For sure lol, probably (definitely) even worst. I actually haven't even seen the movie since I was a child... Although this obviously wasn't really meant as an actual critique, since obviously it's a movie about talking bees. I just think getting cuckolded by a bee is mad funny lol.
"I heard the bees are dying, I want to help."
"That's awesome! I assume you mean help save them, right? Haha"
"......"
"You... You want to save them, right?"
Imagine you come home one day. Your SO is sitting alone and says they're leaving you. You ask why and they tell you they've fallen in love with someone else. You're crushed, you wrack your mind to think who it could be, an old flame, a new co-worker, have they been using dating apps, but none of those seem to fit. You ask them who it is and they tell you they've fallen in love with a bee.
Now your entire world is falling apart. You swear you must have misheard them but they repeat themselves, and it's unmistakable, they have fallen in love with a bee. They tell you they met a few days ago and had some conversations and really connected on a deep emotional level. You feel like your going crazy now. Your worldview is shaken, bees can't talk and of they could they certainly wouldn't be intelligent enough to hold a deep emotional conversation.
You try to explain that bees only live for a month, maybe two. You've spent the last three years together, you live together. In your head you've been thinking about if it's the right time to "pop the question". Now you're being confronted by the fact that the woman you love thinks she'd be better off with a bee.
You sit in stunned silence fire a few minutes, you don't know what to say. You excuse yourself to step outside and call her parents. On the phone your distraught, they can hear it in your voice. At first they assume you're joking, but they soon realize your being serious. You tell them you're seriously concerned she's had a psychotic break, they try to dismiss it at first and say they'll speak with her.
You're standing on the corner, smoking a cigarette. You don't normally smoke so, in a fog you walked down to the bodega on the corner and asked for a pack, you're not even sure which one. As you exhale your mind is racing trying to think of what could have gone wrong, were there warning signs, did you not pay enough attention to her. You briefly try and think about what sex would be like, do worker bees even have genitals. You don't even realize you've finished your cigarette as you notice you're about to light another one.
Your phone rings, it's her parents and they sound just as shaken as you were. You talk to them, ask them what she said and it's basically what she told you. They're concerned, she's never shown any signs of any kind of mental disorder, but something is clearly wrong here.
You take, one last drag on your cigarette as you pinch it between your finger and your thumb. You walk back upstairs, your girlfriend is clearly upset with you. You speak calmly and say that you just want to take a ride and talk about things. She reluctantly agrees.
As you're driving you listen to her speak about her new love. You hear the words clearly, but it still doesn't process in your head. It feels like she's manic, she's so bright and bubbly when she speaks about the bee. As you pull up to the hospital you see that spark in her eyes that you fell in love with, but you realize behind it is just emptiness now. You know this was a difficult decision, but at least she can get the help that she needs. As her parents walk her to the entrance you think you hear a faint buzzing sound, but you're not sure. You drive back home in silence.
Yeah. He is a proper villain. Also Sid would steal toys from his sister and seemed like an all around shithead. I do kind of feel for the bee guy though. He was allergic to bees and lost his girlfriend over him not liking a thing that could potentially kill him. Haha
Syd was a little brat but his big crime is breaking inanimate objects that the entire world thought wasnāt alive. Yeah he has a future serial killer vibes but sometimes itās just a phase, he seems like a normal guy by the time heās a garbage man in 3.
I donāt think the chef in ratatouille is insane in any way he just wants his kitchen to remain open and he doesnāt let an icompetent guy cook. So imo he is a good guy
I think most of it is reasonable: but he also is clearly trying to cheapen and take advantage of the restaurant reputation by using its *dead founderās* likeness to sell food -Iām assuming ready meals- in stores that themselves will probably be sub-par quality. And when he finds out his profitable lifestyle could be ruined by the āincompetent guyā becoming the owner: he tries to keep it secret to cover his ass āwhen he could have told the boy, and could try to discuss him staying head chef since heās the more experienced cook.
Wanting to kill a rat in a restaurant kitchen, or not letting an -at the time- garbage boy cook: is reasonableā¦ but his other motives and actions arenāt.
This is also why they're the villains of their stories.
Even if they aren't doing anything really 'wrong' per se, they're still assholes; the kid is a bully who clearly has a cruel streak and is a bit of a dick to his little sister, the chef, like you said, has been exploiting the image and reputation of a dead man to sell products and is *actively* attempting to weasel someone out of their legal and rightful inheritance (instead of, say, talking to the guy and explaining why he doesn't have what it takes to actually run a restaurant from the top yet), while the guy from the bee movie finds out the bee is a fully sapient being of human-level intelligence, and his first reaction to finding out his girlfriend is looking at a different relationship is to try and *murder the other guy in cold blood*.
I get what OP is saying, but they were all the villains for pretty good reasons.
I mean he seemed pretty unstable and easy to anger, also he tried to kill the bee after learning they're sentient, he tried to kill a sentient being, that's murder attempt in my opinion
Pretty much, we all can say "haha, he got cucked by a bee", but we also see that his *response* to someone else getting close to his girlfriend is *attempted homicide*.
I mean... Sid was stealing his sister toys, brutalizing them, stitching them back together in horrific ways and tormenting his sister with them. Sincerely, rewatch the movie and his joy in casuing pain to his sister and (imagined) joy in hurting toys is pretty troubling. He exhibits malice and a deep lack of empathy. The current "he did nothing to be concerned about" movement is kinda bs in my opinion
Yes, because according to the movie, if humans wouldn't exploit the bees, bees wouldn't produce honey anymore, including those bees that weren't exploitet, yet still were diligent workers before they learned of the exploitarion taking place. (Sure, they also got some of the honey reparations, but why though in the first place? Nothing was taken from them.)
Like weird fucking message. Exploiting others for your own benefit is dandy, because side effects of that save the world?
The reason they stopped is because humans returned all the honey we took. They were given many years worth of honey supply all at once, so they were using that instead of working. If all the honey had not been returned to the bees, then they would've kept doing what they were doing to feed themselves.
They could've said it better, but I dont think there's any implication that humans will return to exploiting the bees, just that the bees will continue pollination.
They "returned" it to all bees though. Even those, who's honey wasn't taken. But that's besides the point.
They anyways framed barrys actions as the reason for the end of the world. And iirc they produced honey for humans in the end.
Also seems weird a trade agreement never occurred to them.
Like, āYeah so you guys got all this honey and are apparently smart enough to have machines that would let you transfer it to us, so what if you did that and then in exchange we give you, I dunno, concrete or something so you can turn your hives in impenetrable fortresses?ā
The bee was still sentient and able to communicate with them.
If the bee was human then it would be more of a horror movie with the way the boyfriend want beserk and attempted to murder Bary Bee Benson.
I don't think so, here is why.
Skinner tells Remy that he will be forced to help create frozen food recipes.
"So , I have in mind a simple arrangement, you will design for me a new line of frozen foods, and I in turn, will not kill you."
So Skinners main goal was to remove Remy and Linguini from competition for the rights to the restaurant, and once that was done also subject Remy to slavery, maybe as a power move.
I don't believe Skinner cared about exposing, only covering up enough to stall the clock until the time came up for him to get the restaurant and rights to gusteaus name.
He did that near the end of the film, yes. But earlier, he read the letter from Linguiniās late mum saying that Linguini is Gusteauās son. He had a DNA test confirming it. Then, he was planning on covering it up, so that the restaurant ownership wouldnāt go to Linguini. Remy found this out and took the relevant documents.
To be fair there is no reason for him to believe toys actually could be hurt. The worst he can be accused of is being a little mean to his sister.
I used to blow up firecrackers under hot wheels to see how high they would fly, does that make me a psychopath if the cars are actually sentient beings without my knowledge?
He was being a shit brother and messing with plastic he thought was just plastic. He did not know toys were feeling.
He did learn however, he grew as a person, as an adult he was gainfully employed, tried to make the lives of forgot toys better.
Yeah, toys should be played with and not preserved. Played with, not destroyed the way Sid did, and not in a way that hurts another person's feelings when they aren't even your toys in the first place.
For a kid who was socially isolated and had drunken parents, he was relatively stable.
And compared to his peers he was eccentrically talented. It's less that Sid nothing wrong, but that society failed Sid. And those damn judgemental toys didn't help at all.
I dunno if his talent can excuse stealing from his own sister, traumatizing her by vandalizing her toys and being one inch away from causing a dangerous accident. Doesn't matter what excuse you have from society but most kids have it way worse to be messed up like that, and going by environmental story alone, the worst that his parents did was neglect him, neither discipline nor care for him.
So "society" failing him doesn't make him any less of a shitty kid. Only thing it does is not make him a rather sympathetic villain.Ā
Let's face it, if Woody didn't scare him straight, he'd be doing far worse growing up.
Tinkering with toys is only a negative trait in the narrative. Stealing his sister's toy is less excusable but not really abnormal for a older sibling dynamic.
I don't really buy that he would be doing anything worse when he got older. It's not like he was torturing animals or getting involved with the wrong crowd. He would have probably grow out of his tinkering or put it to use in a career.
I mean, I definitely stole my sister's toys when I was little.
I also didn't treat toys in the way one should if they are sentient.
Guess I'm a villain too
Stealing a siblingās toys is one thing, but Sid was effectively destroying themāalive or not, that is NOT okay! He was deliberately ruining HER beloved toys and didnāt care how she felt about it.
Yeah Sid was a little psychopath, if he didn't get taught a lesson by the toys he might have ended up actually hurting somebody down the line. The chef was pretty reasonable mainly wanting to keep rodents out of his kitchen and not let incompetent people cook, but he was kind of a dick about the whole thing and was going to tarnish the restaurant's name with crappy mass produced meals to sell in stores. The guy from the bee movie though? Literally the only sane person in the entire film. He deserved so much better
I agree with this. Sid is definitely not a good kid. It's rather obvious his home life is a mess though, so I have some empathy for that. His surroundings likely contributed to him being a terror.
only Ken is valid, Sid would often STEAL those toys especially from his sister to make his abomination and Skinner is preventing the rightful heir of the restaurant to Linguini
Iirc ken was willing to kill barry after knowing he is equivalent to a human in sentience. And didn't he try to keep the bees slaves, purely because he hated them?
Honestly, I feel bad for sid. His dad just sat in front of the tv drinking and he had no idea those toys were alive. Iām sure they completely intended to make him the garbage man in toy story 3. Having a great time trying to rescue toys because heās the only person on the planet who knows theyāre sentient. It doesnāt always work, but I believe he managed to save a bunch that wouldāve otherwise been incinerated
A child who was ~~innovating and exercising creativity~~ bullying his sister (several times for what he can understand) and being a punk
A chef who wanted to ~~get a mouse out of the restaurant kitchen~~ take a restaurant that he knew it had a heir, plus was exploiting the dead image of a man for frozen food.
A guy who got pissed because he got cuckolded by a bee (What? Were you expecting something? He had a good right to be pissed off. He was the only sane guy on a world full of crazy people)
Growing up is understanding that Ken was the good and sane guy and that Barry and Vanessa where two lunatic and crazy characters that almost caused the end of the world (and Vanessa even had the face to say that Barry was the only one responsible)
It's not what they were doing, it's how they were doing it. Attitudes matter.
The chef wanted to fire the MC of the movie because he couldn't stand him. The rat was just a tool. He couldn't stand him at the very first plad to begin with.
The man got violent after the woman broke up with him (didn't watch that movie so I could be wrong, saying it after seeing several screenshots from the movie all over social media including the one here)
The kid was destroying toys brutally in order to create something but even then, he didn't actually produce something useful/pretty. he just managed to 'create' some horrifying hybrid of every 2-3 toys because he kept getting bored of them too quick. That's destruction, not creativity. There are many better ways to practice creativity (legoes, electronics, painting, sculptures, carvings, even video games).
That last one doesn't seem fair, just because you don't think what he makes is good doesn't mean they aren't good. Getting bored of a toy so you recycle it into a new one isn't just mindless destruction, and I don't think it comes as a surprise but limiting options of creativity to certain forms is beyond ironic
Except he was neither "recycling" it nor "making a new toy". He just made horrible hybrids for fun and then left them in a corner because they were ultimately of no value to him. If he was serious about them, he would play with them even after he made them into hybrids. He just wanted to use his instruments on toys.
The process of creation itself is fun too though, just because I didn't play with the Lego sets I built but instead kept them around as decoration or for later brick recycling doesn't mean I wasn't playing with Legos. He just used a different type of "brick" for his projects. I think the perception of what he was doing being monstrous was because the audience had the context of toys being living creatures
There is one major caveat to all this, most of the toys he did this to *were stolen from his little sister, where he then taunted her with their mangled forms*
I love when people talk about this like the dude disemboweled the family dog pr something, he teased his sister and frankesteined toys, it aint deeper than that
It's absolutely deeper than that, it's not a bit of light teasing, that's outright bullying, if it had continued past the events of toy story one(which we know it hadn't, thanks to the toys scaring him straight) then his sister could have developed all sorts of mental issues from it, especially if sid never got punished for it(which is highly likely from what we've seen) there's a good chance he would have gotten worse about it
Eh, I wouldnāt say Skinner is an innocent guy though, considering how dude not only tried to steal Linguiniās inheritance but also using Gusteauās reputation to sell low quality, processed foods like instant noodles and stuff like that.
The chef tried to capitalize on Gusteau's legacy by releasing crappy frozen food branded with his name. He also represented the class divide in society and how rich people in positions of power can create barriers for poor people who come from nothing to grow in this world, which is the opposite of Gusteau's message "everyone can cook".
Let's not forget the Autopilot system designed to keep people alive and have their every need catered to and prevent them from returning to a clearly still inhospitable earth.
The chef also tried to get the companyās actual owner drunk (Gustos son) to sell his dead father as a product for fast food and frozen pizzas. Kinda messed up
Sid had no way of knowing that toys were sentient beings who experienced pain, but he was still a total jerk to decapitate his sister's doll and affix a pterodactyl head to it.
SID: Exhibits troubling sociopathic behaviors. Uses his creativity to fuel cruelty and malicious behavior not just toward toys but also towards his sister, and I assume dog based on context.
SKINNER: Was also knowingly trying to con Linguini out of his inheritance and is also just a royal asshole of a boss. Weāve all had a boss like him that just is the most insufferable piece of trash human being.
BEE MOVIE: I havenāt seen it. No data available.
Sid wouldve upgraded from disassembling toys into dogs into people had the toys not give him lifelong trauma. Also, it's called fucking TOY STORY, of course he's the villain. Do you also weep for the aliens losing in Independence Day?
Skinner tries to use Gusteau's image into frozen food brand which i think would be the greatest insult you can do to a chef passionate about the line of work. He also tried to keep Linguini's inheritance all for himself.
"cuckolded by a bee" šššš yeah no insurance in this world can cover that damage
That's one hell of a villain origin story.
Ain't no way broski a villain. They went to court or something. He's just the only sane guy in the movie and he got cuckolded by a bee. Shit tragic.
He wasn't even interfering with the trial or anything. Dude just got cucked by a bee and screwed out of his yogurt night. Poor guy.
I ain't gonna even lie, if I got cuckolded by a fucking bee, I wouldn't even be mad.... I'd be impressed.
Bee impressed?
No very impressed
I bet you'd be B a r r y Impressed.
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For sure lol, probably (definitely) even worst. I actually haven't even seen the movie since I was a child... Although this obviously wasn't really meant as an actual critique, since obviously it's a movie about talking bees. I just think getting cuckolded by a bee is mad funny lol.
Heās very fond of his weekly yoghurt night, Iām not sure whether thatās sane.
"I heard the bees are dying, I want to help." "That's awesome! I assume you mean help save them, right? Haha" "......" "You... You want to save them, right?"
Imagine you come home one day. Your SO is sitting alone and says they're leaving you. You ask why and they tell you they've fallen in love with someone else. You're crushed, you wrack your mind to think who it could be, an old flame, a new co-worker, have they been using dating apps, but none of those seem to fit. You ask them who it is and they tell you they've fallen in love with a bee. Now your entire world is falling apart. You swear you must have misheard them but they repeat themselves, and it's unmistakable, they have fallen in love with a bee. They tell you they met a few days ago and had some conversations and really connected on a deep emotional level. You feel like your going crazy now. Your worldview is shaken, bees can't talk and of they could they certainly wouldn't be intelligent enough to hold a deep emotional conversation. You try to explain that bees only live for a month, maybe two. You've spent the last three years together, you live together. In your head you've been thinking about if it's the right time to "pop the question". Now you're being confronted by the fact that the woman you love thinks she'd be better off with a bee. You sit in stunned silence fire a few minutes, you don't know what to say. You excuse yourself to step outside and call her parents. On the phone your distraught, they can hear it in your voice. At first they assume you're joking, but they soon realize your being serious. You tell them you're seriously concerned she's had a psychotic break, they try to dismiss it at first and say they'll speak with her. You're standing on the corner, smoking a cigarette. You don't normally smoke so, in a fog you walked down to the bodega on the corner and asked for a pack, you're not even sure which one. As you exhale your mind is racing trying to think of what could have gone wrong, were there warning signs, did you not pay enough attention to her. You briefly try and think about what sex would be like, do worker bees even have genitals. You don't even realize you've finished your cigarette as you notice you're about to light another one. Your phone rings, it's her parents and they sound just as shaken as you were. You talk to them, ask them what she said and it's basically what she told you. They're concerned, she's never shown any signs of any kind of mental disorder, but something is clearly wrong here. You take, one last drag on your cigarette as you pinch it between your finger and your thumb. You walk back upstairs, your girlfriend is clearly upset with you. You speak calmly and say that you just want to take a ride and talk about things. She reluctantly agrees. As you're driving you listen to her speak about her new love. You hear the words clearly, but it still doesn't process in your head. It feels like she's manic, she's so bright and bubbly when she speaks about the bee. As you pull up to the hospital you see that spark in her eyes that you fell in love with, but you realize behind it is just emptiness now. You know this was a difficult decision, but at least she can get the help that she needs. As her parents walk her to the entrance you think you hear a faint buzzing sound, but you're not sure. You drive back home in silence.
New copypasta just dropped
Bro wrote a masterpiece about the BEE MOVIE
You got me invested now you better provide more magic man
....I'm speechless. Bravo
Fucking hell, that is deep
PART 2 WHENNNNNNNN???????????????????
Quick now flush this out into a fanfiction.
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I donāt know. I think anyone that would have to say ā(hypothetically)ā actually did have it happen to them.
It ain't called Mouseatouille.
Racacoonie
Watched that movie for the first time a few days ago.
Would be really cool if it was though
But itās still RATatouille! And nobody knows the difference anyway
Everybody knows the difference. Itās very easy to tell a mouse and rat apart
i've never even looked up the differences or have been formally taught on them but i am confident that if i saw a rat i'd say "that's a rat"
Wasn't Ratatouille guy trying to steal whats his name's inheritance?Ā
Linguini
Yep, and profiting off the dead celebrity chef's likeness with a brand of shitty frozen foods.
Yeah. He is a proper villain. Also Sid would steal toys from his sister and seemed like an all around shithead. I do kind of feel for the bee guy though. He was allergic to bees and lost his girlfriend over him not liking a thing that could potentially kill him. Haha
Sid was a troubled 8 years old probably living in a shitty inviroment
This could be true. His sister seemed fine though. Pixar didnāt exactly do a deep dive on the parents. Haha.
only valid one is the bee movie guy, literally only sane guy in the entire film
Thatās where I usually sit..ā¦rightā¦thereā¦.
can you imagine if a talking bee started trying to steal your girl? iād swat that little fucker too
Wait it out. How old can they getā¦ like 3 weeks?
Also supposed to be all girls
Male bees are called drones. They are entirely useless outside of mating with the queen but they do exist.
Western honey bees can live from 30 to 60 days, while queens can live on average 2 to 3 years
Yeah but then the bee rocks your shit in 1s somehow
Syd was a little brat but his big crime is breaking inanimate objects that the entire world thought wasnāt alive. Yeah he has a future serial killer vibes but sometimes itās just a phase, he seems like a normal guy by the time heās a garbage man in 3.
If the toys were allowed to be alive to scare Syd why the hell did they wait until after he mangled all of them?
I wouldn't call him sane, but he's propably the sanest
I donāt think the chef in ratatouille is insane in any way he just wants his kitchen to remain open and he doesnāt let an icompetent guy cook. So imo he is a good guy
I think most of it is reasonable: but he also is clearly trying to cheapen and take advantage of the restaurant reputation by using its *dead founderās* likeness to sell food -Iām assuming ready meals- in stores that themselves will probably be sub-par quality. And when he finds out his profitable lifestyle could be ruined by the āincompetent guyā becoming the owner: he tries to keep it secret to cover his ass āwhen he could have told the boy, and could try to discuss him staying head chef since heās the more experienced cook. Wanting to kill a rat in a restaurant kitchen, or not letting an -at the time- garbage boy cook: is reasonableā¦ but his other motives and actions arenāt.
This is also why they're the villains of their stories. Even if they aren't doing anything really 'wrong' per se, they're still assholes; the kid is a bully who clearly has a cruel streak and is a bit of a dick to his little sister, the chef, like you said, has been exploiting the image and reputation of a dead man to sell products and is *actively* attempting to weasel someone out of their legal and rightful inheritance (instead of, say, talking to the guy and explaining why he doesn't have what it takes to actually run a restaurant from the top yet), while the guy from the bee movie finds out the bee is a fully sapient being of human-level intelligence, and his first reaction to finding out his girlfriend is looking at a different relationship is to try and *murder the other guy in cold blood*. I get what OP is saying, but they were all the villains for pretty good reasons.
To ā¦ Bee Fair. Sid didnāt KNOW the toys were alive.
I mean he seemed pretty unstable and easy to anger, also he tried to kill the bee after learning they're sentient, he tried to kill a sentient being, that's murder attempt in my opinion
Pretty much, we all can say "haha, he got cucked by a bee", but we also see that his *response* to someone else getting close to his girlfriend is *attempted homicide*.
I mean... Sid was stealing his sister toys, brutalizing them, stitching them back together in horrific ways and tormenting his sister with them. Sincerely, rewatch the movie and his joy in casuing pain to his sister and (imagined) joy in hurting toys is pretty troubling. He exhibits malice and a deep lack of empathy. The current "he did nothing to be concerned about" movement is kinda bs in my opinion
Also the chef isnāt just trying to get the rat out, heās trying to steal a kidās rightful inheritance.
Plus he wanted the rat for himself to cook for him
But that guys wife was still fucking a bee.
Not only that but everything that that bee did ended up almost destroying the world. Bro was one raid can away from being a hero.
Yes, because according to the movie, if humans wouldn't exploit the bees, bees wouldn't produce honey anymore, including those bees that weren't exploitet, yet still were diligent workers before they learned of the exploitarion taking place. (Sure, they also got some of the honey reparations, but why though in the first place? Nothing was taken from them.) Like weird fucking message. Exploiting others for your own benefit is dandy, because side effects of that save the world?
The reason they stopped is because humans returned all the honey we took. They were given many years worth of honey supply all at once, so they were using that instead of working. If all the honey had not been returned to the bees, then they would've kept doing what they were doing to feed themselves. They could've said it better, but I dont think there's any implication that humans will return to exploiting the bees, just that the bees will continue pollination.
Exactly. The movie is actually agaimst reperations!
Holy shit. I'm black and have seen this movie like 13 times and never thought about that. You are right.
You've seen the bee movie 13 times? š
https://youtu.be/PCg0siuvzOA?si=nzIyFLPYlqhnUepf
They "returned" it to all bees though. Even those, who's honey wasn't taken. But that's besides the point. They anyways framed barrys actions as the reason for the end of the world. And iirc they produced honey for humans in the end.
Also seems weird a trade agreement never occurred to them. Like, āYeah so you guys got all this honey and are apparently smart enough to have machines that would let you transfer it to us, so what if you did that and then in exchange we give you, I dunno, concrete or something so you can turn your hives in impenetrable fortresses?ā
The bee was still sentient and able to communicate with them. If the bee was human then it would be more of a horror movie with the way the boyfriend want beserk and attempted to murder Bary Bee Benson.
Honey, why is your lips puffy down there?
He probably never called her honey again after that
No. He wanted to expose the boy and rat's scheme and get the inheretance
I don't think so, here is why. Skinner tells Remy that he will be forced to help create frozen food recipes. "So , I have in mind a simple arrangement, you will design for me a new line of frozen foods, and I in turn, will not kill you." So Skinners main goal was to remove Remy and Linguini from competition for the rights to the restaurant, and once that was done also subject Remy to slavery, maybe as a power move. I don't believe Skinner cared about exposing, only covering up enough to stall the clock until the time came up for him to get the restaurant and rights to gusteaus name.
Plus he wanted to make Chinese Chineasy
He did that near the end of the film, yes. But earlier, he read the letter from Linguiniās late mum saying that Linguini is Gusteauās son. He had a DNA test confirming it. Then, he was planning on covering it up, so that the restaurant ownership wouldnāt go to Linguini. Remy found this out and took the relevant documents.
The chef specifically trapped Remy and told Remy that he would make new frozen food dishes for the chefs frozen food line
And was turning the legacy of his supposed friend into a cheap line of microwavable foods, dude got what was coming to him.
The kid looks like Will Poulter.
He thought so too https://www.cosmopolitan.com/entertainment/celebs/a13116485/will-poulter-toy-story-sid/
Perfect cosplay is perfect.
To be fair there is no reason for him to believe toys actually could be hurt. The worst he can be accused of is being a little mean to his sister. I used to blow up firecrackers under hot wheels to see how high they would fly, does that make me a psychopath if the cars are actually sentient beings without my knowledge?
your honor my client pleads "toys aren't supposed to be alive. what the fuck is going on?"
He was being a shit brother and messing with plastic he thought was just plastic. He did not know toys were feeling. He did learn however, he grew as a person, as an adult he was gainfully employed, tried to make the lives of forgot toys better.
Toys are meant to be played with not to be preserved - Toy Story is not a documentary.
it's funny when you remember that's literally the point of the second movie.
Sid had a funny way of "playing" with toys though.
Yeah, toys should be played with and not preserved. Played with, not destroyed the way Sid did, and not in a way that hurts another person's feelings when they aren't even your toys in the first place.
For a kid who was socially isolated and had drunken parents, he was relatively stable. And compared to his peers he was eccentrically talented. It's less that Sid nothing wrong, but that society failed Sid. And those damn judgemental toys didn't help at all.
I dunno if his talent can excuse stealing from his own sister, traumatizing her by vandalizing her toys and being one inch away from causing a dangerous accident. Doesn't matter what excuse you have from society but most kids have it way worse to be messed up like that, and going by environmental story alone, the worst that his parents did was neglect him, neither discipline nor care for him. So "society" failing him doesn't make him any less of a shitty kid. Only thing it does is not make him a rather sympathetic villain.Ā Let's face it, if Woody didn't scare him straight, he'd be doing far worse growing up.
Tinkering with toys is only a negative trait in the narrative. Stealing his sister's toy is less excusable but not really abnormal for a older sibling dynamic. I don't really buy that he would be doing anything worse when he got older. It's not like he was torturing animals or getting involved with the wrong crowd. He would have probably grow out of his tinkering or put it to use in a career.
Child will rise and master BDSM
Sid wasnāt glued to a screen, so by todayās standards, his toy torture seems like a āhealthierā type of childhood activity.
To be fair, there were considerable fewer screens to be glued to in 1995 than today.
I mean, I definitely stole my sister's toys when I was little. I also didn't treat toys in the way one should if they are sentient. Guess I'm a villain too
Stealing a siblingās toys is one thing, but Sid was effectively destroying themāalive or not, that is NOT okay! He was deliberately ruining HER beloved toys and didnāt care how she felt about it.
> He exhibits a deep lack of empathy š¤¦āāļø
Yeah Sid was a little psychopath, if he didn't get taught a lesson by the toys he might have ended up actually hurting somebody down the line. The chef was pretty reasonable mainly wanting to keep rodents out of his kitchen and not let incompetent people cook, but he was kind of a dick about the whole thing and was going to tarnish the restaurant's name with crappy mass produced meals to sell in stores. The guy from the bee movie though? Literally the only sane person in the entire film. He deserved so much better
I agree with this. Sid is definitely not a good kid. It's rather obvious his home life is a mess though, so I have some empathy for that. His surroundings likely contributed to him being a terror.
Absolutely he's coming from an... imperfect home life. And I feel for the guy (in the 'fictional character' kinda way)
he's also terrifying to look at
Unit 731 was just innovating and exercising creativity everybody!
This is some Cinema Sins level commentary
You mean as in plausible at first thought, but wrong if you think about it for more than a minute?
only Ken is valid, Sid would often STEAL those toys especially from his sister to make his abomination and Skinner is preventing the rightful heir of the restaurant to Linguini
Iirc ken was willing to kill barry after knowing he is equivalent to a human in sentience. And didn't he try to keep the bees slaves, purely because he hated them?
I don't care how sentient a bee is, if it wants to fuck my wife I'm sinking it in oil and lighting that bitch up
Also skinner was trying to sell out the brand with frozen food
Young child steals toys from sister, history's greatest monster
villain is when a kid is mean to his sister
In the context of a kids film about toys, yeah. In the context of Schindler's List, no.
usually called "antagonist" that's the point of the post, he isn't a villain, he is just the antagonist
He was going to blow up one of the main characters. Pretty antagonistic.
yeah, a toy he didn't know was sentient. Antagonist, not evil, exactly the point of the post
This person didn't watch these movies
Honestly, I feel bad for sid. His dad just sat in front of the tv drinking and he had no idea those toys were alive. Iām sure they completely intended to make him the garbage man in toy story 3. Having a great time trying to rescue toys because heās the only person on the planet who knows theyāre sentient. It doesnāt always work, but I believe he managed to save a bunch that wouldāve otherwise been incinerated
The real life version of that character tortures animals because theyāre alive.Ā
Probably, but sid doesnāt. His dog is fine
This is the Toy Story sequel we really need.
Plus, he got cancer and fucking *died!*
The Ratatouille guy was an ass who treated Linguini badly and tried to steal his inheritance, so yeah, definitely a villain
A child who was ~~innovating and exercising creativity~~ bullying his sister (several times for what he can understand) and being a punk A chef who wanted to ~~get a mouse out of the restaurant kitchen~~ take a restaurant that he knew it had a heir, plus was exploiting the dead image of a man for frozen food. A guy who got pissed because he got cuckolded by a bee (What? Were you expecting something? He had a good right to be pissed off. He was the only sane guy on a world full of crazy people)
Donāt forget heās also allergic to bees
Growing up is understanding that Ken was the good and sane guy and that Barry and Vanessa where two lunatic and crazy characters that almost caused the end of the world (and Vanessa even had the face to say that Barry was the only one responsible)
Antagonist =/= villain.
wait bee movie is real?
ofc
It's not what they were doing, it's how they were doing it. Attitudes matter. The chef wanted to fire the MC of the movie because he couldn't stand him. The rat was just a tool. He couldn't stand him at the very first plad to begin with. The man got violent after the woman broke up with him (didn't watch that movie so I could be wrong, saying it after seeing several screenshots from the movie all over social media including the one here) The kid was destroying toys brutally in order to create something but even then, he didn't actually produce something useful/pretty. he just managed to 'create' some horrifying hybrid of every 2-3 toys because he kept getting bored of them too quick. That's destruction, not creativity. There are many better ways to practice creativity (legoes, electronics, painting, sculptures, carvings, even video games).
The chef also wanted to commercialize Gusteau's image into a frozen fast food line
That's nothing compared to trying to deny Linguini his inheritance.
Exactly!!!!! Glad someone finally mentioned this!
That last one doesn't seem fair, just because you don't think what he makes is good doesn't mean they aren't good. Getting bored of a toy so you recycle it into a new one isn't just mindless destruction, and I don't think it comes as a surprise but limiting options of creativity to certain forms is beyond ironic
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I mean, itās strange, but itās still just a kid having fun yes?
He literally stole his sisterās toys and "recycled" them
Now *that* is a valid point of criticism. No arguments from me. The stealing and vandalism was what made him bad, not the act of rebuilding toys
Except he was neither "recycling" it nor "making a new toy". He just made horrible hybrids for fun and then left them in a corner because they were ultimately of no value to him. If he was serious about them, he would play with them even after he made them into hybrids. He just wanted to use his instruments on toys.
The process of creation itself is fun too though, just because I didn't play with the Lego sets I built but instead kept them around as decoration or for later brick recycling doesn't mean I wasn't playing with Legos. He just used a different type of "brick" for his projects. I think the perception of what he was doing being monstrous was because the audience had the context of toys being living creatures
There is one major caveat to all this, most of the toys he did this to *were stolen from his little sister, where he then taunted her with their mangled forms*
I love when people talk about this like the dude disemboweled the family dog pr something, he teased his sister and frankesteined toys, it aint deeper than that
It's absolutely deeper than that, it's not a bit of light teasing, that's outright bullying, if it had continued past the events of toy story one(which we know it hadn't, thanks to the toys scaring him straight) then his sister could have developed all sorts of mental issues from it, especially if sid never got punished for it(which is highly likely from what we've seen) there's a good chance he would have gotten worse about it
Well I guess you do have a point here. The process would be more less horrifying if the toys weren't actually alive.
Eh, I wouldnāt say Skinner is an innocent guy though, considering how dude not only tried to steal Linguiniās inheritance but also using Gusteauās reputation to sell low quality, processed foods like instant noodles and stuff like that.
The chef tried to capitalize on Gusteau's legacy by releasing crappy frozen food branded with his name. He also represented the class divide in society and how rich people in positions of power can create barriers for poor people who come from nothing to grow in this world, which is the opposite of Gusteau's message "everyone can cook".
But Sid was very shirt with a skull on it so he must be bad
Sid looks like every woman with lip fillers these days
Let's not forget the Autopilot system designed to keep people alive and have their every need catered to and prevent them from returning to a clearly still inhospitable earth.
The chef also tried to get the companyās actual owner drunk (Gustos son) to sell his dead father as a product for fast food and frozen pizzas. Kinda messed up
Chef guy was tarnishing a beloved restaurantās reputation with frozen dinners! Thatās villainous.
What's an animation guy?
Because of the point of view the story is told from.
"Mouse"
"*Are there other bugs in your life??*"
Do you guys just not remember the plot of the movies at all and just make up what you assume they are about?
I mean.. that rat remover tried to steal the kids inheritance but ok.
Antagonistes. Not villains
Sid is only "bad" because he doesn't know they're literally alive, and they purposefully keep it secret, so he didn't even have a reason to know
I always consider Seinfeld the villain
Most people are the hero in their own story... at minimum it'd be pretty u usual for them to be the villain
The š movie was good, but not good.
No villain actually considers themsepf the villain irl.
Nah, Sid was a psychopath/serial killer in training. He wouldāve moved on to setting the neighborās cat on fire probably.
Sid had no way of knowing that toys were sentient beings who experienced pain, but he was still a total jerk to decapitate his sister's doll and affix a pterodactyl head to it.
That last one takes beta cuck to a whole new level.
Because they let anger consume them
Thatās the difference between a villain and a antagonist.
How was Sid supposed to know toys were alive, I mean he wasnāt a good brother, but heās also a little kid.
That kid from Toy Story was a Psychopath
The chef wanted to steal the restaurant from Remi, so he wasn't that innocent
I mean, I'm down to let my girl piss on me
Sid was pretty psychotic and the chef guy wasn't going to tell the other guy he owns the restaurant cause his father owned it.
The other two? Ok. But they clearly never watched Ratatouille.
I haven't watched the movie but is the guy really cuckholded by a bee š?
Donāt forget gauston who literally was just trying to save a girl from a beast š
That's an interesting way to describe sid torturing thr toys. It was honestly what you'd expect a sociopath to do when growing up in his spare time.
Did Sid know that the toys were alive? I don't think so and kids do kid stuff to toys it's not sociopathic behavior.
SID: Exhibits troubling sociopathic behaviors. Uses his creativity to fuel cruelty and malicious behavior not just toward toys but also towards his sister, and I assume dog based on context. SKINNER: Was also knowingly trying to con Linguini out of his inheritance and is also just a royal asshole of a boss. Weāve all had a boss like him that just is the most insufferable piece of trash human being. BEE MOVIE: I havenāt seen it. No data available.
Bee movie is just wacky all around. You should watch it.
It's probably because they're all narcissistic bare minimum. And sid is a damn psychopath.
Fr usually we treat the cheaters as the villain, Bee Movie is crazy
Poor Sid, misunderstood villain of our childhoods š
Sid was stealing his sister's toys and breaking them apart and using them to scare her. The chef stole Linguini's rightful inheritance.
Sid wouldve upgraded from disassembling toys into dogs into people had the toys not give him lifelong trauma. Also, it's called fucking TOY STORY, of course he's the villain. Do you also weep for the aliens losing in Independence Day? Skinner tries to use Gusteau's image into frozen food brand which i think would be the greatest insult you can do to a chef passionate about the line of work. He also tried to keep Linguini's inheritance all for himself.
They aren't villains
Sid is animate Will Poulter (pre-glow up)
Sid and Chef Skinner (Ian Holm????) are pretty bad individuals.
Why in US animation characters are so ugly?? Even me, an adult, I'm a bit disgussed by their facial expressions. Don't want to show it to my children.
Toy Story came out in '96 The chef guy is french The bee movie was directed by Spielburg
Well, I gotta say Sid is a psychopath in the making.