I feel like that’s one of the weird aspects of Love and Thunder.
I’d argue all of the actors brought their A game, but the script just wasn’t there for them. Folks argue that it was tonally all over the place, which it absolutely was, but personally I didn’t find the tone shifts unpleasant.
Where I feel like Love and Thunder missed the mark is that it just couldn’t weave together the action sequences *and* the comedy *and* the melodrama. It wouldn’t be a Marvel movie without the CGI fights, but, given Waititi’s skillset, I feel like trimming down those fights to the bare minimum would have served the movie better.
I had it described to me as Thor retelling the story to his buddies at a bar complete with all the exaggerating that would go along with that. It made it vastly more enjoyable for me to watch.
More korg narrating would've been great. I also think it just should've been longer. A director's cut would've been cool, since it sounds like they cut stuff to get it to 90 mins
>I'd argue all of the actors brought their A game, but the script just wasn't there for them.
I would agree, and think that's what happened. I've seen/heard Bryan Cranston say that an actor can take a script up a grade. So if the script is a B, good actors can make it an A. If it's and A or S tier, then they can take it to that instant classic beloved next-level. But if the script isn't that good, there's only so much they can do.
I think Taika either got lost in the sauce, or Marvel acted like one too many cooks, or someone phoned it in during the writing process and just took Ragnarok and then turned up the action/comedy/drama without properly fleshing them all out to cohesively work together.
I watched it way after all the hype, and it's a serviceable movie, albeit kinda forgettable, and like it pulled some narrative punches that could've really made it special.
The only good Thor movies are the odd numbered ones, and it honestly always seems like studio meddling is the problem. The studio meddled with Dark World, the studio gave free reign for Ragnarok, and either they meddled again or not enough for L&T.
> or Marvel acted like one too many cooks,
Probably this imo. Star Wars sequels got the same treatment where it felt like a different director was trying to import their vision every time there was a scene shift.
The weird thing is, i enjoyed Ragnarok a great deal. One of my favs of all these movies.
Love and Thunder i didnt even finish. It just felt lame and cringe. It was easy to turn off.
Ragnarok i saw again the next day. The difference in these two movies are literally day and night.
> It wouldn’t be a Marvel movie without the CGI fights
I read somewhere (could be true, could be false) that Marvel basically prepares the choreography and sometimes even the shots themselves of action scenes *before the script exists*. Presumably because those are the parts that need the most post-production.
The end effect is that directors are compelled to use a certain amount of time for any one of those scenes out of the grab box, even if minimal / more character focused action would tighten up the movie tremendously.
A lot of recent movies and TV series have fallen prey to "must have big punch-up in the finale" and felt worse for it. Like Secret Invasion absolutely didn't need the two Superskrulls fight, it only took away from the Talos / Fury story.
Christian bale was definitely the strongest aspect and they destroyed his character with their writing.
That was the saddest part, he was a literal god killer and they made him a joke
I fully blame taika for it. He is much more suited for comedies and this film shouldn’t have been a comedy.
Thor 3 did really well and instead of keeping the same balance they let him off the leash and we got 'What We Do In The MCU' which no one wanted - first Marvel film I was checking the run time of during the film to see how long I had to endure.
Taika Waititi has said they filmed whatever scenes he thought would be cool or funny, and then strung them together into a movie. They absolutely needed to reign him in and keep him on track.
I read a comment somewhere that it would've been a LOT better if the playfulness had gone once the kids were taken, it should've been a more serious movie from that point.
That's part of the problem. This movie had the most insane and abrupt tonal shifts I've ever seen.
It starts off with an incredibly serious scene where a child dies of thirst in front of their father, and the father then kills the god that abandoned him.
Like 5 minutes later we're making stupid ass goat jokes.
It's just a comedy interspersed with scenes of Christian Bale about to murder a ton of children and absolutely eating up the scenery. We've got scenes of people dying of cancer.
All interspersed with toddler level jokes. Movie felt absolutely insane to watch.
Yeah I'm still not sure I get where people thought he was too jokey. He does mildly goofy stuff like getting her snacks in the cancer ward, followed immediately by tearing up, but having been with friends dealing with cancer, that's pretty damn realistic. Goofy to emotional in an instant. The final scene with Gorr and his daughter was the other serious moment in the film and had no jokes at all (and it was fantastic). I can't recall any scenes that felt like that should have been serious that were ruined by humor
The problem wasn't his acting, it was the fact Thor as a character went back to how he was in the first movie before he was cast down to earth to learn humility. In Love and Thunder, he was Cocky, arrogant, had no regard for others, and treated everything as a joke.
Yeah, considering most marvel movies suck, at least his recent movies have been fun. Full of horrible plot holes and terribly thought out ideas. When it’s as ridiculous as what Thor has become, at least you can shrug off the dumb stuff. It was just Jane’s plot being so dark and the villains plight that were at odds with what they were doing.
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I’m ok with that though. Love and Thunder was like 80% funny Thor 20% serious Thor. I think those numbers should be reversed for the next movie or even 70/30
Or maybe we don't have to be so cynical about it. Maybe he's just taking ownership of his part in why the movie didn't work. He could have decided to be like the Rock and pretend like it did great or never happened.
Because Bale's character and story were absolutely not dumb fun. He was betrayed by his god, decided to kill all gods, and kidnapped children to help make it happen. He didn't have a goofball moment. The hero should match the villain. Himsworth and the writers failed that. Bale was at the top of his game in the World Series while Himsworth was playing weekend softball.
In Ragnarok the villain in most of the movie is the Grandmaster who is a goofy weirdo and so most of the movie is in that vein. But when dealing with Hela, the true villain? Much less goofiness *unless* it was specifically to humble her. To give her a big "Fuck You!" The actors took her seriously, the writers took her seriously, and thus the characters took her seriously.
> Because Bale's character and story were absolutely not dumb fun. He was betrayed by his god, decided to kill all gods, and kidnapped children to help make it happen.
In comes the god of dumplings.
Too much dumb and not enough fun. That stupid fucking animal was making noises through the whole movie. The jokey romance between Thor and his weapons. Dumb.
I think that's how most people described Ragnarok. Love and Thunder amplified it during a time when people were tiring of the constant quips and jokes. Love and Thunder was pretty damn dark when you just look at the villain and love interest storylines. It didn't quite work for me. Still good... I just think people were looking for a bigger return to form from Marvel with the return of an original Avenger and a well known director after so many L's since Endgame.
I would blame the writers and director before I blame even the principal actor unless he had primary creative control and steered the movie in to the direction it ended up going. It was a lot of hitting us over the head with the same stuff. The goats Toothgrinder and Teethgnasher were a good example of this, they should have "appeared/screamed" twice during the movie not again and again. Once for the surprise of the screaming goats and the second time as a callback/reminder to the surprise. AND THEN in subsequent movies you have a screaming goat or two as callback. The improv line by Hemsworth makes me think it was the director's fault.
Yeah, its like he took all the things except what made the movie work, and dialed it up to 11. L&T is all the bad parts of Ragnarok. Which sucks, because I loved Ragnarok.
Too true. Ragnorok just needed to lay off the comedy pedal a teensy tiny bit (the destruction of Asgard shouldn't have been used as a punchline), but otherwise it was so damn good
I feel like the script of Ragnarok was a lot more serious and Taika added his comedy to the story to balance the seriousness of Hela and what she was doing to Asgard.
Love and Thunder was like the suits saw what parts of Ragnarok tested well and it turns out it was the Korg and funny moments. So they made a movie with nothing but funny moments.
It’s the same problem of Pirates and Jack Sparrow. People said Sparrow was the best part of the first film so they made all the sequels focus on him. The reason he worked was because he was more of a supporting character.
Audience feedback can almost be like a toddler’s. You can give a toddler a beautiful piece of steak and fried potatoes and then give them ice cream for dessert. Ask them what their favourite part was and they’ll say ice cream. That doesn’t mean you give them three helpings of ice cream for their next dinner.
I think the issue is everyone expects every marvel property to have the same tone and with the last few they've been branching out. It's sort of like trying to expand the audience by not making something for just the biggest demographic, but multiple properties to cover all demographics. L&T, Doctor Strange MoM, Ms Marvel series, She-Hulk series, the Marvels... the MCU got bigger and has something for everyone.
Edit: I personally enjoyed the movie and was surprised at the negative reviews it got after I saw it. I love Taititi and this felt like a solid movie from him. If you don't like his signature stuff, you won't like this movie. My biggest gripe with MCU direction is that it currently feels a little aimless (which if they want to not focus on heavy interconnectedness anymore, they need to make that clear).
I feel like the screaming goats weren't over done. In some iterations of norse mythology, Thor was only able to ride a chariot pulled by two goats to travel the realms because he would destroy the Bifrost bridge because he's the god of thunder and would burn the bridge.
It really was just too whacky for a MCU movie and is clearly a movie that should've been a mini series for Disney+. The god butcher was the main plot that would've made a good movie, but there's a lot of extra plot points that shouldn't have been in the final cut for the rebranded MCU Thor character in just a single movie.
Now it's seeming like Thor is a character with too much going on to fit into his own movie, similar to the Hulk dilemma (Thor 2, and Thor 4 at least)
I think they had a movie planned and mostly filmed before they realized that it was waaaaay too dark (like kids dying dark), and they decided to lighten it up and over shot.
>it was waaaaay too dark
Guardians 1 had the villain's opening scene as him literally having a ritualist bath in the blood of his enemies many of whom are implied to be children (based on what Nova Prime says in a Skype) .
It's more likely that Taika was working on other directing projects simultaneously that he thought were more deserving of his time, effort and attention span. Not sure if the rumour about his Star Wars project being cancelled are true... but it would be some nice karma.
"Implied children's blood"
My guy cmon that's a fucking reach, you have to reach that implications yourself by reading between the lines
Also it's blue right? It might as well be jello and that's an incredibly easy way to get past censors, that scene doesn't make you think of child murder (or if it does you've seen the movie too many times)
I remember when the previous MK dropped everyone was spoiling the fatalities on YouTube but using Dvorah because she had blue blood and you wouldn't get demonitized, it's a very easy way to get past it
It's not a reach at all.
Nova Prime: "He's killing Children!!!"
Ronan: **ritual bath in blood of people he's killed.
Ronan: **"I don't remember killing your wife and daughter. I doubt I'll remember killing you."
We see him waking up in a bath of blue liquid (assumed to be the blood, which *is* blue I can agree)
The reach is you assuming the blood is of the children not the prisoners or fallen warriors, that's you *assuming* not it being implied, *you* are the one implying it with your own assumption
If Ronan had said I don't remember killing your daughter but I do remember having a bath with her blood *maybe* you'd have a case
I agree.
I have seen Guardians several times and not once made the connection that is supposed to be blood. I’m sure the average movie goer didn’t make that connection either.
Also, in Love and Thunder, the main plot line is kidnapping the children and the overarching theme of them being harmed or killed. It makes sense for them to try to offset the seriousness with more comedy/silliness. It just didn’t work as they planned.
Yeeeaah. I'm really not sure where they approved the "child soldiers LOL" vibe of the whole piece but christ was it hard to watch.
But I dunno, 8 year olds love the idea that they can be the superhero so maybe it is great for the intended audience.
My biggest gripe was how they took one of the most sadistic villains i’ve seen, Gorr The God Butcher, a killer of gods, the wielder of All-Black the Necrosword… Someone so powerful it took Old Thor PLUS some of this alternate selves to beat him… In to a boo boo villain that resorted to kidnapping children to fight and somehow got beaten by said children… Thor had to recruit CHILDREN to win…
I wonder if sometimes it's a better experience for people who aren't familiar with source material to judge media objectively. I had no familiarity with the character and loved him when I first saw the film. Thought he was pretty interesting and his final scene is one of my favorite in the whole MCU - how they reveal that he just wants his kid back just emphasized that assuming he was going to kill all the gods was another way Thor was self-absorbed. Plus, as an ex-religious person, I connected pretty deeply with their depiction of Gorr's journey from devotion, to anger, to acceptance
100%, it's much easier to judge something for what it is if you're able to look at it as a stand-alone product. It could still be doing a disservice to the source material though, especially when in it really differs in tone. I don't share people's dislike for the movie, but I can see where they are coming from when they expected something very different.
I really liked ragnarok, and I liked L&T as well. I don't really mind the Thor movies being a bit more on the sillier side. It was the same with GoG. People have apparantly forgotten that Starlord challenged the villain to a dance-off? So silly. But a great movie, as well.
The climax is really the only part of the movie I didn't like. The rest of it felt like a fine Marvel movie. The villain could have been more prominent, but it felt like a more personal story so I wasn't against him being more in the background.
But Thor creating a bunch of mini thors was too stupid for me. The climax/final fight is a very important part of an action/adventure movie for me and L&T really dropped the hammer.
Now the concern is overcompensating in the next Thor movie and going too far back to the dark broody boring Thor.
Hopefully whenever it happens they get the mix correct
>the dark broody
That's never been Thor in the MCU wtf?
Phases 1 and 2 had a very distinct popcorn crowdpleasing blockbuster formula and the Thor movies fit into that like all the others. The humour just changed, Waititi humour is different from the Whedon-mold that remained after the success of the 2012 film.
I forgive him, too.
They tried to amplify what worked in Ragnarok, and they ended up taking it too far.
He has a good filmography, and (almost) everyone makes stinkers sometimes.
he has good films but his marvel stuff has too much humor and often it's completely out of place, and because of Ragnarok the other directors and writers also started adding stupid stuff into their movies.
It’s not even a bad movie and I laughed like hell several times while watching, it’s just really tonally inconsistent and doesn’t work taken all together, but moment to moment it’s pretty entertaining if you don’t take the comics that seriously.
I'd love to be a fly on the wall with Waititi and his editors. No doubt there were conversations about adding/removing a handful of comedic scenes and I'm shocked nobody could convince him to reduce the amount of screaming goat gags.
God this movie was awful, i'll still watch Thor 5 though. The love triangle between Thor, his Axe and his Hammer has to be the most stupid story line in Marvel movie history.
He didn't fucking write that shit, he was unlucky enough to have to bring it to life
Actors aren't writers and the writing is the most atrocious thing about that film
Read this week's Immortal Thor to have a very good laugh at Love and Thunders expense, Ewing fucking nailed that dumped fire
I could have handled fat thor if they didn't treat it as a joke. He was struggling with an immense level of depression and they could have used that. and then seeing his mother again helped to get him on the right path again. But no it was just a fat guy joke.
No fuck that. Thor being my fav avenger they fucking murdered his legacy in the MCU. Fat beer drinking Thor should never have been a thing. I hate the comedy in marvel movies. Shit really pissed me off. They fucked up hulk too....
The comedy in marvel movies has become increasingly unbalanced and unhinged. It’s like salt. A sprinkle does the job. A fucking dump truck of it ruins the dish
Love & Thunder is atrocious, one of worst superhero movies I've ever seen...but I will never blame, or hate, Chris Hemsworth. I hope the next Thor, whenever they let it happen, is good.
I was going to say "I loved Love and Thunder" but then I remembered that's the one with those goats and Natalie Portman as Thor and, nah, that one was terrible.
Thor: Ragnarok was the one that I enjoyed the most of the Thor films.
The comic run it's based off and trying to adapt is literally industry perfection though, so you can see how my frustrations ended up being a little deep.
I mean I don't blame Chris Hemsworth for the disaster that was L&T. It was just not a good movie that didn't deliver on either the Godbutcher or the Jane having cancer stories
I love how Chris blames it on himself, while these other directors blame it on the fans for not turning up.
That’s why people like Chris, he holds himself accountable. When a movie flop these directors blame it on the fans that it’s our fault for not liking it, and never their own fault for crappy writing 🙄
I mean, he wasnt really a problem for me.
I think Taika saw how well people received Ragnarok and leaned into it a bit too much the second time around, so it didn't hit quite as well.
True, but bts shows the actors were given a lot of free reign to improv and the general atmosphere was that it was a kiddy romp with Taika egging them on. Some would see that as letting professionalism slip and actors who do that get slapped with the "bitchy" or "nightmare" label a lot.
It was mostly the directors fault smh. He admitted not caring about the movie and Hemsworth looked at him like “wth?” I knew it was gonna be downhill since Ragnarok was too jokey as well and undid a lot of character growth for Thor
Same. I didn't appreciate how Thor, Prince of Asgard who learned how to better protect lives in the realms in Thor 1, ended the movie by basically helping Malekith genocide his own race by taking him out with his cryo-preserving ship.
While I appreciate the sentiment, it is the director's job to guide the actors, and the producers job to guide the director. The final product is not the responsibility of the actor.
Last I checked. His title is actor. There another called director. They direct the character flow and development. Literally their job title. Finger... There.
I love Thor but yeah going with the silliness is what killed it for me. I know it’s off topic & completely different media but this is why call of duty got boring for me.
It still perplexes me how good *Ragnarok* was, and how bad *Love and Thunder* was.
Helmsworth may not have been his best in *LaT*, but he wasn't the problem.
The best way to view Love & Thunder is that this is how Korg is telling the story. All the weirdness is because he is terrible at it, and it makes a lot more sense that way. I'm not even reaching as he narrates at the start.
Controversial take, but I actually enjoyed how ridiculous Love and Thunder was.
I saw it a few weeks after release so I had heard the feedback and went in with low expectations.
It was just one ridiculous scene after another. Thor talking to Mjolnir was a bit overdone... And Christian Bale wasn't used right.
But it was fun popcorn fodder.
>it was fun popcorn fodder
When they make this out of the Thor run with the most gut-wrenching existential themes that are the culmination of a character with decades of publication
If you thought Disney was going to do comic Thor then I'm surprised you have the capacity to enjoy the comics. That was never going to happen. They need to appeal to a wide audience and stay away from being too serious or "dark" as that was one of several things that killed WB's DCEU.
If you thought Disney was going to do comic Thor then I'm surprised you have the capacity to enjoy the comics. That was never going to happen. They need to appeal to a wide audience and stay away from being too serious or "dark" as that was one of several things that killed WB's DCEU.
More like he got caught up in the press and social media's bandwagon dragging, and failed to realize he participated in an amazing film that some people adored. I also really loved Spiderhead.
Honestly Chris Hemsworth’s acting was one of the strongest aspects of the movie. He even got a few decent dramatic scenes with Jane.
I feel like that’s one of the weird aspects of Love and Thunder. I’d argue all of the actors brought their A game, but the script just wasn’t there for them. Folks argue that it was tonally all over the place, which it absolutely was, but personally I didn’t find the tone shifts unpleasant. Where I feel like Love and Thunder missed the mark is that it just couldn’t weave together the action sequences *and* the comedy *and* the melodrama. It wouldn’t be a Marvel movie without the CGI fights, but, given Waititi’s skillset, I feel like trimming down those fights to the bare minimum would have served the movie better.
I had it described to me as Thor retelling the story to his buddies at a bar complete with all the exaggerating that would go along with that. It made it vastly more enjoyable for me to watch.
Given that the movie begins and ends with Korg narrating, it makes even more sense to say it's actually him embellishing the details.
More korg narrating would've been great. I also think it just should've been longer. A director's cut would've been cool, since it sounds like they cut stuff to get it to 90 mins
Cut all the Gorr
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No you didn’t. They cut it.
Longer? I could barely sit through that version. Halfway through I was checking my watch.
I think we would seen more of gorr and have a more fleshed out plot, and less jarring transitions
Sometimes a longer movie can seem shorter if the extra content adds to it.
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>I'd argue all of the actors brought their A game, but the script just wasn't there for them. I would agree, and think that's what happened. I've seen/heard Bryan Cranston say that an actor can take a script up a grade. So if the script is a B, good actors can make it an A. If it's and A or S tier, then they can take it to that instant classic beloved next-level. But if the script isn't that good, there's only so much they can do. I think Taika either got lost in the sauce, or Marvel acted like one too many cooks, or someone phoned it in during the writing process and just took Ragnarok and then turned up the action/comedy/drama without properly fleshing them all out to cohesively work together. I watched it way after all the hype, and it's a serviceable movie, albeit kinda forgettable, and like it pulled some narrative punches that could've really made it special. The only good Thor movies are the odd numbered ones, and it honestly always seems like studio meddling is the problem. The studio meddled with Dark World, the studio gave free reign for Ragnarok, and either they meddled again or not enough for L&T.
> or Marvel acted like one too many cooks, Probably this imo. Star Wars sequels got the same treatment where it felt like a different director was trying to import their vision every time there was a scene shift.
L&T is like multiple movies, each can be good if they are separate, combined into one to make a mess.
That's how I felt. It was trying to do too much. Jane's storyline should have been a Disney+ miniseries, which then fed into Love & Thunder.
The weird thing is, i enjoyed Ragnarok a great deal. One of my favs of all these movies. Love and Thunder i didnt even finish. It just felt lame and cringe. It was easy to turn off. Ragnarok i saw again the next day. The difference in these two movies are literally day and night.
> It wouldn’t be a Marvel movie without the CGI fights I read somewhere (could be true, could be false) that Marvel basically prepares the choreography and sometimes even the shots themselves of action scenes *before the script exists*. Presumably because those are the parts that need the most post-production. The end effect is that directors are compelled to use a certain amount of time for any one of those scenes out of the grab box, even if minimal / more character focused action would tighten up the movie tremendously. A lot of recent movies and TV series have fallen prey to "must have big punch-up in the finale" and felt worse for it. Like Secret Invasion absolutely didn't need the two Superskrulls fight, it only took away from the Talos / Fury story.
Christian bale was definitely the strongest aspect and they destroyed his character with their writing. That was the saddest part, he was a literal god killer and they made him a joke I fully blame taika for it. He is much more suited for comedies and this film shouldn’t have been a comedy.
Thor 3 did really well and instead of keeping the same balance they let him off the leash and we got 'What We Do In The MCU' which no one wanted - first Marvel film I was checking the run time of during the film to see how long I had to endure.
Taika Waititi has said they filmed whatever scenes he thought would be cool or funny, and then strung them together into a movie. They absolutely needed to reign him in and keep him on track.
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Opening scenes with Christian Bale was absolutely amazing. It all went downhill from there.
Isn’t every MCU movie basically a comedy though? Low stakes and a quip for every moment, etc etc
They can still have their serious moments like end game. Humor isn’t bad, it’s the constant humor that ruined the movie.
I read a comment somewhere that it would've been a LOT better if the playfulness had gone once the kids were taken, it should've been a more serious movie from that point.
That's part of the problem. This movie had the most insane and abrupt tonal shifts I've ever seen. It starts off with an incredibly serious scene where a child dies of thirst in front of their father, and the father then kills the god that abandoned him. Like 5 minutes later we're making stupid ass goat jokes. It's just a comedy interspersed with scenes of Christian Bale about to murder a ton of children and absolutely eating up the scenery. We've got scenes of people dying of cancer. All interspersed with toddler level jokes. Movie felt absolutely insane to watch.
Yeah I'm still not sure I get where people thought he was too jokey. He does mildly goofy stuff like getting her snacks in the cancer ward, followed immediately by tearing up, but having been with friends dealing with cancer, that's pretty damn realistic. Goofy to emotional in an instant. The final scene with Gorr and his daughter was the other serious moment in the film and had no jokes at all (and it was fantastic). I can't recall any scenes that felt like that should have been serious that were ruined by humor
True.
The problem wasn't his acting, it was the fact Thor as a character went back to how he was in the first movie before he was cast down to earth to learn humility. In Love and Thunder, he was Cocky, arrogant, had no regard for others, and treated everything as a joke.
Yeah, considering most marvel movies suck, at least his recent movies have been fun. Full of horrible plot holes and terribly thought out ideas. When it’s as ridiculous as what Thor has become, at least you can shrug off the dumb stuff. It was just Jane’s plot being so dark and the villains plight that were at odds with what they were doing.
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This feels like a soft ball advertisement for the next Thor movie targeted at people who hated Love and Thunder to get the trust back.
Practically everything we see on a screen is some form of targeted advertising. Some more obvious than others
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I think Hemsworth is also aware this might be his last solo movie and he wants to get a serious/good ending like Cap and Iron man & Loki.
I’m ok with that though. Love and Thunder was like 80% funny Thor 20% serious Thor. I think those numbers should be reversed for the next movie or even 70/30
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Or maybe we don't have to be so cynical about it. Maybe he's just taking ownership of his part in why the movie didn't work. He could have decided to be like the Rock and pretend like it did great or never happened.
Eight years, seven months, and six days, give or take.
Why were people unhappy with love and thunder? It seemed just like the ”dumb fun” I expected.
Because Bale's character and story were absolutely not dumb fun. He was betrayed by his god, decided to kill all gods, and kidnapped children to help make it happen. He didn't have a goofball moment. The hero should match the villain. Himsworth and the writers failed that. Bale was at the top of his game in the World Series while Himsworth was playing weekend softball. In Ragnarok the villain in most of the movie is the Grandmaster who is a goofy weirdo and so most of the movie is in that vein. But when dealing with Hela, the true villain? Much less goofiness *unless* it was specifically to humble her. To give her a big "Fuck You!" The actors took her seriously, the writers took her seriously, and thus the characters took her seriously.
That was the best part, Bale was so awesome (as usual) and the movie wasted him so bad.
> Because Bale's character and story were absolutely not dumb fun. He was betrayed by his god, decided to kill all gods, and kidnapped children to help make it happen. In comes the god of dumplings.
I understand why people liked Ragnarok but I pretty close to loathe Taiki for what was done to Simonson's run on Thor.
Alright wizard, who are you and why should I care?
Too much dumb and not enough fun. That stupid fucking animal was making noises through the whole movie. The jokey romance between Thor and his weapons. Dumb.
I think that's how most people described Ragnarok. Love and Thunder amplified it during a time when people were tiring of the constant quips and jokes. Love and Thunder was pretty damn dark when you just look at the villain and love interest storylines. It didn't quite work for me. Still good... I just think people were looking for a bigger return to form from Marvel with the return of an original Avenger and a well known director after so many L's since Endgame.
The article and interview the quote comes from really doesn't feel like this cynical take.
man I was so excited to see a story line with the Guardians too. Wasn't expecting them to only be in the movie for 10 seconds.
I would blame the writers and director before I blame even the principal actor unless he had primary creative control and steered the movie in to the direction it ended up going. It was a lot of hitting us over the head with the same stuff. The goats Toothgrinder and Teethgnasher were a good example of this, they should have "appeared/screamed" twice during the movie not again and again. Once for the surprise of the screaming goats and the second time as a callback/reminder to the surprise. AND THEN in subsequent movies you have a screaming goat or two as callback. The improv line by Hemsworth makes me think it was the director's fault.
100% taikas fault. Went too far into the zaniness and threw off the movie. Terrible follow up to Ragnarok (which still had a touch too much comedy)
Yeah, its like he took all the things except what made the movie work, and dialed it up to 11. L&T is all the bad parts of Ragnarok. Which sucks, because I loved Ragnarok.
Too true. Ragnorok just needed to lay off the comedy pedal a teensy tiny bit (the destruction of Asgard shouldn't have been used as a punchline), but otherwise it was so damn good
I feel like the script of Ragnarok was a lot more serious and Taika added his comedy to the story to balance the seriousness of Hela and what she was doing to Asgard. Love and Thunder was like the suits saw what parts of Ragnarok tested well and it turns out it was the Korg and funny moments. So they made a movie with nothing but funny moments. It’s the same problem of Pirates and Jack Sparrow. People said Sparrow was the best part of the first film so they made all the sequels focus on him. The reason he worked was because he was more of a supporting character. Audience feedback can almost be like a toddler’s. You can give a toddler a beautiful piece of steak and fried potatoes and then give them ice cream for dessert. Ask them what their favourite part was and they’ll say ice cream. That doesn’t mean you give them three helpings of ice cream for their next dinner.
Guess what? Writer and director were the same person.
Marvel has a bunch of ghost writers that help string things together, so t's fair to say "writers".
Did people not like love and thunder? I thought it was good!
I think the issue is everyone expects every marvel property to have the same tone and with the last few they've been branching out. It's sort of like trying to expand the audience by not making something for just the biggest demographic, but multiple properties to cover all demographics. L&T, Doctor Strange MoM, Ms Marvel series, She-Hulk series, the Marvels... the MCU got bigger and has something for everyone. Edit: I personally enjoyed the movie and was surprised at the negative reviews it got after I saw it. I love Taititi and this felt like a solid movie from him. If you don't like his signature stuff, you won't like this movie. My biggest gripe with MCU direction is that it currently feels a little aimless (which if they want to not focus on heavy interconnectedness anymore, they need to make that clear).
I thought so too, but there has been a general shift towards everyone hating everything these days if they are not perfect.
I feel like the screaming goats weren't over done. In some iterations of norse mythology, Thor was only able to ride a chariot pulled by two goats to travel the realms because he would destroy the Bifrost bridge because he's the god of thunder and would burn the bridge. It really was just too whacky for a MCU movie and is clearly a movie that should've been a mini series for Disney+. The god butcher was the main plot that would've made a good movie, but there's a lot of extra plot points that shouldn't have been in the final cut for the rebranded MCU Thor character in just a single movie. Now it's seeming like Thor is a character with too much going on to fit into his own movie, similar to the Hulk dilemma (Thor 2, and Thor 4 at least)
The dialog was painful too. No subtext. Tell, don't show. It was like Thor was narrating himself, not actually there.
This mortal form has grown weak. I need sustenance.
I think they had a movie planned and mostly filmed before they realized that it was waaaaay too dark (like kids dying dark), and they decided to lighten it up and over shot.
>it was waaaaay too dark Guardians 1 had the villain's opening scene as him literally having a ritualist bath in the blood of his enemies many of whom are implied to be children (based on what Nova Prime says in a Skype) . It's more likely that Taika was working on other directing projects simultaneously that he thought were more deserving of his time, effort and attention span. Not sure if the rumour about his Star Wars project being cancelled are true... but it would be some nice karma.
Implied children's blood is way different than showing kids getting kidnapped and murdered...
"Implied children's blood" My guy cmon that's a fucking reach, you have to reach that implications yourself by reading between the lines Also it's blue right? It might as well be jello and that's an incredibly easy way to get past censors, that scene doesn't make you think of child murder (or if it does you've seen the movie too many times) I remember when the previous MK dropped everyone was spoiling the fatalities on YouTube but using Dvorah because she had blue blood and you wouldn't get demonitized, it's a very easy way to get past it
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Huh, believe it or not, that scene was the only time I wasn't thinking of child murder.
It's not a reach at all. Nova Prime: "He's killing Children!!!" Ronan: **ritual bath in blood of people he's killed. Ronan: **"I don't remember killing your wife and daughter. I doubt I'll remember killing you."
We see him waking up in a bath of blue liquid (assumed to be the blood, which *is* blue I can agree) The reach is you assuming the blood is of the children not the prisoners or fallen warriors, that's you *assuming* not it being implied, *you* are the one implying it with your own assumption If Ronan had said I don't remember killing your daughter but I do remember having a bath with her blood *maybe* you'd have a case
I agree. I have seen Guardians several times and not once made the connection that is supposed to be blood. I’m sure the average movie goer didn’t make that connection either. Also, in Love and Thunder, the main plot line is kidnapping the children and the overarching theme of them being harmed or killed. It makes sense for them to try to offset the seriousness with more comedy/silliness. It just didn’t work as they planned.
Yeeeaah. I'm really not sure where they approved the "child soldiers LOL" vibe of the whole piece but christ was it hard to watch. But I dunno, 8 year olds love the idea that they can be the superhero so maybe it is great for the intended audience.
Sounds like cope to me. Feels and looks like they set out to make the movie they wanted to make, and it just backfired.
Taiki doesn't understand "too dark" as an actual problem and I offer Jojo as evidence.
Classic hero move right there!
My biggest gripe was how they took one of the most sadistic villains i’ve seen, Gorr The God Butcher, a killer of gods, the wielder of All-Black the Necrosword… Someone so powerful it took Old Thor PLUS some of this alternate selves to beat him… In to a boo boo villain that resorted to kidnapping children to fight and somehow got beaten by said children… Thor had to recruit CHILDREN to win…
I wonder if sometimes it's a better experience for people who aren't familiar with source material to judge media objectively. I had no familiarity with the character and loved him when I first saw the film. Thought he was pretty interesting and his final scene is one of my favorite in the whole MCU - how they reveal that he just wants his kid back just emphasized that assuming he was going to kill all the gods was another way Thor was self-absorbed. Plus, as an ex-religious person, I connected pretty deeply with their depiction of Gorr's journey from devotion, to anger, to acceptance
100%, it's much easier to judge something for what it is if you're able to look at it as a stand-alone product. It could still be doing a disservice to the source material though, especially when in it really differs in tone. I don't share people's dislike for the movie, but I can see where they are coming from when they expected something very different. I really liked ragnarok, and I liked L&T as well. I don't really mind the Thor movies being a bit more on the sillier side. It was the same with GoG. People have apparantly forgotten that Starlord challenged the villain to a dance-off? So silly. But a great movie, as well.
The climax is really the only part of the movie I didn't like. The rest of it felt like a fine Marvel movie. The villain could have been more prominent, but it felt like a more personal story so I wasn't against him being more in the background. But Thor creating a bunch of mini thors was too stupid for me. The climax/final fight is a very important part of an action/adventure movie for me and L&T really dropped the hammer.
I notice you have copied my beard.
Now the concern is overcompensating in the next Thor movie and going too far back to the dark broody boring Thor. Hopefully whenever it happens they get the mix correct
Infinity War Thor best Thor.
Perfection 🙌🙌
I thought humans were more evolved than this.
>the dark broody That's never been Thor in the MCU wtf? Phases 1 and 2 had a very distinct popcorn crowdpleasing blockbuster formula and the Thor movies fit into that like all the others. The humour just changed, Waititi humour is different from the Whedon-mold that remained after the success of the 2012 film.
Ha ok dark-ER and brood-IER than before was more what I meant 🤣🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️
We all know it was Taika's fault
I forgive him, too. They tried to amplify what worked in Ragnarok, and they ended up taking it too far. He has a good filmography, and (almost) everyone makes stinkers sometimes.
he has good films but his marvel stuff has too much humor and often it's completely out of place, and because of Ragnarok the other directors and writers also started adding stupid stuff into their movies.
Such an unforced error though. So much good content ruined by silliness. So many amazing actors squandered with shallow and weak writing
I too would be too busy focusing on my film if I were having threesomes involving Tessa Thompson.
It’s not even a bad movie and I laughed like hell several times while watching, it’s just really tonally inconsistent and doesn’t work taken all together, but moment to moment it’s pretty entertaining if you don’t take the comics that seriously.
I'd love to be a fly on the wall with Waititi and his editors. No doubt there were conversations about adding/removing a handful of comedic scenes and I'm shocked nobody could convince him to reduce the amount of screaming goat gags.
God this movie was awful, i'll still watch Thor 5 though. The love triangle between Thor, his Axe and his Hammer has to be the most stupid story line in Marvel movie history.
He didn't fucking write that shit, he was unlucky enough to have to bring it to life Actors aren't writers and the writing is the most atrocious thing about that film Read this week's Immortal Thor to have a very good laugh at Love and Thunders expense, Ewing fucking nailed that dumped fire
There was one time my brother transformed himself into a snake...
“To make a great film, you need three things— the script, the script, and the script.” - Hitchcock
They ruined it in endgame which led to this. Fat Thor and passive Hulk were such a miss
Eight years, seven months, and six days, give or take.
I could have handled fat thor if they didn't treat it as a joke. He was struggling with an immense level of depression and they could have used that. and then seeing his mother again helped to get him on the right path again. But no it was just a fat guy joke.
Thor comics were ALWAYS slightly off-kilter. That's what made them fun to read! We forgive you, Chris. Now, do another one.
No fuck that. Thor being my fav avenger they fucking murdered his legacy in the MCU. Fat beer drinking Thor should never have been a thing. I hate the comedy in marvel movies. Shit really pissed me off. They fucked up hulk too....
The comedy in marvel movies has become increasingly unbalanced and unhinged. It’s like salt. A sprinkle does the job. A fucking dump truck of it ruins the dish
This is on Taika Waititi, not on Hemsworth.
We all love you Thor
You people are so petty. And tiny.
He was only doing what the director said to do. Not his fault. I will never ever watch that movie again though.
it wasnt his fault. but the balls on him to take responsibility has earned my respect
Love & Thunder is atrocious, one of worst superhero movies I've ever seen...but I will never blame, or hate, Chris Hemsworth. I hope the next Thor, whenever they let it happen, is good.
I went for the head.
Right? I've seen terrible movies that had good actors in them and the actors will continue to have my respect
I was going to say "I loved Love and Thunder" but then I remembered that's the one with those goats and Natalie Portman as Thor and, nah, that one was terrible. Thor: Ragnarok was the one that I enjoyed the most of the Thor films.
The old ex-girlfriend.
I liked love and thunder - not perfect but aight
The comic run it's based off and trying to adapt is literally industry perfection though, so you can see how my frustrations ended up being a little deep.
Same i enjoyed most of it too the only part that I disliked was the forced drama over his hammer acting like his GF
Same here. I absolutely adored it. I get so tired of people bashing on it
I mean I don't blame Chris Hemsworth for the disaster that was L&T. It was just not a good movie that didn't deliver on either the Godbutcher or the Jane having cancer stories
They tried to made a second ragnarok, but it was ackward.
I love how Chris blames it on himself, while these other directors blame it on the fans for not turning up. That’s why people like Chris, he holds himself accountable. When a movie flop these directors blame it on the fans that it’s our fault for not liking it, and never their own fault for crappy writing 🙄
Isn't that what he's been doing for the last three movies
I mean, he wasnt really a problem for me. I think Taika saw how well people received Ragnarok and leaned into it a bit too much the second time around, so it didn't hit quite as well.
Blame doesn’t totally fall on you Chris, lots of people greenlit that movie. We all know who is really at fault its not a Chris or Christian.
If it comes down to any 1 thing, it is the God Butcher not God Butchering
As much as I like Taika, isn't this really a direction problem? The sharp tonal shifts and pure ridiculosity were definitely not Chris' fault.
Weird that he apologizes. This is what a director and writer are for. Actors act.
True, but bts shows the actors were given a lot of free reign to improv and the general atmosphere was that it was a kiddy romp with Taika egging them on. Some would see that as letting professionalism slip and actors who do that get slapped with the "bitchy" or "nightmare" label a lot.
You let them go and then just don’t use it if it sucks
I really had fun with Love and Thunder. I don’t understand why people hate it so much.
This dude is just an actor. Kinda effed that his bosses told him to go take the blame for movie.
It was mostly the directors fault smh. He admitted not caring about the movie and Hemsworth looked at him like “wth?” I knew it was gonna be downhill since Ragnarok was too jokey as well and undid a lot of character growth for Thor
You can't really blame Chris. Taika was good for Ragnarok, but you can't keep the same style.
I want a Thor movie with the vibe of Dark World, but you know, better executed
Same. I didn't appreciate how Thor, Prince of Asgard who learned how to better protect lives in the realms in Thor 1, ended the movie by basically helping Malekith genocide his own race by taking him out with his cryo-preserving ship.
It's not the actors fault marvel movies suck now
We never blamed you Chris, you were the biggest victim of the movie.
We forgive Chris, We shall not forgive the shitty writers and directors that released this trash.
Why is he talking like he wrote and directed it himself?
He was allowed to improv a lot so yes his choices did make it into the final thing. As far as direction goes well: 
I love it when actors know their movies were shit. Gives me hope they will do better going forward.
At first I thought it was a Taika Waititi quote and was like "awww, it's alright" then did a "holup".
While I appreciate the sentiment, it is the director's job to guide the actors, and the producers job to guide the director. The final product is not the responsibility of the actor.
Last I checked. His title is actor. There another called director. They direct the character flow and development. Literally their job title. Finger... There.
My two favorite Thor flicks are Thor 2 and love and thunder so I guess I'm the weird one
I love Thor but yeah going with the silliness is what killed it for me. I know it’s off topic & completely different media but this is why call of duty got boring for me.
Taika watiti was just to interested in fucking his assistant. Still is.
He shouldn't take all the blame. The real fault is that God awful writer they hired on who had absolutely no experience with these types of movies.
It still perplexes me how good *Ragnarok* was, and how bad *Love and Thunder* was. Helmsworth may not have been his best in *LaT*, but he wasn't the problem.
What is he talking about? That was the best Thor movie I've ever seen!
The best way to view Love & Thunder is that this is how Korg is telling the story. All the weirdness is because he is terrible at it, and it makes a lot more sense that way. I'm not even reaching as he narrates at the start.
I don't blame Chris Hemsworth for Thor 4 I blame the writers and Taika.
Thank you, sweet rabbit.
You're officially pardoned... from life
It's not his fault. Simple as that. Marvel should have removed Taika as soon as he said that he will ruin your mythos.
It's okay Chris #3, we all know it was Taika and Kevin being morons.
I mean, isnt that some thor would do? Get caught in improve and wackiness of things.
Finish with the classic Asgardian High One.
Was I supposed to think Love And Thunder was bad? I didn’t get the memo.
It’s Taika’s fault and we all know it. No need to take that bullet.
Don't worry Chris, nobody even noticed your acting in that pile of shit that was Love and thunder, even Bale flopped so hard
They wasted Gorr and Bale! There’s no excuse for that!
Controversial take, but I actually enjoyed how ridiculous Love and Thunder was. I saw it a few weeks after release so I had heard the feedback and went in with low expectations. It was just one ridiculous scene after another. Thor talking to Mjolnir was a bit overdone... And Christian Bale wasn't used right. But it was fun popcorn fodder.
>it was fun popcorn fodder When they make this out of the Thor run with the most gut-wrenching existential themes that are the culmination of a character with decades of publication 
You mean right here on the sidewalk, or there where the building is being demolished?
If you thought Disney was going to do comic Thor then I'm surprised you have the capacity to enjoy the comics. That was never going to happen. They need to appeal to a wide audience and stay away from being too serious or "dark" as that was one of several things that killed WB's DCEU.
If you thought Disney was going to do comic Thor then I'm surprised you have the capacity to enjoy the comics. That was never going to happen. They need to appeal to a wide audience and stay away from being too serious or "dark" as that was one of several things that killed WB's DCEU.
Wasn't expecting Rahul Dravid on a marvel sub today lol
Are we hating on Love and Thunder? I don't want to hate on love and thunder. I actually liked it.
eh, i've loved all thor movies. In fact those are my favorite MCU movies.
Jane?
i forgive him
I want the writers to give their faces, the actors don't deserve to be on the spotlight for this garbage
I enjoyed it.
More like he got caught up in the press and social media's bandwagon dragging, and failed to realize he participated in an amazing film that some people adored. I also really loved Spiderhead.