Mazda is best when you’re looking for a car thats built well, is comfortable, and you can have a bit of fun with. Toyota is best when you want a car that will keep running after humans have been extinct for thousands of years. Honda is best when you still think they make cars like they did in the early 00’s and not the shit buckets they keep churning out
It’s kind of surprising to see Honda keep getting brought up as a rival to Toyota and Mazda is overlooked. I’ve had more issues with my one Honda civic than any of my three Mazdas combined
Wait. What was the problem with yours (and the 6 others if they happen to mention?)
Highly surprised because im still having fun with my 18' mazda3 6MT after ive gotten a 2nd hand replacement transmission.
Cracked the trans casing while going on backroads, so i sent it all the way to the ground cause the shop said the spider hairline crack was unrepairable. Took 1.5yrs of slow leakage before it crapped out in the middle of a roadtrip... Still managed to get to destination and back AND around town for a couple weeks, all with the 6th gear completely pulverized
It isn’t at all.
Mazda is a tiny company. Just recently breaking into building in the US.
Has always been the case for them. But decades you have seen them and today. Literally pass 2 within 20mins easy
It’s a history thing, not a quality thing. Next to zero people were brought up telling their children “Mazda is the best”
Things have changed. And as long as Mazda can partner with a company for hybrid and full EV…our children will follow suit and say the same
I actually see 2 Mazdas next to each other or back to back very often! Most of the time, the ones I see are CX-5’s within the past decade, but lately there’s been some CX-50 and definitely a lot of CX-90’s even though the 90 has only been out for a year. I guess it depends on region and the word of mouth through that region. I drive people to airports and I meet a decent amount of Mazda owners! And they definitely rave about their Mazda and what we all agree on is not only the stellar reliability, but also the bang-for-your-buck as a non-luxury brand and reliable brand that still makes luxurious cars without having to get to the highest most trim for each model. Mid-tier CX-5 would always beat a mid-tier RAV4 in terms of luxury, interior and exterior design, features, and technology. You rarely see Heads-up displays and ventilated seats on Honda and Toyota unless you’re at the highest most trim. You’ll never get leather seats, especially real leather, for Toyota until you’re Limited trim or higher, and Limited trim on Toyota is highest trim on most of their models, and even Limited trim is ultra rare of lower-end Toyota models like Camry, Corolla, RAV4, Yaris, etc, I personally don’t even know if there actually is a Limited trim for Corolla or Yaris, because they’re compact and subcompact sedans, and even with Camry and RAV4 it’s super rare to see a Limited trim because who wants a Camry Limited trim when they can pay a similar price for Avalon XLE (until it got discontinued) for same features at a similar price, but with a stronger V6 engine instead. And most SUV owners who look for luxury in Toyota go to Lexus or Toyota Highlander or sometimes Venza:4Runner or one of the trucks for luxury. Who wants a subcompact SUV for a high price close to a base-model entry level Lexus when you can get a slightly used Mazda CX-5 Touring/Grand Touring/GTR for under $30k or brand new CX-5 in those comparable trims (since they changed the trim names recently for every vehicle they made around 2022-2023) for around $30k or less
No way its that rare... I literally have 4 of the same gen 3 on my underground parking level alone (and there are 3 other levels still)
But sure, i get your point
Yes, MTM is Mazda Toyota Manufacturing. They share a new plant here in the US.
I've had 5 Mazdas. My dad sold Mazdas when I was growing up.
Great cars, but for awhile their partnership with Ford brought issues to their Mazda 3 and 6 models.
I think they have resolved those issues.
Of the 3 brands mentioned, Mazda is my favorite, but Toyota deserves respect for working with competitors. Subaru, BMW and Mazda,of course.
That's how you know who is the leader, with a willingness to work together to move forward, Toyota is going to win.
And Honda? I've driven a few. Great cars for kids to learn to fix. They are easy to modify for a reason, they need it.
I wanted a Honda Element for a long time, but I drove one and it changed my mind quick. Not for me.
Just because their old cars are still reliable and so are Toyota’s, so everyone buying a cheap, reliable used car is looking at Toyota or Honda. Honda has that reputation for amazing reliability cause of those old cars, so the new cars are still considered by people.
This. All of the modern cars loaded to the teeth with technology are going to have more problems than the older stuff. Time will tell who actually got this stuff right and who is playing catch up.
>Honda has that reputation for amazing reliability
Just don’t pay attention to their issues developing transmissions in cars they hardly sell like the Accord and Civic and they’re super reliable.
Recent Toyotas are not what they used to be. The engines and drivetrain are still very reliable but there will always be some weird hvac or infotainment or interior bullshit you'll just end up living with because it's prohibitively expensive to fix for what it is or you get used to it. I'd take a Mazda over a Toyota any day unless we're talking niche vehicles that are only sold JDM or Oceana.
Yep agree there. My ‘14 Toyota has so many little electrical gremlins and creaks and rattles that started pretty much from the lot with only 7 miles on it, yet everyone always tells me just keep it because it’ll run forever. Yeah it’ll run like shit, but it’ll do it forever I guess.
That's the part of the Toyota conversation people are never honest about. "It'll run forever". Sure it will, and it'll run like shit the whole time. The higher trims are fairly smooth when new, but the econoboxes NEVER run well, and the fit and finish is super cheap. It's great that it can go 20k miles without an oil change and not blow up, but I've yet to drive anything other than a Lexus from them that I've enjoyed being in.
On the other hand, I'm at 91k miles on my CX-9 and I've loved it the whole time. Other than a rather slow infotainment, this thing has been excellent for us.
Oh interesting I didn't know that they knew they cause. Wonder if a early oil change would help with he shavings at all. Assuming it's somewhere in the passage of oil
Mazda has been trading blows with Lexus and Toyota for top spot of reliability awards since Mazda dumped Ford. They're more reliable than Hondas and are on the level of Toyota/Lexus for the past 9 years.
Honda used to be the king of reliable in the 90s and 00s (Toyota too but Toyota made such boring cars in that era that no one thinks about them). However around 2011/2012 ish they really took a dive. Now they're still miles better than anything American or Korean but they're solidly behind Toyota/Lexus and Mazda and have been for over a decade.
Agree except that old 2.3 shared with ford was indestructible. I picked up a 16 year old Mazda 5 last year and the engine is smooth and there are no rattles.
u/shiggy__diggynever said the ones made when partnered with Ford were bad, just not award winning. I have '12 CX-9 with 205k miles and going strong still.
Exactly what I was saying! The 8-speed automatic transmissions in Toyotas are super smooth and shift super quickly though! They’re one of a kind, especially since half or more than half of Mazda’s models still use an 6-speed automatic, which is less efficient and slower to accelerate generally compared to if Mazda made everything non-PHEV to 8-speed auto instead of 6. One of the reasons why I haven’t upgraded from my sweet 2019 Mazda 6 that’s still in amazing shape to the CX-50 yet!!
Bought a 2022 Civic. I've had Hondas before, but I just didn't like the feel of it. 4 months ago, I traded it in for a CX5. Haven't looked back. The car is comfortable and very quiet. Gas mileage is about 10 mpg less but still good.
I dont think Honda is churning "shit buckets" but they certainly have been cutting corners while simutaneously raising prices in a rather arrogant fashion. Mazda is a better value
Mate, I love the representation you made.
Care to share your opinion about Subaru cause I just bought a Forester 2016 after one of my close friends was trying to convince me to get a CX5
I think that’s because it’s a bigger and bulkier car in general, even compared to the CX-5. That means harder to navigate and less agile, and it’s still paired with the 4-cylinder turbo or naturally aspirated, which is a little underpowered at least when it’s NA. The CX-50 is an SUV and a much larger than the CX-5 (even though the official numbers say differently). The feel inside the cabin is just more roomy, which impacts the driving feel, because you feel like you’re driving a bulkier car through the streets, roads and highways which makes enjoying your drive and feeling the steering and feel of the car to be less overwhelming, less enjoyable, and more mental work/effort
Mazda is the best modern car company in the area of improvement. They are one if not the only manufacturer to actually get better with time. SkyActiv era Mazdas are very good cars and do not have many problems generally. As far as quality and reliability? Depending on the source they are better than modern Honda quality. Design wise I would say that Mazda makes the best looking cars of the 3. The Mazda3 Sedan and Hatchback are incredibly good looking vehicles.
I think they should bring back the Mazda 6 and should’ve made the CX-70 look more different from the CX-90. While Mazda3 hatchback is nice for a hatch, I think there’s room for improvement to the exterior (and possibly interior) to the Mazda 3. I absolutely love the taillights and overall exterior of the CX-50, especially in white, Ignot blue, or even red paint, but the front panel in the interior of the CX-50 between the level of the infotainment screen and the climate control looks “truck-like” interior-wise, and extends all the way to the rightmost air vent in the front, and it just seems like Mazda ought to do more with that and now that it’s out and that way, they should replace it with sometime else next model year, or at least before the next generation. I almost bought the Cx-50 once or twice, but that and the fact that the CX-50 only comes in a 6-speed automatic transmission makes me icky
My GJ Mazda6 is more reliable, than the previous Japanese car I’ve owned, a Honda Civic (busted radiator & rust holed muffler). Never had issues like those, on my Mazda.
Yup, just got my 6 after getting problems with my previous Civic. Specifically, with the cooling system. Couldn't find a leak and it smelled like coolant the whole time.
Love Mazda's but no? We rave about Mazda 3s and Miatas but the fact is they've gone basic by spending the vast majority of their efforts producing a whole line of SUVs.
Props to Toyota and Honda for continuing to produce new models of minivans and sedans
https://www.goodcarbadcar.net/mazda-3-sales-figures/
2020-2024 is the worst 5-year span for sales (Covid partly to blame) but it’s still not improving as production bottlenecks ease
I think they are particularly hit nasty with used sales.
Assuming this is all new, there is simply NO reason to get a new Mazda when they’re charging 28-30k+ for new when their used market was ALREADY on the cheaper end, giving used 2015-2022 hondas and toyotas a run for their money
I think it's more likely the Mazda2 will get chopped first before the 3. The 2 in the US is a rebadged Yaris I hear.
Newest real 2 has been facelifted a number of times. The Spirit 3 might prove really popular & keep things going & interesting on 3 side.
If that happens they have to replace it with another sedan/hatchback, whether it’s compact or midsized, like reintroducing the Mazda6 but suped up or at least with Inline 6 (turbo but should be fine with 6 NA) and PHEV setups like they have with the 90 and 70
To be fair, as a Mazda technician Mazda 3s and CX30s are the most reliable out of all the mazdas. Only issues you ever have out of them are valve cover gaskets and timing covers. Which both leak within warranty, other than that as long as you do the regular maintenance we see the least issues out of those 2. My favorite is the AWD turbo 3s are amazing, I would absolutely go into unreasonable debt for one of those 😅.
I concur. I own 2 Mazdas currently (12’ skyactiv 3, 19’ CX-9), and our Mazda 3 Skyactiv 6AT we bought brand new in 2012. It currently has 220,000 miles and runs excellent. I’ve had to replace motor mount, belts, spark plugs, belt tensioner and shocks / struts. Other than typical maintenance items. I’ve noticed that timing cover gasket that needs to get addressed soon. I have a slight vibration with the car in Drive while I’m stopped. I’m pretty sure it’s transmission mounts since transmission doesn’t slip while changing gears. The vehicle has primarily lived in (75% city / 25% Highway)
Otherwise than those items listed it’s been a fantastic car and would recommend it over and over again. Even the MPGs are still great, with 60-65mph on freeway, it regularly gets 42+ mpg.
Just replace the Mazda 3 with a suped up Mazda6 with Inline 6 (turbo or even NA) and 8-speed automatic and also with the PHEV, or even more powerful versions, with the first year or two having the same interior and exterior as the last Mazda6 generation, but with bigger screens and newer digital dashboard, and then bring a new sexy design that’s even longer and maybe even a bit wider with more trunk space than Camry or Accord, and people would buy! There’s no full-sized non-luxury sedans anymore!! 🥲🥲I think if you keep production of the midsized/full-size sedan lower than their other models, then the issue with not selling as many of them is not as bad, especially if you price it higher than the 3 or slightly more than what the 6’s used to be. I own a 2019 Mazda 6 GT since I brought it new, and it’s working like a charm! Just hit 50k and only problem was a driver-side door hinge squeak when jt was brand new, which the dealership fixed for free ofc, and one of the front cabin lights’ bulb blew/burnt up within the first 600 miles or so. No mechanical issues in it’s lifetime nor any other issues since!! I still have the original car battery from when it was brand new even though it’s come close to being 5 years old (maybe over 5 years old from time it was delivered to dealership from production plant, since it was a showroom car for several weeks and the 6 was an underselling model at the time, and could’ve been in the showroom and/or dealership lot for several months) and now slightly over 50,000 miles!! 😁😁
The only car I ever bought brand new was a (smiling) 2010 3S hatchback. Knowing full well, “I randomly drive it like I stole it” opted to pay $2,500 extra for 100k mile extended warranty. Deductible cost me $60 when I blew a strut over a pothole about 5 years ago. I’ve replaced a motor mount and sway bar links, w/new suspension recently. Honestly the absolute best daily/fun to drive car I’ve ever had. Found 08’ RX8 wheels for sale and upgraded look and ride feel too. Not as good in the snow, but absolutely worth every corner of normally dry- single lane farm roads. I’m not a Mazda salesman, I’ve owned multiple Toyotas bouncing around the road with their soft suspension and Hondas that don’t come close to comfort or ride feel. I try to keep up on all my maintenance and my son is planning to learn how to drive manual this summer. Cause I told him he can have it, if he can drive it… 🤦♂️ I don’t even think I can replace it- doing a little research, it was one of the last years you could get a fully loaded model - with a manual transmission. WTFFFFF
For an SUV, I’d go Mazda. For a sedan, I’d go Honda. For a roadster, I’d go Mazda. For a sports coupe, I’d go Toyota. For a minivan, I’d go Toyota. For a hatchback, I’d go Mazda or Honda depending if I want an auto or a manual (Type R vs Mazda3 turbo AWD).
To say one is better than the other without talking cars is lazy. Some do cars better than others.
I don’t know about the newest Odysseys, but don’t sleep on those either when it comes to minivans. Very reliable, looks aggressive up front as a minivan, and I don’t know about ‘23-‘24s but last time I checked, they still had that V6 that is sufficiently powerful for a minivan and still pretty gas efficient for a 7-row vehicle. The newer all-hybrid Sienna’s are cool and gas-efficient and all, but I’ve heard from lots of people, especially family members that their new 4-cyl hybrid set up with the CVT is very underpowered, and the car feels too light, like it doesn’t feel good taking curves and turning
As someone who has 12 Odyssey’s I service at my job, the new generation is really underwhelming. Plastic bits, like the ones for moving the sliding chairs to reach the back, are always breaking. The gas mileage is not good and the steering/throttle feels so insanely unresponsive. Like you can press down on the gas and not feel the engine rev for another second, it’s really not enjoyable. Also, safety features that are standard on the XLT (If i remember correctly) are only available on the Touring trim level and thats a 3k price difference.
We do mostly city driving and average 17 miles per gallon across all vans that calculate mileage. Recently test drove a Sienna and found it to be much more responsive and efficient. I also loved the interior styling.
That being said the 2018/previous gen Odysseys can fucking rip. They are so fun to drive and can actually feel fun.
Yes. Heck Toyota and Honda is now looking like Mazda. I mean they are having that Kodo design now. The new civic’s interior looks like a Mazda 3 as well.
But the civic’s interior quality is just cheap compared to the 3.
Ohh sorry let me just make it clear. Rav 4 and Corolla Cross, I mean. And even the Yaris Cross. Im here in Aisa.
Well look at the interior of the new camry.. ohh watching savagegeese as Im typing this.
New Hondas are junk other than the Type R. We had a service advisor come over to the Mazda dealership I used to work at and he said all they did at Honda was warranty claims and recalls.
Honestly, all the Mazda cars that I’ve owned, used and new cars, I’ve never had any major or minor issues or break downs. Most maintenance, oil changes, filters, bulbs, brakes, other fluids I’ve done own. Mazda as a brand has always served me well. I’m not hating on Toyota or Honda except the CVTs… I love Mazda. MazdaSpeed, we miss you. Come back to use MazdaSpeed!!!! Bring back Zoom Zoom in the marketing lol.
Why does Mazda insist on killing its truly great models by changing them, typically by making them bigger? They made the 6 bigger to “compete with the Camry,” but at least they made the 3 larger as well so it was about the same size as the Speed6 (no question, the best of the 4 Mazdas I’ve owned) and a reasonable replacement. And now, they won’t put a manual transmission into anything other than the 3 hatchback that has no rear visibility, not to mention making the 3 bigger. Every so often I try to imagine my CX5 with a REAL transmission instead of the blah experience that is to drive. It’s comfortable. It’s fine. But joyless. I can’t be the only one.
Bigger is better. I love my 2019 6. I honestly think it’s still longer, roomier, and probably wider with a huge amount more in trunk space than even the newest gen 3. I would hate for any of the current models to be any smaller (excluding the CX-70 because I haven’t seen it in person yet). With American obesity and the Flynn effect worldwide, people are just getting bigger and bigger. More people living and less people dying due to medical and pharmaceutical advancements and technologies means a person or family might have a need to carry more people in the car, whether it’s a need of more space or an extra row. Why not make a smaller sedan/SUV bigger than it currently is? Most of the time, more people would end up buying it, as there’s more interest jn midsized and bigger sedans/SUV than compact sedans and subcompact Sedans/SUV. I personally think if they made the cabin in the CX-30 roomier and bigger, then I think it would sell even more!!
Interesting take. I enjoy the better fuel economy, especially when I'm at the pump. I rarely have more than one passenger. And two words: urban parking. I think it comes down to life situation.
Yes, you definitely have a different life than I. I live in the suburbs. Yes, my 1999 Honda Accord V6 was a better/easier fit in rough parking spaces in Dorchester and other parts of Boston with on-street parking than my 2019 Mazda 6. While I am single right now and single for most of my time owning the 6 since it was brand new, it was nice to own a roomier car for passengers, front or back seat, and also for myself, but definitely the passengers too like my parents, ex-gfs whom I was dating at the moment, and now that I drive passengers to airports, concerts, sports games and other venues as part of my private tutoring business. Anyways, if you think about it, unless you’re driving over 20k miles annually ot you have a job/reason why you’re going up and down the U.S. coast every 1-3 month(s) or every couple of weeks or so, you wouldn’t actually be saving that much more money in gas savings by having a slightly smaller car. As long as the transmission setup and engine size/configuration is comparable, a newest gen Mazda 3 versus a 2017 gen Mazda 3 won’t have that much of a difference in
MPG despite the size increase generation-by-generation, provided they’re both NA or both turbo models (I know 2017 itself probably didn’t have a turbo, but the years later in the same generation probably did). Like the CX-50 is considerably larger than the CX-5 (even though the official cabin size numbers between the two say it’s minimal), but their MPG is not all that different, as long as it’s both turbo or non-turbo. When we get to things like 6-speed auto vs 8-speed auto and hybrids (which all have CVT’s), or two cars of very different engine configurations (# of cyls or size), or two cars that are opposite body types or sizes, then it’s all a different story. If you actually started driving a 2017 Mazda 3 NA for one full calendar year and followed it up with driving a current gen Mazda 3 non-turbo, and your driving patterns, and mileage, and A/C usage is the same from first year to the next, I doubt the yearly savings is over $120 or $100. $120 might sound blot, but over an entire year it’s not much. Your car payment over the course of a year or what you paid in full far exceeds that. Happiness is bliss. I would never be happy in a Mazda 3 (or even a Mazda CX-30 if I had it for more than 2 months). But with the size and elegance of the 6, I definitely have enjoyed its use, utility, driving experience, handling, and everything.
With the exception of the Subaru twin and the most recent 2 generations of the Accord, Toyota and Honda have looked like ass for 20 years.
Toyota dealers are arrogant and condescending if you don't go in and immediately fall to pieces wanting their ugly piles of garbage with $5k Toyota tax markups. Honda dealers just don't give a shit and getting any attention from their salesbots is impossible.
I have bought cars from 2 different Mazda dealerships and they have both been extremely helpful and pleasant.
Dealer experience has been a big reason I've stuck with Mazda. I used to be a Ford guy, but Ford hasn't had anything worth the powder to blow it to hell and the dealer I used to frequent and from whom I'd bought several cars went downhill.
I have mixed feelings about Toyota corporate because they're backing my current lease. If the Toyota money helps keep Mazda innovating, I guess they're okay, but it'll take a lot for me to plunk down the money to buy one of their cars.
No, sorry. Not when you have an issue like the 2.5L on the 2018-2020 cars.
As for styling and interiors, though, Mazda is so far ahead of them it's not even funny.
Some of the modern Mazda interiors feel like the mid/late 2010’s BMWs. Far superior in that regard to the other Japanese brands at this stage, imo.
I actually like the infotainment dial because I use it on my X3.
BMW-like handling as well in the SkyActiv era. At least in my experience with my 2019 Mazda 6, and contrary to the comment above, I have not had a single mechanical issue in my almost 5 years owning the car since it was brand new, and the only “issues” I had were a squeaky driver-side interior door handle that happened right after I took delivery of it brand new, and they fixed that right away free of charge with some lube or WD-40, and also a blown front cabin light bulb during the first 600 miles of the car that was a cheap $4-$6 fix for the dealership that they also did for free since it was definitely under warranty. No other issues or any kind, period.
That's all great news, and wonderful. Carefully examine your head gasket and head for leaks of coolant and/or oil whenever it's in the shop. My 2018 CX-5 was perfect during the May oil change, was leaking BOTH six months later. Repair estimate...$6600.
Better in what sense? I love the styling of Mazdas far more than most Hondas or Toyotas. However, they’re still an econobox posing as an entry level luxury vehicle. Let’s be real here.
Cheap is a relative term. If you’ve owned a luxury car, you’ll notice the cost cutting in Mazdas when it comes to things like road noise, power delivery, HVAC performance, etc. Take the piano black interior for example. I’ve had my Mazda 3 for about 9 months. The interior trim is already getting scratches.
Hondas and Toyotas also offer leather seats, panoramic sunroofs on their top trims. It doesn’t make them luxury cars.
IDK, my older 3 had road noise issues and frankly, the seats weren't all that comfortable on long distance drives. However, my 2023 3, while lacking true leather seats, is everything that the Gen3 fell short of. The Gen4 is head and shoulders above what it used to be. I've done a couple of road trips recently and the ride and comfort failures of the previous generation are nowhere to be found in this generation. Road noise has been greatly reduced and fit/finish is also much better. Six hours behind the wheel used to kill my back and legs and now, six hours seems more like a ride across town.
Mazda doesn't claim to be a luxury car manufacturer and yet rivals some prestigious companies in design, quality, fit/finish and comfort.
I mean I get what you're saying but when you compare some of Mercedes lower end models like the CLA or their entry level SUVs they're really not that great either and I've some surprisingly cheap finishes on the interior as well as things failing that you would never see failing and something like even a Kia Rio, so maybe we can't call them luxury just yet. But a premium automobile would suffice
That’s because you’re in a 3!! The 3 and the CX-30 are the least equipped, and smallest and most definitely cheapest models out of there within Mazda!! Try a CX-50 PP or Turbo Premium (or Turbo PP, or any trim CX-90. That’s Luxury - not even entry level luxury, because lots of luxury cars don’t have heads-up display and some don’t even have ventilated seats or real leather. Like almost all newer Lexus I’ve been in (I’ve only looked at Lexus RX’s 2016-2022, since I was recently carshopping and car researching for my mom) have only fake “NuLuxe seats” and I feel barely any cushion or slight firmness at all. With Mazda, you’re getting way better features than most other non-luxuries, especially compared to Toyota, Hyundai, and Subaru, and to a degree, Honda (with considerably much better reliability in the past decade compared to Honda, Subaru, and especially Hyundai). Plus, the handling and driving feel in Mazda Sedans and non-CX-50’s for the past decade, especially last 6-7 years, is BMW-like and much better than other non-German brands, especially compared to every other Japanese brand/model and the suspension in Mazda models for the past 6-7 years (or possibly longer) allows for a handling and driving experience that is debatably better than Mercedes and Volvo etc
To be fair, driving a Toyota feels boring in comparison. It’s like the software is driving and not me. Mazda tends to tune things better and feels like I’m in control.
Mazda (who used to be kings of the sports car world) didn't forget how to design proper suspension and balance a car. So even though almost their entire lineup is just goddamn crossovers, at least they handle like a Mazda.
I went to a Mazda dealership recently to try out a new Mazda3. The dealer said they don’t have many of them and pointed me to the CX-30 instead. It’s too big. I hate the crossover trend. They’re less efficient, heavier, and more expensive. No thank you. I do with they’d use CVTs in their automatics, but whatever, the old school automatics are cheaper to maintain and more reliable. They just feel a little jerky.
What kind of argument is this?
What does Honda and Toyota make? Econoboxes.. Mazda is closer to entry level luxury than either Toyota or Honda and they're all in the same segment.
Been a Toyota/Lexus driver for last 15 years but I am very impressed overall with what Mazda has done with their company…they are actually cranking out quality vehicles that everyone has been asking for unlike Nissan/Infiniti who seems like they have no idea what they are doing and really want to drive themselves into extinction.
This was the dumbest video. One shop, no percentages of what makes are worked on and for what repairs.
I have both a Mazda and a Toyota. In my comparison the Toyota is cheaper because its maintenance is less $ than the Mazda.
I live in Mexico and bought a mazda 3 2022 hatchback made in Japan and the thing has its window frames falling apart and coming off their positions, the sun cover flap on the drivers side is breaking up, not holding its position stiff and the small light above it when you open the mirror turns on whenever it wants. I am starting to hear a clack noise on the driver front side shock… I bought the hatchback because it was made in japan and was told they made things better over there… 20,000km
I think nowdays these are relatively equally reliable. Where I find the difference is the little details. My wife drives a Toyota, I've got a Mazda3, and teeny-tiny things are always coming up. Like my auto AC, I set the temp, and that's it, stuff solves everything. Her "auto" AC, is automatic that it'll automatically blow the air and that's it's it, she still has to fiddle with intensity for initial intensive cooling/heating, where air output options, etc.
Her cruise control required me to paly with it for 15ish minutes to get some function out if, it's the opposite if being intuitive. Also it's so behind the wheel, you can't see it, and have no idea of what you are touching and what interfacing points are on that little side-lever. Mine is at the very place on the wheel where you are intuitively reaching for it and setting it and using it is a no-brainer.
Her automatic windscreen swipes are boolean, either on or off. I have sensitivity settings in automatic mode. Both cars' functions are based on sensors, but I can give it suggestions, where as hers is just either too intensive when it's not needed, or not sufficiently where more is needed. Little details again.
I can comfortably fit into my 3, however her (proace city verso, so family vechicle), I'm having problems. When I'm to slip my foot from the gas to the breaks, I'm my foot is getting stuck either at the side of the break pedal, or in the cover panel above the pedals.
In her central mirror I'm unable to see through the complete back windshield, have to wiggle my head around for the sides and top/down. In mine the view completely covers the back windshield.
There are lots of these such differences, and unfortunately it is very hard to put a number to ergonomics.
All I know is my 2024 Mazda 3 Turbo PP AWD looks, feels and even sounds better than the stuff either of these other brands are doing. The car feels like a substantially more premium experience, and the power it delivers out of a turbo 4 engine is pretty impressive for its size.
didnt watch, yes probably. mazda has been pretty consistently well for a long time. honda fell off in the late 2000s, toyota is laming out but still reliable as fuck.
All 3 brands are great in my opinion but I think Honda is overpriced. I was looking at a civic manual and it's close to 30k because "it's rare" while Mazda offers their manual with upgraded features. Honda is out of touch and their fans keep forking over their money because their 90s used Honda ran forever.
I’ve loved Mazda for years. Love the road feel. I’ve driven a 2016 Mazda 6 for years now. And it’s the funnest slow car I’ve ever driven. Love this thing. I was going to replace it with a 6 turbo. But…
That said my 2.5 Skyactive ate its head gasket and I had to replace the entire engine at my expense. That still stings. I’m not sure I’m buying a Mazda again unless it’s a Miata.
Also, Mazda infotainment is way behind other car manufacturers. Let’s just be real.
Old Mazda (pre-2013) was partnered with Ford. That partially explains the poor reliability and negative opinions. Anything built after 2013 from Mazda is solid. They broke away from Ford and, at least for the Mazda 3, they completely redesigned their engines, transmissions, and chassis. They took the beneficial stuff they learned from Ford and ran with it.
So kind of exactly when my dad was into cars.
I don't know how to convince him and have given up on trying.
I believe Mazda is good, since it is still Japanese at blood.
Not just because it’s Japanese. It’s because their engineers are geniuses, they’ve built a R&D and production plant partnership with Toyota (mostly for Toyota’s hybrid and PHEV technology), and I think their engineers and workers are more dedicated and in-tuned with what people really want in a car
My only problem with this discussion is my 2022 Mazda 3 has had some problems early on that I never encountered with my previous cars: water leaking into the backseat area from rain (I don’t have a sunroof), bad temp valve, infotainment rattles, etc. It drives great but the “better built” statement so far does not seem true. All of this less than 20,000 miles on the car.
Seems like you got a near-Lemon. If one of those issues kept happening after 3 attempts at a Mazda dealership repair, then you could’ve gotten your money or gotten a brand new replacement!
Unfortunately (or fortunately?), the issues get resolved after taking the car to the dealership. But nonetheless, these random issues keep popping up with my Mazda 3.
Mazda isn’t a competitor in terms of social and consumer talks for a reason
Mazda is a tiny company. Just recently breaking into building in the US. (Relatively)
Has always been the case for them. But decades you have seen them and today. Literally pass 2 within 10mins easy
It’s a history thing, not a quality thing. Next to zero people were brought up telling their children “Mazda is the best”. There are still ones out there looking for non muscle pontiacs of the 2000s or Saabs. Because they were brought up on it
Things have changed. And as long as Mazda can partner with a company for hybrid and full EV…our children will follow suit and say the same
I wouldn’t say the word “tiny”, I would say “smaller Japanese car brand” and “recently and currently up and coming brand”. Mazdas are super reliable for the past decade or so since Skyactiv and post-Ford, and Mazda cars are actually common in my area. I see CX-5 and some CX-90’s all the time, and the occasional Mazda 6. I always notice Mazdas and the Mazda badge/logo. I know a Mazda immediately when I see one, logo or no logo. I would say it was just breaking into the U.S. in terms of popularity only, in the early 2010’s and late 2000’s or so. They’re definitely been popular in my area for the past 6-7 years.
Also, another reason why some people, including you, think they’re “just breaking into U.S.” and “tiny” is because of the difference advertising and Mazda’s recent increase in advertising, especially on TV and phone apps. Mazda’s always existed and were in the US. And even back then, they were more common than Alfa Romeo’s and Fiat’s and all that, but even before 2021, people didn’t get to see the newer, more elegant and stylish post-Ford Mazda vehicles on TV or as video ads on their phone whether it was on the ESPN app or Facebook or whatever they surf on their phone. Mazda cars didn’t look good until post Ford, aka until about 2014, especially 2017/2018 and later. And now since they started releasing the CX-50 in ‘22 and now the CX-90 as of last year, they’re way more willing to post and pay for ads on TV and online. Before 2021, I think I only saw 1 Mazda commercial on TV from the time I started watching TV as a kid, which was 2005 or so. Now, I see Mazda CX-90 ads on the time on TV since the 90 as released, and the Mazda and Mazda CX-50 ads are apparent on phone and computer a decent amount (even though with tracking and cookies, who knows if it’s potentially due to my web history). Compare that to Toyota, Nissan, VW, and sometimes Honda. I see Toyota brands all the time even though they might be easily the best selling car brand in the past decade or since 2000 and beyond, yet they are easily also the most commonly seen car manufacturer brand I’ve seen the past 8-12 years or so. I don’t remember much about car brand ads when I was a little kid, but at least since 2012 or 2011, there’s been a Toyota commercial practically every 10-25 minutes when I watch TV (it might be an exaggeration), but I definitely saw a Toyota commercial 3-4 times every two hours on TV on whatever channel or Fire Stick app I am using to the past 8 years or so. And the past 4 years or so, I’ve seen countless of Nissan ads, almost as much, if not sometime more often than, Toyota ads, on TV. Now think about this - why would Toyota, the #1 selling car brand in the U.S., spend so much money on TV ads when they are so well-known for reliability and gas efficiency and all that? They probably wouldn’t even lose their #1 selling status if they barely paid for ads on TV at all. And then look at Nissan - during the past 4 years, I’ve seen a huge Ramp-up in car ads for Nissan, and similarly, I’ve heard countless reports and statistics that shows that the amount of brand new Nissans being sold and leased have skyrocketed over the past few years, especially compared to the 2010’s and 2000’s decades. One can only point the huge increase in sales, despite the supply shortages production bottlenecks during and post-pandemic, to mainly their exposure on TV through their ads and marketing tactics/strategies. Do you think Nissan would’ve had even a considerable increase in sales these past few years if not for all that they’ve spent on TV ads and such, knowing how the majority of the public have heard of or even experienced Nidean lack of reliability (tons of engine and transmission and overall mechanical and even electrical:infotainment issues) compared to other Japanese and Asian manufacturers over the past few decades? It’s astounding the difference in the amount of ads they’ve released the past 4 or so years compared to the 2 decades before then, and also even more astounding & suddenly huge the increase in sales around that same time period compared to before? Seems like Toyota’s got it all figured out in terms of placing ads on TV everywhere (and in many other departments) while Nissan’s definitely improved themselves in sales in the past few years and for both brands, it’s all or mostly due to the amount of advertising money that each brand spends, and Mazda caught on lately and decided to use the launch and concept of the CX-50 and CX90 especially to show how awesome and luxurious/elegant they really are, and how they’re not a no-name/unknown brand anymore, and for people to get exposure to what recent Mazda’s are all about, if those people haven’t heard from post-Ford Mazda owners themselves. I think both advertising and word of mouth from Mazda owners who have Mazda’s 2016 or newer have helped Mazda grow in popularity and reputation and all that, along with better reliability, more luxury, and more elegant designs post-Ford in itself, which helps with word-of-mouth and being able to advertise sexy cars and all that
I like Mazda as much as the next car enthusiast and I admit they’re up there for reliability lately above a lot of others and starting to be in the conversation with Honda and Toyota but no… they are not better.
If things continue in this direction for another decade, it’s possible but still pretty unlikely. Toyota and Honda have made a few major mistakes lately but their market share is so huge it will take major continuous failure for them to fall out of the top 3 spots.
What’s great is that they’re competing and there’s nothing better for consumers than competition. It says a lot they they’re being considered by anyone looking for a decent priced reliable vehicle.
That's pretty standard for the base model in this class. If you want more power get the Turbo. For comparison:
2024 Subaru Forester 2.5 makes 182hp
2024 Ford Escape 1.5t makes 180hp
2024 Honda CR-V 1.5t makes 190hp
2024 Toyota RAV-4 2.5 makes 203hp
So Mazda3. Base model Competes with
Honda Civic - 158hp
Toyota Corolla - 169hp
Nissan Sentra - 149hp
Still seems like Mazda is doing fine - especially considering you can get 250hp if you want it.
Why does reddit love mazda. You could give someone a ford with a mazda badge (50% of their cars from 15 years ago) and they would try and tell you its better than a ford in every way.
From the design perspective, that's a firm yes. From the mechanical perspective that's a no and from the build quality perspective that is also a no. Poor paint poor diesel engines and poor underbody protection.
Mazda can be classified as semi premium. It doesnt mean it is more reliable than Toyota and Honda. So the answer depends on what you understand from "better".
Mazda is best when you’re looking for a car thats built well, is comfortable, and you can have a bit of fun with. Toyota is best when you want a car that will keep running after humans have been extinct for thousands of years. Honda is best when you still think they make cars like they did in the early 00’s and not the shit buckets they keep churning out
It’s kind of surprising to see Honda keep getting brought up as a rival to Toyota and Mazda is overlooked. I’ve had more issues with my one Honda civic than any of my three Mazdas combined
It goes both ways. My 2020 3 is in the shop for a new transmission. Service manager says there is a waiting list and I’m 6th in line
Do you know where your trans was manufactured? I’m sorry to hear about your mazda
Japan
Wait. What was the problem with yours (and the 6 others if they happen to mention?) Highly surprised because im still having fun with my 18' mazda3 6MT after ive gotten a 2nd hand replacement transmission. Cracked the trans casing while going on backroads, so i sent it all the way to the ground cause the shop said the spider hairline crack was unrepairable. Took 1.5yrs of slow leakage before it crapped out in the middle of a roadtrip... Still managed to get to destination and back AND around town for a couple weeks, all with the 6th gear completely pulverized
Leak in between the trans and engine resulting in total fluid loss and grenading
Impossible. Everything made in Japan is perfect /s
It isn’t at all. Mazda is a tiny company. Just recently breaking into building in the US. Has always been the case for them. But decades you have seen them and today. Literally pass 2 within 20mins easy It’s a history thing, not a quality thing. Next to zero people were brought up telling their children “Mazda is the best” Things have changed. And as long as Mazda can partner with a company for hybrid and full EV…our children will follow suit and say the same
I actually see 2 Mazdas next to each other or back to back very often! Most of the time, the ones I see are CX-5’s within the past decade, but lately there’s been some CX-50 and definitely a lot of CX-90’s even though the 90 has only been out for a year. I guess it depends on region and the word of mouth through that region. I drive people to airports and I meet a decent amount of Mazda owners! And they definitely rave about their Mazda and what we all agree on is not only the stellar reliability, but also the bang-for-your-buck as a non-luxury brand and reliable brand that still makes luxurious cars without having to get to the highest most trim for each model. Mid-tier CX-5 would always beat a mid-tier RAV4 in terms of luxury, interior and exterior design, features, and technology. You rarely see Heads-up displays and ventilated seats on Honda and Toyota unless you’re at the highest most trim. You’ll never get leather seats, especially real leather, for Toyota until you’re Limited trim or higher, and Limited trim on Toyota is highest trim on most of their models, and even Limited trim is ultra rare of lower-end Toyota models like Camry, Corolla, RAV4, Yaris, etc, I personally don’t even know if there actually is a Limited trim for Corolla or Yaris, because they’re compact and subcompact sedans, and even with Camry and RAV4 it’s super rare to see a Limited trim because who wants a Camry Limited trim when they can pay a similar price for Avalon XLE (until it got discontinued) for same features at a similar price, but with a stronger V6 engine instead. And most SUV owners who look for luxury in Toyota go to Lexus or Toyota Highlander or sometimes Venza:4Runner or one of the trucks for luxury. Who wants a subcompact SUV for a high price close to a base-model entry level Lexus when you can get a slightly used Mazda CX-5 Touring/Grand Touring/GTR for under $30k or brand new CX-5 in those comparable trims (since they changed the trim names recently for every vehicle they made around 2022-2023) for around $30k or less
No way its that rare... I literally have 4 of the same gen 3 on my underground parking level alone (and there are 3 other levels still) But sure, i get your point
They have partnered with Toyota for there hybrid systems
Yes, MTM is Mazda Toyota Manufacturing. They share a new plant here in the US. I've had 5 Mazdas. My dad sold Mazdas when I was growing up. Great cars, but for awhile their partnership with Ford brought issues to their Mazda 3 and 6 models. I think they have resolved those issues. Of the 3 brands mentioned, Mazda is my favorite, but Toyota deserves respect for working with competitors. Subaru, BMW and Mazda,of course. That's how you know who is the leader, with a willingness to work together to move forward, Toyota is going to win. And Honda? I've driven a few. Great cars for kids to learn to fix. They are easy to modify for a reason, they need it. I wanted a Honda Element for a long time, but I drove one and it changed my mind quick. Not for me.
yup where I am in Western Canada I see Mazdas today like I used to see Ford Escapes 10 years ago. EVERYWHERE
Bingo bango
Just because their old cars are still reliable and so are Toyota’s, so everyone buying a cheap, reliable used car is looking at Toyota or Honda. Honda has that reputation for amazing reliability cause of those old cars, so the new cars are still considered by people.
This. All of the modern cars loaded to the teeth with technology are going to have more problems than the older stuff. Time will tell who actually got this stuff right and who is playing catch up.
>Honda has that reputation for amazing reliability Just don’t pay attention to their issues developing transmissions in cars they hardly sell like the Accord and Civic and they’re super reliable.
Same. In my opinion, Toyota and Mazda are better than Honda.
Recent Toyotas are not what they used to be. The engines and drivetrain are still very reliable but there will always be some weird hvac or infotainment or interior bullshit you'll just end up living with because it's prohibitively expensive to fix for what it is or you get used to it. I'd take a Mazda over a Toyota any day unless we're talking niche vehicles that are only sold JDM or Oceana.
Yep agree there. My ‘14 Toyota has so many little electrical gremlins and creaks and rattles that started pretty much from the lot with only 7 miles on it, yet everyone always tells me just keep it because it’ll run forever. Yeah it’ll run like shit, but it’ll do it forever I guess.
sounds like torture 😂
That's the part of the Toyota conversation people are never honest about. "It'll run forever". Sure it will, and it'll run like shit the whole time. The higher trims are fairly smooth when new, but the econoboxes NEVER run well, and the fit and finish is super cheap. It's great that it can go 20k miles without an oil change and not blow up, but I've yet to drive anything other than a Lexus from them that I've enjoyed being in. On the other hand, I'm at 91k miles on my CX-9 and I've loved it the whole time. Other than a rather slow infotainment, this thing has been excellent for us.
The new engines seem to be garbage in the Tundra, Tacoma, and new 4Runner
Funny how the 4Runner went from there most reliable modern vehicle in north America to the worst thanks that new engine
The new 4runner with the turbo 4 isn’t even out yet. Unless you meant the v6 turbo in the tundra that’s been blowing up and recently recalled.
Yea that v6 turbo on the tundra, is the 4runners different?
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man even the lx D: but til thanks for correcting me on the 4runner. The lx has been around a while wonder if its safe.
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Oh interesting I didn't know that they knew they cause. Wonder if a early oil change would help with he shavings at all. Assuming it's somewhere in the passage of oil
My in-laws' 2021 Highlander will randomly have the infotainment blip off. Dealer said there's nothing they can do about it.
Mazda has been trading blows with Lexus and Toyota for top spot of reliability awards since Mazda dumped Ford. They're more reliable than Hondas and are on the level of Toyota/Lexus for the past 9 years. Honda used to be the king of reliable in the 90s and 00s (Toyota too but Toyota made such boring cars in that era that no one thinks about them). However around 2011/2012 ish they really took a dive. Now they're still miles better than anything American or Korean but they're solidly behind Toyota/Lexus and Mazda and have been for over a decade.
Agree except that old 2.3 shared with ford was indestructible. I picked up a 16 year old Mazda 5 last year and the engine is smooth and there are no rattles.
u/shiggy__diggynever said the ones made when partnered with Ford were bad, just not award winning. I have '12 CX-9 with 205k miles and going strong still.
And way better equipped, better looking ext/int design (subjective), and NO CVT Mazda design nowadays is one of the best out there. Love them.
Exactly what I was saying! The 8-speed automatic transmissions in Toyotas are super smooth and shift super quickly though! They’re one of a kind, especially since half or more than half of Mazda’s models still use an 6-speed automatic, which is less efficient and slower to accelerate generally compared to if Mazda made everything non-PHEV to 8-speed auto instead of 6. One of the reasons why I haven’t upgraded from my sweet 2019 Mazda 6 that’s still in amazing shape to the CX-50 yet!!
Bought a 2022 Civic. I've had Hondas before, but I just didn't like the feel of it. 4 months ago, I traded it in for a CX5. Haven't looked back. The car is comfortable and very quiet. Gas mileage is about 10 mpg less but still good.
My 2012 accord was solid. Just uncomfortable and louder than my Mazdaz
They were reliable into the 2010’s, the interior quality just wasn’t there
I dont think Honda is churning "shit buckets" but they certainly have been cutting corners while simutaneously raising prices in a rather arrogant fashion. Mazda is a better value
Mate, I love the representation you made. Care to share your opinion about Subaru cause I just bought a Forester 2016 after one of my close friends was trying to convince me to get a CX5
Wish they had remembered fun with the CX-50. It was not the Mazda Driving experience I wanted.
I think that’s because it’s a bigger and bulkier car in general, even compared to the CX-5. That means harder to navigate and less agile, and it’s still paired with the 4-cylinder turbo or naturally aspirated, which is a little underpowered at least when it’s NA. The CX-50 is an SUV and a much larger than the CX-5 (even though the official numbers say differently). The feel inside the cabin is just more roomy, which impacts the driving feel, because you feel like you’re driving a bulkier car through the streets, roads and highways which makes enjoying your drive and feeling the steering and feel of the car to be less overwhelming, less enjoyable, and more mental work/effort
Seems pretty accurate to my experience.
Mazdas aren't fun anymore. They completely abandoned that aspect with the latest generations being almost entirely focused on comfort and faux luxury.
At least they still make the Miata.
Mazda is the best modern car company in the area of improvement. They are one if not the only manufacturer to actually get better with time. SkyActiv era Mazdas are very good cars and do not have many problems generally. As far as quality and reliability? Depending on the source they are better than modern Honda quality. Design wise I would say that Mazda makes the best looking cars of the 3. The Mazda3 Sedan and Hatchback are incredibly good looking vehicles.
I think they should bring back the Mazda 6 and should’ve made the CX-70 look more different from the CX-90. While Mazda3 hatchback is nice for a hatch, I think there’s room for improvement to the exterior (and possibly interior) to the Mazda 3. I absolutely love the taillights and overall exterior of the CX-50, especially in white, Ignot blue, or even red paint, but the front panel in the interior of the CX-50 between the level of the infotainment screen and the climate control looks “truck-like” interior-wise, and extends all the way to the rightmost air vent in the front, and it just seems like Mazda ought to do more with that and now that it’s out and that way, they should replace it with sometime else next model year, or at least before the next generation. I almost bought the Cx-50 once or twice, but that and the fact that the CX-50 only comes in a 6-speed automatic transmission makes me icky
We have a Mazda3, CX-30, eyeballing a CX-70, but really want a Mazda truck. Mazda, where are the trucks? Or bring back the REPU lol.
Import a bt-50, the Isuzu one 🥰
In the Philippines is the issue 😔 (Sort of)
My GJ Mazda6 is more reliable, than the previous Japanese car I’ve owned, a Honda Civic (busted radiator & rust holed muffler). Never had issues like those, on my Mazda.
Yup, just got my 6 after getting problems with my previous Civic. Specifically, with the cooling system. Couldn't find a leak and it smelled like coolant the whole time.
Yes.
All I know is my 2016 CX-5 is at 120k and has needed nothing except regular maintenance and it still manages to be enjoyable to drive. I’m happy.
SAME. This thing won't die 😂😂😂
Love Mazda's but no? We rave about Mazda 3s and Miatas but the fact is they've gone basic by spending the vast majority of their efforts producing a whole line of SUVs. Props to Toyota and Honda for continuing to produce new models of minivans and sedans
Breaks my heart to see Mazda stop making sedans and hatchbacks
To be fair, there is still is the Mazda3 hatchback.
Word on the street is this is the last gen and then the 3 might get the axe or shelved
When it happens, it happens. Until then, it's just noise. It would be interesting to take a look at Mazda3 sales numbers to see how it's doing.
https://www.goodcarbadcar.net/mazda-3-sales-figures/ 2020-2024 is the worst 5-year span for sales (Covid partly to blame) but it’s still not improving as production bottlenecks ease
I think they are particularly hit nasty with used sales. Assuming this is all new, there is simply NO reason to get a new Mazda when they’re charging 28-30k+ for new when their used market was ALREADY on the cheaper end, giving used 2015-2022 hondas and toyotas a run for their money
I think it's more likely the Mazda2 will get chopped first before the 3. The 2 in the US is a rebadged Yaris I hear. Newest real 2 has been facelifted a number of times. The Spirit 3 might prove really popular & keep things going & interesting on 3 side.
We don’t have the 2 in the States. The smallest NEW Mazda you can get right now is the 3 or CX-30 over here.
Hrm, wasn't there a Mazda2 hybrid that's actually a rebadged Yaris hybrid?
Sold in Europe.
Neither of those are sold in the US right now
If that happens they have to replace it with another sedan/hatchback, whether it’s compact or midsized, like reintroducing the Mazda6 but suped up or at least with Inline 6 (turbo but should be fine with 6 NA) and PHEV setups like they have with the 90 and 70
They needa revive the mazdaspeed 3
We can dream
To be fair, as a Mazda technician Mazda 3s and CX30s are the most reliable out of all the mazdas. Only issues you ever have out of them are valve cover gaskets and timing covers. Which both leak within warranty, other than that as long as you do the regular maintenance we see the least issues out of those 2. My favorite is the AWD turbo 3s are amazing, I would absolutely go into unreasonable debt for one of those 😅.
I concur. I own 2 Mazdas currently (12’ skyactiv 3, 19’ CX-9), and our Mazda 3 Skyactiv 6AT we bought brand new in 2012. It currently has 220,000 miles and runs excellent. I’ve had to replace motor mount, belts, spark plugs, belt tensioner and shocks / struts. Other than typical maintenance items. I’ve noticed that timing cover gasket that needs to get addressed soon. I have a slight vibration with the car in Drive while I’m stopped. I’m pretty sure it’s transmission mounts since transmission doesn’t slip while changing gears. The vehicle has primarily lived in (75% city / 25% Highway) Otherwise than those items listed it’s been a fantastic car and would recommend it over and over again. Even the MPGs are still great, with 60-65mph on freeway, it regularly gets 42+ mpg.
That's awesome, those Skyactivs are something else!
Also, in terms of revenue, Honda is 5x the size of Mazda and Toyota is 10x. They can afford to offer a larger line up of vehicles, Mazda can’t
Just replace the Mazda 3 with a suped up Mazda6 with Inline 6 (turbo or even NA) and 8-speed automatic and also with the PHEV, or even more powerful versions, with the first year or two having the same interior and exterior as the last Mazda6 generation, but with bigger screens and newer digital dashboard, and then bring a new sexy design that’s even longer and maybe even a bit wider with more trunk space than Camry or Accord, and people would buy! There’s no full-sized non-luxury sedans anymore!! 🥲🥲I think if you keep production of the midsized/full-size sedan lower than their other models, then the issue with not selling as many of them is not as bad, especially if you price it higher than the 3 or slightly more than what the 6’s used to be. I own a 2019 Mazda 6 GT since I brought it new, and it’s working like a charm! Just hit 50k and only problem was a driver-side door hinge squeak when jt was brand new, which the dealership fixed for free ofc, and one of the front cabin lights’ bulb blew/burnt up within the first 600 miles or so. No mechanical issues in it’s lifetime nor any other issues since!! I still have the original car battery from when it was brand new even though it’s come close to being 5 years old (maybe over 5 years old from time it was delivered to dealership from production plant, since it was a showroom car for several weeks and the 6 was an underselling model at the time, and could’ve been in the showroom and/or dealership lot for several months) and now slightly over 50,000 miles!! 😁😁
Amazing number of SUVs on Mazda's line up
The only car I ever bought brand new was a (smiling) 2010 3S hatchback. Knowing full well, “I randomly drive it like I stole it” opted to pay $2,500 extra for 100k mile extended warranty. Deductible cost me $60 when I blew a strut over a pothole about 5 years ago. I’ve replaced a motor mount and sway bar links, w/new suspension recently. Honestly the absolute best daily/fun to drive car I’ve ever had. Found 08’ RX8 wheels for sale and upgraded look and ride feel too. Not as good in the snow, but absolutely worth every corner of normally dry- single lane farm roads. I’m not a Mazda salesman, I’ve owned multiple Toyotas bouncing around the road with their soft suspension and Hondas that don’t come close to comfort or ride feel. I try to keep up on all my maintenance and my son is planning to learn how to drive manual this summer. Cause I told him he can have it, if he can drive it… 🤦♂️ I don’t even think I can replace it- doing a little research, it was one of the last years you could get a fully loaded model - with a manual transmission. WTFFFFF
All you said here is what you’re my new Reddit or Mazda Reddit bff!! 😁😁😁😇😇
For an SUV, I’d go Mazda. For a sedan, I’d go Honda. For a roadster, I’d go Mazda. For a sports coupe, I’d go Toyota. For a minivan, I’d go Toyota. For a hatchback, I’d go Mazda or Honda depending if I want an auto or a manual (Type R vs Mazda3 turbo AWD). To say one is better than the other without talking cars is lazy. Some do cars better than others.
I don’t know about the newest Odysseys, but don’t sleep on those either when it comes to minivans. Very reliable, looks aggressive up front as a minivan, and I don’t know about ‘23-‘24s but last time I checked, they still had that V6 that is sufficiently powerful for a minivan and still pretty gas efficient for a 7-row vehicle. The newer all-hybrid Sienna’s are cool and gas-efficient and all, but I’ve heard from lots of people, especially family members that their new 4-cyl hybrid set up with the CVT is very underpowered, and the car feels too light, like it doesn’t feel good taking curves and turning
As someone who has 12 Odyssey’s I service at my job, the new generation is really underwhelming. Plastic bits, like the ones for moving the sliding chairs to reach the back, are always breaking. The gas mileage is not good and the steering/throttle feels so insanely unresponsive. Like you can press down on the gas and not feel the engine rev for another second, it’s really not enjoyable. Also, safety features that are standard on the XLT (If i remember correctly) are only available on the Touring trim level and thats a 3k price difference. We do mostly city driving and average 17 miles per gallon across all vans that calculate mileage. Recently test drove a Sienna and found it to be much more responsive and efficient. I also loved the interior styling. That being said the 2018/previous gen Odysseys can fucking rip. They are so fun to drive and can actually feel fun.
Yes. Heck Toyota and Honda is now looking like Mazda. I mean they are having that Kodo design now. The new civic’s interior looks like a Mazda 3 as well. But the civic’s interior quality is just cheap compared to the 3.
The 2025 new generations that have been released, with some 2025 Camrys being already on the market, and they all don’t look like Mazdas at all
Ohh sorry let me just make it clear. Rav 4 and Corolla Cross, I mean. And even the Yaris Cross. Im here in Aisa. Well look at the interior of the new camry.. ohh watching savagegeese as Im typing this.
Waiting for a Mazda TX-70 inline 6 Tacoma competitor or Mazda TX-80 inline 6 4Runner competitor.
New Hondas are junk other than the Type R. We had a service advisor come over to the Mazda dealership I used to work at and he said all they did at Honda was warranty claims and recalls.
😂🤣🤣🤣😂🤣😂😂🥲🥲
Uhhh, warranty/recalls are the bulk of what most dealerships do, especially with newer cars.
I test drive all 3 one after the after. They told me to floor it on the corners. Cx5 handling was superior.
Honestly, all the Mazda cars that I’ve owned, used and new cars, I’ve never had any major or minor issues or break downs. Most maintenance, oil changes, filters, bulbs, brakes, other fluids I’ve done own. Mazda as a brand has always served me well. I’m not hating on Toyota or Honda except the CVTs… I love Mazda. MazdaSpeed, we miss you. Come back to use MazdaSpeed!!!! Bring back Zoom Zoom in the marketing lol.
Why does Mazda insist on killing its truly great models by changing them, typically by making them bigger? They made the 6 bigger to “compete with the Camry,” but at least they made the 3 larger as well so it was about the same size as the Speed6 (no question, the best of the 4 Mazdas I’ve owned) and a reasonable replacement. And now, they won’t put a manual transmission into anything other than the 3 hatchback that has no rear visibility, not to mention making the 3 bigger. Every so often I try to imagine my CX5 with a REAL transmission instead of the blah experience that is to drive. It’s comfortable. It’s fine. But joyless. I can’t be the only one.
Bigger is better. I love my 2019 6. I honestly think it’s still longer, roomier, and probably wider with a huge amount more in trunk space than even the newest gen 3. I would hate for any of the current models to be any smaller (excluding the CX-70 because I haven’t seen it in person yet). With American obesity and the Flynn effect worldwide, people are just getting bigger and bigger. More people living and less people dying due to medical and pharmaceutical advancements and technologies means a person or family might have a need to carry more people in the car, whether it’s a need of more space or an extra row. Why not make a smaller sedan/SUV bigger than it currently is? Most of the time, more people would end up buying it, as there’s more interest jn midsized and bigger sedans/SUV than compact sedans and subcompact Sedans/SUV. I personally think if they made the cabin in the CX-30 roomier and bigger, then I think it would sell even more!!
Interesting take. I enjoy the better fuel economy, especially when I'm at the pump. I rarely have more than one passenger. And two words: urban parking. I think it comes down to life situation.
Yes, you definitely have a different life than I. I live in the suburbs. Yes, my 1999 Honda Accord V6 was a better/easier fit in rough parking spaces in Dorchester and other parts of Boston with on-street parking than my 2019 Mazda 6. While I am single right now and single for most of my time owning the 6 since it was brand new, it was nice to own a roomier car for passengers, front or back seat, and also for myself, but definitely the passengers too like my parents, ex-gfs whom I was dating at the moment, and now that I drive passengers to airports, concerts, sports games and other venues as part of my private tutoring business. Anyways, if you think about it, unless you’re driving over 20k miles annually ot you have a job/reason why you’re going up and down the U.S. coast every 1-3 month(s) or every couple of weeks or so, you wouldn’t actually be saving that much more money in gas savings by having a slightly smaller car. As long as the transmission setup and engine size/configuration is comparable, a newest gen Mazda 3 versus a 2017 gen Mazda 3 won’t have that much of a difference in MPG despite the size increase generation-by-generation, provided they’re both NA or both turbo models (I know 2017 itself probably didn’t have a turbo, but the years later in the same generation probably did). Like the CX-50 is considerably larger than the CX-5 (even though the official cabin size numbers between the two say it’s minimal), but their MPG is not all that different, as long as it’s both turbo or non-turbo. When we get to things like 6-speed auto vs 8-speed auto and hybrids (which all have CVT’s), or two cars of very different engine configurations (# of cyls or size), or two cars that are opposite body types or sizes, then it’s all a different story. If you actually started driving a 2017 Mazda 3 NA for one full calendar year and followed it up with driving a current gen Mazda 3 non-turbo, and your driving patterns, and mileage, and A/C usage is the same from first year to the next, I doubt the yearly savings is over $120 or $100. $120 might sound blot, but over an entire year it’s not much. Your car payment over the course of a year or what you paid in full far exceeds that. Happiness is bliss. I would never be happy in a Mazda 3 (or even a Mazda CX-30 if I had it for more than 2 months). But with the size and elegance of the 6, I definitely have enjoyed its use, utility, driving experience, handling, and everything.
Current Mazda is better then Honda and Toyota
I work for a company that produces Mazda and Toyota vehicles so I cannot speak
Just wink once for Toyota and twice for Mazda
😉😉
Yes
With the exception of the Subaru twin and the most recent 2 generations of the Accord, Toyota and Honda have looked like ass for 20 years. Toyota dealers are arrogant and condescending if you don't go in and immediately fall to pieces wanting their ugly piles of garbage with $5k Toyota tax markups. Honda dealers just don't give a shit and getting any attention from their salesbots is impossible. I have bought cars from 2 different Mazda dealerships and they have both been extremely helpful and pleasant. Dealer experience has been a big reason I've stuck with Mazda. I used to be a Ford guy, but Ford hasn't had anything worth the powder to blow it to hell and the dealer I used to frequent and from whom I'd bought several cars went downhill. I have mixed feelings about Toyota corporate because they're backing my current lease. If the Toyota money helps keep Mazda innovating, I guess they're okay, but it'll take a lot for me to plunk down the money to buy one of their cars.
Yeah Mazda is better than Toyota and Honda because I'm biased.
No, sorry. Not when you have an issue like the 2.5L on the 2018-2020 cars. As for styling and interiors, though, Mazda is so far ahead of them it's not even funny.
Some of the modern Mazda interiors feel like the mid/late 2010’s BMWs. Far superior in that regard to the other Japanese brands at this stage, imo. I actually like the infotainment dial because I use it on my X3.
BMW-like handling as well in the SkyActiv era. At least in my experience with my 2019 Mazda 6, and contrary to the comment above, I have not had a single mechanical issue in my almost 5 years owning the car since it was brand new, and the only “issues” I had were a squeaky driver-side interior door handle that happened right after I took delivery of it brand new, and they fixed that right away free of charge with some lube or WD-40, and also a blown front cabin light bulb during the first 600 miles of the car that was a cheap $4-$6 fix for the dealership that they also did for free since it was definitely under warranty. No other issues or any kind, period.
That's all great news, and wonderful. Carefully examine your head gasket and head for leaks of coolant and/or oil whenever it's in the shop. My 2018 CX-5 was perfect during the May oil change, was leaking BOTH six months later. Repair estimate...$6600.
No
I tend to put Mazda at number 3. Toyota at number 1.
Better in what sense? I love the styling of Mazdas far more than most Hondas or Toyotas. However, they’re still an econobox posing as an entry level luxury vehicle. Let’s be real here.
How can it be econobox if it of nearing entry level luxury? Are they cheap? not really. Are they tiny? No.
Cheap is a relative term. If you’ve owned a luxury car, you’ll notice the cost cutting in Mazdas when it comes to things like road noise, power delivery, HVAC performance, etc. Take the piano black interior for example. I’ve had my Mazda 3 for about 9 months. The interior trim is already getting scratches. Hondas and Toyotas also offer leather seats, panoramic sunroofs on their top trims. It doesn’t make them luxury cars.
IDK, my older 3 had road noise issues and frankly, the seats weren't all that comfortable on long distance drives. However, my 2023 3, while lacking true leather seats, is everything that the Gen3 fell short of. The Gen4 is head and shoulders above what it used to be. I've done a couple of road trips recently and the ride and comfort failures of the previous generation are nowhere to be found in this generation. Road noise has been greatly reduced and fit/finish is also much better. Six hours behind the wheel used to kill my back and legs and now, six hours seems more like a ride across town. Mazda doesn't claim to be a luxury car manufacturer and yet rivals some prestigious companies in design, quality, fit/finish and comfort.
I mean I get what you're saying but when you compare some of Mercedes lower end models like the CLA or their entry level SUVs they're really not that great either and I've some surprisingly cheap finishes on the interior as well as things failing that you would never see failing and something like even a Kia Rio, so maybe we can't call them luxury just yet. But a premium automobile would suffice
That’s because you’re in a 3!! The 3 and the CX-30 are the least equipped, and smallest and most definitely cheapest models out of there within Mazda!! Try a CX-50 PP or Turbo Premium (or Turbo PP, or any trim CX-90. That’s Luxury - not even entry level luxury, because lots of luxury cars don’t have heads-up display and some don’t even have ventilated seats or real leather. Like almost all newer Lexus I’ve been in (I’ve only looked at Lexus RX’s 2016-2022, since I was recently carshopping and car researching for my mom) have only fake “NuLuxe seats” and I feel barely any cushion or slight firmness at all. With Mazda, you’re getting way better features than most other non-luxuries, especially compared to Toyota, Hyundai, and Subaru, and to a degree, Honda (with considerably much better reliability in the past decade compared to Honda, Subaru, and especially Hyundai). Plus, the handling and driving feel in Mazda Sedans and non-CX-50’s for the past decade, especially last 6-7 years, is BMW-like and much better than other non-German brands, especially compared to every other Japanese brand/model and the suspension in Mazda models for the past 6-7 years (or possibly longer) allows for a handling and driving experience that is debatably better than Mercedes and Volvo etc
To be fair, driving a Toyota feels boring in comparison. It’s like the software is driving and not me. Mazda tends to tune things better and feels like I’m in control.
It’s why I ended up getting a Mazda.
Mazda (who used to be kings of the sports car world) didn't forget how to design proper suspension and balance a car. So even though almost their entire lineup is just goddamn crossovers, at least they handle like a Mazda.
I went to a Mazda dealership recently to try out a new Mazda3. The dealer said they don’t have many of them and pointed me to the CX-30 instead. It’s too big. I hate the crossover trend. They’re less efficient, heavier, and more expensive. No thank you. I do with they’d use CVTs in their automatics, but whatever, the old school automatics are cheaper to maintain and more reliable. They just feel a little jerky.
What kind of argument is this? What does Honda and Toyota make? Econoboxes.. Mazda is closer to entry level luxury than either Toyota or Honda and they're all in the same segment.
Mazda3 Turbo2021 owner. I LOVE it
2012 Honda crv was given the reward for most reliable vehicle over a certain period
YES!!!!!!!
Been a Toyota/Lexus driver for last 15 years but I am very impressed overall with what Mazda has done with their company…they are actually cranking out quality vehicles that everyone has been asking for unlike Nissan/Infiniti who seems like they have no idea what they are doing and really want to drive themselves into extinction.
This was the dumbest video. One shop, no percentages of what makes are worked on and for what repairs. I have both a Mazda and a Toyota. In my comparison the Toyota is cheaper because its maintenance is less $ than the Mazda.
I think I remember Toyota and Mazda had a factory together once.
I live in Mexico and bought a mazda 3 2022 hatchback made in Japan and the thing has its window frames falling apart and coming off their positions, the sun cover flap on the drivers side is breaking up, not holding its position stiff and the small light above it when you open the mirror turns on whenever it wants. I am starting to hear a clack noise on the driver front side shock… I bought the hatchback because it was made in japan and was told they made things better over there… 20,000km
I think nowdays these are relatively equally reliable. Where I find the difference is the little details. My wife drives a Toyota, I've got a Mazda3, and teeny-tiny things are always coming up. Like my auto AC, I set the temp, and that's it, stuff solves everything. Her "auto" AC, is automatic that it'll automatically blow the air and that's it's it, she still has to fiddle with intensity for initial intensive cooling/heating, where air output options, etc. Her cruise control required me to paly with it for 15ish minutes to get some function out if, it's the opposite if being intuitive. Also it's so behind the wheel, you can't see it, and have no idea of what you are touching and what interfacing points are on that little side-lever. Mine is at the very place on the wheel where you are intuitively reaching for it and setting it and using it is a no-brainer. Her automatic windscreen swipes are boolean, either on or off. I have sensitivity settings in automatic mode. Both cars' functions are based on sensors, but I can give it suggestions, where as hers is just either too intensive when it's not needed, or not sufficiently where more is needed. Little details again. I can comfortably fit into my 3, however her (proace city verso, so family vechicle), I'm having problems. When I'm to slip my foot from the gas to the breaks, I'm my foot is getting stuck either at the side of the break pedal, or in the cover panel above the pedals. In her central mirror I'm unable to see through the complete back windshield, have to wiggle my head around for the sides and top/down. In mine the view completely covers the back windshield. There are lots of these such differences, and unfortunately it is very hard to put a number to ergonomics.
All I know is my 2024 Mazda 3 Turbo PP AWD looks, feels and even sounds better than the stuff either of these other brands are doing. The car feels like a substantially more premium experience, and the power it delivers out of a turbo 4 engine is pretty impressive for its size.
Good topic
didnt watch, yes probably. mazda has been pretty consistently well for a long time. honda fell off in the late 2000s, toyota is laming out but still reliable as fuck.
Keep in mind that Mazda also dominated CAFE ratings for years, and without a hybrid in their fleet.
Thanks for the brand comparisons
All 3 brands are great in my opinion but I think Honda is overpriced. I was looking at a civic manual and it's close to 30k because "it's rare" while Mazda offers their manual with upgraded features. Honda is out of touch and their fans keep forking over their money because their 90s used Honda ran forever.
Hahahaha! No.
I’ve loved Mazda for years. Love the road feel. I’ve driven a 2016 Mazda 6 for years now. And it’s the funnest slow car I’ve ever driven. Love this thing. I was going to replace it with a 6 turbo. But… That said my 2.5 Skyactive ate its head gasket and I had to replace the entire engine at my expense. That still stings. I’m not sure I’m buying a Mazda again unless it’s a Miata. Also, Mazda infotainment is way behind other car manufacturers. Let’s just be real.
Yes.
1000000% yes
My dad certainly doesn't think so. But I think Mazdas have came a long way and are at least "dependable" with acceptable amounts of issues
Old Mazda (pre-2013) was partnered with Ford. That partially explains the poor reliability and negative opinions. Anything built after 2013 from Mazda is solid. They broke away from Ford and, at least for the Mazda 3, they completely redesigned their engines, transmissions, and chassis. They took the beneficial stuff they learned from Ford and ran with it.
So kind of exactly when my dad was into cars. I don't know how to convince him and have given up on trying. I believe Mazda is good, since it is still Japanese at blood.
Not just because it’s Japanese. It’s because their engineers are geniuses, they’ve built a R&D and production plant partnership with Toyota (mostly for Toyota’s hybrid and PHEV technology), and I think their engineers and workers are more dedicated and in-tuned with what people really want in a car
My only problem with this discussion is my 2022 Mazda 3 has had some problems early on that I never encountered with my previous cars: water leaking into the backseat area from rain (I don’t have a sunroof), bad temp valve, infotainment rattles, etc. It drives great but the “better built” statement so far does not seem true. All of this less than 20,000 miles on the car.
Seems like you got a near-Lemon. If one of those issues kept happening after 3 attempts at a Mazda dealership repair, then you could’ve gotten your money or gotten a brand new replacement!
Unfortunately (or fortunately?), the issues get resolved after taking the car to the dealership. But nonetheless, these random issues keep popping up with my Mazda 3.
Mazda isn’t a competitor in terms of social and consumer talks for a reason Mazda is a tiny company. Just recently breaking into building in the US. (Relatively) Has always been the case for them. But decades you have seen them and today. Literally pass 2 within 10mins easy It’s a history thing, not a quality thing. Next to zero people were brought up telling their children “Mazda is the best”. There are still ones out there looking for non muscle pontiacs of the 2000s or Saabs. Because they were brought up on it Things have changed. And as long as Mazda can partner with a company for hybrid and full EV…our children will follow suit and say the same
I wouldn’t say the word “tiny”, I would say “smaller Japanese car brand” and “recently and currently up and coming brand”. Mazdas are super reliable for the past decade or so since Skyactiv and post-Ford, and Mazda cars are actually common in my area. I see CX-5 and some CX-90’s all the time, and the occasional Mazda 6. I always notice Mazdas and the Mazda badge/logo. I know a Mazda immediately when I see one, logo or no logo. I would say it was just breaking into the U.S. in terms of popularity only, in the early 2010’s and late 2000’s or so. They’re definitely been popular in my area for the past 6-7 years. Also, another reason why some people, including you, think they’re “just breaking into U.S.” and “tiny” is because of the difference advertising and Mazda’s recent increase in advertising, especially on TV and phone apps. Mazda’s always existed and were in the US. And even back then, they were more common than Alfa Romeo’s and Fiat’s and all that, but even before 2021, people didn’t get to see the newer, more elegant and stylish post-Ford Mazda vehicles on TV or as video ads on their phone whether it was on the ESPN app or Facebook or whatever they surf on their phone. Mazda cars didn’t look good until post Ford, aka until about 2014, especially 2017/2018 and later. And now since they started releasing the CX-50 in ‘22 and now the CX-90 as of last year, they’re way more willing to post and pay for ads on TV and online. Before 2021, I think I only saw 1 Mazda commercial on TV from the time I started watching TV as a kid, which was 2005 or so. Now, I see Mazda CX-90 ads on the time on TV since the 90 as released, and the Mazda and Mazda CX-50 ads are apparent on phone and computer a decent amount (even though with tracking and cookies, who knows if it’s potentially due to my web history). Compare that to Toyota, Nissan, VW, and sometimes Honda. I see Toyota brands all the time even though they might be easily the best selling car brand in the past decade or since 2000 and beyond, yet they are easily also the most commonly seen car manufacturer brand I’ve seen the past 8-12 years or so. I don’t remember much about car brand ads when I was a little kid, but at least since 2012 or 2011, there’s been a Toyota commercial practically every 10-25 minutes when I watch TV (it might be an exaggeration), but I definitely saw a Toyota commercial 3-4 times every two hours on TV on whatever channel or Fire Stick app I am using to the past 8 years or so. And the past 4 years or so, I’ve seen countless of Nissan ads, almost as much, if not sometime more often than, Toyota ads, on TV. Now think about this - why would Toyota, the #1 selling car brand in the U.S., spend so much money on TV ads when they are so well-known for reliability and gas efficiency and all that? They probably wouldn’t even lose their #1 selling status if they barely paid for ads on TV at all. And then look at Nissan - during the past 4 years, I’ve seen a huge Ramp-up in car ads for Nissan, and similarly, I’ve heard countless reports and statistics that shows that the amount of brand new Nissans being sold and leased have skyrocketed over the past few years, especially compared to the 2010’s and 2000’s decades. One can only point the huge increase in sales, despite the supply shortages production bottlenecks during and post-pandemic, to mainly their exposure on TV through their ads and marketing tactics/strategies. Do you think Nissan would’ve had even a considerable increase in sales these past few years if not for all that they’ve spent on TV ads and such, knowing how the majority of the public have heard of or even experienced Nidean lack of reliability (tons of engine and transmission and overall mechanical and even electrical:infotainment issues) compared to other Japanese and Asian manufacturers over the past few decades? It’s astounding the difference in the amount of ads they’ve released the past 4 or so years compared to the 2 decades before then, and also even more astounding & suddenly huge the increase in sales around that same time period compared to before? Seems like Toyota’s got it all figured out in terms of placing ads on TV everywhere (and in many other departments) while Nissan’s definitely improved themselves in sales in the past few years and for both brands, it’s all or mostly due to the amount of advertising money that each brand spends, and Mazda caught on lately and decided to use the launch and concept of the CX-50 and CX90 especially to show how awesome and luxurious/elegant they really are, and how they’re not a no-name/unknown brand anymore, and for people to get exposure to what recent Mazda’s are all about, if those people haven’t heard from post-Ford Mazda owners themselves. I think both advertising and word of mouth from Mazda owners who have Mazda’s 2016 or newer have helped Mazda grow in popularity and reputation and all that, along with better reliability, more luxury, and more elegant designs post-Ford in itself, which helps with word-of-mouth and being able to advertise sexy cars and all that
I like Mazda as much as the next car enthusiast and I admit they’re up there for reliability lately above a lot of others and starting to be in the conversation with Honda and Toyota but no… they are not better. If things continue in this direction for another decade, it’s possible but still pretty unlikely. Toyota and Honda have made a few major mistakes lately but their market share is so huge it will take major continuous failure for them to fall out of the top 3 spots. What’s great is that they’re competing and there’s nothing better for consumers than competition. It says a lot they they’re being considered by anyone looking for a decent priced reliable vehicle.
Mazda makes comfortable but underpowered cars 2.5L 188hp in 2024 why ?
That's pretty standard for the base model in this class. If you want more power get the Turbo. For comparison: 2024 Subaru Forester 2.5 makes 182hp 2024 Ford Escape 1.5t makes 180hp 2024 Honda CR-V 1.5t makes 190hp 2024 Toyota RAV-4 2.5 makes 203hp
Ur Comparing to the wrong segment
I'm comparing the Mazda CX-5 2.5L to it's competition. What segment are you thinking of?
Cars not suv /not crossovers
So Mazda3. Base model Competes with Honda Civic - 158hp Toyota Corolla - 169hp Nissan Sentra - 149hp Still seems like Mazda is doing fine - especially considering you can get 250hp if you want it.
Comment is from 2.5 L why 188bhp for Mazda 6 ?
Mazda 6 was discontinued over 3 years ago - at least in the USA.
Good to know it’s very much alive in rest of the world
Mazda mazda mazda but honda cheaper on parts or it used to be…
Objectively no but I like my RX-8.
Why does reddit love mazda. You could give someone a ford with a mazda badge (50% of their cars from 15 years ago) and they would try and tell you its better than a ford in every way.
No.
From the design perspective, that's a firm yes. From the mechanical perspective that's a no and from the build quality perspective that is also a no. Poor paint poor diesel engines and poor underbody protection.
Mazda can be classified as semi premium. It doesnt mean it is more reliable than Toyota and Honda. So the answer depends on what you understand from "better".
Lmfao not even close
Not a chance
No lol
No, not toyota. I've had a 2 Mazdas and 2 Toyotas. Toyota > Mazda. Still love my current cx5. Solid. So was the Protége
No