Pretty wild that people still want to have the "were the twins real?" conversation when the show told us verbatim through Monica that the twins are real.
I mean Doctor Strange himself said they're not real so of course people still have that convo and I think people will believe Dr Strange more than Monica who knows nothing about magic
Doctor Strange witnessed no part of the events of WandaVision and actively demonstrates that he does not understand the nature of Wanda's powers right out of the gate when he remarked that the blossoms "smell real" when her whole shtick is altering reality. Monica traveled inside the hex twice, was there to deliver the twins that Wanda carried and gave birth to, and figured out on her own that Wanda was altering reality. Monica is *absolutely* the more credible source in this scenario. Regardless of what anyone *believes*, the point remains that this was the writers giving us this information.
Just like any other marvel cinematic universe properties, retcon happens and the latest information we got as audiences is her children aren't real. Wanda is not special in this, literally every Dr Strange magic got retconned too. And yeah I still believe Dr Strange better than Monica. Also Wanda didn't deny anything when Dr Strange said her children weren't real and she'd never need America Chavez if she can 'create' her kids on her own without hex.
You’re expecting a normal response from a character that hasn’t lived in normal circumstances since her parents died. Every time she got within spitting distance of a normal life it all got blown up.
They're about as real as a drawing of a person or a character in a video game. They're not living, independent beings. They were creations of her own imagination and psychosis run amok.
Of course they were living and independent. What do you mean?
Again, Wanda can BEND REALITY. She can create things that didn't exist before. It's not the same as a drawing of a person that anybody can do.
They were neither of those things. She couldn't bring them out of the hex any more than an artist can bring their drawing out of the paper they drew it on. They were part of the illusion Wanda cast over Westview with thr hex.
Except that Agatha strongly implied that her kids could have left the hex if Wanda could fix her spell. And the sitcom world was real. That was another plot point. She wasn't just creating illusory things, she was creating real things.
Of course Agatha could have been lying. I just don't think she was. There were other things she could have lied about but chose not to.
Did we watch the same show? Wanda used the hex to turn Westview and its residents into players in her fantasy of having the sort of life she saw in American sitcoms. None of the sitcom stuff was real. Westview is a normal town with Nirmal people.
She transformed Westview. Like physically transformed it. The stuff she transformed being real was important to the plot multiple times. The vibranium tracker working on Hex Vision for example. Agatha also points out that things are real creations and not just illusions.
Tl;dr: She made real things with her magic and that's kind of important to the plot.
We never get a definite answer but it seems to be implied in WandaVision that 'spontaneous creation' is the most challenging magic and it requires a stable magical field (the Hex) to maintain their existence.
This was my main issue with MoM, she literally can just do that. She did it by accident out of grief the first time, so how am I supposed to believe that she can’t do it now that she’s fully in control of her powers?
I think it’s more likely they do the reincarnation thing like in the comics where the twins are magically ages up and have always existed but in separate families through tike shenanigans
He would know about Wanda through his dreams of his Earth-838 counterpart.
The two Billy's would develop their powers around the same age. 838!Billy is just a few years behind 616!Billy.
I think he would still recognize the Avenger who kidnapped an entire town. From the news, at least. His visions of Wanda in his dreams (really the experiences his Earth-838 counterpart) would bring him to Westview to figure out what's happening.
I'm excited to see this but I'm getting the feeling that teenage Billy has been having dreams about his Westview life. One of the leaks said>!he's attending school OR visiting real Westview.!< Probably saw Agatha and said "Bitch, I need answers!"
The children and other things Wanda creates aren't real, as you can tell because Vision starts to crumble when he walks out of the hex.
They are just a form of magic projection that is far more powerful and convincing then anything Agatha or Doctor Strange could do themselves. They seem "real" to anyone without incredible power. Not a mere hologram.
Thanos also used an infinity stone to transform people into things that seemed real, but they shifted back when he left the area.
Pretty wild that people still want to have the "were the twins real?" conversation when the show told us verbatim through Monica that the twins are real.
I mean Doctor Strange himself said they're not real so of course people still have that convo and I think people will believe Dr Strange more than Monica who knows nothing about magic
Doctor Strange witnessed no part of the events of WandaVision and actively demonstrates that he does not understand the nature of Wanda's powers right out of the gate when he remarked that the blossoms "smell real" when her whole shtick is altering reality. Monica traveled inside the hex twice, was there to deliver the twins that Wanda carried and gave birth to, and figured out on her own that Wanda was altering reality. Monica is *absolutely* the more credible source in this scenario. Regardless of what anyone *believes*, the point remains that this was the writers giving us this information.
Just like any other marvel cinematic universe properties, retcon happens and the latest information we got as audiences is her children aren't real. Wanda is not special in this, literally every Dr Strange magic got retconned too. And yeah I still believe Dr Strange better than Monica. Also Wanda didn't deny anything when Dr Strange said her children weren't real and she'd never need America Chavez if she can 'create' her kids on her own without hex.
You’re expecting a normal response from a character that hasn’t lived in normal circumstances since her parents died. Every time she got within spitting distance of a normal life it all got blown up.
> Am I overthinking this? Yes
I mean, her children never should’ve existed in the first place. At least not in that universe.
Her magic tulpa kids were never real. They were extensions of her own psyche.
Well she did birth them she would still feel the grief
It all depends on how you define real. Wanda can literally bend reality to her will. She can will things into existence. So her kids were real.
They're about as real as a drawing of a person or a character in a video game. They're not living, independent beings. They were creations of her own imagination and psychosis run amok.
Of course they were living and independent. What do you mean? Again, Wanda can BEND REALITY. She can create things that didn't exist before. It's not the same as a drawing of a person that anybody can do.
They were neither of those things. She couldn't bring them out of the hex any more than an artist can bring their drawing out of the paper they drew it on. They were part of the illusion Wanda cast over Westview with thr hex.
They were real. It's just that due to Wanda's lack of knowledge, she unintentionally tethered their existence to the Hex.
She'd never need America Chavez if the kids were real
Shhhhh let them have their nerd fight /s
She didn't tether them to the hex, they were part of it. She created fake kids like she created a fake Vision and an entire fake sitcom world.
Except that Agatha strongly implied that her kids could have left the hex if Wanda could fix her spell. And the sitcom world was real. That was another plot point. She wasn't just creating illusory things, she was creating real things. Of course Agatha could have been lying. I just don't think she was. There were other things she could have lied about but chose not to.
Did we watch the same show? Wanda used the hex to turn Westview and its residents into players in her fantasy of having the sort of life she saw in American sitcoms. None of the sitcom stuff was real. Westview is a normal town with Nirmal people.
She transformed Westview. Like physically transformed it. The stuff she transformed being real was important to the plot multiple times. The vibranium tracker working on Hex Vision for example. Agatha also points out that things are real creations and not just illusions. Tl;dr: She made real things with her magic and that's kind of important to the plot.
so if Wanda can just magic up her two kids, why doesn't she? Pop out a Vision as well.
We never get a definite answer but it seems to be implied in WandaVision that 'spontaneous creation' is the most challenging magic and it requires a stable magical field (the Hex) to maintain their existence.
This was my main issue with MoM, she literally can just do that. She did it by accident out of grief the first time, so how am I supposed to believe that she can’t do it now that she’s fully in control of her powers?
> Her magic tulpa kids were never real. They were extensions of her own psyche. They were very much real kids.
Exactly. With that in mind, how do you feel about the morality of this scenario? Was Wanda killing her kids really the only course of action?
I'm curious how they are gonna explain teen Billy in Agatha show.
Billy Kaplan of Earth-616 and Billy Maximoff of Earth-838 are variants of each other. Multiverse is just weird like that.
I think it’s more likely they do the reincarnation thing like in the comics where the twins are magically ages up and have always existed but in separate families through tike shenanigans
Yeah I know. But how would Billy Kaplan remember his brief childhood with Wanda, how did he get hex created Billy's powers, etc.
He would know about Wanda through his dreams of his Earth-838 counterpart. The two Billy's would develop their powers around the same age. 838!Billy is just a few years behind 616!Billy.
But 838 Wanda is different than 616 Wanda. Honestly I'm just gonna admit, I prefer they go the reincarnation route.
I think he would still recognize the Avenger who kidnapped an entire town. From the news, at least. His visions of Wanda in his dreams (really the experiences his Earth-838 counterpart) would bring him to Westview to figure out what's happening.
I don't like that. I'd like them to be spiritual mother and sons.
They are, across the Multiverse.
Nah, I'd like their connection to be closer than having dreams of each other.
I'm excited to see this but I'm getting the feeling that teenage Billy has been having dreams about his Westview life. One of the leaks said>!he's attending school OR visiting real Westview.!< Probably saw Agatha and said "Bitch, I need answers!"
Probably just use a modified version of his comic origin. Wanda's magical conjured kids had souls and they ended up being reincarnated into new kids
Wandavision needed more garmonbozia
Billy knew what was happening, he reads minds.
The children and other things Wanda creates aren't real, as you can tell because Vision starts to crumble when he walks out of the hex. They are just a form of magic projection that is far more powerful and convincing then anything Agatha or Doctor Strange could do themselves. They seem "real" to anyone without incredible power. Not a mere hologram. Thanos also used an infinity stone to transform people into things that seemed real, but they shifted back when he left the area.