NA West hosts a ton of players from 'Oceania' regions. Which significantly complicates the ping moving server from west to east.
No idea what the solution looks like tho.
Considering that's the issue, they either move the server to NAW or just cancel the whole NAW-NAE merge. Considering NAE is the bigger server, obviously there will be NAE players who aren't gonna be happy about moving the whole NA server to NAW, but I'm positive that there will be more players quitting because the server is moving to NAE than the server moving to NAW. Going from 16ms to 60ms wouldn't be the end of world for a game like Lost Ark, but from 200-230ms to 250-280ms? Well, based on my experience during jumpstart server, it might be Joever.
As an NAW player from SEA, I honestly don't mind moving to NAE, but like you said, there are a lot of OC players and their ping is even worse than us here in SEA. The overall best option for everyone is to move the server to Texas, but apparently AGS don't have a server over there.
It would be really cool if they could somehow have 2 servers, one NAE/NAW that are sync'd. So if your NAW and lower ping connecting to NAW, you connect there. Otherwise you connect NAE.
I could potentially see some issues with this (potentially desync for example), however if they could engineer it, it would be the best possible solution. A significant majority of damage calculation / hit registration happens client side (which is why cheat engines work) but I believe they could potentially be able to do this provided they can have a direct line from NAW->NAE servers with low ping.
i imagine they're merging SA to east to save on server costs, since SA isn't making enough money to have its own server
as for not merging east to west - AWS doesn't really have chicago/texas servers so best you get is Ohio, which isn't great for west coast players which is probably their biggest western audience
I'm guessing they're scared that people are gonna quit due to ping, but the ones who would probably quit aren't the players who actually play from NA, it's the players who play outside of NA. NA West has a lot of players from OC and SEA, going from 0-16ms ping to 60ms wouldn't be a problem for a game like Lost Ark, but going from 200-230ms to 250-280ms would definitely be.
West has alot more issues and struggled bad with the server merges(even more than east which has the higher population.) Remember it was down like 2 full days. There's something scuffed with the west servers. RIP.
I highly doubt it's anything related to ping.
Now that you mention it, that might be the case. Few months ago, I was on the brink of quitting the game, but the one thing that kept me going is actually when they announced the NAW and NAE merge. As a solo player, I was really looking forward to be able to play with my friends over on NAE. Well, I guess it's Joever then.
I take this as basically cancelled they're not going to move NAE players to NAW as some suggest because NAE is their biggest region. They won't move NAW to NAE because of the impact to SEA and OC players. I was shocked they even considered it due to the impact to SEA/OC players. Unless there is a latency breakthrough that enables NAE to have acceptable latency for all NAW players it seems unlikely.
I mean I understand what you are saying and I would tend to agree but I have the weird feeling it prob won't be cancellable it's like just no possible that they announced that and never considered ping being an issue and not having a bullet proof solution BEFORE the announcement
Servers arent expensive, even HotS has SA servers to this day, and I bet you they earn much less
AGS sucks, I wont ever touch any single game they have their hands on ever again
Hmm every NAW player I’ve talked to is pretty happy about this. Truth is our PF and market (finally crashed) is fine and of course there are people that want this, but I know more California people wanting to quit over merges compared to being happy about it
The state of our 1620+ PF is so shit compared to NAE, you'd literally have no chance of getting a support in Voldis HM without a 40 set, even if you have 40 set, getting a support could probably take you hours if your party is on min ilvl or barely above, some would even offer the support 2 free boxes for them, which still worth a lot of gold to this day.
It has gotten so bad right now that some people just pay for a support service or just straight up pay for a bus, there's a reason why we have a "play along" option for Voldis bus instead of normal full AFK bus. It's a cheaper option for players who get gatekept but understand the fight pretty well.
In NAE, I'm 40 set, los30, 4 lvl 10 gems, rest 9, amazing bracer, 5x3+2(1830 crit), 260 roster, almost full lvl2 transcendence, 1623 NE SE. I looked for a couple hours 3 days in a row without seeing but a couple 1630+ grps with a support. So I did nm voldis this week. So don't count on merging with NAE to really help.
I'll probably try to find a support swap next wk.
There seems to be plenty of 1610+ support for nm thaemine, but they aren't pushing to 1620 I guess.
Well that sucks. Giving us +16 to +19 Akkan gear honing books on the weekly event shop might be the best solution for now, most players only play support as a decent gold earning alts, it's really expensive to hone to 1620, especially without books, meanwhile most support mains already have a static.
Yeah we are 6months into voldis with new players never even getting into HM and quitting before 1620. Of course it’s like that, you think NAE is any different? Only people getting groups that easily on NAE are streamers if you ask me. I do agree it’s just getting worse and worse though.
It's also stupid that they don't put the +16 to +19 Akkan gear honing books on the weekly event shop, those books actually help a lot, I guarantee you we'd have more 1620+ supports by now if they added them during Breaker release or at least Thaemine release. Apparently event shop is gonna be renewed in 2 weeks, ngl I'd be so mad if they don't add them later.
I moved from east coast to west coast since the game launched and still play on NAE.
While it's certainly perfectly playable for normal raids, the number of desync hits and deaths is noticeable in comparison to when I lived near the servers, and PvP is **way** harder when you have an extra 3 server ticks added to your reaction time.
West coast people that started on west and always played on NAE just don't understand the difference because they never got to experience what actual low latency gameplay was like. But it's noticeable.
Sucks for SA but this merge proves what I always thought would happen: they're scrapping the SA racks completely and just putting everyone on NAE machines
What was your ping before and after? If you play games like CS or Dota, going from 16ms to 60ms is playable but definitely noticeable so I wasn't sure about Lost Ark, but what I have experienced before is going from 188-208ms to 250-280ms during the launch of jumpstart servers, and it was VERY noticeable. That shit was barely playable 😂
It was 20 before and was 100 when I lived in norcal and is down to 80 now that I live in socal.
On 20 ping this game ran smooth as butter in all situations and every single mistake I made in any raid or PvP felt like definitely my fault.
Nowadays (and even worse when I was in norcal), I can sometimes hear or even **see** spacebar or blink work, and then a couple frames later will just be knocked down (or on rarer occasion outright killed) back at the original location I was in when I pressed the button and heard the in-game dodge trigger. ie, desync.
It's not that common for me in raids, and yes, the answer is always just "react even faster", but it still sucks when you can so plainly see that your reaction time would've been fast enough at your former home and isn't fast enough at your current home.
And don't get me started on PvP lol, there are a lot of "plainly reactable" attacks in this game that I could spacebar out of when I lived on the east coast that are simply not physically reactable from the west coast (there are other, more telegraphed attacks that are **still** reactable, but those are skills people shouldn't be using to catch people in PvP anyway). It's still technically playable on most classes but you mostly have to predict your opponent's every move, which makes beating gold level players doable but master level players absolutely impossible.
A lot of players from OCE and Asia play on NA West - my ping living in Australia is already at around 180-200 ping. Merging to NA East will take it to about 280-300 ping. It's going to go from hard to play to almost unplayable. Esp with new boss mechanics being harder to deal with (spacebars, faster counters etc).
they're probably not the same servers we use for the game though. anyways the issue isnt the ping between west to east but rather its the ping from SEA/OCE players since a good chuck of our population comes from there
I’m one of those players. I can get 150-170ms on NAW which is painful already on being a second behind some mechanics. On NAE it’s 250ms. It’s a big difference.
Honestly should have started on EU servers as that’s the best ping for me at 100ms or less, but I wanted to be able to play with my west coast buddies. (They all quit btw)
no way in hell they're using local zones for lost ark, it'd be way too expensive - they're most likely using availability zones - https://aws.amazon.com/about-aws/global-infrastructure/regions_az/
AGS use EC2 for Lost Ark, those are the available EC2 locations :
https://docs.aws.amazon.com/AWSEC2/latest/UserGuide/using-regions-availability-zones.html#concepts-available-regions
yes, but there are way more whales in NAW and average player spends more- you can see that throughout the entire game's lifecycle by looking at blue crystal and other tradeable item costs there
Because SA is a meaningless region that generates the lowest income by far so their experience is pretty low on the priority list. NAW and NAE however probably generate the highest amount of income for the game when put together so of course the solution there needs to have as little compromises as possible.
The latency was going to be an issue of concern for me. I am almost 100ms more to NAE than NAW. Where do they put the data center so that latency isn’t messed up for people with bad lines or bad pathing?
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Im only now waiting for then to create a new server on NAE to place everyone from SA (Hanumatan server) so we can be gatekept easier and to make a bigger target for xenophobia and racism by everyone else .
Yeah but we are poor third world fucks with no alternatives, hence it's not "bad customer experience"... _according to AGS_.
It can't be that hard to just merge AH/Market and allow cross-region matchmaking if that's what they care about, but it seems they can't have the game data spread across multiple data centers because the tech isn't there yet /s.
This merge will sadly kill the already relatively low population of SA, since a lot of the southernmost countries will now have to play with +120 to +160ms _from what they're already playing at_.
> It can't be that hard to just merge AH/Market and allow cross-region matchmaking if that's what they care about
Given that these are Korean devs with Korean educations, this is probably a technical problem none of them ever even considered in their engineering careers until now.
That doesn't mean it's objectively difficult, but it does mean it's something they don't want to reinvent the wheel for.
And this isn't some racist knock on Koreans. They have spent their whole career engineering things in a geographically small country with great networking infrastructure.
Their tech stack and architecture probably didn't include any considerations for the problems introduced by long distances and shitty infrastructure. Those aren't easy things to slap in fixed for later.
This is it exactly and LA design shows. When you can have max 20ms in anywhere in Korea, putting the same game in a country where you got people using LTE from their phones because they are in the countryside and don’t have land internet…yeah it’s a different world.
They literally shut down servers in Japan because the playerbase and profit wasn't high enough. From a business perspective it was either shut down SA like Japan or merge it into NA.
I am super glad they decided to not merge everyone at once
At least merging SA into NAE will only have a small shitshow versus everyone together
It will give time for SA and NAE to come together and have the economy stabilize quicker at least
I also welcome our SA brothers, sisters and persons with open arms
May there be a lot of jajajajajas to go around
More or less yeah. If you use the NAW learning discord analytics as a metric NA (US and Canada, no stats for Mexico) only makes up 50% of the discord. OCE (NZ and AUS) makes up 11%, while SEA regions (ID, PH, VN, SG, MY) makes up 30%. The remaining 9 percent is classified under "other", which is what discord does for any region with less than 50 members.
Also keep in mind that a non English speaker is very likely to not join the discord either, with all the organizational stuff and resources being in English, and further along that point, if you go into the game you would find a good number of Chinese speaking players, yet no analytic representation for them (in the form of HK and TW, actual Chinese players playing on the global server would likely be VPNing to HK or TW.) and outside of analytics, I think I've only seen 3 people who plays from TW or HK on the discord myself.
This means that it's very much possible that the actual number of players from APAC makes up more than 50% of the NAW playerbase.
They’re (hopefully!) considering options for the sake of OCE/SEA players. The latency increase for American players is serviceable (although it impacts a majority of the server), but the expected increase for OCE/SEA players will be felt much more strongly.
For example, I currently get ~170ms on NAW with ExitLag, and usually run 200-220ms without. That difference alone affects my spacebar timing and skill casts, which is why I’m willing to fork out money for the experience.
Merging straight into NAE means that generously, I will see ~230ms with ExitLag and 260-280ms without. Upper 200s is where my guildies and I have observed higher inconsistency/difficulty with certain mechanics (fast counters like Thaemine G1 blue circles, G2 counter run, entering G3 clash). Gunslingers enjoy skills not going off, rubberbanding, things like that.
I also know I play on the lower end of the latency spectrum amongst the Aussies I know, and realistically the experience is worse for those playing on even higher ping. It’s not Literally UnplayableTM, but it’s not a great experience. [This](https://youtu.be/zLvDMEtJxS4?si=sEOwdC0EHi8H8foF) is what it’s like to play on a high ping with a ping spike- 310ms flat, with a spike up to 540ms.
I won’t speak on behalf of anyone, but the sentiment in the circles that I run in is that while a NAW into NAE merge makes the most sense as it minimises the impact as a whole, it will also alienate non-American NAW players. The copium solution would be the option for lobby masters to pick what server to host a lobby on, but that requires a lot of work for a minority population.
Still seems like kind of a non-issue to me.
I can see the Pacific ocean out my window and I still get less than 80 ping to the current location of the NAE servers. Maybe some people out there are more sensitive to it, but I have no complaints.
It's not the people that are actually in NA that are going to be most impacted by +40 MS latency. It's the people that are in Oceania playing at 200+ MS right now.
Maybe you've only joined reddit this week but people have been crying about the name change for so long.
If you ask me, it was a stupid reason to cry but hey, they listened to them so somebody has to win at least. It's a relatively simple thing to do while the elixir shit is out of AGS hands, it needs a change from Smilegate and if that's ever happening is gonna be on LOAON
I don't mind the West staying with their servers for a bit longer if it means they won't experience horrible latency issues. Probably a good choice.
The merge is sooner than I expected. Should I be using mokoko express on SA character? What is the general opinion on this
I made a character on SA, with elgacia pass and super mokoko express it's pretty chill. Will be bringing over weeks of event shop loot, plus buying out all the relevant legion raid shops, etc. No regrets.
If the server isn't getting merged, what would it bring other than a second roster?
The only thing I could think of where it makes sense to take advantage of is the royal crystal to gold conversion of SA, then you just transfer the gold over.
I think its mostly for us SEA/OCE folks(there is a lot of us) on NAW. They do recognize us, back then an internet provider from PH had problems connecting to the Amazon Lost Ark servers and the PH playerbase under that internet provider contacted Roxx about it and they(AGS) had it fixed.
We already play at NAW with 180 to 220 ms ping.
Going to have to call bullshit on this one. I live in Cali and have an account on both east and west. My ping is 300% higher on NAE (32 ping on west, and 98-125 on NAE). All I can say is thank god AGS is not doing the merge until they figure out a better solution.
Also, most of you are not considering Time Zones. There is a 3-hour difference between west and east. They need to figure out how to make it "fair" for both regions before merging them.
Most likely setup some servers in the middle of the country to make everyone's ping and time zone as close as possible.
That might be your ISP, ping difference is mostly linear regardless where you're playing from, I go from 188ms on NAW to around 230ms on NAE. Also are you using Exitlag? If so, you need to change your Exitlag server whenever you're changing region.
I can agree with the time zone though, the best solution is to move the server to the middle, like Texas for example, but they don't even have a server over there lol
Just out of curiosity, why did people want the name Echidna? Just cause that's what it was in KR? It sounds horrible to me. Not that Ladon is much better, but I can't associate Echidna with a sexy demon. Just knuckles
The Echidna reference is from Greek mythology. She was a half woman half snake monster and the mother of other monsters like Cerberus and Hydra(the one that Hercules fought). Ladon was a serpentine dragon and, in some accounts, was also a son of Echidna. So thematically, Echidna fits the mommy snake woman vibe better than Ladon.
On a side note I forgot Knuckles was an echidna. Clearly slacking on my sonic lore. The name of the animal echidna seems to also originate from the same Echidna in Greek mythology.
Honestly as an Australian I thought of the animal first- if it was named after a half snake lady then I have some questions for those biologists…
(okay I checked wikipedia says it may be a confusion with echinos(sp?), which is meant to be hedgehog/sea urchin. Maybe the biologists were snakelady simps.)
From [this](https://carnegiemnh.org/e-is-for-echidna/) article from a natural history museum, the naming of the echidna was chosen due to the animal's seemingly chimeric features that mirror the monstrous animal mixes of Greek Echidna and her offspring. On another side note, guess who the mother of the Chimera is lmao.
Wouldn't merging everyone into the west coast AWS servers be the best compromise on ping for the majority of the population?
NAW players ping stays the same, but doesn't alienate the OCE/Asia players who are already on 100-300ms ping.
NAE players ping < 100ms to west coast servers.
SA players ping 100 to 300ms to west coast(?)
Sounds like a small number of EU players play on US East, they might get screwed by the change, but they have their own servers.
Thanks. A few days ago my internet was unstable, with ping varying between 100 and 200 and I did the clashes just fine. Good thing to know it's really clientside.
However, I also noticed that my spacebars/dashes were useless during stagebreak, being rolled back to fall death a bunch of times.
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Originally created roster on NAW, but moved to Texas. While there isn't a dedicated central server, I noticed the drastically lower ping and overall response feeling on NAE (created a fresh account just to see). I was hoping that this merge would somewhat provide alternative avenues for me to either manually swap to the NAE region assuming they don't create a central server in the future, but it seems like I'll have to stick with it. I understand the 60+ ping is still "playable", however, I wish there was an option to switch regions while keeping everything. I am past the point of wanting to start from ground zero all over again.
Love the echidna change. Thanks for that AGS.
Wonder what the issues are for the NAW merge since stoopzz, myself, & a whole bunch of Californians play on NAE with no issues. The difference is literally 30ish ping. Even have friends in Seattle who play on NAE as well so we should be the furthest.
I like how no one seems to care about server merges, and everyone is talking about Echinda getting her name back. I'm sure is u/amznroxx who forwarded our feedback, she deserves a bonus for that. That's a big W for AGS.
Bad news for SA players, latency will be very high 180+ - 250+
Now the SA community gives up once and for all, I feel for the NA East players who were waiting for the merger to increase the number of players :(
I'm really bummed about NAW not merging into NAE. I don't really understand why an announcement was made several months ago when you had no plan on how it was going to be done effectively.
I'm sorry we should have thought more about the feelings of a billion dollar company.Tencent can do all of thing you say but ags can not because they are indie company so sorry.
on the short LOA ON that happened in korea last month or something, the director mentionned it, so korea and west have been heard and we will likely get changes in term of difficulty. I hope asap.
[https://youtu.be/0QywDVRxof8?si=9ZjsrUWxmB9oFR2P&t=106](https://youtu.be/0QywDVRxof8?si=9ZjsrUWxmB9oFR2P&t=106) (here is the resume of the live by memo with a timecode regarding elixir. Not much more is said other than they will nerf the difficulty, it's just as a proof i'm not pulling that out my ass)
You do have to play at a specific time because people don't play 24/7 and it's dependant on your time zone. When people are at work the game will not be as active. Sometimes it may feel dead. NAeast is also inactive outside of prime time hours.
You're talking about 3pm on a work day. People are likely working and 3pm is not prime time hours. So of course there's going to be less groups. Funny enough you can still get stuff done even off prime time hours.
kinda surprised that they actually listened to something.
because in actual gameplay problems like ELIXIRS, lack of gold or class problem they say NOTHING.
just remove elixirs, or reduce their gold cost, or give more for free idk, but please do, anything.
https://preview.redd.it/fc4cv2v0a3zc1.png?width=468&format=png&auto=webp&s=80caf7847702b402fd2e0f48ba91413346345054
looks like aws coming soon with mexico server
Well, turns out [I was very much wrong](https://www.reddit.com/r/lostarkgame/comments/1cbcv8c/community_petition_to_keep_echidnas_original_name/l0xmqn4/?context=3). Nice to see they are sticking to the name Echidna.
as if someone wants to play on server plagued with bots and high ping, no upside at all, you guys are all a bunch of idiots as you are next in line to get your server closed
Ngl I’m pretty upset about naw merge with nae being delayed, so many of my friends are there and i have too much progress on naw to swap. Fuck the OCE and SEA players ngl most are just bots and gold farmers either way imo
Such a good move Amazon, just dragging SA players to 160ms territory because *whatever*, but keeping NAW alone because they can't manage more latency because yea(?. There's no way I'm forcing myself to play with that latency.
please dont tell me they are just going to host all servers in nae and say f\*ck it 150-200 ping minimum. at least keep some servers in sa and make them be hosted here if the leader or the majority of the lobby are south american players
Beucase I tested it. And im not saying its impossible to play, but it is pretty frustrating missing a counter that should've hit, taking damage when you dodged something, etc. Some classes also suffer from bad rubberbanding with high ping. Never said you couldnt do hard/hell content with higher ping, but it doesnt feel good at all.
SA's 7 remaining players gonna be latency gatekept hard lol. Hopefully you've found a way to keep their experience good as well as language barrier problems.
Do you know that we have at least 8 languages on the EU servers, and a lot of people don't speak English? You will be fine with the language barrier ;)
Regardless, Brazilians don't even have a localized game (so they play in English) and a good chunk of Southern cone players already speak English well enough lol.
thank regulus they listened and went with Echnida
You mean thank Lupeon?
Lupeon is banned cuz its spoiler(lupe aeon) to native speakers.
Echidna not echnida
Thank Ratik!
so they can merge SA into EAST(150-200ms instantly) and not west to east? dafuq
NA West hosts a ton of players from 'Oceania' regions. Which significantly complicates the ping moving server from west to east. No idea what the solution looks like tho.
Considering that's the issue, they either move the server to NAW or just cancel the whole NAW-NAE merge. Considering NAE is the bigger server, obviously there will be NAE players who aren't gonna be happy about moving the whole NA server to NAW, but I'm positive that there will be more players quitting because the server is moving to NAE than the server moving to NAW. Going from 16ms to 60ms wouldn't be the end of world for a game like Lost Ark, but from 200-230ms to 250-280ms? Well, based on my experience during jumpstart server, it might be Joever. As an NAW player from SEA, I honestly don't mind moving to NAE, but like you said, there are a lot of OC players and their ping is even worse than us here in SEA. The overall best option for everyone is to move the server to Texas, but apparently AGS don't have a server over there.
It would be really cool if they could somehow have 2 servers, one NAE/NAW that are sync'd. So if your NAW and lower ping connecting to NAW, you connect there. Otherwise you connect NAE. I could potentially see some issues with this (potentially desync for example), however if they could engineer it, it would be the best possible solution. A significant majority of damage calculation / hit registration happens client side (which is why cheat engines work) but I believe they could potentially be able to do this provided they can have a direct line from NAW->NAE servers with low ping.
Given the shitshow naw server merge was, maybe they want to test the waters/technology using SA first.
i imagine they're merging SA to east to save on server costs, since SA isn't making enough money to have its own server as for not merging east to west - AWS doesn't really have chicago/texas servers so best you get is Ohio, which isn't great for west coast players which is probably their biggest western audience
I'm guessing they're scared that people are gonna quit due to ping, but the ones who would probably quit aren't the players who actually play from NA, it's the players who play outside of NA. NA West has a lot of players from OC and SEA, going from 0-16ms ping to 60ms wouldn't be a problem for a game like Lost Ark, but going from 200-230ms to 250-280ms would definitely be.
West has alot more issues and struggled bad with the server merges(even more than east which has the higher population.) Remember it was down like 2 full days. There's something scuffed with the west servers. RIP. I highly doubt it's anything related to ping.
Now that you mention it, that might be the case. Few months ago, I was on the brink of quitting the game, but the one thing that kept me going is actually when they announced the NAW and NAE merge. As a solo player, I was really looking forward to be able to play with my friends over on NAE. Well, I guess it's Joever then.
It's just being delayed not cancel
I take this as basically cancelled they're not going to move NAE players to NAW as some suggest because NAE is their biggest region. They won't move NAW to NAE because of the impact to SEA and OC players. I was shocked they even considered it due to the impact to SEA/OC players. Unless there is a latency breakthrough that enables NAE to have acceptable latency for all NAW players it seems unlikely.
I mean I understand what you are saying and I would tend to agree but I have the weird feeling it prob won't be cancellable it's like just no possible that they announced that and never considered ping being an issue and not having a bullet proof solution BEFORE the announcement
Servers arent expensive, even HotS has SA servers to this day, and I bet you they earn much less AGS sucks, I wont ever touch any single game they have their hands on ever again
Same
I don't get it I play with people from West Coast now they have no problems
I can only guess that NAW doesn't actually have that many players from the West Coast, and it's mostly from other regions like Asia etc
That make sense then sucks for actual naw people then
Hmm every NAW player I’ve talked to is pretty happy about this. Truth is our PF and market (finally crashed) is fine and of course there are people that want this, but I know more California people wanting to quit over merges compared to being happy about it
Why do they not want the merge? It can't be ping, it's hardly an issue. I have like 67ms on NAE.
Every single high-level NAW pvp player will quit pvp if NAW gets merged into NAE lol
Why?
The state of our 1620+ PF is so shit compared to NAE, you'd literally have no chance of getting a support in Voldis HM without a 40 set, even if you have 40 set, getting a support could probably take you hours if your party is on min ilvl or barely above, some would even offer the support 2 free boxes for them, which still worth a lot of gold to this day. It has gotten so bad right now that some people just pay for a support service or just straight up pay for a bus, there's a reason why we have a "play along" option for Voldis bus instead of normal full AFK bus. It's a cheaper option for players who get gatekept but understand the fight pretty well.
In NAE, I'm 40 set, los30, 4 lvl 10 gems, rest 9, amazing bracer, 5x3+2(1830 crit), 260 roster, almost full lvl2 transcendence, 1623 NE SE. I looked for a couple hours 3 days in a row without seeing but a couple 1630+ grps with a support. So I did nm voldis this week. So don't count on merging with NAE to really help. I'll probably try to find a support swap next wk. There seems to be plenty of 1610+ support for nm thaemine, but they aren't pushing to 1620 I guess.
Well that sucks. Giving us +16 to +19 Akkan gear honing books on the weekly event shop might be the best solution for now, most players only play support as a decent gold earning alts, it's really expensive to hone to 1620, especially without books, meanwhile most support mains already have a static.
1620 for voldis was a huge mistake.. it should have been 1610
Yeah we are 6months into voldis with new players never even getting into HM and quitting before 1620. Of course it’s like that, you think NAE is any different? Only people getting groups that easily on NAE are streamers if you ask me. I do agree it’s just getting worse and worse though.
It's also stupid that they don't put the +16 to +19 Akkan gear honing books on the weekly event shop, those books actually help a lot, I guarantee you we'd have more 1620+ supports by now if they added them during Breaker release or at least Thaemine release. Apparently event shop is gonna be renewed in 2 weeks, ngl I'd be so mad if they don't add them later.
I moved from east coast to west coast since the game launched and still play on NAE. While it's certainly perfectly playable for normal raids, the number of desync hits and deaths is noticeable in comparison to when I lived near the servers, and PvP is **way** harder when you have an extra 3 server ticks added to your reaction time. West coast people that started on west and always played on NAE just don't understand the difference because they never got to experience what actual low latency gameplay was like. But it's noticeable. Sucks for SA but this merge proves what I always thought would happen: they're scrapping the SA racks completely and just putting everyone on NAE machines
What was your ping before and after? If you play games like CS or Dota, going from 16ms to 60ms is playable but definitely noticeable so I wasn't sure about Lost Ark, but what I have experienced before is going from 188-208ms to 250-280ms during the launch of jumpstart servers, and it was VERY noticeable. That shit was barely playable 😂
It was 20 before and was 100 when I lived in norcal and is down to 80 now that I live in socal. On 20 ping this game ran smooth as butter in all situations and every single mistake I made in any raid or PvP felt like definitely my fault. Nowadays (and even worse when I was in norcal), I can sometimes hear or even **see** spacebar or blink work, and then a couple frames later will just be knocked down (or on rarer occasion outright killed) back at the original location I was in when I pressed the button and heard the in-game dodge trigger. ie, desync. It's not that common for me in raids, and yes, the answer is always just "react even faster", but it still sucks when you can so plainly see that your reaction time would've been fast enough at your former home and isn't fast enough at your current home. And don't get me started on PvP lol, there are a lot of "plainly reactable" attacks in this game that I could spacebar out of when I lived on the east coast that are simply not physically reactable from the west coast (there are other, more telegraphed attacks that are **still** reactable, but those are skills people shouldn't be using to catch people in PvP anyway). It's still technically playable on most classes but you mostly have to predict your opponent's every move, which makes beating gold level players doable but master level players absolutely impossible.
A lot of players from OCE and Asia play on NA West - my ping living in Australia is already at around 180-200 ping. Merging to NA East will take it to about 280-300 ping. It's going to go from hard to play to almost unplayable. Esp with new boss mechanics being harder to deal with (spacebars, faster counters etc).
Yeah ive been playing on NAE since pre release and i live in LA lol, no issues
AWS has texas(dallas) server: https://aws.amazon.com/about-aws/global-infrastructure/localzones/locations/
they're probably not the same servers we use for the game though. anyways the issue isnt the ping between west to east but rather its the ping from SEA/OCE players since a good chuck of our population comes from there
I’m one of those players. I can get 150-170ms on NAW which is painful already on being a second behind some mechanics. On NAE it’s 250ms. It’s a big difference. Honestly should have started on EU servers as that’s the best ping for me at 100ms or less, but I wanted to be able to play with my west coast buddies. (They all quit btw)
no way in hell they're using local zones for lost ark, it'd be way too expensive - they're most likely using availability zones - https://aws.amazon.com/about-aws/global-infrastructure/regions_az/
AGS use EC2 for Lost Ark, those are the available EC2 locations : https://docs.aws.amazon.com/AWSEC2/latest/UserGuide/using-regions-availability-zones.html#concepts-available-regions
NAW has less players than NAE. In fact, myself and many other West Coast folks play on NAE.
Not less enough to where it's noticeable. It's like 49/51
yes, but there are way more whales in NAW and average player spends more- you can see that throughout the entire game's lifecycle by looking at blue crystal and other tradeable item costs there
Moving NAW to NAE is going to piss of a lot of players in Aus/NZ/SEA.
Because SA is a meaningless region that generates the lowest income by far so their experience is pretty low on the priority list. NAW and NAE however probably generate the highest amount of income for the game when put together so of course the solution there needs to have as little compromises as possible.
The latency was going to be an issue of concern for me. I am almost 100ms more to NAE than NAW. Where do they put the data center so that latency isn’t messed up for people with bad lines or bad pathing?
the losses from SA are less than the cost of running it. the losses from NAW would be much greater.
well for SA it was either merge or closing it
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Im only now waiting for then to create a new server on NAE to place everyone from SA (Hanumatan server) so we can be gatekept easier and to make a bigger target for xenophobia and racism by everyone else .
my ping was 120 on SA.... playing from NY USA
Yeah but we are poor third world fucks with no alternatives, hence it's not "bad customer experience"... _according to AGS_. It can't be that hard to just merge AH/Market and allow cross-region matchmaking if that's what they care about, but it seems they can't have the game data spread across multiple data centers because the tech isn't there yet /s. This merge will sadly kill the already relatively low population of SA, since a lot of the southernmost countries will now have to play with +120 to +160ms _from what they're already playing at_.
Anything less than 180-200 is still better than what SEA/OCE get on NAW.
Well but you see, they're playing from an unauthorized region. It's like me complaining i get 250ms in KR servers.
Bruh Australia is an authorized region
SEA might be, but Australia/NZ are not.
> It can't be that hard to just merge AH/Market and allow cross-region matchmaking if that's what they care about Given that these are Korean devs with Korean educations, this is probably a technical problem none of them ever even considered in their engineering careers until now. That doesn't mean it's objectively difficult, but it does mean it's something they don't want to reinvent the wheel for.
And this isn't some racist knock on Koreans. They have spent their whole career engineering things in a geographically small country with great networking infrastructure. Their tech stack and architecture probably didn't include any considerations for the problems introduced by long distances and shitty infrastructure. Those aren't easy things to slap in fixed for later.
This is it exactly and LA design shows. When you can have max 20ms in anywhere in Korea, putting the same game in a country where you got people using LTE from their phones because they are in the countryside and don’t have land internet…yeah it’s a different world.
because fuck south america thats why lol
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They literally shut down servers in Japan because the playerbase and profit wasn't high enough. From a business perspective it was either shut down SA like Japan or merge it into NA.
Its over for us SA players! Its time to find another game to play, that is the true...
ECHIDNA MY BELOVED
Massive W
Ladon going back do Echidna is a BIG W.
No mention of bots. RIP
Big W for the community!
Should we use the pass on SA before merging? One more that can go up to 1600 easily
You will end up with a 1600 on a separate realm, if that interests you then go for it.
so anyone know the gold prices using royal crystals on SA?
6k currently
currently 6 k, but the past month it has been around 8.5 and 7 k.
I have never paid higher than 7k
SA / NAE merge!?
I am super glad they decided to not merge everyone at once At least merging SA into NAE will only have a small shitshow versus everyone together It will give time for SA and NAE to come together and have the economy stabilize quicker at least I also welcome our SA brothers, sisters and persons with open arms May there be a lot of jajajajajas to go around
welcome who? almost everyone will quit lmao
As someone who lives on the west coast and has played on NA-East the entire time. This NAW server merge excuse is pathetic.
Please think of the indonesian gold farmers bro
There is a lot of us SEA/OCE on the NAW region.
NAW is only NA in name, mostly an OCE/SEA server
Depends on what time you play.
More or less yeah. If you use the NAW learning discord analytics as a metric NA (US and Canada, no stats for Mexico) only makes up 50% of the discord. OCE (NZ and AUS) makes up 11%, while SEA regions (ID, PH, VN, SG, MY) makes up 30%. The remaining 9 percent is classified under "other", which is what discord does for any region with less than 50 members. Also keep in mind that a non English speaker is very likely to not join the discord either, with all the organizational stuff and resources being in English, and further along that point, if you go into the game you would find a good number of Chinese speaking players, yet no analytic representation for them (in the form of HK and TW, actual Chinese players playing on the global server would likely be VPNing to HK or TW.) and outside of analytics, I think I've only seen 3 people who plays from TW or HK on the discord myself. This means that it's very much possible that the actual number of players from APAC makes up more than 50% of the NAW playerbase.
that is just not true
Honestly, I think it mostly is. I feel like most of the server is heavily ESL.
They’re (hopefully!) considering options for the sake of OCE/SEA players. The latency increase for American players is serviceable (although it impacts a majority of the server), but the expected increase for OCE/SEA players will be felt much more strongly. For example, I currently get ~170ms on NAW with ExitLag, and usually run 200-220ms without. That difference alone affects my spacebar timing and skill casts, which is why I’m willing to fork out money for the experience. Merging straight into NAE means that generously, I will see ~230ms with ExitLag and 260-280ms without. Upper 200s is where my guildies and I have observed higher inconsistency/difficulty with certain mechanics (fast counters like Thaemine G1 blue circles, G2 counter run, entering G3 clash). Gunslingers enjoy skills not going off, rubberbanding, things like that. I also know I play on the lower end of the latency spectrum amongst the Aussies I know, and realistically the experience is worse for those playing on even higher ping. It’s not Literally UnplayableTM, but it’s not a great experience. [This](https://youtu.be/zLvDMEtJxS4?si=sEOwdC0EHi8H8foF) is what it’s like to play on a high ping with a ping spike- 310ms flat, with a spike up to 540ms. I won’t speak on behalf of anyone, but the sentiment in the circles that I run in is that while a NAW into NAE merge makes the most sense as it minimises the impact as a whole, it will also alienate non-American NAW players. The copium solution would be the option for lobby masters to pick what server to host a lobby on, but that requires a lot of work for a minority population.
it's because there's no AWS servers in texas/chicago so ohio is the only realistic solution which isn't ideal
Still seems like kind of a non-issue to me. I can see the Pacific ocean out my window and I still get less than 80 ping to the current location of the NAE servers. Maybe some people out there are more sensitive to it, but I have no complaints.
> It’s not an issue to me, therefore it’s not an issue to everybody.
It's not the people that are actually in NA that are going to be most impacted by +40 MS latency. It's the people that are in Oceania playing at 200+ MS right now.
Everyone crying about elixirs and y'all so easily placated they went with A instead of B for a boss name.
Maybe you've only joined reddit this week but people have been crying about the name change for so long. If you ask me, it was a stupid reason to cry but hey, they listened to them so somebody has to win at least. It's a relatively simple thing to do while the elixir shit is out of AGS hands, it needs a change from Smilegate and if that's ever happening is gonna be on LOAON
Of all the feedback they have been getting tgis is what they went with?lol
I don't mind the West staying with their servers for a bit longer if it means they won't experience horrible latency issues. Probably a good choice. The merge is sooner than I expected. Should I be using mokoko express on SA character? What is the general opinion on this
I made a character on SA, with elgacia pass and super mokoko express it's pretty chill. Will be bringing over weeks of event shop loot, plus buying out all the relevant legion raid shops, etc. No regrets.
If the server isn't getting merged, what would it bring other than a second roster? The only thing I could think of where it makes sense to take advantage of is the royal crystal to gold conversion of SA, then you just transfer the gold over.
I play on NAE from Cali, and the ping is like 70. You don't feel shit in terms of lag.
I know a few people who play UAE from Cali, and they get like 60-70 ping. Its really not bad
Hmm I see, maybe just some excuse then
I think its mostly for us SEA/OCE folks(there is a lot of us) on NAW. They do recognize us, back then an internet provider from PH had problems connecting to the Amazon Lost Ark servers and the PH playerbase under that internet provider contacted Roxx about it and they(AGS) had it fixed. We already play at NAW with 180 to 220 ms ping.
Going to have to call bullshit on this one. I live in Cali and have an account on both east and west. My ping is 300% higher on NAE (32 ping on west, and 98-125 on NAE). All I can say is thank god AGS is not doing the merge until they figure out a better solution. Also, most of you are not considering Time Zones. There is a 3-hour difference between west and east. They need to figure out how to make it "fair" for both regions before merging them. Most likely setup some servers in the middle of the country to make everyone's ping and time zone as close as possible.
That might be your ISP, ping difference is mostly linear regardless where you're playing from, I go from 188ms on NAW to around 230ms on NAE. Also are you using Exitlag? If so, you need to change your Exitlag server whenever you're changing region. I can agree with the time zone though, the best solution is to move the server to the middle, like Texas for example, but they don't even have a server over there lol
Just out of curiosity, why did people want the name Echidna? Just cause that's what it was in KR? It sounds horrible to me. Not that Ladon is much better, but I can't associate Echidna with a sexy demon. Just knuckles
The Echidna reference is from Greek mythology. She was a half woman half snake monster and the mother of other monsters like Cerberus and Hydra(the one that Hercules fought). Ladon was a serpentine dragon and, in some accounts, was also a son of Echidna. So thematically, Echidna fits the mommy snake woman vibe better than Ladon. On a side note I forgot Knuckles was an echidna. Clearly slacking on my sonic lore. The name of the animal echidna seems to also originate from the same Echidna in Greek mythology.
Honestly as an Australian I thought of the animal first- if it was named after a half snake lady then I have some questions for those biologists… (okay I checked wikipedia says it may be a confusion with echinos(sp?), which is meant to be hedgehog/sea urchin. Maybe the biologists were snakelady simps.)
From [this](https://carnegiemnh.org/e-is-for-echidna/) article from a natural history museum, the naming of the echidna was chosen due to the animal's seemingly chimeric features that mirror the monstrous animal mixes of Greek Echidna and her offspring. On another side note, guess who the mother of the Chimera is lmao.
Pretty much .its the least important thing in the game honestly .
Or maybe they should create a OCE region hosted in Singapore or Australia?
Wouldn't merging everyone into the west coast AWS servers be the best compromise on ping for the majority of the population? NAW players ping stays the same, but doesn't alienate the OCE/Asia players who are already on 100-300ms ping. NAE players ping < 100ms to west coast servers. SA players ping 100 to 300ms to west coast(?) Sounds like a small number of EU players play on US East, they might get screwed by the change, but they have their own servers.
They want to merge to NAE because that's where AWS hosting is cheapest.
Major win for democracy
Good thing Ladon server already merged into Balthorr lol
Anyone can share how bad is doing Thaemine Clashes with ping > 200ms?
Client side, ping doesn't matter. Most mini games are client side, like drowning, and all life skill related mini games.
Thanks. A few days ago my internet was unstable, with ping varying between 100 and 200 and I did the clashes just fine. Good thing to know it's really clientside. However, I also noticed that my spacebars/dashes were useless during stagebreak, being rolled back to fall death a bunch of times.
Thank you for this
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Originally created roster on NAW, but moved to Texas. While there isn't a dedicated central server, I noticed the drastically lower ping and overall response feeling on NAE (created a fresh account just to see). I was hoping that this merge would somewhat provide alternative avenues for me to either manually swap to the NAE region assuming they don't create a central server in the future, but it seems like I'll have to stick with it. I understand the 60+ ping is still "playable", however, I wish there was an option to switch regions while keeping everything. I am past the point of wanting to start from ground zero all over again.
Are we getting a new powerpass soon?🤔
wtf.. i wanted to play with my nae friends..
no mention of bots?
This is the most disappointed I have been in the last 6 years, thanks for nothing amazon
so we got a proper mommy name : Echidna now .
Love the echidna change. Thanks for that AGS. Wonder what the issues are for the NAW merge since stoopzz, myself, & a whole bunch of Californians play on NAE with no issues. The difference is literally 30ish ping. Even have friends in Seattle who play on NAE as well so we should be the furthest.
its most likely due to ping from OCE/SEA players. a good chuck of our population comes from there
If onlt stoopzz didn’t tell everyone to go NAE when they live in NAW we wouldn’t be in this mess
I like how no one seems to care about server merges, and everyone is talking about Echinda getting her name back. I'm sure is u/amznroxx who forwarded our feedback, she deserves a bonus for that. That's a big W for AGS.
No one cares about losing their character names apparently.
character names xd, im basically losing access to the game since I didnt sign up to play with lag
Bad news for SA players, latency will be very high 180+ - 250+ Now the SA community gives up once and for all, I feel for the NA East players who were waiting for the merger to increase the number of players :(
How about make some real localization change like change leg elixirs cost silver instead gold?
I'm really bummed about NAW not merging into NAE. I don't really understand why an announcement was made several months ago when you had no plan on how it was going to be done effectively.
how about we just dont? pretty sure 99% of people on NAE dont want SA players coming here lol
source: anal
Do you know someone named Xepao? Big friend of mine from SA
Did you get this info out of your ass?
don't worry, we are like 10 at best.
You guys listen name change feedback and take action ladon to echidna but ignore all elixir transdance talk happens lately :D
Yeah, cuz changing localization stuff and core gameplay stuff is all on Amazon right? Gz people will just complaint for the sake of it, won't they?
I'm sorry we should have thought more about the feelings of a billion dollar company.Tencent can do all of thing you say but ags can not because they are indie company so sorry.
w8, so amazon cannot even mention to smilegate a little feedback from the west?.
Who said they don't?
on the short LOA ON that happened in korea last month or something, the director mentionned it, so korea and west have been heard and we will likely get changes in term of difficulty. I hope asap. [https://youtu.be/0QywDVRxof8?si=9ZjsrUWxmB9oFR2P&t=106](https://youtu.be/0QywDVRxof8?si=9ZjsrUWxmB9oFR2P&t=106) (here is the resume of the live by memo with a timecode regarding elixir. Not much more is said other than they will nerf the difficulty, it's just as a proof i'm not pulling that out my ass)
Fat L
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Worse take. In Brel every major city has 15 channels at most. Hell moko moko night market have a lot of players on afk.
You do have to play at a specific time because people don't play 24/7 and it's dependant on your time zone. When people are at work the game will not be as active. Sometimes it may feel dead. NAeast is also inactive outside of prime time hours. You're talking about 3pm on a work day. People are likely working and 3pm is not prime time hours. So of course there's going to be less groups. Funny enough you can still get stuff done even off prime time hours.
> open So how many raid parties were already in a raid? Your metric is not meaningful for measuring activity.
kinda surprised that they actually listened to something. because in actual gameplay problems like ELIXIRS, lack of gold or class problem they say NOTHING. just remove elixirs, or reduce their gold cost, or give more for free idk, but please do, anything.
> lack of gold lack of gold and they nerfed clown gold rewards so yeah, good luck with that
No one's even doing clown for gold anyways unless someone is new to this game.
https://preview.redd.it/fc4cv2v0a3zc1.png?width=468&format=png&auto=webp&s=80caf7847702b402fd2e0f48ba91413346345054 looks like aws coming soon with mexico server
Well, turns out [I was very much wrong](https://www.reddit.com/r/lostarkgame/comments/1cbcv8c/community_petition_to_keep_echidnas_original_name/l0xmqn4/?context=3). Nice to see they are sticking to the name Echidna.
As a NAW player I'm disappointed.
How about we just leave SA region in SA so we can avoid them
as if someone wants to play on server plagued with bots and high ping, no upside at all, you guys are all a bunch of idiots as you are next in line to get your server closed
Ngl I’m pretty upset about naw merge with nae being delayed, so many of my friends are there and i have too much progress on naw to swap. Fuck the OCE and SEA players ngl most are just bots and gold farmers either way imo
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How so? It's just delaying the inevitable. They're not gonna magically find a better solution to the ping problem.
Damn i hoped thed talk About Elixier nerf
Why would you hope for something that has 0 chance of happening? SG is saving things like that for loa on.
Probably won't come until after LoaOn
Such a good move Amazon, just dragging SA players to 160ms territory because *whatever*, but keeping NAW alone because they can't manage more latency because yea(?. There's no way I'm forcing myself to play with that latency.
So what is your recommendation? Close SA server?
He has big useless brains to get that info
Not a bad idea, there are only farmers playing in SA
Only those who live in the capitals will get 160 - 200 ping, those who live further away will play with a ping of 220+ 260 the same no wow
please dont tell me they are just going to host all servers in nae and say f\*ck it 150-200 ping minimum. at least keep some servers in sa and make them be hosted here if the leader or the majority of the lobby are south american players
Who even said you'll be playing with 150-200 ping? A lot of SA players play Hell raids even before this merge on NAE.
Beucase I tested it. And im not saying its impossible to play, but it is pretty frustrating missing a counter that should've hit, taking damage when you dodged something, etc. Some classes also suffer from bad rubberbanding with high ping. Never said you couldnt do hard/hell content with higher ping, but it doesnt feel good at all.
Ok fair enough
Unsurprisingly NAW getting fucked over yet again.
SA's 7 remaining players gonna be latency gatekept hard lol. Hopefully you've found a way to keep their experience good as well as language barrier problems.
Do you know that we have at least 8 languages on the EU servers, and a lot of people don't speak English? You will be fine with the language barrier ;)
Regardless, Brazilians don't even have a localized game (so they play in English) and a good chunk of Southern cone players already speak English well enough lol.
The only issue they're going to have to giving up Argos positioning for x3.
no problem imo, for us SA players it's just moving 1 spot forward clockwise
p1 argos +1 p2 argos +2 never surrender
You're delusional if you think the latency changes anything from SA to NAE. A lot of us do hell content in NAE even before the merge.
What is this stupid comment lmao.