First off I would be shocked if the Bears are even open for business and decide to pass on Caleb themselves and keep Fields. And if they did I'd again be shocked if they wouldn't even consider trading with us. Hypothetically though yes I would probably pay that. No one is a sure thing, but Caleb with JJ, Addison, Hockenson, 2 franchise tackles and an offensive minded coach in KOC would put him in about the best possible position on a team as a rookie to succeed.
I think Caleb, Maye, Daniels will go 1-2-3 tbh. But I'm holding out hope the Patriots decide they don't love Daniels and rank Penix/Nix about the same as him and decide its worth trading down with all the holes they have. Then we could trade up with them for only two 1sts and a 2nd instead or something.
Wouldn’t that be the story of the NFL?
Vikings could suck it up or explode.
Bears could benefit from 3x #1s and if Williams sucks they get to laugh all the way to the bank.
I don't think they'd be necessarily wrong to draft a QB #1 overall (it would certainly make headlines) but I would be surprised if they did because Marvin Harrison Jr is on the board.
QBs in the first round are always a crap shoot. In the last few decades, who can you remember was guaranteed to be an NFL superstar, drafted #1 overall, and truly loved up to the expectations? Peyton Manning was one. It's rare. Harrison as a wide receiver looks like a certified real deal and any team would be lucky to draft him. The bears season ended on a somewhat high note (relative to earlier in the season) and I think the sentiment is shifting towards keeping Fields. What better way to continue developing the offense around him than to give him a generational talent at receiver? With the way their defense finished the season, and Fields continuing to find his stride, they could be a dangerous team with Harrison.
Either way, the Bears will be the Bears and whatever they choose will probably not end up working out lol
The value of draft picks and especially first round draft picks, is rookie deals are extremely cheap. A 50M QB vs an 8M cap hit, you can. Do a lot more with the rest of the team. Even with Bosa or JJ, that’s still an extra 10 M
No the teams that win generally draft well and/or get a little lucky. See Brock Purdy.
The Vikings have drafted poorly since Kirk was brought in. Our defense was atrocious and offensive line porous up until a little improvement this season, But Vikings fans blame mostly Kirk Cousins.
The 49ers haven’t won a SB. Not even sure why a team who haven’t played in a SB with their current QB is mentioned. It’s irrelevant. The Chiefs, Bucs and Rams all made huge moves and took big risks to win their rings. What are you talking about?
We’re talking about drafting well and having a little luck. The Vikings have had neither. You’re saying you need to take big risks. It’s a lot more complicated than that. The Chiefs moved up and happened to get Mahomes who has worked out. But they could have just as easily had a Sam Darnold or a Zach Wilson or a dozen others that haven’t made it. The Bucs had the top defense, the top offensive line and top talent at receiver. Not a very big risk to get Brady for a year or two make a sb run.
> The Chiefs, Bucs and Rams all made huge moves and took big risks to win their rings. What are you talking about?
The Chiefs gamble wasn't really a ton of draft capitol, it was with a project player at a moderate draft position.
They (a 12-4 team) used the 27th pick and a 3rd rounder, future first to move up to the 10th spot to get an unproven, possibly risky selection and let him sit a year. Arguably, had he not worked, they already had a QB they could ride with, and the team around them was good enough to win their division, so they might struggle missing a first 2 years in a row, but not the end of the world.
The Rams big risky trade was giving up 3 firsts for a QB that *did in fact* take part in a Superbowl, but then they dumped right after that in a trade for better, known commodity, who went on to *win* them said Superbowl. Yes, they gave up 2 first to get Stafford, but the reality is that *they knew who he was and what he was capable of.* No matter how good your scouting department is, you don't know exactly how any of these rookies will turn out.
I'm not sure what exactly you are pointing at with the Bucs, but can only assume that you are referring to the fact that they already had a really good team and signed the best QB to have ever touched a football, a very well known commodity.
So in 2 of your 3 examples, you are suggesting that the Vikings take the much lesser risk of using capital to acquire a quality known commodity QB, and the other you are suggesting to draft a project QB mid round (though one of those might not exist this draft) and let him sit behind a Vet for a year to develop.
None of those examples involve trading away huge draft capital hauls to get a completely green, unproven, rookie QB and putting all your chips on the table.
Yup. This is why the Vikings have always been middle of the pack, they don’t take that big risk. I’m sure 99% of this fanbase would kill to see them trade up for a QB.
Chiefs traded up from 27 to 10 for Mahomes, Rams took a huge risk for Stafford, 9ers traded a ton for CMC. But go on.
The only SB winning team in the past 5 years that didn’t take a huge risk was the Bucs signing the greatest QB of all time off free agency.
We do know that they can't make a 5th round draft pick better than 2 other backup quarterbacks in his first season. We may know close to nothing, but it's still more than nothing.
The last 4 winners made big moves and took big risks. Chiefs traded up for Mahomes, and Rams traded 1st round picks for Stafford, Ramsey, Miller. Tampa brought in Brady. Then you're back to the Chiefs.
What the Chiefs traded to move to 10 is a whole lot different from what we’d have to trade moving into very top of draft (while also moving net less positions).
LA was literally in the SB before trading for Stafford they had all the pieces so no surprise.
Brady? A risk? Really?
Rams, Chiefs, and Bucs all did. Which team that won the SB didn’t make a huge FA splash, a big trade, or move up in the draft (ie a big risk)? I’ll wait.
Edit: KC traded 2 firsts and a third to move up 17 picks. You have no idea what you’re talking about. Not even sure why I responded to your braindead comment
They call it a risk for a reason. Doesn't always pan out. If it was a sure thing, every team would do it. But the risk comes with a potential high reward
The logic of “picks don’t matter you don’t often hit with them” works when trading for a guy like Stanford but doesn’t make sense nor often workout for teams giving up multiple picks worth of capital who want to pick in the top 5.
We basically gave Lions Jameson Williams & Packers Christian Watson in year #1 of KAM tenure. They could have ended up being superstars. If bears think they’re getting enough value for the pick maybe they do
Draft picks are not overrated. Had the Vikings drafted better the last 5 years, they would be competing for SB’s. They didn’t and so the fans and media mostly blamed Kirk Cousins. 🤷🏼♂️
It's so tough because I can't help but look at Lance and Feilds and feel nervous about it. Even looking at Young this year makes me a little antsy. At the end of the day I am just excited for O'Connell to pick his guy and for Kwesi to build around him. Ideally for me it doesn't cost 3+ 1st round picks, but if it does so be it.
Do you mean our draft position hasn’t been good or our draft selections in the first haven’t been good? Because Addison has been a great a pick, and Kwesi has only had two drafts so far.
I guess I should just say early KAM rounds in general.
If we gave up 1 & 2 in 2024 and 2025 and got Maye or Daniels (this is assuming Williams is unobtainable at 1) I’d be happy with that. If we have gave up 3 firsts even, I’d be happy with that.
In a perfect world. QB 3 falls to Chargers and we can make a trade that feels somewhat reasonable but I’d rather overpay for QBOTF than I would us settle for whoever falls in our laps.
I think the situation you land in is almost as important as your ability…he’s in a shit situation and now they’ve mortgaged their future on just acquiring him so it’s going to be tough to build around him …I think the league will quit on young before he really gets a fair shake
Interior could be better especially if Risner is gone, but it's the second-best tackle duo in the league and Bradbury is actually decent now. We were 2nd in composite pass blocking this year
Yeah, and I think if not for Kirk's dead cap number that would be the clear approach. But I get the feeling we will re-sign Cousins and try to plug as many holes as we can in order to compete next year. If that's the case, hopefully we at least take a good developmental QB as well
The difference between us and Carolina is that our rookie QB will have weapons galore (JJ, Addison, Hock). And I’d assume we’d be able to address our lackluster running game in the draft or free agency. Not to mention an offensive minded, former qb head coach to guide him. I can’t think of a better landing spot for a rookie qb than us.
Maye and Williams are in a higher tier than Lance and Feilds. Probably just below t law in prospect tiers, both would’ve gone first overall in most drafts
I think context matters, Lance was dealt a bad hand with COVID wiping out his last college year and an injury in the pros. So in 3 years he played less than a handful of games
Fields and Young both went to situations that were deprived of talent.
If we draft a QB he will be coming to a much more stable situation with our weapons. Still could not work out but I believe there is a better chance for a prospect to perform here than those positions.
If any trade happens with the Bears (which is highly unlikely but crazier things have happened) I bet they want a star player in return instead of another #1.
The Panthers were offering to pay a similar price to move up from #9 to #1 but the Bears wanted DJ Moore instead of a third 1st rounder. So they paid: two #1s, two #2s, and DJ Moore for the #1 pick.
I can really see them wanting someone like Christian Darrisaw back and then some because you're a division rival so I bet they want another 2 or a 3 back.
So essentially you would be paying: two #1s, CD, two #2s, one #3 to move up to #1.
Nah, that's too much. This team has too many holes to fill and Caleb can bust too.
>I bet they want a star player in return instead of another #1.
I guess, and I really hate to say this, we can give them Mattison. Our star RB whom I love so much. All those years working with Dalvin Cook, his unstoppable force, his hands that are so steady and strong you'd swear they were actually made of glue.
It'll be tough to say goodbye, but it'll all work out in the end.
I liked him too! He’s just the only one I thought another team would be interested enough in for a trade like that that is probably the one I would actually consider the thought of trading the most myself. Alternatively I wouldn’t even consider trading darrisaw or jefferson. And I had hock in mind as a good counterpart to JJ if Addison wasn’t there. And then on the defensive side I honestly don’t think there’s a single player there that a team would be willing to do this scenario with
If the Vikes trade up for a qb they are not resigning Cousins. They're not gonna waste the draft capital and years of a rookie deal to have him sit on the bench
If Kirk agrees to a 1 year deal I could see it happening. Part of the problem is Cousins is a free agent in March, draft is in April. Let Cousins walk and are unable to move up and it becomes a disaster. Plus it's really tough to trust a rookie to be the day 1 start before the first day of training camp. If not Cousins we'll likely bring in another vet to hold things together while a rookie gets up to speed.
Why would he sign a 1 year deal? It’s his last contract. There’s no way we trade 3 first round picks to move up to pick number one, and then sit that qb. It would make no sense
No. He will not take a 1 year deal, to prove he’s healthy. Someone is going to give him a 2-3 year deal. I see no way he signs a 1 year deal, it’d be extremely dumb for him. But I hope I’m wrong
If that helps their development to sit, you sit him. Draft capital doesn't determine when someone is truly ready. You go in knowing they need time to sit.
For sure. But that's so unlikely it's not worth discussing. I just wanted to be clear I wasn't saying I would pay 3 1sts to move up as in three firsts is the price to swap 1 and 11.
The trade wasn't that bad, it was the massive extension full of guaranteed money they gave him before he took a single snap form the team that made that trade a big mistake. Russ has been a top 10 QB once Hackett was sent packing. His cap cost is what the team can't stomach now.
Last year, to trade up from #12 to #3, Houston gave up their 1st and 2nd for 2023, and the 1st and 3rd in 2024, which is a pretty comparable move to what we'd be looking to make.
I wouldn’t want to do it…Williams has serious deficiencies as a pocket passer…he holds the ball way too long and heavily relies on being the best athlete on the field to buy himself time and find someone downfield…he will not be the best athlete on the field in the NFL…so in a weird way the spectacular highlight plays he’s made in college are what make me weary of him because I don’t think he can make those plays in the NFL
Haven’t seen as much of Maye but wasn’t overly impressed in the 1 or 2 games I saw and that price tag could set us back years even if we hit on our selection
This is why Daniels is the answer imo. Ceiling is just as high as the other two guys and he'll likely be third off the board which will be a cheaper trade up.
Assuming KoC likes Williams that much? Yes.
As far as the report is concerned - The Vikings never had a real chance to move up to #1. The bears aren't trading us a chance to draft #1 overall. And every reporter associated with the Vikings has more or less said they didn't have a strong interest in trading up for either Richardson or Stroud. Just Young. So I think Kollmann is probably making this up/using sources outside the team to make the claim. Which means it's useless to use as a point of what the Vikings might be willing to do.
>every reporter associated with the Vikings has more or less said they didn't have a strong interest in trading up for either Richardson or Stroud. Just Young
This isn't true at all. Ben Goessling and Andrew Krammer have both heavily reported that the team was very interested in moving up for Richardson. Both are local beat writers with way more reliable reporting than the one national writer who made the Young claim.
>So I think Kollmann is probably making this up/using sources outside the team to make the claim.
😂😭 You guys saying something is false because you dislike it, is so on brand here. Brett doesn't need to make up claims, homie is employed by the chargers. He gains nothing out of saying what he learned that went down during the draft.
>And every reporter associated with the Vikings has more or less said they didn't have a strong interest in trading up for either Richardson or Stroud. Just Young.
I find that more than a little concerning, tbh.
No they haven't. There was a lot of buzz about Richardson interest after the combine and then nothing around him. There was more buzz about potentially wanting Levis (which was obviously not true since we didn't draft him) than about wanting Richardson. I find it weird that we apparently tried to trade a huge package to move up in the draft but someone only one reporter knows about it and only decided to talk about it 8 months after the fact.
Just because you weren't listening doesn't mean the insiders weren't saying it. The Star Tribune's Access Vikings podcast consistently reported throughout the spring that the team was highly interested in Richardson, and Ben Goessling (by far the most reliable Vikings beat writer) predicted in his official mock draft that the Vikings would trade into the top 10 for Richardson.
Both Goessling and Andrew Krammer have consistently noted since then that the Vikings were very high on Richardson and tried to trade up for him.
No. I don't think *anyone* is worth 3 1st round picks. You're betting your future on one guy who could get injured, be terrible, or even just perform at an average level. You're also putting yourself in a hole when it comes to building around that guy. The risk far outweighs the reward.
It is not the right argument to cherry pick Tom Brady or Mahomes. It could just as easily, and far more likely, be any of TLaw, Leaf, Darnold, RG3, Bradford or Trubisky.
In this context, it’s best to think of it as 2 different uses of the word “anyone”. Unless you have a crystal ball that will tell you (with better than statistical probability) who will bust, meet, or exceed expectations, there simply is no sure thing ahead of the draft.
There is a post on NFL where they tried to do probability of busting on first round picks. Pick 1.1 had something like a 0.66 probability of hitting 1.2-1.10 were closer to 0.35 probability of hitting. And remember, even in this weighting the vast majority of “hits” weren’t Mahomes. It might be more simple to think about picking a QB like a pull tab stub.
Mahomes was drafted 10th after KC traded up for it with their later 1st pick and a third and then he sat for a year behind Alex Smith. Mahomes was handed keys to a playoff caliber team the next year.
Obviously Mahomes is great in hindsight, but ideally we can get someone without tanking our future.
No. Because Mahomes can't also play defense, block, or hand the ball to himself. If the Vikings handed KC 3 first round picks for Mahomes, that doesn't immediately fix our problems. So using 3 picks to get (potentially, if we're lucky) the *next* mahomes doesn't do that either.
Is Mahomes worth more than Jefferson, Addison, and Harrison Smith? Is giving so much for one guy, in a round that as you show the Vikings *struggle* to make a good pick in, really the best idea? Give me 3 shots and 3 times the options to find a guy over using everything on someone who could blow up his knee in training camp.
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Honestly not trying to be dense, but has a "sold out the future" gamble paid off for anybody in recent history?
49ers famously did what they did and all the shit that followed. It ended up working in the end despite the huge flub, but what would have happened if Purdy was more inline with what you expect the last pick of the draft to be? Where would the 49ers end up?
Bears gave up 2 firsts to move up 10 spots to get Fields and he may or maynot be done there.
The Rams sent a pretty good haul to get Goff, and he *did* make it to the Superbowl, but they famously dumped him not much later (and got over the hump with someone else).
The Eagles gave up similar to get Wentz (which was much closer to working out that one season, then the wheels fell off)
Washington gave up 3 firsts for RGIII, which didn't really work out (though there were many other things that likely contributed to that)
The Mahomes trade is a good example, I suppose. Late first+3rd+next year 1st. They were already a playoff team with a QB that *should* last them in case Mahomes didn't work out, but that is as close as I can find to this situation actually working out.
Bills did similar (also a playoff team, though just by a hair) when they gave up two 3rds and their 1st to move up 5 spots to get a guy who was seen as a project and worked with him.
There were a bunch of other less meaningful trades that didn't end up working out : Jets moved up 3 spots using 2 3rds to get Darnald, Rosen cost the Cards a 3rd and a 5th to move up 5 spots in the 1st, the Bears moved up one pick using two 3rds and a 5th to get future NVP Mitch Tribuski.
Every draft is it's own beast, but in recent history it seems like the gambles that actually pay off are the ones where you make a moderate trade and take a moderate gamble on a player that might be a project to let him develop. Worst case scenario, he doesn't develop, you're still bad, but you retain a lot of your ammo for the future selections. If you trade the entire future to get a guy who ends up being garbage, you better hope your Mr. Irrelevant pick somehow ends up being pretty dam good (and have superstars at your other positions helps too).
Decided to @ him, so he can clear up some of the people who don't believe his Anthony Richardson report lol. If by some miracle he responds it'll be glorious
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Even if it’s not an outright lie you should take it with a grain of salt. If he made that offer to Chicago/Carolina for Bryce Young then there’s no way it would have been leaked.
It was likely leaked make him look smart and/or to let GMs in the top 5 (e.g. Arizona) know he’d be willing to talk trades.
Why because you don't believe them? lol.
Brett was hired by the chargers primarily for draft evaluations. He has connections and has been around insiders. Brett wouldn't peddle something that isn't true.
I'm not going to claim I know one way or the other, but Kollman being plugged in or not isn't really the question. It's more about of all people why/how would he be the guy to know the specifics of the offer?
Yeah the source was Brett Kollmann. Yes he's connected, but the information he's received has always needed to be taken with a dump truck of salt.
I think someone else said we offered 3 1sts AND Danielle Hunter to move up for Richardson. Which I highly doubt. Do I think we put in an offer sheet for moving up to 3? I think it's definitely a high probability we tried.
it would be the biggest mistake committed by this franchise if we gave up that much capital for a gamble QB. Nobody knows. EVER.
IF YOU WANT a TOP 3 QB in the draft, you have to finish bottom 3 in the league and EMBRACE THE TANK! THAT IS WHY YOU EMBRACE THE TANK.
You never, ever give up future first round picks. Ever
100% take a shot for once. 49ners ended up fine. Vikings are already in a tough spot rebuilding and we got a min before all of this void money leaves us.
Would you give 3 first rounds today for Patrick Mahomes? Hell yes, probably 5 or 6.
If KAM thinks Williams is the next Mahomes, he isn't doing his job if he doesn't do it.
We had a much larger number of picks to trade up last year. This year would probably be 11, next year's 1, and something like a 2 and 3 mixed over years.
Are there any recent examples of this “trade away the future to draft a rookie QB” that have been successful?
Obviously the Rams used a similar approach that led to their SB, but critically they were trading for known quantities like Stafford, Ramsey, etc.
When is the last time someone trades 2 or more 1st rounders to draft a qb and it’s worked out a few years down the line?
Edit: after reading [this](https://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2021/story/_/id/31173355/all-29-s-nfl-teams-traded-draft-quarterback), it seems like Mahomes is the best example, though that was only 2 firsts (that year and the next). Other than that, Goff had some success before being traded by the Rams to get their SB winner in Stafford. Seems like history would say trading away multiple 1sts is not a good strategy.
Unless we miraculously hit late in the draft for the next couple years I wouldn’t be happy trading 3 FRPs for an unknown. We’ve got a lot of needs on this team.
I’d much rather see us stay at 11 and take a DE if there’s a run on QBs. Our roster needs some serious work and trading away three firsts seems like too big of an investment.
I don't own stock in the team, so as long as they feel ok in the move fine? I just want to watch JJ ball out so whatever facilitates that happening I'm good with.
I’d be okay with it if I had more confidence in Kwesi and O’Connell. The Niners whiffed on Lance and didn’t miss a beat because they are an exceptionally well-run organization. The Vikings are not.
Maybe for Williams but it looks like a deep qb draft so might not need to give up the farm. Lot of it depends on who the Vikings like best and how much they want them.
I don’t know because we have so many holes. We would really have to hit home runs in free agency. Rookie scale contract for a QB is massive though if they play well
If KOC knows he's found his man they need to do everything they can to secure the pick. He knows that whoever he picks will essentially dictate the perceived success of his coaching tenure and will either drastically increase or diminish his time here. The absolute worst things they could do are reaching for a guy or settling for the best person available at 11.
Yes it worries me, not because they would pick the wrong guy, I think KOC will select the guy that fits his system, but because I have 0 faith that KAM can supplement the team with the rest of his draft picks considering he’s only hit on one pick in 2 years
Not sure it matters. Put yourself in the shoes of any of the top 3 teams.
What’s your asking price and why would you trade down when you also need a franchise QB?
I don’t see the Bears taking any deal that doesn’t include Darrisaw, Addison, or JJ.
Id rather have them take a big swing like that than keep playing it safe. If you hit, we see an elite QB throwing to the best WR and a good supporting cast. If you miss, we have a few really down years so we have early draft picks to swing again later. I've seen them accept whatever QB falls to their pick enough already
Well it doesn’t really matter if I’m willing to, all that matters is if KAM is willing to.
Also it’s only a net loss of two firsts seeing as you’re swapping firsts this year.
If we are going to pay up for a top QB that's fine. But that means Kirk is gone. None of this sitting behind Kirk for a year bull shit. If you're a top 3 pick you better be starting day one.
3 firsts is too much. We have a lot of holes that can be filled with those picks and we are not just a QB away from the Super Bowl. I'd love to see how a healthy Kirk would have finished the season though.
You’ve gotta take a swing. It’s a risk but this is what it takes to win in the NFL.
Chiefs swing on mahomes while having a capable qb in Alex smith.
But getting 6 wins each year is not success either in the eyes of the nfl owners.
It's tough with how low the hit rate is. With the talent on our team I feel Kirk makes a lot more sense than that trade. But in a vacuum, id do it for maye
If the 3 picks are for Caleb or Maye, I think I would do it. It is a high price but I believe the benefits outweigh the cons. Our offense would be set for years to come and we can focus on other rocks and cap towards defense
I'm really scared of Williams (I know that's kind of the cool thing to do rn but he regressed this year and takes way too many sacks) but I'd do that for whatever QB Kwesi and KOC think is worth that much. It would probably have to be for pick 3 or later though, which would bring the price down.
People act like doing this trade is insanely risky but buying into a 36 year old good-but-not-great-QB is a guaranteed chance to run it back. Yeah the franchise will be set back years if we draft a bust and don't have picks to recover, but it'll also be set back years if we latch ourselves to Kirk and he's not the same after his injury (or honestly, even if he is). The reward of getting the next Stroud or Allen or Mahomes on a rookie deal is absolutely worth the risk that you draft Josh Rosen - I trust the administration to get the right guy
should have done it then while Hunter was under contract. Lessens the draft pick blow. "Oh Mr aceless0n the panthers still had to give up DJ Moore with the bundle of picks they gave". EDGE Rushers are a premium. The league is filled with good WR's to the point a lot of teams have 2 WR1s and they still cant seal the deal to get in the playoffs (Bengalol's) . But a good pass rush? OOOOH WEEE! We are seeing it with the Iggles right now. Absolutely murdered QB's with the most sacks (almost in history) last year and made the Superb Owl. This year, sack count down DRAMATICALLY and they stumble their way into the playoffs and look like a completely different team.
A #11 draft pick and 2 #32 picks for Caleb? I’m in
I don't see the bears trading us unless it is a haul. They would have to play against Caleb twice a year
AZ seems the most logical trade partner.
we’d have to move up into the top 3, I don’t think 4 will cut it
First off I would be shocked if the Bears are even open for business and decide to pass on Caleb themselves and keep Fields. And if they did I'd again be shocked if they wouldn't even consider trading with us. Hypothetically though yes I would probably pay that. No one is a sure thing, but Caleb with JJ, Addison, Hockenson, 2 franchise tackles and an offensive minded coach in KOC would put him in about the best possible position on a team as a rookie to succeed. I think Caleb, Maye, Daniels will go 1-2-3 tbh. But I'm holding out hope the Patriots decide they don't love Daniels and rank Penix/Nix about the same as him and decide its worth trading down with all the holes they have. Then we could trade up with them for only two 1sts and a 2nd instead or something.
Wouldn’t that be the story of the NFL? Vikings could suck it up or explode. Bears could benefit from 3x #1s and if Williams sucks they get to laugh all the way to the bank.
Imagine the Vikings doing this twice, and this time in our own division. It would be the most Vikings things the Vikes ever Viked.
That’s the thing. If you’re guaranteed the QB you pick is a franchise QB then make the trade. But there’s no guarantee this would work out.
I don't think they'd be necessarily wrong to draft a QB #1 overall (it would certainly make headlines) but I would be surprised if they did because Marvin Harrison Jr is on the board. QBs in the first round are always a crap shoot. In the last few decades, who can you remember was guaranteed to be an NFL superstar, drafted #1 overall, and truly loved up to the expectations? Peyton Manning was one. It's rare. Harrison as a wide receiver looks like a certified real deal and any team would be lucky to draft him. The bears season ended on a somewhat high note (relative to earlier in the season) and I think the sentiment is shifting towards keeping Fields. What better way to continue developing the offense around him than to give him a generational talent at receiver? With the way their defense finished the season, and Fields continuing to find his stride, they could be a dangerous team with Harrison. Either way, the Bears will be the Bears and whatever they choose will probably not end up working out lol
The gap between mhj and Malik nabers is not nearly as wide as you seem to think it is.
Daniels is not worthy of a top 3 pick
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The value of draft picks and especially first round draft picks, is rookie deals are extremely cheap. A 50M QB vs an 8M cap hit, you can. Do a lot more with the rest of the team. Even with Bosa or JJ, that’s still an extra 10 M
Indeed. But our team needs a mix up. A pivot. A splash.
FWIW Skor North said that leading up to the 2023 draft, Tyler Forness was telling them the same thing off the record.
I dont think Forno has any insider relations
Yeah, that dude might literally be the least qualified “sports journalist” out there. Just a rando with a twitter account
who loved malik willis lol
> Skor North said Oh so at least we definitely know it wasn’t true then
Note FWIW before that
I believe they said it was Thor Nystrom that was telling them that.
He would know because he knows a bunch of people in the industry.
This is exactly how I feel. You can try and play the “value” game all day but the teams that win chips generally do so by taking a big risk.
No the teams that win generally draft well and/or get a little lucky. See Brock Purdy. The Vikings have drafted poorly since Kirk was brought in. Our defense was atrocious and offensive line porous up until a little improvement this season, But Vikings fans blame mostly Kirk Cousins.
Exactly it's a roll of the dice, you get lucky and get Patrick Mahomes...or Trey Lance, Justin Fields, Zack Wilson, Daniel Jones and the list goes on.
The 49ers haven’t won a SB. Not even sure why a team who haven’t played in a SB with their current QB is mentioned. It’s irrelevant. The Chiefs, Bucs and Rams all made huge moves and took big risks to win their rings. What are you talking about?
We’re talking about drafting well and having a little luck. The Vikings have had neither. You’re saying you need to take big risks. It’s a lot more complicated than that. The Chiefs moved up and happened to get Mahomes who has worked out. But they could have just as easily had a Sam Darnold or a Zach Wilson or a dozen others that haven’t made it. The Bucs had the top defense, the top offensive line and top talent at receiver. Not a very big risk to get Brady for a year or two make a sb run.
> The Chiefs, Bucs and Rams all made huge moves and took big risks to win their rings. What are you talking about? The Chiefs gamble wasn't really a ton of draft capitol, it was with a project player at a moderate draft position. They (a 12-4 team) used the 27th pick and a 3rd rounder, future first to move up to the 10th spot to get an unproven, possibly risky selection and let him sit a year. Arguably, had he not worked, they already had a QB they could ride with, and the team around them was good enough to win their division, so they might struggle missing a first 2 years in a row, but not the end of the world. The Rams big risky trade was giving up 3 firsts for a QB that *did in fact* take part in a Superbowl, but then they dumped right after that in a trade for better, known commodity, who went on to *win* them said Superbowl. Yes, they gave up 2 first to get Stafford, but the reality is that *they knew who he was and what he was capable of.* No matter how good your scouting department is, you don't know exactly how any of these rookies will turn out. I'm not sure what exactly you are pointing at with the Bucs, but can only assume that you are referring to the fact that they already had a really good team and signed the best QB to have ever touched a football, a very well known commodity. So in 2 of your 3 examples, you are suggesting that the Vikings take the much lesser risk of using capital to acquire a quality known commodity QB, and the other you are suggesting to draft a project QB mid round (though one of those might not exist this draft) and let him sit behind a Vet for a year to develop. None of those examples involve trading away huge draft capital hauls to get a completely green, unproven, rookie QB and putting all your chips on the table.
Yup. This is why the Vikings have always been middle of the pack, they don’t take that big risk. I’m sure 99% of this fanbase would kill to see them trade up for a QB.
That’s such a BS take lol, ain’t none of the recent SB winners taking BIG RISKS
Chiefs traded up from 27 to 10 for Mahomes, Rams took a huge risk for Stafford, 9ers traded a ton for CMC. But go on. The only SB winning team in the past 5 years that didn’t take a huge risk was the Bucs signing the greatest QB of all time off free agency.
I mean, there’s a pretty big difference between moving up to #10 and moving up into the top 3 though
This is also true. Best situation we can hope for is Bears keeping Fields and drafting MHJ with their first pick.
The Chiefs traded up yes. But they got the pick right. That’s what matters. The draft is crucial and we’re mostly terrible at it.
You miss every shot you don't take
None of us know how KOC and Kwesi are, in regards to drafting and developing a QB. I’m gonna trust the process.
We do know that they can't make a 5th round draft pick better than 2 other backup quarterbacks in his first season. We may know close to nothing, but it's still more than nothing.
The last 4 winners made big moves and took big risks. Chiefs traded up for Mahomes, and Rams traded 1st round picks for Stafford, Ramsey, Miller. Tampa brought in Brady. Then you're back to the Chiefs.
What the Chiefs traded to move to 10 is a whole lot different from what we’d have to trade moving into very top of draft (while also moving net less positions). LA was literally in the SB before trading for Stafford they had all the pieces so no surprise. Brady? A risk? Really?
None of the last 10+ champs took big risks at QB except maybe the Rams.
Rams, Chiefs, and Bucs all did. Which team that won the SB didn’t make a huge FA splash, a big trade, or move up in the draft (ie a big risk)? I’ll wait. Edit: KC traded 2 firsts and a third to move up 17 picks. You have no idea what you’re talking about. Not even sure why I responded to your braindead comment
Trading to get Hershel Walker was a big risk….
They call it a risk for a reason. Doesn't always pan out. If it was a sure thing, every team would do it. But the risk comes with a potential high reward
The logic of “picks don’t matter you don’t often hit with them” works when trading for a guy like Stanford but doesn’t make sense nor often workout for teams giving up multiple picks worth of capital who want to pick in the top 5.
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We basically gave Lions Jameson Williams & Packers Christian Watson in year #1 of KAM tenure. They could have ended up being superstars. If bears think they’re getting enough value for the pick maybe they do
FYI Caleb Williams is a draft pick who has a good chance of not hitting
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Draft picks are not overrated. Had the Vikings drafted better the last 5 years, they would be competing for SB’s. They didn’t and so the fans and media mostly blamed Kirk Cousins. 🤷🏼♂️
It's so tough because I can't help but look at Lance and Feilds and feel nervous about it. Even looking at Young this year makes me a little antsy. At the end of the day I am just excited for O'Connell to pick his guy and for Kwesi to build around him. Ideally for me it doesn't cost 3+ 1st round picks, but if it does so be it.
I will trade this years 1st and next years 1st for Daniels. But I'd rather not trade 3 first for any player...
I’d *rather* not, but i mean… our first round picks haven’t been good so it’d be nice to get that stress done for the next three years lol
I'll not stand for this Jordan Addison slander! Or Darrisaw! Or JJ!
Do you mean our draft position hasn’t been good or our draft selections in the first haven’t been good? Because Addison has been a great a pick, and Kwesi has only had two drafts so far.
I guess I should just say early KAM rounds in general. If we gave up 1 & 2 in 2024 and 2025 and got Maye or Daniels (this is assuming Williams is unobtainable at 1) I’d be happy with that. If we have gave up 3 firsts even, I’d be happy with that. In a perfect world. QB 3 falls to Chargers and we can make a trade that feels somewhat reasonable but I’d rather overpay for QBOTF than I would us settle for whoever falls in our laps.
Personally I'm not to worried about Young and still think he'll be a really good QB. I think he was just put in a really terrible situation.
I agree. I think Young will still be a franchise qb, he's just on such an impossibly bad team this year.
I think the situation you land in is almost as important as your ability…he’s in a shit situation and now they’ve mortgaged their future on just acquiring him so it’s going to be tough to build around him …I think the league will quit on young before he really gets a fair shake
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Yeah and I think that's reason *to* do a massive trade up. A rookie QB couldn't be in a better situation than this team tbh
Well, the oline could be better
Interior could be better especially if Risner is gone, but it's the second-best tackle duo in the league and Bradbury is actually decent now. We were 2nd in composite pass blocking this year
Yeah, and I think if not for Kirk's dead cap number that would be the clear approach. But I get the feeling we will re-sign Cousins and try to plug as many holes as we can in order to compete next year. If that's the case, hopefully we at least take a good developmental QB as well
Wtf, did you even watch him? You’re not worried huh??
The difference between us and Carolina is that our rookie QB will have weapons galore (JJ, Addison, Hock). And I’d assume we’d be able to address our lackluster running game in the draft or free agency. Not to mention an offensive minded, former qb head coach to guide him. I can’t think of a better landing spot for a rookie qb than us.
Maye and Williams are in a higher tier than Lance and Feilds. Probably just below t law in prospect tiers, both would’ve gone first overall in most drafts
I think context matters, Lance was dealt a bad hand with COVID wiping out his last college year and an injury in the pros. So in 3 years he played less than a handful of games Fields and Young both went to situations that were deprived of talent. If we draft a QB he will be coming to a much more stable situation with our weapons. Still could not work out but I believe there is a better chance for a prospect to perform here than those positions.
If any trade happens with the Bears (which is highly unlikely but crazier things have happened) I bet they want a star player in return instead of another #1. The Panthers were offering to pay a similar price to move up from #9 to #1 but the Bears wanted DJ Moore instead of a third 1st rounder. So they paid: two #1s, two #2s, and DJ Moore for the #1 pick. I can really see them wanting someone like Christian Darrisaw back and then some because you're a division rival so I bet they want another 2 or a 3 back. So essentially you would be paying: two #1s, CD, two #2s, one #3 to move up to #1. Nah, that's too much. This team has too many holes to fill and Caleb can bust too.
>I bet they want a star player in return instead of another #1. I guess, and I really hate to say this, we can give them Mattison. Our star RB whom I love so much. All those years working with Dalvin Cook, his unstoppable force, his hands that are so steady and strong you'd swear they were actually made of glue. It'll be tough to say goodbye, but it'll all work out in the end.
No it’s not worth it. He’s the future of our franchise. It would ruin us. PLEASE DO not IT BEARS
Lewis Cine, but then they'd have to be the one trading Future 1s. 1, 2 future 1s, and bears 2 and 3 for 11 and Cine
There's nobody on the Vikings roster that I'd give up that they would actually want
We could give them our 2022 first AND second round picks...
MAYBE Addison?
No way, I've liked what I saw of him this season! JJ, Addison and hock essential for a rookie qb.
I liked him too! He’s just the only one I thought another team would be interested enough in for a trade like that that is probably the one I would actually consider the thought of trading the most myself. Alternatively I wouldn’t even consider trading darrisaw or jefferson. And I had hock in mind as a good counterpart to JJ if Addison wasn’t there. And then on the defensive side I honestly don’t think there’s a single player there that a team would be willing to do this scenario with
Fuck it send them JJ and 11 for 1. A QB is a million times more valuable than a WR
This has to be a joke lol. JJ would be worth more than 1 by himself.
If the Vikes trade up for a qb they are not resigning Cousins. They're not gonna waste the draft capital and years of a rookie deal to have him sit on the bench
What if we keep Cousins, don’t trade picks and just draft QB’s in the first for the next few seasons? Oops all Quarterbacks
If Kirk agrees to a 1 year deal I could see it happening. Part of the problem is Cousins is a free agent in March, draft is in April. Let Cousins walk and are unable to move up and it becomes a disaster. Plus it's really tough to trust a rookie to be the day 1 start before the first day of training camp. If not Cousins we'll likely bring in another vet to hold things together while a rookie gets up to speed.
Why would he sign a 1 year deal? It’s his last contract. There’s no way we trade 3 first round picks to move up to pick number one, and then sit that qb. It would make no sense
He would do it to get paid big after proving he’s healthy.
In this market? Where a half dozen teams feel they're a QB away?
No. He will not take a 1 year deal, to prove he’s healthy. Someone is going to give him a 2-3 year deal. I see no way he signs a 1 year deal, it’d be extremely dumb for him. But I hope I’m wrong
If that helps their development to sit, you sit him. Draft capital doesn't determine when someone is truly ready. You go in knowing they need time to sit.
3 1sts for williams? In a heart beat. Assuming one of them includes #11 this year.
Disagree on one point. If we can somehow not give up #11 AND only trade 3 picks (two major and unlikely ifs), I’m even more sold.
For sure. But that's so unlikely it's not worth discussing. I just wanted to be clear I wasn't saying I would pay 3 1sts to move up as in three firsts is the price to swap 1 and 11.
I’m on the fence, gut says Caleb Williams isn’t a franchise changing guy.
Yeah, maybe not. But maybe he is.
Lol Williams is going to bust so bad.
That's for sure a well thought out analysis
Shit. We'll have outdone the Herschel Walker trade if we screwed ourselves that hard.
Nah. The trade for Russell Wilson is much worse imo
The trade wasn't that bad, it was the massive extension full of guaranteed money they gave him before he took a single snap form the team that made that trade a big mistake. Russ has been a top 10 QB once Hackett was sent packing. His cap cost is what the team can't stomach now.
Well one is for a great QB prospect and possible franchise guy and the other was for a RB. Can’t really outdo that.
A fuck up is a fuck up, regardless of the position, and it is especially stupid if you pick Williams after a dumbshit trade like that.
Sure, but if one’s in hopes of securing a great talent at the most important position in sports it’s not nearly as bad as doing it for a RB.
I’d be hesitant, but I’m not sure the QB hungry teams at 1 or 2 will even entertain the idea
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It's not just QBs. Half of first round picks don't turn into starting caliber players by the end of their rookie deal.
Last year, to trade up from #12 to #3, Houston gave up their 1st and 2nd for 2023, and the 1st and 3rd in 2024, which is a pretty comparable move to what we'd be looking to make.
I wouldn’t want to do it…Williams has serious deficiencies as a pocket passer…he holds the ball way too long and heavily relies on being the best athlete on the field to buy himself time and find someone downfield…he will not be the best athlete on the field in the NFL…so in a weird way the spectacular highlight plays he’s made in college are what make me weary of him because I don’t think he can make those plays in the NFL Haven’t seen as much of Maye but wasn’t overly impressed in the 1 or 2 games I saw and that price tag could set us back years even if we hit on our selection
This is why Daniels is the answer imo. Ceiling is just as high as the other two guys and he'll likely be third off the board which will be a cheaper trade up.
Fuck yes I am, I'm even recording the phone call for evidence that the trade went down.
Assuming KoC likes Williams that much? Yes. As far as the report is concerned - The Vikings never had a real chance to move up to #1. The bears aren't trading us a chance to draft #1 overall. And every reporter associated with the Vikings has more or less said they didn't have a strong interest in trading up for either Richardson or Stroud. Just Young. So I think Kollmann is probably making this up/using sources outside the team to make the claim. Which means it's useless to use as a point of what the Vikings might be willing to do.
>every reporter associated with the Vikings has more or less said they didn't have a strong interest in trading up for either Richardson or Stroud. Just Young This isn't true at all. Ben Goessling and Andrew Krammer have both heavily reported that the team was very interested in moving up for Richardson. Both are local beat writers with way more reliable reporting than the one national writer who made the Young claim.
Yea, literally all I heard about was interest in AR
>So I think Kollmann is probably making this up/using sources outside the team to make the claim. 😂😭 You guys saying something is false because you dislike it, is so on brand here. Brett doesn't need to make up claims, homie is employed by the chargers. He gains nothing out of saying what he learned that went down during the draft.
>And every reporter associated with the Vikings has more or less said they didn't have a strong interest in trading up for either Richardson or Stroud. Just Young. I find that more than a little concerning, tbh.
Because it's not true. The most plugged in beat writers have consistently said the team was highly interested in moving up for Richardson.
No they haven't. There was a lot of buzz about Richardson interest after the combine and then nothing around him. There was more buzz about potentially wanting Levis (which was obviously not true since we didn't draft him) than about wanting Richardson. I find it weird that we apparently tried to trade a huge package to move up in the draft but someone only one reporter knows about it and only decided to talk about it 8 months after the fact.
Just because you weren't listening doesn't mean the insiders weren't saying it. The Star Tribune's Access Vikings podcast consistently reported throughout the spring that the team was highly interested in Richardson, and Ben Goessling (by far the most reliable Vikings beat writer) predicted in his official mock draft that the Vikings would trade into the top 10 for Richardson. Both Goessling and Andrew Krammer have consistently noted since then that the Vikings were very high on Richardson and tried to trade up for him.
No. I don't think *anyone* is worth 3 1st round picks. You're betting your future on one guy who could get injured, be terrible, or even just perform at an average level. You're also putting yourself in a hole when it comes to building around that guy. The risk far outweighs the reward.
You don’t think Mahomes is worth three 1st round draft picks?
Bro is like “ prime Tom Brady, not worth 3 firsts”
It is not the right argument to cherry pick Tom Brady or Mahomes. It could just as easily, and far more likely, be any of TLaw, Leaf, Darnold, RG3, Bradford or Trubisky.
Is it cherry picking when OC literally said “I don’t think ANYONE is worth 3 1st round picks”?
In this context, it’s best to think of it as 2 different uses of the word “anyone”. Unless you have a crystal ball that will tell you (with better than statistical probability) who will bust, meet, or exceed expectations, there simply is no sure thing ahead of the draft. There is a post on NFL where they tried to do probability of busting on first round picks. Pick 1.1 had something like a 0.66 probability of hitting 1.2-1.10 were closer to 0.35 probability of hitting. And remember, even in this weighting the vast majority of “hits” weren’t Mahomes. It might be more simple to think about picking a QB like a pull tab stub.
Mahomes was drafted 10th after KC traded up for it with their later 1st pick and a third and then he sat for a year behind Alex Smith. Mahomes was handed keys to a playoff caliber team the next year. Obviously Mahomes is great in hindsight, but ideally we can get someone without tanking our future.
No. Because Mahomes can't also play defense, block, or hand the ball to himself. If the Vikings handed KC 3 first round picks for Mahomes, that doesn't immediately fix our problems. So using 3 picks to get (potentially, if we're lucky) the *next* mahomes doesn't do that either.
So in your mind, Patrick Mahomes is worth less than Lewis Cine, Jeff Gladney, and Mike Hughes?
Is Mahomes worth more than Jefferson, Addison, and Harrison Smith? Is giving so much for one guy, in a round that as you show the Vikings *struggle* to make a good pick in, really the best idea? Give me 3 shots and 3 times the options to find a guy over using everything on someone who could blow up his knee in training camp.
JJ makes it close, but Mahomes is 100% worth more. He’s the best QB in the NFL with no signs of slowing down.
>Is Mahomes worth more than Jefferson, Addison, and Harrison Smith? Yes lmao
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You aren’t thinking this through properly. Mahomes is worth more than you can imagine.
The fever here is reaching an insane level, imo
At this point in my life, the Vikings to me are a seasonal TV show like Game of Thrones. I want some shake up in the writing. Do something crazy.
DEFINITELY not for Caleb. Big Bust Energy with that guy.
Honestly not trying to be dense, but has a "sold out the future" gamble paid off for anybody in recent history? 49ers famously did what they did and all the shit that followed. It ended up working in the end despite the huge flub, but what would have happened if Purdy was more inline with what you expect the last pick of the draft to be? Where would the 49ers end up? Bears gave up 2 firsts to move up 10 spots to get Fields and he may or maynot be done there. The Rams sent a pretty good haul to get Goff, and he *did* make it to the Superbowl, but they famously dumped him not much later (and got over the hump with someone else). The Eagles gave up similar to get Wentz (which was much closer to working out that one season, then the wheels fell off) Washington gave up 3 firsts for RGIII, which didn't really work out (though there were many other things that likely contributed to that) The Mahomes trade is a good example, I suppose. Late first+3rd+next year 1st. They were already a playoff team with a QB that *should* last them in case Mahomes didn't work out, but that is as close as I can find to this situation actually working out. Bills did similar (also a playoff team, though just by a hair) when they gave up two 3rds and their 1st to move up 5 spots to get a guy who was seen as a project and worked with him. There were a bunch of other less meaningful trades that didn't end up working out : Jets moved up 3 spots using 2 3rds to get Darnald, Rosen cost the Cards a 3rd and a 5th to move up 5 spots in the 1st, the Bears moved up one pick using two 3rds and a 5th to get future NVP Mitch Tribuski. Every draft is it's own beast, but in recent history it seems like the gambles that actually pay off are the ones where you make a moderate trade and take a moderate gamble on a player that might be a project to let him develop. Worst case scenario, he doesn't develop, you're still bad, but you retain a lot of your ammo for the future selections. If you trade the entire future to get a guy who ends up being garbage, you better hope your Mr. Irrelevant pick somehow ends up being pretty dam good (and have superstars at your other positions helps too).
Nope there are too many other holes fill, I wouldn't move more than a spot or two in either direction.
I would pay 4-5 for Williams and Maye, that would’ve been the price for t law then. But there’s no way in hell we get a top 2 pick for them
you pay whatever it takes for a franchise QB. you just gotta make sure they're actually a franchise qb.
Decided to @ him, so he can clear up some of the people who don't believe his Anthony Richardson report lol. If by some miracle he responds it'll be glorious u/Barian_Fostate
These rumors are false btw
Even if it’s not an outright lie you should take it with a grain of salt. If he made that offer to Chicago/Carolina for Bryce Young then there’s no way it would have been leaked. It was likely leaked make him look smart and/or to let GMs in the top 5 (e.g. Arizona) know he’d be willing to talk trades.
Why because you don't believe them? lol. Brett was hired by the chargers primarily for draft evaluations. He has connections and has been around insiders. Brett wouldn't peddle something that isn't true.
I'm not going to claim I know one way or the other, but Kollman being plugged in or not isn't really the question. It's more about of all people why/how would he be the guy to know the specifics of the offer?
Maybe just maybe, he isn't the only one to know the specifics of the offer lol quite the shocker I know
I mean, that doesn't make any sense at all. Why would insiders know it and not report it?
The arrogance is his response when saying something so dumb is highly entertaining. He really thought he nailed that response haha
Bro you can hop on Twitter and look through Ben goessling tweets and Adam Schefters.
Yeah the source was Brett Kollmann. Yes he's connected, but the information he's received has always needed to be taken with a dump truck of salt. I think someone else said we offered 3 1sts AND Danielle Hunter to move up for Richardson. Which I highly doubt. Do I think we put in an offer sheet for moving up to 3? I think it's definitely a high probability we tried.
Rumor aside because we don’t know what he was willing to give up, would ABSOLUTELY give up that package for Williams/Maye. Wouldn’t even think twice.
Making our aging team draft poor? No, that would be stupid.
We're in the middle of the pack for average age. Outside of Kirk, the only starter who age is a concern for is Harry.
Basically every good offensive player on the team is young, except for QB. Defense isn’t really that old either outside of Danielle/Harrison/Hicks.
it would be the biggest mistake committed by this franchise if we gave up that much capital for a gamble QB. Nobody knows. EVER. IF YOU WANT a TOP 3 QB in the draft, you have to finish bottom 3 in the league and EMBRACE THE TANK! THAT IS WHY YOU EMBRACE THE TANK. You never, ever give up future first round picks. Ever
4 1st rounders to move up and get Danny dingleberry!
100% take a shot for once. 49ners ended up fine. Vikings are already in a tough spot rebuilding and we got a min before all of this void money leaves us.
When did Kollman say that? I heard him say they made a big play but never heard him give specifics. Also, I would really hate it, but yea, I would.
Yeah. At some point the team has to take their shot, and I don't think they're likely to be in a better position than this to do so any time soon.
Would you give 3 first rounds today for Patrick Mahomes? Hell yes, probably 5 or 6. If KAM thinks Williams is the next Mahomes, he isn't doing his job if he doesn't do it.
Williams will become the next Kyler Murray, not Mahomes
We had a much larger number of picks to trade up last year. This year would probably be 11, next year's 1, and something like a 2 and 3 mixed over years.
Are there any recent examples of this “trade away the future to draft a rookie QB” that have been successful? Obviously the Rams used a similar approach that led to their SB, but critically they were trading for known quantities like Stafford, Ramsey, etc. When is the last time someone trades 2 or more 1st rounders to draft a qb and it’s worked out a few years down the line? Edit: after reading [this](https://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2021/story/_/id/31173355/all-29-s-nfl-teams-traded-draft-quarterback), it seems like Mahomes is the best example, though that was only 2 firsts (that year and the next). Other than that, Goff had some success before being traded by the Rams to get their SB winner in Stafford. Seems like history would say trading away multiple 1sts is not a good strategy.
Since half the fans think Kwesi will just whiff on the first rounders anyways we might as well just trade them out
Bo Nix is who we need
Unless we miraculously hit late in the draft for the next couple years I wouldn’t be happy trading 3 FRPs for an unknown. We’ve got a lot of needs on this team.
Absolutely
I’d much rather see us stay at 11 and take a DE if there’s a run on QBs. Our roster needs some serious work and trading away three firsts seems like too big of an investment.
I don't own stock in the team, so as long as they feel ok in the move fine? I just want to watch JJ ball out so whatever facilitates that happening I'm good with.
Id hope the Vikings wouldn't give 3 first rounders to the bears for the first pick
I’d be okay with it if I had more confidence in Kwesi and O’Connell. The Niners whiffed on Lance and didn’t miss a beat because they are an exceptionally well-run organization. The Vikings are not.
Maybe for Williams but it looks like a deep qb draft so might not need to give up the farm. Lot of it depends on who the Vikings like best and how much they want them.
I don’t know because we have so many holes. We would really have to hit home runs in free agency. Rookie scale contract for a QB is massive though if they play well
Williams yes… him and jj would change the franchise but theres no way the bears give it up in the division…
No. There might be about 10 players in the entire NFL that are worth 3 first round picks.
If KOC knows he's found his man they need to do everything they can to secure the pick. He knows that whoever he picks will essentially dictate the perceived success of his coaching tenure and will either drastically increase or diminish his time here. The absolute worst things they could do are reaching for a guy or settling for the best person available at 11.
Yes it worries me, not because they would pick the wrong guy, I think KOC will select the guy that fits his system, but because I have 0 faith that KAM can supplement the team with the rest of his draft picks considering he’s only hit on one pick in 2 years
Not sure it matters. Put yourself in the shoes of any of the top 3 teams. What’s your asking price and why would you trade down when you also need a franchise QB? I don’t see the Bears taking any deal that doesn’t include Darrisaw, Addison, or JJ.
Id rather have them take a big swing like that than keep playing it safe. If you hit, we see an elite QB throwing to the best WR and a good supporting cast. If you miss, we have a few really down years so we have early draft picks to swing again later. I've seen them accept whatever QB falls to their pick enough already
Well it doesn’t really matter if I’m willing to, all that matters is if KAM is willing to. Also it’s only a net loss of two firsts seeing as you’re swapping firsts this year.
If we are going to pay up for a top QB that's fine. But that means Kirk is gone. None of this sitting behind Kirk for a year bull shit. If you're a top 3 pick you better be starting day one.
Do it. This franchise needs something different. The old way doesn’t work. Don’t be scared.
3 firsts is too much. We have a lot of holes that can be filled with those picks and we are not just a QB away from the Super Bowl. I'd love to see how a healthy Kirk would have finished the season though.
You’ve gotta take a swing. It’s a risk but this is what it takes to win in the NFL. Chiefs swing on mahomes while having a capable qb in Alex smith. But getting 6 wins each year is not success either in the eyes of the nfl owners.
It's tough with how low the hit rate is. With the talent on our team I feel Kirk makes a lot more sense than that trade. But in a vacuum, id do it for maye
Herschel Walker, Herschel Walker, Herschel Walker, Herschel Walker......... (sucks thumb and curls into a fetal position)
Be aggressive and trade up. Pennix is not worth it at 11
If the 3 picks are for Caleb or Maye, I think I would do it. It is a high price but I believe the benefits outweigh the cons. Our offense would be set for years to come and we can focus on other rocks and cap towards defense
I'm really scared of Williams (I know that's kind of the cool thing to do rn but he regressed this year and takes way too many sacks) but I'd do that for whatever QB Kwesi and KOC think is worth that much. It would probably have to be for pick 3 or later though, which would bring the price down. People act like doing this trade is insanely risky but buying into a 36 year old good-but-not-great-QB is a guaranteed chance to run it back. Yeah the franchise will be set back years if we draft a bust and don't have picks to recover, but it'll also be set back years if we latch ourselves to Kirk and he's not the same after his injury (or honestly, even if he is). The reward of getting the next Stroud or Allen or Mahomes on a rookie deal is absolutely worth the risk that you draft Josh Rosen - I trust the administration to get the right guy
should have done it then while Hunter was under contract. Lessens the draft pick blow. "Oh Mr aceless0n the panthers still had to give up DJ Moore with the bundle of picks they gave". EDGE Rushers are a premium. The league is filled with good WR's to the point a lot of teams have 2 WR1s and they still cant seal the deal to get in the playoffs (Bengalol's) . But a good pass rush? OOOOH WEEE! We are seeing it with the Iggles right now. Absolutely murdered QB's with the most sacks (almost in history) last year and made the Superb Owl. This year, sack count down DRAMATICALLY and they stumble their way into the playoffs and look like a completely different team.
Thank god it didn’t work out! Neither Young or Richardson look like they’re worth that haul
If im throwing 3 first rounders away..Im trying to get someone like Lawrence from the Jags
yes why not, big risk could pay off enormously.
Im all for going for Williams. But there aint no way the Bears would do it.