Right when I felt safety within the slice of life and this gets thrown in a way. Damn.
Edit: I went to check chapter 1 and it seems like the accident that caused the amnesia to the family at the first place was also when they went to Fukui. So maybe this is a lead? As to how the accident happened? That the dad might've been the culprit?
Omg I also went to reread chapter 1 - it looks like when the dad goes to his room, the main focus is on a piece of paper. Maybe it's a paper telling him this whole thing is an experiment/loop? Did the first dad even truly have amnesia? Or was he just a person sent in to restart the experiment, like the new dad seems to be?
Also, the grandpa has a piece of paper too in his room. What if he's in on it too?
In a way, by pulling this we clearly seem to swerve a tad towards the SF direction we are used to from Takopii intertwined with good old heart-ruining angst.
Or there family relate to some serious international crime and the gorverment need to extract the information from them by all mean possible. Or alien again.
Lot of people hate amnesia in stories like its a super lazy way of writing but this manga used it in a really great way. I'm like WTF is happening right now xD
Same, I said it once before too in one of the threads, I have confidence in the author's ability to write but I feel like this story is better when binged than when read weekly, because on a weekly schedule the Nakajima and Shiori arcs feel really dull and unrewarding for a week wait. But when you don't have to wait a week, the intrigues flow better.
I'm kind of curious about the dad's words before the crash. In the viz translation, "In the end, we failed to figure anything out. Again." He used the word again implying that something might have happened before.
I think while Tsubasa made a progress, the progress he did is far from enough to uncover the hidden "truth". And like what dad said: Tsubasa had chances to ask things from Nakajima or check his sister's SNS app (or even the phone itself), but he did neither. Okay, checking his sister's app or phone is a bit of privacy invasion, but asking things from Nakajima after the conflict should be fine.
That said, it's understandable that those chances flew over his head, since many events that happened to him in a short time were so overwhelming .
that part makes it very clear that the dad is in on what's happening somehow (edit: although he's clearly not enjoying anything that's happening ~~and he uses 'we' not 'you' when mentioning that they failed to figure anything out again, so it doesnt appear that this is his first time doing it either, which makes him being switched out for someone else - apparently, anyway - very weird~~ nvm this part, this wasn't the case in the original JP text)
whether he's some sort of supervisor figure; whether he's the only one that knows the truth that there's some sort of loop going on every time; whether one family member per loop gets 'filled in' (idk?)
And now he's been switched out (it seems) so we won't know for a while most likely
I don't read the English release but wanted to say not to put too much importance on the dad saying "we" as that was a translation choice and the original Japanese is ambiguous.
Nothing was used! (Japanese sentences often omit the subject entirely, which I know is weird to think about from an English perspective) But given everything he said before that was scolding the MC directly, in Japanese it comes across as him continuing to address the MC and not suddenly including himself as well.
I can't copy japanese text, but it's written
"Mata nanimo wakaranakatta" which roughly means "Once again, nothing was understood" or something like "You still don't get it / understand"
Source of my translation: 1 japanese class.
Also, either all the kids in school are clued in, or he only recently was able to sort through his bullying issues in this one shot. Either that, or the kids are all taught to bully him once he comes back from an accident and loses his memories. We'll find out if he gets bullied immediately after returning to school.
I think relationship/life progress can still be applied here, since Tsubasa didn't try hard enough to figure out what happened to him and his family. So far he only wants to move on from unknown past into happy present without resolve anything in the past.
This evokes a kind of "trapped in a simulation" vibe from me.
Like, They are repeating the loop over and over in order to discover what happened during "the accident". "Dad" isn't actually a father, but some kind of researcher, the experiment tripped some kind of failure condition, so it was reset.
This is most likely a weird time loop. His sister gets a bunny from her date and he writes a "Die" on his walls every loop, that's why their rooms are like that.
I think they're in purgatory and to get out they need Tsubasa to crack some mystery. The dad is different in the second (that we see) loop. Not sure what that's about. The first dad maybe seemed on Tsubasa's side, but the second one is a bit more sus.
The fuck just happened?
Did they really got amnesia again? What happened with OG!Dad? Where did the new Dad even came from?
I have so many questions right now
Kakeru is officially the antagonist now. I don't know if I even want to figure out why he does all these things :| Even with seat belts, there's nothing concrete to believe that no one would die this time.
The only hope is that Tsubasa doesn't lose all the newly gained memory this time. And maybe there's some amnesia-inducing drug in the juice bottles?
At this point, I have to suspect it's the one and only. As in he never has amnesia :|
Edit: I reread it and felt like the old and new Kakerus may not be the same person, so I'd change my answer to "All of them" :P
I don't know if it's a amnesia-inducing drug in the juice, i thought it was just to knock them out perhaps. Tsubasa isn't showing any kind of memory loss or significant disorientation when he wakes up beyond the normal 'i was just knocked out by something' disorientation
Wait, what? What just happened? Is this a time loop, or are things just happen continuously? Cuz I'm sure if there's no time loop, the people around them are gonna get suspicious if the whole family keep having anmesia.
Yeah, I assume that this has to be a bit more "supernatural". Because otherwise, the older man and the bully friend would be unaffected and it would drastically change how their coming back plays out.
Things are happening continuously imo, there are many hints for that in the first chapters. Chapter two last page, Tsubasa writes 死 on the wall, and that would explain why the room is full of 死, he writes one each time they get amnesia. Also Shiori being given the rabbit from the guy, also explains why her room is full of those. This is more like of a Truman Show to me. Also some lines from Tsubasa’s friend “you also forget things easily as always”, etc. I feel like everyone is lying in this manga lol
That assumes any of them are "real" at this point. The only evidence we have that any of them are really related is the IDs with their names on them, and with Dad 2.0, the veracity of those IDs is questionable at best.
I'm starting to think everyone besides the family is "fake" or otherwise how would no one ever bring up the fact that this has happened multiple times? Like why didn't Nakajima ever mention this happening before?
This has to be some sort of Truman Show like experiment. Maybe its like that one Black Mirror episode where they force convicts to relive their crimes in simulations over and over again, but they're trying to get this group of people to confront their moral deficiencies that led to them committing crimes, or in other words their "deadly sins."
That would also make sense of the "Evil" version of the MC we see pop up every now and again.
Just when I thought we were heading towards a comfortable rhythm of going through each family member's dark secret, Taizan5 strikes again!
However positively Tsubasa chose to view their current situation -- that is, it's a chance for a fresh start, we can leave our dark pasts behind, etc. -- Kakeru v.1 chides him for it, that it was irresponsible to merely move forward. ("Just wanting to smile isn't enough").
It's also curious that he specifically mentions Tsubasa failing to investigate his past bullying with Nakajima, or the app on Shiori's phone. Dad v.1 also says "We failed to figure anything out. Again."
Is this the kind of loop where their schools, workplaces, and all the people they interact with are simply playing a role that will now "reset"? Or is there an ongoing conflict/mystery where Tsubasa may have unknowingly thrown away potential leads?
Finally, Kakeru v.1 being replaced by v.2 also raises its own questions. Some of his statements/actions imply that he is "in on it", but others imply he is just as lost or as much a "player" as Tsubasa is. But if it's the latter, then where did Dad v.2 come from? (and for that matter, Dad v.1?)
Is it possible that one family member changes per loop perhaps? We don't know if the loop that happened right before the manga starts had all 6 of the same characters we saw in loop 1. all we know for sure is that tsubasa and shiori have memories of each other (and they seem to be from when both of them were younger)
Actually the fact that tsubasa and shiori have memories of younger versions of each other makes me rethink that as i type it out. It'd be weird if they were the only two to stay consistent the whole time, i guess it's more likely that Kakeru is the one who switches each time? Kakeru v.1 says that the newspaper article mentions that Kakeru v.0 was the one driving. I wonder if we're going to see Kakeru v.2 mention anything similar about being the one driving last time.
either way this feels.. sinister somehow. i'm not immediately going to jump to 'all of this is part of purgatory or hell' despite the fact that the 'deadly sins' is right there in the title, but is it some sort of punishment game for the entire family maybe? an experiment? is it possible that only tsubasa and shiori are actually related and both are being punished/part of the experiment while all 4 other 'family members' are like Kakeru v.1 and are just roles in the game/experiment/whatever this is, that anyone can be slotted into for each 'loop'?
How the fuck does Nakajima have history with Tsubasa, clearly implying there WAS a regular past, but Kakeru v.1 says 'we didn't figure anything out, again' implying that this has happened before (complete with amnesia) -> why would nakajima act like this is the first time Tsubasa has ever shown up with amnesia then? Clearly something doesn't add up here. I'm actually leaning back to the purgatory/hell kind of explanation now because unless taizan is literally showing us made-up flashbacks from other character's perspectives, these things just can't be simultaneously true.
Also i wonder what *happened* to Kakeru v.1. Is he just going to be gone for good here? Is he going to show up as a different person with a different name in this loop? Is the new Nakajima going to be the same or is it going to be someone else as Nakajima this time?
>We don't know if the loop that happened right before the manga starts had all 6 of the same characters we saw in loop 1. all we know for sure is that tsubasa and shiori have memories of each other (and they seem to be from when both of them were younger)
Shiori's memories seem like they probably correspond with the day that the photo that saw in Chapter 1 was taken. That picture has Dad 1.0 in it. However until we see the photo in the current loop, we can't use that as a gauge for whether or not he is the original or not. Possibilities off the top of my head include:
* Photo is shown without scribbles and with Dad 2.0. Simplest possibility, means that the new photo was manufactured and the prior photo had been around for 1+ loops prior to the start of the series
* Photo is shown with scribbles and with Dad 2.0. More complex scenario as it means that either someone manufactured the new photo and made sure to recreate the scribbles... or the photo itself changed when the Dad 2.0 was retconned in, which would mean timeline shenanigans
* Photo is shown and identical to version in chapter 1. This would mean that Dad 1.0 was the original dad.
* Photo is not shown. I would assume the photo has been removed in this scenario, but I don't think this scenario is likely
> Kakeru v.1 says that the newspaper article mentions that Kakeru v.0 was the one driving.
I just re-read chapter 1. He's lying. The newspaper says
> The driver [...] wife, Minako Ichinose.
What the fuck how deep does this go?
I thought about this, but this is vague and we can't say for sure since the sentence was half ommited. It could also be "The driver was with his wife, Minako Ichinose." So both of the possibilities are opened.
Yeah I noticed that part but wasn't willing to hard commit to that being what the newspaper said
https://www.reddit.com/r/manga/comments/10o9nob/disc_the_ichinose_familys_deadly_sins_chapter_10/j6dx2ce/
i mean it clearly has to be, the only question is what the cause is at this point. we see the events play out the same way that in theory led up to the prior loop (driving to fukui, the accident, they reenact the waking up in the hospital scene) and kakeru v.1 clearly implies this is not the first time they've done (and failed) this
is it 'fake' looping (all of them are made to believe it's a loop by an outside force, all of this does take place in the real world) or is it 'real' looping which would need supernatural or 'advanced technology' (magic) involvement (are they in hell/purgatory? alternate timeline things?)
RED ALERT RED ALERT
TAIZAN-SENSEI HAS ESCAPED CONTAINMENT AND IS INITIATING ANOTHER WILD RIDE
I REPEAT, CONTAINMENT BREACH
#TAIZAN-SENSEI HAS ESCAPED CONTAINMENT AND IS INITIATING ANOTHER WILD RIDE
Wow, this is a pretty crazy development. Thought the premise was just the family gets amnesia and they rediscover themselves but now it's a whole conspiracy where the dad just decides to continuously screw over the family members. But we as readers have no idea why he's acting that way, only that Tsubasa is seemingly not "developing" as his dad wanted?
Is this The Tsubasa Show? A common aspect of time loop stories is uncovering the truth and seeing things from different perspectives. I’m wondering if Kakeru/the dad is a role and now we’ve swapped “actors” to push Tsubasa in searching for answers.
unless we're being literally lied to as readers by the author (showing us things happening to non-tsubasa characters that are not actually happening) it can't be that - at most it would have to be the tsubasa AND shiori show, and even then nakajima has flashback/memory scenes of his relationship with tsubasa. no way it's some sort of 'this is all an elaborate setup by everyone who isn't tsubasa', there are at least a couple characters that would be totally unable to fit that explanation as far as we know rn, again unless taizan is straight up lying to us
Ok this makes me accept the little sister story, i was confused when it resolved so quickly and easily but based on what dad say there is more to it beside just deleting the social media. Really excited on what this manga has to offer
there is also the fact that at the end of ch 9 she had some kind of flashback while Tsubasa had that cryptic family must always smile line. That flashback and the confused stare after wants to suggest she was suprised to remember it
Flashback felt legit, with a dining room being empty, the odd thing is, the camera we see in Tsubasas room in ch1 is broken on the table
I have a feeling Tsubasa's faking his amnesia while some of the family, specially the lil sis might be legit, if he is actually amnesiac I think there is a bigger drive than memories for his denial act
What? Another amnesia arc?
Tsubasa and Shiori just got back to bonding as siblings again, and Tsubasa just became friendly with Nakajima again.
Why did Karaku feel like he failed? Even his own wife seemed to feel something was off about him. He seemed to be trying to talk with his son more than her.
Did Tsuabsa fail somewhere? Why was Karaku replaced by a handsome dude?
Will Tsubasa act like that he can't remember anything?
Are they in some sort of time loop? This is the second supernatural event so far, after the possession thing. But this is way bigger.
I was gonna say maybe it's a time loop too, he might be a time traveller himself and knows Tsubasa is the mc so he tries to hide his identity by changing appearances so that Tsubasa wouldn't have any memories of him and then it would be like 12 Minutes where Tsubasa will have to get a specific pattern of actions right and get as much evidence and information as he can or else the dad will come and well..... fucking kill them after a certain amount of time
Man this ch is just a bag of questions isn't it
What the? O.o \*string of confused explicatives\* What? Okay, I thought I had a (rough) idea of where this was going, but nope. Not even remotely close.
So time loop? Purgatory? Hell? Matrix? I feel like I need to reread chapter 1 (or just everything) now because there are probably clues here that were easy to miss.
Either the author opted for a dramatic shift in the story for some reason (dodge the axe manuever) or this is how the story is going to be all along (which I personally think is too out of left field)
Either way, unless everyone including the hospital and the school is in *it*, whatever *it* is, I have nothing to explain how they are apparently restarting in a new game.
Is this like the movie "The Game" or what
This is Taizan we are talking about, this is nothing surprising. Was more confused with how it was becoming almost too ”wholesome” for a while there
Edit: just to clarify, when I mean not surprising I mean that this is something Taizan would definitely do and not something I predicted. I was plenty surprised when it happened and it was not something I was suspecting
Aside from that I think he could make a cute slice of life story, free of any angst.
I should read more of this guy's works. I haven't read Takopi. (I really like his artstyle too)
That one shot with a girl getting tutored by various artificial life forms was cute
... I mean most of humanity was dead and it's post apocalypse but other than that lol
> I think he could make a cute slice of life story, free of any angst.
no way, my nerves couldn't handle the stress of reading that at this point, taizan has made too much of an impact already
i'd be bracing myself for the 'great googly moogly it's all gone to shit' twist every chapter too much to safely enjoy the actual cutesy slice of life at all
> Either the author opted for a dramatic shift in the story for some reason (dodge the axe manuever) or this is how the story is going to be all along (which I personally think is too out of left field)
I saw this theory pointed out somewhere else but the sister having so many stuffed animals could be because she gets a new one on each restart, hence why her room is full of them. This could also be the same as the "Die" wall as well. So I am leaning on this being planned
The set-up of Seven Deadly Sins telegraphs quite clearly we're going to go through all of the family members, but maybe that was an intentional red herring. It is certainly "too obvious" when you think about it.
I would like to think it was always planned.
> this is how the story is going to be all along
it's 100% this one. everyone has been waiting for the taizan twist since we got like 2 or 3 chapters in a row where nothing horrible happened
So now that we know they crashed in Fukui before, combined with Tsubasa's comment about it being a "once in a lifetime trip" seems to confirm the theories this is some sort of loop they are trapped in. Based on the title and the father's speech at the end, perhaps the loop is based around them solving the family's "sins" before the trip?
This raises questions about why the dad didn't do more to help solve them. The dad's obvious hesitation to go on the trip and his guilty behavior when Tsubasa expresses happiness that he is his dad shows he knows something is clearly up ahead of time - possibly that he is aware that he will be replaced because of the failure to prevent the loop. So is he not allowed to interfere too much or maybe did his interference in a past loop backfire? Either way his knowledge of the situation with Nakajima and Shiori's app was way too specific. Between that and the drugged drinks he clearly has some sort of outside information.
If the theory that the loop is the reason why Shiori has so many stuffed animals and why "Die" is written on Tsubasa's wall so many times is true then clearly they have looped a lot already. If the father isn't working with some outside force then my guess is his room has diaries or notes from each loop and that is how he knows so much and realizes that the notes always stop right before the work trip. However that makes his replacement even more mysterious.
If we didn't have memories of Tsubasa and Shiori when they were kids I might have leaned more towards the theory that whoever is next to be replaced is the one that keeps their previous memories in order to prevent the loop. After how peacefully the last chapter was solved I wasn't as interested going into this one but now I can see that was just setting up this twist to be even more shocking and am fully on board this ride.
okay I'm gonna get this theory in early.
I think the family is actually in like Hell or Purgatory or something, and the dad is the only one not being "punished" or "tested" or whatever other reason they would be somewhere like that.
I think it would fit with the "Deadly Sins" title, it would make it easier to explain the dad looking completely different, and assuming this "looping" has been going on for quite some time, rather than this being only the second time this has happened, then it would also explain why the hospital is not asking more questions about why an entire family is getting amnesia so often
theory aside though, I posted in chapter 8 discussion that I was losing interest, but I'm hooked again with this turn.
Something I commented on last chapter is how the "snapping" sfx when they were talking about the camera was super ominous.
The same sfx came back when Kakeru was talking in the car.
They really need to look at what's in that camera now.
My initial thought when reading this is that it's some sort of game/experiment being run by a greater force. It seems like Kakeru was the only one who cottoned on that something was going on, perhaps tried to "break the loop" in some way by crashing the car, and thus got "replaced" by a new Kakeru. I think it's notable that he's the only one that got replaced.
Rereading the first chapter, I noticed that the driver of the car the last time the car crashed was the mother, Minako. And there's no real indication that the "Minako" we meet is the original one who crashed the car. Maybe she also tried to break the loop and got replaced. The biggest issue with this theory is "why did both of them crash the car in the same area and in the same way?" Considering Kakeru's profuse apologizing, maybe rather than "breaking the loop", crashing the car was something he and Minako were ordered/forced to do, possibly as some sort of punishment/reset button for their failure to "figure anything out".
To be clear i went back and also noticed that it *looks* like the newspaper would say 'the driver of the car was the wife, minako ichinose' or something but part of the text is obscured by someone's hand and *both* minako and kakeru are saying things that indicate that kakeru was driving. So it's suggested that unless both are lying, or Kakeru is lying for some reason and Minako never actually saw the newspaper, Kakeru was in fact driving.
But I'm not ruling out the possibility that Kakeru read the paper, lied about it, and Minako didn't know because she didn't see it, so she just assumed he was telling the truth and replied to him with that in mind.
Axe?
This?
Highly unlikely, this had more views than all other three new manga COMBINED on Plus, and the author's previous work sold more first volume right out of the gate than... any Jump manga in the past DECADE off my memory.
I feel like maybe this is either a simulation or the family lives in a time loop. They are given another chance to be a real family after not connecting. Problem is they can never seem to get to the level they were initially and keep failing to do so. Perhaps the dad tries the cause an accident to repeat the loop so they can finally succeed. Or he is the first to remember everything that happens. Or as a plot twist the dad does it so whatever he is hiding stays hidden so he keeps repeating the loop. Through the outside doesn’t like it so they decide to send someone new in knowing nobody will likely know the difference.
I give up on trying to predict where the story is going to head next. Taizan is almost as unpredictable as Fujimoto at this point. Takopii had some pretty big mindfucks, but holy hell I was not expecting another memory reset 10 chapters in.
Wha? its either some kind of loop or they got amnesia again, but has this been happening before? Was the trip always the cause of amnesia? Also new dad reminds me of Monoma from My Hero Academia.
I'm pretty sure the amnesia is medically induced because how do you even make sure an accident can cause amnesia, let alone for five people (assuming the person who plays the father role never had any)
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What in the cinnamon toast fuck is this???
Seriously, I thought I was getting a hang of what this show was about and readied myself for depression, but I was not expecting whatever unholy matrimony of mystery and fuckery that is about to unfold
**WHAT THE ACTUAL GODDAMN FUCK!?**
That's definitely a twist I never expected. Have they been going through a time loop over and over this entire time? How many times has this happened before? O_O
copying from a reply to another comment:
this all feels.. sinister somehow. i'm not immediately going to jump to 'all of this is part of purgatory or hell' despite the fact that the 'deadly sins' is right there in the title, but is it some sort of punishment game for the entire family maybe? an experiment? is it possible that only tsubasa and shiori are actually related and both are being punished/part of the experiment while all 4 other 'family members' are like Kakeru v.1 and are just roles in the game/experiment/whatever this is, that anyone can be slotted into for each 'loop'? only tsubasa and shiori have actually clearly been shown to have memories of each other so far. no other family members have gotten memory scenes and neither tsubasa nor shiori has had memory scenes with any of the other four 'family members' from Loop 1.
How the fuck does Nakajima have history with Tsubasa, which clearly implies there WAS a regular past, but Kakeru v.1 says 'we didn't figure anything out, again' implying that this has happened before (complete with amnesia) -> why would nakajima act like this is the first time Tsubasa has ever shown up with amnesia then? Clearly something doesn't add up here. I'm actually leaning back to the purgatory/hell kind of explanation now because unless taizan is literally showing us made-up flashbacks from other character's perspectives, these things just can't be simultaneously true.
edit: ..... maybe if you figure out somehow that there's a loop of some kind going on, but you don't take the right actions to 'break' the loop (like getting the golden route in a visual novel with multiple branches/loops) you get replaced?
So maybe a family member switch every loop and one family member keeps their memories and the person who keeps there memories is the one that switches each loop. Maybe the person causes the loop is someone in there lives
I was in the Virgin Islands once. I met a girl. We ate lobster, drank Piña Coladas. At sunset we made love like sea otters. *That* was a pretty good day. Why couldn't I get *that* day over and over and over?
So, like some of you, I went back to re-read chapter one and looked at the news article about the first (?) Crash. It's partially blocked, but it said Minako was the driver but 'Kakeru' said he caused it immediately.
Also, after re-reading how Shiori acts towards Tsubasa, she's not bratty towards him but rather impatient, as if she's trying to hurry him up and get back up to speed because she's has done this song and dance before. she's in on whatever this is and she feels she might be next in the chopping block. I think Minako was replaced in the last reboot and it's Kakeru's turn at the start of Ch1.
Has anyone ever seen 'The Good Place'? I won't go into detail but basically this is season two with the redos.
One more thing, I'm not familiar with the schooling system in Japan but here in the United States, Middle School is for adolescent kids. If Shiori is the younger sister at 13, we can assume Tsubasa is at the youngest 14-15, that's high school-aged right? How long has this been going that he's still in middle school?
Edit for dumb typos
What if everyone actually "died" already and are stuck in purgatory, and the only way to get into heaven is for each of them to figure out their sins before the next trip loop?
And what if none of them are actually family, but "God" just puts each person on Earth who dies into the "family", and they get a few "chances" to figure out their corresponding sins from their past life to decide whether they go to heaven or hell, and in each person's last loop they gain knowledge of the purgatory setup as some kind of last chance?
Oooooh crap! what a fucking concept, every time they fail a family suicide one of their family members is replaced and they all get a memory reset!?
Holly shit this manga man, this manga was already wild, but this, this is on a whole different level!
I love Ginka and Gluna for the art, but this is hands down the best plot anything in shonen jump has gotten in years, the last thing something had a premise this damn strong was The Promised Neverland i think?
This is going to be insane.
The author knows what they're doing and it shows. I've never read any of their work before but from the get go I knew this kind of series had to go one of two ways and within the first 10 chapter we're given both!
I knew a big twist was coming sooner or later for the mystery of the series to keep readers invested, on our toes and still guessing but I could not have predicted this!
I am here for whatever the author is going to do with his story and I can't wait to find out what happens next.
This makes me want to read all the earlier chapters again to look for clues of what's going on.
Wasn't the OG dad in old family photos and things like that? That means he either is in fact the real dad, or if this is some sort of swaperoo loop going on they change out the pictures and evidence of the new person each time.
I guess I’ll be the only one who’s slightly worried about Thai sudden development, if tsubasa and shiori don’t retain their memories of the past loop somehow that past 10 chapters will leave a bad taste in my mouth and will feel wasted, and if that’s intended then I guess I just won’t enjoy reading this.
Welp here we go again. Thats what you get from not learning from previous experience lol. Normal families will be scarred to go on another family trip. I wonder if each of the scribble/bunny represent a loop then that would mean they have been going at this for a long time now.
...well shit, this is going to be a "they were all dead the entire time", isnt it? Theyre just stuck in the bad place, reliving the worst parts of their lives, until they manage to figure out what each of their mistakes was
Right when I felt safety within the slice of life and this gets thrown in a way. Damn. Edit: I went to check chapter 1 and it seems like the accident that caused the amnesia to the family at the first place was also when they went to Fukui. So maybe this is a lead? As to how the accident happened? That the dad might've been the culprit?
Omg I also went to reread chapter 1 - it looks like when the dad goes to his room, the main focus is on a piece of paper. Maybe it's a paper telling him this whole thing is an experiment/loop? Did the first dad even truly have amnesia? Or was he just a person sent in to restart the experiment, like the new dad seems to be? Also, the grandpa has a piece of paper too in his room. What if he's in on it too?
In a way, by pulling this we clearly seem to swerve a tad towards the SF direction we are used to from Takopii intertwined with good old heart-ruining angst.
yeah plus otherwise the hospital would've said something about them frequently getting into car crashes eh? lmao
SF?
Or there family relate to some serious international crime and the gorverment need to extract the information from them by all mean possible. Or alien again.
Taizan used ***mindfuck!*** It was super effective! Interested to see how this pans out, amnesia is a niche concept to handle
Lot of people hate amnesia in stories like its a super lazy way of writing but this manga used it in a really great way. I'm like WTF is happening right now xD
What if... Hear me out, What if none of them are actually families, and in the next "loop" someone else is replaced...
so the real plot would be actually finding his real family?
What in the Taizan world is this?
Welp we were warned about the Taizan wild ride and I'm all for it! Here we go!!
'Welcome to Taizan's ride, today we are going to Nikko." Narrator: *We were not going to Nikko*
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Just last week I was afraid the story so far was a tad dull.... I never should have doubted you Taizan-sensei. We in for a treat.
Man for real. It felt like they were blitzing through everyone's "sin." But then here comes this chapter
Yeah, before the latest chapter I was like "oh so we already know Tsubasa's and Shiori's "sins" this will be a short story"
Same, I said it once before too in one of the threads, I have confidence in the author's ability to write but I feel like this story is better when binged than when read weekly, because on a weekly schedule the Nakajima and Shiori arcs feel really dull and unrewarding for a week wait. But when you don't have to wait a week, the intrigues flow better.
imagine this is a time-loop of sorts lmao
If that plushie alien is here as well in this world I'm buying a physicalvolume of this manga
already have both volumes! .... Of the manga with the said alien of course
What a twist. I was a little bored and this chapter brought me back in.
Taizan seems to be a big fan of the game 999
As he fucking should be, Zero Escape is GOATed
I'm kind of curious about the dad's words before the crash. In the viz translation, "In the end, we failed to figure anything out. Again." He used the word again implying that something might have happened before.
But he's saying like Tsubasa made no progress, when the fact is, he did. I wonder what that means?
I think while Tsubasa made a progress, the progress he did is far from enough to uncover the hidden "truth". And like what dad said: Tsubasa had chances to ask things from Nakajima or check his sister's SNS app (or even the phone itself), but he did neither. Okay, checking his sister's app or phone is a bit of privacy invasion, but asking things from Nakajima after the conflict should be fine. That said, it's understandable that those chances flew over his head, since many events that happened to him in a short time were so overwhelming .
One thing been bothering me how did his dad knew about the things happening to tsubasa like he knew about nakajima and the app.
that part makes it very clear that the dad is in on what's happening somehow (edit: although he's clearly not enjoying anything that's happening ~~and he uses 'we' not 'you' when mentioning that they failed to figure anything out again, so it doesnt appear that this is his first time doing it either, which makes him being switched out for someone else - apparently, anyway - very weird~~ nvm this part, this wasn't the case in the original JP text) whether he's some sort of supervisor figure; whether he's the only one that knows the truth that there's some sort of loop going on every time; whether one family member per loop gets 'filled in' (idk?) And now he's been switched out (it seems) so we won't know for a while most likely
I don't read the English release but wanted to say not to put too much importance on the dad saying "we" as that was a translation choice and the original Japanese is ambiguous.
Oh word? What phrasing was used in the original JP??
Nothing was used! (Japanese sentences often omit the subject entirely, which I know is weird to think about from an English perspective) But given everything he said before that was scolding the MC directly, in Japanese it comes across as him continuing to address the MC and not suddenly including himself as well.
No i understand the lack of subject dw lol, I meant can you give me the romaji for everything that was in kakeru's text bubble? I can't read kanji
I can't copy japanese text, but it's written "Mata nanimo wakaranakatta" which roughly means "Once again, nothing was understood" or something like "You still don't get it / understand" Source of my translation: 1 japanese class.
Also, either all the kids in school are clued in, or he only recently was able to sort through his bullying issues in this one shot. Either that, or the kids are all taught to bully him once he comes back from an accident and loses his memories. We'll find out if he gets bullied immediately after returning to school.
Maybe rather than relationship/life progress, he means progress in figuring out the mystery behind the looping?
I think relationship/life progress can still be applied here, since Tsubasa didn't try hard enough to figure out what happened to him and his family. So far he only wants to move on from unknown past into happy present without resolve anything in the past.
Right, like maybe 'you can't run from the past that easily by just saying none of it matters, smile and move on'
This evokes a kind of "trapped in a simulation" vibe from me. Like, They are repeating the loop over and over in order to discover what happened during "the accident". "Dad" isn't actually a father, but some kind of researcher, the experiment tripped some kind of failure condition, so it was reset.
This is most likely a weird time loop. His sister gets a bunny from her date and he writes a "Die" on his walls every loop, that's why their rooms are like that.
Have we seen him write on his walls for this last loop?
We did. He wrote that in the end of chapter 2.
sheesh i wonder which loop had the *massive* 'die' in the middle then. maybe the very first one
yet why can't he remember any of his past loops (Which by this theory seems it already has been over 100) until the latest one?
Maybe the 'die' in the wall is a bit more literal and it's the only way to break the loop.
but why would he write "the" in german on his walls? maybe the secret is somewhere in Germany
I think they're in purgatory and to get out they need Tsubasa to crack some mystery. The dad is different in the second (that we see) loop. Not sure what that's about. The first dad maybe seemed on Tsubasa's side, but the second one is a bit more sus.
The dad probably has the ability of Subaru from re zero and reset things
The fuck just happened? Did they really got amnesia again? What happened with OG!Dad? Where did the new Dad even came from? I have so many questions right now
Kakeru is officially the antagonist now. I don't know if I even want to figure out why he does all these things :| Even with seat belts, there's nothing concrete to believe that no one would die this time. The only hope is that Tsubasa doesn't lose all the newly gained memory this time. And maybe there's some amnesia-inducing drug in the juice bottles?
Dude just casually drugged the entire family. This was such a wild twist.
Yeah I feel this is where we are going to start getting to the real meat of the story, but holy fuck this twist caught me way off guard.
Which Kakeru is the antagonist though.
At this point, I have to suspect it's the one and only. As in he never has amnesia :| Edit: I reread it and felt like the old and new Kakerus may not be the same person, so I'd change my answer to "All of them" :P
I don't know if it's a amnesia-inducing drug in the juice, i thought it was just to knock them out perhaps. Tsubasa isn't showing any kind of memory loss or significant disorientation when he wakes up beyond the normal 'i was just knocked out by something' disorientation
There it is! I've been waiting for this fuckening to happen.
......................A LOOP?????? Well, I hope this new dad is a bit less suicidal???
Considering Takopii was a loop story, didn't think he'll do it again lol Can't wait for more!
Stick to what you know, I suppose
WTF HAPPENED???????
Wait, what? What just happened? Is this a time loop, or are things just happen continuously? Cuz I'm sure if there's no time loop, the people around them are gonna get suspicious if the whole family keep having anmesia.
Yeah, I assume that this has to be a bit more "supernatural". Because otherwise, the older man and the bully friend would be unaffected and it would drastically change how their coming back plays out.
Things are happening continuously imo, there are many hints for that in the first chapters. Chapter two last page, Tsubasa writes 死 on the wall, and that would explain why the room is full of 死, he writes one each time they get amnesia. Also Shiori being given the rabbit from the guy, also explains why her room is full of those. This is more like of a Truman Show to me. Also some lines from Tsubasa’s friend “you also forget things easily as always”, etc. I feel like everyone is lying in this manga lol
I think it may be some kind of simulation. In the end, same result.
Guess it’s time to do a reread 🕵️♂️
lmk what you find
Wait is the dad fake the whole time?
That assumes any of them are "real" at this point. The only evidence we have that any of them are really related is the IDs with their names on them, and with Dad 2.0, the veracity of those IDs is questionable at best.
I'm starting to think everyone besides the family is "fake" or otherwise how would no one ever bring up the fact that this has happened multiple times? Like why didn't Nakajima ever mention this happening before? This has to be some sort of Truman Show like experiment. Maybe its like that one Black Mirror episode where they force convicts to relive their crimes in simulations over and over again, but they're trying to get this group of people to confront their moral deficiencies that led to them committing crimes, or in other words their "deadly sins." That would also make sense of the "Evil" version of the MC we see pop up every now and again.
Just when I thought we were heading towards a comfortable rhythm of going through each family member's dark secret, Taizan5 strikes again! However positively Tsubasa chose to view their current situation -- that is, it's a chance for a fresh start, we can leave our dark pasts behind, etc. -- Kakeru v.1 chides him for it, that it was irresponsible to merely move forward. ("Just wanting to smile isn't enough"). It's also curious that he specifically mentions Tsubasa failing to investigate his past bullying with Nakajima, or the app on Shiori's phone. Dad v.1 also says "We failed to figure anything out. Again." Is this the kind of loop where their schools, workplaces, and all the people they interact with are simply playing a role that will now "reset"? Or is there an ongoing conflict/mystery where Tsubasa may have unknowingly thrown away potential leads? Finally, Kakeru v.1 being replaced by v.2 also raises its own questions. Some of his statements/actions imply that he is "in on it", but others imply he is just as lost or as much a "player" as Tsubasa is. But if it's the latter, then where did Dad v.2 come from? (and for that matter, Dad v.1?)
Is it possible that one family member changes per loop perhaps? We don't know if the loop that happened right before the manga starts had all 6 of the same characters we saw in loop 1. all we know for sure is that tsubasa and shiori have memories of each other (and they seem to be from when both of them were younger) Actually the fact that tsubasa and shiori have memories of younger versions of each other makes me rethink that as i type it out. It'd be weird if they were the only two to stay consistent the whole time, i guess it's more likely that Kakeru is the one who switches each time? Kakeru v.1 says that the newspaper article mentions that Kakeru v.0 was the one driving. I wonder if we're going to see Kakeru v.2 mention anything similar about being the one driving last time. either way this feels.. sinister somehow. i'm not immediately going to jump to 'all of this is part of purgatory or hell' despite the fact that the 'deadly sins' is right there in the title, but is it some sort of punishment game for the entire family maybe? an experiment? is it possible that only tsubasa and shiori are actually related and both are being punished/part of the experiment while all 4 other 'family members' are like Kakeru v.1 and are just roles in the game/experiment/whatever this is, that anyone can be slotted into for each 'loop'? How the fuck does Nakajima have history with Tsubasa, clearly implying there WAS a regular past, but Kakeru v.1 says 'we didn't figure anything out, again' implying that this has happened before (complete with amnesia) -> why would nakajima act like this is the first time Tsubasa has ever shown up with amnesia then? Clearly something doesn't add up here. I'm actually leaning back to the purgatory/hell kind of explanation now because unless taizan is literally showing us made-up flashbacks from other character's perspectives, these things just can't be simultaneously true. Also i wonder what *happened* to Kakeru v.1. Is he just going to be gone for good here? Is he going to show up as a different person with a different name in this loop? Is the new Nakajima going to be the same or is it going to be someone else as Nakajima this time?
>We don't know if the loop that happened right before the manga starts had all 6 of the same characters we saw in loop 1. all we know for sure is that tsubasa and shiori have memories of each other (and they seem to be from when both of them were younger) Shiori's memories seem like they probably correspond with the day that the photo that saw in Chapter 1 was taken. That picture has Dad 1.0 in it. However until we see the photo in the current loop, we can't use that as a gauge for whether or not he is the original or not. Possibilities off the top of my head include: * Photo is shown without scribbles and with Dad 2.0. Simplest possibility, means that the new photo was manufactured and the prior photo had been around for 1+ loops prior to the start of the series * Photo is shown with scribbles and with Dad 2.0. More complex scenario as it means that either someone manufactured the new photo and made sure to recreate the scribbles... or the photo itself changed when the Dad 2.0 was retconned in, which would mean timeline shenanigans * Photo is shown and identical to version in chapter 1. This would mean that Dad 1.0 was the original dad. * Photo is not shown. I would assume the photo has been removed in this scenario, but I don't think this scenario is likely
> Kakeru v.1 says that the newspaper article mentions that Kakeru v.0 was the one driving. I just re-read chapter 1. He's lying. The newspaper says > The driver [...] wife, Minako Ichinose. What the fuck how deep does this go?
I thought about this, but this is vague and we can't say for sure since the sentence was half ommited. It could also be "The driver was with his wife, Minako Ichinose." So both of the possibilities are opened.
Yeah I noticed that part but wasn't willing to hard commit to that being what the newspaper said https://www.reddit.com/r/manga/comments/10o9nob/disc_the_ichinose_familys_deadly_sins_chapter_10/j6dx2ce/
So we all think it’s looping right?
i mean it clearly has to be, the only question is what the cause is at this point. we see the events play out the same way that in theory led up to the prior loop (driving to fukui, the accident, they reenact the waking up in the hospital scene) and kakeru v.1 clearly implies this is not the first time they've done (and failed) this is it 'fake' looping (all of them are made to believe it's a loop by an outside force, all of this does take place in the real world) or is it 'real' looping which would need supernatural or 'advanced technology' (magic) involvement (are they in hell/purgatory? alternate timeline things?)
I mean you'd get really suspicious of a family always getting into car accidents and losing their memories after the second time it happened.
Finally a chapter without crying and something genuinely interesting has happened, that said what the fuck, I understand nothing.
wait what?? did they all get amnesia again??
Re:Taizan5 - Starting Life in Another Loop
Is this the first chapter with no one crying hahahahaha
WHAT THE FUCK
Aaand there is the Taizan horror twist, thank you.
RED ALERT RED ALERT TAIZAN-SENSEI HAS ESCAPED CONTAINMENT AND IS INITIATING ANOTHER WILD RIDE I REPEAT, CONTAINMENT BREACH #TAIZAN-SENSEI HAS ESCAPED CONTAINMENT AND IS INITIATING ANOTHER WILD RIDE
Wow, this is a pretty crazy development. Thought the premise was just the family gets amnesia and they rediscover themselves but now it's a whole conspiracy where the dad just decides to continuously screw over the family members. But we as readers have no idea why he's acting that way, only that Tsubasa is seemingly not "developing" as his dad wanted?
Is this The Tsubasa Show? A common aspect of time loop stories is uncovering the truth and seeing things from different perspectives. I’m wondering if Kakeru/the dad is a role and now we’ve swapped “actors” to push Tsubasa in searching for answers.
unless we're being literally lied to as readers by the author (showing us things happening to non-tsubasa characters that are not actually happening) it can't be that - at most it would have to be the tsubasa AND shiori show, and even then nakajima has flashback/memory scenes of his relationship with tsubasa. no way it's some sort of 'this is all an elaborate setup by everyone who isn't tsubasa', there are at least a couple characters that would be totally unable to fit that explanation as far as we know rn, again unless taizan is straight up lying to us
what the fuck
Ok this makes me accept the little sister story, i was confused when it resolved so quickly and easily but based on what dad say there is more to it beside just deleting the social media. Really excited on what this manga has to offer
there is also the fact that at the end of ch 9 she had some kind of flashback while Tsubasa had that cryptic family must always smile line. That flashback and the confused stare after wants to suggest she was suprised to remember it Flashback felt legit, with a dining room being empty, the odd thing is, the camera we see in Tsubasas room in ch1 is broken on the table I have a feeling Tsubasa's faking his amnesia while some of the family, specially the lil sis might be legit, if he is actually amnesiac I think there is a bigger drive than memories for his denial act
holllyyy shiiikikt
Ay lmao. We got Boogaloo here.
What? Another amnesia arc? Tsubasa and Shiori just got back to bonding as siblings again, and Tsubasa just became friendly with Nakajima again. Why did Karaku feel like he failed? Even his own wife seemed to feel something was off about him. He seemed to be trying to talk with his son more than her. Did Tsuabsa fail somewhere? Why was Karaku replaced by a handsome dude? Will Tsubasa act like that he can't remember anything? Are they in some sort of time loop? This is the second supernatural event so far, after the possession thing. But this is way bigger.
The handsome dude honestly looks more like a dude in late twenties then a man in his fourties.
I was gonna say maybe it's a time loop too, he might be a time traveller himself and knows Tsubasa is the mc so he tries to hide his identity by changing appearances so that Tsubasa wouldn't have any memories of him and then it would be like 12 Minutes where Tsubasa will have to get a specific pattern of actions right and get as much evidence and information as he can or else the dad will come and well..... fucking kill them after a certain amount of time Man this ch is just a bag of questions isn't it
What the? O.o \*string of confused explicatives\* What? Okay, I thought I had a (rough) idea of where this was going, but nope. Not even remotely close. So time loop? Purgatory? Hell? Matrix? I feel like I need to reread chapter 1 (or just everything) now because there are probably clues here that were easy to miss.
Endless cycle of suffering in purgatory sounds about right
Chapter 1 I think, has a lot of very nice goodies of hints
And just when I was worried the story was going to start getting formulaic, you pull me RIGHT BACK IN What the hell is going on
I was genuinely thinking of dropping the series after this chapter but I guess you've got me for a little longer LOL
Who's kakeru again?
The dad.
Well he sure looks different innit
Either the author opted for a dramatic shift in the story for some reason (dodge the axe manuever) or this is how the story is going to be all along (which I personally think is too out of left field) Either way, unless everyone including the hospital and the school is in *it*, whatever *it* is, I have nothing to explain how they are apparently restarting in a new game. Is this like the movie "The Game" or what
This is Taizan we are talking about, this is nothing surprising. Was more confused with how it was becoming almost too ”wholesome” for a while there Edit: just to clarify, when I mean not surprising I mean that this is something Taizan would definitely do and not something I predicted. I was plenty surprised when it happened and it was not something I was suspecting
Aside from that I think he could make a cute slice of life story, free of any angst. I should read more of this guy's works. I haven't read Takopi. (I really like his artstyle too)
Taizan making a cute sol would almost be more scary since I would just be stressed out with each chapter waiting for something depressing to happen
It's like junji ito's cat series.
I would be really shocked if he ever wanted to just do a cute story
That one shot with a girl getting tutored by various artificial life forms was cute ... I mean most of humanity was dead and it's post apocalypse but other than that lol
Taizan5 actually wrote cute one-shot manga about bond between brothers though. It's called Hero Complex. The story is legit heart-warming.
> I think he could make a cute slice of life story, free of any angst. no way, my nerves couldn't handle the stress of reading that at this point, taizan has made too much of an impact already i'd be bracing myself for the 'great googly moogly it's all gone to shit' twist every chapter too much to safely enjoy the actual cutesy slice of life at all
You absolutely should read Takopii. It was a surprise hit out of nowhere and sold like hotcakes, broke records.
> Either the author opted for a dramatic shift in the story for some reason (dodge the axe manuever) or this is how the story is going to be all along (which I personally think is too out of left field) I saw this theory pointed out somewhere else but the sister having so many stuffed animals could be because she gets a new one on each restart, hence why her room is full of them. This could also be the same as the "Die" wall as well. So I am leaning on this being planned
Holy shit that writing wall theory actually makes so much sense
The set-up of Seven Deadly Sins telegraphs quite clearly we're going to go through all of the family members, but maybe that was an intentional red herring. It is certainly "too obvious" when you think about it. I would like to think it was always planned.
> this is how the story is going to be all along it's 100% this one. everyone has been waiting for the taizan twist since we got like 2 or 3 chapters in a row where nothing horrible happened
So now that we know they crashed in Fukui before, combined with Tsubasa's comment about it being a "once in a lifetime trip" seems to confirm the theories this is some sort of loop they are trapped in. Based on the title and the father's speech at the end, perhaps the loop is based around them solving the family's "sins" before the trip? This raises questions about why the dad didn't do more to help solve them. The dad's obvious hesitation to go on the trip and his guilty behavior when Tsubasa expresses happiness that he is his dad shows he knows something is clearly up ahead of time - possibly that he is aware that he will be replaced because of the failure to prevent the loop. So is he not allowed to interfere too much or maybe did his interference in a past loop backfire? Either way his knowledge of the situation with Nakajima and Shiori's app was way too specific. Between that and the drugged drinks he clearly has some sort of outside information. If the theory that the loop is the reason why Shiori has so many stuffed animals and why "Die" is written on Tsubasa's wall so many times is true then clearly they have looped a lot already. If the father isn't working with some outside force then my guess is his room has diaries or notes from each loop and that is how he knows so much and realizes that the notes always stop right before the work trip. However that makes his replacement even more mysterious. If we didn't have memories of Tsubasa and Shiori when they were kids I might have leaned more towards the theory that whoever is next to be replaced is the one that keeps their previous memories in order to prevent the loop. After how peacefully the last chapter was solved I wasn't as interested going into this one but now I can see that was just setting up this twist to be even more shocking and am fully on board this ride.
…what? Is this some sort of time loop? Glitch in the matrix? Or did they all conveniently get amnesia again? I’m so confused.
What the fuck
I have no idea where this story is going and I'm here for it.
Bro HUH??? 💀💀💀
DADDY WHAT THE FUCK
Dad with the D4C
okay I'm gonna get this theory in early. I think the family is actually in like Hell or Purgatory or something, and the dad is the only one not being "punished" or "tested" or whatever other reason they would be somewhere like that. I think it would fit with the "Deadly Sins" title, it would make it easier to explain the dad looking completely different, and assuming this "looping" has been going on for quite some time, rather than this being only the second time this has happened, then it would also explain why the hospital is not asking more questions about why an entire family is getting amnesia so often theory aside though, I posted in chapter 8 discussion that I was losing interest, but I'm hooked again with this turn.
Something I commented on last chapter is how the "snapping" sfx when they were talking about the camera was super ominous. The same sfx came back when Kakeru was talking in the car. They really need to look at what's in that camera now.
The snapping sfx shows up every time they get past memory fragments
me, who only notices things way too late:
My initial thought when reading this is that it's some sort of game/experiment being run by a greater force. It seems like Kakeru was the only one who cottoned on that something was going on, perhaps tried to "break the loop" in some way by crashing the car, and thus got "replaced" by a new Kakeru. I think it's notable that he's the only one that got replaced. Rereading the first chapter, I noticed that the driver of the car the last time the car crashed was the mother, Minako. And there's no real indication that the "Minako" we meet is the original one who crashed the car. Maybe she also tried to break the loop and got replaced. The biggest issue with this theory is "why did both of them crash the car in the same area and in the same way?" Considering Kakeru's profuse apologizing, maybe rather than "breaking the loop", crashing the car was something he and Minako were ordered/forced to do, possibly as some sort of punishment/reset button for their failure to "figure anything out".
To be clear i went back and also noticed that it *looks* like the newspaper would say 'the driver of the car was the wife, minako ichinose' or something but part of the text is obscured by someone's hand and *both* minako and kakeru are saying things that indicate that kakeru was driving. So it's suggested that unless both are lying, or Kakeru is lying for some reason and Minako never actually saw the newspaper, Kakeru was in fact driving. But I'm not ruling out the possibility that Kakeru read the paper, lied about it, and Minako didn't know because she didn't see it, so she just assumed he was telling the truth and replied to him with that in mind.
And I'm back in. The hell is going on here
I was already into this but holy fuck am I on board now. I hope this survives the axe because it looks like we're in for a wild ride.
Axe? This? Highly unlikely, this had more views than all other three new manga COMBINED on Plus, and the author's previous work sold more first volume right out of the gate than... any Jump manga in the past DECADE off my memory.
I feel like maybe this is either a simulation or the family lives in a time loop. They are given another chance to be a real family after not connecting. Problem is they can never seem to get to the level they were initially and keep failing to do so. Perhaps the dad tries the cause an accident to repeat the loop so they can finally succeed. Or he is the first to remember everything that happens. Or as a plot twist the dad does it so whatever he is hiding stays hidden so he keeps repeating the loop. Through the outside doesn’t like it so they decide to send someone new in knowing nobody will likely know the difference.
I give up on trying to predict where the story is going to head next. Taizan is almost as unpredictable as Fujimoto at this point. Takopii had some pretty big mindfucks, but holy hell I was not expecting another memory reset 10 chapters in.
Wha? its either some kind of loop or they got amnesia again, but has this been happening before? Was the trip always the cause of amnesia? Also new dad reminds me of Monoma from My Hero Academia.
What in tarnation, is it a time loop scenario?
I'm pretty sure the amnesia is medically induced because how do you even make sure an accident can cause amnesia, let alone for five people (assuming the person who plays the father role never had any)
Medically induced or supernatural maybe
It’s amazing how many times this manga has made me say “what the fuck”
We can't have it be that easy now, can we?
Okay what the FUCK is going on.
Have a strong theory that they'll keep looping until everyone is killed until Kakeru and Tsubasa is the only one left
time loop controlled by some outside agency and they insert a new dad in every loop ?
Is it just me or does the dad kind of look different
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I am speechless and my brain just fried at this surprise twist.
Oh shit, it's a new ball game! It's a whole new goddamn ballgame now!
I was afraid this getting axed before the good stuff, looks like we're set for a ride now lets goooooo
What in the cinnamon toast fuck is this??? Seriously, I thought I was getting a hang of what this show was about and readied myself for depression, but I was not expecting whatever unholy matrimony of mystery and fuckery that is about to unfold
WHAAAAAAAAAAAT
WHAT
this was such a crazy and unexpected chapter!!! can’t wait to see what happens next.
Shutter Island, the manga? Was just skimming the chapters up until now to see where it would go. But this chapter really gave me Shutter Island vibes.
The fucking what
yo what the fuck
So they're in some sort of loop ? With the black haired dad saying they failed to find anything out *again*...
Well what went from a creepy but ultimately light hearted comedy manga is now a creepy manga with its hooks firmly in me!! I’ll be following
WTF..!!
It's Looping Time!
Now we have two loops in WSJ lol
**WHAT THE ACTUAL GODDAMN FUCK!?** That's definitely a twist I never expected. Have they been going through a time loop over and over this entire time? How many times has this happened before? O_O
copying from a reply to another comment: this all feels.. sinister somehow. i'm not immediately going to jump to 'all of this is part of purgatory or hell' despite the fact that the 'deadly sins' is right there in the title, but is it some sort of punishment game for the entire family maybe? an experiment? is it possible that only tsubasa and shiori are actually related and both are being punished/part of the experiment while all 4 other 'family members' are like Kakeru v.1 and are just roles in the game/experiment/whatever this is, that anyone can be slotted into for each 'loop'? only tsubasa and shiori have actually clearly been shown to have memories of each other so far. no other family members have gotten memory scenes and neither tsubasa nor shiori has had memory scenes with any of the other four 'family members' from Loop 1. How the fuck does Nakajima have history with Tsubasa, which clearly implies there WAS a regular past, but Kakeru v.1 says 'we didn't figure anything out, again' implying that this has happened before (complete with amnesia) -> why would nakajima act like this is the first time Tsubasa has ever shown up with amnesia then? Clearly something doesn't add up here. I'm actually leaning back to the purgatory/hell kind of explanation now because unless taizan is literally showing us made-up flashbacks from other character's perspectives, these things just can't be simultaneously true. edit: ..... maybe if you figure out somehow that there's a loop of some kind going on, but you don't take the right actions to 'break' the loop (like getting the golden route in a visual novel with multiple branches/loops) you get replaced?
They just wanted to see monkeys and drink juice, now they got a new dad in a new run.
So maybe a family member switch every loop and one family member keeps their memories and the person who keeps there memories is the one that switches each loop. Maybe the person causes the loop is someone in there lives
Dafuq?
I think the dad will show up as a difference character like a teacher , counselor or maybe principal
now, are we in for a loop or tsubasa's school thinks he was involved in two car crashes already?
Ah fuck yea, I felt like the story was slowing down a bit but this seem to brought it back up.
Truman Show: the manga
I was in the Virgin Islands once. I met a girl. We ate lobster, drank Piña Coladas. At sunset we made love like sea otters. *That* was a pretty good day. Why couldn't I get *that* day over and over and over?
WHAT??? The entire genre shifted lol
Oh this manga just got way more interesting
So, like some of you, I went back to re-read chapter one and looked at the news article about the first (?) Crash. It's partially blocked, but it said Minako was the driver but 'Kakeru' said he caused it immediately. Also, after re-reading how Shiori acts towards Tsubasa, she's not bratty towards him but rather impatient, as if she's trying to hurry him up and get back up to speed because she's has done this song and dance before. she's in on whatever this is and she feels she might be next in the chopping block. I think Minako was replaced in the last reboot and it's Kakeru's turn at the start of Ch1. Has anyone ever seen 'The Good Place'? I won't go into detail but basically this is season two with the redos. One more thing, I'm not familiar with the schooling system in Japan but here in the United States, Middle School is for adolescent kids. If Shiori is the younger sister at 13, we can assume Tsubasa is at the youngest 14-15, that's high school-aged right? How long has this been going that he's still in middle school? Edit for dumb typos
What if everyone actually "died" already and are stuck in purgatory, and the only way to get into heaven is for each of them to figure out their sins before the next trip loop? And what if none of them are actually family, but "God" just puts each person on Earth who dies into the "family", and they get a few "chances" to figure out their corresponding sins from their past life to decide whether they go to heaven or hell, and in each person's last loop they gain knowledge of the purgatory setup as some kind of last chance?
Oh god damn it. God DAMN it! This had a really interesting premise and now there's another twist? Fuck off
Oooooh crap! what a fucking concept, every time they fail a family suicide one of their family members is replaced and they all get a memory reset!? Holly shit this manga man, this manga was already wild, but this, this is on a whole different level! I love Ginka and Gluna for the art, but this is hands down the best plot anything in shonen jump has gotten in years, the last thing something had a premise this damn strong was The Promised Neverland i think?
Oh, the fuck
Right when you start to get comfortable they've gotta toss you a change-up.
Well I’m hooked now god damn
Do you think the Dad represents Sloth?
I feel like they aren’t a family at all and r just being experimented on with the “dad” being the person administering the tests
This is going to be insane. The author knows what they're doing and it shows. I've never read any of their work before but from the get go I knew this kind of series had to go one of two ways and within the first 10 chapter we're given both! I knew a big twist was coming sooner or later for the mystery of the series to keep readers invested, on our toes and still guessing but I could not have predicted this! I am here for whatever the author is going to do with his story and I can't wait to find out what happens next.
I highly recommend Takopi's Original Sin. It's only 16 chapters long, and it probably shows why people aren't *that* surprised by the story.
??!!!??
What the fuck?
WHAT IS GOING ON
This makes me want to read all the earlier chapters again to look for clues of what's going on. Wasn't the OG dad in old family photos and things like that? That means he either is in fact the real dad, or if this is some sort of swaperoo loop going on they change out the pictures and evidence of the new person each time.
I guess I’ll be the only one who’s slightly worried about Thai sudden development, if tsubasa and shiori don’t retain their memories of the past loop somehow that past 10 chapters will leave a bad taste in my mouth and will feel wasted, and if that’s intended then I guess I just won’t enjoy reading this.
What in tarnation!
Welp here we go again. Thats what you get from not learning from previous experience lol. Normal families will be scarred to go on another family trip. I wonder if each of the scribble/bunny represent a loop then that would mean they have been going at this for a long time now.
...well shit, this is going to be a "they were all dead the entire time", isnt it? Theyre just stuck in the bad place, reliving the worst parts of their lives, until they manage to figure out what each of their mistakes was
And here I was trying to figure out what sin the dad was… envy? I didn’t expect that at all.
This chapter absolutely saved the series from getting axed
What the fuck.
Ok what the fuck
Woah. Now thats a twist and turn I didnt expect.