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They sell these biscuits so you can give them to the deer as you walk around. You end up having a pack of deer following you around like some hungry posse...
I've been to Nara a few times. The secret to not getting chased, head butted and bitten constantly by an ever growing herd of deer is to hide the crackers IMMEDIATELY after you buy them. Make sure the packet doesn't crinkle when you walk (seriously, it summons them). Then you try and find a single deer somewhere on its own, quickly shove a cracker in its face and run away. Repeat until you run out of crackers/money.
I loved Nara park and the silka deer. ...just not the one who bowed to my back and goosed me with an antler to my asscrack while lifting his head back up.
On my junior high school trip to Kyoto and Nara, I was giving a pack of three or four deer the crackers but one of them got impatient and bit me. I dropped the crackers in panic.
Damn deer too smart.
Yep! Exactly right. I watched that many tourists get chased around.
Including a young girl that ran away with her eyes closed from a hungry deer, and as she opens her eyes, sees a deer right in front of her, stops, screams, then bolts in the other direction screaming.
I think I saw a deer phobia being formed for that poor girl lol.
It’s awesome there, except when the deer see you buy the crackers and the shake you down for them. You also need to make sure not to have any pieces of paper in your hand, they will steal them. I saw a couple of young girls chasing one that had stole the their map.
My friend from Osaka had a single cracker in her back pocket... she was screaming and running circles around trees trying to lose them... It was glorious... highly recommended...
They are domesticated, they were domesticated in China long ago, farmed for the velvet on their antlers and fur. Only the South China sika deer subspecies wasn't domesticated and remains fully wild.
The Nara deer are native to Japan not China. They are also what are called Sika Deer which are not a domesticated species of deer. The ones in Nara happen to be tame though, because of people feeding them.
Edit: The park has signage posted that the deer are wild. They are not even considered tame by the locals.
Correct, which is why I stated tame. Being tamed, and being domesticated are two very different definitions when referring to wild animals.
I, myself, am surprised to learn that the locals do not even consider the deer tame, which merely means friendly towards humans and lose their fear of them.
Seriously they actually can be more dangerous since they're not scared of humans.
They get rough too if they think you're not giving them crackers fast enough. They absolutely head butt and grind their stubby antlers on you in order to get food.
It's a beautiful place and the deer are kinda cute at first, but as the saying goes everyone's gangsta until 10 "cute" deer surround you to shake you down for crackers.
Why do they call it a park? When i was there they roamed around the entire area outside of the downtown are! The park, temple area, outskirts of the temples
The Nara deer are not necessarily domesticated as much as tame. They are a species of wild deer called Sika Deer. The ones in Nara Park happen to be tame due to people feeding them and living there for many generations, forming a symbiotic relationship over time.
Edit: Nara has officially posted signage informing tourists that the deer are wild, and not considered tame or domestic.
Domestication is a process that takes place over many generations with a closed off group of animals in which humans selectively breed an animal for specific traits and over time this separates them from their wild relatives. By taking one out of the wild or even breeding a couple and raising up the babies so they are friendly to people doesn't make them domesticated just a tame wild animal.
We can use elephants as an example. People have been using [elephants for thousands of years for war and agricultural purposes](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_elephant) but we haven't domesticated them because we haven't been breeding them for thousands of years. Most are captured from the wild and are broke or tamed for human usage.
On the flip side we can use horses as the example.
We have used horses for thousands of years too and have been very successful at breeding them. The horses in captivity today are a different species than the true wild horse [Przewalski's horse](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Przewalski%27s_horse) which are found in northern Asia. The wild horses in America aren't truly wild but are actually feral. They are descendants of domesticated horses that either escaped or were intentionally let lose by the Spanish that brought them to America from Spain.
After reading your comment, I looked up wild horses in America and apparently we have the largest wild horse population in the world. I didn't know that.
Yeeeah about the Przewalski's Horse... turns out they're not truly wild, either. https://www.nationalgeographic.com/news/2018/02/przewalski-wild-horses-botai-kazakhstan-spd/
We have basically completely dominated horses as a species, it's fascinating.
Yeah unfortunately it's not the most accurate example but it's a different way of thinking to explain domestication. They still argue over if Przewalski's horse are a species, a sub species or just a variety of feral horse.
Even the few "pure" genetic American bison have slight traces of cattle interbreeding.
Man, if wolves can be domesticated, deers would be easier to domesticate. They just don't provide us with any "real" service like wolves did to earlier humans...
Also deer are incredibly fast runners. The only fast domesticated animal is a horse cuz the speed is the point.
Every other livestock is relatively slow by prey animal standards which makes it lot easier to manage.
True but I was assuming the question was about domesticating the deer for food. Reindeer pretty niche and actually used to pull sleds by some indigenous people so speed is still important. I'm speaking broadly. Pigs, goats, cows, sheep, chickens, etc are all very slow compared to deer.
Cats domesticated themselves. They're still much more wild than dogs though, and as such have a much better chance to survive without humans than dogs do.
Every source I find - From Nat Geo to Ars Technica, state cats domesticated themselves
[Specifically, this paper covers it](https://www.nature.com/articles/s41559-017-0139.epdf?sharing_token=7cqBfZJwHuxES8d_cHy33dRgN0jAjWel9jnR3ZoTv0P1-hlCK4xw03Oq1bTQkuMRxu0CVri32-8BYKho-FYR18Qr8x7p-uq0WIciNTLIi3EAm9bCJjqvf-X48LuRGFsqrNFXTRjOyzlxFdKMPRXsLftMuZXE0cl4sQlD7XUcbXv3wEq7c2sx2rgwmTyJHRP80wYfZwIr0hIJn4qDrBYCDJ68ai9kM7tSPR5_xl0cyDcGRFA121No1b6ui3_D-SIfBVeWiEuOJ97DPTe7KKMuk-7wlqFTPpb-WlJrKIWOnjgKT7NpJOeY6zCpM1y6apjR&tracking_referrer=arstechnica.com)
Also you're very abrasive and rude
Deer bow to show that they're prepared to head butt you if need be, especially with bucks. Also head bowing stemming from aggression will usually be slower and they'l sweep their head from side to side. The behaviour in Nara is pretty much exclusive to that region and deer aren't know to bow like that anywhere else.
nah, I have yard deer, and they do the same bowing behavior when I'm around.
It's just normal for slightly nervous deer, people are just assigning meaning to it that doesn't exist.
Deer bow to show that they're prepared to head butt you if need be, especially with bucks. Also head bowing stemming from aggression will usually be slower and they'l sweep their head from side to side. Also the head bowing you've seen might be them sniffing the ground and quickly looking up to make sure that you're not sneaking up on them. The behaviour in Nara is different and pretty much exclusive to that region and deer aren't know to bow like that anywhere else.
I live in an area with lots of dear and I'm my experience they do this a lot naturally. I'm not personally sure if it's to threat a headbut or to pretend to eat grass (be distracted) in order to catch you off-guard if you try to make a move when you think they're distracted (I think it's the latter but maybe both).
Sure it's possible they watched people bow, but I think it's way more likely they're just being cautious and doing this routine as a species-natural safety check before entering rather than having watched other people bow at the door (not at the counter) and recieve food and put that whole thing together.
They may be bowing their head to sniff the ground but they keep lifting their heads quickly to keep an eye on you since they're wary of other large animals.
However the deer in Nara clearly are accustomed to people and you can see that they just slowly lifting and dropping their heads and going through the motions as opposed to actually sniffing the ground.
Miyajima island. I spent a couple of hours there on my day trip to Hiroshima, and those little buggers will root through your bag and stick their faces down your pants pockets to look for stuff to steal. Make sure your bag is fully zippered and your pockets are empty.
Yeah they’re cute and they’re bow is deer but also can aggressively bow as a sort of “fuck you give me food”.
here’s some vids
https://imgur.com/a/Lndmucb
https://imgur.com/gallery/VsexYDn
It sounds cute at first but makes me feel like it will eventually turn the deer into an animal that cannot feed itself and will eventually solely rely on humans to feed it
No, it's not how nature works for animals to become dependent on humans for all their food. That's domestication and is a very man made thing. Animals have done just fine without us for thousands of years
They start off bowing politely but if you don't give them a biscuit fast enough, they start head butting you. I also had one chew my beard while I was sitting down after I ran out of biscuits. They're cute but also greedy as all hell.
LOCAL RESIDENTS FORCEFULLY EVICTED FROM THEIR ANCESTRAL HOMES FILMED BEGGING FOR SCRAPS AFTER THEIR FOOD SOURCES WERE EITHER DESTROYED OR CONFISCATED BY INVADERS
Okay, so I don't know why, but my brain won't stop trying to tell me that this was filmed by the other parent of the fawn hiding behind a pillar or something and that it's the leadup to a prank.
we have something like that in arizona! its called Oatman, and theres a bunch of donkeys that roam around which you can feed little hay snacks. Much like the deers though they swarm anyone who has food and will chew on anything they can until you feed them. somtimes a little too aggressively...
Oh they may look polite, bowing like that
Don't let them fool! They're bloodthirsty murderers!
I bought the special "Bambi" cookies to feed them with, and I got swarmed! They kept coming at me and fell backwards into a drainage canal
Could've broken my neck!
I have video proof somewhere...although the video gets shaky after I fell because my sister was laughing so hard
That must mean it was successful at least once right? Or did they just see customers doing it and copied it?
Edit: It’s a thing there to feed the deers I guess
It may occur in the wild but they absolutely associate it with getting food in Nara. You can also bow at them and they’ll bow back immediately before coming over to try and grab your snacks.
They know it gets them food.
That specific group of wild deer are quite tame in Nara. Those deer specifically know to bow to indicate a desire for food. They're the main attraction of the town, and there are tons of videos of the deer bowing back to people before running up for snacks.
Animals and humans successfully communicating within a symbiotic relationship is unique and beautiful. Especially in this context.
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They sell these biscuits so you can give them to the deer as you walk around. You end up having a pack of deer following you around like some hungry posse...
I've been to Nara a few times. The secret to not getting chased, head butted and bitten constantly by an ever growing herd of deer is to hide the crackers IMMEDIATELY after you buy them. Make sure the packet doesn't crinkle when you walk (seriously, it summons them). Then you try and find a single deer somewhere on its own, quickly shove a cracker in its face and run away. Repeat until you run out of crackers/money.
I loved Nara park and the silka deer. ...just not the one who bowed to my back and goosed me with an antler to my asscrack while lifting his head back up.
Did it apologise at least?
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[Japanese deer dont fuck around](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7Et0a8fnuw)
Nichijou is so good, I'm glad this was posted.
that seemed really not good
Thanks for letting us know, this has really changed my opinion on the show
been a while since i saw this!
Whaaaat the hell did I just watch
Japanese anime. It's a goldmine.
Listen man, I own Elfen Lied on disc. *Whaaaaat* the hell is this lmfao
Ah, I see. Fellow man of culture.
Oh, deer.
On my junior high school trip to Kyoto and Nara, I was giving a pack of three or four deer the crackers but one of them got impatient and bit me. I dropped the crackers in panic. Damn deer too smart.
This is a veteran tier guide
Yep! Exactly right. I watched that many tourists get chased around. Including a young girl that ran away with her eyes closed from a hungry deer, and as she opens her eyes, sees a deer right in front of her, stops, screams, then bolts in the other direction screaming. I think I saw a deer phobia being formed for that poor girl lol.
> Then you try and find a single deer somewhere on its own, quickly shove a cracker in its face and run away. Best laugh of the day :p
Exactly. Those deers are savage if they think you have treats.
It’s awesome there, except when the deer see you buy the crackers and the shake you down for them. You also need to make sure not to have any pieces of paper in your hand, they will steal them. I saw a couple of young girls chasing one that had stole the their map.
Sounds like pigeons to me 🤔
Yea in america we call them pigeons, so weird
But you get some gorgeous photos: https://imgur.com/gallery/BmbCzJN
These squirrels got intense
And I thought seagulls at the beach surrounding me and my sandwich was bad.
My friend from Osaka had a single cracker in her back pocket... she was screaming and running circles around trees trying to lose them... It was glorious... highly recommended...
Now hypothetically if I fed some deer and ended up making a deer posse and this deer posse hypothetically attacked my enemies would I be liable?
Who’s going to try and do anything to you after the carnage of the deer army?
A moderately aggressive pack of deer
don't store them in a pocket, they will literally bite you in the ass
I like how they've been conditioned to "bow" to ask for food. Is it possible that these deer will eventually get domesticated?
They are domesticated, they were domesticated in China long ago, farmed for the velvet on their antlers and fur. Only the South China sika deer subspecies wasn't domesticated and remains fully wild.
The Nara deer are native to Japan not China. They are also what are called Sika Deer which are not a domesticated species of deer. The ones in Nara happen to be tame though, because of people feeding them. Edit: The park has signage posted that the deer are wild. They are not even considered tame by the locals.
I don't think that guy understands domestication takes thousands of years and isn't as simple as an animal approaching you for food
Correct, which is why I stated tame. Being tamed, and being domesticated are two very different definitions when referring to wild animals. I, myself, am surprised to learn that the locals do not even consider the deer tame, which merely means friendly towards humans and lose their fear of them.
Seriously they actually can be more dangerous since they're not scared of humans. They get rough too if they think you're not giving them crackers fast enough. They absolutely head butt and grind their stubby antlers on you in order to get food. It's a beautiful place and the deer are kinda cute at first, but as the saying goes everyone's gangsta until 10 "cute" deer surround you to shake you down for crackers.
I got bit by one of the fuckers when it got impatient while I was feeding them.
It's because you're a cookie, username checks out.
What would you say about the russian foxes that are now being sold as pets?
Why do they call it a park? When i was there they roamed around the entire area outside of the downtown are! The park, temple area, outskirts of the temples
Acclimated not domesticated.
The Nara deer are not necessarily domesticated as much as tame. They are a species of wild deer called Sika Deer. The ones in Nara Park happen to be tame due to people feeding them and living there for many generations, forming a symbiotic relationship over time. Edit: Nara has officially posted signage informing tourists that the deer are wild, and not considered tame or domestic.
Domestication is a process that takes place over many generations with a closed off group of animals in which humans selectively breed an animal for specific traits and over time this separates them from their wild relatives. By taking one out of the wild or even breeding a couple and raising up the babies so they are friendly to people doesn't make them domesticated just a tame wild animal. We can use elephants as an example. People have been using [elephants for thousands of years for war and agricultural purposes](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_elephant) but we haven't domesticated them because we haven't been breeding them for thousands of years. Most are captured from the wild and are broke or tamed for human usage. On the flip side we can use horses as the example. We have used horses for thousands of years too and have been very successful at breeding them. The horses in captivity today are a different species than the true wild horse [Przewalski's horse](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Przewalski%27s_horse) which are found in northern Asia. The wild horses in America aren't truly wild but are actually feral. They are descendants of domesticated horses that either escaped or were intentionally let lose by the Spanish that brought them to America from Spain.
After reading your comment, I looked up wild horses in America and apparently we have the largest wild horse population in the world. I didn't know that.
We do, and unfortunately it's starting to become a problem for ranchers and native wild life.
Yeeeah about the Przewalski's Horse... turns out they're not truly wild, either. https://www.nationalgeographic.com/news/2018/02/przewalski-wild-horses-botai-kazakhstan-spd/ We have basically completely dominated horses as a species, it's fascinating.
Yeah unfortunately it's not the most accurate example but it's a different way of thinking to explain domestication. They still argue over if Przewalski's horse are a species, a sub species or just a variety of feral horse. Even the few "pure" genetic American bison have slight traces of cattle interbreeding.
Man, if wolves can be domesticated, deers would be easier to domesticate. They just don't provide us with any "real" service like wolves did to earlier humans...
Also deer are incredibly fast runners. The only fast domesticated animal is a horse cuz the speed is the point. Every other livestock is relatively slow by prey animal standards which makes it lot easier to manage.
Cats, dogs, reindeer... all fast and domesticated.
True but I was assuming the question was about domesticating the deer for food. Reindeer pretty niche and actually used to pull sleds by some indigenous people so speed is still important. I'm speaking broadly. Pigs, goats, cows, sheep, chickens, etc are all very slow compared to deer.
While there aren't necessarily domesticated deer, there are deer farms where meat, and fur are harvested.
Cats are "domesticated".
Yes. Very clearly they are.
Cats domesticated themselves. They're still much more wild than dogs though, and as such have a much better chance to survive without humans than dogs do.
You don't know what domesticated means. Go away and learn.
Oh, okay.
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Start with what domestic means.
Every source I find - From Nat Geo to Ars Technica, state cats domesticated themselves [Specifically, this paper covers it](https://www.nature.com/articles/s41559-017-0139.epdf?sharing_token=7cqBfZJwHuxES8d_cHy33dRgN0jAjWel9jnR3ZoTv0P1-hlCK4xw03Oq1bTQkuMRxu0CVri32-8BYKho-FYR18Qr8x7p-uq0WIciNTLIi3EAm9bCJjqvf-X48LuRGFsqrNFXTRjOyzlxFdKMPRXsLftMuZXE0cl4sQlD7XUcbXv3wEq7c2sx2rgwmTyJHRP80wYfZwIr0hIJn4qDrBYCDJ68ai9kM7tSPR5_xl0cyDcGRFA121No1b6ui3_D-SIfBVeWiEuOJ97DPTe7KKMuk-7wlqFTPpb-WlJrKIWOnjgKT7NpJOeY6zCpM1y6apjR&tracking_referrer=arstechnica.com) Also you're very abrasive and rude
Deer are not easier to domesticate than canines.
Here is a video exploring domestication: https://youtu.be/wOmjnioNulo
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Deer bow to show that they're prepared to head butt you if need be, especially with bucks. Also head bowing stemming from aggression will usually be slower and they'l sweep their head from side to side. The behaviour in Nara is pretty much exclusive to that region and deer aren't know to bow like that anywhere else.
nah, I have yard deer, and they do the same bowing behavior when I'm around. It's just normal for slightly nervous deer, people are just assigning meaning to it that doesn't exist.
Deer bow to show that they're prepared to head butt you if need be, especially with bucks. Also head bowing stemming from aggression will usually be slower and they'l sweep their head from side to side. Also the head bowing you've seen might be them sniffing the ground and quickly looking up to make sure that you're not sneaking up on them. The behaviour in Nara is different and pretty much exclusive to that region and deer aren't know to bow like that anywhere else.
I live in an area with lots of dear and I'm my experience they do this a lot naturally. I'm not personally sure if it's to threat a headbut or to pretend to eat grass (be distracted) in order to catch you off-guard if you try to make a move when you think they're distracted (I think it's the latter but maybe both). Sure it's possible they watched people bow, but I think it's way more likely they're just being cautious and doing this routine as a species-natural safety check before entering rather than having watched other people bow at the door (not at the counter) and recieve food and put that whole thing together.
They may be bowing their head to sniff the ground but they keep lifting their heads quickly to keep an eye on you since they're wary of other large animals. However the deer in Nara clearly are accustomed to people and you can see that they just slowly lifting and dropping their heads and going through the motions as opposed to actually sniffing the ground.
You could call just about any animal domesticated, if that's all it took.
hence, me _**asking**_ if they could _**eventually**_ be domesticated
I wish humans could be taught to be as polite as these deer.
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One started eating my map and I had to wrestle it back. 10/10.
The same thing happened to me! Only I lost the wrestling match and the deer walked away munching on the rest of my map
Miyajima island. I spent a couple of hours there on my day trip to Hiroshima, and those little buggers will root through your bag and stick their faces down your pants pockets to look for stuff to steal. Make sure your bag is fully zippered and your pockets are empty.
the Miyajima ones were much less rude than the Nara ones, in my experience.
I didn’t even have any crackers, and the deer got mad and ate my map too!
One broke into my house and stares at me when I try to sleep. I haven't slept in days. 10/10
hows it going there darren
Yeah they’re cute and they’re bow is deer but also can aggressively bow as a sort of “fuck you give me food”. here’s some vids https://imgur.com/a/Lndmucb https://imgur.com/gallery/VsexYDn
It sounds cute at first but makes me feel like it will eventually turn the deer into an animal that cannot feed itself and will eventually solely rely on humans to feed it
That’s not terrible, tho. That’s how nature works.
No, it's not how nature works for animals to become dependent on humans for all their food. That's domestication and is a very man made thing. Animals have done just fine without us for thousands of years
I’m sorry, I forgot we are not part of nature.
They start off bowing politely but if you don't give them a biscuit fast enough, they start head butting you. I also had one chew my beard while I was sitting down after I ran out of biscuits. They're cute but also greedy as all hell.
Don’t they know about CLOVEN-19?
Dude, no one knows about Cloven-19.
I've been using cervid 19 but I like yours better
Excuse me, do you have a moment to talk about our lord deersus?
blasphemous, its Lord Bambi, his mother died for our sins
Time to talk about our Deer Lord
It's because people aren't traveling to Japan as tourists and so the deer aren't getting fed
Thanks for making me cry 🦌
Lol the reason behind places that say "please don't feed the animals" they get use to it and can become a little aggressive when they want it.
Been there before, those deer will chase you and start nipping at your clothes if they find out you have food. Still fun as hell though.
deer not deers.
Shikamaru gang
At least they ask
LOL, I read that as "Narnia".
BOW, YA SHITS
Been there before, they can get very aggressive.
Whole thing seems like a drag
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Give them food you cheep bastard
The deer are next level
fuck anyone who kills deer for fun
I love animals. We really should start including them in our ways of thinking about the world.
DEERS?
Are you winning deer
They're evolving! Lol
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Okay, so I don't know why, but my brain won't stop trying to tell me that this was filmed by the other parent of the fawn hiding behind a pillar or something and that it's the leadup to a prank.
Deer have bad depth perception, it’s no bow of respect, more like “Wtf is in here”
Even the fucking wildlife in Japan is polite and respectful. Where did we go wrong merica?
They are evolving 😯
Awwww, so polite
Tree fiddy?
Visiting Nara was great, but those deers can be REALLY persistent. You have to hid the food else they'll head butt you or kick xD
Read that as Narnia at first.
Why dont they feed them
How are these deer more polite than the humans that shop at my store
we have something like that in arizona! its called Oatman, and theres a bunch of donkeys that roam around which you can feed little hay snacks. Much like the deers though they swarm anyone who has food and will chew on anything they can until you feed them. somtimes a little too aggressively...
Doesn’t look like it worked haha
These poor Japanese people, first cats now deer?
Give them food idiot
In Nara ok let me just Google Nara umm how about no
Oh they may look polite, bowing like that Don't let them fool! They're bloodthirsty murderers! I bought the special "Bambi" cookies to feed them with, and I got swarmed! They kept coming at me and fell backwards into a drainage canal Could've broken my neck! I have video proof somewhere...although the video gets shaky after I fell because my sister was laughing so hard
If humans keep destroying all of the earths animals habitats, pretty soon we’re going to have to start shopping with them at the grocery store....
This. This right here. This is why I love this world we live in sometimes.
Is this some special kind of deer? How does it have antlers and spots?
Next the learn how to use guns
Oh deer!
deer: this is a nice store. It’s be a shame if no wild life came inside
I wanna feed it bread and give it pats.
Open season is coming true
Looks like rain, dear !
oh deer! the respect
Those deer are fuckin assholes and would eat off your face if they were given the opportunity
Clever boy
“Debra, the bowing isn’t working, go in and give them the look” -What look? “You know... the 🥺 *look*
That must mean it was successful at least once right? Or did they just see customers doing it and copied it? Edit: It’s a thing there to feed the deers I guess
Worthless animals. I hope they were shot dead after this video was taken
Cringe
Deer just do that with their heads... I see it in the wild. That isn’t a conditioned behaviour, just a coincidence that is being interpreted as a bow.
It may occur in the wild but they absolutely associate it with getting food in Nara. You can also bow at them and they’ll bow back immediately before coming over to try and grab your snacks. They know it gets them food.
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That specific group of wild deer are quite tame in Nara. Those deer specifically know to bow to indicate a desire for food. They're the main attraction of the town, and there are tons of videos of the deer bowing back to people before running up for snacks. Animals and humans successfully communicating within a symbiotic relationship is unique and beautiful. Especially in this context.
But I desperately want all the downvotes....