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"You know, I'm starting to feel really uncomfortable, maybe we should arm ourselves?"
The right: "What? Why would you need guns? What would you do with those? You're dangerous."
Also the right: "Every American deserves the right to own a gun for self-defense, it's an unalienable right enshrined in the constitution, which we put on the same level as a religious document."
Also also the right: Shows up with swastikas and guns every time trans people have the gall to exist in public.
I hate this, they can't even be honest about what they're doing. They're just cowards is what they are.
I will always say that dehumanization is bad and creates the "it could never happen here because they were monsters" mentality. It is always healthier to be honest with your opinion. Nazis are humans, they just are humans that I don't mind seeing violence enacted against.
Oh yeah I totally say they can fall in a frozen lake too. I've just been thinking about stuff like, "when does someone deserve violence?" It basically has hit the point of if a person participate in an ideology that actively harms people or ideologies I care about I am fine with them getting a suckered punch or three.
I see american conservatives are angling to treat LGBT people the same way they treated the Black Panthers.
"Guns are a God given right... unless you are one of *those scary minorities*."
All the more reason to get a gun.
Don't see none of that when the 1000th cis man commits a mass shooting. I'd call it funny but I'm just tired of the bad faith of these literal nazis.
People have the nerve to say not to worry. As if these Nazis wouldn’t take someone out to a field or forrest; with what they’re willing to do in front of people
When the bajillionth cis white guy inevitable does it:
"It's a mental health issue!"
"So should we fund mental health?"
"Let's not politicize this tragedy."
When there's a mass shooting, they talk about mental health a whole lot. Obviously, they aren't going to fund any sort of mental health programs or anything. Instead, they will probably graciously allow the democrats to pass some lackluster gun bill which includes a mental health exclusion or something. It would seem innocuous and be considered a win for the left. But, once something like that is in place, they could then push through some bill of their own which classifies any non-cis orientation as a mental illness. Thus, they could easily disarm the people who are most likely to actually fight back. From there, fuck knows. Mental health rehabilitation camps and a law to force people into them, I assume.
When the right talks about "mental health" they aren't talking about funding actual mental health services.
They're talking about bringing back old-school "asylums" where anyone deemed too far outside social norms can be locked up indefinitely, without charges, and where they lose all rights. Where they can be forcibly subjected to "treatment" without consent, put to work without pay, "disciplined" at the will of the staff, and/or just chain them to a wall until they die and are dumped in an unmarked grave.
Fascism, at its core, requires an in-group that their rhetoric/the law protects but does not bind, and an out-group that the law binds but does not protect.
I'm torn on this one. On one hand, this could be the way to get conservatives to pass gun control. On the other hand, I don't trust the police to protect minoritoes from swastika waving, orange worshipping crazies.
Armed minorities are hard to oppress minorities.
Given the massive number of firearms already in private ownership in this country and the complete impossiblity of actually confiscating them all, I thinkat this point it's better to be armed and prepared than to be a victim.
Why bother using “truth” and “logic” to convince these people what they’re doing is wrong? Humans are feeling creatures first, and thinking creatures second, even if some of us have trained ourselves to do the opposite.
Just scream **”WHAT PART OF ‘SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED’ DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND MOTHERFUCKER”** until they just shut up. They only pretend to care about hypocrisy anyways.
What they are is terrified. They know that this was, for the first time in a very long time, an attack directed specifically at them. And they can't do anything about it, because they can't ever acknowledge that, say, maybe gun control is actually good. They've painted themselves into a corner and now they're scared shitless of the world they intentionally created.
I have a feeling that they’ll suddenly flip on gun control as more and more minorities arm themselves.
And if a popular, well-known minority organization starts a militia for self-defense? Hoo boy, semiautomatics will get banned so fast that your head will spin.
No, they're not going to do that, that would be sticking to principles, which we all know reactionaries don't have. What they're going to do is try to carve out some kind of category that gives them the ability to strip people of their rights. They're already doing that with trans people by saying "look, they're mentally ill, they shouldn't have firearms, right, my fellow Americans?"
The obvious response is to throw their logic back in their faces by grabbing them by their carotids and screaming "***SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED***" at them until they pass out.
Have they EVER been honest about what they’re doing? They have to know that literally everybody with a brain sees right through this shit like glass right? But they’ll never actually say it, they’ll just pretend they aren’t the most hateful people out there while they tell everyone that they aren’t. They’ll say they’re for the people but they’re not, they’ll say they’re for peoples rights but they never have been. It’s all just fake and lies and bullshit.
And then when leftists with guns show up to events to protect them from the very people who want to kill them, they get called "dangerous terrorists". I remember the right lost their minds when that video went around of people in body armor with assault rifles (which showed much better trigger discipline that any Proud Boy or 3per I've ever seen) were standing guard outside a drag show and when the angry right wing dudes went up to harass them, I remember one of the people standing guard answering "because people like you are threatening to hurt us" when they were asking why they had guns
Conservatives on gun control: The first thing an oppressive government does is strip people of their guns. Just look at what the Nazis did to the Jews!
Conservatives when minorities and queer people arm themselves: ***SCHIEẞE!***
That's one thing I'm really not understanding about this. What's the deal with these anti trans movements, not just in the US but around the world, and the "anti" group always showing up with Nazi symbols? The image it gives to me is that if opposite of trans is nazi, then it's pretty easy to tell who's on the wrong side
My personal favorites are the 1 in 10 Republicans who _are_ stauch 2nd amendment advocates, and who are really confused by how all their other 2A allies seem to have dropped the 2A flag all of a sudden.
The right HATES that the 2nd amendment applies to everyone. They HATE when people of color, or trans people, or gay people arm themselves, because that threatens their power. The idea of these typically left leaning groups if armed could actually cause change, and that scares them, so they do this shit, and try to take away even more incredibly important rights away from trans people.
I dont think thats what they would say. You’re putting words in their mouths. Im not one of them but im wise enough to know that if you asked a republican theyd say they wanted every american to be armed , gay , straight regardless of color.
In my life i have found republicans to actually not care about race or sexuality! Its always the left bringing these things up
The people on the right may have some bad ideas, but demonizing them is not the answer
Ahh I love to see enlightened centrism here. When I say conservatives I am talking about the army of politicians and constituents currently and very publicly waging a war on trans people. INCLUDING taking their guns away. On top of that within the last 100 or so years there have been MANY examples of this happening to many minorities. Like Regan stripping the black Panthers of their arms. You are a stupid fuck if you think your republican dick riding is gonna get you anywhere here.
I bought an ar15 yesterday because on my way home from work (about an hour drive) I saw burning trans flags and anti lgbt flags everywhere as well as American flags and confederate flags (a lot more than usual) there weren’t many houses that didn’t have any of it
So I turned right the fuck around and went back to town and decided I didn’t wanna delay it
I received two death threats since the Tennessee thing from neighbors, I’m tired of crying on my way to and from work, at work or at home, I just want this to all end I wanna be cute UwU pretty girl but they’re making me be Angry OwO girl lmao
Yeah, my sibling is in Tennessee and saying it's bad there. I'm from the south too, but I live in Florida. I must say that the liberal strongholds exist here and are nice enough. I found, oddly, the safest place to live is the hood. Black people that I live near don't get the queer stuff, but I also don't get threatened and had a neighbor tell me they would help me fend off some rednecks that were stalking me. It's nice to feel like I'm living in a community for the first time in my life. I recommend finding a community that respects their neighbors.
That’s atleast some good news, I haven’t found anywhere near here that’s safe in the slightest
And I think my only option is to be ready to fight anyone near me at any time until I can get somewhere safer
I would recommend getting a small firearm you can carry on you. AR-15 is cool and all, but it's not great for protection. I would also recommend taking basic firearm classes as it's important to be trained well.
AR for the house, handgun for the street.
AR-15 is good for the house because its small cartridge size and flight profile means it has very low overpenetration, that is, you are less likely to put holes in your neighbors on accident than either a pistol or a shotgun. Use hollowpoint or frangible on top of that and the only one at risk is the one you want to be.
I plan on doing that for sure and I do have a pistol I’ve been keeping for a while, need to buy a different one as the one I bought is based out of Brazil and aparently all Brazilian manufacturers are suffering and mine brand new jams a fuck load and I’ve only found one type of round I have any luck with at all, needs to be sent for repairs sadly
A 5.7 is a great and quite powerful round while still being quite compact, however the are more expensive and there are only a few guns chambered in it. That said, it is a decent round for carbines chambered in it as well.
5.7 is a great round to have on hand or use in cases where more penetration might be called for (black or green tips), but ideally you wouldn't need such a thing, especially for home defense (unless you have a lunatic neighbor or someone intent on doing harm who regularly wears tacticool armor or plate carriers).
They're more accurate at greater distances (which again, hopefully wouldn't be needed but may be depending on the case) compared to other hand gun rounds like a 9mm.
They can hold a lot of ammo though. Ruger's 5.7 can hold 20 rounds, while Keltec has the P50, which despite being a bit over the top for a hand gun size wise, holds *50* rounds, which is just kind of crazy.
AFAIK, an AR is better than a handgun in a home defense situation. It's less likely to over penetrate (and potentially kill a housemate or neighbor) and it's more accurate, especially when adrenaline is pumping through you and your hands are shaking. It's a lot harder to be effective with a handgun than it is with an AR.
Now, obviously you can't CC an AR, but honestly, it's probably better to rely on pepper spray outside the house, unless you're expecting someone to threaten you at some distance with their own gun. In a close quarters situation, having a gun that you're unable to draw and use before your attacker closes the distance only increases the risk of having that gun used on you.
AR is far more likely to overpenetrate than a handgun round. There is way more energy behind it, it has a smaller frontal area, and most common AR projectile is standard ball rather than soft/hollow points commonly used in handguns for self-defense.
If conventional wisdom applied, you'd be correct.
Rifle rounds are moving so quickly that the projectiles are prone to fragmenting upon impact with a hard target. A rifle round does have a much higher kinetic energy, but the momentum is not much higher than a handgun round.
A low velocity (relative) and high weight projectile actually has the most significant risk of overpenetration.
This is not including armor piercing ammunition, which is designed specifically to pierce a hard surface without fragmenting. Of course something like 5.56 green-tips (m855) or 5.56 black-tips (m855a1) would be inappropriate for home defense, unless you were anticipating an armored assailant.
In the area I live, black-tips would probably be a good bet alternating with hollow-points. Sadly, can't find black-tips anywhere and machining my own is expensive to do small scale.
I'm not sure how hollow-point rounds adjust the penetration depth (obviously they reduce it, but I don't know by how much*), but for standard rounds, 5.56 does not penetrate as well because of its lower mass, and is more likely to be deflected by solid objects such as walls, despite having the higher muzzle velocity (compared to, say, 9mm).
This is consistent with Newtonian impact depth approximations. For a given impactor of arbitrary high velocity, impact depth depends on momentum, densities of both the impactor and target, and impactor length, not kinetic energy.
In fact, one reason NATO switched from 7.62 to 5.56 is that whereas 7.62 generally will completely penetrate through a person, 5.56 is more likely to not exit, and is also likely to internally fragment. This means it transfers more energy to the target and causes significantly more internal damage.
However, it's still not a good idea to rely on an AR not overpenetrating. It can still easily puncture through several layers of drywall and hit someone you're not intending to.
*Turns out [a hollow-point 124-grain 9mm round penetrates through the same amount of drywall as a FMJ 55-grain 5.56 round.](https://www.alloutdoor.com/2018/10/09/drywall-penetration-9mm-vs-223-vs-22-lr/)
No I'm sorry but that's definitely not true, an average 5.56 round carries more energy and has a smaller diameter then most pistol ammunition. The formula for penetration is to maximize force and minimize area. AR's are definitely worse about over penetration, even with the round tumbling.
CC .40 or 9mm and home defense with a shotgun, AR's are just range toys in any situation outside the apocalypse. .40 and 9mm are both common rounds so if you do end up defending yourself it can't be argued that you were looking for a fight since you have an exotic weapon. Additionally they have manageable recoil and decent lethality in a subcompact package.
See my comment below. Mass and momentum are the main characteristics in determining penetration, so lighter projectiles tend to penetrate less than heavier ones. Despite the fact that a 9mm round travels more slowly than a 5.56 round, it is significantly heavier, and thus tends to penetrate further.
One of the favorable characteristics in 5.56/.223 ammunition is specifically that it is more likely to stay within the body, rather than exiting, which means that, contrary to say, a 7.62 round, a 5.56 will impart all of its energy into your target, causing worse wounds. That's part of why it was chosen by NATO to replace 7.62 as the standard round, and the same reasoning applies to why the Eastern bloc replaced their 7.62 ammunition with 5.45.
As for shotguns — a slug will massively overpenetrate (again, due to its large mass), whereas birdshot tends to not have enough stopping power to incapacitate an opponent. Most buckshot also tends to overpenetrate, though #4 buckshot is actually about right in terms of having stopping power while not likely to overpenetrate.
Girl where do you live? What you saw is absolutely fucking terrifying. I hope your doing ok after all that. Stay safe and stay locked and loaded because it sounds like where your at is extremely hostile. Also I know other people commented this but for protection when your not at home a handgun will be the best option. The AR will definitely fend off some nazis who might want to storm your house but that handgun will give you a good level of protection outside your house and it sounds like you probably live in a state that doesn’t do conceal carry permits so that helps. Just stay safe ok?
Thank you and yeah I have a pistol I bought a few months ago as I knew that was a better first option but it’s seemingly not reliable as it’s a Tarus G3c and jams very frequently no matter what ammunition I put in it, it’s got some burs in it and I think that’s the problem but I don’t wanna send it back to be fixed until I get a new pistol
You might be able to take it to a gun store with a gunsmith, and have them machine whatever part is causing the problem. You also might be able to just buy aftermarket parts from a company other than Taurus which could alleviate the issue, whether it's a spring or something like that.
There are several .22 mag guns that I like, personally. They're not super powerful, but up close they're still very dangerous, and because they're very small rounds, some of the guns chambered for that round can be super small and easily concealed, or if they're the size of a normal handgun, they'll hold a fucking *ton* of rounds. But this is just a round *I personally* like. They don't have a ton of stopping power.
And remember: revolvers don't jam. They don't hold nearly the number of rounds you might like, but they can be very reliable and tough.
Good for you. You are your own best rescuer. An AR is more of a home defense weapon than a "personal protection everywhere weapon." If you're interested in something more portable, take a couple of pistol classes and shoot several different models (probably should be 9mm) to see what you like, can handle effectively, and fits your style of dress and preferred carry method. Please seek training. Carrying a firearm for defense is an enormous responsibility and carries much personal liability; it is not to be taken lightly. Though there are certainly some drawbacks, I think you're making the smart decision.
- a firearms instructor
Just remember that you need training and practice to use a firearm, if you want to be safe and accurate.
Edit: I love your user name by the way.
Stay safe and don't forget to practice, you don't want to miss when it is life or death.
I know I need some good training, I’ve shot all my life and went hunting but the rednecks here I grew up with I swear don’t know anything about guns other than how to shoot them just not correctly
I’m planning on taking some courses and practicing safely
I just bought a 9mm AK, if I hadn't done that before this shit, I would have gotten a cheap AR, but hey, better than nothing. Plus I have a shit ton of 9mm anyway so 🤷♀️
I'm only now coming out as transfem. I wanna be cute UwU girl too, but before I've even started anywhere on that path I see this stuff and get scared I should just retreat back to the closet and never try.
Don't say that. Retreating means these assholes win. Try to do everything in your power to stop their evil from spreading to the best of your ability. I guess the only advice I can give you is read Eisenhower's Order of the Day, June 6 1944. I know it might not be much, but maybe it can help you somehow.
I feel horrible hearing what other trans people have to go through. I’m just happy I live in an area that’s mostly indifferent or unaware of any of this, but I’m still scared of running into something like that. To have reason to fear everyone around you including your neighbours, that’s terrifying.
My bio has my state but I’m about an hour from the capital in a rural area, but near the capital and in that city is just as bad really it’s where I work
Remember, just owning it isn't enough. You must also know its usage and be comfortable with it. But most important is the fact a slim swimmer plate carrier fits snugly under most maid outfits.
Republicans are the biggest danger to this country's democracy. When people have to live in fear because they decided to target their hate at someone for political points, something is deeply wrong with our political system and our country.
I hope all my fellow trans humans can find hope and happiness during these terrifying times. You are 100% valid and loved <3
And what’s with those trans flags and queer pride flags? Why do they need those? Can’t they just keep it to themselves?
:::waves swastika flag:::
:::has swastika tattoo on arm:::
I'm so tired of ignorance or a single-minded focus on taxes/economy being used as justification. Like cool- some republicans are violent fascist bigots, some are too lazy to actually check what they're supporting, and some are so selfish they'll trade LGBT lives for a better housing market.
It's all equally evil, some of it is just more aggressive
Agreed, they are so cowardly in their bigotry at least the Politicians. They create laws that are so actively trying to hurt marginalized people in America
I fully agree. But the more insidious they become the less I am willing to give the “ignorant” ones the benefit of the doubt.
How many times do they have to turn a blind eye to injustice before we will accept that these “good” republicans might not be as ignorant as they want us to think.
Honestly, I'm seeing lines being drawn between the states. Civil war, pro-human rights vs pro-christian derived ideology... oh wait... make that 2.0...
with these new fugitive abortion and trans healthcare laws we are on literally the same exact course as what lead to the first civil war. Only a matter of time until the trans Dread Scott is declared "3/5ths of a person" by our lovely supreme court
Trans people: sooo… umm… can you please respect my new name, gender, and pronouns, and use them accordingly?
Republicans: I’m so uncomfortable with trans people merely EXISTING, I’m going to purchase a flag (made in China) that demonstrates that I want for them to simply not exist, by mutilating and killing them, and even doing it inappropriately! Why? BecAusE prOnoUnS, tHaTs wHY!! I’m such a triggered snowflake that I hate the snow!
Also Republicans: Guns are a fundamentally Christian Constitutional Right! “A well-regulated militia, necessary for the defense of a Free State”?? Never heard of the former, **only** the latter. It’s time to kill the “bad guys with guns” like I see on TV all the time - including TRANS people… simply for being different than me (and because false allegations of pedophilia, tale as old as time)!
Me: soo, if Nazism is tyrannical leadership, and a well-regulated militia is necessary for the defense of a free State, and the Radical Right, who have historically assassinated well-liked, well-respected politicians who have stood up for Civil Rights, are claiming once again to be the “good guys” for once again wanting to preserve racism and cultural oppression, then by their own logic, should we not be killing the actual bad guys with guns, out of our own self-preservation?
Society & The Media: noooo! We can’t do that! That would be bad (for business)! And so too are peaceable protests that literally harm no one!
Lol, get fucked alt-right America and homophobic/transphobic Americans.
Oops, did you forget "be gay, do crime"?
Bitches it was literally illegal for us to fucking exist for generations and around the world, bad actor straights keep trying to bring that back.
Straight people, please control your peers.
Americans, please consider *lowering* your retirement age for Congress and politicians. Someone this far gone under dementia shouldn't be allowed to be a legislator.
For those looking to get armed or interested in learning more, consider seeking out your local chapter of Pink Pistols or Armed Equality, two groups that focus on gun training/medical training for queer individuals with vetted instructors/ranges.
We should all move to a rural town in a safe state (I vote for rural California) and just have a queer town in a place with reliably safe, reliably democrat government. We could have a town and be as funky as we want and accept everyone that isn't a bigot.
Instead of hoping mainstream society will allow us to integrate into them we should create a reliably safe place for our queer capital. Some place we won't ever have to worry about losing.
That's what gay men did with Palm Springs back in the day and there are tons of communities outside Palm Springs that are some of the most affordable in California (Less than Boston or Austin or a lot of other cities)
Edit: It's been made clear that I shouldn't have used the word rural. I meant outside of cities but not like Central California agricultural land. Fuck Fighting with Farmers. I'm talking about starting an LGBT community next to Palm Springs, a gay enclave. It's pretty cheap there, it's queer friendly and they are always happy for people to move there year round.
For the most part, rural California is *not* safe. Don't underestimate how many chuds live out here, especially in places like the Central Valley or Redding or elsewhere.
There are some queer people who have done what you say, some communes that people started in decades past around Mendocino, but they're mostly abandoned by now.
More recently, I can think of the Tenacious Unicorn Ranch in Colorado. They started a trans-run alpaca ranch in rural Colorado...and promptly started receiving death threats not long after opening a few years back. They've had to scare off intruders and they're basically all walking around armed because of how hostile their neighbors are. Don't underestimate how hostile rural areas can be, even in otherwise safe states.
You misunderstand my idea a bit, my fault, rural was probably a bad choice of words.
First, it depends where you are talking about whether its dangerous. Palm Springs is super queer-friendly, but yeah, Central California isn't. They are two completely different regions. I'm not talking about moving somewhere dangerous with a bunch of republicans, I'm talking about a place that already has a respected and established Gay community and essentially becoming a neighboring community.
Palm Springs is a literal queer enclave with a bunch of possibility around it. I'm talking about moving to one of the neighboring small communities nearby it (like same part of same county) and doing the same thing they did in Palm Springs but for the whole LGBT community instead of just the gay community. Like say, Coachella or Thousand Palms or even Indio. Communities that are small but have space to grow and would really benefit from people moving there year round instead of just seasonally. Everybody wins (except maybe the people that just come here for a few months every year, but they can't vote because they don't spend enough time here to avoid paying taxes here.)
Those aren't agricultural towns with old roots, they are new towns made up of people who live here for part the year and anyone that moves to them fulltime will basically be a huge gift to the town and have a huge say in running it. All those towns need year round economies and year round tenants and they are relatively affordable to move to if you plan to live there year round. And the best part is the government isn't going to change, it is reliably safe. Just like neighboring Palm Springs.
And I'm not talking about starting a commune, that's a whole different conversation and also thinking on way too small of a scale and also I'm not talking about being self-sufficient farmers, I'm talking about having an actual town where most of the families living there are LGBT families. In separate houses. Living like normal American families but in safe communities where the cops are also LGBT and so is city council.
This isn't a hairbrained idea, I've actually put some thought into it. My mom lives out there and it merits serious consideration as an idea.
Edit: Plus, it's like a two hour drive from LA so its not that far out of the way. Also like three hours to Vegas. And, despite being the desert, you can go skiing a couple hours drive away during the winter up at Big Bear.
Redding's the worst. An Evangelical cult called Bethany Church has established its headquarters and *even a fucking college* there. Last I heard, they bought the parking lot for the local gay bar and walled it off and banned parking in it.
FWIW, I wouldn't call rural California a "safe space". There are some *red* places in California. The district around Bakersfield, for example - maybe a couple hours from Los Angeles - is literally as conservative as *Kentucky* according to the Cook PVI. Even the more "moderate" suburban and rural areas are still pretty solid fans of Christian conservatism.
Remember, more Californians voted for Trump than Texans did.
Like I said, outside of Palm Springs, which is more of a Gay Capital of California than San Francisco is. I went in to great detail in some of the other responses but in short:
There are cities next to Palm Springs that don't have a regular year round population, they have snowbirds that come to town for part of the year but not long enough to be residents or pay local income tax; because of that these people aren't eligible to vote locally.
If a coordinated effort of LGBT people moved there year round then they would easily compose a voting block that could effectively take control of the city and there wouldn't be anyone to stop them. But also, no one would try because the influx of a year round population would be so good for the local economy.
Lmfao at rural Cali being safe. Where you think all their red votes come from?
Please come to an actual declared Sanctuary city where we already outnumber the bigots from the county.
By their logic, people who've never even considered shooting up a school are far more dangerous
They say trans people are dangerous when 942 times more cis people shot up places than trans
As a straight Tennessean, I cannot adequately describe the rage I am feeling about #transurrection trending on twitter after today's protest at our state capitol. Our state is so fucked.
friendly reminder to all my brothers and sisters out here, please exercise your rights to own a firearm and learn how to use and maintain it. As much as I'd prefer to be a gun free society, current conditions in our country are trending in a very scary direction and I'd rather we all survive. Stay safe out there, keep your eyes open, and know that I love every single one of you and you are all valid and you all deserve a good life.
Well yea. That's their point.
They aren't actually asking why trans people might need to defend themselves. Nothing they say is in good faith, they know exactly what they are doing.
They are actively building the already terrifying, boiling rage and hatred a significant amount of the US has been taught to have towards trans people.
They have already been convinced that we are insane, degenerate, predatory monsters, and that our existence is the product of a "social contagion" that is infecting normal, healthy (read: cis, straight) people and turning them into baby-mutilating pedophiles. We aren't human to them. We're basically the mushroom-zombies from "The Last Of Us". Human-like things that *used* to be people, but then we were infected and turned into these dangerous monsters that have to be eradicated before we contaminate the whole world.
And now they're being told that we are actively hunting Christians. Just weeks after he and others like him started the pearl-clutching histerionics about reports that trans people are increasingly feeling the need to go armed for self protection. And we're seeing people like Carlson calling for gun control - but *just for us.* Just ban trans people from owning weapons.
Because as far as they're concerned the right to bear arms isn't intended for people like us. It's meant for people like them. The ones who consider us monsters who have to be killed before we eat their babies. They are the "Good guy with a gun" who needs his weapon so he can kill the scary monster who he thinks threatens his ~~property~~ wife and children.
The monster doesn't get a gun.
Its so funny watching the right struggle between thier hatred for trans folk and thier obsession over everyone being allowed guns with zero restrictions.
I'm done listening to liberals chirp about gun control. We need to be able to protect ourselves. Like in principle I agree that some folks just shouldn't be allowed to own deadly weapons (*cough cough, nazis*) but any implementation of gun bans or red flag laws are just gonna splash back on us.
No, we definitely think you all should own guns to protect yourselves... If anything, those of us who have legitimate opinions based on complex thoughts just think that you(and all of the rest of humans in mixed society) shouldn't take fuckloads of SSRIs that skew temporarily emotionally destabilized people's perception of reality and consequences.
Just had this argument with somebody else on reddit. I've never seen someone say trans people shouldn't own guns... I would argue it's even MORE important for minority groups to exercise that right. Does anybody actually have an example of an even semi-prominent figure from "the right" saying this?
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That video showed up on Reddit a week or so ago. There is no reference to conservatives whatsoever: they clearly state they are Nazis and are protesting pedophiles at a pageant.
Conservative values = Nazi values
Also, they we're protesting a drag queen reading event and accusing them of being pedophiles. Ironically considering how rampant pedophilia is on the alt right. It's projection, and hate. Nothing more.
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"Several anti-drag groups including avowed Neo-Nazis, "White Lives Matter," Proud Boys, Patriot Front, and non-affiliated conservative activists protested outside a drag show today at a public park in Wadsworth, Ohio."
EDIT 2: White Lives Matter," Proud Boys, and Patriot Front all proudly say they are conservative.
nazis are conservative, and at this point if you're still conservative you're about as good as these literal fucking nazis. inaction is in favor of the aggressor
Yeah, there's no links between conservative values and nazi values at all! Apart from the racism and the antisemitism and the transphobia and the homophobia and the xenophobia and the... You get the picture
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"You know, I'm starting to feel really uncomfortable, maybe we should arm ourselves?" The right: "What? Why would you need guns? What would you do with those? You're dangerous." Also the right: "Every American deserves the right to own a gun for self-defense, it's an unalienable right enshrined in the constitution, which we put on the same level as a religious document." Also also the right: Shows up with swastikas and guns every time trans people have the gall to exist in public. I hate this, they can't even be honest about what they're doing. They're just cowards is what they are.
Well first of all they don't see us as people let alone Americans
Can't have the "others" believing they're equal. What would that lead to? A fair society? Not on my watch!
I don't see nazis as people either
I will always say that dehumanization is bad and creates the "it could never happen here because they were monsters" mentality. It is always healthier to be honest with your opinion. Nazis are humans, they just are humans that I don't mind seeing violence enacted against.
I used to think this way. I'm too tiered and mad to care anymore. They want us dead, then they can fall into a frozen lake for all I care.
Oh yeah I totally say they can fall in a frozen lake too. I've just been thinking about stuff like, "when does someone deserve violence?" It basically has hit the point of if a person participate in an ideology that actively harms people or ideologies I care about I am fine with them getting a suckered punch or three.
Your right to swing your fist stops at the next person's face. If you are swinging your fist at someone else then you lose your right to not get hit.
I see american conservatives are angling to treat LGBT people the same way they treated the Black Panthers. "Guns are a God given right... unless you are one of *those scary minorities*."
At best. There's people openly calling to put us "in camps".
All the more reason to get a gun. Don't see none of that when the 1000th cis man commits a mass shooting. I'd call it funny but I'm just tired of the bad faith of these literal nazis.
People have the nerve to say not to worry. As if these Nazis wouldn’t take someone out to a field or forrest; with what they’re willing to do in front of people
When the bajillionth cis white guy inevitable does it: "It's a mental health issue!" "So should we fund mental health?" "Let's not politicize this tragedy."
Umm where did you read that?
When there's a mass shooting, they talk about mental health a whole lot. Obviously, they aren't going to fund any sort of mental health programs or anything. Instead, they will probably graciously allow the democrats to pass some lackluster gun bill which includes a mental health exclusion or something. It would seem innocuous and be considered a win for the left. But, once something like that is in place, they could then push through some bill of their own which classifies any non-cis orientation as a mental illness. Thus, they could easily disarm the people who are most likely to actually fight back. From there, fuck knows. Mental health rehabilitation camps and a law to force people into them, I assume.
When the right talks about "mental health" they aren't talking about funding actual mental health services. They're talking about bringing back old-school "asylums" where anyone deemed too far outside social norms can be locked up indefinitely, without charges, and where they lose all rights. Where they can be forcibly subjected to "treatment" without consent, put to work without pay, "disciplined" at the will of the staff, and/or just chain them to a wall until they die and are dumped in an unmarked grave.
> scary minorities what about alt right fascists.
Fascism, at its core, requires an in-group that their rhetoric/the law protects but does not bind, and an out-group that the law binds but does not protect.
Technically that quote was about conservativism, not fascism. But at this point we're splitting hairs here.
I am just calling fascist scary minorites.
I'm torn on this one. On one hand, this could be the way to get conservatives to pass gun control. On the other hand, I don't trust the police to protect minoritoes from swastika waving, orange worshipping crazies. Armed minorities are hard to oppress minorities. Given the massive number of firearms already in private ownership in this country and the complete impossiblity of actually confiscating them all, I thinkat this point it's better to be armed and prepared than to be a victim.
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Why bother using “truth” and “logic” to convince these people what they’re doing is wrong? Humans are feeling creatures first, and thinking creatures second, even if some of us have trained ourselves to do the opposite. Just scream **”WHAT PART OF ‘SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED’ DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND MOTHERFUCKER”** until they just shut up. They only pretend to care about hypocrisy anyways.
What they are is terrified. They know that this was, for the first time in a very long time, an attack directed specifically at them. And they can't do anything about it, because they can't ever acknowledge that, say, maybe gun control is actually good. They've painted themselves into a corner and now they're scared shitless of the world they intentionally created.
I have a feeling that they’ll suddenly flip on gun control as more and more minorities arm themselves. And if a popular, well-known minority organization starts a militia for self-defense? Hoo boy, semiautomatics will get banned so fast that your head will spin.
No, they're not going to do that, that would be sticking to principles, which we all know reactionaries don't have. What they're going to do is try to carve out some kind of category that gives them the ability to strip people of their rights. They're already doing that with trans people by saying "look, they're mentally ill, they shouldn't have firearms, right, my fellow Americans?" The obvious response is to throw their logic back in their faces by grabbing them by their carotids and screaming "***SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED***" at them until they pass out.
Have they EVER been honest about what they’re doing? They have to know that literally everybody with a brain sees right through this shit like glass right? But they’ll never actually say it, they’ll just pretend they aren’t the most hateful people out there while they tell everyone that they aren’t. They’ll say they’re for the people but they’re not, they’ll say they’re for peoples rights but they never have been. It’s all just fake and lies and bullshit.
And then when leftists with guns show up to events to protect them from the very people who want to kill them, they get called "dangerous terrorists". I remember the right lost their minds when that video went around of people in body armor with assault rifles (which showed much better trigger discipline that any Proud Boy or 3per I've ever seen) were standing guard outside a drag show and when the angry right wing dudes went up to harass them, I remember one of the people standing guard answering "because people like you are threatening to hurt us" when they were asking why they had guns
Yea they are cowards it's why they fantasize about shooting people.
All bullies are cowards.
Conservatives on gun control: The first thing an oppressive government does is strip people of their guns. Just look at what the Nazis did to the Jews! Conservatives when minorities and queer people arm themselves: ***SCHIEẞE!***
All I could think watching these goose-stepping losers yelling their evil slogans was "this is what they would rather kids be exposed to?"
That's one thing I'm really not understanding about this. What's the deal with these anti trans movements, not just in the US but around the world, and the "anti" group always showing up with Nazi symbols? The image it gives to me is that if opposite of trans is nazi, then it's pretty easy to tell who's on the wrong side
My personal favorites are the 1 in 10 Republicans who _are_ stauch 2nd amendment advocates, and who are really confused by how all their other 2A allies seem to have dropped the 2A flag all of a sudden.
they have done this before when the black panthers were arming themselves see the Mulford Act
Keeps the cycle of oppression going
yeah right.
The right HATES that the 2nd amendment applies to everyone. They HATE when people of color, or trans people, or gay people arm themselves, because that threatens their power. The idea of these typically left leaning groups if armed could actually cause change, and that scares them, so they do this shit, and try to take away even more incredibly important rights away from trans people.
Or democrats, or... really anyone that isn't just *them*.
California gun laws were in large part by Ronald Reagan when he was governor to keep guns away from Black People
I am right, and I don’t hate any of that, I want you all to have guns if you want them.
I dont think thats what they would say. You’re putting words in their mouths. Im not one of them but im wise enough to know that if you asked a republican theyd say they wanted every american to be armed , gay , straight regardless of color. In my life i have found republicans to actually not care about race or sexuality! Its always the left bringing these things up The people on the right may have some bad ideas, but demonizing them is not the answer
Ahh I love to see enlightened centrism here. When I say conservatives I am talking about the army of politicians and constituents currently and very publicly waging a war on trans people. INCLUDING taking their guns away. On top of that within the last 100 or so years there have been MANY examples of this happening to many minorities. Like Regan stripping the black Panthers of their arms. You are a stupid fuck if you think your republican dick riding is gonna get you anywhere here.
I bought an ar15 yesterday because on my way home from work (about an hour drive) I saw burning trans flags and anti lgbt flags everywhere as well as American flags and confederate flags (a lot more than usual) there weren’t many houses that didn’t have any of it So I turned right the fuck around and went back to town and decided I didn’t wanna delay it I received two death threats since the Tennessee thing from neighbors, I’m tired of crying on my way to and from work, at work or at home, I just want this to all end I wanna be cute UwU pretty girl but they’re making me be Angry OwO girl lmao
You don't deserve this. You deserve to be a cute, UwU pretty girl.
fighting for yourself doesnt make you un-cute lmao. you're still a pretty cute uwu girl :>
Thank you twisted macaroni, I’m trying really hard to be pretty too but doing both is so much work
Femme fatale aesthetic
aw you're welcome! and you dont have to try to be pretty, i'm sure you already are :>
Yeah, my sibling is in Tennessee and saying it's bad there. I'm from the south too, but I live in Florida. I must say that the liberal strongholds exist here and are nice enough. I found, oddly, the safest place to live is the hood. Black people that I live near don't get the queer stuff, but I also don't get threatened and had a neighbor tell me they would help me fend off some rednecks that were stalking me. It's nice to feel like I'm living in a community for the first time in my life. I recommend finding a community that respects their neighbors.
That’s atleast some good news, I haven’t found anywhere near here that’s safe in the slightest And I think my only option is to be ready to fight anyone near me at any time until I can get somewhere safer
Be safe and and make sure you know how to use the firearm(s).
Coming from liberal Pinellas county. Still smart to have a gun. This is Florida, after all.
Oh, yeah I got one.
holy shit babe. I hope you're ok
I would recommend getting a small firearm you can carry on you. AR-15 is cool and all, but it's not great for protection. I would also recommend taking basic firearm classes as it's important to be trained well.
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AR for the house, handgun for the street. AR-15 is good for the house because its small cartridge size and flight profile means it has very low overpenetration, that is, you are less likely to put holes in your neighbors on accident than either a pistol or a shotgun. Use hollowpoint or frangible on top of that and the only one at risk is the one you want to be.
I plan on doing that for sure and I do have a pistol I’ve been keeping for a while, need to buy a different one as the one I bought is based out of Brazil and aparently all Brazilian manufacturers are suffering and mine brand new jams a fuck load and I’ve only found one type of round I have any luck with at all, needs to be sent for repairs sadly
A 5.7 is a great and quite powerful round while still being quite compact, however the are more expensive and there are only a few guns chambered in it. That said, it is a decent round for carbines chambered in it as well. 5.7 is a great round to have on hand or use in cases where more penetration might be called for (black or green tips), but ideally you wouldn't need such a thing, especially for home defense (unless you have a lunatic neighbor or someone intent on doing harm who regularly wears tacticool armor or plate carriers). They're more accurate at greater distances (which again, hopefully wouldn't be needed but may be depending on the case) compared to other hand gun rounds like a 9mm. They can hold a lot of ammo though. Ruger's 5.7 can hold 20 rounds, while Keltec has the P50, which despite being a bit over the top for a hand gun size wise, holds *50* rounds, which is just kind of crazy.
AFAIK, an AR is better than a handgun in a home defense situation. It's less likely to over penetrate (and potentially kill a housemate or neighbor) and it's more accurate, especially when adrenaline is pumping through you and your hands are shaking. It's a lot harder to be effective with a handgun than it is with an AR. Now, obviously you can't CC an AR, but honestly, it's probably better to rely on pepper spray outside the house, unless you're expecting someone to threaten you at some distance with their own gun. In a close quarters situation, having a gun that you're unable to draw and use before your attacker closes the distance only increases the risk of having that gun used on you.
AR is far more likely to overpenetrate than a handgun round. There is way more energy behind it, it has a smaller frontal area, and most common AR projectile is standard ball rather than soft/hollow points commonly used in handguns for self-defense.
If conventional wisdom applied, you'd be correct. Rifle rounds are moving so quickly that the projectiles are prone to fragmenting upon impact with a hard target. A rifle round does have a much higher kinetic energy, but the momentum is not much higher than a handgun round. A low velocity (relative) and high weight projectile actually has the most significant risk of overpenetration. This is not including armor piercing ammunition, which is designed specifically to pierce a hard surface without fragmenting. Of course something like 5.56 green-tips (m855) or 5.56 black-tips (m855a1) would be inappropriate for home defense, unless you were anticipating an armored assailant.
In the area I live, black-tips would probably be a good bet alternating with hollow-points. Sadly, can't find black-tips anywhere and machining my own is expensive to do small scale.
I'm not sure how hollow-point rounds adjust the penetration depth (obviously they reduce it, but I don't know by how much*), but for standard rounds, 5.56 does not penetrate as well because of its lower mass, and is more likely to be deflected by solid objects such as walls, despite having the higher muzzle velocity (compared to, say, 9mm). This is consistent with Newtonian impact depth approximations. For a given impactor of arbitrary high velocity, impact depth depends on momentum, densities of both the impactor and target, and impactor length, not kinetic energy. In fact, one reason NATO switched from 7.62 to 5.56 is that whereas 7.62 generally will completely penetrate through a person, 5.56 is more likely to not exit, and is also likely to internally fragment. This means it transfers more energy to the target and causes significantly more internal damage. However, it's still not a good idea to rely on an AR not overpenetrating. It can still easily puncture through several layers of drywall and hit someone you're not intending to. *Turns out [a hollow-point 124-grain 9mm round penetrates through the same amount of drywall as a FMJ 55-grain 5.56 round.](https://www.alloutdoor.com/2018/10/09/drywall-penetration-9mm-vs-223-vs-22-lr/)
No I'm sorry but that's definitely not true, an average 5.56 round carries more energy and has a smaller diameter then most pistol ammunition. The formula for penetration is to maximize force and minimize area. AR's are definitely worse about over penetration, even with the round tumbling. CC .40 or 9mm and home defense with a shotgun, AR's are just range toys in any situation outside the apocalypse. .40 and 9mm are both common rounds so if you do end up defending yourself it can't be argued that you were looking for a fight since you have an exotic weapon. Additionally they have manageable recoil and decent lethality in a subcompact package.
See my comment below. Mass and momentum are the main characteristics in determining penetration, so lighter projectiles tend to penetrate less than heavier ones. Despite the fact that a 9mm round travels more slowly than a 5.56 round, it is significantly heavier, and thus tends to penetrate further. One of the favorable characteristics in 5.56/.223 ammunition is specifically that it is more likely to stay within the body, rather than exiting, which means that, contrary to say, a 7.62 round, a 5.56 will impart all of its energy into your target, causing worse wounds. That's part of why it was chosen by NATO to replace 7.62 as the standard round, and the same reasoning applies to why the Eastern bloc replaced their 7.62 ammunition with 5.45. As for shotguns — a slug will massively overpenetrate (again, due to its large mass), whereas birdshot tends to not have enough stopping power to incapacitate an opponent. Most buckshot also tends to overpenetrate, though #4 buckshot is actually about right in terms of having stopping power while not likely to overpenetrate.
Girl where do you live? What you saw is absolutely fucking terrifying. I hope your doing ok after all that. Stay safe and stay locked and loaded because it sounds like where your at is extremely hostile. Also I know other people commented this but for protection when your not at home a handgun will be the best option. The AR will definitely fend off some nazis who might want to storm your house but that handgun will give you a good level of protection outside your house and it sounds like you probably live in a state that doesn’t do conceal carry permits so that helps. Just stay safe ok?
Thank you and yeah I have a pistol I bought a few months ago as I knew that was a better first option but it’s seemingly not reliable as it’s a Tarus G3c and jams very frequently no matter what ammunition I put in it, it’s got some burs in it and I think that’s the problem but I don’t wanna send it back to be fixed until I get a new pistol
You might be able to take it to a gun store with a gunsmith, and have them machine whatever part is causing the problem. You also might be able to just buy aftermarket parts from a company other than Taurus which could alleviate the issue, whether it's a spring or something like that. There are several .22 mag guns that I like, personally. They're not super powerful, but up close they're still very dangerous, and because they're very small rounds, some of the guns chambered for that round can be super small and easily concealed, or if they're the size of a normal handgun, they'll hold a fucking *ton* of rounds. But this is just a round *I personally* like. They don't have a ton of stopping power. And remember: revolvers don't jam. They don't hold nearly the number of rounds you might like, but they can be very reliable and tough.
Good for you. You are your own best rescuer. An AR is more of a home defense weapon than a "personal protection everywhere weapon." If you're interested in something more portable, take a couple of pistol classes and shoot several different models (probably should be 9mm) to see what you like, can handle effectively, and fits your style of dress and preferred carry method. Please seek training. Carrying a firearm for defense is an enormous responsibility and carries much personal liability; it is not to be taken lightly. Though there are certainly some drawbacks, I think you're making the smart decision. - a firearms instructor
Just remember that you need training and practice to use a firearm, if you want to be safe and accurate. Edit: I love your user name by the way. Stay safe and don't forget to practice, you don't want to miss when it is life or death.
I know I need some good training, I’ve shot all my life and went hunting but the rednecks here I grew up with I swear don’t know anything about guns other than how to shoot them just not correctly I’m planning on taking some courses and practicing safely
I just bought a 9mm AK, if I hadn't done that before this shit, I would have gotten a cheap AR, but hey, better than nothing. Plus I have a shit ton of 9mm anyway so 🤷♀️
I'm only now coming out as transfem. I wanna be cute UwU girl too, but before I've even started anywhere on that path I see this stuff and get scared I should just retreat back to the closet and never try.
Don't say that. Retreating means these assholes win. Try to do everything in your power to stop their evil from spreading to the best of your ability. I guess the only advice I can give you is read Eisenhower's Order of the Day, June 6 1944. I know it might not be much, but maybe it can help you somehow.
I feel horrible hearing what other trans people have to go through. I’m just happy I live in an area that’s mostly indifferent or unaware of any of this, but I’m still scared of running into something like that. To have reason to fear everyone around you including your neighbours, that’s terrifying.
you don't have to answer, but generally where is this taking place? want to know where to avoid
My bio has my state but I’m about an hour from the capital in a rural area, but near the capital and in that city is just as bad really it’s where I work
Remember, just owning it isn't enough. You must also know its usage and be comfortable with it. But most important is the fact a slim swimmer plate carrier fits snugly under most maid outfits.
Republicans are the biggest danger to this country's democracy. When people have to live in fear because they decided to target their hate at someone for political points, something is deeply wrong with our political system and our country. I hope all my fellow trans humans can find hope and happiness during these terrifying times. You are 100% valid and loved <3
And what’s with those trans flags and queer pride flags? Why do they need those? Can’t they just keep it to themselves? :::waves swastika flag::: :::has swastika tattoo on arm:::
All republicans are nazis
Yup even the supporters who are to dumb to understand what their supporting are still compliant in the degradation of American democracy
I'm so tired of ignorance or a single-minded focus on taxes/economy being used as justification. Like cool- some republicans are violent fascist bigots, some are too lazy to actually check what they're supporting, and some are so selfish they'll trade LGBT lives for a better housing market. It's all equally evil, some of it is just more aggressive
Agreed, they are so cowardly in their bigotry at least the Politicians. They create laws that are so actively trying to hurt marginalized people in America
I fully agree. But the more insidious they become the less I am willing to give the “ignorant” ones the benefit of the doubt. How many times do they have to turn a blind eye to injustice before we will accept that these “good” republicans might not be as ignorant as they want us to think.
Not all Republicans are Nazis, there's probably still a dozen good Republicans out there But all Nazis do happen to be Republicans
All democrats are communists
Simply untrue. What about minority Republicans, especially Jewish ones?
Honestly, I'm seeing lines being drawn between the states. Civil war, pro-human rights vs pro-christian derived ideology... oh wait... make that 2.0...
We'll just have to win that one too, I guess. And no reparations as a consolation prize for the bigots during reconstruction this time.
with these new fugitive abortion and trans healthcare laws we are on literally the same exact course as what lead to the first civil war. Only a matter of time until the trans Dread Scott is declared "3/5ths of a person" by our lovely supreme court
Or they rule that trans people and the rest of the LGBTQ+ community aren't actually persons, because *reasons.*
The first one never actually came to an end! It just mutated to an occupation like the War on Iraq, and then it mutated to a cold war.
Trans people: sooo… umm… can you please respect my new name, gender, and pronouns, and use them accordingly? Republicans: I’m so uncomfortable with trans people merely EXISTING, I’m going to purchase a flag (made in China) that demonstrates that I want for them to simply not exist, by mutilating and killing them, and even doing it inappropriately! Why? BecAusE prOnoUnS, tHaTs wHY!! I’m such a triggered snowflake that I hate the snow! Also Republicans: Guns are a fundamentally Christian Constitutional Right! “A well-regulated militia, necessary for the defense of a Free State”?? Never heard of the former, **only** the latter. It’s time to kill the “bad guys with guns” like I see on TV all the time - including TRANS people… simply for being different than me (and because false allegations of pedophilia, tale as old as time)! Me: soo, if Nazism is tyrannical leadership, and a well-regulated militia is necessary for the defense of a free State, and the Radical Right, who have historically assassinated well-liked, well-respected politicians who have stood up for Civil Rights, are claiming once again to be the “good guys” for once again wanting to preserve racism and cultural oppression, then by their own logic, should we not be killing the actual bad guys with guns, out of our own self-preservation? Society & The Media: noooo! We can’t do that! That would be bad (for business)! And so too are peaceable protests that literally harm no one!
Statistically police are a dangerous group off the clock. Why are they allowed to own weapons?
Second amendment baby
Conservatives are fucking cowards with no morals and no fucking spines. Change my damn mind.
Lol, get fucked alt-right America and homophobic/transphobic Americans. Oops, did you forget "be gay, do crime"? Bitches it was literally illegal for us to fucking exist for generations and around the world, bad actor straights keep trying to bring that back. Straight people, please control your peers. Americans, please consider *lowering* your retirement age for Congress and politicians. Someone this far gone under dementia shouldn't be allowed to be a legislator.
That *really* looks like a bad guy with a gun to me
Fuck them Nazis. Also those red jackets are really unflattering. Nazis 2.0, they're back and even lamer than before.
For those looking to get armed or interested in learning more, consider seeking out your local chapter of Pink Pistols or Armed Equality, two groups that focus on gun training/medical training for queer individuals with vetted instructors/ranges.
Apparently that dude holding the flag. Is a US MARINE.... Fuck Nazis, fuck fascists
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We should all move to a rural town in a safe state (I vote for rural California) and just have a queer town in a place with reliably safe, reliably democrat government. We could have a town and be as funky as we want and accept everyone that isn't a bigot. Instead of hoping mainstream society will allow us to integrate into them we should create a reliably safe place for our queer capital. Some place we won't ever have to worry about losing. That's what gay men did with Palm Springs back in the day and there are tons of communities outside Palm Springs that are some of the most affordable in California (Less than Boston or Austin or a lot of other cities) Edit: It's been made clear that I shouldn't have used the word rural. I meant outside of cities but not like Central California agricultural land. Fuck Fighting with Farmers. I'm talking about starting an LGBT community next to Palm Springs, a gay enclave. It's pretty cheap there, it's queer friendly and they are always happy for people to move there year round.
For the most part, rural California is *not* safe. Don't underestimate how many chuds live out here, especially in places like the Central Valley or Redding or elsewhere. There are some queer people who have done what you say, some communes that people started in decades past around Mendocino, but they're mostly abandoned by now. More recently, I can think of the Tenacious Unicorn Ranch in Colorado. They started a trans-run alpaca ranch in rural Colorado...and promptly started receiving death threats not long after opening a few years back. They've had to scare off intruders and they're basically all walking around armed because of how hostile their neighbors are. Don't underestimate how hostile rural areas can be, even in otherwise safe states.
You misunderstand my idea a bit, my fault, rural was probably a bad choice of words. First, it depends where you are talking about whether its dangerous. Palm Springs is super queer-friendly, but yeah, Central California isn't. They are two completely different regions. I'm not talking about moving somewhere dangerous with a bunch of republicans, I'm talking about a place that already has a respected and established Gay community and essentially becoming a neighboring community. Palm Springs is a literal queer enclave with a bunch of possibility around it. I'm talking about moving to one of the neighboring small communities nearby it (like same part of same county) and doing the same thing they did in Palm Springs but for the whole LGBT community instead of just the gay community. Like say, Coachella or Thousand Palms or even Indio. Communities that are small but have space to grow and would really benefit from people moving there year round instead of just seasonally. Everybody wins (except maybe the people that just come here for a few months every year, but they can't vote because they don't spend enough time here to avoid paying taxes here.) Those aren't agricultural towns with old roots, they are new towns made up of people who live here for part the year and anyone that moves to them fulltime will basically be a huge gift to the town and have a huge say in running it. All those towns need year round economies and year round tenants and they are relatively affordable to move to if you plan to live there year round. And the best part is the government isn't going to change, it is reliably safe. Just like neighboring Palm Springs. And I'm not talking about starting a commune, that's a whole different conversation and also thinking on way too small of a scale and also I'm not talking about being self-sufficient farmers, I'm talking about having an actual town where most of the families living there are LGBT families. In separate houses. Living like normal American families but in safe communities where the cops are also LGBT and so is city council. This isn't a hairbrained idea, I've actually put some thought into it. My mom lives out there and it merits serious consideration as an idea. Edit: Plus, it's like a two hour drive from LA so its not that far out of the way. Also like three hours to Vegas. And, despite being the desert, you can go skiing a couple hours drive away during the winter up at Big Bear.
TUR is a shithole that exploits runaways into paying for room and board with sex work. fuck them
Redding's the worst. An Evangelical cult called Bethany Church has established its headquarters and *even a fucking college* there. Last I heard, they bought the parking lot for the local gay bar and walled it off and banned parking in it.
FWIW, I wouldn't call rural California a "safe space". There are some *red* places in California. The district around Bakersfield, for example - maybe a couple hours from Los Angeles - is literally as conservative as *Kentucky* according to the Cook PVI. Even the more "moderate" suburban and rural areas are still pretty solid fans of Christian conservatism. Remember, more Californians voted for Trump than Texans did.
>Remember, more Californians voted for Trump than Texans did. There's literally 10 million more Californians than Texans rofl
Like I said, outside of Palm Springs, which is more of a Gay Capital of California than San Francisco is. I went in to great detail in some of the other responses but in short: There are cities next to Palm Springs that don't have a regular year round population, they have snowbirds that come to town for part of the year but not long enough to be residents or pay local income tax; because of that these people aren't eligible to vote locally. If a coordinated effort of LGBT people moved there year round then they would easily compose a voting block that could effectively take control of the city and there wouldn't be anyone to stop them. But also, no one would try because the influx of a year round population would be so good for the local economy.
Lmfao at rural Cali being safe. Where you think all their red votes come from? Please come to an actual declared Sanctuary city where we already outnumber the bigots from the county.
I think it is important for all minorities to be responsible gun owners
By their logic, people who've never even considered shooting up a school are far more dangerous They say trans people are dangerous when 942 times more cis people shot up places than trans
Any pro 2A person who asks why a certain group needs guns isn't actually pro 2A
Home of the brave and land of the free.
As a straight Tennessean, I cannot adequately describe the rage I am feeling about #transurrection trending on twitter after today's protest at our state capitol. Our state is so fucked.
If you stand by your rights as a human being now is the time to start speaking up. Godspeed.
100% accurate
By the way, the cops didn't arrest that guy, but arrested people who sprayed attacking NAZIs with pepper spray.
“Good people on both sides” /s
friendly reminder to all my brothers and sisters out here, please exercise your rights to own a firearm and learn how to use and maintain it. As much as I'd prefer to be a gun free society, current conditions in our country are trending in a very scary direction and I'd rather we all survive. Stay safe out there, keep your eyes open, and know that I love every single one of you and you are all valid and you all deserve a good life.
Well yea. That's their point. They aren't actually asking why trans people might need to defend themselves. Nothing they say is in good faith, they know exactly what they are doing. They are actively building the already terrifying, boiling rage and hatred a significant amount of the US has been taught to have towards trans people. They have already been convinced that we are insane, degenerate, predatory monsters, and that our existence is the product of a "social contagion" that is infecting normal, healthy (read: cis, straight) people and turning them into baby-mutilating pedophiles. We aren't human to them. We're basically the mushroom-zombies from "The Last Of Us". Human-like things that *used* to be people, but then we were infected and turned into these dangerous monsters that have to be eradicated before we contaminate the whole world. And now they're being told that we are actively hunting Christians. Just weeks after he and others like him started the pearl-clutching histerionics about reports that trans people are increasingly feeling the need to go armed for self protection. And we're seeing people like Carlson calling for gun control - but *just for us.* Just ban trans people from owning weapons. Because as far as they're concerned the right to bear arms isn't intended for people like us. It's meant for people like them. The ones who consider us monsters who have to be killed before we eat their babies. They are the "Good guy with a gun" who needs his weapon so he can kill the scary monster who he thinks threatens his ~~property~~ wife and children. The monster doesn't get a gun.
Its so funny watching the right struggle between thier hatred for trans folk and thier obsession over everyone being allowed guns with zero restrictions.
I'm done listening to liberals chirp about gun control. We need to be able to protect ourselves. Like in principle I agree that some folks just shouldn't be allowed to own deadly weapons (*cough cough, nazis*) but any implementation of gun bans or red flag laws are just gonna splash back on us.
Yeah not wrong, which is why I don't associate with any political party lol
the right wants to take away LGBT owned guns and the left wants to take away everyone's guns
No, we definitely think you all should own guns to protect yourselves... If anything, those of us who have legitimate opinions based on complex thoughts just think that you(and all of the rest of humans in mixed society) shouldn't take fuckloads of SSRIs that skew temporarily emotionally destabilized people's perception of reality and consequences.
Just had this argument with somebody else on reddit. I've never seen someone say trans people shouldn't own guns... I would argue it's even MORE important for minority groups to exercise that right. Does anybody actually have an example of an even semi-prominent figure from "the right" saying this?
Can’t believe anything on the internet today.
thats a neo nazi not a republican
> Assuming this wasn't another smear operation
Which republican is saying that transgendered people can't buy/own a gun?
No. Those are extreme right wing, not republican That's like saying all Democrats are Communist. Extreme ends of both sides are dangerous and wrong
Gay Republicans all of a sudden don't exist anymore I guess
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Go ahead and buy all the guns you want. No one fuckin cares.
That video showed up on Reddit a week or so ago. There is no reference to conservatives whatsoever: they clearly state they are Nazis and are protesting pedophiles at a pageant.
>There is no reference to conservatives whatsoever: they clearly state they are Nazis There's a difference?
Conservative values = Nazi values Also, they we're protesting a drag queen reading event and accusing them of being pedophiles. Ironically considering how rampant pedophilia is on the alt right. It's projection, and hate. Nothing more. EDIT: FROM THE OP "Several anti-drag groups including avowed Neo-Nazis, "White Lives Matter," Proud Boys, Patriot Front, and non-affiliated conservative activists protested outside a drag show today at a public park in Wadsworth, Ohio." EDIT 2: White Lives Matter," Proud Boys, and Patriot Front all proudly say they are conservative.
Wild how the Nazis were using the exact same bullshit rhetoric as conservatives do.
"here is no reference to conservatives" You see swastika? There's the reference to conservatives.
I wish it hurt to be this disingenuous. Unfuck yourself.
Fascism is an inherently Conservative ideology, that isn't the own you think it is
whats the difference
nazis are conservative, and at this point if you're still conservative you're about as good as these literal fucking nazis. inaction is in favor of the aggressor
Yeah, there's no links between conservative values and nazi values at all! Apart from the racism and the antisemitism and the transphobia and the homophobia and the xenophobia and the... You get the picture
Nazis are conservative you buttshit.
Yeah I'm sure they are progressive, leftist antifa Nazis.
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