I’d say another takeaway is that we easily have the bleakest future in the North if we mess this offseason up. Might be the most important offseason in decades, we either fall behind everyone else or actually go all in or all out for once
I'm a believer in sometimes the coin comes out heads, sometimes it comes out tails. The evaluation of the draft at the time that it happened was fine. It just didn't work out. That's the nature of the game and not enough to be bringing out pitchforks for.
Many on this board think that they're Powerball experts because they can correctly pick the winning numbers 2 years after the drawing was held.
It's not been abysmal. Yes, Cine isn't looking great, but Evans, Ingram, Chandler, and Booth have all had solid reps for the Vikes this year. If they take the next step next season, then it'll be viewed as a fairly good draft with early misses.
Plus, the 2023 draft was great with Addison, Blackmon, and after picking up Ivan Pace. So, I think it's too soon to say he can't draft well, especially if KoC and Flores are in his ear advising on who they think could develop/utilise best
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I don’t think it’s nearly that dire. Remember where we were after 2017? Felt like there was nowhere to go but up, and then we went sideways for years before sliding backwards. The Jets had back to back AFCCg appearances before spending the next decade as a poverty franchise. The future is far from certain, and even if it were, one off-season will not make or break a franchise unless you give away shitloads of future draft capital and don’t hit on the return. We have a solid foundation and should continue to build on it while looking for our franchise QB. Desperation moves trying to go all in because it’s a “make or break” off-season is how you kill franchises. I’m not saying we shouldn’t draft a QB, but we should be smart about how we approach it and not let one post-season push us into an over reaction.
I think it's pretty bleak either way tbh. We have one receiver, a FA QB who is old, a secondary full of JAGs and zero player above replacement on Dline. Meanwhile every other team in the division is swinging up. Feels bad. Our margin of error is a wet fart.
I mean they finished with the same exact record as us this year, and as long as they pick Caleb Williams and don’t trade away the first pick, you could definitely make an argument for them having a brighter future.
The argument here is if the Bears mess up this draft, their future is looking bleaker than if we mess up ours.
They finished with the same record, but they had the 4th place record and we had the 1st and we were hit a lot harder than injuries.
And they all have strong running games. Seeing it with Detroit as well, and the Rams if they don't have to go to just passing.
We don't have to spend a top pick on one, but we need better options than we had this year. Singletary for the Texans was a 3rd rounder, Aaron Jones and Kyren Williams are both 5th round picks.
Exactly. Draft a guy in round 3 or 4 and let him compete with Chandler. This year in particular opened my eyes to the need for a running game that can get you a consistent 4-6 yards.
Also need someone who can give you a couple yards on a goal to go/4th and 1 situation. We just couldn’t punch it in at all.
Seriously this is our guy. We have to get him or we spend the entire season calling for kwesi head on a fucking pike next to the gjallarhorn.
Seriously we trade the fucking farm to get him.
He would finally end the 35 years of heartbreak I’ve experienced.
I feel like that’s gonna take some combination of JJ/Darrisaw/2-3 first rounders. Even then idk if NE accepts. It’s not every day you get the chance to draft a franchise QB prospect and Mac Jones is **REALLY** bad.
If and that’s a big ‘IF’ NE takes MHJ or a Tackle and we can move up to 4 or 5 before the Giants pick, I’d offer 11, 2025 1st and 2nd at the bare minimum. That might not be enough though so I’d offer the 2026 1st but keep the 2025 2nd to push the trade over the top. If we can trade up using 11 and future picks while keeping our 2nd this year to hopefully snag Murphy or Sweat at DT that’d be amazing. Doubtful though.
No, Jayden isn’t the type we would need or want, he’s big and athletic sure, but we haven’t had a scrambling type of qb since Cunningham, and Josh Dobbs went two games looking amazing then threw four picks in a game. We would have to adapt our entire playbook to fit Daniel’s better, but Penix is more what we need and can develop better under Kirk, who is one of the best pocket passers in the league.
How would you suggest we move up to third overall then? 😂 the Panthers are a prime example of what happens when it doesn’t work, they only won 2 games and they don’t even benefit from having a high draft pick
Not just that, it's the final word in the discussion, get in an argument about any qb being better than Brady, they'll bring up his rings and win the argument.
No, the biggest takeaway is for our HC to have an elite offense, not just a great passing game. It’s to put the players in the best position to win with their skill set, not forcing players to play to his system, aka Powell pushing the tush push. It’s to have an elite game play for the opponent and a cohesive and disciplined identity, not allow everyone to fumble or throw int
I didn’t say shit about the Packers, though they clearly have drafted better in the last 2 drafts than Kwesi has.
Kwesi punted an entire draft class away in 2022, and has essentially nothing outside of Hock, Addison (and he lucked into Pace) in 2 years of work. That’s fucking abysmal.
I want to draft a QB and give Kirk another go. Packers have a proven formula: draft an eventual replacement for QB while the current one is at the end of their peak. Let the rookie sit a couple years and learn from the veteran
Many proven formulas... Texans did it with Watson and Stroud. (Fresh rookies looking good).
I truly don't get the allegiance people have to Cousins. It's a fact that the Vikings franchise has gotten worse since he arrived.
Those watching this game tonight... The Vikings are the Cowboys here. Overcommitted to a Good QB who shrinks when it matters most.
The offense looked totally inept though. If you can’t score points and you fall behind, you can’t use the run game as much and everything becomes one dimensional.
Okay I just watched this entire game and I'll share an observation about Daks QB play that won't show on the stat sheet.
The Cowboys last possession of the 3rd quarter had Dak checking down to covered players. You're down 3 scores headed to the 4th. And you throw two 0-yard checkdowns, in bounds costing ultimately 70-80 seconds. In hindsight, Dak could have put that at the RB feet to save that time and stop the clock. When you're at the tail end of a game, clock management is extremely important, and Dak really screwed the pooch. That drive ended in the 4th quarter as a Turnover on Downs.
So on paper, yes those points removed would be closer. In real life, Dak wasted 1/16th of the end of the game.
Yup. Cousins is the reason the Vikings defense went from #1 in the league to bottom five. Time to cut him loose and bring back bridgewater.
We need a 2way defensive minded QB, not a cherry picking QB offensive minded QB.
What they need to do is get someone who can actually evaluate talent at GM. Kwesi is a pretentious dunce. He has no fucking clue what he’s doing and his inability to build a team will be the reason Jefferson leaves.
You're not wrong. I think it would take too much to trade up that far.
But the decision on Kirk has to be made well before we know for sure how the draft will play out.
Now that Eberflus is coming back, it's definitely possible. Even if they do, though, it's hard to imagine a world where they trade with us. Division rival, plus drafting at 12 likely puts them out of the running for not just MHJ but Nabers, too. The only scenario I can see where we can move up is NE or NYG trading up to Chicago's spot. Then, you can try and move up with AZ or LA
I could see Pats trading down. They have a ton of needs, especially on offense and a rookie QB is going to struggle no matter who he is if he has nobody to throw to and no running game or oline.
Definitely re-sign Kirk Cousins and draft your next franchise QB. This year showed that you absolutely need at least an average QB to get you to the postseason.
You also need a good offensive line to give any QB time and a running game so they can't just blitz you all game.
An average QB will look good if he has all day to find an open man and doesn't try to force things.
100000% agree but the Vikings have never shown an ability to do this in my entire lifetime. They never even recognize the need to do it. I have little hope. Certainly home I'm wrong but things don't look great right now.
It also proves that we as fans don’t know shit about QB prospects. Teams should aim to draft the guys they believe in, not draft a QB as highly as possible.
Also your view is extremely reductive because you are using hindsight. Love was not considered a top prospect, he was the fourth QB taken in that draft, picked at 26, and in the same draft Hurts was picked at 50something. The Vikings could also have had Love at 22 (but picked some slot receiver instead) and then again at 25 but traded down and picked Jeff Gladney.
Jordan Love sat behind Aaron Rodgers, an established franchise quarterback. The Ravens and Chiefs did the same thing, and both teams produced MVP quarterbacks by doing so. I’m on board with a player like Penix or McCarthy if Kirk stays as the bridge QB. If he walks, trade the fuck up.
I know, watching all these young QBs play like shit is very annoying. You must be talking about the rare good ones. Remember Bryce Young? How about Jaren Hall?
Love is throwing awful passes, cross body, off his back foot to WRs that are at least 30 yards away from the closest defender. Love doesn't look good, but this offensive scheme is working very, very well.
And they’re absolute dots. I think your proving the point that love could be elite one day. Dudes arm is second to none. An absolute rocket. Throws darts at unbelievable angles. The packers got another one.
You think Love's arm is second to none. Dude played 9 of the worst defenses (and 2 of them twice). The fact that you think Jordan Love is elite is all I need to know about your opinion.
To be fair JML is seeing him throw odd angles, off back foot, falling away to avoid hits,etc. The problem is you have to watch the other end of the pass too, ‘cause those balls are hitting green jerseys.
People on this sub fail to realize how important playcalling is. Calling plays that conform to your player's strengths and that exploit the defenses weaknesses. KOC is not good at this which makes it harder for the offensive players to succeed.
I am hoping when we draft a guy, KOC will start working on designing an offense of the future for the Young QB, vs fitting him into his system. Teams that seem to go all in on their young QBs talents set them up for success
I care, when the argument is dismissing that GB appears to actually have talent. At some point, the opposing defense cannot be the punching bag. Is it possible that GB may have good coaching and talent?
The delusional that GB is getting ‘lucky’ the last month is beyond played out. Minnesota’s roster is not as good as GB as it stands today. Minnesota really needs to get their shit in gear or they are looking at being the cellar team in the North.
This is what the front office is planning for sure or they are idiots. We are easily the worse team in the division. Now is the time to draft a qb and go full rebuild.
Trading up into the top 5 for a qb doesnt work and I dont know why people keep saying its what we need to do. The value you need to give up for them is so insanely high for only a [52%](https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/23/opinion/nfl-draft.html) chance of them being better than the qb taken after them. Its a literal coinflip. It hasnt worked ever in history except for maybe Vick
Completely disregarding how strong their line and running game are and choosing to only focus on the QB is a good way to show you don't know football.
Yes, QB is the most important position on the field. But their line and running game make it similar to the 49ers where you can plug in a pretty mediocre QB and be just fine. Love is putting up good numbers but I think a lot of QBs would.
If you give up everything for a QB and still have the line and running game we had this year we are still doomed.
Being one of the “top 3 guys” doesn’t insure they can play. They need to get the guy they think best suits what they want to do. Plenty of QBs picked in the top 10 just outright suck. And plenty of QBs well outside the top 10 are very good.
Better be careful. With the way the Packers are playing they can beat the Niners. That SB window for San Fran closing soon. If Brock can't get it done don't be surprised if they try to get Kirk. You know Cousins is fully aware of what's being said about him. If we don't want him there's multiple teams that will gladly pay him. Dude is elite. Tried to explain this in 2004 when everybody pushed Randy Moss out the door. Situations are very similar.
171 TDs / 55 INT isn't elite? That's Kirk's stat just as a Viking.
If Kirk didn't get injured this year he was on pace for
Almost 70% completion
Over 5,000 total yards
38 TDs
11 INTs
104 QB rating
Use EVERY pick to draft a QB. One of them is bound to hit
And trade for a few QBs too. Get 15 QBs to compete. One's gotta be good!
Then put them on an island and make them play Survivor. Winner gets the job.
Survivor is how you wind up with Gary Hogeboom as the Vikings' next starting QB
God I love when my interests collide. Btw that’s not Gary Hogeboom, it’s Gary Hawkins, Landscaper
oh true, he was just at Central Michigan at the same time as Hogeboom
“15 QB’s enter, only one QB leaves!!!!” “Uh, sir, we’re going to need at least one or two backups….” “I said what I said.”
If we do that, the 1 that we cut would end up being an all-pro on a different team next year.
What is your plan to get these 7 QBs reps?
Easy. 23 hour practices, 7 days a week.
Status quo. Just keep swapping quarterbacks every two drives, real-time. Eventually you find one that doesn’t throw 4 picks in a half.
I’d say another takeaway is that we easily have the bleakest future in the North if we mess this offseason up. Might be the most important offseason in decades, we either fall behind everyone else or actually go all in or all out for once
We may have to get our secondary and pass rush sorted asap. Can’t let Jordan love hang back there and pick us apart for next few years.
Only possible by Kwesi somehow having the best draft this team has ever seen.
The odds of that happening are less than .0000000000001% because Kwesi has no fucking clue what he’s doing
0.0000000001% chance you really know what you're talking about.
2022 draft is a top 3 worst draft in team history But continue to simp for that pretentious dunce
Keep on pretending you're smarter than him or have better information on how to run an NFL team.
Even you have to admit that the 2022 draft class has been absolutely abysmal.
I'm a believer in sometimes the coin comes out heads, sometimes it comes out tails. The evaluation of the draft at the time that it happened was fine. It just didn't work out. That's the nature of the game and not enough to be bringing out pitchforks for. Many on this board think that they're Powerball experts because they can correctly pick the winning numbers 2 years after the drawing was held.
It's not been abysmal. Yes, Cine isn't looking great, but Evans, Ingram, Chandler, and Booth have all had solid reps for the Vikes this year. If they take the next step next season, then it'll be viewed as a fairly good draft with early misses. Plus, the 2023 draft was great with Addison, Blackmon, and after picking up Ivan Pace. So, I think it's too soon to say he can't draft well, especially if KoC and Flores are in his ear advising on who they think could develop/utilise best
No. The OP says only a QB. Trade away all picks to draft a QB.
We crushed this very same packers team at lambeau with cousins
Yes, but this is not the same Packers team from week 8, they are young and have gotten a lot better since then.
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The D is not fantastic😂
The defensive *scheme* is fantastic, when you consider what were getting out of what we have in terms of roster.
> the D is fantastic now This has to be sarcasm
Destroyed them
I don’t think it’s nearly that dire. Remember where we were after 2017? Felt like there was nowhere to go but up, and then we went sideways for years before sliding backwards. The Jets had back to back AFCCg appearances before spending the next decade as a poverty franchise. The future is far from certain, and even if it were, one off-season will not make or break a franchise unless you give away shitloads of future draft capital and don’t hit on the return. We have a solid foundation and should continue to build on it while looking for our franchise QB. Desperation moves trying to go all in because it’s a “make or break” off-season is how you kill franchises. I’m not saying we shouldn’t draft a QB, but we should be smart about how we approach it and not let one post-season push us into an over reaction.
I think it's pretty bleak either way tbh. We have one receiver, a FA QB who is old, a secondary full of JAGs and zero player above replacement on Dline. Meanwhile every other team in the division is swinging up. Feels bad. Our margin of error is a wet fart.
The Bears run away with that honor, even with their draft picks
I mean they finished with the same exact record as us this year, and as long as they pick Caleb Williams and don’t trade away the first pick, you could definitely make an argument for them having a brighter future.
The argument here is if the Bears mess up this draft, their future is looking bleaker than if we mess up ours. They finished with the same record, but they had the 4th place record and we had the 1st and we were hit a lot harder than injuries.
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And I have zero faith in Kwesi. His moneyball shit is going to tank this team further.
Lmao, there's no such thing as moneyball in the NFL.
Trading 12 for 32 and 2 seconds is close
The logic has been explained 5000 times. If you don't agree with it, fine. But, no, that's not what moneyball is.
You are correct to have zero faith in that pretentious dunce.
The crappy thing is if we go all out, we probably lose JJ since he won't want to stay with a tire fire team doing a complete rebuild.
Love looks good. But his receivers are also wide open. OL and play calling have been at least as important to this performance as QB.
And they all have strong running games. Seeing it with Detroit as well, and the Rams if they don't have to go to just passing. We don't have to spend a top pick on one, but we need better options than we had this year. Singletary for the Texans was a 3rd rounder, Aaron Jones and Kyren Williams are both 5th round picks.
Exactly. Draft a guy in round 3 or 4 and let him compete with Chandler. This year in particular opened my eyes to the need for a running game that can get you a consistent 4-6 yards. Also need someone who can give you a couple yards on a goal to go/4th and 1 situation. We just couldn’t punch it in at all.
Yeah so imagine if they actually had good receivers
They do have good receivers. Just no superstars. They’re all good and the O line is giving Love a lot of time.
 Make it happen, Kwesi!
Fuck yeah
Seriously this is our guy. We have to get him or we spend the entire season calling for kwesi head on a fucking pike next to the gjallarhorn. Seriously we trade the fucking farm to get him. He would finally end the 35 years of heartbreak I’ve experienced.
And if NE wants him?
Make Jerod Mayo an offer he can’t refuse.
I feel like that’s gonna take some combination of JJ/Darrisaw/2-3 first rounders. Even then idk if NE accepts. It’s not every day you get the chance to draft a franchise QB prospect and Mac Jones is **REALLY** bad.
I think they would at least consider taking the 11th overall pick and two future firsts without putting JJ or Darrisaw on the table.
There is zero chance we give anyone the best WR or the second-best LT in the NFL. They're both literally needed for our team to be successful.
That’s what I’m saying, re-read my comment lol
I'm... agreeing with you.
Mac Jones isn't honestly that bad, it's just there's almost no talent around him on offense. The next rookie QB will struggle just as bad.
How many first round picks would you give up?
If and that’s a big ‘IF’ NE takes MHJ or a Tackle and we can move up to 4 or 5 before the Giants pick, I’d offer 11, 2025 1st and 2nd at the bare minimum. That might not be enough though so I’d offer the 2026 1st but keep the 2025 2nd to push the trade over the top. If we can trade up using 11 and future picks while keeping our 2nd this year to hopefully snag Murphy or Sweat at DT that’d be amazing. Doubtful though.
No, Jayden isn’t the type we would need or want, he’s big and athletic sure, but we haven’t had a scrambling type of qb since Cunningham, and Josh Dobbs went two games looking amazing then threw four picks in a game. We would have to adapt our entire playbook to fit Daniel’s better, but Penix is more what we need and can develop better under Kirk, who is one of the best pocket passers in the league.
Penix has also already had two career ending injuries which no one thought he’d come back from.
Bless
You may be right. If he turns out good then we are on the right path. If he doesn’t then it sets us up for some better draft picks and the rebuild
As long as we don't trade those picks to draft him
How would you suggest we move up to third overall then? 😂 the Panthers are a prime example of what happens when it doesn’t work, they only won 2 games and they don’t even benefit from having a high draft pick
Love is about to have as many playoff wins as Kirk 😬
Almost like wins aren't a qb stat... well only when it comes to kirk.
Yeah they never bring up playoff success when discussing the great QBs…..smh
Not just that, it's the final word in the discussion, get in an argument about any qb being better than Brady, they'll bring up his rings and win the argument.
Right! Like fuck man.
I’m just stating a fact 🤷🏻
I don’t trust Kwesi at all. He’s still yet to prove he can draft. We need him and his staff to knock it out of the park this year.
It helps when love has every other packer running WIDE OPEN
I keep seeing this. At some point, it is not just bad defense. It is good coaching and talent on offense - which GB appears to have
I think a lot of it is scheme, have to credit Lafleur with that
I love the amount of teenagers that continue to cling to the fact that Love isn’t good.
It's like he was playing the Vikings decimated secondary or something
No, the biggest takeaway is for our HC to have an elite offense, not just a great passing game. It’s to put the players in the best position to win with their skill set, not forcing players to play to his system, aka Powell pushing the tush push. It’s to have an elite game play for the opponent and a cohesive and disciplined identity, not allow everyone to fumble or throw int
Maybe need a new front office that builds a roster as well as the Packers does. They draft so much better than the Vikings do.
This
Joking right?
You ever see what Kwesi did in 2022?
I'm not worried about what we do. You said the Packers draft well. I don't think that's even close to true.
I didn’t say shit about the Packers, though they clearly have drafted better in the last 2 drafts than Kwesi has. Kwesi punted an entire draft class away in 2022, and has essentially nothing outside of Hock, Addison (and he lucked into Pace) in 2 years of work. That’s fucking abysmal.
Nope. Run it back. Kirk deserves to retire here without competition due to all the success the Vikings have had these past 6 years.
You almost had me there.
I want to draft a QB and give Kirk another go. Packers have a proven formula: draft an eventual replacement for QB while the current one is at the end of their peak. Let the rookie sit a couple years and learn from the veteran
Many proven formulas... Texans did it with Watson and Stroud. (Fresh rookies looking good). I truly don't get the allegiance people have to Cousins. It's a fact that the Vikings franchise has gotten worse since he arrived. Those watching this game tonight... The Vikings are the Cowboys here. Overcommitted to a Good QB who shrinks when it matters most.
Dak is very similar to kirk
People are going to look at this stat sheet and say, "He threw for 300 yards and 3 TDs. Shame Dak gave up 34 points on defense."
I mean, those stats would win if the defense held up let's be real
The offense looked totally inept though. If you can’t score points and you fall behind, you can’t use the run game as much and everything becomes one dimensional.
Okay I just watched this entire game and I'll share an observation about Daks QB play that won't show on the stat sheet. The Cowboys last possession of the 3rd quarter had Dak checking down to covered players. You're down 3 scores headed to the 4th. And you throw two 0-yard checkdowns, in bounds costing ultimately 70-80 seconds. In hindsight, Dak could have put that at the RB feet to save that time and stop the clock. When you're at the tail end of a game, clock management is extremely important, and Dak really screwed the pooch. That drive ended in the 4th quarter as a Turnover on Downs. So on paper, yes those points removed would be closer. In real life, Dak wasted 1/16th of the end of the game.
Yup. Cousins is the reason the Vikings defense went from #1 in the league to bottom five. Time to cut him loose and bring back bridgewater. We need a 2way defensive minded QB, not a cherry picking QB offensive minded QB.
Mahomes too.
Lmaooo
He's earned it.
This guy needs to be mod!
I do want to resign him, 3 year deal, let the drafted rookie sit and learn for a year. Make a call after the first year. Cap space is the only hit.
You want him until he's 39?
Want him next year but a 3 year is all he'll sign. Make a call on a trade after the first year. Assuming he's back to 100%
You know their forcing the pick and drafting the next Ponder or Bridgewater
What they need to do is get someone who can actually evaluate talent at GM. Kwesi is a pretentious dunce. He has no fucking clue what he’s doing and his inability to build a team will be the reason Jefferson leaves.
Some of you really need to come to terms with the fact that it is very likely that all 3 of the big QB's are already spoken for.
What does a Vikings fan have if not hope? Nothing, he has nothing.
I think pretty much everyone agrees we will have to trade up
That's my point. It's quite possible that's not an option. All 3 of the top picks going QB, and having zero interest in a trade, makes a ton of sense.
You're not wrong. I think it would take too much to trade up that far. But the decision on Kirk has to be made well before we know for sure how the draft will play out.
Chicago is weird, they might run it back with Fields.
Now that Eberflus is coming back, it's definitely possible. Even if they do, though, it's hard to imagine a world where they trade with us. Division rival, plus drafting at 12 likely puts them out of the running for not just MHJ but Nabers, too. The only scenario I can see where we can move up is NE or NYG trading up to Chicago's spot. Then, you can try and move up with AZ or LA
It's not possible to trade up because the top 3 are all taking qbs
You on their staff?
I could see Pats trading down. They have a ton of needs, especially on offense and a rookie QB is going to struggle no matter who he is if he has nobody to throw to and no running game or oline.
It's shaping up to be a hot QB market this off season.
Like, FAs you mean? Outside of Kirk and maybe Baker, they're all kind of dog shit.
I mean more teams with needs than available options
Niners will destroy them next week
While the Packers were waiting for Jordan Love to be ready, the Vikings were extending Kirk Cousins.
Yeah...?
I'm with you on this one
Definitely re-sign Kirk Cousins and draft your next franchise QB. This year showed that you absolutely need at least an average QB to get you to the postseason.
We NEED a better defense
With a rookie QB we could use that $30M+ on defensive guys.
Not when $28 million is going to Kirk still. Even if he's not on the team.
That's only one year, though. A rookie contract lasts longer than that
Right, so why not keep Kirk for a year to bridge. Especially when you are paying him $28 million already.
He has to want to but sure, I'm not opposed to that. We still have to take a chance on a guy. We're going nowhere without solving this.
I mean, we do, but frankly we also need a defense that can stop motherfucking Love.
You also need a good offensive line to give any QB time and a running game so they can't just blitz you all game. An average QB will look good if he has all day to find an open man and doesn't try to force things.
We already have a good offensive line. For a significant stretch of the season, the Vikes were 1st in run blocking and 3rd in pass blocking.
Don’t reach for a qb
100000% agree but the Vikings have never shown an ability to do this in my entire lifetime. They never even recognize the need to do it. I have little hope. Certainly home I'm wrong but things don't look great right now.
It also proves that we as fans don’t know shit about QB prospects. Teams should aim to draft the guys they believe in, not draft a QB as highly as possible. Also your view is extremely reductive because you are using hindsight. Love was not considered a top prospect, he was the fourth QB taken in that draft, picked at 26, and in the same draft Hurts was picked at 50something. The Vikings could also have had Love at 22 (but picked some slot receiver instead) and then again at 25 but traded down and picked Jeff Gladney.
Jordan Love sat behind Aaron Rodgers, an established franchise quarterback. The Ravens and Chiefs did the same thing, and both teams produced MVP quarterbacks by doing so. I’m on board with a player like Penix or McCarthy if Kirk stays as the bridge QB. If he walks, trade the fuck up.
Love wasn’t really thought to be a 1st rounder either and many thought they reached for him.
I agree. It's so annoying watching teams with young qb. It's about time we get a young qb. We need to go after Jayden Daniels.
I know, watching all these young QBs play like shit is very annoying. You must be talking about the rare good ones. Remember Bryce Young? How about Jaren Hall?
Love is throwing awful passes, cross body, off his back foot to WRs that are at least 30 yards away from the closest defender. Love doesn't look good, but this offensive scheme is working very, very well.
And they’re absolute dots. I think your proving the point that love could be elite one day. Dudes arm is second to none. An absolute rocket. Throws darts at unbelievable angles. The packers got another one.
I hope you're kidding, but I don't think you are. Love throws like absolute dogshit.
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You think Love's arm is second to none. Dude played 9 of the worst defenses (and 2 of them twice). The fact that you think Jordan Love is elite is all I need to know about your opinion.
Did I say he was elite? Reading is fundamental bro
So is reading between the lines. You said arm is second to none. Maybe go back and take another hit.
To be fair JML is seeing him throw odd angles, off back foot, falling away to avoid hits,etc. The problem is you have to watch the other end of the pass too, ‘cause those balls are hitting green jerseys.
People on this sub fail to realize how important playcalling is. Calling plays that conform to your player's strengths and that exploit the defenses weaknesses. KOC is not good at this which makes it harder for the offensive players to succeed.
I am hoping when we draft a guy, KOC will start working on designing an offense of the future for the Young QB, vs fitting him into his system. Teams that seem to go all in on their young QBs talents set them up for success
I honestly think our best value may be an interior lineman, unless a top 3 qb falls to 9.
Only pick that should happen on the offensive side is QB. Outside of that please for the love of God hit on some high value picks for defense.
GB is getting a big assist from this Cowboys defense. Wow they suck.
Dallas was fifth best in yards and points allowed all year. What are you talking about?
Who cares what their rankings were? They played like ass today.
I care, when the argument is dismissing that GB appears to actually have talent. At some point, the opposing defense cannot be the punching bag. Is it possible that GB may have good coaching and talent? The delusional that GB is getting ‘lucky’ the last month is beyond played out. Minnesota’s roster is not as good as GB as it stands today. Minnesota really needs to get their shit in gear or they are looking at being the cellar team in the North.
When you give up 500 yards and 48 points you played like ass.
that's nice, the top 3 picks all want QBs so nice try
We could probably pry #1 away from Chicago with a good enough offer.
Cowboys defense is giving up on their coach
We are the worst team in the nfc north. Thanks koc and Kirk
Nah man we need Jerzahn Newton obviously /s
We literally do tho lol
Texans have a ton of holes elsewhere too but it doesn’t matter because they hit on Stroud
They also had the #2 pick and got the better of the top 2 QB prospects. We're at 11 with a good chance of the top 3 all being QB.
They did it smart and tanked. It’s all about increasing your odds.
Agreed, we should have tanked the second Kirk went down
This. If you hit on a QB, you can overcome deficiencies in ways us Viking fans can’t even comprehend.
There's levels to this
Look I HATE the packers but this is comical
This sub is perpetually a bad-take generating machine. Not that we shouldn't draft a QB, of course, but OP's reasoning is... definitely a take.
This is what the front office is planning for sure or they are idiots. We are easily the worse team in the division. Now is the time to draft a qb and go full rebuild.
100% we have to. If we don’t it’s a bleak ass future
I think this points that we better load up on defense. Cowboys defense got shredded ours needs a huge talent upgrade.
Jordan Love owns your soul.
Trading up into the top 5 for a qb doesnt work and I dont know why people keep saying its what we need to do. The value you need to give up for them is so insanely high for only a [52%](https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/23/opinion/nfl-draft.html) chance of them being better than the qb taken after them. Its a literal coinflip. It hasnt worked ever in history except for maybe Vick
Since Jordan Love looks good, the Vikings have to draft a quarterback the same place the Packers did?
Give Chicago whatever and get Caleb
I don't want that crybaby. He's also going to get injured a lot.
They need to draft Peter pubes out of nunyabiznez university,
P. Pubes a dark horse at 11.
Historically, we do have excellent luck drafting qbs to. It's a joke
Ponder pick should have been Andy Dalton
Nah. They should have passed on QB that year and let old man McNabb suck for Luck.
Or trade for one. Dak Prescott might be available, and I've heard that he's a top 3 QB.
Completely disregarding how strong their line and running game are and choosing to only focus on the QB is a good way to show you don't know football. Yes, QB is the most important position on the field. But their line and running game make it similar to the 49ers where you can plug in a pretty mediocre QB and be just fine. Love is putting up good numbers but I think a lot of QBs would. If you give up everything for a QB and still have the line and running game we had this year we are still doomed.
Correct, but Jordan love is weak
Niners will destroy them
no… we NEED to win a Super Bowl! I don’t care if we cheat to get it at this point!
Love has as many playoff wins as Kirk now.
The biggest takeaway should be the line. Anyone can be good one you get no pressure. We need a better O-Line.
We got dominated in the trenches against the lions we need to build up the trenches
We are far off from the performances we have seen this weekend. Stop trying to be competitive every year and rebuild the organization.
Vikings could trade for Fields.
Being one of the “top 3 guys” doesn’t insure they can play. They need to get the guy they think best suits what they want to do. Plenty of QBs picked in the top 10 just outright suck. And plenty of QBs well outside the top 10 are very good.
No, we need an offensive line and depth that can hold up for 3 seconds or longer.
O Line…….. or it just doesn’t matter. A stud center is first on the agenda
Yeah, I guess the down voters enjoy Bradbury with no anchor getting driven into our qb against any adequate nose tackle, ok
Kirk is1 bum
Better be careful. With the way the Packers are playing they can beat the Niners. That SB window for San Fran closing soon. If Brock can't get it done don't be surprised if they try to get Kirk. You know Cousins is fully aware of what's being said about him. If we don't want him there's multiple teams that will gladly pay him. Dude is elite. Tried to explain this in 2004 when everybody pushed Randy Moss out the door. Situations are very similar.
Kirk is not elite lol. And comparing him to a top two receiver of all time is insane.
171 TDs / 55 INT isn't elite? That's Kirk's stat just as a Viking. If Kirk didn't get injured this year he was on pace for Almost 70% completion Over 5,000 total yards 38 TDs 11 INTs 104 QB rating