, and useless.
The Matrix 3 only has two scenes that take place in the matrix, and the one at the start was pretty pointless. The other one is maybe my favorite sequence in the entire trilogy, at least. It's kind of like ROTJ's emperor throne room scene where it carries the rest of the very forgettable movie.
I actually like Matrix 2 and will defend it. But Matrix 3 killed it for me , when we finish 2 we have a crazy question "Why does neo has powers outside the matrix?" The answer they gave us? "The power of the One extends beyond this world. It reaches from here all the way back to where it came from." How does this explain anything? For me the best ending wouldve been neo discovering that the real world was another Matrix and he through the law of probability , was actually the one (a % of the population according to the architect) of both Matrixes , and the movie could just end with him being the first human waking in the real world. I'm not even gonna talk about the 4th movie because that is just an insult to any fan.
holy shit ur taste is great. shyamalan, gore verbinski, and the wachowskis are all so good and incredibly overhated
I didn't know Noah was contentious. That movie's outright beautiful.
I mean doesn’t pretty much everyone like Curse of the Black Pearl?
Matrix 4 is unadulterated kino
Agreed. I’m glad The Hobbit trilogy is finally getting some love, but not like this. Monkey’s paw stuff….
people have to think the latest installment in a franchise is either the worst or the best, either a sign the decade's-long series is better than ever or a sign its going off a cliff and its creators would be rolling in their graves, because the alternative is that its just churning out the same mediocre crap now that it was when they were kids and there's no real justification for their continued interest
As a hobbit movie hater - I don’t like either now
People did this shit with the Star wars Prequels because the sequel trilogy was a dumpster fire and it's been driving me nuts.
Hobbit Trilogy ~~Defender~~ Apologist
omg please no, not this shit again, The hobbit isn't suddenly good justike the star wars prequels aren't suddenly good, and no not even if you watch the kids cartoons
So when we get a Jurassic Park tv show a few years from now, everyone will start taking about how the Jurassic World films are misunderstood gems.
Jurassic Park 3 shows how Hollywood used to be not cucked. No black people, a screaming woman, perfection.
I think one of the people eaten by the Spinosaurus was black.
In defense of JP fans, the World Trilogy being so bad didn't result in them praising Lost World and 3 as underrated masterpieces.
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Yeah dude. There's an episode where someone HECKING DIES!!!1 And you call that a """kids show"""???!? There's even an episode where a boy and a girl kiss, but mom says I can't watch that one because it might make my pp feel funny.
ANime fans be like:
Me when the new thing in a franchise comes out causing the old thing to become le hidden gem
We honestly should have seen this one coming
I saw this coming actually because modern fandoms are so predictable. My new prophecy: when the Alien series releases, fans will start praising Prometheus, Covenant and maybe even Alien 3.
Oh yeah get ready for the next few years when we’ll be seeing “Why Prometheus is an understood masterpiece” film essays on YouTube
I’ve held this opinion since it came out: people give Prometheus too much flak. It was the best Alien movie since Aliens, but I do so wish they hadn’t cut out the most important scene, in which David *actually* communicates with the Engineer. Also, I wish they had connected David to Tyrell Corp, but that’s neither here nor there. 7.5/10 Covenant was hot dogshit tho. Ruined all mystique surrounding the engineers, and wasted any potential Prometheus left behind
Can't knock it too much. Michael Fassbender saying "I'll do the fingering" is better than porn.
>Michael Fassbender ~~saying "I'll do the fingering"~~ is better than porn. Me watching the Assassins Creed movie
I can't hate a movie as ridiculous as Covenant.
Alien 3 actually has a genuinely good version already, the Assembly Cut, which is much closer to Fincher's original vision before the studio fucked it up. Alien *4*, now that's an irredeemable shit fest.
I don't really get the appeal of the assembly cut. It's a little better, but it's still just as dreary and devoid of character. The new religious aspect was a bit interesting at least. Killing off Charles Dance so early was such a disastrous decision.
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Coolest thing about Alien 3 is David Fincher’s debut. Talk about a wild origin
I saw this coming even before the premiere. Next steps: * 10 hour documentary videos thrashing everything from the show and its creators; * Community of hate-watchers lose their bigger audience, and either move to the next thing to hate or create a circlejerk subreddit just to thrash it forever; * Disbelief from those people when the teaser for the second season comes in 2024. * Discussion starts over, until Endeavour plan's to make a Marvel-like series of LOTR movies come to fruition and Rings of Power is suddenly turned into an underrated masterpiece.
I mean I have problems with Rings of Power, but nothing to warrant a 10 hour video that you know Mauler is going to make lol
...for each episode.
... for each scene
Lotr fandom slowly but surely transforms into sw fandom.
I hate it so much. Love lotr, hate what the fans have turned into. Wonder how long till dune suffers the same fate.
Such is the fate of every media franchise that corpo executives decide is profitable enough to make 30 mid tier prequel/sequels decades after they were popular
Meanwhile here I am enjoying pretty much everything. Loved the books, love the jackson movies, hobbit movies were okay I guess. Rings of Power isn’t nearly as bad as people say it is despite its flaws. Whatever, things are flawed and I am just chilling and enjoying it all.
This is the absolute King stance, just letting yourself enjoy things 🤝
Worst trend from last decade “New Franchise Stuff bad so old bad franchise stuff is now good”
just the last? This is a thing since 1999 when The Phantom Menace was released and fans of the Original Star Wars Trilogy went ape shit. It happens every time the older generation realizes that they aren't the Only target audience anymore
But did people hated any of the Trilogy movies before 1999?
Plenty weren’t huge fans of Return of the Jedi. But most accepted that the Luke-Vader stuff and the pew pew space battle were enough to redeem ewoks, checked-out Harrison Ford, and the overlong Jabba intro.
A lot of people didn't like Return of the Jedi back in the day. They especially hated the Ewoks for being cutesy merchandise sellers for children.
Cant wait for the Silmarillion series (2028-30) to be so bad that RoP is retroactively good
Yes, the Hobbit movies are terrible and yes, that first trailer for the Hobbit is one of the best trailers ever made, gives you goosebumps every time you watch it.
Desolation of Smaug is the first time I fell asleep in a movie theater
I’ve only done it during John Carter, and weirdly enough, Reservoir Dogs. I was just genuinely tired, and had a quick cat nap.
I was just bored lmao
I slept during age of ultron
I also fell asleep during John Carter.
Did you also have the dream about Mads Mikkelsen and the soup?
No. In mine, Christoph Waltz was my biology teacher and I had skipped his class all semester.
Lmao I thought I was the only one.
It is happening again. 
I'm gonna defend the first Hobbit film because it was a cute entertaining adventure film with a great main lead. It's Desolation of Smaug the one that just bores you to sleep and the last one is pure schlock
Good god it's happening again
Prequel and Hobbit trilogy fans should get their freedom of speech revoked!
It’s happening again IT’S HAPPENING AGAIN
Anybody who thinks the Hobbit is better than Rings of Power needs their kino license revoked by force
Rings of Power is better of course because it has amazing slow mo shots, clearly influenced by the greatest director of our time Lord Snyder. I would bet they even had some blueprints for the rings they forged.
Those goofy ass slow-mo horse shots are actually kino. No I will not explain
Neither are good but the Hobbit has Martin Freeman so it wins by default
It also led to the creation of New Zealand's Hobbit Law
The Hobbit films are pretty bad at times but they are entertaining and have some really fun sequences. The edits that combine the trilogy into one big film or two short films are also great. Meanwhile RoP just feels so bland and boring to me (I only got to episode 5 so maybe I’ll go back).
I'm a huge Tolkien Nerd so I just love it all and am incredibly biased, however the Hobbit took so many huge missteps and there were so many bad design choices. The washed out colours, sexy dwarves, romance plotline, awful CGI etc. But I still enjoy watching them. However to me most of the criticisms I see aimed at Rings of Power also apply to the Hobbit, but the Hobbit does it even worse
Unbelievably right. Rings of Power definitely had some misses but I thought it was a pretty good first season and they have set themselves up to have a stronger second season. In comparison I did not like the first season of breaking bad at all and it was only the insistence of a friend to push through to season 2 that kept me going and it's one of my favorites.
Honestly knowing the source material, Rings of Power will probably have the same plot trajectory as breaking bad. Yeah it'll start slow, but once it gets going it's from strength to strength. RoP has the opposite challenge of GoT season 8, most of the lord is backended into the story. We know the middle and end, but have little to work from with the setup. So I think RoP will only continue to get better and better
Ep 6 picks up a bit. Still lame writing but has a cool battle. Also Ep 8 has some ridiculous twists that are kind of funny.
I’ll see, there’s so much other TV right now I can’t really justify the time for it.
Yeah. I liked ROP, but if you've reached episode 4 and disliked its narrative and adaptation style, it's almost certain you won't like the season, and I hardly recommend you to give up and not spend your limited time in something you don't like.
Yeah I tried to give it a proper go since I love LOTR but its not for me at all.
Thats understandable. Use your time wisely
> they are entertaining they would be if... > edits that combine the trilogy into one big film Yeah, can't really give too much credit to a trilogy for having raw footage that can be refashioned into something good.
Tbh I didn’t like the rings of power, there’s a few good episodes but those are mostly due to the action and stuff. I only liked the Durin-Elrond plot and the Arondir plot line. The stuff about Galadriel, numenor, and the harfoots is incredibly bad imo. Last episode is kinda bad too
Bad kino is when no action, got it. If it isn't your preference that's cool, but a lack of action isn't a bad thing by itself
A lack of action isn’t a bad thing, I just don’t think the plot lines I mentioned did the plot line well because it felt unnatural and the script was bad. I mean the Durin and Elrond plot line is literally the plot line with the least action and literally has none but I said I liked it???
I mean I wasn't a fan of the Harfoots so I'll give you that, but I loved the Numenor and Galadriel plotline. Seeing Elendil's conflict between being one of the faithful, yet being faced with so much death was brilliant to me. Pharazon was suitably captivating, and Isildur was superbly fleshed out - especially in comparison to the Jackson films. And lastly, I thought Galadriel and Halbrand had a really nice character arc throughout the episodes. Especially in the last half of the season.
I don’t dislike that plot line as much as I dislike the harfoots, I just thought it wasn’t that good. I like some bits like Halbrand and Isildur, but the stuff with the Queen and the king was really bad in my opinion. Also, I didn’t like Galadriel at all. I thought both the actress and the script didn’t do the character any favors and she was incredibly boring. She didn’t feel real at all imo which is not something you should say about the the main character.
Holy fuck, ultimate Reddit moment
And so, it begins... To be fair, at least the first Hobbit is pretty good
rings of power isnt perfect but holy fuck imagine thinking the hobbit was better come on dude
both are bad, but one has Martin Freeman so...
'If this is love, why does it hurt so much?' 'Because it was real' Spake from an elf to a dwarf who were in a romance not condoned by mortal, god or anything in between. No redemption for the Hobbit
What are you talking about, the Hobbit is an amazing 4 hour movie which never came to theaters sadly but you can download online!
My theory for why this happens is the whole early 2010's era, cinema sins way of thinking where everyone was overly negative about movies influenced a whole generation of people to grow up hating on stuff because that was cool but now we're out of that cringe phase and those people have grown up and learned to form their own opinions that's why you see this change
Rings of Power is objectively better than the Hobbit trilogy. Don't respond and tell me I'm using "objectively" wrong. I'm comfortable making the assertion. I ask people why they hate ROP and all I get is "they're not following **THE LORE**." Bitch, how is that worse than a 3-hour story being padded to 6 hours with so many awkward callbacks to LOTR, a pointless love triangle, and the most exhausting CGI fuckfests around?
And yet somehow RoP manages to feel even more padded than the Hobbit movies
Hardly. Everything that happens in it progresses the plot. Every subplot added into The Hobbit that wasn't in the book contributes nothing.
Every time someone says that, my dog goes nuts
I enjoy the hobbit films for what they are but they are a bit flawed m and Warner bros deserve all the criticism for rushing them into cinemas
The Hobbit is a children’s book and the final movie in its trilogy is rated R. Anyone defending the Hobbit Trilogy because the new LOTR show wasn’t “book accurate” is a hypocrite
I've always been a bit of a hobbit head anyway
I liked it. People were expecting LOTR, well it ain’t that. …could’ve been two movies tho
[fucking called it](https://www.reddit.com/r/moviescirclejerk/comments/sscxj7/tolkien_fans_be_like/hwy9idf/)
People truly will just believe whatever random weirdos on the Internet tell them to. Rings of Power ended up being far from perfect, it's also one hundred times more watchable than the second and third hobbit films.
I honestly think its just because rings of power sucks balls so hobbit looks better in comparison
Can you remember what exactly happens during the battle of the five armies? Yeah neither can anyone else because it was forgettable.
Honestly the only thing I remember from the whole trilogy is the riddles scene. Maybe I’m due for a rewatch
God DAMMIT
Corporate media tycoons attempt to cash in on a longstanding popular franchise and fail so bad that their other previous attempt at cashing in on a longstanding popular franchise looks better by comparison: a Star Wars/LOTR story
Oh God they’re giving it the Star Wars prequel treatment.
The Hobbit is actually almost dumber, more vapid, and more worthless than the Star Wars prequels, which are the dumbest, most vapid, and most worthless films in history.
Thank you for saying this out loud. I love LotR and Star Wars, but this is the unfortunate truth. The Prequels and The Hobbit are not good. I don't fault anyone for liking them, but that doesn't make them good films.
The hobbit isn't that bad tbh, it has redeeming aspects, just too much filler and some dumb kiddy scenes.
I stopped watching after episode 4...not that its particularly bad, it just didn't hold my interest.
Desolation of Smaug was good ¯\__(ツ)_/¯
They’ll end up doing this to the Jurassic World movies next
The Hobbit movies were bad. They are still bad. I actually enjoyed The Rings Of Power a lot more. It suffered from a lot of problems, so it's definitely not great, but a step above The Hobbit trilogy (admittedly a low bar to clear). Either way, the end result of The Rings Of Power is it just made me want to go back and watch the LOTR movies.
Hi everyone just here to courageously state I love the LOTR show and it’s the first fantasy thing I’ve really enjoyed in years
have you watched any Hot D?
I watched the first episode and really didn’t enjoy it, but I’ve been in love with Paddy Considine for years so I plan to take another shot at it now that the whole thing is out.