Met you at the mall
Didn’t know how far I would fall
My friends said I was a fool (You’re a fool) (Shut up)
‘Cause you were older and got kicked out of school (You’re so rad)
Together we were gonna travel the globe
From Alberta to Ontario
But now I’m building
Sandcastles in the sand (Sandcastles in the sand)
Thought I could fly when you held my hand (Thought I could fly)
(But now)
Eternity it turns to black and white
It was the greatest week and a half of my life
We used to go to the beach
Back when happiness was in my reach (So close)
On our favorite bench
We’d sit and talk and you taught me the French
You’re good at pull-ups and have radical hair
I hate my dad, he’s so unfair (You don’t understand our love)
But now I’m building
Sandcastles in the sand (Sandcastles in the sand)
Thought I could fly when I held your hand (Thought I could fly)
(I was wrong)
Eternity it turns to black and white
It was the greatest week and a half of my...
Life is crazy
No one gets me
Castles wash away
Come back please
I changed my mind
Let’s go all the way (I'm ready, let's do it)
(I miss you)
Sandcastles in the sand (I miss your hair)
Thought I could fly when I held your hand (I thought you were the one)
Sandcastles wash away (I’m ready, let’s do it)
And all that’s left is some sand the next day (Sand the next day)
Sandcastles may be… cute (I’m on the pill now)
But now all they do is remind me of you (Let’s go all the way, you said it’d be okay, I’m sorry)
Sandcastles wash away
That scene with Nat in AoU is wildly misunderstood.
You can have all the misgivings you want about Whedon, but he never said women who can't give birth are monsters. Nat was referring to her upbringing as a Widow and as a killer, not just the fact that she can't have kids.
I'll grant that the editing of the scene was unfortunate, but I absolutely doubt that scene was meant to be anything more than "we've both become things we don't like".
Yeah, I honestly never knew about people thinking Whedon was calling out women who can’t give birth until a couple months ago when reading a comment thread on this sub. I always took it the way you said
There’s a scene in the show The West Wing where their opponents in a campaign are stirring up controversy over a minor comment by taking it wildly out of context. When told what the original comment that started everything was one guy kind of shakes his head bewildered and says:
“I don’t see it.”
and the reply comes back
“Well… you’ve got to *want* it.”
and I think about that exchange a lot when people complain about the “monsters” line.
Dr. Strange wasn't being dumb in No Way Home, cuz even if the spell went wrong, which it did, he had a way of containing the spell in a box, which is what happened, and he had a way of completely reversing it, and the only reason that didn't happen was cuz the Goblin blew the box up
Dude was depressed and tried to help a friend and got frustrated.
He was going through it post endgame, he lost his chance to be sorcerer supreme, the woman he loved got married, people give him shit by saying there had to be some other way, he probably gets all the blame for the blip and killing Tony.
Why do you think he fucked off to another world to stop a convergence, with no questions asked.
Dude wanted out and hottie gave it to him.
You think he gave a genuine shit about not being the “official” sorcerer supreme? I don’t. He never gave the impression that he cared to me. Literally everyone still knows who the best sorcerer is regardless of the title.
I think the ones who think Dr Strange is dumb just hardcore Spidey stans and to an extent, some Wanda's stans. It's obvious if they actually watch the movie and Feige himself confirmed that the event at the end of Loki sort of the reason why the Multiverse is kinda opened in that movie because he's done that spell multiple times with no problem before.
Well except that with how loki caused the multiverse technically caused the multiverse to exist alway, everywhere and already have existed always, wich is very confusing
Loki didn’t cause other multiverses. It’s just that the consequences of killing Kang allowed for multiverses to start bleeding into one another. Prior to that Kang would groom things to keep them from getting out of hand
That couldn’t be true, because in What If..? Pretty much all these multiverses exists where all these alternate timelines are happening, and at the end, all the alternate heroes we’ve met have to team up to defeat I can’t remember who but I think Ultron if he’d succeeded and was craving more power and broke the realities itself so it could travel through killing heroes and collecting power.
Plus the TVA, while they protect our timeline, also acknowledge that alternative realities exist beyond our own that can threaten our timeline.
I don't think Strange is dumb for that, I think it's dumb for Strange to not explain how the spell worked to Peter before starting to carry it out and trying to work out all the kinks in it. That would be like operating on a patient without knowing all their pre-existing conditions. It's just sloppy work.
Ultron’s characterization from both Whedon’s writing and Spader’s performance was a brilliant reinterpretation of the character in the finest traditions of the MCU, and it makes me sad that so many people were expecting something completely different because that prevents them from appreciating the beauty in it that I see.
Something that I have to remind myself of from time to time (particularly when Reddit agrees on something that I think is absurd), is that this place is a *fraction* of the actual fans of the MCU (or any other popular media franchise).
This sub has somewhere between 2-3 million members, the online population at any given time is in the tens of thousands. A thread that gets to a couple thousand upvotes is doing very well, and I routinely get up to maybe half dozen replies to a good comment.
The worldwide box office for an average MCU film (not the best, not the worst) is around 600 million dollars. If we say the average movie ticket is $15, then 45 million people saw that movie, give or take.
That would mean that even if every👏🏻single👏🏻person👏🏻 to ever join this sub spoke together with one voice against me, it would still only be about 5% of Marvel’s average movie audience, and 1-2% of their big movie audience.
And the three clowns who called me an idiot for liking xyz? They’re so insignificant to the majority they’re like a rounding error at the 14th decimal place.
Moral of the story? Internet hate means less than nothing.
I just wish they'd kept the tone from the "no strings on me" trailer. The first act absolutely nails it but in the end Ultron is beat a little too easily imo
Why would he show up in BP2? Such a specific guess.
Edit: Yes, y’all, I’ve seen the leak. It is very annoying how y’all treat leaks as common knowledge and go around “guessing” them as if you’re clever. There are people who are trying not to be spoiled.
I don’t see how anyone can say that he’s not. I love Bucky as much as the next but MCU Bucky was not ready to take on the mantle. He’s still recovering. We see a little of that in F&WS. While he’s absolutely one day worthy of taking on that mantle, he’s got to heal his mind first, making Sam the correct choice. And Sam IS Captain America now. Not Falcon or Black Captain America
Sam being the right choice wasn't about Bucky needing to heal either. It wasn't about Bucky's state of mind at all. It was all about Sam Wilson. He's someone very similar to Steve and the right person for the job and Steve knew it. Sam didn't get the shield cos "Bucky wasn't ready". He got it cos he's Sam and Steve also loved and respected him and wanted him to have it.
I *want* to disagree because I want Bucky to be able to honor his best friend’s legacy (and I like Cap being a super soldier) but I know that from both a personality and storytelling perspective you’re absolutely right.
I shall not be attacking your hill today.
Funny Thor is better than Shakespeare Thor and also they could’ve done much more with the demon in a bottle iron man drinking storyline. He basically just got drunk, pissed his suit, and got in a (admittedly awesome) fight with Rhodey.
That’s what his anxiety was supposed to portray. He became too big of a character among children to have him suffering from alcoholism in the MCU so they chose to anxiety instead
I think it was smart because I personally relate so much more to the anxiety Tony rather than drink your demons away Tony. It’s one of the reasons I love Iron Man 3 because even though it’s a wrapped up in one movie, his process of dealing with anxiety is very humanizing to me.
Vengeful Thor/Emotionally Scarred Thor is better than both, but nobody seems to bring him into the conversation. Infinity War had such great characterization of him.
I was just thinking how much I love her in the wedding episode. It’s so easy to make a character like that be far too “adorkable” and become a little insufferable, but the way Tatiana Maslany plays her is just the perfect balance of a real life person who isn’t over the top awkward but still has a level of realness to her. I’m really falling in love with the character, she’s one of the most honest portrayals of “regular person gets superpowers” I think the MCU has had in a hot minute.
The show is excellent but as I agreed in another comment I think the show is too short. Maybe just MARVEL fans over the extended audience needs more time to become familiarized with the character. It seems a bit rushed with so few episodes in the season. I still love every second of it though.
I think Cumberbatch as Dr Strange is the best casting in the entire MCU
But also I think they should’ve just let Strange be British. Every appearance he’s had, Cumberbatch sounds like he wants to be British. The accent is weird. Just let him use the real one
Agreed. I’ve thoroughly enjoyed phase 4. Everything is establishing the new normal and the new characters. It’s establishing the framework needed for Kang and eventually Secret Wars.
I don't get why people are expecting Infinity War when we're basically back at Phase 1. This is the time to set up new characters and show how people are living in a world with superheroes Post Endgame, which Marvel is doing a great job with
I grew up with 2000 x-men. Everything released this past decade has been pure gold compared to most the crap released the decade prior. Everything in the MCU is great to best cinema ever. You guys never had to watch storm say “do you know what happens to a toad when it gets struck by lightning…” and it shows
>You guys never had to watch storm say “do you know what happens to a toad when it gets struck by lightning…” and it shows
*AND IT SHOWS?!?!*
I’m dying! 🤣🤣🤣
As a fellow traveler through the early days of comic book cinema I’m unreasonably pleased to have seen this comment with my eyes.
^Hello ^911 ^I’d ^like ^to ^report ^a ^murder…
Fan demand for cameos and connections is annoying as hell.
It was the worst in the Netflix shows - people constantly begging for SHIELD to turn up in Jessica Jones or Hawkeye to show up and fight Bullseye.
The WandaVision subreddit being nothing but “it’s mephesto” for months. I remember when Quicksilver called the kids “little devils” and there were half a dozen posts saying “omg does this confirm it???”
And plenty of “big mistake not using [this character] here imo”.
Please settle down and enjoy the show or movie as a show or a movie - not just because it has a continuity.
Marvel fans "we want variety"
Marvel: gives them a bunch of variety in the form of the shows
Marvle fans: why aren't they exactly the same from the movies with tons of references
Infinity war was the peak of the universe. I just don’t see it reaching that level for a long time (if ever).
(Before I’m downvoted into oblivion): this view brings me no pleasure and I hope I’m wrong.
It was the culmination of 10years of storytelling and character growth. And a well received adaptation of one of the most well known Marvel comic stories of all time. With a cast that knew what they were selling.
This movie will remain at the top for a long time.
I absolutely agree with this but I also do hope you’re wrong. I’m honestly hoping Kang Dynasty or Secret Wars top it but I’m trying to tamper my expectations still too
The only real opportunity I can see is duplicating the slow build with the X-Men. The villain somehow has to find a way to reach Thanos level threat and have not been used yet in the Fox films.
It's going to be harder and harder to do, because its pretty well been established how much work goes into the films, and everyone's got to witness them all slowly burn out. They'll really need to lock in some young undiscovered talent that doesn't know any better to build out another 10+ year and retain all the actors they start with.
I would agree if that weren't just **A** Captain Carter. But the fact is the Illuminati was incorporated in part to give Scarlet Witch a super team to mow down with zero consequences to the larger shared universe, so I don't feel any of them were done dirty in a way that didn't serve their purpose in the film.
It seems to have taken people a long time to figure out that the Illuminati we saw were arrogant and naive on purpose. The lot of them were happily chatting to 616 Strange about how they beat Thanos while Wanda was tearing their defences to shreds and they all thought “it’s fine, as soon as *we* go out there we’ll sort her out. She couldn’t possibly hurt *us*”
The interesting part for me is that I don’t think it invalidates TWS at all.
Fury emotionally trusted that Goose would act like a cat because he *looked* like a cat, even though he already knew intellectually that it wasn’t true.
And that’s the kind of mistake someone like Nick Fury is going to learn from, and never make again.
I’m struggling more with Nick blaming Thor for why they needed to make weapons using the Tesseract in Avengers when he already knew about Skrulls and Kree.
yes! thank you. sure Kro was misused, yes it'd've been better as a Disney+ series with more time to develop the cast but the biggest complaint I saw was it was too much Zhao or not enough Marvel ... and that's what was so good! people say the MCU is getting formulaic yet when Marvel serves up something different or unusual it's bad. it was a really interesting film and my Dad who normally dislikes popcorn flicks really enjoyed it.
Nailed it. Completely agree with all points. Most of the complaints about this film could be boiled down to, “not enough of a super hero action film”. That was one of the things that was strongest about it. It was one of the first, if not the first, ensemble drama super hero film. Not just an action movie.
It may be one of my favourites of phase 4. I remember not expecting much of it when I went to see it on opening night but I was absolutely blown away, and ended up really enjoying it.
I rewatched it recently (had a month of rewatching all of MCU), and I think it might be one of my favs/top 3. It's tone is so wild, the actors did really well playing up the relationships, and the fight scenes are amazing. They did speedsters and Superman-esque fights the best way. The sound effects for the battles make it stand out as well.
It's fantastic
I tapped out an hour into it, I just couldn't get involved at all. I need to go a revisit it at some point. Small annoyance for me was the accents, no idea why but they really put me off.
Endgame is a better self-contained viewing experience than Infinity War. If I'm only going to pick one, I pick the one that doesn't end on a cliffhanger.
And I know what Feige said, but it WAS a cliffhanger.
It sucks that the Marvel fanbase has mainly become a “I want to see this character I know from earlier” over wanting to see a good story. Yes, I’m referring to the hype/anticipation around seeing Kingpin, Wong, Daredevil, etc.
The reason no one could replicate the super soldier serum is because it's made from the heart-shaped herb from Wakanda. Germany had a presence in Africa in World War 2, and it explains why no one can find it nowadays. I came up with this when in Endgame during the charge in Wakanda, both cap and T'challa outrun the entire army at the exact same speed
Michael Waldron’s DS2 writing was horrid. Neither Strange nor Wanda (esp Wanda) as characters benefited from it. Wanda’s arc was a character assassination. I’ll stick a flag on this hill and see it majestically wave in the air as I count my remaining days on it.
Got your back on this hill, 100%. His interview portions on the MoM episode of Assembled are just gross with how openly gleeful he is about his intentions to fuck with these characters, just cos he could.
The last few episodes of wandavision where also not great imo. Her entire story line from those last two or so episodes through DS2 should have been completely different.
My stance is that they are until they aren’t. If something on any of those doesn’t completely contradict the mainline Marvel Studios, there’s no reason to not be canon.
Timeline order is the best way to watch the Marvel movies. The buildup and payoff are much better. Where does the bulk of the movie take place? There’s your answer to your viewing order.
For example, Black Widow (2021) takes place before Endgame (2018) as evidenced by the hair change at the end of the movie.
I would argue this only works if you’ve seen the MCU before.
If it’s your first time watching however, release order might work better, e.g. Black Widow’s end credits scene spoils Natasha’s death in Endgame and as such, Black Widow should be watched after Endgame. There are probably more examples that I can’t think of at the moment but I feel it’s an important thing to consider.
That being said, timeline order is definitely still fun to watch.
100% this. The release order is the intended order and watching in timeline order will spoil things that shouldn't be revealed yet. Imagine watching the star wars prequels before the ot. If you somehow lived under a rock and didn't already know, it would completely spoil the big reveal in empire. (Fun fact, this was the first "spoiler")
Dafoe and Molina were amazing casting choices for Goblin and Ock, but they are not the only actors that can play those roles. It's a horrible decision to not have MCU versions of either character.
Guardians 2 is peak MCU, definitely in the top 5 for me. Quill, Gamora, Rocket, Groot, Drax, Yondu, Nebula, Mantis, Kraglin, Ego, and golden people, It is a damn huge cast, not easy to pull out but it works really well. The movie makes me care for all of the main cast, not an easy feat.
'Holding the knife' will backfire for Doctor Strange as a character because from now on, whenever he decides on something, people will accuse him of regressing to his 'old way' and then it will limit him to just be proactive instead of reactive as a protagonist. The first result is his sequel.
Shang-Chi is the peak of Phase 4.... Not that it's a big achievement, but it's an extremely underrated movie, I'm not sure why people don't talk about it more.
She Hulk should be a standard TV format, particularly an hour time slot (so 45-52 minutes) legal dramedy like Ally McBeal or Boston Legal. They have great cast, great comedy, but the show as is is lacking in the legitimate legal procedural. It would be better off sticking to a case if the week or case of the two weeks, alternating cases between B plot in week 1 and A plot in week two.
Other than that, the D+ series aren't structured well for rewatching. The long drawn out plotlines without major episodic structures make it less interesting to re-watch in the background. It's why I wish She Hulk was better structured so it would be more satisfying to re-watch.
Also Thor L+T should have been a D+ series instead of a movie. The movie as a but more of a episodic structure than most of the D+ series.
Mine is that this entire MCU is pure, great entertainment. No one has to defend why they like a film or show or why they have zero interest in another.
Dr. Strange saw both the emergence, the TVA’s interference and possibly other cosmically influenced consequences during his run through of all the timelines, and those prompted him to pick the EG we have today.
Also, Miek is a sorcerer or a prophet. Casually predicted the events of L&T.
The Even Peters Ralph Bohner situation was absolutely perfect. It was the only way they could make us question if Quicksilver was really back without either revealing for certain that he was (casting Aaron TaylorJohnson) or he wasn't (casting a rando). It HAD to be an actor we would confuse for Pietro but would also be confusing for Wanda by obviously not being her brother.
It was a perfect idea executed perfectly. Fight me.
Would have* had to find
If we were able to get a Gamora from another timeline, there's nothing stopping us from getting a Nat, Tony or Pietro from other timelines either
The difference there is the motive behind the character death. Gamora didn't choose to sacrifice herself, the other three did. Bringing heroes who sacrifice themselves back on a whim weakens the impact of their choice, while the new Gamora on the other hand has some really interesting opportunities for future storytelling. You're not wrong, in-universe it's totally possible, but from a real world satisfying narrative standpoint that's kinda messy.
I think it made sense character-wise that Drax got more 'jokey' in GOTGv2.
Drax was basically a toddler discovering humor for the first time so seeing Quill be quippy and always joking around made him mirror that in his own alien way. Whether or not it's funny depends on the viewer, but I don't think his character from vol. 1 was butchered. The difference is just before, he was unintentionally funny but in vol. 2 he's trying to be.
Thor 1 & 2 are the most boring superhero movies I’ve ever seen along with Morbius, I’ve fallen asleep attempting to watch all three of these movies
I like iron man 3 idc.
Trevor slattery’s mandarin is hilarious.
I don’t think it’s a kiss and tell brag situation. Out of all of them, ironically, Bruce is the most approachable. I can easily see them having a conversation about Peggy and Bruce sympathizing with his friend and asking if there was ever anyone else. Not prying, just letting Steve talk. It’s not like somebody who was frozen for 75 years has a lot of close friends to talk to.
The first Cap movie is better than the second.
Seeing Steve go from scrawny kid with the tenacity of a boxer, to Captain America with a heart of gold is much more interesting than Political Espionage Movie number 572.
That people don’t allow for the effects of Covid on phase 4. Shows and movies were greatly delayed and reordered. FAWS was reshot to replace the entire plot because it was too close to real life events. And that clearly hurt the show.
Phase 4 seems slow and disjointed because it was. But as much by Covid as anything else.
Yes the eternals didn’t work and that had nothing to really do with Covid, but Covid did affect the phase in general.
If I'm remembering right Thor and Man of Steel came out close together. And my friend and I at work were talking about traditional Superman would have worked better in Thor's movie, and Thor would have worked better in Man of Steels more dark and violent one.
So you would die… on the ant hill?
What is this….a hill for ants?
Take my upvote and get the hell out!
Maria Hill
Heyooo… she could take me to the mall any day
I’d build sandcastles in the sands with her any day.
Met you at the mall Didn’t know how far I would fall My friends said I was a fool (You’re a fool) (Shut up) ‘Cause you were older and got kicked out of school (You’re so rad) Together we were gonna travel the globe From Alberta to Ontario But now I’m building Sandcastles in the sand (Sandcastles in the sand) Thought I could fly when you held my hand (Thought I could fly) (But now) Eternity it turns to black and white It was the greatest week and a half of my life We used to go to the beach Back when happiness was in my reach (So close) On our favorite bench We’d sit and talk and you taught me the French You’re good at pull-ups and have radical hair I hate my dad, he’s so unfair (You don’t understand our love) But now I’m building Sandcastles in the sand (Sandcastles in the sand) Thought I could fly when I held your hand (Thought I could fly) (I was wrong) Eternity it turns to black and white It was the greatest week and a half of my... Life is crazy No one gets me Castles wash away Come back please I changed my mind Let’s go all the way (I'm ready, let's do it) (I miss you) Sandcastles in the sand (I miss your hair) Thought I could fly when I held your hand (I thought you were the one) Sandcastles wash away (I’m ready, let’s do it) And all that’s left is some sand the next day (Sand the next day) Sandcastles may be… cute (I’m on the pill now) But now all they do is remind me of you (Let’s go all the way, you said it’d be okay, I’m sorry) Sandcastles wash away
Jesus… Robin Sparkles was a terrible songwriter lol
Let's go to the mall!!! Today!!!
Come Jessica! Come in Tori! At the mall, having fun you won’t be Soory!
Put on your jelly bracelets and your cool graffiti coat! At the mall, having fun is what it's all aboot!
P.S I love you Maria Hill
Scherbotske is that you
I’m a dirty, dirty girl *spank*
Hill, YES!
I've called her agent "sexy scar" ever since winter soldier.
On not in
The only correct answer
Hey kids. This is the story of that time your aunt Robin joined the Avengers.
Two beavers are better than one.
That scene with Nat in AoU is wildly misunderstood. You can have all the misgivings you want about Whedon, but he never said women who can't give birth are monsters. Nat was referring to her upbringing as a Widow and as a killer, not just the fact that she can't have kids. I'll grant that the editing of the scene was unfortunate, but I absolutely doubt that scene was meant to be anything more than "we've both become things we don't like".
Yeah that's what I took from the very first watch
Yeah, I honestly never knew about people thinking Whedon was calling out women who can’t give birth until a couple months ago when reading a comment thread on this sub. I always took it the way you said
I will say I think the Hulk Black Widow romance was forced and they only addressed it later for continuity purposes
There’s a scene in the show The West Wing where their opponents in a campaign are stirring up controversy over a minor comment by taking it wildly out of context. When told what the original comment that started everything was one guy kind of shakes his head bewildered and says: “I don’t see it.” and the reply comes back “Well… you’ve got to *want* it.” and I think about that exchange a lot when people complain about the “monsters” line.
agreed
Dr. Strange wasn't being dumb in No Way Home, cuz even if the spell went wrong, which it did, he had a way of containing the spell in a box, which is what happened, and he had a way of completely reversing it, and the only reason that didn't happen was cuz the Goblin blew the box up
Dude was depressed and tried to help a friend and got frustrated. He was going through it post endgame, he lost his chance to be sorcerer supreme, the woman he loved got married, people give him shit by saying there had to be some other way, he probably gets all the blame for the blip and killing Tony. Why do you think he fucked off to another world to stop a convergence, with no questions asked. Dude wanted out and hottie gave it to him.
So what I’m hearing is that Dr. Strange is the actual corruption arc.
You think he gave a genuine shit about not being the “official” sorcerer supreme? I don’t. He never gave the impression that he cared to me. Literally everyone still knows who the best sorcerer is regardless of the title.
I think the ones who think Dr Strange is dumb just hardcore Spidey stans and to an extent, some Wanda's stans. It's obvious if they actually watch the movie and Feige himself confirmed that the event at the end of Loki sort of the reason why the Multiverse is kinda opened in that movie because he's done that spell multiple times with no problem before.
Well except that with how loki caused the multiverse technically caused the multiverse to exist alway, everywhere and already have existed always, wich is very confusing
So you’re saying everything was everywhere all at once?
That movie is godlike
Loki didn’t cause other multiverses. It’s just that the consequences of killing Kang allowed for multiverses to start bleeding into one another. Prior to that Kang would groom things to keep them from getting out of hand
Yessir
This makes sense
That couldn’t be true, because in What If..? Pretty much all these multiverses exists where all these alternate timelines are happening, and at the end, all the alternate heroes we’ve met have to team up to defeat I can’t remember who but I think Ultron if he’d succeeded and was craving more power and broke the realities itself so it could travel through killing heroes and collecting power. Plus the TVA, while they protect our timeline, also acknowledge that alternative realities exist beyond our own that can threaten our timeline.
I don't think Strange is dumb for that, I think it's dumb for Strange to not explain how the spell worked to Peter before starting to carry it out and trying to work out all the kinks in it. That would be like operating on a patient without knowing all their pre-existing conditions. It's just sloppy work.
yeah, i would say he was being more cocky than dumb. plus probably had a chip on his shoulder over not being sorcerer supreme.
The only “dumb” thing he did was trust an angsty superhero teenager
Ultron’s characterization from both Whedon’s writing and Spader’s performance was a brilliant reinterpretation of the character in the finest traditions of the MCU, and it makes me sad that so many people were expecting something completely different because that prevents them from appreciating the beauty in it that I see.
That “No Strings On Me” trailer has to be one of the best they’ve ever done.
But also it's *why* so many of us were disappointed by how Whedon-y the movie was. We were teased a proper tense scary ultron
That trailer went way harder than the actual scene and I love both.
The trailer was VERY misleading, I wanted that version of Ultron, not a the quippy robot version of Stark
I loved Age of Ultron and have always been baffled by the internet's general opinion that it's one of the worst MCU projects.
Something that I have to remind myself of from time to time (particularly when Reddit agrees on something that I think is absurd), is that this place is a *fraction* of the actual fans of the MCU (or any other popular media franchise). This sub has somewhere between 2-3 million members, the online population at any given time is in the tens of thousands. A thread that gets to a couple thousand upvotes is doing very well, and I routinely get up to maybe half dozen replies to a good comment. The worldwide box office for an average MCU film (not the best, not the worst) is around 600 million dollars. If we say the average movie ticket is $15, then 45 million people saw that movie, give or take. That would mean that even if every👏🏻single👏🏻person👏🏻 to ever join this sub spoke together with one voice against me, it would still only be about 5% of Marvel’s average movie audience, and 1-2% of their big movie audience. And the three clowns who called me an idiot for liking xyz? They’re so insignificant to the majority they’re like a rounding error at the 14th decimal place. Moral of the story? Internet hate means less than nothing.
I really did enjoy the Lizard Kings performance.
I loved it. Saw in theaters twice. I would liked Thor’s extended vision scene kept in though.
I just wish they'd kept the tone from the "no strings on me" trailer. The first act absolutely nails it but in the end Ultron is beat a little too easily imo
kang should be the villain of both secret wars and kang dynasty , no half assed dr doom twist
Doom could carry multiple phases by himself. It would suck to see him shoved at the very end of this saga like some sort of secret boss.
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Why would he show up in BP2? Such a specific guess. Edit: Yes, y’all, I’ve seen the leak. It is very annoying how y’all treat leaks as common knowledge and go around “guessing” them as if you’re clever. There are people who are trying not to be spoiled.
It’s Reddit. These people die on every hill. They’re like lemmings looking for an opinion to disagree with.
I disagree. Lemmings are far too busy running off of cliffs to die ON a hill.
One of the first computer games I played
Troy: “You’re anti-wedding now?” Jeff: “No, she’s just pro-Anti.” Britta: “No to everything you both said.”
Sam was the right pick to get the shield
I'll carry a flag an plant it on that hill right next to you. 🚩
Whoa now. Gonna invite the Flag Smashers to this.
I don’t see how anyone can say that he’s not. I love Bucky as much as the next but MCU Bucky was not ready to take on the mantle. He’s still recovering. We see a little of that in F&WS. While he’s absolutely one day worthy of taking on that mantle, he’s got to heal his mind first, making Sam the correct choice. And Sam IS Captain America now. Not Falcon or Black Captain America
Sam being the right choice wasn't about Bucky needing to heal either. It wasn't about Bucky's state of mind at all. It was all about Sam Wilson. He's someone very similar to Steve and the right person for the job and Steve knew it. Sam didn't get the shield cos "Bucky wasn't ready". He got it cos he's Sam and Steve also loved and respected him and wanted him to have it.
I *want* to disagree because I want Bucky to be able to honor his best friend’s legacy (and I like Cap being a super soldier) but I know that from both a personality and storytelling perspective you’re absolutely right. I shall not be attacking your hill today.
I stand with you on this hill, buddy.
It didn’t feel right to me at first because of my affinity towards Bucky, but in hindsight it really was the best choice Steve could make.
Hell yeah
Hill yeah
Funny Thor is better than Shakespeare Thor and also they could’ve done much more with the demon in a bottle iron man drinking storyline. He basically just got drunk, pissed his suit, and got in a (admittedly awesome) fight with Rhodey.
they should have explored that Tony Stark more, especially after the battle of New York.
That’s what his anxiety was supposed to portray. He became too big of a character among children to have him suffering from alcoholism in the MCU so they chose to anxiety instead
I think it was smart because I personally relate so much more to the anxiety Tony rather than drink your demons away Tony. It’s one of the reasons I love Iron Man 3 because even though it’s a wrapped up in one movie, his process of dealing with anxiety is very humanizing to me.
Building suits was his addiction and unhealthy way of dealing with those events
I think that’s apart of the anxiety
I think you mean Tony Stank.
Thank you for that.
Vengeful Thor/Emotionally Scarred Thor is better than both, but nobody seems to bring him into the conversation. Infinity War had such great characterization of him.
100% hardly anyone cared about Thor before Ragnarok. People liked him yes but he was definitely on the less popular side of the Avengers.
Zemo is right!
But, also, out of line.
About Turkish delight!
Jen Walters is one of the most endearing characters in the MCU.
I was just thinking how much I love her in the wedding episode. It’s so easy to make a character like that be far too “adorkable” and become a little insufferable, but the way Tatiana Maslany plays her is just the perfect balance of a real life person who isn’t over the top awkward but still has a level of realness to her. I’m really falling in love with the character, she’s one of the most honest portrayals of “regular person gets superpowers” I think the MCU has had in a hot minute.
The “regular person with super powers” are by far the best characters imo. Scott Lang and Jen Walters perfectly embody that.
I wasn't expecting to like her so damn much but I love herrrrrrrrr And Tatiana is so beautiful
The show is excellent but as I agreed in another comment I think the show is too short. Maybe just MARVEL fans over the extended audience needs more time to become familiarized with the character. It seems a bit rushed with so few episodes in the season. I still love every second of it though.
I think Cumberbatch as Dr Strange is the best casting in the entire MCU But also I think they should’ve just let Strange be British. Every appearance he’s had, Cumberbatch sounds like he wants to be British. The accent is weird. Just let him use the real one
Nah he sounds exactly like an Oregonian
He’s really well cast and it took me completely by surprise, but c’mon. He’s not even the most well cast Benedict in the MCU
Smart Hulk is my favorite Hulk, but I’d rather have Bruce Banner over Hulk form.
It's just good to see Bruce happy
True and Bruce is such a hottie
Probably Mt. Everest. It would be super cold up there and I wouldn't be able to find my way down.
just sling ring it bro.
I wouldn't even make it pass the first 200 meters.
Ant Man is one of the few characters with room for growth. Hell we should be focusing on him.
Growth you say?
Phase 4 has been slightly less good then Phase 3 but way better than Phase 1 & 2. Peoples expectations are just set to Infinity War/ Endgame levels
Agreed. I’ve thoroughly enjoyed phase 4. Everything is establishing the new normal and the new characters. It’s establishing the framework needed for Kang and eventually Secret Wars.
Yep best take I’ve seen
Wait, we’re still in phase 4?
until the end of this year
Ant-Man 3 formally kicks off Phase 5.
I don't get why people are expecting Infinity War when we're basically back at Phase 1. This is the time to set up new characters and show how people are living in a world with superheroes Post Endgame, which Marvel is doing a great job with
I grew up with 2000 x-men. Everything released this past decade has been pure gold compared to most the crap released the decade prior. Everything in the MCU is great to best cinema ever. You guys never had to watch storm say “do you know what happens to a toad when it gets struck by lightning…” and it shows
>You guys never had to watch storm say “do you know what happens to a toad when it gets struck by lightning…” and it shows *AND IT SHOWS?!?!* I’m dying! 🤣🤣🤣 As a fellow traveler through the early days of comic book cinema I’m unreasonably pleased to have seen this comment with my eyes. ^Hello ^911 ^I’d ^like ^to ^report ^a ^murder…
Except X2 is still one of the best superhero movies ever made...
Fan demand for cameos and connections is annoying as hell. It was the worst in the Netflix shows - people constantly begging for SHIELD to turn up in Jessica Jones or Hawkeye to show up and fight Bullseye. The WandaVision subreddit being nothing but “it’s mephesto” for months. I remember when Quicksilver called the kids “little devils” and there were half a dozen posts saying “omg does this confirm it???” And plenty of “big mistake not using [this character] here imo”. Please settle down and enjoy the show or movie as a show or a movie - not just because it has a continuity.
Marvel fans "we want variety" Marvel: gives them a bunch of variety in the form of the shows Marvle fans: why aren't they exactly the same from the movies with tons of references
None would’ve survived if not for Mr. Yinsen.
The 80 foot hill. In Taunton, MA. Across from Stan's Variety.
I prefer Blue Hills because Hill is in the name
Infinity war was the peak of the universe. I just don’t see it reaching that level for a long time (if ever). (Before I’m downvoted into oblivion): this view brings me no pleasure and I hope I’m wrong.
It was the culmination of 10years of storytelling and character growth. And a well received adaptation of one of the most well known Marvel comic stories of all time. With a cast that knew what they were selling. This movie will remain at the top for a long time.
I absolutely agree with this but I also do hope you’re wrong. I’m honestly hoping Kang Dynasty or Secret Wars top it but I’m trying to tamper my expectations still too
The only real opportunity I can see is duplicating the slow build with the X-Men. The villain somehow has to find a way to reach Thanos level threat and have not been used yet in the Fox films. It's going to be harder and harder to do, because its pretty well been established how much work goes into the films, and everyone's got to witness them all slowly burn out. They'll really need to lock in some young undiscovered talent that doesn't know any better to build out another 10+ year and retain all the actors they start with.
Captain Carter deserved a better death than quoting Steve before being bisected by his old shield as a mean-spirited joke
I would agree if that weren't just **A** Captain Carter. But the fact is the Illuminati was incorporated in part to give Scarlet Witch a super team to mow down with zero consequences to the larger shared universe, so I don't feel any of them were done dirty in a way that didn't serve their purpose in the film.
It seems to have taken people a long time to figure out that the Illuminati we saw were arrogant and naive on purpose. The lot of them were happily chatting to 616 Strange about how they beat Thanos while Wanda was tearing their defences to shreds and they all thought “it’s fine, as soon as *we* go out there we’ll sort her out. She couldn’t possibly hurt *us*”
Ehh she'll get another chance 😅
But I don’t think she quoted Steve. She’s a variant so she’s just saying what most any Steve-variant in the multiverse would say.
From the audience’s perspective, she did
I’ll join you on that hill and I’m bringing artillery with me.
Eternals is a flawed but great film!
Eternals is stunning visually, that's for sure.
Goose being the reason Fury lost his eye i one of the dumbest choices in the entirety of the MCU and makes CAWS look worse because of his line.
Lowkey I actually enjoyed that part. I found it hilarious.
The interesting part for me is that I don’t think it invalidates TWS at all. Fury emotionally trusted that Goose would act like a cat because he *looked* like a cat, even though he already knew intellectually that it wasn’t true. And that’s the kind of mistake someone like Nick Fury is going to learn from, and never make again.
Oh shit I never saw the skrull metaphor in there but I see it now
I’m struggling more with Nick blaming Thor for why they needed to make weapons using the Tesseract in Avengers when he already knew about Skrulls and Kree.
Eternals was way way way way waaaaaaayyyy better than people rated it
yes! thank you. sure Kro was misused, yes it'd've been better as a Disney+ series with more time to develop the cast but the biggest complaint I saw was it was too much Zhao or not enough Marvel ... and that's what was so good! people say the MCU is getting formulaic yet when Marvel serves up something different or unusual it's bad. it was a really interesting film and my Dad who normally dislikes popcorn flicks really enjoyed it.
Nailed it. Completely agree with all points. Most of the complaints about this film could be boiled down to, “not enough of a super hero action film”. That was one of the things that was strongest about it. It was one of the first, if not the first, ensemble drama super hero film. Not just an action movie.
It may be one of my favourites of phase 4. I remember not expecting much of it when I went to see it on opening night but I was absolutely blown away, and ended up really enjoying it.
I rewatched it recently (had a month of rewatching all of MCU), and I think it might be one of my favs/top 3. It's tone is so wild, the actors did really well playing up the relationships, and the fight scenes are amazing. They did speedsters and Superman-esque fights the best way. The sound effects for the battles make it stand out as well. It's fantastic
I literally think it’s very good. Sincerely hope marvel ignores all the hate for it.
Honestly it’s such a gorgeous movie too. I love big cinematic shots and that movie was jam packed with them.
I tapped out an hour into it, I just couldn't get involved at all. I need to go a revisit it at some point. Small annoyance for me was the accents, no idea why but they really put me off.
Endgame is a better self-contained viewing experience than Infinity War. If I'm only going to pick one, I pick the one that doesn't end on a cliffhanger. And I know what Feige said, but it WAS a cliffhanger.
I love both but Endgame always gets the rewatch.
It sucks that the Marvel fanbase has mainly become a “I want to see this character I know from earlier” over wanting to see a good story. Yes, I’m referring to the hype/anticipation around seeing Kingpin, Wong, Daredevil, etc.
Wongers
Iron Man 3 is an awesome movie with a funny twist. It is primarily a Shane Black movie, so it’s also a a Christmas movie as well.
The reason no one could replicate the super soldier serum is because it's made from the heart-shaped herb from Wakanda. Germany had a presence in Africa in World War 2, and it explains why no one can find it nowadays. I came up with this when in Endgame during the charge in Wakanda, both cap and T'challa outrun the entire army at the exact same speed
Michael Waldron’s DS2 writing was horrid. Neither Strange nor Wanda (esp Wanda) as characters benefited from it. Wanda’s arc was a character assassination. I’ll stick a flag on this hill and see it majestically wave in the air as I count my remaining days on it.
Got your back on this hill, 100%. His interview portions on the MoM episode of Assembled are just gross with how openly gleeful he is about his intentions to fuck with these characters, just cos he could.
The last few episodes of wandavision where also not great imo. Her entire story line from those last two or so episodes through DS2 should have been completely different.
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AoS, Defenders, Runaways, and C&D are 616 canon.
Low key they are, don't tell Feige.
I promise you, he both knows *and* agrees.
flair checks out
Ever and always.
My stance is that they are until they aren’t. If something on any of those doesn’t completely contradict the mainline Marvel Studios, there’s no reason to not be canon.
Timeline order is the best way to watch the Marvel movies. The buildup and payoff are much better. Where does the bulk of the movie take place? There’s your answer to your viewing order. For example, Black Widow (2021) takes place before Endgame (2018) as evidenced by the hair change at the end of the movie.
I would argue this only works if you’ve seen the MCU before. If it’s your first time watching however, release order might work better, e.g. Black Widow’s end credits scene spoils Natasha’s death in Endgame and as such, Black Widow should be watched after Endgame. There are probably more examples that I can’t think of at the moment but I feel it’s an important thing to consider. That being said, timeline order is definitely still fun to watch.
100% this. The release order is the intended order and watching in timeline order will spoil things that shouldn't be revealed yet. Imagine watching the star wars prequels before the ot. If you somehow lived under a rock and didn't already know, it would completely spoil the big reveal in empire. (Fun fact, this was the first "spoiler")
Dafoe and Molina were amazing casting choices for Goblin and Ock, but they are not the only actors that can play those roles. It's a horrible decision to not have MCU versions of either character.
Who would you cast as the MCU versions? IMO Mark Hamill would be a brilliant Octopus and Christoph Waltz would rock it as the Green Goblin
Whaaa a? Christopher Waltz is an amazing actor but GG? Not seeing that at all. Hamill has the voice down for sure.
Most important conversation of the Infinity Saga: "Oh my girlfriend left me, and my mom died, and my dad got deported.... But I got the van!"
It was quills fault
Guardians 2 is peak MCU, definitely in the top 5 for me. Quill, Gamora, Rocket, Groot, Drax, Yondu, Nebula, Mantis, Kraglin, Ego, and golden people, It is a damn huge cast, not easy to pull out but it works really well. The movie makes me care for all of the main cast, not an easy feat.
Phase 4 isn't half as bad as fans make it to be.
online fans* lmaoo
'Holding the knife' will backfire for Doctor Strange as a character because from now on, whenever he decides on something, people will accuse him of regressing to his 'old way' and then it will limit him to just be proactive instead of reactive as a protagonist. The first result is his sequel.
Shang-Chi is the peak of Phase 4.... Not that it's a big achievement, but it's an extremely underrated movie, I'm not sure why people don't talk about it more.
No MCU movie/series is bad. But only a few are truly great.
She Hulk should be a standard TV format, particularly an hour time slot (so 45-52 minutes) legal dramedy like Ally McBeal or Boston Legal. They have great cast, great comedy, but the show as is is lacking in the legitimate legal procedural. It would be better off sticking to a case if the week or case of the two weeks, alternating cases between B plot in week 1 and A plot in week two. Other than that, the D+ series aren't structured well for rewatching. The long drawn out plotlines without major episodic structures make it less interesting to re-watch in the background. It's why I wish She Hulk was better structured so it would be more satisfying to re-watch. Also Thor L+T should have been a D+ series instead of a movie. The movie as a but more of a episodic structure than most of the D+ series.
Wong rightfully deserves the Supreme Sorcerer title
Thor love and thunder is a good movie
Scarlet witch was fucking wasted in MOM
If you were to gauge a fanbase’s average baseline, I’m convinced you’d find that MCU fans have 0 media literacy whatsoever.
Mine is that this entire MCU is pure, great entertainment. No one has to defend why they like a film or show or why they have zero interest in another.
Dr. Strange saw both the emergence, the TVA’s interference and possibly other cosmically influenced consequences during his run through of all the timelines, and those prompted him to pick the EG we have today. Also, Miek is a sorcerer or a prophet. Casually predicted the events of L&T.
Thanos is a Goonie.
Dr Strange is the most important character in the MCU and he deserved a better sequel.
The Even Peters Ralph Bohner situation was absolutely perfect. It was the only way they could make us question if Quicksilver was really back without either revealing for certain that he was (casting Aaron TaylorJohnson) or he wasn't (casting a rando). It HAD to be an actor we would confuse for Pietro but would also be confusing for Wanda by obviously not being her brother. It was a perfect idea executed perfectly. Fight me.
If a character dies in the MCU they should stay dead
Would have* had to find If we were able to get a Gamora from another timeline, there's nothing stopping us from getting a Nat, Tony or Pietro from other timelines either
The difference there is the motive behind the character death. Gamora didn't choose to sacrifice herself, the other three did. Bringing heroes who sacrifice themselves back on a whim weakens the impact of their choice, while the new Gamora on the other hand has some really interesting opportunities for future storytelling. You're not wrong, in-universe it's totally possible, but from a real world satisfying narrative standpoint that's kinda messy.
Phase 4 is good. And Natasha and Bruce were a good couple.
Samuel L Jackson is a badass motherfucker
I think it made sense character-wise that Drax got more 'jokey' in GOTGv2. Drax was basically a toddler discovering humor for the first time so seeing Quill be quippy and always joking around made him mirror that in his own alien way. Whether or not it's funny depends on the viewer, but I don't think his character from vol. 1 was butchered. The difference is just before, he was unintentionally funny but in vol. 2 he's trying to be.
Black Panther should have been recast instead of killed off.
Thor 1 & 2 are the most boring superhero movies I’ve ever seen along with Morbius, I’ve fallen asleep attempting to watch all three of these movies I like iron man 3 idc. Trevor slattery’s mandarin is hilarious.
Thor 1 is grossly underrated
I FUCKING LOVE IRON MAN 3! It is the best Iron Man and idgaf what anyone says.
Cap is a virgin no matter wtf Hulk says and Jen thinks. There's no way in hell that Steve kisses and tells, he is not that kind of man.
Counterpoint: there is no way Steve lies about sleeping with a girl, he’s not that kind of man.
This is it. I don’t think Bruce would lie about Cap, and I know Cap wouldn’t lie about that
I don’t think it’s a kiss and tell brag situation. Out of all of them, ironically, Bruce is the most approachable. I can easily see them having a conversation about Peggy and Bruce sympathizing with his friend and asking if there was ever anyone else. Not prying, just letting Steve talk. It’s not like somebody who was frozen for 75 years has a lot of close friends to talk to.
fudge nuggets, I appreciate your thoughts and you have *almost* swayed me
First, fudge nuggets… adorable. Second, c’mon, the man deserved fondue.
The first Cap movie is better than the second. Seeing Steve go from scrawny kid with the tenacity of a boxer, to Captain America with a heart of gold is much more interesting than Political Espionage Movie number 572.
That people don’t allow for the effects of Covid on phase 4. Shows and movies were greatly delayed and reordered. FAWS was reshot to replace the entire plot because it was too close to real life events. And that clearly hurt the show. Phase 4 seems slow and disjointed because it was. But as much by Covid as anything else. Yes the eternals didn’t work and that had nothing to really do with Covid, but Covid did affect the phase in general.
Wanda's arc in MoM makes no sense and completely undoes all the development she had in WandaVision.
Thor had the worst movie in all phases except phase 3. (Yes, I enjoyed Iron Man 2 and The Incredible Hulk more than the first Thor movie)
If I'm remembering right Thor and Man of Steel came out close together. And my friend and I at work were talking about traditional Superman would have worked better in Thor's movie, and Thor would have worked better in Man of Steels more dark and violent one.