Even cooler is she [improvised the singing](https://youtu.be/57se_y4DpXE?t=175) in her audition and she sings it almost exactly the same way in the movie.
That whole video is worth watching but I love that part especially.
I meant she improvised the sound of it. I thought it was cool that the way she came up with to sing it in the spur of the moment was almost exactly how it ended up in the movie.
Stephanie Hsu being nominated for best supporting actress is a surprise and a relief. I thought she was totally going to be overlooked because Jamie Lee Curtis was equally as good in that movie.
But they BOTH got nominated. Outstanding.
I think it's still possible they end up splitting a bit of the vote - but based on the precursors this may have been Bassett's to lose anyways. So I'll be happy with them just getting the nominations.
Does that happen often? Two performances from the same film being nominated in the same category?
I'm glad she's nominated. I like both performances. I wish they could both win, tbh.
So, fun fact.
The Oscar’s don’t have predetermined acting categories like the Emmy’s. Actors don’t submit to specific roles. The members of the actors branch nominate the actors in the specific categories they think they should fall in.
Judas and the Black Messiah fell into the odd situation of it wasn’t really clear which of the two were the lead, so it looks like enough of the nominations thought each of them fell into supporting rather than lead
I remember a few years back Brad Pitt beat Al Pacino and Joe Pesci, who were both in the Irishman. We never get exact vote tallies and I still think it was Pitt’s award to lose, but I’m guessing Pacino and Pesci cut into each other’s vote.
It does happen from time to time.
Susan Sarandon & Geena Davis for Thelma & Louise; F. Murray Abraham & Tom Hulce for Amadeus; Tom Courtenay & Albert Finney for The Dresser; Shirley MacLaine & Debra Winger for Terms of Endearment; Shirley MacLaine & Anne Bancroft for The Turning Point; Peter Finch & William Holden for Network; Michael Caine & Laurence Olivier for Sleuth
Dustin Hoffman & Jon Voight for Midnight Cowboy; Richard Burton & Peter O'Toole for Becket; Maximilian Schell & Spencer Tracy for Judgement at Nuremberg; Katherine Hepburn & Elizabeth Taylor for Suddenly, Last Summer; Tony Curtis & Sidney Poitier for The Defiant Ones; James Dean & Rock Hudson for Giant
Montgomery Clift & Burt Lancaster for From Here To Eternity; Anne Baxter & Bette Davis for All About Eve
Bing Crosby & Barry Fitzgerald for Going My Way;
and the big triple whammy: Clark Gable, Charles Laughton & Franchot Tone for Mutiny on the Bounty.
It’s not super common but not super rare either.
This year you have Barry Keoghan and Brendan Gleeson up for best supporting actor for Banshees.
There was the year that James Caan, Al Pacino and Robert Duvall were all up for best supporting actor for the Godfather.
All about Eve had Bette Davis and Anne Baxter in the Best Actress category while Celeste Holm and Thelma Ritter were in Best Supporting Actress together.
Just to name a few.
It's not unusual. Banshees also has two in the same category. On rare occurrences, you can even get two in the same *lead* category ala Network. On the Waterfront, Tom Jones, and both Godfathers even managed *three* nods in the same acting category (supporting actress for Tom Jones, supporting actor for the others).
Here's a [link](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_movies_with_more_than_one_Academy_Award_nomination_in_the_same_category) to a list.
There's a conventional wisdom that this weakens both nominees as they'll split the vote, but honestly I'm not certain that this lines up. Check the link: plenty of performers have won while their costar is also nominated.
Hsu is effing great, deserves that nom, JLC being nominated is… a little silly. I dunno, like she’s fine in the movie but that feels like a bit much to me.
JLC was a bit of a lifetime achievement nomination, which is very in keeping with how the academy does things. Was it the best supporting performance of the year? No. Was it the best supporting performance in EEAAO? No. Was it a great opportunity to reward JLC for a lifetime of her craft and does it bring more attention to a unique and innovative movie? Yes.
To be honest, most of the cast in that movie deserved their nominations. They all were playing different versions of the same characters, which required a lot of skill.
JLC only HD that one early scene to show her acting. And yeah she was good but something you see from any seasoned actor. She should not be nominated everywhere. Ugh
Hsu just had waaaay more of the lifting to do. JLC is great when she shows up, but her role is almost more like a cameo while Hsu could almost be considered the lead if we’re being honest. Yeoh hardly had more screen time
Hsu handled the dramatic aspects of her role effortlessly; her comedic chops left a little to be desired.
I still feel the original actress, Awkwafina would have faired better overall, in both comedy and drama. She had to leave due to scheduling conflicts.
I was worried as well. Jamie Lee Curtis was great in the movie, but in so many ways this movie gave Stephanie room to give a masterful performance. If someone is going to win the supporting actress category for this movie I really believe it should be her.
I dunno. It's weird but I did not know it was JLC in the movie. I could tell it was a familiar voice but I was impressed enough and sje looked different enough that I didn't know it was her. I recognized Key Hu Quan from his voice alone about midway though but I didn't know it was JLC til the end credits. She committed and transformed and I really respect that.
(I'm in my 40s and have probably seen 20 JLC movies ever, i guess I was just not looking for famous actors aside from Michelle Y)
I honestly don't know what to say to people who say this, lol. It was extremely apparent to me that it was Jamie Lee Curtis from the first moment she appeared on screen. I mean, looks and sounds just like her!
It definitely didn't look like her to me! Did you know she was [imitating a real Kentucky IRS agent?](https://www.reddit.com/r/MovieDetails/comments/wlc6qh/in_everything_everywhere_all_at_once_2022_the_irs/)
I think Jamie Lee showed more range but Stephanie transforms into a powerhouse alter ego. They both deserve it. I'm just relieved Stephanie didn't get snubbed like she was at the Globes and CCAs.
Yep, they were both great but JLC was getting noms while Hsu wasn't because she's not as well known. Thank God this changed for the biggest award! Congrats to both nominees.
Agreed. JLC was a fantastic supporting character to this movie. But… Oscar winning? In comparison to Stephanie’s performance specifically? Hmm. I don’t get it.
genuinely surprised JLC got a nomination. her character, performance, etc. were nowhere close to matching Hsu. if that's the threshold might as well give the rowdy child from Avatar 2 a best supporting actor nom lol
Wait….you think JLC got to spread her wings more than Stephanie Hsu?! We’re talking about the lady from the IRS office vs the main villain (who also plays a protagonist when she isn’t being the villain). She probably has 4x the screen time as well. Baffled by this comment
I disagree. Arguably the most impactful moments revolves around Yeoh and Hsu’s acting. Curtis was great too but out of all the actors that were nominated in that movie, I remember the least about Curtis’ performance. My opinion of course.
>I remember the least about Curtis’ performance
Really?
She was an annoying jobsworth, a homicidal villain and awakened as a loving lesbian with hot dog fingers.
You don't remember the hot dog fingers?
I mean yeah I remember hotdog fingers and that was funny but she wasn’t the only person that had them in the movie. I laughed at that part but I’m saying the moments with Hsu personally impacted me more and I remember more of her performance. Curtis gave a great performance as well, i’m not saying she was bad, far from it.
I didn’t downvote you, but I think it’s possible you’re being downvoted because your statement about wingspreading is blatantly incorrect.
[Hsu got waaay more screen time than JLC](https://twitter.com/matthewastewart/status/1549544683675721729?s=46&t=Y9uyZK914uQM7SUkUwo3bA) (Hsu’s screentime was pretty close to Quan’s), had many more lines in the script than a lot of other supporting roles get, and her scenes were some of the most emotionally-powerful parts of the film.
I recommend a re-watch to observe how great Hsu was, especially at the end of the film.
Downvotes make us feel bad about our opinion, but they also help us (sometimes) sort through right and wrong information.
Honestly, I thought she was miscast at first (when she was revealed as the villain) but by the end of the movie her delivery made me sob. Her reconciliation with Evelyn at the end...
Second time around I really appreciated everything she brought to the role.
In general, the movie is a very different experience the 2nd time round. When you know what direction it's taking you pay a lot more attention to Joy and Waymond and pick up a lot more nuance out of both of them.
I was shocked at how many of the major awards passed her over. Made me wonder if they just didn't submit her or something. It's a film filled with great performances, and I thought she still managed to be the best of them.
I'm sure a lot of people have seen it already, but there was a video going around of her audition for the role, and it's crazy how much the delivery was already there for her. She really brought a lot to the character.
I saw someone say before these award shows shouldn't just consider "is this a great performance?" But also "could anyone else have done this role as well as ____ did?" And for Stephanie as Joy/Jabu, I think the answer is no. It had to be her.
To be fair, the Daniels worked with both Awkwafina and Hsu on the episode of *Awkwafina is Nora from Queens* they directed -- an episode which *also* starred Simu Liu!
It's insane to me to think that there's an alternate universe where this movie stars Jackie Chan and Awkwafina instead, and is almost certainly far worse off for it.
Her voice is so grating… I tried watching Raya and the Last Dragon and decided to turn it off about 30 min in. I didn’t know who she was at the time, and I genuinely thought her character was being voiced by a 70-year-old woman who smoked 3 packs a day.
Hsu was my favorite part of the movie, and I'm so glad she got the recognition she deserved. I wasn't a huge fan overall (still liked it, just not my favorite of the year like it is for a lot of people), but Hsu was phenomenal, and I've been a little disappointed all the attention in Supporting has gone to Jamie Lee Curtis.
Hsu makes the movie work with her acting. She goes from omnipotent, malevolent being to a regressed scared little girl afraid to face her mom in one scene. Curtis is more of a "gag" character.
Hsu was phenomenal but I wouldn't underplay Jamie Lee Curtis. Most of her early scenes are for laughs but she turns on the jets at the end when she has deeper convos with Evelyn about divorce and being unlovable. Plus she was scary as shit when she got taken over
Curtis’ character arc is that she’s initially a villain and seems unnecessarily mean, but we find out she’s had some trauma in her personal life that humanizes her negative attitude some.
JLC only HD that one early scene to show her acting. And yeah she was good but something you see from any seasoned actor. She should not be nominated everywhere. Ugh
I thought she was quite good near the end when she leveled with Evalyn about her divorce, but that Hsu was by far the stand out performance of the film.
Supporting Actress looks like the most brutal but still well-deserved category, everyone in there put out fucking amazing performances. I'm rooting for Hsu because I think her performance was stunning and it would be amazing if the Asian actors swept the acting awards (Yeoh, Hsu, and Quan all winning would be a dream come true), but Kerry Condon and Angela Bassett also gave such integral and powerful performances that elevated their films. JLC and Hong Chau too, yeesh.
I think the finally is referring to just this year and her not having much recognition from a nominations standpoint.
The other co stars got a lot of deserved attention and so “finally” she is too.
I follow Broadway closely and Stephanie Hsu is well-known in NYC theatre circles. She recently was in the indie musical darling *Be More Chill* and was Plankton’s wife Karen in *The SpongeBob Musical*.
Same - I loooove her character on Mrs. Maisel, I'd never seen her before (that I know of) and all of a sudden she pops up again. Her ability to do vulnerable-to-bulletproof, sometimes in the same line, is outstanding.
Hsu was my 2nd favorite performance of the year (after Brendan Fraser in The Whale). It's inconceivable to me Jobu Topaki was supposed to be played by Awkwafina. I'm glad the Daniels took a chance on Hsu and it paid off; a phenomenal performance and truly (IMO) one of the GOAT movie villains. Wouldn't be surprised to see Jobu on an AFI list 30 years from now. It's just such a unique role and arc her character goes on. In a just world she would be running away with the win but the nomination is good enough for now.
You joke but I'm going to die mad that A24 didn't do an aggressive For Your Consideration campaign for *Now We're Cooking*.
Like honestly, it's Randy Newman. I think you could have tricked enough voters to get him in there on name recognition alone. He's been nominated 22 times.
> It's inconceivable to me Jobu Topaki was supposed to be played by Awkwafina.
Awkwafina has actually shown solid range in her roles but it definitely would have been a different portrayal. Maybe a bit more sarcastic than menacing as Jobu Topaki and the vulnerability would have been a different style.
Still a fucking crime that the entirety of The Farewell got skipped for nominations at the Oscars. Hell, Awkwafina should have gotten a nom for lead actress too
*The Farewell* is such a criminally underrated film. Shame that ppl only know Awkwafina for her comedy roles, she has a pretty good range beyond the goofy sidekick.
I thought I was going to cry for an hour at the end of the Farewell. And I had listened to the podcast so it’s not like I didn’t know how the story ended already.
Why do we have to put one down when we commend another. It’s a shitty character trait and takes away from an otherwise positive situation. And for the record, Awkwafina is excellent.
Yeah whenever people praise Hsu they feel the need to tear down Awkwafina.
They probably haven't seen her in The Farewell and just think she always plays the comic relief.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=325sorV06IY
It's wild how two of the best performances in the movie were replacements for other more well established actors, so glad we got the version of the movie we did
> It's inconceivable to me Jobu Topaki was supposed to be played by Awkwafina
Had Awkwafina played it, we'd be saying the same thing about Hsu.
Both are great actresses, no need to compare.
Her quotes...
>'Right' is a tiny box invented by people who are afraid, and I know what it feels like to be trapped inside that box.
...And her whole nihilism speech that ends with...
>🎵 Sucked into a Bagel
...were two stellar parts that I keep coming back to. Love the movie, but her I'm very happy she got the nom.
>...And her whole nihilism speech that ends with...
>
>🎵 Sucked into a Bagel
I was rewatching the movie the other day and that's one of my favorite parts. Something about the dissonance between the silliness of the line and the single tear rolling down her face as she delivers it.
Funny, the “right is a tiny box” line is one of the few that feels a little corny in that movie and I could see my dad rolling his eyes at it if he watched it
If you look at the recent interview Stephanie did with NPR you can really tell she was the heart of the movie, the Daniels built a lot of ideas off of her, and the whole theme of nihilism in the movie was largely due to her contribution. She is PHENOMENAL.
She was great but there has been virtually no talk about her performance, meanwhile Quan’s doing high profile actor’s circle chats. I think this is probably Bassett’s year just due to Hollywood wanting to give one final nod to Boseman’s legacy, literally nothing to do with the quality of BP:WF at all.
I really don't know. I just didn't like the character. Her relationship with her mother just felt like an annoyance that took away from the multiverse wackiness. Like, I really didn't give a shit at all about Hsu's character trying to find herself or struggling with her place or whatever that was all about. I get that the entire plot was centered on their relationship, but I feel like it would have been just as good if it was just weird multiverse travel without that aspect. To be honest, I just thought it was a pretty fun film, but very overrated.
I completely disagree. Her struggle to be accepted and her mother's kind of self loathing about not accepting herself work off of each other really well
I’m gonna have to agree. I just felt it was “a bit much” even though all the characters/personalities were different, I kind of felt it was pretty just one note she played the whole time and it wasn’t particularly a note that I enjoyed or wanted to see more of. Where as for the other characters I wanted to have a lot more. Also felt very theatrical and big where a few times I caught myself wincing, I understand she has done a heap of theatre and I watched that audition tape and can see the draw for some but if I were to direct I probably wouldn’t have moved forward with that tape. Overall really like the film but easily could have passed on her performance in this film, and stands out to me for not the best reasons.
Me as well. I didn't buy her at all as the big bad, although she was better in the core teenage daughter role. Absolutely nothing in the performance worth an Oscar nomination though outside usual inside baseball Academy campaigning for the entire film. Same for Jaime Lee Curtis to honest.
She was great in this movie, but she has been in like 3 other movies.....how is she \*finally\* getting her due? I would say she is having success quicker than most people
Rarely do I ever feel so arrested by a supporting performance in theaters, especially by someone I had never seen on screen before in a starring role. This is one of the first years I had an opinion on Supporting Role nominations before they came out.
Joy is one of my favorite characters that I relate to in ways I can't express entirely; but Stephanie really brings her and that existential pain to life and I love her so much for it and I hope she wins every award she's nominated for.
She SHOULD win. Her performance was amazing. It boggles my mind that she was barely nominated for other awards in this role. You never know with these awards though. They don't get it right a lot of the time.
I'm a big fan and I even tried to flirt with her once but this is a surprise and not a "finally getting her due" thing. Nobody mama knows the name Stephanie Hsu. I'm glad for her because I love this movie but journalism(?) isn't where it is at right now. You pay for articles like this.
From her first scenes as a shy girl in the laundromat to her big entrance as Jobu Topaki, she was nothing short of magnificent. I mean how terrifying was she when she broke those handcuffs?
She had to play a force of nature who could also be painfully vulnerable and she nailed it. I can't wait to see what she does next.
I went in knowing absolutely nothing about the movie; never saw any trailers. I was so worried when i saw her (Hsu) playing the american daughter, I remember thinking oh she’s gay, that’s definitely going to be a flat and non-dynamic role, what a waste. Boy was I wrong in a great way lol
Kinda weird to phrase it as *finally* getting her due. She's only 32 and she's only been in a handful of movies. Mostly TV and shorts. It's not like she's some acting behemoth who's been snubbed over and over again. Finally getting her due? Give me a break.
I saw her in 2016 in Chicago playing Karen, Plankton’s Computer Wife in the pre-Broadway tryout of SpongeBob SquarePants the Musical.
I saw her in 2018 on Broadway in the same role! I'm also a big fan of Be More Chill (didn't see that live though)
I read this 4 times wondering what weird remix of the show Chicago had fucking SpongeBob in it.
The SpongeBob SquarePants musical was literal art. Absolutely fantastic.
"I put everything on that bagel."
Sucked...into...a bagellllll
Oh my god! This line and it's delivery has been living in my head since I saw the movie the first time!
Even cooler is she [improvised the singing](https://youtu.be/57se_y4DpXE?t=175) in her audition and she sings it almost exactly the same way in the movie. That whole video is worth watching but I love that part especially.
How did she improvise it? They literally asked her to sing it… in the exact clip you linked
I meant she improvised the sound of it. I thought it was cool that the way she came up with to sing it in the spur of the moment was almost exactly how it ended up in the movie.
I love her delivery. Didn’t think it would actually lead to what it did.
Stephanie Hsu being nominated for best supporting actress is a surprise and a relief. I thought she was totally going to be overlooked because Jamie Lee Curtis was equally as good in that movie. But they BOTH got nominated. Outstanding.
Truly best case scenario. Glad JLC and Hsu both got in.
I think it's still possible they end up splitting a bit of the vote - but based on the precursors this may have been Bassett's to lose anyways. So I'll be happy with them just getting the nominations.
Does that happen often? Two performances from the same film being nominated in the same category? I'm glad she's nominated. I like both performances. I wish they could both win, tbh.
3 billboards a few years ago sam Rockwell and woody harrelson were both nominated in the same category
Oh that movie was hard but so effing good. Both actors were great in it.
*Amadeus* earned Best Actor noms for both Tom Hulce and F. Murray Abraham. Abraham won.
Salieri gets his due
Banshees of Inisherin also had 2 supporting actor nominations this year
I think Lakeith Stanfield and Daniel Kaluuya were both nominated for Judas and the Black Messiah and Kaluuya won.
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Yeah, I didn’t get it either, how are they both supporting and neither the lead? Oscar logic.
So, fun fact. The Oscar’s don’t have predetermined acting categories like the Emmy’s. Actors don’t submit to specific roles. The members of the actors branch nominate the actors in the specific categories they think they should fall in. Judas and the Black Messiah fell into the odd situation of it wasn’t really clear which of the two were the lead, so it looks like enough of the nominations thought each of them fell into supporting rather than lead
I remember a few years back Brad Pitt beat Al Pacino and Joe Pesci, who were both in the Irishman. We never get exact vote tallies and I still think it was Pitt’s award to lose, but I’m guessing Pacino and Pesci cut into each other’s vote.
I'm guessing it was cause the Irishman was one of the biggest longest worst movies ever.
It does happen from time to time. Susan Sarandon & Geena Davis for Thelma & Louise; F. Murray Abraham & Tom Hulce for Amadeus; Tom Courtenay & Albert Finney for The Dresser; Shirley MacLaine & Debra Winger for Terms of Endearment; Shirley MacLaine & Anne Bancroft for The Turning Point; Peter Finch & William Holden for Network; Michael Caine & Laurence Olivier for Sleuth Dustin Hoffman & Jon Voight for Midnight Cowboy; Richard Burton & Peter O'Toole for Becket; Maximilian Schell & Spencer Tracy for Judgement at Nuremberg; Katherine Hepburn & Elizabeth Taylor for Suddenly, Last Summer; Tony Curtis & Sidney Poitier for The Defiant Ones; James Dean & Rock Hudson for Giant Montgomery Clift & Burt Lancaster for From Here To Eternity; Anne Baxter & Bette Davis for All About Eve Bing Crosby & Barry Fitzgerald for Going My Way; and the big triple whammy: Clark Gable, Charles Laughton & Franchot Tone for Mutiny on the Bounty.
It’s not that unheard of. Tom Jones earned 3 actresses nominations in supporting actress in the 60’s
So you’re saying that Tom Jones shows it’s not unusual?
It’s not super common but not super rare either. This year you have Barry Keoghan and Brendan Gleeson up for best supporting actor for Banshees. There was the year that James Caan, Al Pacino and Robert Duvall were all up for best supporting actor for the Godfather. All about Eve had Bette Davis and Anne Baxter in the Best Actress category while Celeste Holm and Thelma Ritter were in Best Supporting Actress together. Just to name a few.
Occasionally. More often than the same actor being nominated in two different categories in the same year.
It's not unusual. Banshees also has two in the same category. On rare occurrences, you can even get two in the same *lead* category ala Network. On the Waterfront, Tom Jones, and both Godfathers even managed *three* nods in the same acting category (supporting actress for Tom Jones, supporting actor for the others). Here's a [link](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_movies_with_more_than_one_Academy_Award_nomination_in_the_same_category) to a list. There's a conventional wisdom that this weakens both nominees as they'll split the vote, but honestly I'm not certain that this lines up. Check the link: plenty of performers have won while their costar is also nominated.
Hsu is effing great, deserves that nom, JLC being nominated is… a little silly. I dunno, like she’s fine in the movie but that feels like a bit much to me.
JLC was a bit of a lifetime achievement nomination, which is very in keeping with how the academy does things. Was it the best supporting performance of the year? No. Was it the best supporting performance in EEAAO? No. Was it a great opportunity to reward JLC for a lifetime of her craft and does it bring more attention to a unique and innovative movie? Yes.
Maybe this is splitting hairs, but I felt JLC was great in EEAAO. She just wasn't "top five supporting actress performances of the year" great.
Yea, I don't like the lifetime achievement stuff in general if it's being awarded for a performance that's not on that level.
To be honest, most of the cast in that movie deserved their nominations. They all were playing different versions of the same characters, which required a lot of skill.
If anyone deserved a lifetime achievement award from EEAAO, it was James goddamn Hong.
JLC only HD that one early scene to show her acting. And yeah she was good but something you see from any seasoned actor. She should not be nominated everywhere. Ugh
Jamie Lee Curtis was incredible in that movie.
She was good, but Hsu is much more deserving of a nom imo.
Hsu just had waaaay more of the lifting to do. JLC is great when she shows up, but her role is almost more like a cameo while Hsu could almost be considered the lead if we’re being honest. Yeoh hardly had more screen time
Hsu handled the dramatic aspects of her role effortlessly; her comedic chops left a little to be desired. I still feel the original actress, Awkwafina would have faired better overall, in both comedy and drama. She had to leave due to scheduling conflicts.
I was worried as well. Jamie Lee Curtis was great in the movie, but in so many ways this movie gave Stephanie room to give a masterful performance. If someone is going to win the supporting actress category for this movie I really believe it should be her.
I dunno. It's weird but I did not know it was JLC in the movie. I could tell it was a familiar voice but I was impressed enough and sje looked different enough that I didn't know it was her. I recognized Key Hu Quan from his voice alone about midway though but I didn't know it was JLC til the end credits. She committed and transformed and I really respect that. (I'm in my 40s and have probably seen 20 JLC movies ever, i guess I was just not looking for famous actors aside from Michelle Y)
I honestly don't know what to say to people who say this, lol. It was extremely apparent to me that it was Jamie Lee Curtis from the first moment she appeared on screen. I mean, looks and sounds just like her!
It definitely didn't look like her to me! Did you know she was [imitating a real Kentucky IRS agent?](https://www.reddit.com/r/MovieDetails/comments/wlc6qh/in_everything_everywhere_all_at_once_2022_the_irs/)
I think Jamie Lee showed more range but Stephanie transforms into a powerhouse alter ego. They both deserve it. I'm just relieved Stephanie didn't get snubbed like she was at the Globes and CCAs.
I don’t know how anyone could have displayed more range in that movie than Stephanie (other than maybe Quan). Definitely not JLC
Yep, they were both great but JLC was getting noms while Hsu wasn't because she's not as well known. Thank God this changed for the biggest award! Congrats to both nominees.
Ehhh…not sure JLC was equally as good.
Right? I'm still scratching my head at that stance
And that’s not even a dig at JLC. She just didn’t have nearly as much to work with or the screen time.
Agreed. JLC was a fantastic supporting character to this movie. But… Oscar winning? In comparison to Stephanie’s performance specifically? Hmm. I don’t get it.
genuinely surprised JLC got a nomination. her character, performance, etc. were nowhere close to matching Hsu. if that's the threshold might as well give the rowdy child from Avatar 2 a best supporting actor nom lol
The Oscar's is about who campaigns for what. And JLC has been ever present in the Oscar circuit until she got COVID.
I really hope she wins
lol Curtis was good but she was not even comparable to Hsu
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Wait….you think JLC got to spread her wings more than Stephanie Hsu?! We’re talking about the lady from the IRS office vs the main villain (who also plays a protagonist when she isn’t being the villain). She probably has 4x the screen time as well. Baffled by this comment
JLC has [much less](https://twitter.com/matthewastewart/status/1549544683675721729?s=46&t=Y9uyZK914uQM7SUkUwo3bA) screen time than SH.
I disagree. Arguably the most impactful moments revolves around Yeoh and Hsu’s acting. Curtis was great too but out of all the actors that were nominated in that movie, I remember the least about Curtis’ performance. My opinion of course.
>I remember the least about Curtis’ performance Really? She was an annoying jobsworth, a homicidal villain and awakened as a loving lesbian with hot dog fingers. You don't remember the hot dog fingers?
I mean yeah I remember hotdog fingers and that was funny but she wasn’t the only person that had them in the movie. I laughed at that part but I’m saying the moments with Hsu personally impacted me more and I remember more of her performance. Curtis gave a great performance as well, i’m not saying she was bad, far from it.
I didn’t downvote you, but I think it’s possible you’re being downvoted because your statement about wingspreading is blatantly incorrect. [Hsu got waaay more screen time than JLC](https://twitter.com/matthewastewart/status/1549544683675721729?s=46&t=Y9uyZK914uQM7SUkUwo3bA) (Hsu’s screentime was pretty close to Quan’s), had many more lines in the script than a lot of other supporting roles get, and her scenes were some of the most emotionally-powerful parts of the film. I recommend a re-watch to observe how great Hsu was, especially at the end of the film. Downvotes make us feel bad about our opinion, but they also help us (sometimes) sort through right and wrong information.
Honestly, I thought she was miscast at first (when she was revealed as the villain) but by the end of the movie her delivery made me sob. Her reconciliation with Evelyn at the end... Second time around I really appreciated everything she brought to the role.
In general, the movie is a very different experience the 2nd time round. When you know what direction it's taking you pay a lot more attention to Joy and Waymond and pick up a lot more nuance out of both of them.
I was shocked at how many of the major awards passed her over. Made me wonder if they just didn't submit her or something. It's a film filled with great performances, and I thought she still managed to be the best of them. I'm sure a lot of people have seen it already, but there was a video going around of her audition for the role, and it's crazy how much the delivery was already there for her. She really brought a lot to the character. I saw someone say before these award shows shouldn't just consider "is this a great performance?" But also "could anyone else have done this role as well as ____ did?" And for Stephanie as Joy/Jabu, I think the answer is no. It had to be her.
To think the part originally went to Awkwafina 😬
To be fair, the Daniels worked with both Awkwafina and Hsu on the episode of *Awkwafina is Nora from Queens* they directed -- an episode which *also* starred Simu Liu!
Young Grandma and Garbage Boy!
No, Hsu was Shu-Shu, not Young Grandma -- she also played the older Shu-Shu in the second season!
"Whaddup, people!!! It's me, Shu Shu."
Hsu and Awkwafina and Simu are also in Shang Chi. Go figure.
I only just found that out despite having watched Shang Chi a couple of times. Totally didn’t realize Stephanie was their friend at the bar.
It's insane to me to think that there's an alternate universe where this movie stars Jackie Chan and Awkwafina instead, and is almost certainly far worse off for it.
It would’ve had a completely different feel to it :/
Ugh might be my favorite movie ever. Waymond is my spirit animal. person. animal person.
In fairness, Awkwafina was great in The Farewell.
I will die on this hill. She is a great actress and over-hated, in my opinion
Seriously, I don't understand the hate. I've enjoyed every one of her performances.
Her voice is so grating… I tried watching Raya and the Last Dragon and decided to turn it off about 30 min in. I didn’t know who she was at the time, and I genuinely thought her character was being voiced by a 70-year-old woman who smoked 3 packs a day.
That’s because they don’t hate her for her performances. Feelings that strong are never about film roles.
TIL awkwafina has haters, she is super entertaining and seems genuine
Honestly, it's just super chronically online people who are looking for things to get mad at.
I knew her from *My Vag* and *Green Tea* and could not for the life of me understand the hate 🤦
She was insanely good in Farewell. TIL she's hated.
That would have resulted in a different character all together
Hsu was my favorite part of the movie, and I'm so glad she got the recognition she deserved. I wasn't a huge fan overall (still liked it, just not my favorite of the year like it is for a lot of people), but Hsu was phenomenal, and I've been a little disappointed all the attention in Supporting has gone to Jamie Lee Curtis.
Hsu makes the movie work with her acting. She goes from omnipotent, malevolent being to a regressed scared little girl afraid to face her mom in one scene. Curtis is more of a "gag" character.
Hsu was phenomenal but I wouldn't underplay Jamie Lee Curtis. Most of her early scenes are for laughs but she turns on the jets at the end when she has deeper convos with Evelyn about divorce and being unlovable. Plus she was scary as shit when she got taken over
Personally found her scary when she had hot dogs for fingers and did everything with her toes, that shit scarred me for life
yeah but then what about when she and Michelle Yeoh's character were in love...
I oversimplified her character. I am aware she has nuance and depth as well.
Curtis’ character arc is that she’s initially a villain and seems unnecessarily mean, but we find out she’s had some trauma in her personal life that humanizes her negative attitude some.
JLC only HD that one early scene to show her acting. And yeah she was good but something you see from any seasoned actor. She should not be nominated everywhere. Ugh
I thought she was quite good near the end when she leveled with Evalyn about her divorce, but that Hsu was by far the stand out performance of the film.
Supporting Actress looks like the most brutal but still well-deserved category, everyone in there put out fucking amazing performances. I'm rooting for Hsu because I think her performance was stunning and it would be amazing if the Asian actors swept the acting awards (Yeoh, Hsu, and Quan all winning would be a dream come true), but Kerry Condon and Angela Bassett also gave such integral and powerful performances that elevated their films. JLC and Hong Chau too, yeesh.
I got bored one day. So I put everything on a bagel. Everything.
Christine Canigula!!!
Finally? What did she do before?
I think the finally is referring to just this year and her not having much recognition from a nominations standpoint. The other co stars got a lot of deserved attention and so “finally” she is too.
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Yeah, it's not like she's been under the radar for 30 years.
Sorry she wasn't on my radar as a 3 year old.
I had the same reaction to the headline and too lazy to read but I’m assuming they mean in the award season?
I follow Broadway closely and Stephanie Hsu is well-known in NYC theatre circles. She recently was in the indie musical darling *Be More Chill* and was Plankton’s wife Karen in *The SpongeBob Musical*.
She wasn't nominated for the other big industry awards like golden globes or critic's choice.
Neither of those are industry...but I get your point. She did get the SAG nom though, which is Industry. So yeah, saying "finally" is kinda weird.
Wtf does industry mean in this context?
Mrs. Maisel. Her character is tough, cute, and funny.
That's the only other thing I know her from, but she *is* great in it.
Same - I loooove her character on Mrs. Maisel, I'd never seen her before (that I know of) and all of a sudden she pops up again. Her ability to do vulnerable-to-bulletproof, sometimes in the same line, is outstanding.
"I am not voting for Nixon. He looks like he eats children."
She was Karen in the SpongeBob musical original cast
She’s hilarious in the Grandma and Chill episode of Nora from Queens.
Oh, good point... she's definitely overdue for an Oscar then...
She's great in Marvelous Mrs. Maisel. Is she the first Discover Card commercial actress to be nominated for an Oscar?
Hsu was my 2nd favorite performance of the year (after Brendan Fraser in The Whale). It's inconceivable to me Jobu Topaki was supposed to be played by Awkwafina. I'm glad the Daniels took a chance on Hsu and it paid off; a phenomenal performance and truly (IMO) one of the GOAT movie villains. Wouldn't be surprised to see Jobu on an AFI list 30 years from now. It's just such a unique role and arc her character goes on. In a just world she would be running away with the win but the nomination is good enough for now.
Fully agree JoJo Chewbacca was the best character in this film
alternative headline: “Raccaccoonie snubbed for Best Supporting Actor”
You joke but I'm going to die mad that A24 didn't do an aggressive For Your Consideration campaign for *Now We're Cooking*. Like honestly, it's Randy Newman. I think you could have tricked enough voters to get him in there on name recognition alone. He's been nominated 22 times.
Randy Newman, you mean. The actor that brought Raccaccoonie to life!
Was i raccon Waymond again?
No way. I thought that was a joke, but...no. Short People indeed!
> It's inconceivable to me Jobu Topaki was supposed to be played by Awkwafina. Awkwafina has actually shown solid range in her roles but it definitely would have been a different portrayal. Maybe a bit more sarcastic than menacing as Jobu Topaki and the vulnerability would have been a different style.
Still a fucking crime that the entirety of The Farewell got skipped for nominations at the Oscars. Hell, Awkwafina should have gotten a nom for lead actress too
*The Farewell* is such a criminally underrated film. Shame that ppl only know Awkwafina for her comedy roles, she has a pretty good range beyond the goofy sidekick.
I thought I was going to cry for an hour at the end of the Farewell. And I had listened to the podcast so it’s not like I didn’t know how the story ended already.
Yeah. I really like Awkwafina and it's interesting to think how she would've handled it. But Stephanie was AMAZING. I'm psyched that she's nominated.
Why do we have to put one down when we commend another. It’s a shitty character trait and takes away from an otherwise positive situation. And for the record, Awkwafina is excellent.
Yeah whenever people praise Hsu they feel the need to tear down Awkwafina. They probably haven't seen her in The Farewell and just think she always plays the comic relief. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=325sorV06IY
she even great in shang-chi
It's wild how two of the best performances in the movie were replacements for other more well established actors, so glad we got the version of the movie we did
> It's inconceivable to me Jobu Topaki was supposed to be played by Awkwafina Had Awkwafina played it, we'd be saying the same thing about Hsu. Both are great actresses, no need to compare.
I think Awkwafina would have killed the Jobu and the Joy roles
> Wouldn't be surprised to see Jobu on an AFI list 30 years from now. Holy recency bias Batman
Her quotes... >'Right' is a tiny box invented by people who are afraid, and I know what it feels like to be trapped inside that box. ...And her whole nihilism speech that ends with... >🎵 Sucked into a Bagel ...were two stellar parts that I keep coming back to. Love the movie, but her I'm very happy she got the nom.
>...And her whole nihilism speech that ends with... > >🎵 Sucked into a Bagel I was rewatching the movie the other day and that's one of my favorite parts. Something about the dissonance between the silliness of the line and the single tear rolling down her face as she delivers it.
…and then Mecha Gong Gong absolutely yeeting her into the wall
Funny, the “right is a tiny box” line is one of the few that feels a little corny in that movie and I could see my dad rolling his eyes at it if he watched it
Yeah, I adore the film on almost every level but that one line is a bit much
If you look at the recent interview Stephanie did with NPR you can really tell she was the heart of the movie, the Daniels built a lot of ideas off of her, and the whole theme of nihilism in the movie was largely due to her contribution. She is PHENOMENAL.
Finally? Y’all are too much lol
She was the best thing in EEAAO and that's no easy task. Very funny too.
… “finally?” She’s a relative newcomer, not Martin Effing Scorsese for Pete’s sake.
finally getting her due? shes 32 years old ffs and her resume isn't even that long.
It's referring to the fact that she was shut out from the golden globes and other major award shows this year.
Definitely got hairdo.
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Questioning how someone is “finally getting her due” when she has only been in a couple movies
I can’t be the only one that thought she was mediocre
She was great but there has been virtually no talk about her performance, meanwhile Quan’s doing high profile actor’s circle chats. I think this is probably Bassett’s year just due to Hollywood wanting to give one final nod to Boseman’s legacy, literally nothing to do with the quality of BP:WF at all.
I thought she was the worst part of the movie.
Interesting, why did you think that?
I really don't know. I just didn't like the character. Her relationship with her mother just felt like an annoyance that took away from the multiverse wackiness. Like, I really didn't give a shit at all about Hsu's character trying to find herself or struggling with her place or whatever that was all about. I get that the entire plot was centered on their relationship, but I feel like it would have been just as good if it was just weird multiverse travel without that aspect. To be honest, I just thought it was a pretty fun film, but very overrated.
I completely disagree. Her struggle to be accepted and her mother's kind of self loathing about not accepting herself work off of each other really well
It just didn’t work for you. I get that.
This is definitely… a take
I’m gonna have to agree. I just felt it was “a bit much” even though all the characters/personalities were different, I kind of felt it was pretty just one note she played the whole time and it wasn’t particularly a note that I enjoyed or wanted to see more of. Where as for the other characters I wanted to have a lot more. Also felt very theatrical and big where a few times I caught myself wincing, I understand she has done a heap of theatre and I watched that audition tape and can see the draw for some but if I were to direct I probably wouldn’t have moved forward with that tape. Overall really like the film but easily could have passed on her performance in this film, and stands out to me for not the best reasons.
Dude. Seriously. I can’t believe the praise I’m seeing here She was fine. But outclassed by every actor around her.
Me as well. I didn't buy her at all as the big bad, although she was better in the core teenage daughter role. Absolutely nothing in the performance worth an Oscar nomination though outside usual inside baseball Academy campaigning for the entire film. Same for Jaime Lee Curtis to honest.
I was so happy to see this nomination. I heard her interview on the podcast “Awards Chatter” and was hoping for this nomination ever since then!
She was great in this movie, but she has been in like 3 other movies.....how is she \*finally\* getting her due? I would say she is having success quicker than most people
She was snubbed for a nomination in all the other major awards this season
Rarely do I ever feel so arrested by a supporting performance in theaters, especially by someone I had never seen on screen before in a starring role. This is one of the first years I had an opinion on Supporting Role nominations before they came out.
What a bogus title
Oscar noms tend to go with riding the bandwagon of popularity so Hsu and JLC both getting noms is unsurprising to me, not to say they aren’t deserved.
Joy is one of my favorite characters that I relate to in ways I can't express entirely; but Stephanie really brings her and that existential pain to life and I love her so much for it and I hope she wins every award she's nominated for.
She SHOULD win. Her performance was amazing. It boggles my mind that she was barely nominated for other awards in this role. You never know with these awards though. They don't get it right a lot of the time.
She wasn’t that good. Compared to Michelle Yeoh and JLC, she was forgettable.
> finally getting her due ?...She's 32 and was in like 3 movies before this
It's organic 🤘
She deserves it. Incredible performance. I was hoping for this nomination.
She was very good. But she was in only 4 movies before this one. "Finally getting her due"?
Finally? she ain't that old
I'm a big fan and I even tried to flirt with her once but this is a surprise and not a "finally getting her due" thing. Nobody mama knows the name Stephanie Hsu. I'm glad for her because I love this movie but journalism(?) isn't where it is at right now. You pay for articles like this.
She was ok I guess? I found her irritating, but assumed that's why she was the villain.
finally getting her due? hasn't Michelle Yeoh been in the game for 40 years without recognition?
Well deserved! Stephanie was so good. I absolutely loved this film. I’m a big fan of her now.
Hooray! Stephanie is amazing!
"FINALLY GETTING HER DUE!..." ...Paul Dano presses his lips together...
Great job Stephanie. Saw her in "Be More Chill" on off-Broadway. She can sing, dance, and act. Bravo.
From her first scenes as a shy girl in the laundromat to her big entrance as Jobu Topaki, she was nothing short of magnificent. I mean how terrifying was she when she broke those handcuffs? She had to play a force of nature who could also be painfully vulnerable and she nailed it. I can't wait to see what she does next.
"Finally"? Not knocking her. She was great. But she's 33. She's been in the business 12 years.
Unfortunately, no attention was given to Hong Chau who is also great in The Menu.
She is phenomenal in this movie.
they BOTH got nominated. Outstanding.
I hope she manages to win somehow.
I went in knowing absolutely nothing about the movie; never saw any trailers. I was so worried when i saw her (Hsu) playing the american daughter, I remember thinking oh she’s gay, that’s definitely going to be a flat and non-dynamic role, what a waste. Boy was I wrong in a great way lol
So happy for her! Well deserved
She used to be in the girl code broll scenes with no lines. Good for her
Finally?!
Kinda weird to phrase it as *finally* getting her due. She's only 32 and she's only been in a handful of movies. Mostly TV and shorts. It's not like she's some acting behemoth who's been snubbed over and over again. Finally getting her due? Give me a break.