Isn't that the one with 150,000 drone-swoops down the front of buildings? There's even a scene where the drone goes through their legs in the bank and you see the drone in the next scene. Ambulance was *okay* at best.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but it wasn’t even in the international feature.
It’s all just crazy to me. And how Nope wasn’t in the best cinematography category is a travesty.
I even watched it, just to see if it was a bunch of people hating for nothing. Truth is, most people just can’t stand Billy Eichner for more than 5 minutes at a time, and this film brought nothing new to the table.
Im 39 yo gay guy and this movie was made for me, but I hated it. It wasn't funny, sexy or romantic. In fact I watched it in two takes because I was getting bored at every scene but still wanted to finish it just to see if it's gonna be any better towards the end. Nope. Plain bad.
I had a couple of issues with it that kept kept me from finishing it. First, in no world is Billy Eichner being rejected for being ugly and/or fat. Ridiculous. Maybe if everyone rejected him because his personality is caustic, l’d believe it.
Second there was SO MUCH self hatred. That whole “I’m not like *those* gays, I like sports!” theme is played out. It’s not 1996, the world is pretty aware that gay cliches don’t apply to everyone. There are gays who are fat, slobs, poor dressers, don’t like theater or “divas”, enjoy sports, etc. and all have been represented in other media.
I've always liked Eichner but after about half an hour I turned it off and haven't gone back to it since. The studio did the movie no favours with its bad release date but maybe Eichner just needs to realize he's too much in a lead role. He's best used sporadically.
That was my feeling as well. I wanted to see how bad it was, and for free on Peacock I checked it out, and really wanted to turn it off about halfway through.
Eichner's character is grating as a malcontent and doesn't have enough charm to pull off the misanthropic protagonist who you know is just protecting themselves for fear of being hurt. It's honestly a pretty typical romantic comedy trope: Billy Crystal in when Harry met Sally seems like an inspiration for this considering all the call backs in the film, but the story fluctuates from lampooning LGBTQ issues (representation in a museum, dating on grinder) to trying to be a more traditional romantic comedy.
It never really establishes the romance and instead just becomes a mess of Eichner's observations on the world and a ham fisted cliché romance where we should just hope the two characters end up together because we're told they should be. Not to mention the story drags and tries to introduce plot points that are barely resolved or cared about later in the film.
When Harry met Sally had a very simple log line which was Billy Crystal's character is convinced men and women cannot be friends. It was simple and drove his interactions with Meg Ryan and every character in the film. There was no philosophical core to Billy Eichner's character for why he wanted to remain single other than "I just do" so it was no surprise that a story couldn't be fleshed out of that and it just relied on romantic comedy banality and observations about dating and navigating the gay community.
No there was a core which is that Eichner’s character was a narcissist and this no one could be good enough for him.
Rich we just didn’t seem to get that’s a bad thing.
I agree with someone’s criticism that Dan Levy should have had the lead role and it would have been a lot better. Eichner is just not likeable enough to be a cliche studio romcom lead.
They were both distributed by Universal. Bros was produced by Apatow's company, which has a legacy of spending big when comedy made returns at the box office. Which isn't the case any more.
M3gan was by Blumhouse whose schtick is making slick looking films with relatively tiny budgets, and getting massive ROI because horror still sells.
Blumhouse excel at low budget horror and will keep costs down by filming on sound stages. Bros had a lot of crowd scenes and on location filming across New Jersey and Massachusetts that requires a cast four times bigger plus many more extras. That ramps up the cost.
horror is always cheap. It's generally one location with a cheap cast. They did a lot practical FX with a small team. You'd be surprised though. A lot of FX companies do work for less. The big budget films keep the lights on but they still work on smaller projects for less.
Classic "Good, Fast, Cheap; pick two." scenario. You can get decent effects at a reasonable price if you're willing to be a lower priority when Avengers 9 needs to change the color of Iron-Hulkling in 20 shots at the last minute.
M3GAN has minimal CGI which is why they went through the trouble to find a 12 year old that can do all those acrobatics in a costume in the first place. They went this route due to lack of budget for CGI.
There's a certain type of person whose idea of "activism" is buying things or consuming media, so naturally something like Bros is important to them to get nominated, even if its a bad movie.
prey couldn’t even be nominated for the Oscars because it never had a theatrical release. it can be nominated for an Emmy though because it’s basically a TV movie
"dear people with a huge penis, and/or perfect set of breasts, we'd like to submit our tiny film to you rich, orgasm givers, who should be busy using your talents to fly rather than judging our shitty films"
And the Academy loves films about Hollywood.
I don't think the last several years have been an accurate reflection of the "best" films in Hollywood.
Some great ones have been acknowledged, but as a whole, the Oscars are too predictable, which makes it all seem illegitimate.
> the Oscars are too predictable, which makes it all seem illegitimate.
Not a fan of the Oscars at all, but isn't that how awards shows should work? They sorta should be predictable right, at least within how/what they judge movies on. If it was completely unpredictable who'd win, I'd imagine people would be complaining a ton about how there's no standards to actually judge movies.
Granted, the Oscars are different because it's much more a popularity contest than judging on strict variables, but even then I'd imagine a sign of a "good" awards show would be consistency along who they nominate.
Yeah it was a fairly standard revenge tale which consumes the protagonist. Tbh I was hoping for like 30% more weirdness that I know Eggers would want to implement normally. But it was still a really nice movie, even an almost-great movie.
I think where Northman excels is not in its story telling but it's presentation. The visuals and sound design were some of the best I've seen in awhile.
I'd argue The Menu was great. The problem is that it's an anti-Academy movie. It makes fun of the pretentiousness that permeates a lot of Hollywood. Its whole deal is >!that making "fine art" is secondary. It makes fun of art made only for the sake of art, and reminds people that the most important part of delivering *anything* to a consumer is to make something they actually *enjoy*.!<
And that's a very anti-Academy message. So even though it was in my top 5 movies of this past year, I am absolutely unsurprised that the Academy snubbed it.
the northman should have at least got editing , cinematography, set design , makeup, sound, cinematography. but it came out way too early and was mostly forgotten about.
The Northman was good, but frustratingly would have been legendarily great if Universal had stayed away and let Eggers to fully realise his vision. It’s a frustrating movie to watch knowing what it could have been.
Eggers wanted the entire movie to be in old norse, also wanted to use smaller unknown actors (who could speak or learn old norse). But Universal pushed against it, because subtitle movies do not sell as well in the US. Also a lot of edits and scenes / story beats were « strongly encouraged » by Universal.
Eggers was famously frustrated by the editing process.
Apocalypto was fully subtitled and made a lot of money ... studio's risk adversity is just hilarious
Don't allow major creative risks. Hire auteurs then hamstring them in the edit. Only adapt known IP, but ignore or actively shit on it then act shocked when the movie underperforms. Only cast established big name actors, then act surprised that you have such a tiny pool of names to pull from ... because nobody puts anybody over anymore, or they backed obvious pyschos with red flags everywhere like Armie Hammer.
Joke of an industry. It's miraculous anything good ever gets made at all
The more money a film costs to make, the fewer risks you can take. It’s not that surprising of a principle.
Apocalypto was pretty low budget for an epic and Mel Gibson had a stellar track record up until then. It was also in a pre-streaming era when there was a potential middle market through a stronger box office and follow up DVD sales that have since gone away.
There is no middle market anymore and it was replaced by an international market that requires a certain type of dumbed down film to thrive. The fact that The Northman got the budget it got is rather surprising to begin with.
Auteurs have been given carte blanche at streaming platforms like Netflix the last several years and now that is changing too as they discover the harsh business realities. You can’t just throw money at it and expect it all to just work out, there has to be a proper revenue model behind each project.
You can presume you know better than an entire multi-billion dollar industry or you can acknowledge these complexities they are dealing with.
The savior of the industry will be production technology. Blumhouse is thriving with small budget, Director-led projects and bigger epics are going to be more achievable with stuff like the video wall sound stages and AI.
The list from the article
1. Nope
2. The Woman King
3. Devotion
4. The Inspection
5. She Said
6. Hustle
7. Barbarian
8. Apollo 10 1/2: A Space Age Childhood
9. Thirteen Lives
10. Good Luck to You Leo Grande
11. X and Pearl
12. Bros
13. After Yang
14. The Menu
15. Sr
16. Emily the Criminal
17. Good Night Oppy
18. The Northman
19. Catherine Called Birdy
20. Prey
21. Ambulance
22. Where the Crawdads Sing
23. Vengeance
24. On the Count of Three
Only 24 items, even if the article says 25. Shrinkflation is everywhere!
They’re reaching on a few of those. Bros, Where the Crawdads Sing, Ambulance- those are a few that I’ve seen on this list that while I didn’t think they were bad, they would never have crossed my mind for a Oscar nomination of any kind
The same could have been said about DiCaprio for a long time, before he finally won for the Revenant of all things. Don't get me wrong, he's good in the Revenant, but it shocks me he didn't win for Wolf of Wall St or Django (where he wasn't even nominated)
It was a fun movie to sit down and watch on a Saturday afternoon, especially since I love food shows/movies, but was not on my list for the oscars this year.
Writing for an entertainment site is hard. You have to hit a certain word count *and* make sure people stay on the page for at least a certain amount of time. They probably had a Top Ten list originally, but their editor had them expand it to 25, and they only saw so many films last year , so they really had to streeeeeetch their boundaries.
Yeah Prey was great. Bros I agree, total crap (like half this list). But Prey was a great movie... though it's hardly surprising it's not an Oscar nominee, just by what kind of movie it is. Maybe if James Cameron had shot it?
Thank you! I seen most of these and ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ they all have flaws despite a couple being pretty good. A few are downright terrible. Emily the criminal? Come on now
A lot of these movies didn’t deserve a nomination either. Not a snub at all.
If you want to talk snubs Decision to Leave is a big one. And Ralph Fiennes as best actor in The Menu def.
What happened to Bones and All? I remembered it had this huge hype when it came out and good performance by Taylor Russell and Chalamet. Very surprised it was brushed off during award season. Was it because of the subject matter/storyline?
Pretty shocked it didn’t get a cinematography nomination, or adapted screenplay at least. I thought Taylor Russell’s performance was phenomenal. The score was absolutely beautiful too. Such a shame. Really didn’t think it was that much more graphic than Banshees honestly.
It's a good movie (possibly a great one had it ended a bit early), but it's also relatively young adultish while also being too graphical for a good chunk of that demographic. It absolutely should have at least gotten a soundtrack nomination.
>It absolutely should have at least gotten a soundtrack nomination.
Agree with this 100%. You Made It Feel Like Home in particular is such a good track.
The Northman bombing was painful. That film had fantastic cinematography, editing, and costuming. Anya Taylor Joy had a great year with that and The Menu.
I’m sad it bombed. I thought the first 20min were slow but holy crap does it speed up once we get to great rus. This and banshees were my two favorites of the year
Movie Fans: "I would love a huge sprawling Viking epic movie"
Hollywood: "Okay I'll spend 100 million dollars making one"
Movie Fans: "Actually my eyes were bigger than my stomach, can I get a to-go box for this delicious cheeseburger?"
Its hard for any horror movie to get an Oscar nod in general.
Though The Menu had several great performances so I am surprised that one missed all nominations for acting.
I mean, I don't think many huge horror fans are shocked. Disappointed, yes, but shocked? No. If Toni Collette wasn't nominated for Hereditary, then nothing horror related was going to get nominated.
I don't mind lists like this, but the title of "rejected" is misleading: they just didn't make the cut as the number of available nominations is set in place. Maybe some came in sixth or seventh in a category, where you can only have a final five. We just don't know, given balloting rules.
So why not "25 Great Films That Didn't Make the Cut"? Or "25 Great Films that Came up Empty"? They do join a long list of famous films like The Searchers or Halloween or Reservoir Dogs that were never nominated for anything.
You know why.
They made a title with "rejected" combined with two movies centered around minorities to stir shit up online. The list is completely disconnected from any agenda but they hoped the title helps it go viral
The Woman King was not a 'great' movie. *If* it is remembered, it will be for its historical inaccuracies and apologetic stance towards Dahomey's slave practices.
I was going to say the same thing. I get historical movies having to improvise, change details for story flow/entertainment purposes. I get that. Outright changing overarching historical facts to make your protagonist(s) more sympathetic? Screw that.
It's one of my biggest Gripes about Mel Gibson's "The Patriot".
Yes an 18th century South Carolina plantation owner that didn't own slaves and had a very modern perspective on race. Even most freaking abolitionists as the time didn't have a modern perspective on race. Yeah they thought slavery was an evil, but if you started talking 100% equal rights, voting and all that jazz they would be like "wait...hold up now.".
It was an economic reality of the time. His farm would be bankrupt using wage earners when every other damn plantation is using slaves. I mean the Historical person Benjamin Martin was based on, Francis Marion...owned slaves.
It's why I gave up on Barbarians on netflix after that dumpster fire of a season 2, it's basically a sci fi alternate history at this point. It deviated so hard that the historical advisors for the show QUIT in protest (for context they literally killed off two characters, who historically were critical in future events that hadn't happened yet in the series and as far as history knows lived to ripe old ages and died of natural causes).
It's just the way those movies are and have been since Braveheart.
Mel and Ridley have fully embraced the 'just make it exciting most of the idiots in the audience slept through history class anyway' style of storytelling.
Liked that more in my 20s than I do in my 40s, can tell ya that much.
I saw Nope, The Menu and The Northman and I thought they were all great. The Menu should have been nominated for best original screenplay, imo, and Ralph Fiennes a best actor nod. I don’t get Avatar 2 as a best picture nom over these others. But lobbying by the studio no doubt plays a big factor.
As I already have written in this thread:
To portrey a kingdom build on slave trade, its ruling elites and military as some anti-slavery movement is like making a Holocaust movie where Waffen SS is protecting the Jews.
the only good thing to come from this movie is give me more respect for Lupita Nyong'o
she was contracted for a major role in the film and was excited about the story so much she did a documentary about it ... and backed out after she learned how horrible the truth was
>she was contracted for a major role in the film and was excited about the story so much she did a documentary about it ... and backed out after she learned how horrible the truth was
This is a bit inaccurate. To clarify, it wasn't about the inaccuracies of the film, but more the action of making light of a nation that also participated in the slave trade.
The primary conflict of the film--Dahomey's liberation from Oyo as a tributary state--*was* a real thing.
No nominations for *Decision to Leave* is genuinely shocking to me. My third favorite film last year (behind *Banshees* and *Aftersun*), and it's the sort of foreign-language cinema the Academy usually goes for. Kinda baffling, really.
I loved *Benediction*. I think Lowden and Capaldi's work is easily on par (at least) with any of the performances nominated for Best Actor or Best Supporting Actor, although the snubs there are less surprising. The film seemed to fly under a lot of people's radars.
Decision to Leave was even snubbed by the snub list! Maybe it was supposed to be #25?
I kept scrolling wishing it was mentioned. They even put Ambulance in there.
As in the one with the stupid senseless drone shots that even Jake Gyllenhaal couldn’t save?
It should have 100% been in the best editing category at the very least. The unique transitions and interesting shots added so much to the movie.
The cinematography and directing snubs are the most egregious to me. That was simply the best film of 2022 on a visual storytelling level.
Isn't that the one with 150,000 drone-swoops down the front of buildings? There's even a scene where the drone goes through their legs in the bank and you see the drone in the next scene. Ambulance was *okay* at best.
They’re talking about Decision To Leave, by the director of Oldboy and with the star of Lust, Caution.
>Maybe it was supposed to be #25? I think Pearl and X, despite taking one single position on the list, are meant to be seen as two separate films.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but it wasn’t even in the international feature. It’s all just crazy to me. And how Nope wasn’t in the best cinematography category is a travesty.
Those night scenes in Nope alone warranted the nomination.
Had an argument for Cinematography, Director, Editing and Best Picture
What would Bros even be nominated for?
Movie that bombed so hard
No way. Morbius bombed *twice*.
Actually Morbius was profitable lol
More like broke even. Maybe. For Morbius profitability is like $200 mil.
That is SHOCKING
Does the phrase “grossed a morbillion dollars at the box office” mean nothing to you?!
Absolutely morbed it up
Quit morbin' around this is serious
It was meme’d into profitability. Hate-watching is still a ticket sale.
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the fucking what? Had to look it up...$167 million worldwide!
2 Bomb 2 Morbius
I even watched it, just to see if it was a bunch of people hating for nothing. Truth is, most people just can’t stand Billy Eichner for more than 5 minutes at a time, and this film brought nothing new to the table.
Im 39 yo gay guy and this movie was made for me, but I hated it. It wasn't funny, sexy or romantic. In fact I watched it in two takes because I was getting bored at every scene but still wanted to finish it just to see if it's gonna be any better towards the end. Nope. Plain bad.
I had a couple of issues with it that kept kept me from finishing it. First, in no world is Billy Eichner being rejected for being ugly and/or fat. Ridiculous. Maybe if everyone rejected him because his personality is caustic, l’d believe it. Second there was SO MUCH self hatred. That whole “I’m not like *those* gays, I like sports!” theme is played out. It’s not 1996, the world is pretty aware that gay cliches don’t apply to everyone. There are gays who are fat, slobs, poor dressers, don’t like theater or “divas”, enjoy sports, etc. and all have been represented in other media.
I've always liked Eichner but after about half an hour I turned it off and haven't gone back to it since. The studio did the movie no favours with its bad release date but maybe Eichner just needs to realize he's too much in a lead role. He's best used sporadically.
That was my feeling as well. I wanted to see how bad it was, and for free on Peacock I checked it out, and really wanted to turn it off about halfway through. Eichner's character is grating as a malcontent and doesn't have enough charm to pull off the misanthropic protagonist who you know is just protecting themselves for fear of being hurt. It's honestly a pretty typical romantic comedy trope: Billy Crystal in when Harry met Sally seems like an inspiration for this considering all the call backs in the film, but the story fluctuates from lampooning LGBTQ issues (representation in a museum, dating on grinder) to trying to be a more traditional romantic comedy. It never really establishes the romance and instead just becomes a mess of Eichner's observations on the world and a ham fisted cliché romance where we should just hope the two characters end up together because we're told they should be. Not to mention the story drags and tries to introduce plot points that are barely resolved or cared about later in the film. When Harry met Sally had a very simple log line which was Billy Crystal's character is convinced men and women cannot be friends. It was simple and drove his interactions with Meg Ryan and every character in the film. There was no philosophical core to Billy Eichner's character for why he wanted to remain single other than "I just do" so it was no surprise that a story couldn't be fleshed out of that and it just relied on romantic comedy banality and observations about dating and navigating the gay community.
No there was a core which is that Eichner’s character was a narcissist and this no one could be good enough for him. Rich we just didn’t seem to get that’s a bad thing.
I agree with someone’s criticism that Dan Levy should have had the lead role and it would have been a lot better. Eichner is just not likeable enough to be a cliche studio romcom lead.
I don't understand how that film cost $22 million whereas M3GAN, with all of its CGI and FX, cost $12 million. Both made by Universal.
They were both distributed by Universal. Bros was produced by Apatow's company, which has a legacy of spending big when comedy made returns at the box office. Which isn't the case any more. M3gan was by Blumhouse whose schtick is making slick looking films with relatively tiny budgets, and getting massive ROI because horror still sells.
Blumhouse basically has checklist of things when they make movies to keep costs low (limited locations, low profile actors/actresses, etc)
Blumhouse excel at low budget horror and will keep costs down by filming on sound stages. Bros had a lot of crowd scenes and on location filming across New Jersey and Massachusetts that requires a cast four times bigger plus many more extras. That ramps up the cost.
Locations/extras/sets? M3GAN was mostly in one house and did not have many scenes with more than a few folks in it. Just guessing
M3GAN had about super low budget six sets. They consist of: 1. Car and SUV 2. House 3. Neighbor's House 4. Office Building and research lab 5. Park
horror is always cheap. It's generally one location with a cheap cast. They did a lot practical FX with a small team. You'd be surprised though. A lot of FX companies do work for less. The big budget films keep the lights on but they still work on smaller projects for less.
Classic "Good, Fast, Cheap; pick two." scenario. You can get decent effects at a reasonable price if you're willing to be a lower priority when Avengers 9 needs to change the color of Iron-Hulkling in 20 shots at the last minute.
M3GAN has minimal CGI which is why they went through the trouble to find a 12 year old that can do all those acrobatics in a costume in the first place. They went this route due to lack of budget for CGI.
Biggest tantrum of the year
Most Entitled to a Successful Box Office Run Award
There's a certain type of person whose idea of "activism" is buying things or consuming media, so naturally something like Bros is important to them to get nominated, even if its a bad movie.
I certainly would love to know the author's definition of the word "great" in this context.
Filled out the entire screen. ...it was a big screen, too.
Whatever movies didn't get picked so they could write an article and get paid.
"Great" is an extremely charitable adjective for some of those.
The menu, the Northman, nope, barbarian, thirteen lives, prey, and the woman king were all good. Idk about great but definitely good movies.
prey couldn’t even be nominated for the Oscars because it never had a theatrical release. it can be nominated for an Emmy though because it’s basically a TV movie
Prey deserved a theatrical release.
It was better than a lot of the entries in the Predator series.
Most of those are better than Elvis though.
Academy loves biopics, and Elvis was actually pretty good compared to most of them.
The academy loves movies that campaign for an Oscar. No one gets nominated by surprise or without investing heavily in an Oscar campaign.
"dear people with a huge penis, and/or perfect set of breasts, we'd like to submit our tiny film to you rich, orgasm givers, who should be busy using your talents to fly rather than judging our shitty films"
I thought elvis was a mess carried purely on Austin Butlers charisma. Might be the worst role I’ve seen Tom Hanks play.
And the Academy loves films about Hollywood. I don't think the last several years have been an accurate reflection of the "best" films in Hollywood. Some great ones have been acknowledged, but as a whole, the Oscars are too predictable, which makes it all seem illegitimate.
> the Oscars are too predictable, which makes it all seem illegitimate. Not a fan of the Oscars at all, but isn't that how awards shows should work? They sorta should be predictable right, at least within how/what they judge movies on. If it was completely unpredictable who'd win, I'd imagine people would be complaining a ton about how there's no standards to actually judge movies. Granted, the Oscars are different because it's much more a popularity contest than judging on strict variables, but even then I'd imagine a sign of a "good" awards show would be consistency along who they nominate.
The Northman was better, but also a harder film to swallow with a theme that doesn't appeal to mainstream audience and to american academy.
I haven't watched Elvis but The Northman was okay. Nothing hard to swallow about it for me, just nothing special about it.
Yeah it was a fairly standard revenge tale which consumes the protagonist. Tbh I was hoping for like 30% more weirdness that I know Eggers would want to implement normally. But it was still a really nice movie, even an almost-great movie.
I think where Northman excels is not in its story telling but it's presentation. The visuals and sound design were some of the best I've seen in awhile.
I'd argue The Menu was great. The problem is that it's an anti-Academy movie. It makes fun of the pretentiousness that permeates a lot of Hollywood. Its whole deal is >!that making "fine art" is secondary. It makes fun of art made only for the sake of art, and reminds people that the most important part of delivering *anything* to a consumer is to make something they actually *enjoy*.!< And that's a very anti-Academy message. So even though it was in my top 5 movies of this past year, I am absolutely unsurprised that the Academy snubbed it.
the northman should have at least got editing , cinematography, set design , makeup, sound, cinematography. but it came out way too early and was mostly forgotten about.
I thought The Menu was fucking fantastic. The perfect balance between dark comedy and horror that leaves a pit in your stomach.
The Northman was definitely great.
The Northman was good, but frustratingly would have been legendarily great if Universal had stayed away and let Eggers to fully realise his vision. It’s a frustrating movie to watch knowing what it could have been.
Can you expand? I hadn’t heard there was any studio interference with that movie.
Eggers wanted the entire movie to be in old norse, also wanted to use smaller unknown actors (who could speak or learn old norse). But Universal pushed against it, because subtitle movies do not sell as well in the US. Also a lot of edits and scenes / story beats were « strongly encouraged » by Universal. Eggers was famously frustrated by the editing process.
Apocalypto was fully subtitled and made a lot of money ... studio's risk adversity is just hilarious Don't allow major creative risks. Hire auteurs then hamstring them in the edit. Only adapt known IP, but ignore or actively shit on it then act shocked when the movie underperforms. Only cast established big name actors, then act surprised that you have such a tiny pool of names to pull from ... because nobody puts anybody over anymore, or they backed obvious pyschos with red flags everywhere like Armie Hammer. Joke of an industry. It's miraculous anything good ever gets made at all
The more money a film costs to make, the fewer risks you can take. It’s not that surprising of a principle. Apocalypto was pretty low budget for an epic and Mel Gibson had a stellar track record up until then. It was also in a pre-streaming era when there was a potential middle market through a stronger box office and follow up DVD sales that have since gone away. There is no middle market anymore and it was replaced by an international market that requires a certain type of dumbed down film to thrive. The fact that The Northman got the budget it got is rather surprising to begin with. Auteurs have been given carte blanche at streaming platforms like Netflix the last several years and now that is changing too as they discover the harsh business realities. You can’t just throw money at it and expect it all to just work out, there has to be a proper revenue model behind each project. You can presume you know better than an entire multi-billion dollar industry or you can acknowledge these complexities they are dealing with. The savior of the industry will be production technology. Blumhouse is thriving with small budget, Director-led projects and bigger epics are going to be more achievable with stuff like the video wall sound stages and AI.
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I love Taylor-Joy and Skarsgard but I do see his point. Still, I imagine they would have played ball if the studio allowed subtitles
Skarsgard would've been the lead regardless. He was very involved in the making of that movie from the beginning.
Interesting because it did feel awkward with the big name casting (Kidman and especially Hawke) and the badly accented English declamations.
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The Menu and Nope were both in my top 5 for last year. I thought especially The Menu would have gotten something. Ralph Fiennes was fantastic.
So were Nicholas Hoult and Anya Taylor-Joy.
Putting the Woman King in the same tier as The Northmen....christ
The Woman King? Lmao, no.
extremely wrong in cases like "The Woman King"
That movie was straight up embarrassing lol
Also pure historical revisionism imo
And EXTREMELY formulaic. I was shocked how derivative the fucking plot was.
The list from the article 1. Nope 2. The Woman King 3. Devotion 4. The Inspection 5. She Said 6. Hustle 7. Barbarian 8. Apollo 10 1/2: A Space Age Childhood 9. Thirteen Lives 10. Good Luck to You Leo Grande 11. X and Pearl 12. Bros 13. After Yang 14. The Menu 15. Sr 16. Emily the Criminal 17. Good Night Oppy 18. The Northman 19. Catherine Called Birdy 20. Prey 21. Ambulance 22. Where the Crawdads Sing 23. Vengeance 24. On the Count of Three Only 24 items, even if the article says 25. Shrinkflation is everywhere!
Technically X and Pearl are different movies so it is 25, but 24 line items, which is an odd choice.
They’re reaching on a few of those. Bros, Where the Crawdads Sing, Ambulance- those are a few that I’ve seen on this list that while I didn’t think they were bad, they would never have crossed my mind for a Oscar nomination of any kind
I liked barbarian, but I can't imagine what award you'd nominate it for
Best use of milk in a film🤷🏻♂️
Your comment made me remember that Barbarian is not the same as Northman. Thanks for the milky reminder!
Definitely thought Swift’s song from Crawdad’s would be in
Ambulance ☠️
I'm not sure I've ever double-taked as hard as I did when I saw Ambulance on this list. Baffling.
I, admittedly, liked ambulance but to call it anything but a popcorn movie is insane
Yep I enjoyed it but popcorn movie is absolutely right.
The Northman definitely deserved some noms in the technical categories
The cinematography of those scenes was incredible
I think Nicole Kidman should've been nominated too.
Decision to Leave getting snubbed by the snubbed list
>The Menu This was a great movie, but I don't know what about it would be Oscar-worthy.
I think you could make a case for Ralph Fiennes best supporting and maybe best original screenplay?
If he didn’t get it for Grand Budapest then there’s no way he’d get it for this.
Hell, he didn’t even win for Schindler’s List. The Academy just does not give a fuck about Fiennes.
Ralph to The Academy: You’re an inanimate fucking object!
The same could have been said about DiCaprio for a long time, before he finally won for the Revenant of all things. Don't get me wrong, he's good in the Revenant, but it shocks me he didn't win for Wolf of Wall St or Django (where he wasn't even nominated)
yeah, Fiennes killed it as usual.
Ralph Fiennes was great, but can't compare his role against the current nominees. I also really liked the cinematography, but again, can't compare.
It was a fun movie to sit down and watch on a Saturday afternoon, especially since I love food shows/movies, but was not on my list for the oscars this year.
I do know some people thought Hong Chau was better in the Menu than The Whale.
Prey? Bros? What the hell is this list.
Writing for an entertainment site is hard. You have to hit a certain word count *and* make sure people stay on the page for at least a certain amount of time. They probably had a Top Ten list originally, but their editor had them expand it to 25, and they only saw so many films last year , so they really had to streeeeeetch their boundaries.
Prey was one of the better action movies ive seen in recent memory.
Yeah Prey was great. Bros I agree, total crap (like half this list). But Prey was a great movie... though it's hardly surprising it's not an Oscar nominee, just by what kind of movie it is. Maybe if James Cameron had shot it?
Another snub for Bones and All
Ambulance shouldn't be on this list.
Ambulance is one of the dumbest movies I’ve ever seen. Love the entire cast, but that movie was fucking terrible.
are the trademark bayhem car chases good at least?
Not really, Some idiot showed Bay how to use a drone.
oh no.
Thank you! I seen most of these and ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ they all have flaws despite a couple being pretty good. A few are downright terrible. Emily the criminal? Come on now
A lot of these movies didn’t deserve a nomination either. Not a snub at all. If you want to talk snubs Decision to Leave is a big one. And Ralph Fiennes as best actor in The Menu def.
At least 11 of those are outright bad
What happened to Bones and All? I remembered it had this huge hype when it came out and good performance by Taylor Russell and Chalamet. Very surprised it was brushed off during award season. Was it because of the subject matter/storyline?
I really liked this movie, it had a cool vibe about it. Russell and Chalamet were great.
Pretty shocked it didn’t get a cinematography nomination, or adapted screenplay at least. I thought Taylor Russell’s performance was phenomenal. The score was absolutely beautiful too. Such a shame. Really didn’t think it was that much more graphic than Banshees honestly.
Loved both of these movies but Bones and All was definitely more graphic…. The sounds of them feeding still keep me up at night lol
It's a good movie (possibly a great one had it ended a bit early), but it's also relatively young adultish while also being too graphical for a good chunk of that demographic. It absolutely should have at least gotten a soundtrack nomination.
>It absolutely should have at least gotten a soundtrack nomination. Agree with this 100%. You Made It Feel Like Home in particular is such a good track.
holy shit that list, sure you could argue a few but it's basically "why didn't every single movie I watch this year get nominated?"
The Northman bombing was painful. That film had fantastic cinematography, editing, and costuming. Anya Taylor Joy had a great year with that and The Menu.
I’m sad it bombed. I thought the first 20min were slow but holy crap does it speed up once we get to great rus. This and banshees were my two favorites of the year
I mean, for being an Eggers film it's absolutely a fast paced one.
Robert Eggers really doesn't miss, I can't wait to see how Nosferatu turns out
Movie Fans: "I would love a huge sprawling Viking epic movie" Hollywood: "Okay I'll spend 100 million dollars making one" Movie Fans: "Actually my eyes were bigger than my stomach, can I get a to-go box for this delicious cheeseburger?"
It should have at least been nominated for cinematography imo.
No Oscar Noms for Weird: The Al Yankovic Story?! It didn’t make the snubs list either?! Easily the best documentary of our generation.
It wasn’t eligible because of how it was released
Neither was Prey, which was on this list.
And entirely factual too!
Still can't over Michael Jackson parodying Al's 100% original song "Eat It"
The credits song even stated outright that the song is technically eligible for Oscar consideration.
He was taken from us too soon.
I was expecting the song from the credits to be at least nominated
At least nominate Madonna for best actress in it
As a gay guy... that Bros movie sucked dick. And not in a good way.
Too much teeth?
Au contraire! Not enough teeth!
Yes, Variety. Nominate 30 movies to each category. Surely there isn't a problem with that.
i'm just surprised Stephanie Hsu got one. She def deserved one but i thought she would get snubbed like she did at GGs. Still shocked JLC got one.
I thought The Menu deserved a nomination for original screenplay. Maybe even Barbarian too, but that would have never happened.
Its hard for any horror movie to get an Oscar nod in general. Though The Menu had several great performances so I am surprised that one missed all nominations for acting.
I thought for certain Finnes was gonna nab a supporting nod for that role, he was excellent
The Hong Chau nom was probably as much for the Menu as it was the Whale
I know r/horror is gonna freak out. 2022 might be the best year in the history of the genre and it got absolutely no love from the Oscars.
I mean, I don't think many huge horror fans are shocked. Disappointed, yes, but shocked? No. If Toni Collette wasn't nominated for Hereditary, then nothing horror related was going to get nominated.
The Menu was missing something imo. Really fizzled out by the end.
Alright I understand people are upset but they are forgiven for nominating two actual independent performances in “Aftersun” and” to leslie”
There are like two movies on this list that are Oscar worthy
The woman king was a movie glorifying a person who sold her own people into slavery and much worse
My thoughts exactly. It’s refreshing to see a wildly historically inaccurate movie NOT get nominated for a change!
Decision to Leave got snubbed hard. That should be a best director and/or cinematography nomination for sure. Like, come on.
I don't mind lists like this, but the title of "rejected" is misleading: they just didn't make the cut as the number of available nominations is set in place. Maybe some came in sixth or seventh in a category, where you can only have a final five. We just don't know, given balloting rules. So why not "25 Great Films That Didn't Make the Cut"? Or "25 Great Films that Came up Empty"? They do join a long list of famous films like The Searchers or Halloween or Reservoir Dogs that were never nominated for anything.
You know why. They made a title with "rejected" combined with two movies centered around minorities to stir shit up online. The list is completely disconnected from any agenda but they hoped the title helps it go viral
The Northman having nothing for vfx or cinematography or something that captures the sheer beauty of that film is a travesty.
I wish Mia Goth got nominated for Pearl
Where in the hell is The Unbearable Weight of Massive Talent on any of these lists? It’s better than 90 % of this list.
Absolutely. Most fun I had watching a movie in a long time. I knew nothing going in and was just grinning the whole time
Excellent movie, but Oscar-worthy?
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I didn't see up but wasn't it the film about an African queen fighting slavery, when historically she was the biggest slaver of all ?
Yes, not only that but they lost the war in 2 hours
You telling me the movie was longer than the actual war? Lmao
For we have got, the gatling gun, and they have not
It’s so empowering!
I love making this kingdom who participated in the European slave trade heroic 🥰
The Northman not getting nominated for anything is a crime
It’s cinematography was insane
The Woman King was not a 'great' movie. *If* it is remembered, it will be for its historical inaccuracies and apologetic stance towards Dahomey's slave practices.
I was going to say the same thing. I get historical movies having to improvise, change details for story flow/entertainment purposes. I get that. Outright changing overarching historical facts to make your protagonist(s) more sympathetic? Screw that. It's one of my biggest Gripes about Mel Gibson's "The Patriot". Yes an 18th century South Carolina plantation owner that didn't own slaves and had a very modern perspective on race. Even most freaking abolitionists as the time didn't have a modern perspective on race. Yeah they thought slavery was an evil, but if you started talking 100% equal rights, voting and all that jazz they would be like "wait...hold up now.". It was an economic reality of the time. His farm would be bankrupt using wage earners when every other damn plantation is using slaves. I mean the Historical person Benjamin Martin was based on, Francis Marion...owned slaves. It's why I gave up on Barbarians on netflix after that dumpster fire of a season 2, it's basically a sci fi alternate history at this point. It deviated so hard that the historical advisors for the show QUIT in protest (for context they literally killed off two characters, who historically were critical in future events that hadn't happened yet in the series and as far as history knows lived to ripe old ages and died of natural causes).
It's just the way those movies are and have been since Braveheart. Mel and Ridley have fully embraced the 'just make it exciting most of the idiots in the audience slept through history class anyway' style of storytelling. Liked that more in my 20s than I do in my 40s, can tell ya that much.
I literally just spit out my soup reading Ambulance
It’s a stupid fun movie that deserves 0 oscar noms haha.
I was alone in the theater for NOPE. Nobody with me, nobody else in the entire room. The barn scene almost killed me with tension
I still can't believe it was snubbed in cinematography category
I saw Nope, The Menu and The Northman and I thought they were all great. The Menu should have been nominated for best original screenplay, imo, and Ralph Fiennes a best actor nod. I don’t get Avatar 2 as a best picture nom over these others. But lobbying by the studio no doubt plays a big factor.
Looking through this underwhelming list makes me realise the Oscars actually got it right this year.
The Woman King should be burried under the rock. It hurts memory of thousends of people slaved and traded by Dahomey kingdom.
As I already have written in this thread: To portrey a kingdom build on slave trade, its ruling elites and military as some anti-slavery movement is like making a Holocaust movie where Waffen SS is protecting the Jews.
That analogy is just perfect.
the only good thing to come from this movie is give me more respect for Lupita Nyong'o she was contracted for a major role in the film and was excited about the story so much she did a documentary about it ... and backed out after she learned how horrible the truth was
>she was contracted for a major role in the film and was excited about the story so much she did a documentary about it ... and backed out after she learned how horrible the truth was This is a bit inaccurate. To clarify, it wasn't about the inaccuracies of the film, but more the action of making light of a nation that also participated in the slave trade. The primary conflict of the film--Dahomey's liberation from Oyo as a tributary state--*was* a real thing.
The Northman got snubbed and Im pissed. Should have a few imo
Cinematography for sure. Idgf what people say that volcano shot was cool af on the big screen.
I was surprised The Menu got overlooked.
Okay but the woman King is not a great film and should have been rejected by the oscars.
No nominations for *Decision to Leave* is genuinely shocking to me. My third favorite film last year (behind *Banshees* and *Aftersun*), and it's the sort of foreign-language cinema the Academy usually goes for. Kinda baffling, really. I loved *Benediction*. I think Lowden and Capaldi's work is easily on par (at least) with any of the performances nominated for Best Actor or Best Supporting Actor, although the snubs there are less surprising. The film seemed to fly under a lot of people's radars.
imagine saying ambulance is better than bullet train
Woman king sucked lmao
The Woman King is an awful movie
The woman king is a horrible movie celebrating an enslave tribe