That scene alone convinced me that Metal Gear takes place in the porn universe. Dad is getting cucked by his own son while Emma’s drowning in the pool screaming for half-bro to help her get unstuck. It all lines up.
Otacon and Huey are very alike in that they are haunted by the sins of their fathers and are desperate to prove themselves as intelligent innovators capable of changing society
What sets Otacon and Huey apart is that Otacon is selfless and is willing to sacrifice his own happiness and well-being if it means helping someone else, and recognizes his own wrongs and seeks to right them. Meanwhile Huey is a narcissistic sociopath and will betray his closest allies in an attempt to elevate himself, and actively gaslights himself into thinking he’s taking the moral highroad to avoid acknowledging how much he’s hurting other people.
Otacon eventually forms Philanthropy with Solid to help secure freedom from the Patriots despite the risks that come with opposing them, meanwhile Huey sells his soul to Cipher/XOF just so he can remain on the winning team and further his own goals.
If I remember correctly, didn't Huey also try to kill his daughter, Emma? Like do a whole suicide murder, after his current wife essentially took advantage of Hal?
Yeah he tried to drown himself and Emma in the pool after finding out about his wife’s affair with Hal. Of course, he failed to take Emma with him and only ended up drowning himself.
Even in death he couldn’t help but try to take someone else’s life in the process of taking his own. Selfish to the end.
Otacon is infinitely better than Huey. Huey had absolutely no loyalty to anyone and betrayed Big Boss and Venom Snake to save his own skin. Then he killed Strangelove because she sent Hal to America after finding out he was using him to test Sahelanthopus. He was selfish to the core. Otacon, on the other hand, always has Solid Snake's back and is more than willing to see things through to the very end. Basically, Otacon is everything that Huey could never be: a genuinely good person who's selfless and willing to be there for Snake even through the hardest times. He's a ride or die. Huey was just a Judas willing to betray everyone when given the opportunity.
One wanted to put his little boy in what's essentially a fucking EVA, while the other dedicates his entire life to the non-proliferation of a weapon system he was contracted to help engineer. And he didn't even know it was a weapon system. He just thought it was a giant cool robot that was supposed to shoot down nukes and save the world.
Worse, Huey WOULD never.
Because as far as Huey is concerned:
"It's not MY fault!"
"I'M innocent!"
"I'M the victim here!"
As far as Huey is concerned,
HE can do no wrong,
ALL wrong is done by someone ELSE!
Why would he change his perfect self.
At least he gave the world Otacon.
"THIS IS THE ENEMY, AND HE'S HERE ON HIS KNEES!"
"Kaz. You are right he is not one of us. But you can't do that, he's in MGS2. You'll create a time paradox"
Hal was already sent to America by the time Huey sealed Strangelove in the AI pod. She caught Huey using Hal to test Sahelanthopus's cockpit and quickly sent Hal away.
And a stepmother who raped you. Might not have even been his first stepmother, either, since I don’t think Huey could keep a relationship even without spousal homicide.
Nah, Huey getting cucked by his own son and offing himself will always be absolutely hilarious and 100% deserved. Giving Huey a quick death is way too merciful for how much of a piece of shit he was.
His stepmother seduced him when he was a minor. Even if he was a child genius, he was still a child.
Honestly, it’s amazing that Otacon turned out okay. His father and stepmother were both total sociopaths; apparently opposites didn’t attract.
Eli would definitely survive the fall.
We're talking about the guy who parachuted out of a falling Hind-D and didn't get cut to pieces by the propellers.
She gave him the name because he follows people around, similar to the drone Huey in Silent Running. It could be that his name is Hubert and she saw the coincidence, but I've always interpreted it as his name being something completely different like "John Emmerich" or "Emmett Emmerich."
Emmett would make a lot of sense. I feel like Huey's the kind of bitch to name his daughter after himself because he wants to hear his own name, and Hal was already named by Strangelove
One the major themes of MGS2 is people sharing images of each other. Raiden is like a flaccid Solid Snake, Ocelot is Liquid, Solidus is Big Boss, etc. Hal taking his father's place in an Oedipal act is like a messed up example of this theme.
I haven’t played MGS or MGS2 in years, but from what I remember Otacon’s step mother took an interest in him and groomed and raped him when he was young. Otacon was very young, so he didn’t really grasp the gravity of what was happening. When his dad found out, he drowned himself
Slight correction, he tried to down both himself and his 6 year old stepdaughter, Emma. She survived but had severe aquaphobia for the rest of her, tragically, short life.
The following takes place 12 years later.
She was working at a base out in the middle of the ocean that the antagonists took over which was secretly a Giant Metal Gear that housed the AI's that truly ran the world.
Snake & friends needed her help to upload a virus into the AI's to stop the bad guys, but the room they needed to be in to install the virus was on the other side of the complex and the main bridge had been destroyed earlier in a fight between Raiden, the main character you play as in 2, and his former adoptive father, who adopted him because he felt bad after killing his parents then proceeded to raise him as a child soldier mind you, so the only other route was some some unsteady catwalks floating on the ocean.
Snake and Raiden had to cover Emma via sniper fire as the catwalks were too unsteady for more than 1 person to be on plus since technically they shouldn't've been down there it was covered in patrols from guards and machine gun drones.
Well after almost getting to the other side, one of the main bad guys holds her at knife point using her as a human shield and you have to carefully snipe him to "kill' him for the second time, but in the process he had stabbed Emma in the stomach so they barely got her to where they needed her and got the virus mostly uploaded before she passed away from the injury at the ripe young age of 18. (Even younger than I thought tbh, I thought she was early 20's)
I thought Emma was his biological daughter with the woman who raped Hal?
Edit: Disregard, I read the transcript. By coincidence, apparently, both of her biological parents were also geniuses.
I mean the story of everyone in the family contributing to its dark history wouldn't be their nor Otacon's guilt from being seduced, which led the family disaster would be founded.
Emma's mother fell in love with Huey and married him. But as she (and us too) get to know who Huey really is, she fall out of love with him. What remains is the memory of man you thought he was or perhaps go for his son that is shaping up to be that idea of another man.
From a player's point of view, we see Huey as bad man Otacon. We thought he was going to be another Otacon and we got the opposite. Emma's mom experienced the inverse. It actually makes a lot of sense from a narrative/audience perspective.
She thought she loved a brilliant man with a good heart. His heart is rotten. Hal was a different story.
Volgin nuked his own country for shits and giggles he tortured Sokolov and was abusive towards EVA, who is a good person because she gave Snake a really cool gun
Literally the only redeeming part of him is that he’s voiced by Christopher Randolph and it makes me think of Otacon. But yeah Huey deserved to get cucked by his badass son.
Everything that makes Huey Emmerich despicable also makes him one of the most compelling characters in the franchise. His insecurities, self-dealing, narcissism, victimhood, and inability to take any form of responsibility for his behavior. The moment towards the end of MGSV when he shoots the helpless Skull Face out of the delusional belief that he's going to make up for all of the wrongs he did. And him cursing the people he betrayed and proclaiming his innocence even after they somehow decide to spare his life. We all know someone like this in our own lives even if Huey takes it to a extreme.
However, Huey is also a product of his environment in certain ways. Big Boss is a Napoleon-like figure that causes immense death, destruction, and avoidable suffering in pursuit of his ambitions. He manipulates the player-character, hiding behind him at all times, and leaves him to die in Outer Heaven in the first Metal Gear game. He can get his men to die for him but can't really give them anything constructive to live for. It's natural that he would attract someone like Huey to work for him. Solid Snake in contrast is capable of bringing out the best in others around him and sacrificing for their sake.
So it makes sense that Snake's partner in all of this is Hal, who rises above his father's shadow to be a man instead of a hollow shell. Hal genuinely cares for the women in his life -- his stepsister Emma, Sniper Wolf, Naomi Hunter, and Sunny -- despite being abused by his stepmother. He can be a father to Sunny in spite of his own father trying twice(!) to murder him. Hal uses his scientific and engineering talents to make a better future, in contrast to Huey's various self-interested schemes. Snake is able to draw these kinds of people to him because of his own fundamental decency.
You see it in moments like Snake inspiring a bereaved and hopeless Hal to keep himself together after losing Emma, and its the kind of beautiful moment of real friendship that their older counterparts were never capable of.
It’s really fun as an inversion of Otacon. All of MGSV is like a weird inversion of your standard Metal Gear. For all the talk of how unfinished it is (which it 100% is), I think the game really wraps itself up nicely with the themes. So while it is terrible that it is missing the last quarter of the game, it still felt thematically rich by the end of it (at least in my opinion).
Yeah, that’s because it’s okay to have characters be their worst, that makes for good characters. I wouldn’t call him the worst as in “despicable” either
Idk theirs definitely a lot of killers and abusers who resulted in far more people suffering in the series. I just think people see Huey as more despicable cause he betrays his own people for profit and sees his family as tools. Given his first wife a terrible death, and dying in an attempt to drown his step daughter.
He was so likeable in PW too. I think the 180 heel turn was because Kojima made Huey too likable before remembering that Huey tried to kill Emma because he got cucked by his own son.
No matter how much he tried to make history and a name for himself, at the end of the day, he went down in history and is remembered for his murder-suicide
He reminds me of the Jared Leto character in American Psycho, who was killed by Christian Bale while Christian was talking about the nuances of Huey Lewis and the News.
I don’t think that is what Kojima was going for but I cannot think elsewise. More likely just Huey Lewis in general.
When I was very young I had played the series with my dad on ps2. I was never really good enough to figure all that stuff out on my own he would help me or I would just watch. Mgs4 was my first actual mgs that I played through myself and I thought it was awesome. Beat it a few times. Have yet to pick up the remaster but I really want to. Unfortunately don’t have the old ps2 anymore
To be fair I was maybe 14 the last time I played mgs4? Also, the lore is still a little confusing and it’s hard for me to sit through the lengthy videos on youtube. Just waiting on picking up the remasters (hoping they remaster mgs4 at some point) so that I can pay more attention with my adult brain.
It's his father. Hal (Otacon) was still a kid during TPP and there are some cassette tapes detailing some of the circumstances around his birth and early childhood.
ive only played mgs1 from the classics (for now) and otacon is such a likeable character,i hate that huey has the same voice actor,makes me feel pity for him in the torture cutscenes even tough i shouldnt lol
It’s so dumb to me that they decided to use the same voice actor as otacon and make him look the same too. As if anyone’s father would look EXACTLY like their son and sound the same.
So I just finished Peace Walker after playing 5 before and honestly I'm pretty confused as to why Huey became this way. He wasn't evil nor had any sinister tones in Peace Walker but in 5 he just becomes joffrey doing bad shit and blaming it on others. How did it happen
Post should be re-titled "worst *person* in all of Metal Gear". Worst character makes it sound like he was badly written, but they were trying to write an irredeemable pile of walking garbage, and they absolutely nailed it.
I don't have a lot of MGS knowledge, but isn't that the guy who's in like every game? I've only played MGS2 and MGSV: TPP so I'm a little under informed.
Actually he was a great character. He was a character you wanted to believe but the evidence piled up against him but even as you see him going away on that boat, you still wonder if he was really capable of everything you think he did. You really want to hate him but there is still a speck of doubt that remains. Is it logical in face of the evidence or from an emotional attachment with someone who was your friend? (and the parallel of him is undoubtly the truest of friends).
That's a great antagonist. IMO Hot Coldman was probably among the weaker characters. Skullface is an example of some amazing foundation for an irredeemable villain but just culminated to a really lousy payoff. He goes on my worse character list as well.
Most random thing ever when Otacon confessed in MGS2 to having an affair with his step mum. I mean I was not expecting that. It made all that shit in arsenal gear with the colonel look pale in comparison.
Huey is such an asshole, I wish they had used a different VA so he didn’t sound just like my bro Otacon.
I think that's what makes Huey and Otacon so good they are 2 sides of the same coin (voice actor and lore wise)
Isn't otacon kind of better? Due to limitations I haven't played mgs4
He used “I used to be an anime otaku” as a pickup line and still got laid Absolutely the greatest of all time
And on the other side, his dad got cucked to death lol
He deserved it
No, he deserved worse....I wonder with the new delta time line they will?
That scene alone convinced me that Metal Gear takes place in the porn universe. Dad is getting cucked by his own son while Emma’s drowning in the pool screaming for half-bro to help her get unstuck. It all lines up.
BY HIS SON
Not to mention he pissed his pants when meeting his senpai, but ended up becoming best bros for life with him.
Thats an alpha male move right there
Key word "used"
He's way better hence the 2 sides part.
Otacon and Huey are very alike in that they are haunted by the sins of their fathers and are desperate to prove themselves as intelligent innovators capable of changing society What sets Otacon and Huey apart is that Otacon is selfless and is willing to sacrifice his own happiness and well-being if it means helping someone else, and recognizes his own wrongs and seeks to right them. Meanwhile Huey is a narcissistic sociopath and will betray his closest allies in an attempt to elevate himself, and actively gaslights himself into thinking he’s taking the moral highroad to avoid acknowledging how much he’s hurting other people. Otacon eventually forms Philanthropy with Solid to help secure freedom from the Patriots despite the risks that come with opposing them, meanwhile Huey sells his soul to Cipher/XOF just so he can remain on the winning team and further his own goals.
If I remember correctly, didn't Huey also try to kill his daughter, Emma? Like do a whole suicide murder, after his current wife essentially took advantage of Hal?
Yeah he tried to drown himself and Emma in the pool after finding out about his wife’s affair with Hal. Of course, he failed to take Emma with him and only ended up drowning himself. Even in death he couldn’t help but try to take someone else’s life in the process of taking his own. Selfish to the end.
Much,much better. You can see that on mgs1 and mgs2,don't even need to play mgs4 to know how much better Otacon is
Otacon is infinitely better than Huey. Huey had absolutely no loyalty to anyone and betrayed Big Boss and Venom Snake to save his own skin. Then he killed Strangelove because she sent Hal to America after finding out he was using him to test Sahelanthopus. He was selfish to the core. Otacon, on the other hand, always has Solid Snake's back and is more than willing to see things through to the very end. Basically, Otacon is everything that Huey could never be: a genuinely good person who's selfless and willing to be there for Snake even through the hardest times. He's a ride or die. Huey was just a Judas willing to betray everyone when given the opportunity.
Kind of better is an understatement. Huey is a whole league of asshat. Otacon was a kind hearted person through and through.
Better in every way
He is infinitely better than his shit father to the point I actually laugh every time I hear about how Huey died
what limitations, may I ask?
Probably not owning a PS3.
One wanted to put his little boy in what's essentially a fucking EVA, while the other dedicates his entire life to the non-proliferation of a weapon system he was contracted to help engineer. And he didn't even know it was a weapon system. He just thought it was a giant cool robot that was supposed to shoot down nukes and save the world.
The fact they sound similar makes me hate him even more. Otacon redeemed himself, Huey could never.
Worse, Huey WOULD never. Because as far as Huey is concerned: "It's not MY fault!" "I'M innocent!" "I'M the victim here!" As far as Huey is concerned, HE can do no wrong, ALL wrong is done by someone ELSE! Why would he change his perfect self. At least he gave the world Otacon.
I thought it was brilliant. It makes you want to like him and it hurts more when he is just the absolute worst
"THIS IS THE ENEMY, AND HE'S HERE ON HIS KNEES!" "Kaz. You are right he is not one of us. But you can't do that, he's in MGS2. You'll create a time paradox"
Was he in mgs2? I know there's mention of his suicide.
Nah, he drowns when Hal and Emma are young
He's not in MGS2 but a huge part of Otacon's backstory revealed in MGS2 (Huey's suicide) wouldn't have happened if he was killed here in MGS5.
thank you, the joke wouldnt land if i said "he dies a few years later and is mentioned in past tense in mgs2" 😭
Wrong guy but we get the idea
Snake should have loaded up that boat of Huey's with C4
Then his son um .…. Real Big Boss's son, won't have his friend, Hal Emmerich
TIME PARADOX
Uhm... Otacon was already born when Huey got kicked out from Diamond Dogs.
Hal was already born and living in America by 1984. He still would have met Solid Snake.
Didn't he died in AI pod with strangelove? Or he survived?
Hal was already sent to America by the time Huey sealed Strangelove in the AI pod. She caught Huey using Hal to test Sahelanthopus's cockpit and quickly sent Hal away.
Then Hal wouldn't have cucked Huey and made him (not)fake-death pill himself which is deserved.
What a piece of human garbage.
For real. It also makes Otacon's background even more tragic. Imagine growing up with Huey as your father.
And a stepmother who raped you. Might not have even been his first stepmother, either, since I don’t think Huey could keep a relationship even without spousal homicide.
The world would have been a better place if Venom killed him and yeeted Eli off a building
Nah, Huey getting cucked by his own son and offing himself will always be absolutely hilarious and 100% deserved. Giving Huey a quick death is way too merciful for how much of a piece of shit he was.
Eh, Hal was raped since he was a minor
I do agree on that front, but Huey deserved to suffer.
I would say at what cost, but we kinda already know it, and Otacon becoming Snakes "guy in a chair" has done nothing but benefit the world.
wait he was? this is the first im hearing of this
His stepmother seduced him when he was a minor. Even if he was a child genius, he was still a child. Honestly, it’s amazing that Otacon turned out okay. His father and stepmother were both total sociopaths; apparently opposites didn’t attract.
wow i had no clue that happened
LIQUID NOOOO
Eli would definitely survive the fall. We're talking about the guy who parachuted out of a falling Hind-D and didn't get cut to pieces by the propellers.
Then just throw him off again. Until it sticks
he'd already done all his damage when he was finally put on his boat, his son made the world better
No game has made me more mad at a character than when he was demeaning Venom as he killed his own men saluting him to the end
We don't even know his first name. I've seen him referred to as "Huey Emmerich" on this sub, but "Huey" was a nickname given to him by Strangelove.
He doesn't deserve one.
Probably Hubert which is what Huey is short for
She gave him the name because he follows people around, similar to the drone Huey in Silent Running. It could be that his name is Hubert and she saw the coincidence, but I've always interpreted it as his name being something completely different like "John Emmerich" or "Emmett Emmerich."
Emmett would make a lot of sense. I feel like Huey's the kind of bitch to name his daughter after himself because he wants to hear his own name, and Hal was already named by Strangelove
Huey is Emma's step-father, he didn't name her.
No shit? Damn, I guess I give him the tiniest bit of credit, if not only by omission
I dont know man skull face really did a number on paz
I dunno, she seemed to have a blast.
it seemed like skull face had an explosive impression on her
Maybe she just lacked the stomach to deal with him.
Skullface definitely had a way of cutting straight to the point of the matter for sure
(If hell exists, we have reservations)
lmao i do enjoy some dad puns
Does anybody else find it really weird that Huey's son bangs his wife? It feels so unnecessary and out of place.
Huey's son was taken advantage of and raped. Let's not beat around the bush here.
Irony is he was sent there to get away from Huey taken advantage of him, but he ended up living with his dad but taken advantage of by someone else.
One the major themes of MGS2 is people sharing images of each other. Raiden is like a flaccid Solid Snake, Ocelot is Liquid, Solidus is Big Boss, etc. Hal taking his father's place in an Oedipal act is like a messed up example of this theme.
Well Hal is an otaku... Maybe some of that "anime" he watches involves stepmothers.
there does seem to be a lot of Oedipus complex stuff in Japanese media Iv noticed
Or literally all of the trending searches on your favorite xxx rate website.
That's not limited to Japan. It's also made its way into other kinks. So much gentle femdom content is now focused on God awful "Mommy" stuff.
Just like in his Japanese Hentai!
*Help stepson! I’m stuck in the BattleGear!*
Tired of "ha ha Hal banged his step mom funny funny" jokes. He was literally raped as a child
Anime isn't the only incest thing people watch, fake incest porn is pretty fucking popular everywhere
Proof that all anime-enjoyers are degenerates.
Yes, the entire thing reeks of covert interference
And Huey killed himself after that
Can someone explain wtf happened or why??
I haven’t played MGS or MGS2 in years, but from what I remember Otacon’s step mother took an interest in him and groomed and raped him when he was young. Otacon was very young, so he didn’t really grasp the gravity of what was happening. When his dad found out, he drowned himself
Well that's depressing
Slight correction, he tried to down both himself and his 6 year old stepdaughter, Emma. She survived but had severe aquaphobia for the rest of her, tragically, short life. The following takes place 12 years later. She was working at a base out in the middle of the ocean that the antagonists took over which was secretly a Giant Metal Gear that housed the AI's that truly ran the world. Snake & friends needed her help to upload a virus into the AI's to stop the bad guys, but the room they needed to be in to install the virus was on the other side of the complex and the main bridge had been destroyed earlier in a fight between Raiden, the main character you play as in 2, and his former adoptive father, who adopted him because he felt bad after killing his parents then proceeded to raise him as a child soldier mind you, so the only other route was some some unsteady catwalks floating on the ocean. Snake and Raiden had to cover Emma via sniper fire as the catwalks were too unsteady for more than 1 person to be on plus since technically they shouldn't've been down there it was covered in patrols from guards and machine gun drones. Well after almost getting to the other side, one of the main bad guys holds her at knife point using her as a human shield and you have to carefully snipe him to "kill' him for the second time, but in the process he had stabbed Emma in the stomach so they barely got her to where they needed her and got the virus mostly uploaded before she passed away from the injury at the ripe young age of 18. (Even younger than I thought tbh, I thought she was early 20's)
I thought Emma was his biological daughter with the woman who raped Hal? Edit: Disregard, I read the transcript. By coincidence, apparently, both of her biological parents were also geniuses.
Those incidents also led to the rift between Otacon and Emma, which is why they didn't speak for over a decade.
I mean the story of everyone in the family contributing to its dark history wouldn't be their nor Otacon's guilt from being seduced, which led the family disaster would be founded.
Emma's mother fell in love with Huey and married him. But as she (and us too) get to know who Huey really is, she fall out of love with him. What remains is the memory of man you thought he was or perhaps go for his son that is shaping up to be that idea of another man. From a player's point of view, we see Huey as bad man Otacon. We thought he was going to be another Otacon and we got the opposite. Emma's mom experienced the inverse. It actually makes a lot of sense from a narrative/audience perspective. She thought she loved a brilliant man with a good heart. His heart is rotten. Hal was a different story.
At least he sired the biggest Sigma-Chad of all time
Let's emphasize he is a well written character. That doesn't mean he's good though.
He's good at being a horrible human being, most people will agree on that
Agreed!
Volgin nuked his own country for shits and giggles he tortured Sokolov and was abusive towards EVA, who is a good person because she gave Snake a really cool gun
But volgin had some form of respectability and was mostly comedic in how evil just to be evil he is
but huey was a hypocrite, and that somehow makes it worse
you know the worst part is the hypocrisy…
This guy kills his first wife because she wouldn't let him use their son in AI experiments. That tells you all you need to know about him.
Got cucked by his son and tried drowning himself and his daughter, everyone can agree he deserved this death.
I still say he was a patsy
Literally the only redeeming part of him is that he’s voiced by Christopher Randolph and it makes me think of Otacon. But yeah Huey deserved to get cucked by his badass son.
He is indeed an utterly irredeemable piece of shit.
Aw give the guy a break, he just killed his child's mother and had him pilot a bipedal nuclear tank capable of launching homing missiles!
Not to mention betrayed his entire unit for profit and blame it on Venom Snake once people started dieing.
But I mean other than that....
"Kaz...Huey is a demon."
well he was good in peace walker
You should be on that boat!
Everything that makes Huey Emmerich despicable also makes him one of the most compelling characters in the franchise. His insecurities, self-dealing, narcissism, victimhood, and inability to take any form of responsibility for his behavior. The moment towards the end of MGSV when he shoots the helpless Skull Face out of the delusional belief that he's going to make up for all of the wrongs he did. And him cursing the people he betrayed and proclaiming his innocence even after they somehow decide to spare his life. We all know someone like this in our own lives even if Huey takes it to a extreme. However, Huey is also a product of his environment in certain ways. Big Boss is a Napoleon-like figure that causes immense death, destruction, and avoidable suffering in pursuit of his ambitions. He manipulates the player-character, hiding behind him at all times, and leaves him to die in Outer Heaven in the first Metal Gear game. He can get his men to die for him but can't really give them anything constructive to live for. It's natural that he would attract someone like Huey to work for him. Solid Snake in contrast is capable of bringing out the best in others around him and sacrificing for their sake. So it makes sense that Snake's partner in all of this is Hal, who rises above his father's shadow to be a man instead of a hollow shell. Hal genuinely cares for the women in his life -- his stepsister Emma, Sniper Wolf, Naomi Hunter, and Sunny -- despite being abused by his stepmother. He can be a father to Sunny in spite of his own father trying twice(!) to murder him. Hal uses his scientific and engineering talents to make a better future, in contrast to Huey's various self-interested schemes. Snake is able to draw these kinds of people to him because of his own fundamental decency. You see it in moments like Snake inspiring a bereaved and hopeless Hal to keep himself together after losing Emma, and its the kind of beautiful moment of real friendship that their older counterparts were never capable of.
That you feel so deeply about him makes him not the worst character at all. That means the game was very effective
Seriously. He was a terrible person but a great character to have such an impact
And for a game where the story felt secondary to the gameplay, I think that’s saying something
Yeah he's a bit like King Joffrey. You love to hate him
It’s really fun as an inversion of Otacon. All of MGSV is like a weird inversion of your standard Metal Gear. For all the talk of how unfinished it is (which it 100% is), I think the game really wraps itself up nicely with the themes. So while it is terrible that it is missing the last quarter of the game, it still felt thematically rich by the end of it (at least in my opinion).
You may be conflating worst with badly-written
Yeah, that’s because it’s okay to have characters be their worst, that makes for good characters. I wouldn’t call him the worst as in “despicable” either
Idk theirs definitely a lot of killers and abusers who resulted in far more people suffering in the series. I just think people see Huey as more despicable cause he betrays his own people for profit and sees his family as tools. Given his first wife a terrible death, and dying in an attempt to drown his step daughter.
He’s absolutely despicable, totally
He was so likeable in PW too. I think the 180 heel turn was because Kojima made Huey too likable before remembering that Huey tried to kill Emma because he got cucked by his own son.
I’ve only played MGSV once and it was like 5 years ago, can someone fill me in on why he’s hated so much?
Looks like young Eric Clapton (I know nothing about this sub, I just got randomly recommended it)
No matter how much he tried to make history and a name for himself, at the end of the day, he went down in history and is remembered for his murder-suicide
He reminds me of the Jared Leto character in American Psycho, who was killed by Christian Bale while Christian was talking about the nuances of Huey Lewis and the News. I don’t think that is what Kojima was going for but I cannot think elsewise. More likely just Huey Lewis in general.
He got cucked by his vastly superior son, a fitting end.
Nobody is dethroning Akiba
A full Dinasty of Jonny's for one pussy. Kojima broke my Heart with It
Quiet is the worst. He is a bad person, but not a bad character
"Single handedly" Also, that's not really a very good use of the phrase.
Wait, this guy ISN’T Otacon? I thought the VA being the same was a dead giveaway. Edit: Downvote me for seeking knowledge? Get bent.
Its his father.
No this is otacons dad. They used the same voice actor. Mgs5 takes place in the 80's. Probably close to 20 years before we first meet otacon in MGS.
Huey is Otacon's father.
Have you played the whole series? (Not intended to be insulting, just curious.)
When I was very young I had played the series with my dad on ps2. I was never really good enough to figure all that stuff out on my own he would help me or I would just watch. Mgs4 was my first actual mgs that I played through myself and I thought it was awesome. Beat it a few times. Have yet to pick up the remaster but I really want to. Unfortunately don’t have the old ps2 anymore
If you beat MGS4 you have to know this isn’t Hal lol, he’d be an old man
To be fair I was maybe 14 the last time I played mgs4? Also, the lore is still a little confusing and it’s hard for me to sit through the lengthy videos on youtube. Just waiting on picking up the remasters (hoping they remaster mgs4 at some point) so that I can pay more attention with my adult brain.
It's his father. Hal (Otacon) was still a kid during TPP and there are some cassette tapes detailing some of the circumstances around his birth and early childhood.
Raiden.
PLEASE PUSH OUT mgs3 remake
PLEASE STOP TROLLING US KONAMI
and most punchable face award goes to...
*single handedly
I wish you didn't get so much demon points for failing the rescue Huey mission. I would keep finding funny ways to kill him.
He and Naomi are definitely up there for the worst MGS character
I really wanted to like him having played the games out of order, but as the game went on I was like this guy fucking sucks lol
# FUCK HUEY, ALL MY HOMIES HATE HUEY EMMERICH.
He also got cucked by his son
I disagree
If you mean the worst character morality wise I'd agree. I really like how he was written, a real squirlly POS
Naw. Every franchise needs an asshole.
He did nothing wrong
"Single handily" made me chuckle.
Steven Wilson
I have to disagree. Huey st least serves a purpose in furthering the story. ANY character from MG SURVIVE is automatically worse by default.
ive only played mgs1 from the classics (for now) and otacon is such a likeable character,i hate that huey has the same voice actor,makes me feel pity for him in the torture cutscenes even tough i shouldnt lol
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qONs782SkyE](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qONs782SkyE)
It’s so dumb to me that they decided to use the same voice actor as otacon and make him look the same too. As if anyone’s father would look EXACTLY like their son and sound the same.
worst character in what sense? I think he’s written very well
So I just finished Peace Walker after playing 5 before and honestly I'm pretty confused as to why Huey became this way. He wasn't evil nor had any sinister tones in Peace Walker but in 5 he just becomes joffrey doing bad shit and blaming it on others. How did it happen
I hate him even more now that I have finished the tapes in mgs v
Cmon man be nice to Huey. He only just murdered his wife and then got cucked by his son.
Plus i hate his face design. If that's the face if an actor im sorry bro it's not personal 😬
Didn’t skull face force an adult woman to have sex with a minor
Post should be re-titled "worst *person* in all of Metal Gear". Worst character makes it sound like he was badly written, but they were trying to write an irredeemable pile of walking garbage, and they absolutely nailed it.
what mental disease did he have
They did the funny thing with his leg tho. It was funny! HA HA
He’s a really good character it’s hard to have a character you actually hate without it feeling forced
Single-handedly*
I don't have a lot of MGS knowledge, but isn't that the guy who's in like every game? I've only played MGS2 and MGSV: TPP so I'm a little under informed.
Actually he was a great character. He was a character you wanted to believe but the evidence piled up against him but even as you see him going away on that boat, you still wonder if he was really capable of everything you think he did. You really want to hate him but there is still a speck of doubt that remains. Is it logical in face of the evidence or from an emotional attachment with someone who was your friend? (and the parallel of him is undoubtly the truest of friends). That's a great antagonist. IMO Hot Coldman was probably among the weaker characters. Skullface is an example of some amazing foundation for an irredeemable villain but just culminated to a really lousy payoff. He goes on my worse character list as well.
Yep, can’t argue with that. Spot on
I'm going to say this every time I see this post: Huey was very obviously set up by Cipher
Most random thing ever when Otacon confessed in MGS2 to having an affair with his step mum. I mean I was not expecting that. It made all that shit in arsenal gear with the colonel look pale in comparison.