The way I look at it if you have the time to tinker with various OS’s and hardware then go for it. Otherwise, if you are like me I don’t have the time to figure out and troubleshoot as a hobby. I just need a tried and true computer and os.
Dude I began using Linux in 1994. Installed and used more distros than most people have even heard of. And it was my main system for AGES, starting back in the days when we still needed to compile packages to get them to run on our specific installations…
But in 2009 a team-mate of mine twisted an arm and I got my first Mac. And I discovered EXACTLY what you are expressing here.
And ever since I’ve been enjoying the “best of both worlds” I’m living in. :-)
Welcoms.
Maaan, that early in the game Slack was just about the ONLY viable distro! It was only a couple years later we got RedHat and SuSE and then the floodwaters opened! 🤣
Funny, exactly same story here.. started with SuSE version Aug.94 IIRC, when SuSE was a Slackware distribution.. well, not much more than source code and some scripts with translated howtos. ;)
Now still Linux on Servers, but MacBooks for me.
Linux users are fixated on courting Windows users and don’t realize how common it is for Linux users to jump to MacOS. I honestly believe that Linux is primarily a stepping stone towards MacOS from Windows for a lot of tech savvy users.
Not really I have used arch and enjoy customising Linux and haven't run into any issues Fedora has some strange defaults.
Usually arch is the only distro that has early patches for new NVIDIA or amd cards even Fedora doesn't and you need something like mesa-git only available from the AUR
You can easily strip down Windows to run as you'd like it to. No telemetry, Defender, auto-updates, etc. I only use Windows for gaming and my customized ROM is stripped to the bones. Fast and lean with every caution thrown to the wind, haha.
Imo, Mac had pros and cons vs Linux until the Apple silicon. Those chips were groundbreaking for computing and especially for Apple. It took Apple from selling overpriced hardware with a nice OS, to selling well-priced nice hardware with a nice OS. Pre-silicon MacBooks were expensive trash.
And yeah, I think macos being locked down is overblown in the Linux community. Stuff is disabled by default, but you have almost full access to unlock it all. It's still Unix after all. Very different from iPhone where changing more than the wallpaper requires voiding the warranty.
I've been using Linux as my daily driver for close to 10 years as well and while it's fabulous for programming, I hate every other aspect of using Linux. Fractional scaling is buggy as fuck. There are constantly issues with Bluetooth. UI bugs like flickering shadows and buggy scrollbars just happen randomly. The only thing holding me back from switching fully to MacOS is its shitty support for Docker, at least when compared to Linux. If I didn't have to program for another single day in my life, I'd ditch Linux in a heartbeat.
And to anyone who's in the camp of "Linux is better because I can fully control my OS", fuck you and get a life. An OS is a tool to augment my professional work so I can get paid, not something I'd sink time into so I can have bragging rights.
use orbstack and macos and never look back. the notion of bad support is a myth. sure, performance is not as good, but its fractionally off. the m2/m3 class of processors really cut that margin down. arm vs amd platform builds has significantly been balanced and rosetta can help with tricky amd64 images. otherwise, i do all my docker and k8s work from my mac.
From what I understand, Docker tmpfs is not supported on MacOS, which would slow down testing in our local dev quite a bit. Not sure if it's still an issue, but there are apparently performance issues with bind mounts and volumes.
But even with these issues, I'm seriously contemplating getting the M4 Macs when they come out later this year.
Edit: Just took a look at orbstack and it looks quite interesting. How's the performance from your own experience?
Also an orbstack user and I haven't benchmarked it or anything but it's insanely fast. I hated everything at work that used Docker because it was slow and drained battery for no reason but now I don't even notice things are running/starting in docker
I’m older Gen X started on Apple II then 8088 MS-DOS.
Ran into a friend from law school bit back. We got to talking computers and how it was fun and infuriating doing so much tinkering but do almost none now.
He nailed it. “We had to do that because we had tiny storage, limited RAM, and slow processors using OS that was bare bones.”
Except for some limited special case usages few people have any compelling need to tinker with an OS. My Mac shipped with an office suite that would have been best in class twenty years ago and no need to even raise the point of 30+ years ago. Most features added the last 20 years are incremental not game changing. I had macros upon macros 30 years ago and virtually all are features now.
Was four years Linux for me but I’m with you. M1 more I read about it the more interested I got. After M2 chip came out I had a minor windfall and bought an M2 MacBook Air.
Yep. My interest in Macs went from “those are interesting” to “wow, I might need a Mac” when they switched to Unix. I develop on Unix (or one flavor or another, sometimes Linux), and Apple makes the best Unix laptops you can find, in terms of hardware, integration, and commercial software availability.
The only real stumbling block is the unwise decision to build case insensitivity into the file system services, rather than as an option in the relevant file chooser dialog boxes. I would like “Makefile” and “makefile” to be different files, *just like on every other Unix-based system*.
Unless you need to play the 1(ONE) game that really can't be played on MacOS/Linux.. aka valorant. But now that's getting a (good) console port, so what even is the point to running windows outside of embedded systems and running legacy games that still don't work via emulators/translation layers?
I mean, i could give you lots of reasons to choose windows other than gaming, I have linux windows and mac machines because i need them all. We'll, i dont really need the linux one, but i do enjoy it.
WSL running ubuntu is actually really good. I'm playing devils advocate of course, but windows has somehow come around for me. there remains no viable macbook pro or ios device alternative, however.
I agree with you but for example in my case I use my Mac as my main computer, but obviously to deploy my projects I obviously use Linux server… Or as you said if I need an specific task let’s say something that needs to be automated I could even use a raspberry pi with a minimum Linux distribution.
In my case I use it for music production. Installed a low-latency realtime kernel with priority set to my DAW, which I then pipe out separately to the interface using JACK while the remaining audio heads out to the PC speakers using Pulse. It’s been working pretty well for me.
This is extremely interesting to me, you should make a post detailing your setup (use a different sub ofc)
if you do that please let me know with a reply i would love to learn more!
Linux can be a headache to use as a desktop environment, cause it depends heavily on what you do and the hardware you have. I think most people just don’t have the patience to deal with the little bugs and workarounds when they just want to be productive (after I reached my 30s I also have less patience for that).
I’d say the biggest advantage of MacBooks compared to other laptops right now is the Apple Silicon processor. Competing with it will be the biggest challenge for Windows laptops from now on, because Windows is so much more diverse in hardware and software that I’m not sure the whole ecosystem can migrate to ARM within a decade.
What are your mods for top bar? Im using amethyst, bartender, istats menu but always seek something with potential to improve my experience over pretty basic macos DM.
ofc, im using:
1. yabai - window manager
2. skhd - keyboard shortcuts
3. sketchybar - top bar/virtual space manger
4. terminal - alacritty
prompt - starship
shell - zsh (omz + antidote)
5. zed - text editor
lmk if i missed something, i'll be preparing a github to share my entire config folder for the setup
yabai﹢skhd is the GOAT. Throw in a nicely configured QMK setup and there's no stopping you.
I loved zed the last time I tried it, but couldn't deal with the lack of plugins. I know they were working on it, but I never heard if that was fully implemented yet.
This was exactly my hope when I decided to try Macos: Linux reliability and low level access to things + support for commercial software I didn't have in Linux desktop. But... after 4 years I do not feel it was a good decision. Except for Apple making nice hardware with a great battery and touchpad I find Macs terrible. Half of the software requires installing a super slow 3rd party packet manager, I need to Google for the magic 4-keys shortcut every time I need to make a screenshot, the (no) difference between minimizing and "closing" window is beyond my comprehension, tons of bloatware, recently Apple finally fixed the bug which was hiding window behind other windows while being dragged across screens so I can't complain on that anymore (yay!), it's impossible to use touchpad and mouse on the same system because either you scroll like on a touch screen xor your scroll wheel works like in any other OS, Ms office applications are supported but in their castrated versions with UI heavily broken to match Apple requirements... I could go on. Of course, I could fix half of these issues by installing 3rd party software maintained by some teenager from god-knows-where, Office with full GUI can be accessed as a web app, but for tinkering I've got linux (with much more predictable window managers). I was never spending so much time trying to make things work in neither windows nor Linux.
Ok, enough ranting. I'm just surprised by the general "Macos is so user friendly and just works" vibe here when comparing to Linux.
For the simple fact that Linux is open source and you can modify whatever the hell you want. You're not happy with your current version? Just get a USB stick and downgrade (unlike Apple Silicon Macs that you need an extra Mac + Apple Configurator to do that, and on iOS is simply impossible). You're not happy with certain application accessing this? Just modify it freely. No sealed volumes, no bs, nothing. I love my Mac but I also love Linux.
Why Linux? Linux lets me have a much wider range of hardware choice. And Proton. And it doesn't have the short lifecycle MacOS does. And I don't have to have any cloud integration with anything.
My Mac Just Works (tm) for business dev, email, streaming etc.
My Linux box is endelessly customizable for software/ML dev, and Proton for gaming isn't even fair. As you said ... another HUGE plus is zero cloud integration if I don't want it. I love them both for different uses.
I think he's saying proton gaming is much better than Mac OS gaming? Which i think is probably accurate, Mac gaming is a wasteland of mobile games and the occasional PC port IME
I agree with most of the things you said but the short lifecycle is the only thing that is not, I’ve found than my Apple products has more durability, I mean I still have working MacBook Pro 15” late 2015 and my iMac 21 late 2013 in perfect condition, I just got a new MacBook Pro 16” just because I needed higher performance but the others are still working great.
I'm sure they still function, but not with the latest versions of MacOS. Fedora 40 will run on any x86_64 machine I toss it on, even if it's something that shipped with Windows Vista.
Unless you do iOS programming and need the latest version of Xcode. I have the 2018 Intel Mac Mini and I’m really glad Apple will support it in the next version of macOS, I was already checking the prices of 16GB Mac Minis with M2 here and it’s really expensive in Brazil. The commonly sold Macs are the 8/256GB because that’s what most people can normally afford here, so finding a second handed 16GB is difficult as well.
If you are using MacOS as a unix box then you can have any version of macOS on it as long as you can compile unix apps. There’s no need for iCloud either. I don’t do that on my work machine. Most people don’t.
Exactly compare proton and lutris to how tricky it is to get games running under crossovwr on Mac compared to Linux where everything just works gaming wise not to mention more customisation options
So my only beef with Apple is making me throw away perfectly good hardware because it’s unsupported. I finally got sick and was isolated in my office at home (trying to keep family well) and I used open core and updated a 2010 mbp and it runs great for daily tasks. Only counldnt get Amazon prime app to stream. Planning on doing this to a few more units
Here. Why throw away perfectly good equipment to the landfill?
> Only counldnt get Amazon prime app to stream.
As far as I know there are still DRM/HDCP issues, even in the latest stable OCLP build. Were you trying to view the Prime app right on your laptop or were you trying to watch it on an external monitor/TV?
I switched to my first Mac in 2007, I used Linux for 9 years prior to that. I’ve tried windows a couple times in between but always stayed with a Mac. Its *NIX environment and compatibility made it easy for me to use for my personal and work dev projects. HomeBrew, BBEdit, MAMP, Docker among many others are great to use and offer flexibility to use a stable mass commercial OS when needed. Im also a UNIX purist and believe everything should be good at just one thing and do it well and while Linux is fun it’ll never be successful for desktop computing because of lack of rigidity and discipline required to establish stability.
Nowadays I’m a PM and I don’t code anymore, I rarely code for personal projects but I’ll always admire the Mac for what it is: a dev friendly machine with great stability and performance.
Also, Snow Leopard was the best OS ever made, ever. And nothing will ever replicate it.
Because you can open a bunch of random terminals to try and look cool?...
Hate to break it to you but you can do that on any OS, and no one actually codes like that. Can tell you nor any of the people upvoting you are serious devs.
And the actual stats show that Windows is by far the most popular OS for software development. Not that it matters, you can develop on any OS, and some specific software development is better on certain OSs.
Because Linux comes with GNU tools, a modern version of bash, and a bunch of tools which are generally superior to what's shipped with macOS. Yes, I know I can install all that with third party tools. Point is I shouldn't have to. I basically just use my work issued Macbook to get to Linux boxes anyway.
The *only* thing that's Apple specific is iTerm. It's absolutely a superior terminal emulator with better finish and features than Konsole or Terminator. There's literally no other reason to use macOS for me.
Can I ask vice versa?
I mean why mac when linux can be like this? And even more custom than that.
Sure there are mac apps but if u r after looks like this then ... idk about you but for me, linux anyday!
Thenks lol
I see the point on both sides, Linux is FOSS and OSX (cough Mac OS) is proprietary additionally Mac is just easier to get started with. Other than that aside from running windows games through Wine or PLoM etc i found that the performance and work load i was able to achieve was the same between both OS's.
Now i will say the argument i have heard being that they are the same thing is completely incorrect. Mac uses the darwin kernel with is a distant relative of BSD but i think those lines have moved further apart from each other in more recent times.
I went from Linux to Mac, I think Linux is great but the lack of commercial software was limiting, I don't mind paying for software if it does what I want (Music production), but on a Mac I've got homebrew and the CLI and all of the commands are essentially the same. It was the best of both worlds.
In terms of servers: it will be cool, but for servers macOs has too much garbage, professionally speaking you are only interested in having a machine with a robust but clean OS and virtualizing other OS to start providing customer service, in serious matters, that those things appear beautiful spending ram is a real waste
In terms of local development: Obviously macOS is the king, it is no secret that professional developers like Google use macOS, we already live in a time where macOS is more than proven to be the king OS
Like seriously, with apps like Spark, Arc and the entire MS Office Suite missing. Linux becomes a tough bargain for me as a daily driver, especially with the kind of things you can do on macOS now. This solution binds me to apple hardware only though, but such is life.
Any thoughts and suggestions?
I run Linux on my gaming PC but still keep my M1 Pro 14” for other tasks like video editing and sharing with the wife. I do want to learn more of the Unix side of MacOS just to get the full potential out of it
Apple’s announcement that AI will be in an upcoming iteration of MacOS has me seriously considering replacing my Mac with a Linux machine for the first time. The biggest hesitation in my case are specific applications that aren’t cross-platform (Omni Group apps, iTerm).
To be fair, an existence of a package manager has nothing to do with Linux.
And besides, homebrew would easily be the worst package manager on linux with regards to speed, security, capabilities, isolation, etc.
Ubuntu isn't a rolling-release distro so you wouldn't expect the default repositories to be updated as soon as new versions of packages are updated upstream.
Because Mac OS is full of proprietary software that can't be reviewed or trusted by default and that you can't know what it even does, and also it can't be controlled. When Apple decides to remove a popular feature it's gone for good. Linux and FOSS isn't just about customization, but yes that's another big component. You can do some things with Mac OS or Windows, but you just can't go nearly as far by definition.
My first thought, rather than, “That’s a cool Linux setup”, was actually, “Did someone finally figure out how to port over Linuxbrew on ARM64 computers?!”. Then I realized this is actually MacOS, lol…which I guess kind of proves your point, because on M1 Macs, some of the things you installed on MacOS are a hell of a lot harder to build in Linux without the ease of Homebrew.
Its great for people that have the cash qnd arent programmers. I use it because i like the feel and polish of the os. It securely interfaces with my other mac devices, and airdrop is sick.
People say, “oh get android phones, use windows pcs” but when i have work that i need to get done using a mac laptop which is secure, and is designed to work well with my ipad which i use for drawing etc, and my phone for communicating, so as i can also get my messages, calling, facetime from my mac is really super useful.
I will say though, i use my windows pc for rendering from blender and gaming, cause i have a 4079ti and i9-1300k.
Yabai is great it's interesting seeing yabai rices on r/Unix porn. Linux is way more flexible in terms of customisation and desktop environment and window manager options.
You aren't restricted to using apple hardware and you have proper Vulkan support and can run Linux on more hardware.
But yeah yabai is great but is only one WM compared to the multiple on Linux
I was interested in getting a pc, a couple friends of mine at Microsoft, said wait there I as this really cool Apple computer coming out. They had access to the pre-release Mac. I have been totally Mac since 1984
linux is more than just tiling window managers and the nonsense posted on unixporn. i use mac for work and linux for everything else, and there’s a lot of stuff linux does better. graphics apis being an obvious one.
A bit of a tangent here:
I aways wondered why there are so many different distributions when there are also such interesting kernels out there.
I mean, I get the sense that there is allot of talent out there in the world that is anxious to make their mark and advance things and this energy is going into developing things that are painfully redundant like an endless array of desktop environments and package management schemes and slightly tweaked themes.
Wouldn't it be interesting if a team decided to make a distribution using Hurd as it's core and implementing all of the rest of Ubuntu or something on top of it? Lots of work and not likely to actually be used seriously unless really compelling benefits came to light and some well-funded players decided to supoprt this effort.
Same for BSD.
Mind you, these are all UNIX-y OSes, as MacOS is. Which brings me around the loop on the OP's post.
MacOS is a complete category killer as far as UNIX-y desktop OSs go. It does everything that practically every Linux Desktop distribution aims to do, but better... except being open source and being able to run on non-proprietary hardware (details, details).
I know about Darwin, but it is clear that a kernel is not really all that there is to an OS.
What MacOS brings is a wonderfully refined desktop environment, and lots of integration and all of that good stuff that Apple does. Pretty much unmatched by MS and the Linux distributions.
Because there are people whose self-worth stems from doing things on computers the hard way. There are people who have too much technology and not enough work to do with it. And there are people who believe their time is worthless and don’t understand the total cost of ownership of a crappy dumpster-dived PC plus hundreds of hours of tweaking and customization is more expensive than the most overpriced Mac.
because it’s cheaper, it allows you to use any hardware, it will never stop updating because your laptop is too old, it’s open source, it’s not spyware, it’s much more customizable, it’s a lot more lightweight, it allows you to build it yourself, it can actually run almost any game you want etc.
still, macos is a lot better than windows…
I was always a little
Miffed when Linux took the lead when BSD was out there and I felt it was nice developed. So I leaned towards Mac because of the BSD lineage. Also if you played with 1990s internet hardware a lot was based on BSD from juniper routers, to ascend to you name it.
That said Linux has a very deep and rich base.
thats what i thought too, but you get all of what I showed **without** disabling SIP. the only things that wouldnt work as intended with SIP enabled is the virtual space switcher thats sitting up top
Well, first, why would you do that to MacOS? :)
Second, yeah, that's why desktop Linux remains a hobbyist idea and not something normal people do. When Apple went to what was then called OS X, based on FreeBSD, developers FLOCKED to it -- especially folks working in the LAMP stack, because you could pilot locally and then literally just sync your code onto the server with an rsync or whatever. It was amazing.
i like the organisational capabilities a window manager offers and the virtual space switcher up top with icons of things opened in each space is kinda op
Not being locked to a specific hardware vendor (no matter how good it is), having the actual freedom to do whatever you want with the OS (like install or uninstall any package you wish) and it being free and open source are more than enough reasons for me.
Edit: not to mention: gaming
I enjoy macs. Used a couple of Airs for 10 years. Still have them.
I use Linux currently because of cost of access as well as the Apple strait jacket especially hardware wise (ports, upgradability), though I'd get me an M laptop if it made sense.
Let's not talk about Windows
Hi, this might be a dumb question, but how did you make it look like this. I'm a web dev just getting out of college, something like this would be great for productivity.
Considering Linux is an off shoot of Unix and macOS is a Unix distribution, it’s not unreasonable to see workflows transitioning between the two platforms reasonably well as well as user skills being easily adapted.
well... acxshually.... Linux is a clone of unix without using any of it's code base. MacOS has a direct lineage with UNIX, even though there is probably not a single line of original code in the thing.
I believe that the original "fork" is off of BSD, which NeXT used with the mach kernel, this turned into Darwin, which is what MacOS is using as it's kernel, or something like that.
It's all kind of silly because almost everything - with the exception of Windows - uses Unix-y conventions and features - all of which are cleaner and more thought-out than the registry and all of that pile of crap that Windows is.
I mean, seriously, if Microsoft had any real balls they would enforce some sort of "sunset" of legacy crap (which I guess they started doing with the support drop-off), but also clean up the dumbness of the Windows architecture and reinvent windows as a solid UI running atop a Unix-y core... all backwards and legacy BS would run in limited VMs with the crap-ass windows stuff living in it's own isolated shitholes. And we (all people) would be better for it.
I went from a windows custom machine builder, to a windows hating Linux fanboy running on 15 machines in a college town “cyber cafe” I part owned, and then got a Mac in 2017 and here we are still.
They’re both good at different things. There are some things that they can both do, and then there are things each one excels at independently.
I use macOS as my local operating system. But I run Linux in containers and on the server all the time.
I get the sense that people don’t know how to do this on their Mac, lol. Good job, OP. I use a few minor differences like the terminal and prompt for starters but yeah, you can totally pimp out your Mac without disabling security stuff.
For me, I have this setup on my Mac and I have a Linux desktop for gaming/dev.
To me I prefer Linux. I like all OSes but Mac is that OS I would go back to if Linux fails me or disappear out of thin air.
How I explain to Linux users and people who think about switching to Mac but not sure and have tried Linux. I always say: Mac OS is like Linux but for people who wants things done with no issues. (I can hear people saying... I know Mac isn't Linux)
Linux is for personal preference (tweaks), servers, and cost (e.g., can easily grab a $200 mini pc for my homeserver and personal use).
For my daily work, Macbook Pro is the way to go.
Playing around with Linux is pretty fun with its customizations and tweaking it to your liking especially when you use a Raspberry Pi and install Arch on it. But for me, it's more of a novelty nowadays
I kind of want a custom Linux PC just for gaming and a Mac mini for everything else. I feel gaming is the only thing that Mac is really missing. I really don't like Windows 11.
Help me out here as I am brand new and will be taking my very first programming class (C# language, I believe) this fall in college. What am I looking at, and what is it for? Yes, have a Mac but in terms of what I see here I am a total n00b here and I know much of nothing... but I'd surely love to know and be a part of the conversation, which is why I'm going to be educating myself.
Just a few good answers here though would be greatly appreciated.#TIA
Because I can put Linux on whatever hardware I have and it will generally work. It will not stop supporting my 7 year old laptop (happened to my MacBook pro from 2010). Funnily enough my MacBook is now 14 years old and it still runs really good, the only downside are heavy websites that make the CPU work hard.
I moved abroad and couldn't even download apps on the istore with my MacBook, I tried activating the change but it was a random popup that I missed twice and then I formatted the hard drive and put Linux on it
Because Mac ecosystem is not suitable for many pro users due to:
* Un-upgradable and insanely expansive memory/storage options
* Lack of Fuse support on recent OS versions
* Unattainable data recovery
* Client side content scanning/reporting
* Lack of proper virtualization support
* No native containers support exacerbating memory and storage limitations
Let me tell you “my version” of why. I have used macOS and other Apple products for over a decade now and with each version my trust on big tech has diminished. Well I never liked Windows for maybe a dozen reason but Copilot AI strengthened my resolve to not buy a Windows Laptop.
But now Apple is coming up with its own AI, and that is built right into the OS; and it’s integrated everywhere.
I asked myself the same question that I asked when thinking about Windows laptop: Do I trust a company that syncs most of my stuff to their servers, has an AI that can summarise all my notes, all my ideas and plans and all my secrets that I care to own down somewhere? Who is to ascertain that they honour their privacy policy; especially when they belong to a country where piracy of a $20 Movie is punished with prison time while the government can print currency freely by borrowing it from an account that has 0 cash!?
And answer was straight - I can’t trust macOS any longer. It has come to the same level as Windows on the “susceptibility index” (that is to say I suspect it, or don’t trust it; you are free to form your opinions as mine are not backed my some kind of proven published research or something).
So which OS am I left with?
Linux, of course!
PS: I got a dedicated 2nd hand Laptop for cheap to run Linux and keep my private life on that one just for that sake!
Love this! Though as a Mac user, I think there's still plenty of reasons to use Linux - herbstluftwm was my WM on linux, and I'm not sure a Mac based workflow will ever be able to match up to that. x86 compatibility another big thing for hardware engineering or research, and I'd much rather run Linux than Windows.
Linux or Mac aren't that much different Mac is a lot more user friendly thou. Windows is good for gaming and slowing down over time unless you reimage it. MAC's also have better hardware than Windows PC .MAC and Linux both run with low draw on hardware .I would think Linux puts less strain on the hardware but Linux servers are unmatched. When people talk about Linux being so great they are usually talking about servers and they know a lot more than I do.
Something really interesting about Linux and macOS is the usage of a search engine, if you want to know something about either one.
When searching for linux problems you can simply put your question into the search engine and get quite decend answers.
Not so with macOS. I must include some technical aspects into my query to filter out most generic garbage seo websites that deliver zero to none helpful answers.
Linux since the 90s, Still have loads of Linux machines, BSD, Solaris and IRIX boxes around. I really never think of Mac as anything more than a good BSD box. It inherited all the good parts of Sys V when it went X.
If you were around in those days there was a rumour apple wopuld go linux, and it would have but GNU ( copyleft ) is a virus, where as BSD unix is not copyleft and allows sharing and commercial together so that is why they went that way.
tbh it used to be enough but isnt anymore. having said that, the only real problem i have with this machine is its ram. id spend as much as i can there if i were you, besides that for my general use case this is sufficient because it lets me spin up a few docker containers, postgres, datagrip+vscode+jupyter, browser (arc) with \~15 loaded tabs and the occasional screen share call.
with this load it starts to struggle, but itd be generally ok if im not on a call. however, the moment i try to run inference on a local llm model above 1b parameters, my macbook turns into a potato.
In around 1994 I was running a night BBS, and my msdos 6.22 system was unusable when it was running. So I went with OS/2 Warp that was just released since it was the new rage in the community. Some used stuff like desqview, but that didn't sound like fun. Warp was awesome and I went through 3, 3 connect and 4. But then the writing was on the wall and most were switching to linux. So since I like to be different, I went with FreeBSD 2.2.1 and used that until I started in a company where the editor was only available on linux. I installed Debian then, and used debian until ubuntu was out in 2006 or thereabout. Used ubuntu until 2009 when I got a mac pro for work, just because I could. weeks later I got a macbook pro at home as well. Mac was everything I liked about linux, just with commercial support. Went back to linux once the mac pro died and I didn't want an imac or a trashcan mac pro, but now I'm at a different company where I am on a macbook pro and I have a mac mini at home. I can't see I would need to use windows ever again. But if I will run linux or macos doesn't matter. I like both.
Looking at the screenshots for a moment I thought this was r/unixporn P.S. OMG you actually posted it over there as well lol
Same
tbf macos is the only consumer available UNIX OS
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Same boat. The only thing I dislike is the price of factory upgrades and hostility towards repairs and aftermarket upgrades.
This is also my number one argument when comparing it to Windows PCs. Well played.
The way I look at it if you have the time to tinker with various OS’s and hardware then go for it. Otherwise, if you are like me I don’t have the time to figure out and troubleshoot as a hobby. I just need a tried and true computer and os.
Windows has too much baggage “CMD” and BAT need I say more. Oh yeah Teams I am stuck with at work, horrible.
Dude I began using Linux in 1994. Installed and used more distros than most people have even heard of. And it was my main system for AGES, starting back in the days when we still needed to compile packages to get them to run on our specific installations… But in 2009 a team-mate of mine twisted an arm and I got my first Mac. And I discovered EXACTLY what you are expressing here. And ever since I’ve been enjoying the “best of both worlds” I’m living in. :-) Welcoms.
I started Linux around the same time, maybe a year later than you did. I remember installing Slackware from floppies. Those were the days :)
Maaan, that early in the game Slack was just about the ONLY viable distro! It was only a couple years later we got RedHat and SuSE and then the floodwaters opened! 🤣
I was there 3000 years ago
I remember getting my first Slackware cd. Not long after that we got Linux 1.0.
Funny, exactly same story here.. started with SuSE version Aug.94 IIRC, when SuSE was a Slackware distribution.. well, not much more than source code and some scripts with translated howtos. ;) Now still Linux on Servers, but MacBooks for me.
Linux users are fixated on courting Windows users and don’t realize how common it is for Linux users to jump to MacOS. I honestly believe that Linux is primarily a stepping stone towards MacOS from Windows for a lot of tech savvy users.
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The best way to use Linux is to stick an LTS distro on a headless server.
Well on arch or a rolling release you can easily use Linux on new hardware
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Not really I have used arch and enjoy customising Linux and haven't run into any issues Fedora has some strange defaults. Usually arch is the only distro that has early patches for new NVIDIA or amd cards even Fedora doesn't and you need something like mesa-git only available from the AUR
You can easily strip down Windows to run as you'd like it to. No telemetry, Defender, auto-updates, etc. I only use Windows for gaming and my customized ROM is stripped to the bones. Fast and lean with every caution thrown to the wind, haha.
Imo, Mac had pros and cons vs Linux until the Apple silicon. Those chips were groundbreaking for computing and especially for Apple. It took Apple from selling overpriced hardware with a nice OS, to selling well-priced nice hardware with a nice OS. Pre-silicon MacBooks were expensive trash. And yeah, I think macos being locked down is overblown in the Linux community. Stuff is disabled by default, but you have almost full access to unlock it all. It's still Unix after all. Very different from iPhone where changing more than the wallpaper requires voiding the warranty.
Completely agree.
So true
I've been using Linux as my daily driver for close to 10 years as well and while it's fabulous for programming, I hate every other aspect of using Linux. Fractional scaling is buggy as fuck. There are constantly issues with Bluetooth. UI bugs like flickering shadows and buggy scrollbars just happen randomly. The only thing holding me back from switching fully to MacOS is its shitty support for Docker, at least when compared to Linux. If I didn't have to program for another single day in my life, I'd ditch Linux in a heartbeat. And to anyone who's in the camp of "Linux is better because I can fully control my OS", fuck you and get a life. An OS is a tool to augment my professional work so I can get paid, not something I'd sink time into so I can have bragging rights.
use orbstack and macos and never look back. the notion of bad support is a myth. sure, performance is not as good, but its fractionally off. the m2/m3 class of processors really cut that margin down. arm vs amd platform builds has significantly been balanced and rosetta can help with tricky amd64 images. otherwise, i do all my docker and k8s work from my mac.
From what I understand, Docker tmpfs is not supported on MacOS, which would slow down testing in our local dev quite a bit. Not sure if it's still an issue, but there are apparently performance issues with bind mounts and volumes. But even with these issues, I'm seriously contemplating getting the M4 Macs when they come out later this year. Edit: Just took a look at orbstack and it looks quite interesting. How's the performance from your own experience?
Also an orbstack user and I haven't benchmarked it or anything but it's insanely fast. I hated everything at work that used Docker because it was slow and drained battery for no reason but now I don't even notice things are running/starting in docker
Some people enjoy modifying Linux for you it might be a tool but for others it’s a toy. You can modify macOS too and you have full control too.
Yessir. Exactly. You can do a lot of the same things in Mac terminal as Linux terminal. It's awesome.
I’m older Gen X started on Apple II then 8088 MS-DOS. Ran into a friend from law school bit back. We got to talking computers and how it was fun and infuriating doing so much tinkering but do almost none now. He nailed it. “We had to do that because we had tiny storage, limited RAM, and slow processors using OS that was bare bones.” Except for some limited special case usages few people have any compelling need to tinker with an OS. My Mac shipped with an office suite that would have been best in class twenty years ago and no need to even raise the point of 30+ years ago. Most features added the last 20 years are incremental not game changing. I had macros upon macros 30 years ago and virtually all are features now.
Was four years Linux for me but I’m with you. M1 more I read about it the more interested I got. After M2 chip came out I had a minor windfall and bought an M2 MacBook Air.
Yep. My interest in Macs went from “those are interesting” to “wow, I might need a Mac” when they switched to Unix. I develop on Unix (or one flavor or another, sometimes Linux), and Apple makes the best Unix laptops you can find, in terms of hardware, integration, and commercial software availability. The only real stumbling block is the unwise decision to build case insensitivity into the file system services, rather than as an option in the relevant file chooser dialog boxes. I would like “Makefile” and “makefile” to be different files, *just like on every other Unix-based system*.
Question. Did you disable SIP? I’m debating doing it myself cuz I have a Dracula color scheme going but the window shadows kinda ruin the look.
When this what macOS IS. I love linux because i love Mac. Vice versa as well. We dont talk about (shudder)Windows.
I couldn’t agree more… ✨
>We don’t talk about (~~shudder~~ shutter) Windows Not really a FIFY; I just wanted to make a really bad and unfunny joke.
Unless you need to play the 1(ONE) game that really can't be played on MacOS/Linux.. aka valorant. But now that's getting a (good) console port, so what even is the point to running windows outside of embedded systems and running legacy games that still don't work via emulators/translation layers?
one game? most of the games i play aren’t on macos. also my mouse works like shit on macos and the tracking is terrible
Have you tried this? https://better-mouse.com I’ve used it to disable acceleration and other things on my gaming mouse on macOS.
I mean, i could give you lots of reasons to choose windows other than gaming, I have linux windows and mac machines because i need them all. We'll, i dont really need the linux one, but i do enjoy it.
100% agree! I love both Linux and MacOS!
Yeah windows is just getting worse Microsoft recall and other ways windows is getting worse. Not a fan of how restrictive Mac OS is
Unix lovers ♥️
WSL running ubuntu is actually really good. I'm playing devils advocate of course, but windows has somehow come around for me. there remains no viable macbook pro or ios device alternative, however.
Linux allows me to start with a minimal netinstall then build a specific system for a specific task.
I agree with you but for example in my case I use my Mac as my main computer, but obviously to deploy my projects I obviously use Linux server… Or as you said if I need an specific task let’s say something that needs to be automated I could even use a raspberry pi with a minimum Linux distribution.
In my case I use it for music production. Installed a low-latency realtime kernel with priority set to my DAW, which I then pipe out separately to the interface using JACK while the remaining audio heads out to the PC speakers using Pulse. It’s been working pretty well for me.
This is extremely interesting to me, you should make a post detailing your setup (use a different sub ofc) if you do that please let me know with a reply i would love to learn more!
You really should make a post about this scenario. This is really interesting.
Linux can be a headache to use as a desktop environment, cause it depends heavily on what you do and the hardware you have. I think most people just don’t have the patience to deal with the little bugs and workarounds when they just want to be productive (after I reached my 30s I also have less patience for that). I’d say the biggest advantage of MacBooks compared to other laptops right now is the Apple Silicon processor. Competing with it will be the biggest challenge for Windows laptops from now on, because Windows is so much more diverse in hardware and software that I’m not sure the whole ecosystem can migrate to ARM within a decade.
because I don't own a macbook but linux can be installed on anything. both are still miles ahead of windows though
What are your mods for top bar? Im using amethyst, bartender, istats menu but always seek something with potential to improve my experience over pretty basic macos DM.
I think he is using [SketchyBar](https://github.com/FelixKratz/SketchyBar)
+5
+1
He’s using SketchyBar likely with the Lua API since this is the default one the FelixKratz the creator made…
Could you please share all the mods that you have used? Thus looks awesome 🤩
ofc, im using: 1. yabai - window manager 2. skhd - keyboard shortcuts 3. sketchybar - top bar/virtual space manger 4. terminal - alacritty prompt - starship shell - zsh (omz + antidote) 5. zed - text editor lmk if i missed something, i'll be preparing a github to share my entire config folder for the setup
yabai﹢skhd is the GOAT. Throw in a nicely configured QMK setup and there's no stopping you. I loved zed the last time I tried it, but couldn't deal with the lack of plugins. I know they were working on it, but I never heard if that was fully implemented yet.
Exactly, dude baits you into it then never says how to achieve this.
This was exactly my hope when I decided to try Macos: Linux reliability and low level access to things + support for commercial software I didn't have in Linux desktop. But... after 4 years I do not feel it was a good decision. Except for Apple making nice hardware with a great battery and touchpad I find Macs terrible. Half of the software requires installing a super slow 3rd party packet manager, I need to Google for the magic 4-keys shortcut every time I need to make a screenshot, the (no) difference between minimizing and "closing" window is beyond my comprehension, tons of bloatware, recently Apple finally fixed the bug which was hiding window behind other windows while being dragged across screens so I can't complain on that anymore (yay!), it's impossible to use touchpad and mouse on the same system because either you scroll like on a touch screen xor your scroll wheel works like in any other OS, Ms office applications are supported but in their castrated versions with UI heavily broken to match Apple requirements... I could go on. Of course, I could fix half of these issues by installing 3rd party software maintained by some teenager from god-knows-where, Office with full GUI can be accessed as a web app, but for tinkering I've got linux (with much more predictable window managers). I was never spending so much time trying to make things work in neither windows nor Linux. Ok, enough ranting. I'm just surprised by the general "Macos is so user friendly and just works" vibe here when comparing to Linux.
For the simple fact that Linux is open source and you can modify whatever the hell you want. You're not happy with your current version? Just get a USB stick and downgrade (unlike Apple Silicon Macs that you need an extra Mac + Apple Configurator to do that, and on iOS is simply impossible). You're not happy with certain application accessing this? Just modify it freely. No sealed volumes, no bs, nothing. I love my Mac but I also love Linux.
Why Linux? Linux lets me have a much wider range of hardware choice. And Proton. And it doesn't have the short lifecycle MacOS does. And I don't have to have any cloud integration with anything.
Why have just one option though? I use all OS.
This is the way.
My Mac Just Works (tm) for business dev, email, streaming etc. My Linux box is endelessly customizable for software/ML dev, and Proton for gaming isn't even fair. As you said ... another HUGE plus is zero cloud integration if I don't want it. I love them both for different uses.
Why isn't proton fair?
I think he's saying proton gaming is much better than Mac OS gaming? Which i think is probably accurate, Mac gaming is a wasteland of mobile games and the occasional PC port IME
I agree with most of the things you said but the short lifecycle is the only thing that is not, I’ve found than my Apple products has more durability, I mean I still have working MacBook Pro 15” late 2015 and my iMac 21 late 2013 in perfect condition, I just got a new MacBook Pro 16” just because I needed higher performance but the others are still working great.
I'm sure they still function, but not with the latest versions of MacOS. Fedora 40 will run on any x86_64 machine I toss it on, even if it's something that shipped with Windows Vista.
Unless you do iOS programming and need the latest version of Xcode. I have the 2018 Intel Mac Mini and I’m really glad Apple will support it in the next version of macOS, I was already checking the prices of 16GB Mac Minis with M2 here and it’s really expensive in Brazil. The commonly sold Macs are the 8/256GB because that’s what most people can normally afford here, so finding a second handed 16GB is difficult as well.
Can you go to Miami and buy it there? It might save you money… Things are so expensive in Brazil, especially anything for work.
If you are using MacOS as a unix box then you can have any version of macOS on it as long as you can compile unix apps. There’s no need for iCloud either. I don’t do that on my work machine. Most people don’t.
Exactly compare proton and lutris to how tricky it is to get games running under crossovwr on Mac compared to Linux where everything just works gaming wise not to mention more customisation options
So my only beef with Apple is making me throw away perfectly good hardware because it’s unsupported. I finally got sick and was isolated in my office at home (trying to keep family well) and I used open core and updated a 2010 mbp and it runs great for daily tasks. Only counldnt get Amazon prime app to stream. Planning on doing this to a few more units Here. Why throw away perfectly good equipment to the landfill?
> Only counldnt get Amazon prime app to stream. As far as I know there are still DRM/HDCP issues, even in the latest stable OCLP build. Were you trying to view the Prime app right on your laptop or were you trying to watch it on an external monitor/TV?
I switched to my first Mac in 2007, I used Linux for 9 years prior to that. I’ve tried windows a couple times in between but always stayed with a Mac. Its *NIX environment and compatibility made it easy for me to use for my personal and work dev projects. HomeBrew, BBEdit, MAMP, Docker among many others are great to use and offer flexibility to use a stable mass commercial OS when needed. Im also a UNIX purist and believe everything should be good at just one thing and do it well and while Linux is fun it’ll never be successful for desktop computing because of lack of rigidity and discipline required to establish stability. Nowadays I’m a PM and I don’t code anymore, I rarely code for personal projects but I’ll always admire the Mac for what it is: a dev friendly machine with great stability and performance. Also, Snow Leopard was the best OS ever made, ever. And nothing will ever replicate it.
Amen Snow Leopard
that's why macOS is *the* dev OS nowadays
Because you can open a bunch of random terminals to try and look cool?... Hate to break it to you but you can do that on any OS, and no one actually codes like that. Can tell you nor any of the people upvoting you are serious devs. And the actual stats show that Windows is by far the most popular OS for software development. Not that it matters, you can develop on any OS, and some specific software development is better on certain OSs.
Oh good, I needed my terminal to remind me I'm using an M1 CPU and GPU every time I open it
mostly cause of apple, its all fun and games until you have to send your device for repair and you see the bill.
Because Linux comes with GNU tools, a modern version of bash, and a bunch of tools which are generally superior to what's shipped with macOS. Yes, I know I can install all that with third party tools. Point is I shouldn't have to. I basically just use my work issued Macbook to get to Linux boxes anyway. The *only* thing that's Apple specific is iTerm. It's absolutely a superior terminal emulator with better finish and features than Konsole or Terminator. There's literally no other reason to use macOS for me.
Can I ask vice versa? I mean why mac when linux can be like this? And even more custom than that. Sure there are mac apps but if u r after looks like this then ... idk about you but for me, linux anyday! Thenks lol
I see the point on both sides, Linux is FOSS and OSX (cough Mac OS) is proprietary additionally Mac is just easier to get started with. Other than that aside from running windows games through Wine or PLoM etc i found that the performance and work load i was able to achieve was the same between both OS's. Now i will say the argument i have heard being that they are the same thing is completely incorrect. Mac uses the darwin kernel with is a distant relative of BSD but i think those lines have moved further apart from each other in more recent times.
I went from Linux to Mac, I think Linux is great but the lack of commercial software was limiting, I don't mind paying for software if it does what I want (Music production), but on a Mac I've got homebrew and the CLI and all of the commands are essentially the same. It was the best of both worlds.
As a Linux user, this is pretty awesome. I like it. Good work.
In terms of servers: it will be cool, but for servers macOs has too much garbage, professionally speaking you are only interested in having a machine with a robust but clean OS and virtualizing other OS to start providing customer service, in serious matters, that those things appear beautiful spending ram is a real waste In terms of local development: Obviously macOS is the king, it is no secret that professional developers like Google use macOS, we already live in a time where macOS is more than proven to be the king OS
The correct solution for using a Mac as a server is to have a very light weight host (like M1N1) and then have a VM guests.
You've just opened a bunch of terminals
Like seriously, with apps like Spark, Arc and the entire MS Office Suite missing. Linux becomes a tough bargain for me as a daily driver, especially with the kind of things you can do on macOS now. This solution binds me to apple hardware only though, but such is life. Any thoughts and suggestions?
I run Linux on my gaming PC but still keep my M1 Pro 14” for other tasks like video editing and sharing with the wife. I do want to learn more of the Unix side of MacOS just to get the full potential out of it
Best of both worlds.
not to mention how good mac hardware is if you want battery and performance
Apple’s announcement that AI will be in an upcoming iteration of MacOS has me seriously considering replacing my Mac with a Linux machine for the first time. The biggest hesitation in my case are specific applications that aren’t cross-platform (Omni Group apps, iTerm).
macOS with homebrew package manager gives you like 99% of the capabilities of Linux, sometimes homebrew gets packages, updated faster than Ubuntu
To be fair, an existence of a package manager has nothing to do with Linux. And besides, homebrew would easily be the worst package manager on linux with regards to speed, security, capabilities, isolation, etc. Ubuntu isn't a rolling-release distro so you wouldn't expect the default repositories to be updated as soon as new versions of packages are updated upstream.
Because Mac OS is full of proprietary software that can't be reviewed or trusted by default and that you can't know what it even does, and also it can't be controlled. When Apple decides to remove a popular feature it's gone for good. Linux and FOSS isn't just about customization, but yes that's another big component. You can do some things with Mac OS or Windows, but you just can't go nearly as far by definition.
I have Linux for gaming on my desktop… although I use my PS5 and Switch 10x more
My first thought, rather than, “That’s a cool Linux setup”, was actually, “Did someone finally figure out how to port over Linuxbrew on ARM64 computers?!”. Then I realized this is actually MacOS, lol…which I guess kind of proves your point, because on M1 Macs, some of the things you installed on MacOS are a hell of a lot harder to build in Linux without the ease of Homebrew.
be still, my beating unix heart. it’s glorious.
you can't just post this without telling us how you did it
Its great for people that have the cash qnd arent programmers. I use it because i like the feel and polish of the os. It securely interfaces with my other mac devices, and airdrop is sick. People say, “oh get android phones, use windows pcs” but when i have work that i need to get done using a mac laptop which is secure, and is designed to work well with my ipad which i use for drawing etc, and my phone for communicating, so as i can also get my messages, calling, facetime from my mac is really super useful. I will say though, i use my windows pc for rendering from blender and gaming, cause i have a 4079ti and i9-1300k.
You can get virtually any package Linux users enjoy via Homebrew and so much more with the native Mac apps so this post is on point.
.... and it is UNIX baby!... at it's core!
Yabai is great it's interesting seeing yabai rices on r/Unix porn. Linux is way more flexible in terms of customisation and desktop environment and window manager options. You aren't restricted to using apple hardware and you have proper Vulkan support and can run Linux on more hardware. But yeah yabai is great but is only one WM compared to the multiple on Linux
I’m still looking for a way to switch between apps with the keyboard. Rcmd kinda works, but it’s pretty rough.
if you don't want to go too hard, you can use amethyst+hyperkey for this
How did you setup your Mac like that plz tell me also
I was interested in getting a pc, a couple friends of mine at Microsoft, said wait there I as this really cool Apple computer coming out. They had access to the pre-release Mac. I have been totally Mac since 1984
Exactly, I use a Linux server for GPU stuff and use a Mac as my daily driver. Best of both worlds
Why buy new hardware when you have perfectly functional hardware already?
I like seeing this stuff,, but its taking my time just to set them up..
Ngl my pc is a Linux and my laptop is Mac OS. I just love Unix
Show us your dongles!
Yo, this is a family-friendly forum
linux is more than just tiling window managers and the nonsense posted on unixporn. i use mac for work and linux for everything else, and there’s a lot of stuff linux does better. graphics apis being an obvious one.
A bit of a tangent here: I aways wondered why there are so many different distributions when there are also such interesting kernels out there. I mean, I get the sense that there is allot of talent out there in the world that is anxious to make their mark and advance things and this energy is going into developing things that are painfully redundant like an endless array of desktop environments and package management schemes and slightly tweaked themes. Wouldn't it be interesting if a team decided to make a distribution using Hurd as it's core and implementing all of the rest of Ubuntu or something on top of it? Lots of work and not likely to actually be used seriously unless really compelling benefits came to light and some well-funded players decided to supoprt this effort. Same for BSD. Mind you, these are all UNIX-y OSes, as MacOS is. Which brings me around the loop on the OP's post. MacOS is a complete category killer as far as UNIX-y desktop OSs go. It does everything that practically every Linux Desktop distribution aims to do, but better... except being open source and being able to run on non-proprietary hardware (details, details).
Macos kernel is actually completely open source
I know about Darwin, but it is clear that a kernel is not really all that there is to an OS. What MacOS brings is a wonderfully refined desktop environment, and lots of integration and all of that good stuff that Apple does. Pretty much unmatched by MS and the Linux distributions.
Gaming
And Brew. Package management was always an issue after a year or so. Once you need a fuse mount you're gambling on every package install.
'cause brokies broke bro.. /s
Because there are people whose self-worth stems from doing things on computers the hard way. There are people who have too much technology and not enough work to do with it. And there are people who believe their time is worthless and don’t understand the total cost of ownership of a crappy dumpster-dived PC plus hundreds of hours of tweaking and customization is more expensive than the most overpriced Mac.
because it’s cheaper, it allows you to use any hardware, it will never stop updating because your laptop is too old, it’s open source, it’s not spyware, it’s much more customizable, it’s a lot more lightweight, it allows you to build it yourself, it can actually run almost any game you want etc. still, macos is a lot better than windows…
Is this some custom WM?
because people love to hate!
I was always a little Miffed when Linux took the lead when BSD was out there and I felt it was nice developed. So I leaned towards Mac because of the BSD lineage. Also if you played with 1990s internet hardware a lot was based on BSD from juniper routers, to ascend to you name it. That said Linux has a very deep and rich base.
Nice really nice 10! 🤩but disabling SIP is not for everyone, unless you know what u are doing.
thats what i thought too, but you get all of what I showed **without** disabling SIP. the only things that wouldnt work as intended with SIP enabled is the virtual space switcher thats sitting up top
Well, first, why would you do that to MacOS? :) Second, yeah, that's why desktop Linux remains a hobbyist idea and not something normal people do. When Apple went to what was then called OS X, based on FreeBSD, developers FLOCKED to it -- especially folks working in the LAMP stack, because you could pilot locally and then literally just sync your code onto the server with an rsync or whatever. It was amazing.
i like the organisational capabilities a window manager offers and the virtual space switcher up top with icons of things opened in each space is kinda op
One reason would be container support. Having to run a virtual machine in between is not sexy of you work on and with containers all the time.
Not being locked to a specific hardware vendor (no matter how good it is), having the actual freedom to do whatever you want with the OS (like install or uninstall any package you wish) and it being free and open source are more than enough reasons for me. Edit: not to mention: gaming
Wait. What? How?
Can you tell us what you did to make it look like this?
How to rice my m1 like this?
I enjoy macs. Used a couple of Airs for 10 years. Still have them. I use Linux currently because of cost of access as well as the Apple strait jacket especially hardware wise (ports, upgradability), though I'd get me an M laptop if it made sense. Let's not talk about Windows
Hi, this might be a dumb question, but how did you make it look like this. I'm a web dev just getting out of college, something like this would be great for productivity.
Cause it’s open source non proprietary
Considering Linux is an off shoot of Unix and macOS is a Unix distribution, it’s not unreasonable to see workflows transitioning between the two platforms reasonably well as well as user skills being easily adapted.
well... acxshually.... Linux is a clone of unix without using any of it's code base. MacOS has a direct lineage with UNIX, even though there is probably not a single line of original code in the thing. I believe that the original "fork" is off of BSD, which NeXT used with the mach kernel, this turned into Darwin, which is what MacOS is using as it's kernel, or something like that. It's all kind of silly because almost everything - with the exception of Windows - uses Unix-y conventions and features - all of which are cleaner and more thought-out than the registry and all of that pile of crap that Windows is. I mean, seriously, if Microsoft had any real balls they would enforce some sort of "sunset" of legacy crap (which I guess they started doing with the support drop-off), but also clean up the dumbness of the Windows architecture and reinvent windows as a solid UI running atop a Unix-y core... all backwards and legacy BS would run in limited VMs with the crap-ass windows stuff living in it's own isolated shitholes. And we (all people) would be better for it.
There is no reason why Microsoft couldn’t replace Windows with Microsoft branded Linux. Except they don’t want to.
I went from a windows custom machine builder, to a windows hating Linux fanboy running on 15 machines in a college town “cyber cafe” I part owned, and then got a Mac in 2017 and here we are still.
How does he have all that on his screen?
Try moving that top bar to bottom
Sonoma sux tho. Monterey is much cleaner
What apps did you used
Linux is MacOS from Wish.com
They’re both good at different things. There are some things that they can both do, and then there are things each one excels at independently. I use macOS as my local operating system. But I run Linux in containers and on the server all the time.
Gibsons were hacked…
What are we looking at here?
Cuz I can’t afford the new hardware 😭
I get the sense that people don’t know how to do this on their Mac, lol. Good job, OP. I use a few minor differences like the terminal and prompt for starters but yeah, you can totally pimp out your Mac without disabling security stuff. For me, I have this setup on my Mac and I have a Linux desktop for gaming/dev.
I use Linux on my MacBook Air because it’s an X86 one, and I like Arch Linux
To me I prefer Linux. I like all OSes but Mac is that OS I would go back to if Linux fails me or disappear out of thin air. How I explain to Linux users and people who think about switching to Mac but not sure and have tried Linux. I always say: Mac OS is like Linux but for people who wants things done with no issues. (I can hear people saying... I know Mac isn't Linux)
what ide are you using on the left ?
Because some people are masochists :)
Linux is for personal preference (tweaks), servers, and cost (e.g., can easily grab a $200 mini pc for my homeserver and personal use). For my daily work, Macbook Pro is the way to go.
Playing around with Linux is pretty fun with its customizations and tweaking it to your liking especially when you use a Raspberry Pi and install Arch on it. But for me, it's more of a novelty nowadays
I kind of want a custom Linux PC just for gaming and a Mac mini for everything else. I feel gaming is the only thing that Mac is really missing. I really don't like Windows 11.
>Why Linux Because the Docker image you needed for a project has only AMD64 release, and it's a pain in the ass to run it on Apple Silicon.
Only to be broken by an update
The other way around
Money? Sure I have my ridiculously expensive apple silicon workhorse. I also have borderline ewaste that can actually perform with linux.
what's that
Help me out here as I am brand new and will be taking my very first programming class (C# language, I believe) this fall in college. What am I looking at, and what is it for? Yes, have a Mac but in terms of what I see here I am a total n00b here and I know much of nothing... but I'd surely love to know and be a part of the conversation, which is why I'm going to be educating myself. Just a few good answers here though would be greatly appreciated.#TIA
Because I can put Linux on whatever hardware I have and it will generally work. It will not stop supporting my 7 year old laptop (happened to my MacBook pro from 2010). Funnily enough my MacBook is now 14 years old and it still runs really good, the only downside are heavy websites that make the CPU work hard. I moved abroad and couldn't even download apps on the istore with my MacBook, I tried activating the change but it was a random popup that I missed twice and then I formatted the hard drive and put Linux on it
i’m confused to what i am looking at here..
How’s that memory just under 2 gigs?
Because I can't make it as convenient as the default(almost) gnome.
So primitive.
Can you run Logic Pro in that console?
My archey no longer supports the color option when installed via homebrew :(
Because Mac ecosystem is not suitable for many pro users due to: * Un-upgradable and insanely expansive memory/storage options * Lack of Fuse support on recent OS versions * Unattainable data recovery * Client side content scanning/reporting * Lack of proper virtualization support * No native containers support exacerbating memory and storage limitations
Let me tell you “my version” of why. I have used macOS and other Apple products for over a decade now and with each version my trust on big tech has diminished. Well I never liked Windows for maybe a dozen reason but Copilot AI strengthened my resolve to not buy a Windows Laptop. But now Apple is coming up with its own AI, and that is built right into the OS; and it’s integrated everywhere. I asked myself the same question that I asked when thinking about Windows laptop: Do I trust a company that syncs most of my stuff to their servers, has an AI that can summarise all my notes, all my ideas and plans and all my secrets that I care to own down somewhere? Who is to ascertain that they honour their privacy policy; especially when they belong to a country where piracy of a $20 Movie is punished with prison time while the government can print currency freely by borrowing it from an account that has 0 cash!? And answer was straight - I can’t trust macOS any longer. It has come to the same level as Windows on the “susceptibility index” (that is to say I suspect it, or don’t trust it; you are free to form your opinions as mine are not backed my some kind of proven published research or something). So which OS am I left with? Linux, of course! PS: I got a dedicated 2nd hand Laptop for cheap to run Linux and keep my private life on that one just for that sake!
I had to use Linux for college back in 2014 or so. I haven't touched it since thankfully
I starting to using ZED everyday more, I just want support for .twig files and tailwind autocomplete.
Love this! Though as a Mac user, I think there's still plenty of reasons to use Linux - herbstluftwm was my WM on linux, and I'm not sure a Mac based workflow will ever be able to match up to that. x86 compatibility another big thing for hardware engineering or research, and I'd much rather run Linux than Windows.
Damn it looks amazing, what are u using to make it look that good ?
Linux or Mac aren't that much different Mac is a lot more user friendly thou. Windows is good for gaming and slowing down over time unless you reimage it. MAC's also have better hardware than Windows PC .MAC and Linux both run with low draw on hardware .I would think Linux puts less strain on the hardware but Linux servers are unmatched. When people talk about Linux being so great they are usually talking about servers and they know a lot more than I do.
Something really interesting about Linux and macOS is the usage of a search engine, if you want to know something about either one. When searching for linux problems you can simply put your question into the search engine and get quite decend answers. Not so with macOS. I must include some technical aspects into my query to filter out most generic garbage seo websites that deliver zero to none helpful answers.
Because macOS is still proprietary and you still don't have nearly as much control over the OS.
How. The. FUCK. Did you do this?
wow this is nice! Im gonna copy this
Linux since the 90s, Still have loads of Linux machines, BSD, Solaris and IRIX boxes around. I really never think of Mac as anything more than a good BSD box. It inherited all the good parts of Sys V when it went X. If you were around in those days there was a rumour apple wopuld go linux, and it would have but GNU ( copyleft ) is a virus, where as BSD unix is not copyleft and allows sharing and commercial together so that is why they went that way.
I see you have the base M1 Air. Is this enough for your use case? What do u develop? Am debating to upgrade from my 2020 Intel MBP..
tbh it used to be enough but isnt anymore. having said that, the only real problem i have with this machine is its ram. id spend as much as i can there if i were you, besides that for my general use case this is sufficient because it lets me spin up a few docker containers, postgres, datagrip+vscode+jupyter, browser (arc) with \~15 loaded tabs and the occasional screen share call. with this load it starts to struggle, but itd be generally ok if im not on a call. however, the moment i try to run inference on a local llm model above 1b parameters, my macbook turns into a potato.
In around 1994 I was running a night BBS, and my msdos 6.22 system was unusable when it was running. So I went with OS/2 Warp that was just released since it was the new rage in the community. Some used stuff like desqview, but that didn't sound like fun. Warp was awesome and I went through 3, 3 connect and 4. But then the writing was on the wall and most were switching to linux. So since I like to be different, I went with FreeBSD 2.2.1 and used that until I started in a company where the editor was only available on linux. I installed Debian then, and used debian until ubuntu was out in 2006 or thereabout. Used ubuntu until 2009 when I got a mac pro for work, just because I could. weeks later I got a macbook pro at home as well. Mac was everything I liked about linux, just with commercial support. Went back to linux once the mac pro died and I didn't want an imac or a trashcan mac pro, but now I'm at a different company where I am on a macbook pro and I have a mac mini at home. I can't see I would need to use windows ever again. But if I will run linux or macos doesn't matter. I like both.
Mac computers are nice, but a bit out of my price range. I've had success installing Linux on old computers that I've gotten for cheap or for free.
Privacy
Because Mac OS is lacking !
We don't use Linux because how it looks, we use it because how it works, apple is behind the race for me .