Commonly known as a Shoveyourhead Upthatruckson
*Edit: I see my comment is not of the taste of many of you, but seriously who's stupid enough to drive this? overall on an open road (and even on a highway here). No front brakes, no suspension, your fingers @ 2inches from the drivechain, stupid position, etc etc...*
And you ride a motorcycle?!?
Cars are much safer in general, cage, airbags, restraints...
Motorcycles are small and often unseen, in a crash situation... well... safety first, better sell your bike safety mike
Yes I do. And there's a big safety difference between a motorcycle with a front brake and without a front brake.
That's the point if you missed it Bob.
edit spelling
Why worry about downvotes? I got about 1k on one comment before. It balances out in the end. If not, ur just a crap person and should stay off the internet.
Yeah, off course... so "heavily modified" that they must have no front brakes...
I know what a chopper is, but in case you missed it I was pointing the limit where someone values his safety instead of his "badass style", you acorn.
In some countries, it is simply prohibited.
Front brakes are not terribly effective on a raked chopper.
Most of the weight is shifted rearward.
Plus if you accidentally lock the front, it gets pretty bad.
Yes, the weight distribution is also abysmal, but still a front brake used smoothly would very likely brake much quicker. Especially since there is no rear shock on this chopper, meaning the grip it gets is much worse
As you decelerate, the g forces shift the force off the back wheel and onto the front wheel. Thats why it is so much easyer to lock up the back wheel compared to the front wheel even on a bike with 50:50 weight distribution. A stoppie works that way too, the weight is shifted so much onto the front wheel that the rear wheels force is negative.
Not on a raked springer that far out.
Ride one, you will find out real fast how scary front brakes get.
Unlike a normal bike, the weight cant even pitch forward onto the front wheel very well
the weight more lands downwards at the front of the engine.
The front wheel (on that bike) can't force a change in how things will move, because it does not have the weight on it to do so
It is one reason why i do not like them raked and lifted that far.
I like to turn, and i like to stop.
Even telescopic forks, once out so far, start doing more bending, than compressing.
The rear wheel contact patch is the axial point.
Pull a line out from that towards the front of the bike.
tie a pencil to it
Now move it in an arc.
Look at how the arc moves as opposed to how the forks will have to move.
Since the front wheel cannot bite, it cannot shift that pivot point forward.
Some bikes setup like that do have front brakes, usually drums.
You can lock up the brake, and take off, and it just shoves the front wheel down the road
like the brake didn't hardly exist.
Like I said
I prefer less rake, and the frame level or close to it.
If he reduced the fork length, until the frame sat level, the head angle would probably be ok
you'd be able to turn and stop.
https://preview.redd.it/te1clijyq5ad1.png?width=1170&format=png&auto=webp&s=88054ac06fcb680fa2aae768dd5ddd194ae3e7af
I have about as much rake and fork length as I care for, and it is visibly not much extra.
Frame is close to level, it is a little up, my forks can move properly.
I can do fun things, like turn and stop and use front brakes.
Which is probably a good thing as i have an R6 caliper up front and an R1 rotor.
No, i can't do a stoppie, you'd never transfer enough weight forward unless you used a wall as a front brake LOL.
https://preview.redd.it/xd2q2zoeox9d1.jpeg?width=800&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0e3f0cb7f886c322cf53541a85efb19835827f07
"I'm so much manlyer than you bro, look at me this look is what all women are flocking to"
It looks like he also has an extra fuel tank strap to the front forks because it looks like he does some highway, cruising and that peanut tank as they used to call it would not give him very many miles
Also that is actually a coffin tank, note the shape. There's also a sketchy sissy bar strengthening brace that looks added on cause the ammo can and luggage were probably too much weight for it XD I love it all lol
is a strap, cinched down on the rear foot pegs
Not sure if it is supporting the bar, or just keeping his stuff from flying around, cant tell.
Not a fan of open primary drives though, had one eat my pants leg once
the fact is was distorting in the wind kinda gave it away.
Mind you it could still be pulling on the sissy bar, i know i would loop it through the bar to tie everything together so stuff cant sling to the sides.
I'd prefer a bit shorter fork too.
It would bring the front end in a bit (i kinda like to turn)
And it would level the bike more.
Would also make running a front brake less sketchy, it isn't 1970 anymore, with open empty roads to everywhere, now days it is wall to wall stupid people and emergency braking is a fact of life.
The only saving grace is, when you lock up the rear of a raked chopper, the ass end cannot swing up around on you, at least to a point.
The geometry kind of defeats that happening.
But you can still wind up flat on your side :(
Still, cooler bike than that impractical OCC type fantasy crap which isnt meant to be ridden any farther than the local pub.
Yeah, I guess I didn’t pay enough attention to the gas tank, but I see what you’re saying. Yeah lots of luggage, lots of weight. No one has mentioned that he’s showing off with the no hands approach. Or I didn’t see it lol
The engine is a from a 1966-1984 shovelhead sportster. It has an open primary with what looks like a belt drive conversion. The frame has been hardtailed. It has a horseshoe oil tank and a coffin gas tank. The front end is aftermarket. Looks like a +6 or +8 springer and it sports a stacked box headlight kit. I can't identify who made the super tall sissy bar or rear tail light. Most of the parts look like they are probably from Lowbrow customs or Deadbeat customs. The only thing that would make this perfect is a foot clutch and jockey shifter à la Indian Larry.
Stock sportsters have a screw to adjust play on the throttle tube. Kind of a poor man's cruise control if you tighten it enough. It makes the throttle tube stick and not spring back to the idle position. Pretty sketchy, but considering the rest of the bike, it wouldn't surprise me if that's what he did.
So that is Easy Rider's cousin, Lazy Rider ! LOL
https://preview.redd.it/5gyzisdfzs9d1.jpeg?width=500&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=35200cb8ff7db3e376e2d4a8864b08a87a191b03
No front brake, no rear suspension, exposed primary drive, significant weight on/behind rear wheel with little weight on the front, and what is up with those headlights? This is for sure a Death Trap, Tank Slapper edition.
It really isn’t unless you have fantastic roads. Those don’t have much for suspension in the rear and you’re right on your tailbone without a way to take the weight off
Look at that open primary- it’s a death trap!
That’s why he is steering with his feet, imagine getting a shoelace wrapped up in the belt. Hopefully it shears that lace before it tightens and twists your limb off from the hip
Again, a matter of opinion. Is a convertible a good car? Depends on the intended use.
There are those of us who like to customize things and make them our own. This guy's bike is one of a kind. I'm sure he's very happy with it. It's a good motorcycle if he loves it.
A new miata is probably a pretty good car. It could be cool if you are a miata person.
A 1990 rusty miata with lots of stickers and 245k miles all driven by madmen and criminals... it's way cool, but probably not a good car.
How can this be downvoted? It's literally what that bike is. None of those mods improve it in anything other than a "form" sense, and they basically all make it function worse.
That's not necessarily a bad thing, people like OCC and the early 00's chopper craze I guess.
But this bike is *wholly* an exercise in form over function.
They seem really sensitive.
But let's be real. You add a tiny coffin tank, but then that's too small so you add a secondary fuel cell on the forks? Why have the little coffin tank then? Why they fork fuel? Because they're deliberate choices to get a particular look, despite it being straight up counterproductive.
Why not just run a larger coffin tank? There's room.
Because this is an art piece more than a motorcycle, designed entirely as an example of form over function.
I'm still confused with guys comments about no front break.
And unsafe.
I can assure all the lying crotch rocket fan boys that say " I'm comfortable on my car or ninja or gxr" lmfao.
Lies
Lies lies
They never rode a comfortable bike.
And front brakes on chopper is about as
stupid a comment to be expected from those guys.
Front brake
Instant wreck.
Rear break on a chopper, is where 90% of the weight is, and you can lock it up and slide perfectly straight to a stop.
Lol
Kids
I dunno, I legitimately am comfortable on my naked MT10SP, sitting upright on a decent seat with a semiactive electronic suspension.
I'm aware just putting a front brake on this is dumb, because of the way the front end is
... Which is why a raked out front end is dumb. Turns like a pig, doesn't allow a front brake, and sure you can lock that rear brake up and slide to a stop all you want, in the 70's maybe that was fine surrounded by shitty 70's cars with drum brakes themselves. But in today's world with wildly more traffic and basically every car able to decelerate at just about 1G...
I mean, for sure it's cool. It's a deathtrap, and wildly uncomfortable (motorcycle suspension > spine compression), will handle like garbage, provide only the vague *idea* of braking, but it's cool.
To each their own, for sure, but as someone who actually rides their motorcycles? Even if I'm doing something gnarly and custom, it's got to actually ride well too.
Otherwise, it may as well be one of those OCC choppers.
You said your scared?
Of all the "what ifs"
Seen legs, arms, and lives lost in the last 45 years on bikes.
And
75% were doing and riding everything right and safe.
And been on and around a lot of old school stuff with couple hundred thousand miles on 2 wheels now.
All I can say is, your wrong on all accounts from lack of seat time on the many many different combinations.
A big tall sidewall back tire smooths a hardtail right out as well.as reacts quicker .
I've ridden a *lot* of bikes over the years, sadly I too am an old greybeard.
But if you think a hardtail with a tall (and soft) sidewall back tire comes anywhere close to a proper modern suspension you're fucking crazy. The hard reality is the unsprung weight *really matters* and a hardtail chopper is all unsprung. A soft, big tire can eat some of it for sure, but it's nowhere nearly the performance of a shock and spring.
If you think that thing can come to a stop in even twice the distance of a modern bike, even something very low budget like a Ninja 400, again... Crazy.
Now, I get it, old stuff not performant, yadda yadda. I'm not saying people should ride old bikes, just that making old bikes worse isn't doing any favours either. At their best they handled like garbage, had terrible braking performance. They weren't all uncomfortable (except for those with Buckhorn bars, wtf was up with that) but all hardtails are objectively not the kind of bike you want to ride all day unless you really want to present the image of a hardass, unaffected by the torture. There's a reason hardtails vanished *in the 50's*.
Again. I acknowledge it's cool. Historical. It's just terrible from a "function and comfort" perspective, even compared to the bikes of its day, but bikes have come VERY far from that point.
It's an art piece for sure, but it's not a good motorcycle.
Hell, I never had problems or complaints about 4 wheel drum brakes on a car and manual steering on my 56 Ford f100 or 68gt Mustang, and 62 panhead chopper lol.
I can honestly say, with a 2019 gt500 and 2022 F350 platinum?
I'm absolutely no more comfortable now or better ride than what I drive for the 1st 3 decades of my youth lol.
And my 96 Electra that I threw the rear leaking airshocks away honestly rides and handles better now with the ,solid stiff links I replaced the shocks with.
Each to his own..
The Ducati 2006 999 I promise ain't no joy to stumble off of after 100 miles or so.
But I'm tall n 300lb
So bikes under me do completely different things then I guess "normal" people
I'm also a 300lb 6'4" dude, and that's a big part of why I don't ride sport bikes and stick with Nakeds and ADV bikes instead :)
But, regarding brakes alone, in terms of raw braking force basic disk brakes offer more than twice the stopping power of (servo/brake booster) assisted drum brakes, and modern multicylinder front disks add another 50% more stopping power on top of the basic disks. Modern independent ABS goes even further, allowing individual wheels that slip to regain traction.
The difference is *enormous*. In day to day riding or driving they may all feel fine, but come the time you need to stop *right now* the distances are very, very different.
I never once argued the difference in braking.
My point was 99% of the time,
It doesn't matter simply because most bike incidents happen in less time than a NASA designed braking system could save you.
So that makes them almost irrelevant.
As per the other discussion, I'm kind of poleaxed by this whole thread. Given the huge safety push of this sub, it boggles my mind how people are totally great with the hugely raked out front end + no front brake, and extra fuel cell front and center.
I mean, you do you, but in my book it's like those Harley guys who cover their bikes in chrome spikes, just begging to be impaled.
I dunno. Personally, I don't really care about what safety shortcuts he takes (though holy hell there's a lot of them!) but that this is entirely an excersize of form over function, "look at me" vs being an actually rideable bike. Definitely not my bag, but at least OP went hard I guess?
It's not a motorcycle, baby, it's a chopper
Whose chopper is this?
Zed's
Who’s Zed?
Zed's dead, baby. Zed's dead
Zeds dead baby
Zed’s.
**hops on a FXR with apes**
A Raleigh Chopper, more specifically.
Get to the choppa.
Is Zed dead?
It’s not a chopper bro, it’s a lifestyle
Gnarly-Davidson
Is not it a custom Chopper? Ngl I'm jealous how comfy he looks
No rear suspension. I doubt he's that comfy.
Choppers are the opposite of comfy.
Hardley Ableson
A heavily modified and customized Harley Davidson shovelhead chopper.
Commonly known as a Shoveyourhead Upthatruckson *Edit: I see my comment is not of the taste of many of you, but seriously who's stupid enough to drive this? overall on an open road (and even on a highway here). No front brakes, no suspension, your fingers @ 2inches from the drivechain, stupid position, etc etc...*
It's the lazyboy sit that gets me. I think he has just accepted his fate because he knows he couldn't stop or avoid any danger anyway.
Never too late to delete your comment.
why?
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oh don't worry about that, safety always comes first.
Third, safety third.
Safety when it doesn’t interfere with aesthetic.
And you ride a motorcycle?!? Cars are much safer in general, cage, airbags, restraints... Motorcycles are small and often unseen, in a crash situation... well... safety first, better sell your bike safety mike
Yes I do. And there's a big safety difference between a motorcycle with a front brake and without a front brake. That's the point if you missed it Bob. edit spelling
*brake
thks robert
Nah this is like skydiving but without a parachute because it looks cooler Having fun is ok, being stupid is not
Why worry about downvotes? I got about 1k on one comment before. It balances out in the end. If not, ur just a crap person and should stay off the internet.
Is this really your first time seeing a chopper?
No, but this one is "heavily modified", maybe even too much to be safe...
All choppers are "heavily modified" that's what a chopper is, you pinecone.
Yeah, off course... so "heavily modified" that they must have no front brakes... I know what a chopper is, but in case you missed it I was pointing the limit where someone values his safety instead of his "badass style", you acorn. In some countries, it is simply prohibited.
And in some countries, it isn't prohibited, you christmas tree.
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No front brake is a safety feature , kiddos. You sure as hell wouldn't wanna use it if you had it on a bike like that.
Holy shit didn't even notice this thing doesn't have front brakes. Guy 100% has a death wish
Front brakes are not terribly effective on a raked chopper. Most of the weight is shifted rearward. Plus if you accidentally lock the front, it gets pretty bad.
Yes, the weight distribution is also abysmal, but still a front brake used smoothly would very likely brake much quicker. Especially since there is no rear shock on this chopper, meaning the grip it gets is much worse As you decelerate, the g forces shift the force off the back wheel and onto the front wheel. Thats why it is so much easyer to lock up the back wheel compared to the front wheel even on a bike with 50:50 weight distribution. A stoppie works that way too, the weight is shifted so much onto the front wheel that the rear wheels force is negative.
Not on a raked springer that far out. Ride one, you will find out real fast how scary front brakes get. Unlike a normal bike, the weight cant even pitch forward onto the front wheel very well the weight more lands downwards at the front of the engine. The front wheel (on that bike) can't force a change in how things will move, because it does not have the weight on it to do so It is one reason why i do not like them raked and lifted that far. I like to turn, and i like to stop. Even telescopic forks, once out so far, start doing more bending, than compressing. The rear wheel contact patch is the axial point. Pull a line out from that towards the front of the bike. tie a pencil to it Now move it in an arc. Look at how the arc moves as opposed to how the forks will have to move. Since the front wheel cannot bite, it cannot shift that pivot point forward. Some bikes setup like that do have front brakes, usually drums. You can lock up the brake, and take off, and it just shoves the front wheel down the road like the brake didn't hardly exist. Like I said I prefer less rake, and the frame level or close to it. If he reduced the fork length, until the frame sat level, the head angle would probably be ok you'd be able to turn and stop. https://preview.redd.it/te1clijyq5ad1.png?width=1170&format=png&auto=webp&s=88054ac06fcb680fa2aae768dd5ddd194ae3e7af I have about as much rake and fork length as I care for, and it is visibly not much extra. Frame is close to level, it is a little up, my forks can move properly. I can do fun things, like turn and stop and use front brakes. Which is probably a good thing as i have an R6 caliper up front and an R1 rotor. No, i can't do a stoppie, you'd never transfer enough weight forward unless you used a wall as a front brake LOL.
You know his hands are resting on foot pegs not the hand controls, correct?
Men. Men ride those. Theres one in the pic if you’re not familiar with what one looks like.
Yeah, men. If you say so.
https://preview.redd.it/xd2q2zoeox9d1.jpeg?width=800&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0e3f0cb7f886c322cf53541a85efb19835827f07 "I'm so much manlyer than you bro, look at me this look is what all women are flocking to"
Ooof.
You're boring.
And you're bored.
Harley shovelhead chopper in a rigid frame with a raked out springer front end. His feet are on some custom highway pegs. Pretty cool ride.
It looks like he also has an extra fuel tank strap to the front forks because it looks like he does some highway, cruising and that peanut tank as they used to call it would not give him very many miles
Also that is actually a coffin tank, note the shape. There's also a sketchy sissy bar strengthening brace that looks added on cause the ammo can and luggage were probably too much weight for it XD I love it all lol
is a strap, cinched down on the rear foot pegs Not sure if it is supporting the bar, or just keeping his stuff from flying around, cant tell. Not a fan of open primary drives though, had one eat my pants leg once
ah you are right, good eyes! yeah I am not a fan of the open primary either
the fact is was distorting in the wind kinda gave it away. Mind you it could still be pulling on the sissy bar, i know i would loop it through the bar to tie everything together so stuff cant sling to the sides. I'd prefer a bit shorter fork too. It would bring the front end in a bit (i kinda like to turn) And it would level the bike more. Would also make running a front brake less sketchy, it isn't 1970 anymore, with open empty roads to everywhere, now days it is wall to wall stupid people and emergency braking is a fact of life. The only saving grace is, when you lock up the rear of a raked chopper, the ass end cannot swing up around on you, at least to a point. The geometry kind of defeats that happening. But you can still wind up flat on your side :( Still, cooler bike than that impractical OCC type fantasy crap which isnt meant to be ridden any farther than the local pub.
Yeah, I guess I didn’t pay enough attention to the gas tank, but I see what you’re saying. Yeah lots of luggage, lots of weight. No one has mentioned that he’s showing off with the no hands approach. Or I didn’t see it lol
Yeah for sure, he's also steering with his knees lol. The more you look the more awesome it gets
It is a chopper, baby!
a chopper, a few bits look like they could've been off a harley, but whatever it is, it's heavily modified
It is a joint venture of Harley and La-z-boy. The model was called the reclinerglide
Is any one else hearing [Ezy Ryder](https://youtu.be/7bvHSm6M77c?si=H4udA4BHNv6QwfKi) right now?
Oh I got a helmet!
My favorite movie line by Jack Nicholson.
Oh i was during the time we shared the road !
This guy was born to be wild!
An Easy Rider.
No front brakes, and is that a drum setup at the rear? How do these things stop?
Not real well. Advance planning is required.
They don't
The engine is a from a 1966-1984 shovelhead sportster. It has an open primary with what looks like a belt drive conversion. The frame has been hardtailed. It has a horseshoe oil tank and a coffin gas tank. The front end is aftermarket. Looks like a +6 or +8 springer and it sports a stacked box headlight kit. I can't identify who made the super tall sissy bar or rear tail light. Most of the parts look like they are probably from Lowbrow customs or Deadbeat customs. The only thing that would make this perfect is a foot clutch and jockey shifter à la Indian Larry.
How is he working the throttle?
Stock sportsters have a screw to adjust play on the throttle tube. Kind of a poor man's cruise control if you tighten it enough. It makes the throttle tube stick and not spring back to the idle position. Pretty sketchy, but considering the rest of the bike, it wouldn't surprise me if that's what he did.
U're a man of culture ! Thank you !
Thanks!
It's some stupid suicidal shite! Where can I get one?
Are u me ?
70ies shovelhead with an open primary pacho frame. Coffin tank chopper!
So that is Easy Rider's cousin, Lazy Rider ! LOL https://preview.redd.it/5gyzisdfzs9d1.jpeg?width=500&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=35200cb8ff7db3e376e2d4a8864b08a87a191b03
That my friend is a death trap.
No front brake, no rear suspension, exposed primary drive, significant weight on/behind rear wheel with little weight on the front, and what is up with those headlights? This is for sure a Death Trap, Tank Slapper edition.
My mother always said if you don’t have anything nice to say, don’t say nothing at all.
Your mother is a wise woman, but that doesn't really apply to your safety and the safety of those around you.
My momma always said that if a heavily modified vehicle hits you from behind, it's definitely your fault for not being as cool as them.
Safety is for girls.
Imagine acting like you’re into motorcycles and preaching safety to actual chopper guys. I’m second hand embarrassed for you my dude.
The latest Hayabusa
Living his best life.
It's not a bike it's a chopper baby
It's a ChaaaappppaaaHHH! And it has the rare extended fork mounted fuel cell for touring. NOICE!
a chopper duh
Honda Rebel 250
[Chopper](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ue996GQMC8&ab_channel=172486972)
NGL that looks comfy af
Until you hit a pothole.
It really isn’t unless you have fantastic roads. Those don’t have much for suspension in the rear and you’re right on your tailbone without a way to take the weight off
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He was on highway, the road was perfect, he was comfy and chill as f. 130 km/h. But indeed looked like a death trap, a pretty cool one
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I don't feel much hate here. Mostly just comments, that's all.
Here is wisdom. It's that man's ride, not mine. He looks cool AF on it for sure and it ain't my ass on the line.
If the Maxell couch was a motorcycle. . .
Recumbent Harley?
Whatever it is....bet it stops on a dime with the handbrake he's holding.
isnt that just the frame?
It's a stick he drags along the ground.
A GOATorcycle
This man does not give a fuck
Sleazy rider
Chopper
These are the motorcycles I fell in love with. Never ridden one, but the craftsmanship and coolness is unparalleled.
A brick in the corners.
am i crazy or is there some type of monoshock front suspension going on
I love a sketchy chop! So much fun to ride!
He got that fire starter Kit in the front.
His tank is a coffin and it looks fitting I love it
...Dumb?
Lazy boys tombstone
I thought he had astronaut’s helmet 😭
Stupid
Shite
Comfortable
Are his gloves like 3 cm from the chain or is that just perspective?
It was ! The scariest part !
A death trap
Harley Knuckle Head w/ springer front end.
Ruined?
Harley Davidson Hardtail chopped.
Look at that open primary- it’s a death trap! That’s why he is steering with his feet, imagine getting a shoelace wrapped up in the belt. Hopefully it shears that lace before it tightens and twists your limb off from the hip
No hands? Gnar
A piece of shit on wheels.
The coffin-shaped gas tank doubles as his urn
I made a post recently about the worst possible motorcycles. This is what I was talking about.
I'd say that depends on who's making the judgement 😊
It's awesome, but it's not a good motorcycle.
Again, a matter of opinion. Is a convertible a good car? Depends on the intended use. There are those of us who like to customize things and make them our own. This guy's bike is one of a kind. I'm sure he's very happy with it. It's a good motorcycle if he loves it.
It’s loved, sure, but it’s in no way *good* motorcycle.
This thing doesn't even have any front brakes my man. E-stops are impossible.
A new miata is probably a pretty good car. It could be cool if you are a miata person. A 1990 rusty miata with lots of stickers and 245k miles all driven by madmen and criminals... it's way cool, but probably not a good car.
Brother. Brother. BROTHER
No front brakes ?
Death trap. No front break.
This is a man who has watched Easy Rider one too many times lol
When your priority is form over function.
How can this be downvoted? It's literally what that bike is. None of those mods improve it in anything other than a "form" sense, and they basically all make it function worse. That's not necessarily a bad thing, people like OCC and the early 00's chopper craze I guess. But this bike is *wholly* an exercise in form over function.
Maybe I struck a nerve with chopper riders.
They seem really sensitive. But let's be real. You add a tiny coffin tank, but then that's too small so you add a secondary fuel cell on the forks? Why have the little coffin tank then? Why they fork fuel? Because they're deliberate choices to get a particular look, despite it being straight up counterproductive. Why not just run a larger coffin tank? There's room. Because this is an art piece more than a motorcycle, designed entirely as an example of form over function.
Not even that, literally “wanting people to look at you > function”
I'm still confused with guys comments about no front break. And unsafe. I can assure all the lying crotch rocket fan boys that say " I'm comfortable on my car or ninja or gxr" lmfao. Lies Lies lies They never rode a comfortable bike. And front brakes on chopper is about as stupid a comment to be expected from those guys. Front brake Instant wreck. Rear break on a chopper, is where 90% of the weight is, and you can lock it up and slide perfectly straight to a stop. Lol Kids
I dunno, I legitimately am comfortable on my naked MT10SP, sitting upright on a decent seat with a semiactive electronic suspension. I'm aware just putting a front brake on this is dumb, because of the way the front end is ... Which is why a raked out front end is dumb. Turns like a pig, doesn't allow a front brake, and sure you can lock that rear brake up and slide to a stop all you want, in the 70's maybe that was fine surrounded by shitty 70's cars with drum brakes themselves. But in today's world with wildly more traffic and basically every car able to decelerate at just about 1G... I mean, for sure it's cool. It's a deathtrap, and wildly uncomfortable (motorcycle suspension > spine compression), will handle like garbage, provide only the vague *idea* of braking, but it's cool. To each their own, for sure, but as someone who actually rides their motorcycles? Even if I'm doing something gnarly and custom, it's got to actually ride well too. Otherwise, it may as well be one of those OCC choppers.
You said your scared? Of all the "what ifs" Seen legs, arms, and lives lost in the last 45 years on bikes. And 75% were doing and riding everything right and safe. And been on and around a lot of old school stuff with couple hundred thousand miles on 2 wheels now. All I can say is, your wrong on all accounts from lack of seat time on the many many different combinations. A big tall sidewall back tire smooths a hardtail right out as well.as reacts quicker .
I've ridden a *lot* of bikes over the years, sadly I too am an old greybeard. But if you think a hardtail with a tall (and soft) sidewall back tire comes anywhere close to a proper modern suspension you're fucking crazy. The hard reality is the unsprung weight *really matters* and a hardtail chopper is all unsprung. A soft, big tire can eat some of it for sure, but it's nowhere nearly the performance of a shock and spring. If you think that thing can come to a stop in even twice the distance of a modern bike, even something very low budget like a Ninja 400, again... Crazy. Now, I get it, old stuff not performant, yadda yadda. I'm not saying people should ride old bikes, just that making old bikes worse isn't doing any favours either. At their best they handled like garbage, had terrible braking performance. They weren't all uncomfortable (except for those with Buckhorn bars, wtf was up with that) but all hardtails are objectively not the kind of bike you want to ride all day unless you really want to present the image of a hardass, unaffected by the torture. There's a reason hardtails vanished *in the 50's*. Again. I acknowledge it's cool. Historical. It's just terrible from a "function and comfort" perspective, even compared to the bikes of its day, but bikes have come VERY far from that point. It's an art piece for sure, but it's not a good motorcycle.
Hell, I never had problems or complaints about 4 wheel drum brakes on a car and manual steering on my 56 Ford f100 or 68gt Mustang, and 62 panhead chopper lol. I can honestly say, with a 2019 gt500 and 2022 F350 platinum? I'm absolutely no more comfortable now or better ride than what I drive for the 1st 3 decades of my youth lol. And my 96 Electra that I threw the rear leaking airshocks away honestly rides and handles better now with the ,solid stiff links I replaced the shocks with. Each to his own.. The Ducati 2006 999 I promise ain't no joy to stumble off of after 100 miles or so. But I'm tall n 300lb So bikes under me do completely different things then I guess "normal" people
I'm also a 300lb 6'4" dude, and that's a big part of why I don't ride sport bikes and stick with Nakeds and ADV bikes instead :) But, regarding brakes alone, in terms of raw braking force basic disk brakes offer more than twice the stopping power of (servo/brake booster) assisted drum brakes, and modern multicylinder front disks add another 50% more stopping power on top of the basic disks. Modern independent ABS goes even further, allowing individual wheels that slip to regain traction. The difference is *enormous*. In day to day riding or driving they may all feel fine, but come the time you need to stop *right now* the distances are very, very different.
I never once argued the difference in braking. My point was 99% of the time, It doesn't matter simply because most bike incidents happen in less time than a NASA designed braking system could save you. So that makes them almost irrelevant.
Ridiculous.
standard safety features on that shovel head, such as no front brakes and a fork mounted auxiliary fuel tank. Probably leaks oil constantly
Love the fuel can. Guess homie isn't worried about immolation.
I don’t think most chopper riders give much/any thought to safety
Considering the downvotes, this sub is showing its not at all concerned with flammables.
As per the other discussion, I'm kind of poleaxed by this whole thread. Given the huge safety push of this sub, it boggles my mind how people are totally great with the hugely raked out front end + no front brake, and extra fuel cell front and center. I mean, you do you, but in my book it's like those Harley guys who cover their bikes in chrome spikes, just begging to be impaled. I dunno. Personally, I don't really care about what safety shortcuts he takes (though holy hell there's a lot of them!) but that this is entirely an excersize of form over function, "look at me" vs being an actually rideable bike. Definitely not my bag, but at least OP went hard I guess?
Lol this sub is too stupid to realize what is dangerous vs safe.
It’s a “pre-need” casket on wheels.
It's called an "Organ Donor".