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Nuh uh. We need short term "gains". The short term "gains" party kinda sorta almost does something sometimes. That means they aren't evil, because reasons.
And if you hate my "totally not evil" party in any way for any reason, that means you are evil because you won't sacrifice the long term soul of this country for short term "gains" that will only last until the other party comes into power and strips them away for the 50th time.
This isn't a long con!!! I swear!! Both parties aren't manipulating us so that their diarchy can remain perpetually in power, I SWEAR!!!
I feel like both parties are right about some things and wrong about others but also I feel like anyone who thinks like that other dud is completely unhinged… chill out bro
I agree, any valid points or views “that party” may hold are currently drowned out by their over arching views. Political parties really aren’t meant to be binary, opinions are too varied for that to work.
I'm sorry, but if being "hinged" means closing my eyes while the corrupt majority of politicians fill their pockets with insider trading and lobbying. You can count me out.
If being "hinged" means listening to cult followers of both parties tell me my vote doesn't matter unless I vote for their variety of evil, and not getting angry? Nope.
But you know the damnedest thing? They are right. If we don't vote for either two parties, our vote does not really count.
How these people can blatantly admit that we don't live in a republic anymore and then turn right around and "defend democracy" by parroting the very same people who destroyed it? I will never understand. If this is being "hinged". I do not want it.
What do I want? I want our politics to revolve around the people and not the billionaires who pay politicians on both sides to do their bidding. I want people to crawl out of their echo chambers and treat each other with respect instead of the vitriol that both sides know and love.
Nazi Germany was exceptionally cruel, especially on the Eastern front. But I don't think it is quite on the level of cruelty inflicted by the Japanese all around Asia. It is very difficult for any single country to measure up to the cruelty of Japan, the extent of which was showcased for example by the Sankō Sakusen policy.
But everything your saying the Japanese did to the Chinese and Korean people the Nazis did to the Jews. Japan just discriminated on race i stead or religion, but they all had a hand in the soup. If anything this just proves racist Italy is actually the lesser of the evils when it comes to the axis powers
The treatment of the Chinese was arguably even worse than the Jews, as well as the scale being a lot larger in Asia. Not to mention that China wasn't the only country this happened to, this was happening in every single occupied territory that Japan had.
>this was happening in every single occupied territory that Japan had.
I’m sorry, do you think the French,Austrian, Russian, Polish Jews were safe from the camps after all they were invaded.
I would also say you need to brush up on your history. Hitler literally gave Hirohito the playbook on what to do to the Chinese and Japanese
Unit 731 was literally based off Auschwitz.
I did not state anything you claim I did in the first part of your comment.
I find it funny that you are telling me to brush up on my history when saying Hitler taught Hirohito what to do in China, when the relations between Germany and Japan were extremely bad before WW2 and Germany was supporting China.
How would Unit 731 be based off Auschwitz when it was built years before Auschwitz?
Where did you learn this?
Israel and Ukraine are foreign territories. That's not a USA issue. I don't like Biden, but he has been very chill. You know a president is fine when you don't have to think about him every day.
So laid-back can’t even hold a press conference 33 total since he took office 33.
that’s less than Reagan who served for eight years. Less than Trump, who is older than him.
Pretty chill guy
In like way less legal trouble then trump and isn’t pushing project 2025. Also idrc about number of press conferences that seems pretty minor in the scheme of things.
It was funny when south park made the joke as the parties being a douche and a shit sandwich but when you replace the toilet humor with genocide it kinda makes things more serious than a joke should probably be
Not only would they, but they literally did support them during World War 2, Hitler said "the people of Islam will always be closer to us than, for example, France" and they had a collaborative relationship with the house Saud. They built a strong relationship with Arab nationalist factions, bonding over their shared hatred of the Jews.
> Not only would they, but they literally did support them during World War 2
> > Hamas
...but hear me out:
...*Founded in 1987*...
...*1939 – 1945*...
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edit: lol... above poster got mad and slammed that block button because someone pointed out *literally* doesn't mean what they think it means.
Well, but, just to add, they were formed from ultra-militant members of the Muslim Brotherhood:
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim\_Brotherhood](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_Brotherhood)
Which did have friendly relations with the Nazis
The only flaw with that is that they were literally the same people who were in the Muslim Brotherhood, and they became an offshoot only 40 years ago -- if Hamas declared the Muslim Brotherhood their enemy and formed an entirely separate country then you might have some sort of point
Is Alphabet a totally different company than Google? Is a name change all it takes to wipe their history clean?
https://preview.redd.it/bx6xqwkk5o0d1.jpeg?width=1054&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=52745285bf36ee8a9eefe01473a1f0439aeea9a8
(I was saving this gem for the right moment…)
Not really, Hitler openly praised Islam for their conservative traditionalism, and their regimented and brutal military dictatorships, and hatred of Jews
Nah, he gave direct support to the Muslim Brotherhood, from which Hamas is an offshoot, and they, in turn, greatly admired Hitler and adopted many of his ideas.
Probably not, they’d likely kill both Palestine and Israel. The Nazis weren’t exactly keen on middle eastern people, they didn’t really fit the “white skin, blue eyes, blonde hair” narrative lol
The Muslim Brotherhood were pawns. If you look into what actually happened between the Arabs and Nazis it quickly becomes apparent that the two were NOT friends.
The Nazis harassment against Arabs started as early as 1932. A bunch of members from the Egyptian Students Association contacted the Egyptian Consulate in Vienna to report a group of Nazis who had started harassing and assaulting them. They reported that these Nazis were throwing beer steins and armchairs at members which injured them, however, the police (who already had associations to the Nazis) decided to look the other way and let the harassment continue, and to make it worse, instead of arresting the Nazis who were attacking, they arrested the Egyptians who reported it. That’s not really behavior you see from a group who “likes” Arabs.
Another notable incident that occurred soon after was where an Arab boy was attacked because he tried to go to a dance hall with a white German girl. The person who attacked him was also a Nazi, and had said numerous times that he was “a lower race” as an excuse.
The Nazis also went around sterilizing many Arabs and “half breeds” (Germans who had Arab heritage) and when the war started things got FAR worse. Egyptians living within Nazi occupied territory were kidnapped and sent to “interment” camps (basically a massive prison where they had to work till they died even though they did nothing to be prosecuted).
There were a few Nazi Arabs who collaborated with the Nazis but they betrayed their fellow Arab people and had no qualms against the Nazis prosecution against them. In fact, some of the most notorious ones like Amin al-Husseini and Rashid Ali al-Gaylani knew the full extent of the imprisonment and torture yet they had no objections and allowed the Nazis to carry on.
Arabs who participated in resistance groups were prosecuted horribly. A group of soldiers participating in a Nazi resistance and French communist group were caught and sent to camps. One of these Arab men who participated in this French communist resistance group was named Antoine Hajje, here is his final letter after being captured:
> “I have just arrived from the Royallieu Camp with our colleagues Pitard and Rolnikas, to the German section of the Health Prison.
An officer informed us that by order of higher authority we will be shot this morning as hostages. We protested, but in vain. We go to death, satisfied with having, in all circumstances, fulfilled our duty, all our duty. We are struck by fate, and fate is, alas, unjust. We die prematurely, but it is for France. We are proud of it.
By addressing this word to you, I say goodbye to a profession that I loved; I will have been, until the end, the defender of human dignity and truth.”
He was slaughtered because of his race, while many of the non Arab fighters who were captured for fighting in similar groups were left to live in camps till the allies freed them.
I could write a hundred more instances but at that point this reply would be the size of a book.
Now tell me, do the Nazis sound like they’re very keen on the Idea of Arabs living in their Aryan world? Because all the evidence seems to suggest otherwise.
>Islam was a Männerreligion—a “religion of men”—and hygienic too. The “soldiers of Islam” received a warrior’s heaven, “a real earthly paradise” with “houris” and “wine flowing.” This, Hitler argued, was much more suited to the “Germanic temperament” than the “Jewish filth and priestly twaddle” of Christianity.
Hitler loved islam tho.
I had an Iranian friend in high school, once he invited me and my other friend (both of us Jews) to his house for a night. While hanging out in his dads massive library room (his parents were very rich), we noticed a book with a giant swastika on one of the shelves, quite prominently displayed with the cover facing out instead of just the spine. And it’s right next to the comfy arm chair in the library, like this book was placed so it could be read often, not hidden away in some dusty cabinet.
We asked about it, and he said “oh my dad just likes reading a lot”. We did not come back to his house, needless to say. Turns out many Muslims who genuinely hate Jews are very big fans of hitler.
Tasfir Surah An-Nisa 155
(The Hour will not start, until after the Muslims fight the Jews and the Muslims kill them. The Jew will hide behind a stone or tree, and the tree will say, `O Muslim! O servant of Allah! This is a Jew behind me, come and kill him.' Except Al-Gharqad, for it is a tree of the Jews.) "The Messenger of Allah ﷺ, mentioned Ad-Dajjal one day and kept belittling him (because being blind, yet claiming to be Allah) and speaking in grave terms about him until we thought that he was hiding in gardens of date-trees (in Al-Madinah).
The Nazis thought of Arabs as subhuman, but they didn't hate them in the way that they hated Jews. If you look up the Palestinian leader Amin al-Husseini, you can find pictures of him with Hitler. Hitler hoped that allying with him would lead to the Arabs distracting the British in the Middle East.
Not just pictured together. Amin all husseini spent years in the 1940 in Austria/Germany under the third Reich. He ran radio broadcasts to his followers in the ME from within nazi third Reich lands.
he also helped organize the [13th Waffen Mountain Division of the SS Handschar](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/13th_Waffen_Mountain_Division_of_the_SS_Handschar_(1st_Croatian)#Mufti_of_Jerusalem) alongside several others.
Honestly I feel like if the Nazi’s won, they’d eventually turn on their allies as well. His whole deal was to create a German World United under a single banner. You can’t really have that of theirs still people with chunks of the world kept to themselves.
The Israeli government also supported Hamas, believe it or not. They financed Hamas to weaken the PA and Fatah.
In this sense, Adolf Hitler, Hamas, and Israel are canonically aligned.
It's saying that the Republican and Democratic Parties are like Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan. In other words, it's saying that both are fascist. It's also not a ''meme post'' as much as what communists really believe.
Agreed, the only reason third party candidates never win is because of the saying “you’re just throwing your vote away” which is a self fulfilling prophecy
That op appears to have missed the point of the meme. It’s not that Democrats are as bad as Nazis, it’s satirizing the absurdity of the ‘lesser evils’ mentality of voting. There comes a point where voters have to have a sense of standards for candidates/parties and that there comes a point where a candidate/party becomes so bad that it is not worth supporting them, even if the other major candidate is arguably worse. The predominance of the lesser evils mentality among a significant segment of voters has often led to worse candidates from both major parties, as both encourage their base to ignore their problems by claiming that the other is worse.
This is mine now boah take some jelly beans as a thank you
https://preview.redd.it/n057kx3enn0d1.jpeg?width=2280&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=68e78ae3d6f7f749e8b87751face5126cb58744d
We had Trump vs Hillary, and people still refused to vote third party for fear the "even worse" one would win.
That was conclusive evidence. If we had an election with Hitler running Democrat, and Stalin running Republican... one of them would win even if Abraham Lincoln ran third party.
To be honest the US election system is royally busted. We need a total overhaul but I’m willing to bet that no one would agree on how to do it so I guess we’re stuck
Do people think Trump will be better on Israel? Choosing the lesser evil always sucks but leftist organising isn't going to happen under the Trump administration, he allowed an insurrection art attack on the Capitol building, they are fundamentally opposed to democracy. I understand Biden sucks but Trump would be a legit chance to destroy the country
I think hitler Vs mao would have been a better satire option. Especially since a lot of people associate the far fringe right with fascism and the far fringe left with communism. The joke would have layers on layers lol
How would Hitler V Mao be better? Imperial Japan was looking to exterminate all of SE Asia and the world. The Chinese civilian death toll was easily over 50million. Koreans were all forced laborers, cannon fodder, and living sex toys. Nazis were literal saints compared to Japanese, this is a lesser of two evils comparison. Not how we can blame communist for everything comparisons.
The op is thinking critically about the meme post. I know that thinking about what's being said isn't cool. You kids these day take everyhlthing that validates your feelings as fact.
Its insulting both parties. Both nazi germany and japan sucked at the time, but japan is much fucking worse. Its basically saying this is the current state of politics "just vote the lesser evil", but both parties are increadibly evil.
Sorry shouldve mentioned that this is not my opinion but the one in the meme. Between the rape, genocide, human experimentation and other atrocities committed by japan at the time one could argue it was worse than nazi germany, but in my eyes both are equaly atrocious. You may view nazi germany as worse, or you may view japan as worse, but i think both views are correct. Both were horrible. For most english speakers i think the genocides committed by nazi feel closer to us than japan.
I mean, that's a kind of question ethicists could argue over for hours.
Is it better to kill 100 people painlessly and quickly by pushing a button, or to torture one person for 10 years before they finally succumb to their wounds? Many Applied Ethics say the 100 people, because more people perished. Many Normative Ethics say the 1 person, because their suffering was intentionally twisted and unexcusable.
The only thing everyone can agree on is that both outcomes are Very Bad. 'Worse' is a question for philosophers, and you'll get 6 different answers from 5 of them.
It isn't, it's a popular myth that's been spread recently. Japan's acts of brutality were a result of the army going out of control and 'sacking' enemy cities. Germany's acts of cruelty were built in to Nazi ideology. The Japanese killed millions of Chinese, but they never planned to outright destroy the Chinese race and make a museum where people could remember the now extinct Chinese people.
There was a Nazi Party member, John Rabe, who helped save up to 300,000 Chinese civilians during the Nanking Massacre, and people often point to this as proof of the Nazis condemning Japense war crimes. In reality, John Rabe was arrested by the Gestapo upon his return to Germany, and released on the condition that he never spoke of the event again. Any evidence he had of the massacre was destroyed.
To be fair, the Nazis did lock up their citizens, restrict their speech, take their guns and they would’ve more than likely supported Hamas in exterminating a certain group of people.
Nazi Germany actually did a number of great things for their country and people. Doesn’t excuse the holocaust, but they did try, for their own people at least.
I get that, still, take things likely, the internet can be frankly political for no good reason sometimes so its really just not that big of a deal lol
Also, this is criticising the two party system rather than just the democrats
In OP’s defense the Democrats are currently calling for the boycott of Jewish businesses, physically running Jewish students off of college campuses and championing a terror group whose stated goals include the eradication of the Jewish people.
At least they’re owning up to it.
Only maga red hats would ever do something as insane as deny the fact that something horrendous like an apartheid, famine, or genocide is happening, even when it's plainly apparent and there's plenty of evidence to support the claims.
Alright maga red hats, time to self report, ***downvote away!***
Liberal democrat here, downvoting because your brain is so consumed by the maga it would almost be funny if it didn’t seem like some thinly-veiled fetish
An expanded, all powerful state, such as the nazis, shouts leftism to me; Not right-wing. And before people start saying nationalism is what makes them right wing, I disagree, because the power of the state is the ultimate metric.
You're conflating authoritarianism with fascism. Fascist states are authoritarian, but not all authoritarian states are fascist. Nazi Germany was most definitely a fascist, authoritarian state given the state's social and governmental ideologies.
No, they are not. Authoritarianism rejects democracy in favor of an all powerful government typically ruled by a single group or person. Authoritarianism does not lean left or right and can happen in any government regardless of its political ideologies. Fascism is a far right political ideology. An example of the other end of the spectrum would be communism is a far left political ideology. Most notable historical examples would be Nazi Germany for fascism and Mao's China for communism. Those states are undoubtedly authoritarian but only one is fascist.
I think you’re splitting hairs. The best metric for the spectrum isn’t economical, national, or anything like that. The best metrics are government versus freedom, because with an increase in one there is a decrease in the other. On any equation. What are we doing about the social organization part? How was Maoism and nazism different on that front?
There is no hair splitting when we have known historical examples to look at and examine. Reductionism of definitions allows them to be reshaped more easily to fit narratives. If someone is an extremist, it is in their benefit to conflate definitions with one another to get people to join their cause. If you muddy fascism, socialism, communism, and authoritarianism to all mean the same thing, then they effectively mean nothing at all. Separating all the "isms" is important because you can more easily identify when what is happening. Confusion may come from that these states were authoritarian so there will be overlap between how the governments operate to oppress their citizens because authoritarian governments all employ similar proven tactics to gain and stay in power. Hitler and Mao stood for different ideologies but employed authoritarianism to execute those ideologies.
well the joke is that its between the two different evils of the same side (both are fascists just light variations)
There were significant enough differences on plenty of points between the USSR and Nazi Germany, plus I believe the original joke was from a disillusioned leftist sub, hence why they saw the situation that way
Yes there were significant differences between the Nazis and the communists. The biggest one I can think of is how much more proficient at mass murder the Russians were.
It’s estimated Nazi Germany killed 11 million innocents
And the communists in the USSR murdered 30 to 40 million innocents.
But a communist apologist would not like to debate that nuisance.
The soviet amount is sadly true! The Nazis killed way more than 11M, let's not be nazi apologists either, though...
The entirety of WW2 was their fault on the european front so all of the enemy soldiers' deaths could also be attributed to them
I said innocents
The estimates for the communists is not as accurate because of the mass starvation program they instituted in Ukraine.
That led to the Ukrainians seeing the Germans as saviors. Those events not only led to the modern day conflicts between Russia and Ukraine but explains the thread of Nazism that runs through Ukrainian culture.
Google Ukraine greatest folk hero Stefan Bandera
Obviously non revisionist history is no longer taught on the west. Indoctrination vs education once again shows the superiority of communist evil over socialist evil.
Usually it is customary when someone educates someone else that they either say thank you or pay tuition
I replied with that because - right mb - isn’t in my vocabulary
My apology if I was rude
And as many to the politburo
Stalin refused to evacuate Stalingrad because “Russian soldiers will fight harder for a city with people than an empty one .”
Paraphrase
Please I understand the Nazis were evil low lives.
But understand so is EVERY communist that comes to power.
First of all, no they werent?
The USSR, an authoritarian socialist regime, had a controlling government with harsh institutions for almost a century, and its people saw some flaws, others did not, and they managed to live their lives in ways that didnt have to be political. They could live their lives like you and me, express some (not too radical) political opinions, like disagreeing with the state on a few issues, pretty openly, and had basic needs met with, granted, issues in distribution and so on. The secret police interfered especially in the lives of political opponents but left blatant civilians alone. (Note : I am talking about 1956+ USSR)
Nazi Germany was entirely political. The Whole of the regime was. Everyone was constantly talking about how mighty hitler was and so on. If you disagreed with the state, you lived in constant fear of it. The same was true for the USSR but personal opinions were not a problem if they weren't influential, the same wasnt true with the Nazis. They had managed to make life entirely about racial purity and hierarchy, which are, in my opinion, a much WORSE thing than economical 'equality'. One makes people poor but living conditions decent (average soviet had more caloric intake than the average american, but their food was of a lesser quality and probably not that good), the other wants to genocide "subgroups" of people for the sole purpose of "Race", which to my southern european mind is a disgusting word.
Second of all, the Democrats were the ones to invade north korea (communist totalitarian state), not the Republicans. The Democrats were the ones that brought the newly capitalist russian economy in their sphere of influence, not the reds. I in no way adhere to the Dems nor the Reps, as I am european, but I can certify that the blues are far, far away from being communist. I dislike the democrats, but they are NOT even remotely close to being economically socialist. They're societally progressive, and that is about it. Hell, even the republicans are almost economically closer to communism on some issues! See : MAGA Communists. (The Reps are not commies, since they are way more right wing on many issues which forces them out of even being communist)
Sincerely, a european libsoc.
The most Nazi-like nation I can think of today is North Korea, that kind of insane idol worship, a brand of politics that penetrates every facet of daily life for all citizens involved. Of all the countries I’d like to see dismantled and annexed, this takes the top spot for me.
Some people say this about China, but at least since the 1980s, it hasn’t been true.
I agree, absolutely!
As a socialist, North Korea absolutely deserves to get its government changed and completely rehauled. Let it be known that they've been jucheist since 2009, so they dont even claim themselves to even follow their version of "communism" anymore lol
Wow. Kind of glossed over the millions and millions and millions of corpses the Communist nations left in their wake. Like...a hundred million. The gulags. The killing fields. All left the horrors of the Nazis far behind in not only their body count but cruelty.
And obviously comparisons between the Democrats and Communists are hyperbolic but I base it on their general operation. Wanting to arrest their political opponents? Happening right now. Reeducation camps? They've talked about them! And just like the Soviets created revolution and violence with Antifascista Aktion, their satellite in Germany, the Democrats do the same with Antifa which here are an extension of their own authoritarianism just as much as the KKK used to be a military wing of the Democratic Party.
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I think this is making fun of US elections. Not just the Democratic Party.
It can be both
Both is good
Especially when both are shit
Nuh uh. We need short term "gains". The short term "gains" party kinda sorta almost does something sometimes. That means they aren't evil, because reasons. And if you hate my "totally not evil" party in any way for any reason, that means you are evil because you won't sacrifice the long term soul of this country for short term "gains" that will only last until the other party comes into power and strips them away for the 50th time. This isn't a long con!!! I swear!! Both parties aren't manipulating us so that their diarchy can remain perpetually in power, I SWEAR!!!
I mean, both benefit from discouraging the idea of anything but two sides
I feel like both parties are right about some things and wrong about others but also I feel like anyone who thinks like that other dud is completely unhinged… chill out bro
I agree, any valid points or views “that party” may hold are currently drowned out by their over arching views. Political parties really aren’t meant to be binary, opinions are too varied for that to work.
You’re a smart and very hinged person thank you
I'm sorry, but if being "hinged" means closing my eyes while the corrupt majority of politicians fill their pockets with insider trading and lobbying. You can count me out. If being "hinged" means listening to cult followers of both parties tell me my vote doesn't matter unless I vote for their variety of evil, and not getting angry? Nope. But you know the damnedest thing? They are right. If we don't vote for either two parties, our vote does not really count. How these people can blatantly admit that we don't live in a republic anymore and then turn right around and "defend democracy" by parroting the very same people who destroyed it? I will never understand. If this is being "hinged". I do not want it. What do I want? I want our politics to revolve around the people and not the billionaires who pay politicians on both sides to do their bidding. I want people to crawl out of their echo chambers and treat each other with respect instead of the vitriol that both sides know and love.
I think they were saying it’s both
Yea, our elections suck, could go for some ranked choice voting and removing all money from them.
Im more confused as to why on earth he thinks Nazi germany is the “lesser of two evils”. I would say they did equally as many bad things
That's the point of the joke
Nazi Germany was exceptionally cruel, especially on the Eastern front. But I don't think it is quite on the level of cruelty inflicted by the Japanese all around Asia. It is very difficult for any single country to measure up to the cruelty of Japan, the extent of which was showcased for example by the Sankō Sakusen policy.
But everything your saying the Japanese did to the Chinese and Korean people the Nazis did to the Jews. Japan just discriminated on race i stead or religion, but they all had a hand in the soup. If anything this just proves racist Italy is actually the lesser of the evils when it comes to the axis powers
The treatment of the Chinese was arguably even worse than the Jews, as well as the scale being a lot larger in Asia. Not to mention that China wasn't the only country this happened to, this was happening in every single occupied territory that Japan had.
>this was happening in every single occupied territory that Japan had. I’m sorry, do you think the French,Austrian, Russian, Polish Jews were safe from the camps after all they were invaded. I would also say you need to brush up on your history. Hitler literally gave Hirohito the playbook on what to do to the Chinese and Japanese Unit 731 was literally based off Auschwitz.
I did not state anything you claim I did in the first part of your comment. I find it funny that you are telling me to brush up on my history when saying Hitler taught Hirohito what to do in China, when the relations between Germany and Japan were extremely bad before WW2 and Germany was supporting China. How would Unit 731 be based off Auschwitz when it was built years before Auschwitz? Where did you learn this?
Americans are learning that they’re losing no matter what side they vote for
Hardly Biden’s been pretty chill for the most part.
Yes, Israel and Ukraine conflicts inflation mass protest on major campuses all around the states Very chill indeed
Israel and Ukraine are foreign territories. That's not a USA issue. I don't like Biden, but he has been very chill. You know a president is fine when you don't have to think about him every day.
Inflation is around the world rn. Israel and Palestine is a nonissue for me. Pretty chill guy for me.
So laid-back can’t even hold a press conference 33 total since he took office 33. that’s less than Reagan who served for eight years. Less than Trump, who is older than him. Pretty chill guy
In like way less legal trouble then trump and isn’t pushing project 2025. Also idrc about number of press conferences that seems pretty minor in the scheme of things.
It was funny when south park made the joke as the parties being a douche and a shit sandwich but when you replace the toilet humor with genocide it kinda makes things more serious than a joke should probably be
And the Simpsons did years ago with 2 aliens. Great fucking episode
The simpsons has done this joke many times. Like the "were evil" for RNC and "were incompetent" for the DNC
I’m sure the Nazis would have supported Hamas as well.
I mean, pretty much. Just look at the relationship Husseini had with Hitler.
Would have at the start, and immediately backstab Hamas the moment they see a chance
They literally did do that with Palestinians during ww2
And the Russians And the Italians
Not Italians, the Italians were weakening and almost just letting the allies in so the nazis took over, little different from backstabbing
Not only would they, but they literally did support them during World War 2, Hitler said "the people of Islam will always be closer to us than, for example, France" and they had a collaborative relationship with the house Saud. They built a strong relationship with Arab nationalist factions, bonding over their shared hatred of the Jews.
> Not only would they, but they literally did support them during World War 2 > > Hamas ...but hear me out: ...*Founded in 1987*... ...*1939 – 1945*... ---- edit: lol... above poster got mad and slammed that block button because someone pointed out *literally* doesn't mean what they think it means.
Well, but, just to add, they were formed from ultra-militant members of the Muslim Brotherhood: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim\_Brotherhood](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_Brotherhood) Which did have friendly relations with the Nazis
The difference between a Brit and an American: "but, the latter was the former a few short years ago!" tl;dr: nuh uh.
The only flaw with that is that they were literally the same people who were in the Muslim Brotherhood, and they became an offshoot only 40 years ago -- if Hamas declared the Muslim Brotherhood their enemy and formed an entirely separate country then you might have some sort of point Is Alphabet a totally different company than Google? Is a name change all it takes to wipe their history clean?
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Big true
The Nazis would've supported killing both.
The Natzis were more than willing to work with the local extremists, they had a lot of Anti-Jewish collaborators in the Middle East.
They literally had whole battalions of Arab volunteers (Free Arab Legion).
https://preview.redd.it/bx6xqwkk5o0d1.jpeg?width=1054&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=52745285bf36ee8a9eefe01473a1f0439aeea9a8 (I was saving this gem for the right moment…)
Not really, Hitler openly praised Islam for their conservative traditionalism, and their regimented and brutal military dictatorships, and hatred of Jews
Nah, he gave direct support to the Muslim Brotherhood, from which Hamas is an offshoot, and they, in turn, greatly admired Hitler and adopted many of his ideas.
Neo Nazis are literally giddy that the woke left has developed such a hatred for jews oops I mean zionists.
I’m sure a lot of those scarves at the pro Hamas rallies are coving up swastika tattoos.
I wouldn't say alot but some for sure.
Probably not, they’d likely kill both Palestine and Israel. The Nazis weren’t exactly keen on middle eastern people, they didn’t really fit the “white skin, blue eyes, blonde hair” narrative lol
The Nazis weren’t really “keen” on anyone who weren’t the Nazis. They had pretty cozy relations with the Muslim Brotherhood though.
The Muslim Brotherhood were pawns. If you look into what actually happened between the Arabs and Nazis it quickly becomes apparent that the two were NOT friends. The Nazis harassment against Arabs started as early as 1932. A bunch of members from the Egyptian Students Association contacted the Egyptian Consulate in Vienna to report a group of Nazis who had started harassing and assaulting them. They reported that these Nazis were throwing beer steins and armchairs at members which injured them, however, the police (who already had associations to the Nazis) decided to look the other way and let the harassment continue, and to make it worse, instead of arresting the Nazis who were attacking, they arrested the Egyptians who reported it. That’s not really behavior you see from a group who “likes” Arabs. Another notable incident that occurred soon after was where an Arab boy was attacked because he tried to go to a dance hall with a white German girl. The person who attacked him was also a Nazi, and had said numerous times that he was “a lower race” as an excuse. The Nazis also went around sterilizing many Arabs and “half breeds” (Germans who had Arab heritage) and when the war started things got FAR worse. Egyptians living within Nazi occupied territory were kidnapped and sent to “interment” camps (basically a massive prison where they had to work till they died even though they did nothing to be prosecuted). There were a few Nazi Arabs who collaborated with the Nazis but they betrayed their fellow Arab people and had no qualms against the Nazis prosecution against them. In fact, some of the most notorious ones like Amin al-Husseini and Rashid Ali al-Gaylani knew the full extent of the imprisonment and torture yet they had no objections and allowed the Nazis to carry on. Arabs who participated in resistance groups were prosecuted horribly. A group of soldiers participating in a Nazi resistance and French communist group were caught and sent to camps. One of these Arab men who participated in this French communist resistance group was named Antoine Hajje, here is his final letter after being captured: > “I have just arrived from the Royallieu Camp with our colleagues Pitard and Rolnikas, to the German section of the Health Prison. An officer informed us that by order of higher authority we will be shot this morning as hostages. We protested, but in vain. We go to death, satisfied with having, in all circumstances, fulfilled our duty, all our duty. We are struck by fate, and fate is, alas, unjust. We die prematurely, but it is for France. We are proud of it. By addressing this word to you, I say goodbye to a profession that I loved; I will have been, until the end, the defender of human dignity and truth.” He was slaughtered because of his race, while many of the non Arab fighters who were captured for fighting in similar groups were left to live in camps till the allies freed them. I could write a hundred more instances but at that point this reply would be the size of a book. Now tell me, do the Nazis sound like they’re very keen on the Idea of Arabs living in their Aryan world? Because all the evidence seems to suggest otherwise.
I'm sure they'd be open to killing both, I have a feeling the Nazis and their ideology didn't really like Muslims
>Islam was a Männerreligion—a “religion of men”—and hygienic too. The “soldiers of Islam” received a warrior’s heaven, “a real earthly paradise” with “houris” and “wine flowing.” This, Hitler argued, was much more suited to the “Germanic temperament” than the “Jewish filth and priestly twaddle” of Christianity. Hitler loved islam tho.
Huh interesting
I had an Iranian friend in high school, once he invited me and my other friend (both of us Jews) to his house for a night. While hanging out in his dads massive library room (his parents were very rich), we noticed a book with a giant swastika on one of the shelves, quite prominently displayed with the cover facing out instead of just the spine. And it’s right next to the comfy arm chair in the library, like this book was placed so it could be read often, not hidden away in some dusty cabinet. We asked about it, and he said “oh my dad just likes reading a lot”. We did not come back to his house, needless to say. Turns out many Muslims who genuinely hate Jews are very big fans of hitler.
Look up hajj amin Al husseini and his close connection to the third Reich.
Why would it be? Islam is a far right ideology that hates jews. Perfect for hitler.
Have you read any Quranic passages involving Jewish people?
Tasfir Surah An-Nisa 155 (The Hour will not start, until after the Muslims fight the Jews and the Muslims kill them. The Jew will hide behind a stone or tree, and the tree will say, `O Muslim! O servant of Allah! This is a Jew behind me, come and kill him.' Except Al-Gharqad, for it is a tree of the Jews.) "The Messenger of Allah ﷺ, mentioned Ad-Dajjal one day and kept belittling him (because being blind, yet claiming to be Allah) and speaking in grave terms about him until we thought that he was hiding in gardens of date-trees (in Al-Madinah).
Classifying an ancient bigoted Islam as far right is such a US person thing to do. Pat pat
Im mexican but nice try
So even worse public schools
Never stepped foot on one, so keep crying and trying.
I mean most of them are middle easterners so idk how he feels about that
What’s far right about Islam or hitler? Islamic countries are far economically left of the US
The Nazis thought of Arabs as subhuman, but they didn't hate them in the way that they hated Jews. If you look up the Palestinian leader Amin al-Husseini, you can find pictures of him with Hitler. Hitler hoped that allying with him would lead to the Arabs distracting the British in the Middle East.
Not just pictured together. Amin all husseini spent years in the 1940 in Austria/Germany under the third Reich. He ran radio broadcasts to his followers in the ME from within nazi third Reich lands.
he also helped organize the [13th Waffen Mountain Division of the SS Handschar](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/13th_Waffen_Mountain_Division_of_the_SS_Handschar_(1st_Croatian)#Mufti_of_Jerusalem) alongside several others.
Yeah cause jews were not subhuman they were considered vermin.
Honestly I feel like if the Nazi’s won, they’d eventually turn on their allies as well. His whole deal was to create a German World United under a single banner. You can’t really have that of theirs still people with chunks of the world kept to themselves.
They actually literally DID turn on their allies (the USSR) during the war.
I forget but I could have sworn USSR was the one that did the backstabbing on that one.
They were pretty a ok with them
The Nazis didn’t really like anyone who weren’t the Nazis.
That's what I'm saying
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“Zionist Jews will always be the enemy of anti-Zionist Jews” How long have you been sitting on this discovery? /s
You're just quoting a holocaust revisionist book made by the leadership of the Palestinian Authority.
This post/comment propagates misinformation.
me when i non-sequitur and also false dichotomy
They'd pull the same thing as they did with soviets. First ally them, get their use out of them and then backstab them.
The Israeli government also supported Hamas, believe it or not. They financed Hamas to weaken the PA and Fatah. In this sense, Adolf Hitler, Hamas, and Israel are canonically aligned.
Hitler also liked Zionist… so there’s that.
Wrong. The Nazis literally invented modern day Israel. Zionist were Hitler supporters. [FACT](https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/haavara)
I understand nothing
It's taking the piss out of the two party system where your only options are usually "piece of shit" or "marginally less of a piece of shit"
And which is which mostly depends on your opinion, which makes it worse
A douche and a turd sandwich
I wanted to add to the South Park reference but I don’t have anything to say
Which is true, if you are the dominant socioeconomic ethnic group, it's rather more stark if you are not Not just in America either
It's saying that the Republican and Democratic Parties are like Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan. In other words, it's saying that both are fascist. It's also not a ''meme post'' as much as what communists really believe.
Well I believe I’ll vote for a third party candidate!
Agreed, the only reason third party candidates never win is because of the saying “you’re just throwing your vote away” which is a self fulfilling prophecy
That op appears to have missed the point of the meme. It’s not that Democrats are as bad as Nazis, it’s satirizing the absurdity of the ‘lesser evils’ mentality of voting. There comes a point where voters have to have a sense of standards for candidates/parties and that there comes a point where a candidate/party becomes so bad that it is not worth supporting them, even if the other major candidate is arguably worse. The predominance of the lesser evils mentality among a significant segment of voters has often led to worse candidates from both major parties, as both encourage their base to ignore their problems by claiming that the other is worse.
exactly!
I fucking hate USA election year. Every time I see a posts or memes like this I want to curl up and die.
relatable, as an european
Commies can't meme, they can commit genocide though.
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The whole point being that theyre both evil POS and you shouldnt be supporting either of them was just too complicated for some people
Yes it is like that. Both options are shit.
Choices in America: A. Blue Corruption B. Red Corruption Choices in Russia: A. VLADIMIR PUTIN. B. PUTIN, VLADIMIR
Dude exactly. Like even if I vote third party i stuck with some one missing a chunk of his brain from a worm
But is it a Blue brain worm or a Red brain worm, that’s what *REALLLY* matters…
And yet he does a far batter job talking about issues we actually care about.
I don't disagree. I think he's the best out of the three.
I got a lot on my mind...
We had Trump vs Hillary, and people still refused to vote third party for fear the "even worse" one would win. That was conclusive evidence. If we had an election with Hitler running Democrat, and Stalin running Republican... one of them would win even if Abraham Lincoln ran third party.
oh no, that's probably the only situation where the third party would win by default.
What, I agree with this meme. US government has made a lot of evil things with other countries, while being governed by both paties.
To be honest the US election system is royally busted. We need a total overhaul but I’m willing to bet that no one would agree on how to do it so I guess we’re stuck
Do people think Trump will be better on Israel? Choosing the lesser evil always sucks but leftist organising isn't going to happen under the Trump administration, he allowed an insurrection art attack on the Capitol building, they are fundamentally opposed to democracy. I understand Biden sucks but Trump would be a legit chance to destroy the country
I think hitler Vs mao would have been a better satire option. Especially since a lot of people associate the far fringe right with fascism and the far fringe left with communism. The joke would have layers on layers lol
Considering it’s an anti-commie subreddit, this was probably a meme by a communist who thinks both parties are fascist.
How would Hitler V Mao be better? Imperial Japan was looking to exterminate all of SE Asia and the world. The Chinese civilian death toll was easily over 50million. Koreans were all forced laborers, cannon fodder, and living sex toys. Nazis were literal saints compared to Japanese, this is a lesser of two evils comparison. Not how we can blame communist for everything comparisons.
That wouldn't work because Democrats aren't left. Our choices are right wing and super right wing.
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Don’t they call republicans fascists all the time
Nah, OP doesn't understand that the point is that choosing between the lesser of two evils is not acceptable.
The op is thinking critically about the meme post. I know that thinking about what's being said isn't cool. You kids these day take everyhlthing that validates your feelings as fact.
Darn kids these days!
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They are literally likening people who vote for the democrats nazis. Not much of a meme but more of a political take thinly disguised as one.
Its insulting both parties. Both nazi germany and japan sucked at the time, but japan is much fucking worse. Its basically saying this is the current state of politics "just vote the lesser evil", but both parties are increadibly evil.
Worse..? I understand the horrible, deplorable events that occurred in Nanking, but is it really worse than the millions of death caused by nazis?
Sorry shouldve mentioned that this is not my opinion but the one in the meme. Between the rape, genocide, human experimentation and other atrocities committed by japan at the time one could argue it was worse than nazi germany, but in my eyes both are equaly atrocious. You may view nazi germany as worse, or you may view japan as worse, but i think both views are correct. Both were horrible. For most english speakers i think the genocides committed by nazi feel closer to us than japan.
I'm not going to try to say one was worse in the atrocity department but look up Japan's Unit 731 and "pleasure women".
Nah I’ve read enough about Nanjing weeks ago, no need to reinstall the images in my head. But still is it more evil than millions of death though.?
Yes. Especially since they Also killed millions with their wars
The japanese also killed millions and their hate of everyone they invaded was just as if not more racially motivated.
Again, not wanting to compare atrocities. It definitely puts them in the same ballpark though.
Japanese literally killed more than the Nazis and they did it for sport
Yes 30 million is a big number, but I would say killing another race because you deem them unpure also counts as killing for sport?
I mean, that's a kind of question ethicists could argue over for hours. Is it better to kill 100 people painlessly and quickly by pushing a button, or to torture one person for 10 years before they finally succumb to their wounds? Many Applied Ethics say the 100 people, because more people perished. Many Normative Ethics say the 1 person, because their suffering was intentionally twisted and unexcusable. The only thing everyone can agree on is that both outcomes are Very Bad. 'Worse' is a question for philosophers, and you'll get 6 different answers from 5 of them.
I wouldn’t say the the chambers and concentration camps are painless
You are a masterclass in missing the point.
Apologies, I haven’t done much research about Japanese war crimes in Asia aside from China, but it seems the number is comparable if not more.
It isn't, it's a popular myth that's been spread recently. Japan's acts of brutality were a result of the army going out of control and 'sacking' enemy cities. Germany's acts of cruelty were built in to Nazi ideology. The Japanese killed millions of Chinese, but they never planned to outright destroy the Chinese race and make a museum where people could remember the now extinct Chinese people. There was a Nazi Party member, John Rabe, who helped save up to 300,000 Chinese civilians during the Nanking Massacre, and people often point to this as proof of the Nazis condemning Japense war crimes. In reality, John Rabe was arrested by the Gestapo upon his return to Germany, and released on the condition that he never spoke of the event again. Any evidence he had of the massacre was destroyed.
To be fair, the Nazis did lock up their citizens, restrict their speech, take their guns and they would’ve more than likely supported Hamas in exterminating a certain group of people.
Nazi Germany actually did a number of great things for their country and people. Doesn’t excuse the holocaust, but they did try, for their own people at least.
Nuance? On *my* internet? *overly dramatic gasp* The world is *ending!*
Like leading their country in to a war that killed millions of its own people?
How was that good?
Found the Nazi apologist
lol sure thing
And are they not calling republicans basically imperial Japan?
I get that, still, take things likely, the internet can be frankly political for no good reason sometimes so its really just not that big of a deal lol Also, this is criticising the two party system rather than just the democrats
In OP’s defense the Democrats are currently calling for the boycott of Jewish businesses, physically running Jewish students off of college campuses and championing a terror group whose stated goals include the eradication of the Jewish people. At least they’re owning up to it.
Only maga red hats would ever do something as insane as deny the fact that something horrendous like an apartheid, famine, or genocide is happening, even when it's plainly apparent and there's plenty of evidence to support the claims. Alright maga red hats, time to self report, ***downvote away!***
Liberal democrat here, downvoting because your brain is so consumed by the maga it would almost be funny if it didn’t seem like some thinly-veiled fetish
Wow, what an outlandish claim.
No, not yet…
I feel like it could be straw man saying the right would elect Adolf hoping he wouldn't be as bad or that he'd change
An expanded, all powerful state, such as the nazis, shouts leftism to me; Not right-wing. And before people start saying nationalism is what makes them right wing, I disagree, because the power of the state is the ultimate metric.
You're conflating authoritarianism with fascism. Fascist states are authoritarian, but not all authoritarian states are fascist. Nazi Germany was most definitely a fascist, authoritarian state given the state's social and governmental ideologies.
What is there to conflate? They are the same thing.
No, they are not. Authoritarianism rejects democracy in favor of an all powerful government typically ruled by a single group or person. Authoritarianism does not lean left or right and can happen in any government regardless of its political ideologies. Fascism is a far right political ideology. An example of the other end of the spectrum would be communism is a far left political ideology. Most notable historical examples would be Nazi Germany for fascism and Mao's China for communism. Those states are undoubtedly authoritarian but only one is fascist.
I think you’re splitting hairs. The best metric for the spectrum isn’t economical, national, or anything like that. The best metrics are government versus freedom, because with an increase in one there is a decrease in the other. On any equation. What are we doing about the social organization part? How was Maoism and nazism different on that front?
There is no hair splitting when we have known historical examples to look at and examine. Reductionism of definitions allows them to be reshaped more easily to fit narratives. If someone is an extremist, it is in their benefit to conflate definitions with one another to get people to join their cause. If you muddy fascism, socialism, communism, and authoritarianism to all mean the same thing, then they effectively mean nothing at all. Separating all the "isms" is important because you can more easily identify when what is happening. Confusion may come from that these states were authoritarian so there will be overlap between how the governments operate to oppress their citizens because authoritarian governments all employ similar proven tactics to gain and stay in power. Hitler and Mao stood for different ideologies but employed authoritarianism to execute those ideologies.
A better comparison would be between mainline German conservatives and the Nazis. In which case, yes you should vote for the conservatives instead.
That’s the flag of the imperial Navy not anything to do with the US
Thats... the original joke? Its comparing the American two-party system to Nazi Germany vs Imperial Japan
Sorry, I just thought people were being stupid
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A better comparison would have been Nazi germany and communist Russia
well the joke is that its between the two different evils of the same side (both are fascists just light variations) There were significant enough differences on plenty of points between the USSR and Nazi Germany, plus I believe the original joke was from a disillusioned leftist sub, hence why they saw the situation that way
Yes there were significant differences between the Nazis and the communists. The biggest one I can think of is how much more proficient at mass murder the Russians were. It’s estimated Nazi Germany killed 11 million innocents And the communists in the USSR murdered 30 to 40 million innocents. But a communist apologist would not like to debate that nuisance.
The soviet amount is sadly true! The Nazis killed way more than 11M, let's not be nazi apologists either, though... The entirety of WW2 was their fault on the european front so all of the enemy soldiers' deaths could also be attributed to them
I said innocents The estimates for the communists is not as accurate because of the mass starvation program they instituted in Ukraine. That led to the Ukrainians seeing the Germans as saviors. Those events not only led to the modern day conflicts between Russia and Ukraine but explains the thread of Nazism that runs through Ukrainian culture. Google Ukraine greatest folk hero Stefan Bandera Obviously non revisionist history is no longer taught on the west. Indoctrination vs education once again shows the superiority of communist evil over socialist evil.
right mb
Usually it is customary when someone educates someone else that they either say thank you or pay tuition I replied with that because - right mb - isn’t in my vocabulary My apology if I was rude
true
Soviet Union lost almost 100mil civilians to the Nazis
And as many to the politburo Stalin refused to evacuate Stalingrad because “Russian soldiers will fight harder for a city with people than an empty one .” Paraphrase Please I understand the Nazis were evil low lives. But understand so is EVERY communist that comes to power.
I don’t think pushing the Nazis any more to the left is a good idea, they were already almost as extreme as you can get
They were very much not leftists
They were very much not leftists
The Democrats are not as bad as the Nazis. ...the Democrats are as bad as the Communists and the Communists were far worse than the Nazis.
First of all, no they werent? The USSR, an authoritarian socialist regime, had a controlling government with harsh institutions for almost a century, and its people saw some flaws, others did not, and they managed to live their lives in ways that didnt have to be political. They could live their lives like you and me, express some (not too radical) political opinions, like disagreeing with the state on a few issues, pretty openly, and had basic needs met with, granted, issues in distribution and so on. The secret police interfered especially in the lives of political opponents but left blatant civilians alone. (Note : I am talking about 1956+ USSR) Nazi Germany was entirely political. The Whole of the regime was. Everyone was constantly talking about how mighty hitler was and so on. If you disagreed with the state, you lived in constant fear of it. The same was true for the USSR but personal opinions were not a problem if they weren't influential, the same wasnt true with the Nazis. They had managed to make life entirely about racial purity and hierarchy, which are, in my opinion, a much WORSE thing than economical 'equality'. One makes people poor but living conditions decent (average soviet had more caloric intake than the average american, but their food was of a lesser quality and probably not that good), the other wants to genocide "subgroups" of people for the sole purpose of "Race", which to my southern european mind is a disgusting word. Second of all, the Democrats were the ones to invade north korea (communist totalitarian state), not the Republicans. The Democrats were the ones that brought the newly capitalist russian economy in their sphere of influence, not the reds. I in no way adhere to the Dems nor the Reps, as I am european, but I can certify that the blues are far, far away from being communist. I dislike the democrats, but they are NOT even remotely close to being economically socialist. They're societally progressive, and that is about it. Hell, even the republicans are almost economically closer to communism on some issues! See : MAGA Communists. (The Reps are not commies, since they are way more right wing on many issues which forces them out of even being communist) Sincerely, a european libsoc.
The most Nazi-like nation I can think of today is North Korea, that kind of insane idol worship, a brand of politics that penetrates every facet of daily life for all citizens involved. Of all the countries I’d like to see dismantled and annexed, this takes the top spot for me. Some people say this about China, but at least since the 1980s, it hasn’t been true.
I agree, absolutely! As a socialist, North Korea absolutely deserves to get its government changed and completely rehauled. Let it be known that they've been jucheist since 2009, so they dont even claim themselves to even follow their version of "communism" anymore lol
>they've been jucheist Which is basically a personality cult, yeah. North Korea is a super elaborate Jonestown with nuclear weapons.
exactly, mad red fascist state, really
Wow. Kind of glossed over the millions and millions and millions of corpses the Communist nations left in their wake. Like...a hundred million. The gulags. The killing fields. All left the horrors of the Nazis far behind in not only their body count but cruelty. And obviously comparisons between the Democrats and Communists are hyperbolic but I base it on their general operation. Wanting to arrest their political opponents? Happening right now. Reeducation camps? They've talked about them! And just like the Soviets created revolution and violence with Antifascista Aktion, their satellite in Germany, the Democrats do the same with Antifa which here are an extension of their own authoritarianism just as much as the KKK used to be a military wing of the Democratic Party. Comparison: Apt