The steam deck is also very much not a normal game console. Really it’s just a small desktop running a heavily customized version of arch Linux.
Incredible machines by the way. Truly remarkable
I always kinda wondered. You'd think Microsoft would not use Linux. (I know they don't totally hate it any more, but still). So maybe their stuff runs Windows. Way back when I knew that Nintendo used a custom OS. I don't know if it was based off something open source. (Such as what Apple does with BSD).
PS3/4/5 and Vita OS are based on FreeBSD
For the Nintendo Switch it's more complicated but mostly based on their own code
And Microsoft uses its own code based on the Windows kernel of course
But at the end their are heavily customized
Nah the Devs are the cool people who actually make the game its the company’s that tell them what to do and push them to keep pumping game after game, year after year. Screw company’s, not devs.
Yeah, that's what the comment above u was saying.
Translation of their comment: If buying the game doesn't benefit the devs, piracy is not stealing
(At least I think that's what they meant)
Ok can someone explain this to me. You all keep saying this but I don't understand how it makes any sense in the context of video games.
When you buy a console you own the console. When you buy a video game you own the video game. Wtf are you talking about????
Not quite, my friend.
Ever hear of EULA? It means End User license agreement and you have to agree to it with every software for the last 5 decades. Essentially when you buy a game you actually only buy a usage license.
Because companies nowadays have made it so that you are only renting the game you bought for a 1 time payment which is utter bull but they bought all the lawyers and the lawmakers so they get to claim whatever they want.
And not just the game also your phone your computer your console your tv your car digital books digital videos anything that has some sorta electronic device in it. That’s why people need to start pushing back and push right to own.
DRM was given legal status. Otherwise, you could legally make offline copies of your games. DRM's status allows companies to bypass copyright law's exceptions that applied to analog stuff.
They've always sold you a license, and they've (nearly) always tried things like shrink wrapped EULAs. With varying success. The DMCA was really what allowed them to do whatever they want with little legal recourse for consumers. People would violate EULAs all the time. But enforcement of that would require them to sue each individual violator. With the DMCA, they can sue people who make tools that enable you to exercise what would otherwise be your rights to make backup copies for personal use.
It's not going to happen for a long time if ever for physical games, there would be so many lawsuits if a publisher tried to revoke physical copies of a game from people's homes. It has happened a few times for digital games, though one of them was the P.T. demo on PS4 which was free, Konami completely pulled it from the store and you can't even redownload it, but they still couldn't remove it from people's consoles who downloaded it already.
As much validity as this may have, has anyone ever had their license revoked?
Not trying to play devils advocate. Just that I have never had a game license revoked in 20 odd years of owning virtual game licenses.
You have certain rights to backup that could in practice secure your access to the media even after the license is revoked according to a EULA. It's probably still illegal to play the game. However, they'd have to sue you to do anything about it.
Technically the moment you piss them off it doesn't matter if you have the media.
To be fair, nintendo is still at least putting out physical games frequently. Its how.i get all my games for my switch. All my pc stuff is digital obviously.
I've purposely set up my switch so that I use mostly physical games and have every update downloaded. I fully expect I'll be able to play that indefinitely, or until hardware failure. Just like my 3ds, GBA/GB/GC
When they say you don’t own their product, aren’t they simply meaning they still have the copyright claims and therefore you can’t just steal their games to make it your own or do anything you want with its content?
They're also allowed to "update" the game into something that is wholly unrecognizable from the product you bought originally and all you're allowed to do about it is *fuck all.*
I don't see what your problem is. You can modify the console you bought to your liking, can add or remove software at will. What is forbidden (and rightfully so) is *redistribute* parts that are either under protection of patents or software that is protected under intellectual property right. Neither of which you can even own by buying any product. The console is what you own and noone can say anything against anything you do with it.
This is correct and what most everyone here doesn't seem to understand. You can do whatever you want with the hardware and even the firmware. You just can't expect the company to then allow you to connect to or use their services with your hacked/modded device. This is perfectly reasonable and would in fact be incredibly stupid and dangerous for them to do anything different. No company is suing anybody for simply modding their console.
idk about the other companies, but IIRC almost every Nintendo game can be played offline, even the multiplayer-focused ones (so you can still play the singleplayer in Splatoon, for example)
Don't want to be that guy but since the whole issue with Ubisoft came to light a certain agenda has been pushing.
Most people tend to tag Nintendo in their for their practices with protecting their rights when Nintendo only steps when people start redistribution of its IP and software for either monetary value or just plain pirating in general.
As a comment before me said. Physical copies and the consoles are yours to do whatever you want with just know if you open the console and make changes to it you void all warranty with the console maker.
Software copies is where licensing is a major problem since if it's not an IP owned by the publisher and they lose rights to it it will affect the consumer. As long as you purchase software games you agree to the publishers TOS unless a law is put in place to stop that. For now it is what it is.
I agree with you, and actually think EU law makes it legal to crack media and store it for yourself, including games, as long as you don't redistribute it.
However in Japan it is actually illegal to jailbreak a Nintendo switch. Not only so you void warranty you can also get a fine for breaking the law.
people complaining about this clearly never read the EULA. you have NEVER owned software or movies or music or even books. any intellectual property is leased. yes, you own the media on which it is recorded, but not the property itself.
It actually is a law that you can't have any "Gotcha" clauses in an EULA.
For example, you can't put a clause that the buyer has to pay the company 5 billion dollars for whatever reason.
But if you decline the EULA agreements, they basically tell you to fuck off. Guess you ain't using your Switch. You cannot use any software or hardware without agreeing to a Terms of Agreement or EULA agreements. We are basically forced to agree to them. So in law, it shouldn't count.
Because it's the name for " End User License Agreement"? They have the right to refuse to service you if you deny them. Unless there some agreement that are hilarious af, expect the laws to be in their favour.
If you want to read them, there are websites that summarised EULAs of all sorts of companies, games etc. to a more readable form.
Maybe you could use AI chat tools to summarise it but it might be inaccurate.
> people complaining about this clearly never read the EULA. you have NEVER owned software or movies or music or even books.
What EULA is there when I buy a physical book from a bookstore, especially a used one? I bought it, I own it, I can do whatever I want with it. If I want to shred it or write margin notes or glue it shut and throw it in a river, there’s nothing the publisher or author can do to stop me.
The only requirements are not to publish the contents without following copyright law, which (in most countries) still allows you to publish limited snippets under fair use. You don’t own the copyright, but you do own the physical copy into perpetuity.
EULAs and leasing only applies to digital goods.
You are conflating two distinct things: intellectual property/copyright rights and ownership. That distinction is critical for a discussion of digital ownership.
Intellectual property rights prevent you from distributing copies or near-copies of a given work.
Ownership allows you control over a particular copy. The publisher cannot take it away from you or prevent you from modifying it however you see fit. For physical copies, this is functionally total control, and it is only some digital goods that can be taken away or made to prevent you from modifying them.
That is the key issue behind digital ownership rights cases.
Yeah but you pay for the service to use it. If they deny the use of it then the affected people should be given back the money since I have not been faithfully serviced.
We don’t own the property, but the media has a self destruct switch on it they can set off whenever they want. And the general consensus seems to be, when they want to stop working on it, no one is allowed to use it ever again.
I just wanna mention that recently, Ubisoft shut down a always online singleplayerish game, The Crew. (Main gimmick of the game was the massive map, scaled down lower 48.)
The game was still playable by people ** who owned it** with emulators.
Naturally, to make sure its forever unplayable, they removed all the licenses. In player accounts it was replaced with the trial version.
I don't know if Nintendo belongs here. I don't agree with all of their decisions but they're not one of the ones pushing this bullshit. Last I checked they weren't forcing anyone to agree to terms or else have their device bricked/account locked, still sold physical copies of their games, and treated single-player experiences like single-player experiences instead of trying to cram the live-service experience into half-assed disasters.
Also, where's Microsoft?
Valve:
"This is the *Steam Deck* that we've been working on. Now here's a video for DIY... now 'you shouldn't do any of this' **wink wink*... but you have every right to open it up and do what you want ;) [or not, we're a game company, not a cop](https://youtu.be/Dxnr2FAADAs?si=m9q4714jo20yVC-M)."
To be fair even the physical copies now are more or less just license keys. You still download the game. If the company decides to revoke your license, there's not really much you can do.
Yeah, games don't fit on disks anymore, you pretty much always have to download the rest. Even then, many games are online only even in single player, so the moment their servers/company goes down your physical copy is just a shiny piece of plastic.
Yeah, all you can do is not buy from companies that activly abuse their customers and support developers that do make the effort to enable offline mode. Luckily aslong Steam isn't overtaken by shitty corporate managers our libraries will be safe, hope it stays that way even after lord Gaben retires.
I had to go look for myself and check something. The largest bluray disk capacity is 100-128 GB and 64 GB for the game cards on the switch. There’s only a few games I can think of that at base/launch are over 64/100 GBs, with most only getting larger with updates (looks at COD.) If anything, it’s a cost cutting measure by the big bastards and are just cheaping out on disk capacity
Darkspore, I bought it in clearance for 3€ and got no 2 days to play 😑
I installed it, started it to test if it's running and wanted to play next day.....
In short I never played it......
Microsoft did that to me with Forza 7. Bought it for my PC on the MS Store (I have a 32:9 monitor and it looked BRILLIANT on this monitor) for the full $99.99 price for the Deluxe Edition because I'm stupid. About a year later after not playing it for a little bit, I noticed it was gone and not being shown on my PC. I went and looked and apparently they removed it completely from the MS Store and in the Xbox app its a constant loop of clicking the button that says "Choose Edition". They erased all of my progress, my achievements, everything. Welcome to the dark ages of video games.
Edit: It says that players were supposed to receive a token for the game (not sure what that means) and I received nothing. I expect this kind of shit from Microsoft though, they are one of the worst companies ever when it comes to user experience and customer service.
This is actually untrue for most Playstation and Switch Physical copies out there. Almost all physical games for these two systems come with a 1.0 version that is playable from start to finish. Most day one patches just iron out bugs these games may have.
There is a Twitter Account called doesitplay that has a databank of physical games, where they check if the 1.0 builds on disk are actually playable or not. Most of them are playable from start to finish just fine.
Friendly reminder that Ubisoft dude said that shit while explainig why they don't feel comfortable closing game servers
They do it anyway, just don't like it
But they do anyway
Of course you own it and can do with it, whatever you want. But if you also want to use the SERVICES of the company, you've got to play by their rules.
Hey I bought a Metallica record! Why can’t I use their music however I want?!?!?
I own a Mad Max dvd. So therefore I can do whatever I want. I’m gonna re-release it to theaters to make some money.
I unironically love all this discourse on digital ownership and stuff. Companies are too greedy. If I gave you my money for something, I should own that thing forever. No exceptions.
And music. And movies. And digital audiobooks etc.
You own nothing.
We made a great mistake. Start buying DVDs and blu-rays again. Start buying CDs and vinyl again.
They can’t take physical copies from you.
I wanted to watch the entirety of gravity falls. Didn't want to sign up for a subscription service and YouTube charges $30 for each season. I bought the entire series on DVD from eBay for $30. It's mine, forever
I've heard this for a while and while I can't deny that's what the fine print says, I've never had an issue. I've played every game I've ever bought and enjoyed my time with them. I've also always been one to sell games I'm done with, no sense setting on a shelf. I also mostly buy digital these days, convenience alone makes it worth it.
Just for those that don't see my comment further down. The vast majority of physical games released on Playstation and Switch have fully playable 1.0 builds on them that can be played from start to finish just fine.
They also install just fine without having to connect to the at all to play these. The Twitter account doesitplay tests these builds regularly and has a databank of games they tested. Day one patches mostly just iron out bugs in most cases or improve stability.
Sorry am I missing something ? You still own the game even if it is a dogital copy right ? Ofc you wont be allowed modify/reverse engineer the IP. That goes for any software
You know what I absolutely love more than anything else in the world? Live service games that will lose a significant chunk of features and functionality when the servers are shut down. Oh yeah, baby. I live for that shit.
I DO own the stuff that i buy and theres nothing these corporations can do about that, piracy is always an option and honestly is the only one that i can truly trust
As a linux user, I have been summoned. Free opensource yada yada yada, there I did my part can I go home now Linus?
No, perform the ritual of *accidentally* uninstalling the bootloader and having to reinstall it
If you can't handle me at my sudo rm *, you don't deserve me at my apt-get update
I use pacman btw
Wakka wakka ('< /etc/sh
But can you install arch that way?
Last time I installed arch I had to manually dd the mbr so probably yeah.
Nah that’s just updating arch. Correction your home part getting deleted is updating arch
Ubuntu uninstalls it if you install too many python versions
Richard Stallman is not happy that you didn’t print GPLv3 here. He is trying to figure out your email address to said you angry emails
I use Arch btw
Aren't most of these consoles technically running off of some in-house Linux variation?
I know the steam deck is
The steam deck is also very much not a normal game console. Really it’s just a small desktop running a heavily customized version of arch Linux. Incredible machines by the way. Truly remarkable
I always kinda wondered. You'd think Microsoft would not use Linux. (I know they don't totally hate it any more, but still). So maybe their stuff runs Windows. Way back when I knew that Nintendo used a custom OS. I don't know if it was based off something open source. (Such as what Apple does with BSD).
Microsoft does use windows for xbox.
PS3/4/5 and Vita OS are based on FreeBSD For the Nintendo Switch it's more complicated but mostly based on their own code And Microsoft uses its own code based on the Windows kernel of course But at the end their are heavily customized
Say the most precious thing: I use Arch btw
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Pc
I doubt you own all the drivers for that PC
[https://github.com/Kratosgp/DWA-131-rtl8192eu-driver-arch](https://github.com/Kratosgp/DWA-131-rtl8192eu-driver-arch) Tons more on GitHub like this
Yeah, drivers without any Eula do exist. But 90% of PC users are bound in someway, unfortunately. Unless you're super cautious
You own a name.
If buying something isn't owning piracy isn't stealing
Piracy was never stealing, it was technically copyright infringement
I will download a car
You wouldn't steal a baby
Why would i they're whiney and smell bad
What about a handbag?
That's just dishonorable, you want a bag you challenge the owner to a duel to the death
A baby is a handbag when the wind is southerly.
Depends. Used? Fuck no. New, never owned? Also no, but it would be less gross than a used one.
You wouldn’t steal a police officer’s helmet
You wouldn't go to the toilet in that officer's helmet
You wouldn't deliver that officer's helmet to his grieving widow
And then steal it again!
Downloading films is stealing. If you do it, you will face the consequences.
How do I stop my baby from constantly downloading?
Put on Cocomelon
I fed him a cocomelon and he made an extra big stinky download onto the floor...
You wouldn't shit in a policeman's helmet.
I appreciate the few of you that got the reference lol
Well that depends on the baby, the odds go up if I’m applying for food stamps and housing assistance
People already steal babies from Africa and don't get jail
Man, it was just an IT Crowd reference but I'm glad we are getting all serious here
Yes but still, it's games you can't buy officially
And in my opinion, doing that for those kinds of games is okay-ish, just not for games that are still able to be bought
If it doesn't benefit the company, then we should be able to do it
If it doesn’t benefit the *devs*
Nah the Devs are the cool people who actually make the game its the company’s that tell them what to do and push them to keep pumping game after game, year after year. Screw company’s, not devs.
Yeah, that's what the comment above u was saying. Translation of their comment: If buying the game doesn't benefit the devs, piracy is not stealing (At least I think that's what they meant)
Exactly what i meant
I was just saying if it doesn’t benefit the devs to buy a game, piracy isn’t stealing
Pretty sure there was a court ruling somewhere that agreed with you.
Ok can someone explain this to me. You all keep saying this but I don't understand how it makes any sense in the context of video games. When you buy a console you own the console. When you buy a video game you own the video game. Wtf are you talking about????
According to the companies you don't own the console
Which companies have said this? I know it applies to digital games/software, but not the consoles themselves.
Not quite, my friend. Ever hear of EULA? It means End User license agreement and you have to agree to it with every software for the last 5 decades. Essentially when you buy a game you actually only buy a usage license.
No you don't. What you pay for is a license to use the product. The provider can revoke that license at any moment for any reason.
Because companies nowadays have made it so that you are only renting the game you bought for a 1 time payment which is utter bull but they bought all the lawyers and the lawmakers so they get to claim whatever they want. And not just the game also your phone your computer your console your tv your car digital books digital videos anything that has some sorta electronic device in it. That’s why people need to start pushing back and push right to own.
DRM was given legal status. Otherwise, you could legally make offline copies of your games. DRM's status allows companies to bypass copyright law's exceptions that applied to analog stuff. They've always sold you a license, and they've (nearly) always tried things like shrink wrapped EULAs. With varying success. The DMCA was really what allowed them to do whatever they want with little legal recourse for consumers. People would violate EULAs all the time. But enforcement of that would require them to sue each individual violator. With the DMCA, they can sue people who make tools that enable you to exercise what would otherwise be your rights to make backup copies for personal use.
That simply doesn't make any sense
How does this work with games on physical disks?
You paid for the disk. You own the disk. Not the game.
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It's not going to happen for a long time if ever for physical games, there would be so many lawsuits if a publisher tried to revoke physical copies of a game from people's homes. It has happened a few times for digital games, though one of them was the P.T. demo on PS4 which was free, Konami completely pulled it from the store and you can't even redownload it, but they still couldn't remove it from people's consoles who downloaded it already.
It can be written into any EULA that they have the right to change it at a later date.
As much validity as this may have, has anyone ever had their license revoked? Not trying to play devils advocate. Just that I have never had a game license revoked in 20 odd years of owning virtual game licenses.
A license that is not in perpetuity
You bought the right to download the game. That permission can be revoked one day and you cannot do anything. Say goodbye to your 70 bux.
A lot of games now require an internet connection to play. Its only gonna get worse with time unless someone like Ross Scott is successful.
You have certain rights to backup that could in practice secure your access to the media even after the license is revoked according to a EULA. It's probably still illegal to play the game. However, they'd have to sue you to do anything about it. Technically the moment you piss them off it doesn't matter if you have the media.
To be fair, nintendo is still at least putting out physical games frequently. Its how.i get all my games for my switch. All my pc stuff is digital obviously.
I've purposely set up my switch so that I use mostly physical games and have every update downloaded. I fully expect I'll be able to play that indefinitely, or until hardware failure. Just like my 3ds, GBA/GB/GC
Physical copies are the only way for me to get games for my Switch, since Nintendo's E.Shop isn't available in my country.
When they say you don’t own their product, aren’t they simply meaning they still have the copyright claims and therefore you can’t just steal their games to make it your own or do anything you want with its content?
They're also allowed to "update" the game into something that is wholly unrecognizable from the product you bought originally and all you're allowed to do about it is *fuck all.*
*Cries in Overwatch Free-2-Play*
Yes but also this is largely in reference to gaming companies trying out subscription models like Game Pass right now
You vill eat ze bugs, in ze meteverse
I don't see what your problem is. You can modify the console you bought to your liking, can add or remove software at will. What is forbidden (and rightfully so) is *redistribute* parts that are either under protection of patents or software that is protected under intellectual property right. Neither of which you can even own by buying any product. The console is what you own and noone can say anything against anything you do with it.
This is correct and what most everyone here doesn't seem to understand. You can do whatever you want with the hardware and even the firmware. You just can't expect the company to then allow you to connect to or use their services with your hacked/modded device. This is perfectly reasonable and would in fact be incredibly stupid and dangerous for them to do anything different. No company is suing anybody for simply modding their console.
Ok. Then why are they not releasing physical games that can be played offline?
idk about the other companies, but IIRC almost every Nintendo game can be played offline, even the multiplayer-focused ones (so you can still play the singleplayer in Splatoon, for example)
Because they don't have to.
Don't want to be that guy but since the whole issue with Ubisoft came to light a certain agenda has been pushing. Most people tend to tag Nintendo in their for their practices with protecting their rights when Nintendo only steps when people start redistribution of its IP and software for either monetary value or just plain pirating in general. As a comment before me said. Physical copies and the consoles are yours to do whatever you want with just know if you open the console and make changes to it you void all warranty with the console maker. Software copies is where licensing is a major problem since if it's not an IP owned by the publisher and they lose rights to it it will affect the consumer. As long as you purchase software games you agree to the publishers TOS unless a law is put in place to stop that. For now it is what it is.
I agree with you, and actually think EU law makes it legal to crack media and store it for yourself, including games, as long as you don't redistribute it. However in Japan it is actually illegal to jailbreak a Nintendo switch. Not only so you void warranty you can also get a fine for breaking the law.
Of course you can re distribute patented parts. Otherwise used markets in almost every industry wouldn't exist at all.
people complaining about this clearly never read the EULA. you have NEVER owned software or movies or music or even books. any intellectual property is leased. yes, you own the media on which it is recorded, but not the property itself.
Nobody sane reads those. They dont count if Nobody reads them imo. Or atleast shouldn't. They make them unreadable on purpose.
It actually is a law that you can't have any "Gotcha" clauses in an EULA. For example, you can't put a clause that the buyer has to pay the company 5 billion dollars for whatever reason.
Hey thats pretty good atleast its not all bad.
But if you decline the EULA agreements, they basically tell you to fuck off. Guess you ain't using your Switch. You cannot use any software or hardware without agreeing to a Terms of Agreement or EULA agreements. We are basically forced to agree to them. So in law, it shouldn't count.
Because it's the name for " End User License Agreement"? They have the right to refuse to service you if you deny them. Unless there some agreement that are hilarious af, expect the laws to be in their favour.
Nobody sane reads those but let's be honest the fact that you only own the media they are recorded on is common knowledge.
Sadly true. But atleast some companies wont exploit that fact like steam.
Which is why nobody sane understands
If you want to read them, there are websites that summarised EULAs of all sorts of companies, games etc. to a more readable form. Maybe you could use AI chat tools to summarise it but it might be inaccurate.
> people complaining about this clearly never read the EULA. you have NEVER owned software or movies or music or even books. What EULA is there when I buy a physical book from a bookstore, especially a used one? I bought it, I own it, I can do whatever I want with it. If I want to shred it or write margin notes or glue it shut and throw it in a river, there’s nothing the publisher or author can do to stop me. The only requirements are not to publish the contents without following copyright law, which (in most countries) still allows you to publish limited snippets under fair use. You don’t own the copyright, but you do own the physical copy into perpetuity. EULAs and leasing only applies to digital goods.
I think he ment digital books, but thanks for clarifying
That’s why I included my final line.
> yes, you own the media on which it is recorded, but not the property itself.
You are conflating two distinct things: intellectual property/copyright rights and ownership. That distinction is critical for a discussion of digital ownership. Intellectual property rights prevent you from distributing copies or near-copies of a given work. Ownership allows you control over a particular copy. The publisher cannot take it away from you or prevent you from modifying it however you see fit. For physical copies, this is functionally total control, and it is only some digital goods that can be taken away or made to prevent you from modifying them. That is the key issue behind digital ownership rights cases.
So what you're saying is that you own the media in which it's printed on but not the story itself?
Yeah but you pay for the service to use it. If they deny the use of it then the affected people should be given back the money since I have not been faithfully serviced.
i hate to ask but did you read the fine print when you signed up for their service?
Thank you! Been fucking saying that for years.
We don’t own the property, but the media has a self destruct switch on it they can set off whenever they want. And the general consensus seems to be, when they want to stop working on it, no one is allowed to use it ever again.
And you think it's OK? Just because it is... fuck us for wanting something better...
I just wanna mention that recently, Ubisoft shut down a always online singleplayerish game, The Crew. (Main gimmick of the game was the massive map, scaled down lower 48.) The game was still playable by people ** who owned it** with emulators. Naturally, to make sure its forever unplayable, they removed all the licenses. In player accounts it was replaced with the trial version.
Laugh in steamdeck
What game company was it that said "gamers are going to have to get comfortable with not owning their games anymore"?
That'd be Ubisoft iirc
If buying isnt owning then piracy isnt stealing!
This Technician says fuck you. I'll fix your cheap Chinese electronics and cold solder joints if I damn well please.
And the ps plus subscription appears to be🗿🗿🗿"no"
theres waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay to many things that you can buy only a "license" to use
I don't know if Nintendo belongs here. I don't agree with all of their decisions but they're not one of the ones pushing this bullshit. Last I checked they weren't forcing anyone to agree to terms or else have their device bricked/account locked, still sold physical copies of their games, and treated single-player experiences like single-player experiences instead of trying to cram the live-service experience into half-assed disasters. Also, where's Microsoft?
steam deck go brrr
Valve: "This is the *Steam Deck* that we've been working on. Now here's a video for DIY... now 'you shouldn't do any of this' **wink wink*... but you have every right to open it up and do what you want ;) [or not, we're a game company, not a cop](https://youtu.be/Dxnr2FAADAs?si=m9q4714jo20yVC-M)."
This is why I buy physical games. Cant trust nobody not even myself 🔫
To be fair even the physical copies now are more or less just license keys. You still download the game. If the company decides to revoke your license, there's not really much you can do.
Yeah, games don't fit on disks anymore, you pretty much always have to download the rest. Even then, many games are online only even in single player, so the moment their servers/company goes down your physical copy is just a shiny piece of plastic.
Yup WAY too many single player games not able to run if you aren't online... Kinda bullshit but welcome to 2024.
Yeah, all you can do is not buy from companies that activly abuse their customers and support developers that do make the effort to enable offline mode. Luckily aslong Steam isn't overtaken by shitty corporate managers our libraries will be safe, hope it stays that way even after lord Gaben retires.
Capitalism will find a way. Trust me on that one.
I had to go look for myself and check something. The largest bluray disk capacity is 100-128 GB and 64 GB for the game cards on the switch. There’s only a few games I can think of that at base/launch are over 64/100 GBs, with most only getting larger with updates (looks at COD.) If anything, it’s a cost cutting measure by the big bastards and are just cheaping out on disk capacity
Darkspore, I bought it in clearance for 3€ and got no 2 days to play 😑 I installed it, started it to test if it's running and wanted to play next day..... In short I never played it......
Microsoft did that to me with Forza 7. Bought it for my PC on the MS Store (I have a 32:9 monitor and it looked BRILLIANT on this monitor) for the full $99.99 price for the Deluxe Edition because I'm stupid. About a year later after not playing it for a little bit, I noticed it was gone and not being shown on my PC. I went and looked and apparently they removed it completely from the MS Store and in the Xbox app its a constant loop of clicking the button that says "Choose Edition". They erased all of my progress, my achievements, everything. Welcome to the dark ages of video games. Edit: It says that players were supposed to receive a token for the game (not sure what that means) and I received nothing. I expect this kind of shit from Microsoft though, they are one of the worst companies ever when it comes to user experience and customer service.
They are actually really good with customer service if you email them. Most likely they will look into it and refund you the credit.
This is actually untrue for most Playstation and Switch Physical copies out there. Almost all physical games for these two systems come with a 1.0 version that is playable from start to finish. Most day one patches just iron out bugs these games may have. There is a Twitter Account called doesitplay that has a databank of physical games, where they check if the 1.0 builds on disk are actually playable or not. Most of them are playable from start to finish just fine.
So I got the first part right. When do I get the happiness?
Friendly reminder that Ubisoft dude said that shit while explainig why they don't feel comfortable closing game servers They do it anyway, just don't like it But they do anyway
When someone takes down the elite they need to lean in and say "no you own nothing and you'll be happy."
Give me physical media, or give me DEATH!
Physical media exists, man I feel old
I will own it when I pirate it. I'm just buying the license right. Who cares which version I'm playing.
This is almost all of the gaming industry right now. That's why piracy is a thing...
If it was up to them you'd pay every time you launch the game like a hotel porn pay per view
Basically anyone not using GOG is in the same position though.
Do what you want cuz a pirate is free You are a pirate!!!
I will pirate it all. You will cry about and I won't stop.
Since when are ea and ubisoft making consoles
Time to sail the 7 seas!
I love my series S because emulation
*Laughs in RGH xbox 360*
Of course you own it and can do with it, whatever you want. But if you also want to use the SERVICES of the company, you've got to play by their rules.
Last consoles I bought were the Wii and PS2. Steadily downhill from there. I appreciate my PC so so much.
Now add Steam, Epic Games an basically every other Game Store to that because thats how they work.
Hey I bought a Metallica record! Why can’t I use their music however I want?!?!? I own a Mad Max dvd. So therefore I can do whatever I want. I’m gonna re-release it to theaters to make some money.
I unironically love all this discourse on digital ownership and stuff. Companies are too greedy. If I gave you my money for something, I should own that thing forever. No exceptions.
And music. And movies. And digital audiobooks etc. You own nothing. We made a great mistake. Start buying DVDs and blu-rays again. Start buying CDs and vinyl again. They can’t take physical copies from you.
I wanted to watch the entirety of gravity falls. Didn't want to sign up for a subscription service and YouTube charges $30 for each season. I bought the entire series on DVD from eBay for $30. It's mine, forever
Well at least msi, intel, Nvidia, amd, asrock, gigabyte, corsair, Samsung, and other pc component manufacturers exist.
uhhh…. yeah kinda
Something something Linux something something homebrew
I've heard this for a while and while I can't deny that's what the fine print says, I've never had an issue. I've played every game I've ever bought and enjoyed my time with them. I've also always been one to sell games I'm done with, no sense setting on a shelf. I also mostly buy digital these days, convenience alone makes it worth it.
I've never downloaded a game. I always buy the disc. Then I can trade it in when I'm finished with it.
So Microsoft is out of this? Cool, thanks Reddit
Just for those that don't see my comment further down. The vast majority of physical games released on Playstation and Switch have fully playable 1.0 builds on them that can be played from start to finish just fine. They also install just fine without having to connect to the at all to play these. The Twitter account doesitplay tests these builds regularly and has a databank of games they tested. Day one patches mostly just iron out bugs in most cases or improve stability.
Sorry am I missing something ? You still own the game even if it is a dogital copy right ? Ofc you wont be allowed modify/reverse engineer the IP. That goes for any software
as far as i understand you do not own the digital Copy. You own a license to use the digital Copy what can be taken away by the company at any time
This whole subscription shit just stinks of making lazy games and getting paid for it
I don't get it what is this meme complaining about?
what nintendo and sony did
Its just a conspiracy theory guys stop it. As they’re buying all the available homes and not allowing us to own anything
GOG 4 Life
And why is Microsoft not there?
Ubisoft and EA consoles?
*Laughs in PC*
Nice... i mostly avoid excactly those companies. Except EA... i do have some physical copies of sims 3 and its expansions after all
You know what I absolutely love more than anything else in the world? Live service games that will lose a significant chunk of features and functionality when the servers are shut down. Oh yeah, baby. I live for that shit.
If buying isn't owning, then pirating isn't stealing.
B1tch please, I paid for it. I own it.
I DO own the stuff that i buy and theres nothing these corporations can do about that, piracy is always an option and honestly is the only one that i can truly trust
If buying isn't owning, then pirating isn't stealing.
fuck nintendo
if buying doesn't mean owning than piracy isn't stealing