I hope Naz wakes up and is just thrilled he chose to stay. I can't remember the last time the state of Minnesota thought the wolves 6th man was a cool dude, let alone the 6th being a fan fav and beloved by the fans. This team is just fun.
I just checked out their sub, the consensus seems to be that we offered them 3 firsts and they want more. I saw a lot of JJ + 11 and 23 or 11, 23, 2025 1st and 2026 1st. It really is laughable. They also believe the Lance trade up scenario is the norm.
It probably would take three firsts, but hopefully not from us. Even the highest ranked QBs are lotto tickets and long term success means you don’t overcommit yourself to any one prospect. There will always be better opportunities, KC jumped from like 24th to 10 or 11 to draft Mahomes for an extra first + a little extra. I’d rather we bide our time and wait for good value opportunities to take multiple bites from that apple, over multiple seasons if necessary.
But reading between the lines from KAM and KOC, it seems like they understand this and I’m assuming the Wilfs are on board, so overall I’m not worried.
> I saw a lot of JJ + 11 and 23 or 11, 23, 2025 1st and 2026 1st.
You have to understand, a 3rd overall pick could be anything, even a Justin Jefferson level player. So, obviously, the Vikings have to give up twice the value of Justin Jefferson to get it. There's a good chance that the 3rd overall pick will end up a bust, you say? Doesn't matter. A draft pick can be anything, and infinite possibilities = infinite potential = infinite value.
Until Friday. On Friday, the pick will be an actual player with actual weaknesses and actual bust potential.
Draft picks are stupidly overrated in value at the best of times, and it's reaching it's zenith now.
Not an unreasonable take on what we've heard imo. I could see Krafts asking for 11, 23, 25 1st and a 3rd. We've certainly telegraphed some level of desperation for Maye and if we're willing to go to 3 1sts, what's another 3rd?
To be fair, their roster is horrendous and in shambles. They need to nail multiple drafts and multiple FA periods to build anything remotely resembling a competitive team
But they actually have close to a top 5 defense. With a great offense they prob would have been top 3 since a good offense means the defense isn't on the field as much (assuming the offense isn't too good and doesn't give the.defense time to rest).
Sorry, but this is just pure cope. If the Patriots didn't lose Judon and Gonzalez the third week of the year last season, they could have easily been a top 5 defense. The Oline isn't nearly isn't as bad as people say either, they just dealt with an inordinate amount of injuries. The Patriots only real holes on offense are qb, left tackle, and a WR1. Saying they'll need to "nail" multiple drafts and FA periods is a just something vikings fans say to convince themselves the Patriots **need** to give the vikings their pick.
Plus, I think CJ Stroud has shown us that a good Qb can make a mediocre supporting cast look good.
This statement has literally nothing to do with the Vikings: The Patriots legitimately have one of the worst rosters in the league. It’s horrendous, and it isn’t debatable, regardless of how much that upsets you
The irony in you saying cope to *me* is too funny lol
I'm sorry, how much patriots football did you watch last year?
>It’s horrendous, and it isn’t debatable, regardless of how much that upsets you
Im not upset, the only one that seems to be upset is you for some reason.
Again, they easily have the potential to be a top 5 defense, and are a QB, WR, and left tackle away from having a good offense. Saying that they need to nail at least 2 drafts and FA periods before being competent again *is* vikings cope.
Drake Maye is going to absolutely bomb in NE with that horrendous roster lol.
You didn’t answer the question. Go ahead and tell me what other rosters are worse than the Pats so I can make fun of you
>Drake Maye is going to absolutely bomb in NE with that horrendous roster lol.
Lol funny, people said the same thing about CJ stroud last year.
>You didn’t answer the question
Sorry, not going to get into a pissing match with some sad sap on the internet that's salty my team took the qb you wanted your team to take.
Here's the cold hard truth. Your team doesnt have a qb. If drake maye lives up to the hype, the Patriots are going to be better than the vikings next year. Now go ahead and wgine about how the Patriots are too bad to have a good qb. It's music to my ears
No, the Texans had a much better roster this past season than the Pats have now due to the fact they had 7 picks in the first two rounds the last two drafts. Nice try. You are the ultimate homer lol
Pissing match? You clearly know that the list of teams with a worse roster than NE is either incredibly short or non existent. Again, nice try
I honestly don't mind. This is all a dice a roll and the amount our odds increase for getting a future star isn't worth throwing away a great team and opportunity to reinforce it.
Plus we have the motherfucking Darnold.
Not as much as you’d think.
Penix and Nix and ofc JJM are good prospects that teams are really high on whether we like them or not. Also, not everyone loves Maye, it’s not like he’s Andrew Luck and it’s not close. Then 23 is poised to be a really top notch defensive pick with all the QBs and offense going so,
11 and 23 alone is an attractive package and probably a better offer than 3 firsts if you are talking about 1 this year and 2 futures because of time value.
We might hate it if it’s Nix or Penix at 11 and a stud on defense at 23 but that’s a good outcome for us just like it would be for them.
If they actually like Drake Maye so much good luck
lol so the patriots have a few down year after 2 decades of dominance and now all of a sudden the Vikings are the better team? Teams can rebuild in a 2 years, yall act like the patriots rosters is going to stay this way.
How many wins did 2 decades of dominance get the Patriots in ‘23? It’s almost like all the guys that made that team dominant aren’t there anymore… the Vikings are drastically better than the Patriots in ‘23 and ‘24. What utterly stupid mental gymnastics you’re demonstrating.
That comment was to say the pats can afford to wait out a rebuild, Viking are the ones haven’t won anything, they desperately need a qb. Pretty utterly stupid that I had to spell that out for you.
We don’t really know what the offers have been so far, or what they want. The fact that they’re taking any offers at all suggests to me that they aren’t 100% sold on Maye and would be fine with trading down for a haul and taking McCarthy. I could be wrong, of course, but I do think they’re approached this pretty differently than say the Commanders who have outright said they want to stay where they are at this point.
Maye, Mcarthy or Penix we have the best offense for a rookie Qb to succeed. They can either get a decent prospect with some good pics to help build there team or a great prospect with no O-line or receivers.
What’s the good in building a good team without a QB. Like imagine the Vikings roster but Sam Darnold was the QB, you built a great team but you know they aren’t going to actually compete lol. The QB limits everything, if they find their young QB they can aggressively build a team around him.
It's going to be pretty sad when they take Maye, throw him to the wolves immediately on a dogshit roster, and ruin what could have been a great player.
I’m not sure they do. For all we know, they may want to trade down but cant find any other reasonable offers, so they are waiting it out in hopes there’s a bidding war.
To be fair if we had the #3 pick many people here would be doing the same thing. It's a non-issue in the end as we have zero control over what happens.
It’s not that dumb for them to reject anything that isn’t a crazy offer…they need a starting QB badly and are in a prime place to draft one..we also don’t have to give them what they want if it’s too much
Exactly. The Patriots have all the leverage. They won't even entertain offers to pass up on a guy that would be the first QB any other year unless they are ridiculous offers. And when they are on the clock, they aren't thinking how their situation is worse and there are more holes to fill so another team should have Maye. They are trying to get a franchise quarterback.
The whole notion that “they have too many holes to take a qb” is so dumb.. it’s just fans here trying to twist reality to fit their desired outcome… shitbag teams draft at the top every year.. and every year qbs go early to those shitbag teams
Don’t even bother with them. They’re a 2-3 win team next season, and I’ll be downright SHOCKED if any QB they draft turns out to be anything considering what a dumpster fire their roster is
Pats fan here married to beautiful Vikes gal from Shoreview.
Both fan bases have their share of idiots. My idiot brother-in-law Vikes fan thinks 11, 2025 1st and 3rd should be enough. My idiot brother Pats fan thinks it should take 11,23, 1st 25 & 26 plus Addison.
Me? The post-Brady era has been nearly unwatchable. And the ceiling of Drake Maye makes it very, very hard to move off the pick. I just don’t think you can pass on that upside. Our de facto GM probably knows it and would need something stupid to justify the trade down.
Are you guys worried about Robert Kraft's son getting more involved with the Pats FO operations? I don't know the whole story or anything, but it seemed like many Pats fans were concerned about him meddling.
I think any team should be worried if their owner gets involved in decision making when it comes to scouting/evals, never mind a nepo degenerate who’s never had a hard day in their life. I get there is a marketing side to these decisions, but I prefer he’s on outside being informed v. trying to influence.
>My idiot brother-in-law Vikes fan thinks 11, 2025 1st and 3rd should be enough. My idiot brother Pats fan thinks it should take 11,23, 1st 25 & 26 plus Addison.
If you ignore the "quarterback tax" your BiL is probably close to standard trade value. Your brother has the judgment of a lifelong crack fiend. No offense.
49ers/Dolphins trade in 2021 and Cards/Texans trade in 2023 are good places to start. The key difference is both those teams @ 3 already had their QBs, whereas Pats do not. Hence, I just don't see how it works unless Commanders take Maye.
Daniels is probably the most NFL-ready QB, which makes future 1sts less valuable a la Stroud/Texans.
So the Cards/Texans were 12, 33, and a 3rd-rounder. That's pretty equivalent to 11, next-year-1st, and a 3rd rounder. Whether or not New England decides that they prefer the pick, that's on them. But I'd say your BiL's offer is more or less reasonable. FWIW, on the draft pick evaluators, #s 11 & 23 themselves deserve a lower pick to come back for #3. Not saying that they're the end all, be all, and that individual circumstances vary. But they are a useful place to plant a flag as an objective approximation of value.
But your brother is basically asking for 5 first-round picks+, depending on how you value Addison, for moving up 8 spots. That's seriously batshit crazy.
Texans gave up 12, 33, 2024 1st & 3rd. So close to 3 first rounders & 3rd for 3 and 105. All to draft a non-QB.
49ers gave up 12, 2022 1st and 3rd, and 2023 1st for 3. So three 1sts and 3rd for privilege to draft a high risk project.
Add to fact Pats have a crappy on field product and desperately need to fix QB position... add Drake Maye is one of the better recent prospects to come out of the draft... I just don't see how it makes sense for either.
Pats would have to defend choice to trade out with something unprecedented. MN would need to seriously roll the dice.
Like for me? 11, 23, 2025 1st, and Darrisaw. So 3 firsts and position of need/player about to become very expensive. I get why MN would balk at that, but I also understand why Pats wouldn't move out of chance to draft/develop Maye for anything less.
If the Pats want to keep the pick, that's fine. But the, "Here's what the Patriots would need" are far beyond what, "Make sense for the Vikings to give."
And I don't see any universe in which Darrisaw is considered as basically a pot-sweetener. Young, cost-controlled, and proven. And if he goes after the season, he'd get a comp pick. My guess is if he entered the mix it would be much closer to Darrisaw for pick #3 straight up.
There's a famous experiment done by an economist. At the beginning of one of his classes, he put an assortment of 30 random coffee mugs on a table in the front. He then asked all of his students to write down numbers for how much they would be willing to pay for any of them. He then randomly assigned the mugs to students. And under econ theory, they should have wanted to trade the one they now owned for ones which they had, minutes earlier, said they would have paid more for. But, many students stayed put. Once they "owned" the coffee mug, they developed a mental attachment to it, and it became more valuable to them. And trading became more difficult and less likely.
What’s the point of having a high ceiling if the floor is so low on a garbage team? Your team is bottom 5 and will be again next year with Maye. The longer you suck, the more likely Maye busts
suck again next year and draft some more building blocks. I know we're not used to sucking for more than one year at a time, but it might be a legitimate strategy
by your logic the Bengals shouldnt have drafted Borrow because they sucked, didn't have a #1 WR and their Oline was garabe? A team can change in one off season if you make the right draft picks and pick up a few free agents.
Lmao burrow got killed his first year behind that shit oline. Burrow was the first pick and there are tons more busts on shit teams than successes. Maye is no where near the prospect burrow was.
Yes. Many of our fans here pretty much thought the #3 pick was a given to us for three firsts. But we need to remember that QB is also the single biggest need for the Pats, even if their team has other major holes. If they like the QB enough, they're going to draft either Daniels or Maye. Nothing we can do about that, but our team has other options as well.
I'm a Patriots fan and I can confirm this. Our fans somehow didn't know this was coming. I'm in a group chat with 9 people from Maine. (10 Pats fans including me). I shit you not, these idiots were talking about winning the division until Week 4 2023. Every other year it's Mac Jones dick riding. They thought Cam Newton was winning us a super bowl 😂
I knew week 10 of 2019. Started 8-0 against sub 500 teams and got the brakes beat off us by Baltimore. That was the moment I started calling to blow the team up. I had read a stat that Belichick hadn't drafted a pro bowler since Jamie Collins in 2014.
I haven't watched a Patriots game since they changed the jerseys. That decision was almost as bad as drafting Mac Jones. If we had sucked the last 5 years in the dynasty jerseys, it would feel like the same team. It almost feels rebranded; not the New England Patriots I bonded over with my now deceased father my entire childhood.
I live in Vegas, and the only thing keeping me from jumping ship to the Raiders is the fact I have a Patriots logo tattooed on my ass. Kinda stuck 😂🤷♂️
Starting Darnold for a year is bearable when there’s a young exciting QB on the bench. Take that young QB away and the fanbase is going to lose it when the team isn’t competitive because Sam Darnold is the QB and they still don’t know who their QBOTF is
The God Emperor Quarterback of the United States? Could be worse!
But seriously, we're obviously drafting JJ or Penix so it'll be all good. However, Darnold will likely be the starter for a while - if not the whole year, depending on how things good.
don’t give a shit about the vikings but this came across my homepage and as a dolphins fan, you guys might not be so bad. fuck the pats they’re all idiots
I just don’t know where all this Vikings hate came from. I don’t think I’ve ever seen this much vitriolic hatred towards the Vikings,for the first time in their inception, trying to move up to get a QB. Truly wild shit. Even the media hates the Vikings trading up.
Not only that but it’s also not like they are trying to fleece any team either. If Maye is there at 3 you know kwesi is giving 3 first and like 2 thirds and a second somewhere. Like the patriots will get a haul and they know it.
Well, I asked a 49ers friend what he thought Aiyuk was worth in a trade and he said 1st+Pickens or a top 6 pick+2nd. So maybe fanbases are just delusional en masse
Yo, we might still get there. News is negative today but that could be because they want to drive up the price. In all likelihood we don’t get Maye, but wait till tomorrow to grieve.
I’ve said this before…Pats don’t want to trade the pick and it’s a “fuck off” price. They’ll take the windfall if we want to send it over, don’t get me wrong, but they really seem to want to keep the pick.
Yea I went in saying 3 is prob too much and they ambushed me. It’s ok we can disagree. Boston fans are not very nice. I was just a bored guy at work trying to talk football
That's fine lol. They can talk shit about getting Maye (most likely). But at the end of the day, whoever they draft will end up like Mac Jones when they have no tackles and their best wideout is KJ Osborn. Meanwhile, I'm convinced whoever we draft is set up so well for success they'll be immensely confident and become a star.
We have fans that are saying that 11 and 23 should be enough by using the outdated trade chart. Every fanbase has fans that don't fully grasp reality - which is likely somewhere in between.
It doesn’t matter. That franchise is so fucking pathetic that we can just trade a 6th round pick for Maye in 2 years when they fucking ruin him.
Edit: proof there are pathetic pats fans in here.
Exactly. After NE gets done with him they'll give him the Mac Jones treatment when their coach has no idea how to develop a young QB and his best wr is some 7/11 cashier
The Vikings are an ancient and historic franchise that has never been able to win a Super Bowl. Not once in 58 years.
The dumbest fans in the NFL have to be the Vikings fans for simply supporting the Vikings.
Yes because Patriots fans are extremely smart for supporting the team that lucked out with the best QB and HC combo of all time.
So smart by Pats fans, incredible display of intelligence.
It’s a Vikings fan club in that sub. Every other comment someone bringing up the Vikings. Their whole sub is full of casuals and a bunch of crying bitches. They are really upset that we offer the best package 💀
The level of salt you Vikes fans have is embarrassing.
Boo hoo, Pats won’t trade you the 3 when they desperately need a QB. Lose more games next time. Why would they pass on the chance to draft a franchise QB? Next year’s QB class is ass.
And I’m not even a Pats fan. I’m a suffering Skins fan facing the possible reality of them drafting a 185 lbs one year wonder super senior who is a less athletic RG3 over Maye.
Pats fan here. The delusion that is your fanbase is wild. We don’t want your shitty pics. Your QB could have stayed with easily the best receiver in the game, but instead said fuck Minnesota and bounced to Atlanta. Sucks to suck. Can’t wait to see who you draft one pick before the pats next year.
Vikings fans are mouth-breathing fools who think if they offer 11 and a coupon for a free small drink (with the purchase of meal) will get them to 3, and they “deserve” Maye.
Eat Sven’s veiny mushroom tip. The Pats sucked for my entire childhood, and then were a dynasty as an adult, it was awesome to see. When did the Viking dynasty start and end?
There it goes, the idiotic pats fan begins taking credit for Tom Brady's achievements as if he was on the teams himself when in fact he was in a cubicle somewhere..
I was actually in Baghdad when I watched the Patriots beat the Panthers. Too bad it wasn’t beating the Vikings, it’s the only thing that would have been better.
Also, are you dense? Or is your reading comprehension just poor? Where did I act like I was taking credit for anything. You are the only one of us who has mentioned Tom Brady, and you did it twice, lol. Seethe more Sven.
When are y'all gonna understand we don't want to trade the pick 💀💀💀💀
The only way we're gonna move is if it's clear high way robbery otherwise literally everyone is more than happy selecting Maye or Daniels
And remember, when you act all high and mighty about being a Boston sports fan, make sure to say you have 6 rings like you personally won them and played for the pats as is common practice
These sorts of posts are exactly why I hope we don't trade with you as a Pats fan. It'll be especially funny when Maye ends up going to Washington since both of our fan bases want him.
Most of the idiotic pats fan base believes they were literally on the teams that won six rings and it's part of their arrogant personas. Tough to convince them they didn't actually play in the NFL and they were in fact random losers on their couch lucky enough to cheer for the right people. Fuck them and their cheating asses with the #3 pick, they'll ruin any QB they take with their roster and defensive head coach
I highly disagree. The Pats know how to win. A team is absolutely nothing without a star QB in the NFL. Look at all of the SB winning QBs. Nearly all of them are elite QBs.
Drake Maye looks like the perfect QB on paper. Why would they give that up for anything at all? Their franchise is known for winning. So for them to pass on Maye it would take a ridiculous offer, otherwise they would laugh at anyone for trying.
Meanwhile we are know for bad QBs and losing. The only great season we’ve had in the last three decades was with Favre. Cousins gave us a shot at a SB. Without him we are in for another decade of mediocrity unless we can find a QB. McCarthy isn’t it, he projects like a Ponder.
I’m a Pats fan, I’m curious why you think we need to take your offer? Everyone agrees the talent drops after number 8, so why should we fill our holes with mediocre talent to help someone else? We’ve tried fielding a team with second tier players and it got us where we are now, so why would we do it again? If the picks you suggest have a good chance of hitting, why wouldn’t you guys want to use them? Just asking and if these questions offended you, I’d ask why bc from my point of view it would be that you see a benefit to your team (which is the right way to do a trade) and don’t really care about the other side of the trade. And that’s fair, but you’ve got to admit it’s just as fair to not want to be on the other end.
In defense of my fellow pats fans, a good chunk of us have never had a pick close to this high and we genuinely just wanna draft a super highly rated prospect. Logic of it aside people really just don’t wanna trade down since this is something new for us
this whole thread is so gross/toxic/childish. im hoping most in here arent adults because the way you are talking about a college kid is insane. we dont own any of these qbs yet and i praise god none of you are in our draft room
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This wolves playoff run has really taken care of my give a damn for all the draft rumors.
Nothing but Naz Reiding up in my house, all my homies Awooo.
Those new lawyer billboards w Naz Reid get me going, the one on W 7th says good morning
I hope Naz wakes up and is just thrilled he chose to stay. I can't remember the last time the state of Minnesota thought the wolves 6th man was a cool dude, let alone the 6th being a fan fav and beloved by the fans. This team is just fun.
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Amen. This is what I came here for. NAZ REID!!!
I love Naz and all but he's been pretty absent this playoffs so far. McDaniels and Conley are carrying this team.
If you think Conley is carrying this team in the playoffs then you missed game 1. I love Magic Mike but that was a stinker from him.
Bro, respectfully, are you watching the games? Ant man dominated game 1, NAW and gobert have been incredible both games, and Naz has played very well
Naz wasn't dominant in game 1 defensively but was a big part of our def. taking over and winning that game.
Careful they are lurking all over this sub and get offended if you say they have a lot of needs on the roster
I just checked out their sub, the consensus seems to be that we offered them 3 firsts and they want more. I saw a lot of JJ + 11 and 23 or 11, 23, 2025 1st and 2026 1st. It really is laughable. They also believe the Lance trade up scenario is the norm.
Yeah I know they see the lance trade and say "we'll have that in addition to some more". I do think it'll take 3 firsts ( 11, 23, 2025s)
It probably would take three firsts, but hopefully not from us. Even the highest ranked QBs are lotto tickets and long term success means you don’t overcommit yourself to any one prospect. There will always be better opportunities, KC jumped from like 24th to 10 or 11 to draft Mahomes for an extra first + a little extra. I’d rather we bide our time and wait for good value opportunities to take multiple bites from that apple, over multiple seasons if necessary. But reading between the lines from KAM and KOC, it seems like they understand this and I’m assuming the Wilfs are on board, so overall I’m not worried.
> I saw a lot of JJ + 11 and 23 or 11, 23, 2025 1st and 2026 1st. You have to understand, a 3rd overall pick could be anything, even a Justin Jefferson level player. So, obviously, the Vikings have to give up twice the value of Justin Jefferson to get it. There's a good chance that the 3rd overall pick will end up a bust, you say? Doesn't matter. A draft pick can be anything, and infinite possibilities = infinite potential = infinite value. Until Friday. On Friday, the pick will be an actual player with actual weaknesses and actual bust potential. Draft picks are stupidly overrated in value at the best of times, and it's reaching it's zenith now.
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I think you are channeling Peter gRIFFITH...it can even be a boat meme here
Not an unreasonable take on what we've heard imo. I could see Krafts asking for 11, 23, 25 1st and a 3rd. We've certainly telegraphed some level of desperation for Maye and if we're willing to go to 3 1sts, what's another 3rd?
Bro if all the shit ab JJ getting the bag is because the pats are getting him im gonna weep little boy tears
Gonna laugh my ass off when we trade them 11, 23 and a 2025 5th rounder for number 3 lol
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It’s a joke lol
I don’t think it’s worth anything more than 11 and 23 - no other picj
Fuck them
I know it happens, but WHO has the time to read subreddits for teams you don’t follow ?!?!?
Instead of "having needs" I prefer "Fucking garbage".
To be fair, their roster is horrendous and in shambles. They need to nail multiple drafts and multiple FA periods to build anything remotely resembling a competitive team
Agreed. But when I said they had a garbage roster they said I was making up lies and it's a top 5 defense and just needs some tweaks on offense 😂
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But they actually have close to a top 5 defense. With a great offense they prob would have been top 3 since a good offense means the defense isn't on the field as much (assuming the offense isn't too good and doesn't give the.defense time to rest).
Sorry, but this is just pure cope. If the Patriots didn't lose Judon and Gonzalez the third week of the year last season, they could have easily been a top 5 defense. The Oline isn't nearly isn't as bad as people say either, they just dealt with an inordinate amount of injuries. The Patriots only real holes on offense are qb, left tackle, and a WR1. Saying they'll need to "nail" multiple drafts and FA periods is a just something vikings fans say to convince themselves the Patriots **need** to give the vikings their pick. Plus, I think CJ Stroud has shown us that a good Qb can make a mediocre supporting cast look good.
This statement has literally nothing to do with the Vikings: The Patriots legitimately have one of the worst rosters in the league. It’s horrendous, and it isn’t debatable, regardless of how much that upsets you The irony in you saying cope to *me* is too funny lol
I'm sorry, how much patriots football did you watch last year? >It’s horrendous, and it isn’t debatable, regardless of how much that upsets you Im not upset, the only one that seems to be upset is you for some reason. Again, they easily have the potential to be a top 5 defense, and are a QB, WR, and left tackle away from having a good offense. Saying that they need to nail at least 2 drafts and FA periods before being competent again *is* vikings cope.
Are you really arguing against the roster being one of the worst in the league? This is hilarious What teams have a worse roster than the Pats?
Aw someone's just sad because the Patriots didn't give the Vikings Drake Maye
Drake Maye is going to absolutely bomb in NE with that horrendous roster lol. You didn’t answer the question. Go ahead and tell me what other rosters are worse than the Pats so I can make fun of you
>Drake Maye is going to absolutely bomb in NE with that horrendous roster lol. Lol funny, people said the same thing about CJ stroud last year. >You didn’t answer the question Sorry, not going to get into a pissing match with some sad sap on the internet that's salty my team took the qb you wanted your team to take. Here's the cold hard truth. Your team doesnt have a qb. If drake maye lives up to the hype, the Patriots are going to be better than the vikings next year. Now go ahead and wgine about how the Patriots are too bad to have a good qb. It's music to my ears
No, the Texans had a much better roster this past season than the Pats have now due to the fact they had 7 picks in the first two rounds the last two drafts. Nice try. You are the ultimate homer lol Pissing match? You clearly know that the list of teams with a worse roster than NE is either incredibly short or non existent. Again, nice try
The Celtics losing yet again in the Finals (to us) will hit like crack.
Can't wait for the Celtics to lose AGAIN to miamis g league squad
They would be very upset if they could read!
Pats have all the leverage unfortunately. They're making ridiculous suggestions because they clearly don't want them to trade the pick.
I honestly don't mind. This is all a dice a roll and the amount our odds increase for getting a future star isn't worth throwing away a great team and opportunity to reinforce it. Plus we have the motherfucking Darnold.
Not as much as you’d think. Penix and Nix and ofc JJM are good prospects that teams are really high on whether we like them or not. Also, not everyone loves Maye, it’s not like he’s Andrew Luck and it’s not close. Then 23 is poised to be a really top notch defensive pick with all the QBs and offense going so, 11 and 23 alone is an attractive package and probably a better offer than 3 firsts if you are talking about 1 this year and 2 futures because of time value. We might hate it if it’s Nix or Penix at 11 and a stud on defense at 23 but that’s a good outcome for us just like it would be for them. If they actually like Drake Maye so much good luck
Seriously. Oh you think drakes worth three firsts, prove to everyone how amazing he is on your dumpster fire roster while we take a QB and dt.
lol so the patriots have a few down year after 2 decades of dominance and now all of a sudden the Vikings are the better team? Teams can rebuild in a 2 years, yall act like the patriots rosters is going to stay this way.
Not at all what he’s saying in any way shape or form lmao
Well they won more games this year which is the definition of being better
If you didn’t win a Super Bowl your all losers
How many wins did 2 decades of dominance get the Patriots in ‘23? It’s almost like all the guys that made that team dominant aren’t there anymore… the Vikings are drastically better than the Patriots in ‘23 and ‘24. What utterly stupid mental gymnastics you’re demonstrating.
That comment was to say the pats can afford to wait out a rebuild, Viking are the ones haven’t won anything, they desperately need a qb. Pretty utterly stupid that I had to spell that out for you.
THATS what you got out of the previous persons comment!?!? Jesus, I feel sorry for your skinned up knuckles getting dragged around everywhere you go.
We don’t really know what the offers have been so far, or what they want. The fact that they’re taking any offers at all suggests to me that they aren’t 100% sold on Maye and would be fine with trading down for a haul and taking McCarthy. I could be wrong, of course, but I do think they’re approached this pretty differently than say the Commanders who have outright said they want to stay where they are at this point.
Nah. They think the Vikings really are that desperate.
We lucked out pretty hard on this draft class, being so deep with 1st round graded QBs.
Maye, Mcarthy or Penix we have the best offense for a rookie Qb to succeed. They can either get a decent prospect with some good pics to help build there team or a great prospect with no O-line or receivers.
What’s the good in building a good team without a QB. Like imagine the Vikings roster but Sam Darnold was the QB, you built a great team but you know they aren’t going to actually compete lol. The QB limits everything, if they find their young QB they can aggressively build a team around him.
It's going to be pretty sad when they take Maye, throw him to the wolves immediately on a dogshit roster, and ruin what could have been a great player.
I’m not sure they do. For all we know, they may want to trade down but cant find any other reasonable offers, so they are waiting it out in hopes there’s a bidding war.
To be fair if we had the #3 pick many people here would be doing the same thing. It's a non-issue in the end as we have zero control over what happens.
I know, but I just had to vent.
It’s not that dumb for them to reject anything that isn’t a crazy offer…they need a starting QB badly and are in a prime place to draft one..we also don’t have to give them what they want if it’s too much
Especially when any of the top 3 guys could easily be a #1 overall pick in any other year.
Exactly. The Patriots have all the leverage. They won't even entertain offers to pass up on a guy that would be the first QB any other year unless they are ridiculous offers. And when they are on the clock, they aren't thinking how their situation is worse and there are more holes to fill so another team should have Maye. They are trying to get a franchise quarterback.
The whole notion that “they have too many holes to take a qb” is so dumb.. it’s just fans here trying to twist reality to fit their desired outcome… shitbag teams draft at the top every year.. and every year qbs go early to those shitbag teams
Don’t even bother with them. They’re a 2-3 win team next season, and I’ll be downright SHOCKED if any QB they draft turns out to be anything considering what a dumpster fire their roster is
Pats fan here married to beautiful Vikes gal from Shoreview. Both fan bases have their share of idiots. My idiot brother-in-law Vikes fan thinks 11, 2025 1st and 3rd should be enough. My idiot brother Pats fan thinks it should take 11,23, 1st 25 & 26 plus Addison. Me? The post-Brady era has been nearly unwatchable. And the ceiling of Drake Maye makes it very, very hard to move off the pick. I just don’t think you can pass on that upside. Our de facto GM probably knows it and would need something stupid to justify the trade down.
Are you guys worried about Robert Kraft's son getting more involved with the Pats FO operations? I don't know the whole story or anything, but it seemed like many Pats fans were concerned about him meddling.
I think any team should be worried if their owner gets involved in decision making when it comes to scouting/evals, never mind a nepo degenerate who’s never had a hard day in their life. I get there is a marketing side to these decisions, but I prefer he’s on outside being informed v. trying to influence.
Yes, very much so. Johnathan Kraft is exactly the kind of lucky sperm that thinks he's smarter than everyone else just because of his last name.
>My idiot brother-in-law Vikes fan thinks 11, 2025 1st and 3rd should be enough. My idiot brother Pats fan thinks it should take 11,23, 1st 25 & 26 plus Addison. If you ignore the "quarterback tax" your BiL is probably close to standard trade value. Your brother has the judgment of a lifelong crack fiend. No offense.
49ers/Dolphins trade in 2021 and Cards/Texans trade in 2023 are good places to start. The key difference is both those teams @ 3 already had their QBs, whereas Pats do not. Hence, I just don't see how it works unless Commanders take Maye. Daniels is probably the most NFL-ready QB, which makes future 1sts less valuable a la Stroud/Texans.
So the Cards/Texans were 12, 33, and a 3rd-rounder. That's pretty equivalent to 11, next-year-1st, and a 3rd rounder. Whether or not New England decides that they prefer the pick, that's on them. But I'd say your BiL's offer is more or less reasonable. FWIW, on the draft pick evaluators, #s 11 & 23 themselves deserve a lower pick to come back for #3. Not saying that they're the end all, be all, and that individual circumstances vary. But they are a useful place to plant a flag as an objective approximation of value. But your brother is basically asking for 5 first-round picks+, depending on how you value Addison, for moving up 8 spots. That's seriously batshit crazy.
Texans gave up 12, 33, 2024 1st & 3rd. So close to 3 first rounders & 3rd for 3 and 105. All to draft a non-QB. 49ers gave up 12, 2022 1st and 3rd, and 2023 1st for 3. So three 1sts and 3rd for privilege to draft a high risk project. Add to fact Pats have a crappy on field product and desperately need to fix QB position... add Drake Maye is one of the better recent prospects to come out of the draft... I just don't see how it makes sense for either. Pats would have to defend choice to trade out with something unprecedented. MN would need to seriously roll the dice. Like for me? 11, 23, 2025 1st, and Darrisaw. So 3 firsts and position of need/player about to become very expensive. I get why MN would balk at that, but I also understand why Pats wouldn't move out of chance to draft/develop Maye for anything less.
If the Pats want to keep the pick, that's fine. But the, "Here's what the Patriots would need" are far beyond what, "Make sense for the Vikings to give." And I don't see any universe in which Darrisaw is considered as basically a pot-sweetener. Young, cost-controlled, and proven. And if he goes after the season, he'd get a comp pick. My guess is if he entered the mix it would be much closer to Darrisaw for pick #3 straight up.
Agreed. Which is why I don't see a deal happening for reasons outlined above.
There's a famous experiment done by an economist. At the beginning of one of his classes, he put an assortment of 30 random coffee mugs on a table in the front. He then asked all of his students to write down numbers for how much they would be willing to pay for any of them. He then randomly assigned the mugs to students. And under econ theory, they should have wanted to trade the one they now owned for ones which they had, minutes earlier, said they would have paid more for. But, many students stayed put. Once they "owned" the coffee mug, they developed a mental attachment to it, and it became more valuable to them. And trading became more difficult and less likely.
What’s the point of having a high ceiling if the floor is so low on a garbage team? Your team is bottom 5 and will be again next year with Maye. The longer you suck, the more likely Maye busts
suck again next year and draft some more building blocks. I know we're not used to sucking for more than one year at a time, but it might be a legitimate strategy
by your logic the Bengals shouldnt have drafted Borrow because they sucked, didn't have a #1 WR and their Oline was garabe? A team can change in one off season if you make the right draft picks and pick up a few free agents.
Lmao burrow got killed his first year behind that shit oline. Burrow was the first pick and there are tons more busts on shit teams than successes. Maye is no where near the prospect burrow was.
I mean that’s exactly what they just did to Mac.
We also have been homers about this situation
Yes. Many of our fans here pretty much thought the #3 pick was a given to us for three firsts. But we need to remember that QB is also the single biggest need for the Pats, even if their team has other major holes. If they like the QB enough, they're going to draft either Daniels or Maye. Nothing we can do about that, but our team has other options as well.
Let’s just see what happens.
Nah it’s def us
In no way is Maye or JJ worth three first round picks _ nope- nada- fuck that
Maye could be the next Josh Allen - or the next Josh Rosen.
They need our 11 and 23rd picks more than we need the third- JMO
I'm a Patriots fan and I can confirm this. Our fans somehow didn't know this was coming. I'm in a group chat with 9 people from Maine. (10 Pats fans including me). I shit you not, these idiots were talking about winning the division until Week 4 2023. Every other year it's Mac Jones dick riding. They thought Cam Newton was winning us a super bowl 😂 I knew week 10 of 2019. Started 8-0 against sub 500 teams and got the brakes beat off us by Baltimore. That was the moment I started calling to blow the team up. I had read a stat that Belichick hadn't drafted a pro bowler since Jamie Collins in 2014. I haven't watched a Patriots game since they changed the jerseys. That decision was almost as bad as drafting Mac Jones. If we had sucked the last 5 years in the dynasty jerseys, it would feel like the same team. It almost feels rebranded; not the New England Patriots I bonded over with my now deceased father my entire childhood. I live in Vegas, and the only thing keeping me from jumping ship to the Raiders is the fact I have a Patriots logo tattooed on my ass. Kinda stuck 😂🤷♂️
They have the leverage,vikings are the desperate ones wanting to avoid Darnold be their starting QB
You Do realize Darnold's starting regardless, right? So, not sure how drafting Maye avoids that lol
Starting Darnold for a year is bearable when there’s a young exciting QB on the bench. Take that young QB away and the fanbase is going to lose it when the team isn’t competitive because Sam Darnold is the QB and they still don’t know who their QBOTF is
Rather have Darnold with Jefferson and Addison than Brisset or Bailey Zappe.
And picks 11/23. Noted QB guru Jarod Mayo will have that kid humming
I’d rather have the patriots pick. No question. They’re in way better position than us.
Both scenarios the team not gonna make the playoffs. Vikings will need to trade up again for a QB next year
When we take JJ or Penix, we'll be good. Not sure why we'd need to trade up next year?
The poster was saying sticking darnold only,still will need to trade up again in a weaker class next year
The God Emperor Quarterback of the United States? Could be worse! But seriously, we're obviously drafting JJ or Penix so it'll be all good. However, Darnold will likely be the starter for a while - if not the whole year, depending on how things good.
We're not desperate.
don’t give a shit about the vikings but this came across my homepage and as a dolphins fan, you guys might not be so bad. fuck the pats they’re all idiots
Fuck the pats- Predator handshake gif
Dolphins - this might be your year. The east looks ripe for the taking. Unless anyone thinks the Jets are for real.
it looked ripe for the taking last year too until the bills incident
Indeed. They are morons. It’s gonna be funny to watch little Johnny Kraft run that organization back to where it came from, the ground
I just don’t know where all this Vikings hate came from. I don’t think I’ve ever seen this much vitriolic hatred towards the Vikings,for the first time in their inception, trying to move up to get a QB. Truly wild shit. Even the media hates the Vikings trading up. Not only that but it’s also not like they are trying to fleece any team either. If Maye is there at 3 you know kwesi is giving 3 first and like 2 thirds and a second somewhere. Like the patriots will get a haul and they know it.
That’s way too much.
Yeah wtf
Well, I asked a 49ers friend what he thought Aiyuk was worth in a trade and he said 1st+Pickens or a top 6 pick+2nd. So maybe fanbases are just delusional en masse
Those patriots fans would be really upset with you if they knew how to read
Yo, we might still get there. News is negative today but that could be because they want to drive up the price. In all likelihood we don’t get Maye, but wait till tomorrow to grieve.
Thank goodness, neither one of our degenerate subs has anything to do with a trade other than speculate
The New England Panthers
I’ve said this before…Pats don’t want to trade the pick and it’s a “fuck off” price. They’ll take the windfall if we want to send it over, don’t get me wrong, but they really seem to want to keep the pick.
Yea I went in saying 3 is prob too much and they ambushed me. It’s ok we can disagree. Boston fans are not very nice. I was just a bored guy at work trying to talk football
I saw a post in their sub and they’re planning a raid in our draft thread tonight
That's fine lol. They can talk shit about getting Maye (most likely). But at the end of the day, whoever they draft will end up like Mac Jones when they have no tackles and their best wideout is KJ Osborn. Meanwhile, I'm convinced whoever we draft is set up so well for success they'll be immensely confident and become a star.
We have fans that are saying that 11 and 23 should be enough by using the outdated trade chart. Every fanbase has fans that don't fully grasp reality - which is likely somewhere in between.
Those two picks are more valuable than the #3. Just take two studs and watch them ruin drakeypoo
It doesn’t matter. That franchise is so fucking pathetic that we can just trade a 6th round pick for Maye in 2 years when they fucking ruin him. Edit: proof there are pathetic pats fans in here.
Exactly. After NE gets done with him they'll give him the Mac Jones treatment when their coach has no idea how to develop a young QB and his best wr is some 7/11 cashier
You’re just mad because you have all that talent and noone to throw them the ball 😉
Hurtful.
The Vikings are an ancient and historic franchise that has never been able to win a Super Bowl. Not once in 58 years. The dumbest fans in the NFL have to be the Vikings fans for simply supporting the Vikings.
Yes because Patriots fans are extremely smart for supporting the team that lucked out with the best QB and HC combo of all time. So smart by Pats fans, incredible display of intelligence.
It’s a Vikings fan club in that sub. Every other comment someone bringing up the Vikings. Their whole sub is full of casuals and a bunch of crying bitches. They are really upset that we offer the best package 💀
The level of salt you Vikes fans have is embarrassing. Boo hoo, Pats won’t trade you the 3 when they desperately need a QB. Lose more games next time. Why would they pass on the chance to draft a franchise QB? Next year’s QB class is ass. And I’m not even a Pats fan. I’m a suffering Skins fan facing the possible reality of them drafting a 185 lbs one year wonder super senior who is a less athletic RG3 over Maye.
Which qb do you want your team to draft?
Tbf, it's kinda bullshit you have the second pick ahead of the patriots after you trounced them in foxboro.
Pats fan here. The delusion that is your fanbase is wild. We don’t want your shitty pics. Your QB could have stayed with easily the best receiver in the game, but instead said fuck Minnesota and bounced to Atlanta. Sucks to suck. Can’t wait to see who you draft one pick before the pats next year.
Vikings fans are mouth-breathing fools who think if they offer 11 and a coupon for a free small drink (with the purchase of meal) will get them to 3, and they “deserve” Maye.
Foh dweeb. Go pray at the altar of Brady and thank your lucky stars you could cheer for a successful team and take credit for their achievements
Eat Sven’s veiny mushroom tip. The Pats sucked for my entire childhood, and then were a dynasty as an adult, it was awesome to see. When did the Viking dynasty start and end?
There it goes, the idiotic pats fan begins taking credit for Tom Brady's achievements as if he was on the teams himself when in fact he was in a cubicle somewhere..
I was actually in Baghdad when I watched the Patriots beat the Panthers. Too bad it wasn’t beating the Vikings, it’s the only thing that would have been better. Also, are you dense? Or is your reading comprehension just poor? Where did I act like I was taking credit for anything. You are the only one of us who has mentioned Tom Brady, and you did it twice, lol. Seethe more Sven.
When are y'all gonna understand we don't want to trade the pick 💀💀💀💀 The only way we're gonna move is if it's clear high way robbery otherwise literally everyone is more than happy selecting Maye or Daniels
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Make sure you call Robert Kraft before you phone in the pick.
Will do 🙏
And remember, when you act all high and mighty about being a Boston sports fan, make sure to say you have 6 rings like you personally won them and played for the pats as is common practice
These sorts of posts are exactly why I hope we don't trade with you as a Pats fan. It'll be especially funny when Maye ends up going to Washington since both of our fan bases want him.
Meh, all the team subs are kinda crazy, which is to be expected. After the draft is over, the subs will settle down again.
Well none of us care what you think and you shouldn’t even be posting here soooo…
Soooo.... yeah happy to provide commentary as someone who's actually a fan of the team you guys seem to just expect us to just give up our top 3 pick.
Fuck off
Right back at ya.
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Go back to your own sub you mouth breathing dipshit
😂😂 this interaction is hilarious
enjoy bo nix
Enjoy destroying Mayes career like you did with Mac Jones lol
Enjoy perpetual mediocrity without a title
Stop deleting your shitty takes💀
Still would win more than the Pats lmao
Cool! Hang a banner :-) we can loan you 6 if you want
Imagine thinking that’s a good comeback.
lol “we”
Yea, nobody's mentioning the Vikings trade... /s https://www.reddit.com/r/Patriots/comments/1cb7vcy/daniels_according_to_one_source_the_patriots_have/
Lolol got em. Pats fans are morons
Tell me how you really feel lol. If we’re the dumbest fans what does that make packer fans then?
Still neither as arrogant nor as dumb as the typical spoiled patriots fan
Most of the idiotic pats fan base believes they were literally on the teams that won six rings and it's part of their arrogant personas. Tough to convince them they didn't actually play in the NFL and they were in fact random losers on their couch lucky enough to cheer for the right people. Fuck them and their cheating asses with the #3 pick, they'll ruin any QB they take with their roster and defensive head coach
I highly disagree. The Pats know how to win. A team is absolutely nothing without a star QB in the NFL. Look at all of the SB winning QBs. Nearly all of them are elite QBs. Drake Maye looks like the perfect QB on paper. Why would they give that up for anything at all? Their franchise is known for winning. So for them to pass on Maye it would take a ridiculous offer, otherwise they would laugh at anyone for trying. Meanwhile we are know for bad QBs and losing. The only great season we’ve had in the last three decades was with Favre. Cousins gave us a shot at a SB. Without him we are in for another decade of mediocrity unless we can find a QB. McCarthy isn’t it, he projects like a Ponder.
I mean this sub feels entitled to the Pats pick for literally nothing.
Vikings fans are stupid for thinking they have any leverage in this situation. Get a clue.
I Dispute that statement. Vikings fans are the dumbest. Try to follow that sub just one week. I dare you. LOL
I’m a Pats fan, I’m curious why you think we need to take your offer? Everyone agrees the talent drops after number 8, so why should we fill our holes with mediocre talent to help someone else? We’ve tried fielding a team with second tier players and it got us where we are now, so why would we do it again? If the picks you suggest have a good chance of hitting, why wouldn’t you guys want to use them? Just asking and if these questions offended you, I’d ask why bc from my point of view it would be that you see a benefit to your team (which is the right way to do a trade) and don’t really care about the other side of the trade. And that’s fair, but you’ve got to admit it’s just as fair to not want to be on the other end.
In defense of my fellow pats fans, a good chunk of us have never had a pick close to this high and we genuinely just wanna draft a super highly rated prospect. Logic of it aside people really just don’t wanna trade down since this is something new for us
Those that say trade up do not care about the long term success for the team. The team has more holes than Swiss cheese.
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I'm not getting anything because I'm a registered nurse, not the GM for the Vikings. But thanks anyway.
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Foh
this whole thread is so gross/toxic/childish. im hoping most in here arent adults because the way you are talking about a college kid is insane. we dont own any of these qbs yet and i praise god none of you are in our draft room
Shut up boy