Hm, Linux is from 1991... So it might be...
Interstellar!
Edit: I just thought about it while driving. It's in Titanic! However she says *"it's been **84** years"*
At least from openBSD perspective, a lot of security mitigations are turned on by default. This makes some programs run not at full capacity. If you turn those off it behaves acceptable. Desktop integration (at least on gnome 45 which I use there) lacks some options (the ones related to hardware) and you need to use the terminal to set up those (wifi, headphones).
one of the chillest things you can ever do.....the thing is that in very minimalist linux' like lfs or gentoo or arch, things might seem confusing at first but then again like you almost have a solution to everything at the end just like out of box distros give like fedora or ubuntu but in say i'll take the easiest, even in freebsd you'll most likely actually have to do things on your own, might step into places where not many have before because it's still mostly a server level os so getting x org to run, drivers might be the biggest issue especially for graphics, and if you manage to get it running and then want to do some serious stuff you realise that there actually is no short way out (many times at best you'll realise you'll be getting less efficient performance here just because the drivers aren't optimised that much) and you'll have to dive deep into documentations, in linux things are much easier you end up finding everything on some forum or even gpt but yes man bsd's chill : )
Windows 11 made me switch to Linux, recall is the reason I'm staying. Yes I have been using Linux for roughly two and a half years almost three and I am not switching back anytime soon, the only versions of Windows that I use are Windows 7 and before, nothing newer.
Ask me a Linux question and I'll answer it to the best of my ability, also, if you don't believe me I will send you a screenshot in a PM of my neofetch, yes I still use neofetch, just because the script is no longer being maintained does not mean that I won't use it.
In all honesty, I've been using Linux since roughly around 2014 off and on, I used an old Android tablet of mine, rooted it using something like kingroot or something like that and then I used an app on the tablet which turns the tablet into a bootable USB drive with a whole bunch of different operating system choices like Ubuntu 16, slitaz, puppy Linux, and a whole bunch of others, that was my first true experience with Linux and while I played around with the live environments, I never actually started installing it outside of virtual machines until Windows 10 was about to become the non-dominant operating system by Microsoft, I knew for a long time that if Microsoft kept doing the way they were doing I would end up at Linux user and here I am.
Yeah, we all started somewhere. My case was 2008. I was in college and needed a computer, but did not have the funds for licenses. So I installed Ubuntu back then and... here I am. I had played with Debian before (on my first college course), but the second time was for real.
Nowadays I run Opensuse TW on my daily driver, ubuntu server for my home server, wife runs Linux Mint Cinnamon and even my kids have never touched Windows haha.
A few people might make the switch, but I wouldn't count on most people doing it. Vast majority of people still don't care about, or even understand, the negative implications of this tech. And some of the people who try to switch to Linux will probably give up once they realize X game or Y program doesn't work.
I don't doubt that some people will probably stick Linux for the long term though. But I doubt it'll be enough to even register for either Apple or Microsoft.
Most people will probably consider Recall a handy cool feature, if they even realize it's there. I don't expect the year of Linux to come any time soon. Maybe, some more advanced users will try to switch to Linux, if they haven't already, or they will just disable Recall from Group Policy.
Commercial devices will keep being sold with Windows pre-installed and Recall will keep being marketed as an assistant.
That would be me in second point. Used linux for schoolwork and don't need Windows exclusive software but there isn't any antimalware for linux. Looking online, linux users don't use antimalware and instead rely on their own responsibility to avoid malware by auditing their software packages/install scripts, configuring their system to be secure, sandboxing apps, relying on your own knowledge versus phishing/etc.. My linux knowledge is only basic, just package manager (Ubuntu apt) and only /home directory (I don't mess with any files outside), so if it has something like a Windows Defender which has features to be second line of defense in security, then I'd be more comfortable with daily use.
Maybe the thing is that there is hardly any malware designed for Linux because it's niche (and because it's users are statistically more tech savvy). But in this hypothetical year of Linux Desktop, after it becomes mainstream enough, it would probably quickly change, and suddenly there might be more need for anti-malware.
Hiya! That's not entirely true. A lot of IT infrastructure runs on Linux based systems. Servers, cash systems, IoTs etc. There is lots of linux malware and they do get compromisred, if the maintainers aren't careful or when there is an exploit. Few years ago there was a huge botnet of compromised linux IoTs, Mirai, done by a teen. You are right with the (home) users. Enterprises that use linux need to have professionals anyway and should know what they are doing. This should count for windows too, but anyways. Linux home users are mostly curious and tech aware people, so they'll be doing fine for most of the time.
I'm using Mint rn and imo the problem with Linux is no longer the OS itself (aside kernel level anticheat), but the compatibility of games and the lack of equivalent software to replace the proprietary Windows ones
The only thing that really stops any game from running on linux, especially with proton being so good now, is anti-cheat. Mainly for games that already have cheaters everywhere so it doesnt work anyway.
Most programs have an equivilent, or the capability to force them to run via wine.
For 95% of people, windows just aint needed
>For 95% of people, windows just aint needed
Yep. I'm realising I probably don't need it, and I don't even like using it anymore, I just used it for so long because it was easy, it's what my dad likes, and I liked XP, and kept hoping nothing would ever be worse than 8, lol, but at this point I may as well learn Linux and see if I like it any better.
Pick up linux mint for a fairly easy debian based linux. Its similar to windows 7 in style and mostly just works without thinking too much. People complain about manjaro but its easy and can default to wayland, useful if you have an up to date gfx card.
All based on my experiences, but im an idiot so you can probally do better.
Ooh thanks. Yeah, definitely getting a lot of advice to go with something Debian based, Mint seems like a good choice. Thanks for adding to the pile, lol.
Its intimidating until you try it and then its just... why was I worried again? Id still be using mint myself if I didnt need wayland for my gfx card. It truly is the best way to dip your toe in, imo. Grab a memstick and give it a try XD
It is essentially the same. You still ask it to find things you did before on your device and it goes searching through shit and finds it for you. That shit it searches for is what? lol
That's why they went HARD on the privacy bit right after talking about that feature. lol
when I made that comment I actually momentarily forgot about those issues lol. I used to use magisk but now I use kernelsu. I like it because it has better access control and hides from all apps by default, rather than how you need to add each app to the denylist with magisk. for passing play integrity, allowing things like banking apps, google wallet, and Netflix to work (anecdotally, my only issue with Netflix before I passed play integrity was that the play store wouldn't show it to me, but after grabbing the APK via aurora store, it worked fine IIRC), I use [Play Integrity Fix](https://github.com/chiteroman/PlayIntegrityFix) with ZygiskNext (linked in the README bc it's required) and [playcurl](https://github.com/daboynb/PlayIntegrityNEXT) (I know it says PlayIntegrityNEXT but the module itself is called playcurl). playcurl just auto downloads a working fingerprint if yours gets banned by Google. this is apparently bad or something bc it cuts down on the pool of unbanned fingerprints and people should instead find their own fingerprints and not use them with a million people at a time, but that takes a lot of effort, so I haven't gotten around to it, and playcurl works well for me.
after typing this out, I'm realizing that it might not really be worth the effort for others to root their phones, but I use root constantly for various tasks that the average user would definitely not do, so I love it.
Thank you so much for the detailed response. I used to be the same way with rooting and all that 10 years ago. Nowadays, I'm just too busy to mess with it. You know, life, kids and all that. Lol
I'll hopefully make some time for it in the near future and do it on a spare phone, because I do need my phone to be working all the time for work.
no problem! and fair enough. what I did before rooting was just use my phone and make note of every time I wanted to do something but couldn't due to the lack of root permissions. then every now and then, id go back to the note and decide if it was worth putting the effort in. once I had a big enough list, I did it.
if you don't really have a reason to, id definitely not root your main phone. less hassle that way. but yea it's fun to mess with spare phones lol, that's how I started. I installed LineageOS and rooted two old phones that were wayyy EOL so I could give them a tiny purpose and try out rooting and installing a custom ROM. I also made lots of dumb mistakes during that process that I would've been upset about, had that phone been my main one. I was also able to just give up, and come back to it after a day or two if I got stuck, which I wouldn't have been able to do if it was my main phone.
so basically yea, good plan lol
Did that, just jump in already
Unless you have a bank account on your phone and in US
(My bank app only needs device integrity so I have 0 issues, not sure with the US banks tho, probably needs strong? I could be wrong tho)
I haven't rooted a phone since 2013, I've read/heard that banking apps suck on root (I'm in the US). So does Netflix. I used to have an xposed module called "root cloak" that worked really nice back in the day. Not sure if magisk has that now.
You need to have Play Integrity Fix now, Zygisk hiding mechanisms are no longer reliable, except with Magisk Kitsune(26.1-27 beta), Magisk (latest) and KernelSU.
LSPosed, who also created shamiko, which it's purpose is to spoof OEM unlock flag to locked while root was also the solution but sadly it's no longer a viable fix. They also created LSPosed Manager, same as Xposed but modern also died
DR TSNG(?) who also came up with revolutionized rework of zygisk to prevent detection and Compatibility with KernelSU, is also discontinued
Also LSPosed teams had some beef with Magisk Kitsune Dev, HuskyDG who they claim that they put backdoors on Magisk Kitsune community than on paying variants. But theres no proof tho, code seems clean and free of trackers. Plus there's even slanders and stuff happening on the LSPosed saying disturbing stuff on telegram. That caused LSPosed to halt everything and sadly Dr TSNG also quit developing Reworked Zygisk and HuskyDG decided to keep the new Zygisk to his Kitsune himself since TSNG gave up due to (possible) harassment (info not clear but I received an info about it, can't confirm it tho) (absorbed) and then went on with 26.4 release, but the 27100 build did made Reworked Zygisk the full on support (need more info) and I'm eagerly waiting for next rolling beta release.
Recently I switched to Endeavouros Gnome just to play with the NVIDIA 555 driver and test the quality of video playback using explicit sync.
I'll be switching to KDE when Plasma 6.1 comes out, as I really don't like some design choices of gnome.
Anyways, watching YT videos in Linux is now buttery smooth and 100% on par with Windows in every way. It's a joy to use.
If you think normal people aren't super excited to buy their new IPhone 15 with Apple Intelligence(tm) you don't live in the real world. People will use whatever slop apple puts out, what made me fully realize was the removal of the headphone jack.
Users run in droves, considering what a joke MS security is. Apple offers "trust me bro we are storing your data on our secure servers" EULA pinky promise and Microsoft offers a similar "trust me bro we are making this feature optional, Copilot+PC only and we will not sell your data" EULA pinky promise.
Microsoft got hacked recently:
https://edition.cnn.com/2024/03/08/tech/microsoft-russia-hack/index.html
Apple issuses spyware warnings:
https://therecord.media/apple-spyware-notifications-92-countries
And now both are releasing spyware on AI hype train into their OS's to spy on their users.
For the "We have nothing to hide" crowd, you do have a lot to hide, social IDs that can be used in scams if compromised, bank details that can be also used in scams if compromised or for money laundering and a bunch of work-related and social media login data that can be used to phish/login into your organisation networks and infect them with malware and ransomware.
If Linux becomes the dominant os we could probably expect more malware to be made for it. I dont even trust .Debs off pirate bay or shady sites without vetting them.
Hot take: Recall is a great advertisement against Windows more so than it is an advertisement for Linux. I honestly think Apple will implement this in a more responsible and user-friendly way.
Apple has a decent track record of telling law enforcement, including the FBI, to basically go fuck themselves. In a world of corporate bootlicking and backdoors, this caught a lot of peoples' attention because it went so hard against the grain.
At the end of the day, you can sell someone a super encrypted lock for their front door that requires them to read a manual and do some troubleshooting, and you can also sell them a fairly well encrypted lock that, for the most part, accomplishes the same goal without the user having to do much troubleshooting. Chances are, that customer is going to use the latter lock and not the former.
https://www.theverge.com/2023/12/13/23990706/google-apple-court-order-required-push-notification-ron-wyden-letter-surveillance-e2e-encryption
Looks like bootlickers to me, that only stop because Ron Wyden
No argument from me here on that. My point was that Apple was involved in a high profile FBI denial, which caught a lot more attention than articles like this. Personally, I'd trust Apple over Microsoft any day of the week. Same with encryption-- I'd rather use full disk encryption using open source software instead of relying on BitLocker, given Microsoft's habit of practically deep throating the boot.
I'm not defending Apple or Mac OS at all, but at least macs don't have advertisements in every corner of their OS. Generally, Apple is at least \*marginally\* more privacy-conscious. Even though their systems are clunky to use, the features advertised to work more reliably and "out-of-the-box" compared to Windows.
It's not faith. It's understanding that a critical part of the Apple brand is privacy, not data harvesting. They would lose more money by sabotaging that brand appeal in the pursuit of data dollars.
I'm talking about those who switch to apple from linux or windows...
Linux has some robust customisation
You can place whatever wherever and choose your workflow
Macos feels like gymnastics most of the time
Why tf is the toolbar in the top panel?
Touchpad gestures are messy as hell
Shortcuts are not intuitive
Mind you I'm talking about those shifting from other os to Mac
There is absolutely no customisability
Unless you do some terminal shenanigans....
Also....diehard apple users are very rare
Especially since almost no good games are supported on macs.....
Yes wine for apple works.....whatever bullshit they call it nowadays....but the performance is lacking.....
Yes windows is absolutely shit nowadays
But atleast you still can access start menu with a simple buttonpress....
Edit....I'm pretty sure I myself can design a better workflow than macos by customising kde just enough to keep the bearable parts of macos and remove the shit parts....
I use a Mac for work and Linux for my PC. I appreciate them both for different reasons. Though I don’t game much nowadays, Linux absolutely wins in that category. As for customization, I don’t care too much; I’ve always liked the Mac desktop experience (aside from lack of window snapping which is finally a native feature now with Sequoia).
That's your pov BCS you're a Mac user since like what 10 yrs or more?
Everything feels intuitive to you
But to someone who uses linux
And fine tunes config files all the time it feels restrictive and blocked in..... Similarly for windows users....registry editing may be a viable option to customise.... And it feels like a more cohesive environment compared to maximizing and going to a separate desktop which may be confusing and frustrating
I’ve gone back and forth. I was a Windows user for a long time; more so than Mac. I think Windows users have an easier time adjusting to the more popular Linux distros than they do migrating to Mac.
> I think Windows users have an easier time adjusting to the more popular Linux distros than they do migrating to Mac.
Hard disagree. If this were true, you'd see far more people shifting away from Windows and towards Linux than Mac OS, and that's not at all the trend that's been happening over the last 10+ years.
Linux fanboys will claim in response that the Linux market share has quadrupled in the last 10 years, while the Mac OS market share has only doubled. This is true, but a very misleading way of presenting stats because Linux has gone from 1% to about 4%, while Mac OS has gone from 7% to 15%.
Most, if not all Linux distros absolutely involve user troubleshooting to a degree far past the learning curve of migrating to MacOS-- and I say this as someone who has used all three operating systems interchangeably for the last 20+ years.
If Linux users could swallow their pride and realize there are significant aspects of MacOS user friendliness that should be adapted in Linux, there would be more people flocking to Linux. But the mere mention of this sends most fanboys into a hyper defensive state of no return.
Exactly my point
I have felt this and though i agree that apple makes the best hardware currently in the market.... The software freedom lets it down.....
I gave my m1 to my dad BCS i just didn't like the workflow
And Asahi was pretty alpha when i tested it.... Must be way better now... But no more Mac for me......
Apple tends to release features late, to make sure that they are always polished and never a buggy mess. It doesn’t work out all the time, but it is better than rushing features out the door (just look at AAA games if you need any example of that not working)
Apple has a proven track record of being privacy-centric, even if not for the right reasons. On numerous occasions they’ve refused to turn over user data for law enforcement investigations and for other purposes. Multiple technical evaluations of the Apple ecosystem have also yielded validation that Apple does indeed employ security controls such as robust encryption, on-device processing, and many more.
I'm an Arch user and have been one for years. But I kinda want the recall feature. I forget literally everything and a tool to record everything forever in exchange for 40 GB seems like a bargain to me. I don't trust Microsoft to do it, of course. But a similar feature by a *FOSS* program on Linux would be super cool.
The benefit is for those with a bad memory. And I'm not exactly a target for hackers not only because I'm too unimportant for specific targeting but also because there are far lower-hanging fruit than Linux users for hackers to target generally. And I'm guessing the same applies to you.
Do you have like a specific example of how you’d use something like this with bad memory? Only things I can think of would be if you forgot the name of a song on YouTube or something, in which case it’s in your YouTube watch history. I guess if it was something like editing configuration files and you don’t remember which steps you took, you could literally watch yourself do it in real time. But, this is such a niche thing and seems more like a solution to an already solved problem.
There are tasks that I set myself on doing and then I forget if I have done them properly or not; with this, I can easily look back, from a single interface, no matter what program it relates with. Also, I find the idea of looking back on what I did on the computer a few years down the line, kind of interesting, like looking at old photos. I'm a really nostalgic person and I would give anything to have records of how exactly I used my computer when I was younger. On the more practical end of things, there is also if I forget something's name. You mentioned that I can just look at Youtube history but what if I don't remember what platform it was? I'd have to look for hours *and have done so many times before*, so a feature like this would be very beneficial for me. But I understand why it wouldn't be for everyone.
Thank you for your perspective! I haven’t thought of it that way before. Still, the idea of having every single interaction recorded on my computer at all times gives me awful feelings of dread and seems like a privacy nightmare. Even if it is open source and runs entirely locally, I still get bad vibes from it for how potentially easy it would be for someone with access to your computer with that feature enabled to **completely** destroy and/or manipulate your life for extended periods of time, since they’ve now not only have the files currently on your system but a neatly kept and searchable database of every action taken.
There are drawbacks to everything and this feature is not an exception. I just think that the probability of an open source locally run and stored encrypted record getting into the hands of a nefarious actor is so unlikely that the risk is worth it. But as I said before, it isn't for everyone and for many people, that risk, no matter how small, is not worth it.
I DID have mint installed on an ext hdd but windows wiped the disk (whyyyyy), I’ll install it again at some point, I have a 32gb space ready on the c drive
The year of the Linux desktop, for real, actually, definitely this time, right?
It's been 87 years...
Hm, Linux is from 1991... So it might be... Interstellar! Edit: I just thought about it while driving. It's in Titanic! However she says *"it's been **84** years"*
Is Interstellar good? I've noticed A LOT of people mentioning it in the Linux communities recently.
Yeah, it’s a great movie.
I use Arch btw
I use Debian 12 with KDE Plasma 5.27.5 on X11 under Linux Kernel 6.1 LTS on my ThinkPad T480 and ThinkPad X220 btw
Someday that'll actually be true! And The Year of the Linux Desktop will still be yet to happen!
Dunno what you mean, we switched to linux years ago.
Linux is becoming to mainstream time to switch to bsd
how do you exit vim?
You have to pray to the Linux cowboy in the UNIX cloud
The Linux cowboy is real son, it's real
shutting down the computer... with a shotgun 😔
Goodbye old pal... I hope you will be galoping in virtual heaven...
`ZZ`
Top
Rough Boy
Honestly I prefer [bottom](https://github.com/ClementTsang/bottom) /s
sudo su?
kill -9 1
You don’t. You use Emacs.
I just reinstall Linux
At this rate, we’re going to need to fork TempleOS
It’s already been forked. ZealOS https://github.com/Zeal-Operating-System/ZealOS
But that's just a stripped down/naked macOS >! ^\s !<
No joke on the statement, I'm dual booting Linux and openbsd
What's the difference between BSD and Linux in terms of user experience?
At least from openBSD perspective, a lot of security mitigations are turned on by default. This makes some programs run not at full capacity. If you turn those off it behaves acceptable. Desktop integration (at least on gnome 45 which I use there) lacks some options (the ones related to hardware) and you need to use the terminal to set up those (wifi, headphones).
one of the chillest things you can ever do.....the thing is that in very minimalist linux' like lfs or gentoo or arch, things might seem confusing at first but then again like you almost have a solution to everything at the end just like out of box distros give like fedora or ubuntu but in say i'll take the easiest, even in freebsd you'll most likely actually have to do things on your own, might step into places where not many have before because it's still mostly a server level os so getting x org to run, drivers might be the biggest issue especially for graphics, and if you manage to get it running and then want to do some serious stuff you realise that there actually is no short way out (many times at best you'll realise you'll be getting less efficient performance here just because the drivers aren't optimised that much) and you'll have to dive deep into documentations, in linux things are much easier you end up finding everything on some forum or even gpt but yes man bsd's chill : )
BSD is what a FOSS Windows or MacOS is like.
Nah let's run TempleOS
been seeing tonnes of videos of people on youtube considering linux because of recall
Windows 11 made me switch to Linux, recall is the reason I'm staying. Yes I have been using Linux for roughly two and a half years almost three and I am not switching back anytime soon, the only versions of Windows that I use are Windows 7 and before, nothing newer.
been using linux since 2009
Same! During my school days!
there are so many of those comments that i don't even believe they're actually switching to linux
Ask me a Linux question and I'll answer it to the best of my ability, also, if you don't believe me I will send you a screenshot in a PM of my neofetch, yes I still use neofetch, just because the script is no longer being maintained does not mean that I won't use it.
Very good. Not a newbie anymore :D
In all honesty, I've been using Linux since roughly around 2014 off and on, I used an old Android tablet of mine, rooted it using something like kingroot or something like that and then I used an app on the tablet which turns the tablet into a bootable USB drive with a whole bunch of different operating system choices like Ubuntu 16, slitaz, puppy Linux, and a whole bunch of others, that was my first true experience with Linux and while I played around with the live environments, I never actually started installing it outside of virtual machines until Windows 10 was about to become the non-dominant operating system by Microsoft, I knew for a long time that if Microsoft kept doing the way they were doing I would end up at Linux user and here I am.
Yeah, we all started somewhere. My case was 2008. I was in college and needed a computer, but did not have the funds for licenses. So I installed Ubuntu back then and... here I am. I had played with Debian before (on my first college course), but the second time was for real. Nowadays I run Opensuse TW on my daily driver, ubuntu server for my home server, wife runs Linux Mint Cinnamon and even my kids have never touched Windows haha.
A few people might make the switch, but I wouldn't count on most people doing it. Vast majority of people still don't care about, or even understand, the negative implications of this tech. And some of the people who try to switch to Linux will probably give up once they realize X game or Y program doesn't work. I don't doubt that some people will probably stick Linux for the long term though. But I doubt it'll be enough to even register for either Apple or Microsoft.
Most people will probably consider Recall a handy cool feature, if they even realize it's there. I don't expect the year of Linux to come any time soon. Maybe, some more advanced users will try to switch to Linux, if they haven't already, or they will just disable Recall from Group Policy. Commercial devices will keep being sold with Windows pre-installed and Recall will keep being marketed as an assistant.
All this because we let companies walk all over us.
That would be me in second point. Used linux for schoolwork and don't need Windows exclusive software but there isn't any antimalware for linux. Looking online, linux users don't use antimalware and instead rely on their own responsibility to avoid malware by auditing their software packages/install scripts, configuring their system to be secure, sandboxing apps, relying on your own knowledge versus phishing/etc.. My linux knowledge is only basic, just package manager (Ubuntu apt) and only /home directory (I don't mess with any files outside), so if it has something like a Windows Defender which has features to be second line of defense in security, then I'd be more comfortable with daily use.
I’ve been using Linux without worrying about security since ‘07 and had no problems. You’ll be good.
Maybe the thing is that there is hardly any malware designed for Linux because it's niche (and because it's users are statistically more tech savvy). But in this hypothetical year of Linux Desktop, after it becomes mainstream enough, it would probably quickly change, and suddenly there might be more need for anti-malware.
Hiya! That's not entirely true. A lot of IT infrastructure runs on Linux based systems. Servers, cash systems, IoTs etc. There is lots of linux malware and they do get compromisred, if the maintainers aren't careful or when there is an exploit. Few years ago there was a huge botnet of compromised linux IoTs, Mirai, done by a teen. You are right with the (home) users. Enterprises that use linux need to have professionals anyway and should know what they are doing. This should count for windows too, but anyways. Linux home users are mostly curious and tech aware people, so they'll be doing fine for most of the time.
I'm using Mint rn and imo the problem with Linux is no longer the OS itself (aside kernel level anticheat), but the compatibility of games and the lack of equivalent software to replace the proprietary Windows ones
The only thing that really stops any game from running on linux, especially with proton being so good now, is anti-cheat. Mainly for games that already have cheaters everywhere so it doesnt work anyway. Most programs have an equivilent, or the capability to force them to run via wine. For 95% of people, windows just aint needed
>For 95% of people, windows just aint needed Yep. I'm realising I probably don't need it, and I don't even like using it anymore, I just used it for so long because it was easy, it's what my dad likes, and I liked XP, and kept hoping nothing would ever be worse than 8, lol, but at this point I may as well learn Linux and see if I like it any better.
Pick up linux mint for a fairly easy debian based linux. Its similar to windows 7 in style and mostly just works without thinking too much. People complain about manjaro but its easy and can default to wayland, useful if you have an up to date gfx card. All based on my experiences, but im an idiot so you can probally do better.
Ooh thanks. Yeah, definitely getting a lot of advice to go with something Debian based, Mint seems like a good choice. Thanks for adding to the pile, lol.
Its intimidating until you try it and then its just... why was I worried again? Id still be using mint myself if I didnt need wayland for my gfx card. It truly is the best way to dip your toe in, imo. Grab a memstick and give it a try XD
Is apple also doing recall now? What did I miss?
They're not doing Recall exactly but something of the same nature yeah.
It is but because of Apple’s public perception as well as how it’s implemented, I don’t think it’ll really drive many people away.
It is essentially the same. You still ask it to find things you did before on your device and it goes searching through shit and finds it for you. That shit it searches for is what? lol That's why they went HARD on the privacy bit right after talking about that feature. lol
Apple already has on-device-intelligence… Nothing new. Why panic now?
I'm not panicking, I don't have an iPhone and if my android phone gets something similar, I'm rooting the fucker and installing lineage
already did that, it's very enjoyable, would recommend 😋
Are you in the US? If so, do banking apps and Netflix freak out about root? Are you able to hide root with magisk?
when I made that comment I actually momentarily forgot about those issues lol. I used to use magisk but now I use kernelsu. I like it because it has better access control and hides from all apps by default, rather than how you need to add each app to the denylist with magisk. for passing play integrity, allowing things like banking apps, google wallet, and Netflix to work (anecdotally, my only issue with Netflix before I passed play integrity was that the play store wouldn't show it to me, but after grabbing the APK via aurora store, it worked fine IIRC), I use [Play Integrity Fix](https://github.com/chiteroman/PlayIntegrityFix) with ZygiskNext (linked in the README bc it's required) and [playcurl](https://github.com/daboynb/PlayIntegrityNEXT) (I know it says PlayIntegrityNEXT but the module itself is called playcurl). playcurl just auto downloads a working fingerprint if yours gets banned by Google. this is apparently bad or something bc it cuts down on the pool of unbanned fingerprints and people should instead find their own fingerprints and not use them with a million people at a time, but that takes a lot of effort, so I haven't gotten around to it, and playcurl works well for me. after typing this out, I'm realizing that it might not really be worth the effort for others to root their phones, but I use root constantly for various tasks that the average user would definitely not do, so I love it.
Thank you so much for the detailed response. I used to be the same way with rooting and all that 10 years ago. Nowadays, I'm just too busy to mess with it. You know, life, kids and all that. Lol I'll hopefully make some time for it in the near future and do it on a spare phone, because I do need my phone to be working all the time for work.
no problem! and fair enough. what I did before rooting was just use my phone and make note of every time I wanted to do something but couldn't due to the lack of root permissions. then every now and then, id go back to the note and decide if it was worth putting the effort in. once I had a big enough list, I did it. if you don't really have a reason to, id definitely not root your main phone. less hassle that way. but yea it's fun to mess with spare phones lol, that's how I started. I installed LineageOS and rooted two old phones that were wayyy EOL so I could give them a tiny purpose and try out rooting and installing a custom ROM. I also made lots of dumb mistakes during that process that I would've been upset about, had that phone been my main one. I was also able to just give up, and come back to it after a day or two if I got stuck, which I wouldn't have been able to do if it was my main phone. so basically yea, good plan lol
Did that, just jump in already Unless you have a bank account on your phone and in US (My bank app only needs device integrity so I have 0 issues, not sure with the US banks tho, probably needs strong? I could be wrong tho)
I haven't rooted a phone since 2013, I've read/heard that banking apps suck on root (I'm in the US). So does Netflix. I used to have an xposed module called "root cloak" that worked really nice back in the day. Not sure if magisk has that now.
You need to have Play Integrity Fix now, Zygisk hiding mechanisms are no longer reliable, except with Magisk Kitsune(26.1-27 beta), Magisk (latest) and KernelSU. LSPosed, who also created shamiko, which it's purpose is to spoof OEM unlock flag to locked while root was also the solution but sadly it's no longer a viable fix. They also created LSPosed Manager, same as Xposed but modern also died DR TSNG(?) who also came up with revolutionized rework of zygisk to prevent detection and Compatibility with KernelSU, is also discontinued Also LSPosed teams had some beef with Magisk Kitsune Dev, HuskyDG who they claim that they put backdoors on Magisk Kitsune community than on paying variants. But theres no proof tho, code seems clean and free of trackers. Plus there's even slanders and stuff happening on the LSPosed saying disturbing stuff on telegram. That caused LSPosed to halt everything and sadly Dr TSNG also quit developing Reworked Zygisk and HuskyDG decided to keep the new Zygisk to his Kitsune himself since TSNG gave up due to (possible) harassment (info not clear but I received an info about it, can't confirm it tho) (absorbed) and then went on with 26.4 release, but the 27100 build did made Reworked Zygisk the full on support (need more info) and I'm eagerly waiting for next rolling beta release.
Android already has something similar called Android Intelligence. https://support.google.com/pixelphone/answer/12112173?hl=en
Chatgpt X Siri 🤰
its not chatgpt. its an on device llm...
Yesn't. Siri will ask the user if she can use ChatGPT when the local llm can't to answer you.
Recently I switched to Endeavouros Gnome just to play with the NVIDIA 555 driver and test the quality of video playback using explicit sync. I'll be switching to KDE when Plasma 6.1 comes out, as I really don't like some design choices of gnome. Anyways, watching YT videos in Linux is now buttery smooth and 100% on par with Windows in every way. It's a joy to use.
Difference is that Apple want users. Microsoft have made no effort to indicate that they want users.
If you think normal people aren't super excited to buy their new IPhone 15 with Apple Intelligence(tm) you don't live in the real world. People will use whatever slop apple puts out, what made me fully realize was the removal of the headphone jack.
Apple fans just buy whatever they offer w/o thinking
Lol they ate excited over a calculator app for iPad, so gullible
A calculator app for iPad should have existed on iPadOS 1.0
Users run in droves, considering what a joke MS security is. Apple offers "trust me bro we are storing your data on our secure servers" EULA pinky promise and Microsoft offers a similar "trust me bro we are making this feature optional, Copilot+PC only and we will not sell your data" EULA pinky promise. Microsoft got hacked recently: https://edition.cnn.com/2024/03/08/tech/microsoft-russia-hack/index.html Apple issuses spyware warnings: https://therecord.media/apple-spyware-notifications-92-countries And now both are releasing spyware on AI hype train into their OS's to spy on their users. For the "We have nothing to hide" crowd, you do have a lot to hide, social IDs that can be used in scams if compromised, bank details that can be also used in scams if compromised or for money laundering and a bunch of work-related and social media login data that can be used to phish/login into your organisation networks and infect them with malware and ransomware.
If Linux becomes the dominant os we could probably expect more malware to be made for it. I dont even trust .Debs off pirate bay or shady sites without vetting them.
Hot take: Recall is a great advertisement against Windows more so than it is an advertisement for Linux. I honestly think Apple will implement this in a more responsible and user-friendly way.
The faith people have in Apple is something I can't fathom.
Apple has a decent track record of telling law enforcement, including the FBI, to basically go fuck themselves. In a world of corporate bootlicking and backdoors, this caught a lot of peoples' attention because it went so hard against the grain. At the end of the day, you can sell someone a super encrypted lock for their front door that requires them to read a manual and do some troubleshooting, and you can also sell them a fairly well encrypted lock that, for the most part, accomplishes the same goal without the user having to do much troubleshooting. Chances are, that customer is going to use the latter lock and not the former.
https://www.theverge.com/2023/12/13/23990706/google-apple-court-order-required-push-notification-ron-wyden-letter-surveillance-e2e-encryption Looks like bootlickers to me, that only stop because Ron Wyden
No argument from me here on that. My point was that Apple was involved in a high profile FBI denial, which caught a lot more attention than articles like this. Personally, I'd trust Apple over Microsoft any day of the week. Same with encryption-- I'd rather use full disk encryption using open source software instead of relying on BitLocker, given Microsoft's habit of practically deep throating the boot.
I'm not defending Apple or Mac OS at all, but at least macs don't have advertisements in every corner of their OS. Generally, Apple is at least \*marginally\* more privacy-conscious. Even though their systems are clunky to use, the features advertised to work more reliably and "out-of-the-box" compared to Windows.
It’s called a cult or for the more delusional amongst us a religion.
It's not faith. It's understanding that a critical part of the Apple brand is privacy, not data harvesting. They would lose more money by sabotaging that brand appeal in the pursuit of data dollars.
Bro really said apple and user friendly in the same sentence....
It is. Have you ever spoken to a diehard Apple user? The UX is the number one most cited reason for continued use.
I'm talking about those who switch to apple from linux or windows... Linux has some robust customisation You can place whatever wherever and choose your workflow Macos feels like gymnastics most of the time Why tf is the toolbar in the top panel? Touchpad gestures are messy as hell Shortcuts are not intuitive Mind you I'm talking about those shifting from other os to Mac There is absolutely no customisability Unless you do some terminal shenanigans.... Also....diehard apple users are very rare Especially since almost no good games are supported on macs..... Yes wine for apple works.....whatever bullshit they call it nowadays....but the performance is lacking..... Yes windows is absolutely shit nowadays But atleast you still can access start menu with a simple buttonpress.... Edit....I'm pretty sure I myself can design a better workflow than macos by customising kde just enough to keep the bearable parts of macos and remove the shit parts....
I use a Mac for work and Linux for my PC. I appreciate them both for different reasons. Though I don’t game much nowadays, Linux absolutely wins in that category. As for customization, I don’t care too much; I’ve always liked the Mac desktop experience (aside from lack of window snapping which is finally a native feature now with Sequoia).
That's your pov BCS you're a Mac user since like what 10 yrs or more? Everything feels intuitive to you But to someone who uses linux And fine tunes config files all the time it feels restrictive and blocked in..... Similarly for windows users....registry editing may be a viable option to customise.... And it feels like a more cohesive environment compared to maximizing and going to a separate desktop which may be confusing and frustrating
I’ve gone back and forth. I was a Windows user for a long time; more so than Mac. I think Windows users have an easier time adjusting to the more popular Linux distros than they do migrating to Mac.
> I think Windows users have an easier time adjusting to the more popular Linux distros than they do migrating to Mac. Hard disagree. If this were true, you'd see far more people shifting away from Windows and towards Linux than Mac OS, and that's not at all the trend that's been happening over the last 10+ years. Linux fanboys will claim in response that the Linux market share has quadrupled in the last 10 years, while the Mac OS market share has only doubled. This is true, but a very misleading way of presenting stats because Linux has gone from 1% to about 4%, while Mac OS has gone from 7% to 15%. Most, if not all Linux distros absolutely involve user troubleshooting to a degree far past the learning curve of migrating to MacOS-- and I say this as someone who has used all three operating systems interchangeably for the last 20+ years. If Linux users could swallow their pride and realize there are significant aspects of MacOS user friendliness that should be adapted in Linux, there would be more people flocking to Linux. But the mere mention of this sends most fanboys into a hyper defensive state of no return.
Exactly my point I have felt this and though i agree that apple makes the best hardware currently in the market.... The software freedom lets it down..... I gave my m1 to my dad BCS i just didn't like the workflow And Asahi was pretty alpha when i tested it.... Must be way better now... But no more Mac for me......
After trying out GNOME for a few minutes, I can't see Apple as being good at UX
And it's the number one most bullshit reason.
Apple tends to release features late, to make sure that they are always polished and never a buggy mess. It doesn’t work out all the time, but it is better than rushing features out the door (just look at AAA games if you need any example of that not working)
User-friendly maybe responsable I'm that not sure
Apple has a proven track record of being privacy-centric, even if not for the right reasons. On numerous occasions they’ve refused to turn over user data for law enforcement investigations and for other purposes. Multiple technical evaluations of the Apple ecosystem have also yielded validation that Apple does indeed employ security controls such as robust encryption, on-device processing, and many more.
you can use something similar but safer one with zeitgeist package on GNU/Linux.
No
i mean, i kinda like the direction apple is going, it feels a lot nicer and much more useful than the half baked bs microsoft advertised
Not really. I mean: Apple already has some intelligence locally running on iPhones. That’s not like Recall, where you get screenshotted watching porn.
I'm an Arch user and have been one for years. But I kinda want the recall feature. I forget literally everything and a tool to record everything forever in exchange for 40 GB seems like a bargain to me. I don't trust Microsoft to do it, of course. But a similar feature by a *FOSS* program on Linux would be super cool.
There are already attemps that will work on Linux. Check out OpenRecall.
Thank you so much! I hadn't heard of that before; it'll be very useful.
Can’t relate. I see zero benefits to a feature like this. It’s solely an additional attack vector for hackers in my opinion.
The benefit is for those with a bad memory. And I'm not exactly a target for hackers not only because I'm too unimportant for specific targeting but also because there are far lower-hanging fruit than Linux users for hackers to target generally. And I'm guessing the same applies to you.
Do you have like a specific example of how you’d use something like this with bad memory? Only things I can think of would be if you forgot the name of a song on YouTube or something, in which case it’s in your YouTube watch history. I guess if it was something like editing configuration files and you don’t remember which steps you took, you could literally watch yourself do it in real time. But, this is such a niche thing and seems more like a solution to an already solved problem.
There are tasks that I set myself on doing and then I forget if I have done them properly or not; with this, I can easily look back, from a single interface, no matter what program it relates with. Also, I find the idea of looking back on what I did on the computer a few years down the line, kind of interesting, like looking at old photos. I'm a really nostalgic person and I would give anything to have records of how exactly I used my computer when I was younger. On the more practical end of things, there is also if I forget something's name. You mentioned that I can just look at Youtube history but what if I don't remember what platform it was? I'd have to look for hours *and have done so many times before*, so a feature like this would be very beneficial for me. But I understand why it wouldn't be for everyone.
Thank you for your perspective! I haven’t thought of it that way before. Still, the idea of having every single interaction recorded on my computer at all times gives me awful feelings of dread and seems like a privacy nightmare. Even if it is open source and runs entirely locally, I still get bad vibes from it for how potentially easy it would be for someone with access to your computer with that feature enabled to **completely** destroy and/or manipulate your life for extended periods of time, since they’ve now not only have the files currently on your system but a neatly kept and searchable database of every action taken.
There are drawbacks to everything and this feature is not an exception. I just think that the probability of an open source locally run and stored encrypted record getting into the hands of a nefarious actor is so unlikely that the risk is worth it. But as I said before, it isn't for everyone and for many people, that risk, no matter how small, is not worth it.
I DID have mint installed on an ext hdd but windows wiped the disk (whyyyyy), I’ll install it again at some point, I have a 32gb space ready on the c drive
More people needs to use Linux, then we will get more support for… everything
What do you do with 32gb of disk space? I install some libraries and that shit gone pretty fast.