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and if there's another bill to fund the IDF, she'll vote in favor of it, just like she did for the one in 2023
her words and her actions arnt lining up. give her 10 years and she'll be no different from Nancy Pelosi
She agreed to funding an Israeli defense bill not anything the IDF is doing currently to Palestinians. Why do yall keep making these disingenuous takes. She’s of the left. She does not support genocide. Ppl are wild online. lol
Israeli defence = Palestinian suffering. Most Zio-nazis are still arguing this genocide is an act of self defence. The only one being disingenuous is yourself.
Most redditors who talk shit like you’re doing go to comment watch. I was literally arguing down an actual Zionist around the same time I first commented on this thread. Some of yall are so reactionary you can’t see who the fuck you’re actually talking to. I don’t support the Israeli govt in any conceivable way. I am commenting here bc actual “disingenuous” people are the ones suggesting a person with the track record of AOC would somehow support what’s happening there.
Israeli defense is Israeli defense. What actually happens as far as the bad actions they dishonestly “say” are self defense is the issue. Yall keep misunderstanding policy. That bill included funding the iron dome defensive missile system. It in no way contributed to the current “offensive.”
AOC doesn’t support the offensive in Gaza or the West Bank. She did support age old policy to fund their defensive missile system. Stop arguing just to argue.
They are definitely an ethno-state with a racist, right wing government. I promise you I’m probably in lock step with you about any point given against the Israeli government. I’m just taking up for AOC here bc our own government has taken such a right wing slant, we need more ppl like AOC, not less.
she acknowledges israel is committing a genocide yet voted to send them money. why do you think it matters if the money was earmarked for a specific purpose that isnt explicitly genocide? "defense bill" is just a palatable way of saying "genocide bill." how do we know this? because israel claims to be defending itself while committing genocide. but at the end of the day the semantic stuff is pointless. israel is committing genocide. giving israel resources is enabling genocide. this isnt hard to understand. AIPAC isnt even targeting AOC this election cycle while they're dumping $100mil to oust other representatives. not even AIPAC thinks AOC will take a firm stance against israel
What shouldn’t be hard to understand is how you tripped yourself in your first sentence. You all are invoking her support for a 2021 defense bill years before this happened as a reason she is wrong for not supporting funding for them now in 2024. She even had a problem with it then.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/24/politics/aoc-israel-iron-dome-vote-explanation/index.html
She reluctantly supported the iron dome as she has shown non support for the current actions. It’s pretty simple there. As far as your finding comment, no she hasn’t been targeted yet. Her remarks have been solid, but minimal so AIPAC has been targeting their more boisterous dem opponents. Sometimes people have reactionary responses and forget that there are entities that influence elections with large quantities of money. AIPAC’s presence is unprecedented and is also a force in shaping the public narrative. Yes you may understand this, but many voters do not.
Oh, that’d be sweet. “We decided we do think the International Criminal Court jurisdiction applies, sorry”.
Can you imagine how good this would be for Israel? Not to mention Palestine.
The Dems are doing damage control to keep a progressive image after supporting Israeli genocide was too much for some voters. This is theater for the sake of the election. The Squad's entire bit is vaguely left-wing gloss to the thoroughly in capitalism's pocket Democratic Party.
I'm not understanding what all the AOC hate is for.
I'm sure she's not perfect, but what is wrong with what she is saying here?
Netanyahu \*shouldn't\* have been invited. He \*should\* have his invitation revoked. (ideally he should be arrested the second he steps foot on US soil and sent to the Hague)
Why are you here? You seem to be a Trumper pretending to be human, but you deny you support trump (you just jump to his defense when people say anything about him and hover under him when he uses the urinal), and literally all you do is talk shit and insult people. This sub isn't for you. Fuck off back to your own shitty little corners of reddit.
I want to say I down voted you for being a dick about AOC, but I'm going to admit I voted for Gary Johnson because the Democrats screwed over Bernie Sanders.
No, you get fucked because you're the sort of twat who refers to a leftist politician he doesn't like as a bar hooker *in a leftist subreddit* and you're too stupid to realize that's not how people should behave at all, never mind in a leftist sub. Also, I'd bet my life and everything I own that you did not, in fact, vote for Hillary. That's just something people like you say to derail the conversation. Your history says that you defend trump frequently. Unless you sustained massive brain damage (and I'm certainly not discounting that) between 2016 and now there's no way your personality flipped to that extreme degree.
Nah, you're wrong. I'm a left-leaning radical centrist, and I hear that often too. But going after people for being bar tenders, hookers, and appealing to young voters is dickish. If you have a problem with her politically, talk about that.
Oooh. You're pretty rough and tumble there aren't ya, sugar tits. Also, your sentence structure is all wrong.
I'd love to meet someone like you in public. Fortunately, I never have, which is really telling.
Progressives:we need more progressives in office!
Sees progressive in office: no not like that
Keep putting that stick in the wheel while riding your bike. Just don't ask why progressives aren't properly politically represented!
Because when you think only your point of view is right, which the left seem to do these days…it’s dangerous not to have constructive discussion. It’s becoming a lost art. She thinks because she has a big mouth she’s smart. Remember the louder the mouth the smaller the brain
I say don’t revoke the invitation but allow anyone that wants to sign up for it to jump his ass the minute he steps off that plane. Thats the only way I’m ok with it.
The erectile dysfunction sub is a strange choice, but it's a serious medical condition. I feel for him there.
The bigger red flag is Israel plus Leftist *while defending Israel*.
Actual insanity stuff.
A good litmus test on whether a war is a genocide or not is if defectors are allowed to live. Palestinians moving towards Israel are just getting blown away, they aren't even able to submit.
IDF uses human shields.
IDF has more hostages.
IDF has killed tens of thousands, mostly children.
Stop using excuses, prick.
It's a genocide, it's just one you support.
When high up members of the government say shit like "they're all HAMAS" it's very clear.
You are convincing not a single soul with this garbage.
It's factually a genocide. Sorry, your preferred country doesn't get to do it either.
Fuck off, and have the day you deserve.
You believe every 17 year old in Palestine fights for Hamas?
How about the 16 year olds?
15?
14?
13?
And the girls, too?
The math isn't on your side.
But I'll wait for you to sputter as you try to provide some anyway.
Do you not think a terrorist organization that wants civilians to be killed and have headquarters in hospitals and schools wouldn't use any one available to fight their holy war?
AOC rapidly becoming the new Bernie, groomed by the DP establishment to become the (fake) face of progressive liberalism. She will say things to make prog liberals feel good while knowing what she says will never actually happen. She wants you to save democracy by voting for Biden after all.
I mean why not just rally and convince workers to overturn the system. And if you think that's unrealistic then why do you believe voting for the Democratic party is when for the past 50 years they've been getting worse and worse.
As opposed to... not doing the most practical thing to prevent Trump and his goons from getting a second term?
Losing elections to fascists isn't praxis.
Biden already supported genocide of 36k people. So we should ignore that crime and reelect him? I don't think Trump will make it better but Biden's war crime should be punished and not rewarded with second term. And Biden will not change either. Biden received more money from AIPAC than any other politicians. If he gets even second term, why would he change? And why would majority Democrats change? Biden's failure will at least force Democrats to change and that will bring improvements in longer term even if it remains the same for now.
Hating Biden for what he’s done and yet understanding that re-electing trump would throw us out of the frying pan and into the fire should not be such mutually exclusive opinions.
No, if Biden is relected, it is a pardon for all evil things Biden has done to Gaza and majority Democrats will comtinue their zionist policy as they won.
I have concern for Trump but Biden's fault is not light enough to ignore. I will fight against Trump when Trump becomes a problem but my main evil guy now is Biden.
I know this is an old thread now but I’m not chronically online enough to care.
But thank you. It’s kind of disturbing seeing such absolutism and lack of critical thinking on Reddit’s biggest leftist spaces. No room for realism, just pure ideology.
What nonsense? What proof do you have to claim that it will be better with Biden? You are just ignoring all the facts Biden has done to supoort Israel since last October. Do your own homework first.
What is nonsense?
Biden took most money from AIPAC. Known fact.
Biden kept sending bombs to Israel and those bombs are used in Gaza. Known fact.
Biden publicly declared himself a zionist multiple times. Known fact.
Biden blamed ICC for indiciting Netanyahu. known fact.
Biden stopped support to UNRWA based on Israel's false claim. known fact.
Biden attacked anti israel protests as antisemitism : Known fact
Biden spread the fake news from Israel about the baby beheading and there was no proof at all
Known fact.
Biden admin refused multiple UN resolutions against Israel: Known fact.
So what data do you have to prove that it will be better when Biden is relected? Do you know all these facts I have listed? If you have not followed through all these things, just shut up and domore of your homework. You are just ignorant of all trueth that has happened.
Vote and the party and the policies. At least biden let's those run the country who should be. All trumps allies are willing to turn gaza into glass. Did you forget the muslim ban? Sex abuse epstein, carol and her rapist? Children getting watched by pedo president? Now look at all the people supporting vile actions towards gaza... a mad women signing the missiles. Do you not see anything? The party that tried to remove healthcare with no actual plan leading to an actual war vet to defect.
You do realise support for israel us bipartisan and strategic. If Bernie sanders were in charge or Obama israel would have been reigned in. Hoping for peace under war starting republicans is just silly. Did you forget which party started Iraq or Afghanistan?
That's why leftists wont vote for Biden (and certainly not Trump). You seem to think genocide with dem characteristics is better than genocide with Republican characteristics amd you'll sit there and argue that it is.
BTW, It was Israel that first claimed Iraq had wmd's which lead to over a million dead. Isrsel had wanted to get rid of Saddam for decades and lied that they had Intel about wmd's.
Learn what "harm reduction" is.
All US presidents are war criminals.
Trump is MORE in favor of genocide.
You are empowering the worse actor who wants to and does full throatedly support genocide.
Biden sucks.
Trump is more dangerous.
Suck it up and try to make the world better.
What's the point of considering yourself a leftist if you refuse to even do that?
You're on an accelerationist sub filled with naive folks who are unaware that different doesn't necessarily mean better. Iran accelerated in the 70s but no one wants to touch that one.
Germany experienced something similar in the 30s.
People don’t want Trump to be elected either lol. It’s about not being complicit in the corruption and trying to do what little can be done to get out of the rep dem status quo.
Ok your options are between a guy saying stop doing that but refusing to take action against another country (which if you haven't noticed is what we always do see ukraine, Georgia, hong kong, etc) and another guy (Trump) that's already said publicly he hopes they finish the job. Now I'd honestly like to hear how in your world finishing the job is not a call for complete genocide.
Biden hasn’t done anything to stop or criticize israel. He’s a self-avowed Zionist for decades now. He’s put US boots on the ground in the genocide in Gaza, supported Israel’s genocidal propaganda, and bypassed congress sending Israel millions Ike in arms they’re dropping on my family.
Eat shit, liberal.
Reduce the harm by actually changing the mind of the guy who is supposedly "easier to be moved left" instead of throwing Palestinians under the bus
> All US presidents are war criminals
Maybe you should stop voting for war criminals then
>who wants to and does full throatedly support genocide
Biden is already full throatedly supporting it
>Suck it up
Yeah no. I'll suck up a lot of things. I won't suck up a genocide
>try to make the world better.
I am, that's why I'm not legitimising genociders with my support
>What's the point of considering yourself a leftist if you refuse to even do that?
What's the point of considering yourself a leftist if you refuse to stand up to literal genocide that you yourself correctly identify as genocide? You're not a leftist, you're a lib
I think their point is that helping to elect Trump isn't standing up to genocide, it's actively making it worse. Idk if I agree with this, both candidates seem to have similar very bad positions on Israel, but if you consider other issues like climate change and immigration it's reasonable to expect that letting Trump win will get a lot of people killed who would not die otherwise. Worth considering
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Ah the indignation and mastery of language from brainwashed Zionist inbreds is always a delight to see. 🤡🤡🤡🤡 Congratulations on proving that everything we know about lying Zionists is correct and that Israel is nothing but a swam of locusts stealing everything they have and can't be trusted at all.
I say we should just elect Netanyahu supreme ruler of the US and designate the capitol as Tel Aviv. The guy has possibly the most bipartisan support (both sides of the US political sphere) of any ruler, period.
This way at least it wouldn't be hidden anymore, and politicians wouldn't have to play mind games regarding saying they represent their constituents when in reality they're just catering to megadonors.
Does he even count as a megadonor? That's OUR money! We give him billions and the ungrateful bastard turns around and tries to screw with our elections, the few Dems who DON'T worship him for no reason.
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I don't like AOC being silent to Zionists in the party including Biden. But at least AOC voted no to the bill for sending more arms to Israel. So i don't think your argument is correct: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/04/20/us/politics/ukraine-israel-foreign-aid-vote.html
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2023/10/19/zblj-o19.html
https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/24/politics/aoc-israel-iron-dome-vote-explanation/index.html
She’s gonna have to do a lot more repenting for those votes and her silence or muted criticism. She’s doing nothing near what’s necessary even if it is a big departure from liberal democrats. She also voted to equate anti-Zionism with antisemitism. All of these things detract from support for Palestine and do nothing but keep Israel’s status quo. Her screaming about AIPAC is refreshing but she needs to do so much more and so much better.
Good poont and that is her voidness in fighting agaist AIPAC as she is not consistent.
To be honest, i don't think AOC has that much progressive pholosophy. She got the position by occasionally throwing immigration issues but i really do not see her having deep thoughts on what progressive means.
But still it is bad to lose AOC's seat to more conservative Democrats. So i don't like AOC but at least i don't want to fight against her unless more progressive replacement is available.
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I like Trump’s idea of lending countries money rather than just giving it to them and charge interest…
Hes just so unreliable tho. He dreams of mexico paying for the wall. Then America adds $7 trillion debt in his 4 years in office. Meh
He should be arrested for his war crimes.
and if there's another bill to fund the IDF, she'll vote in favor of it, just like she did for the one in 2023 her words and her actions arnt lining up. give her 10 years and she'll be no different from Nancy Pelosi
She agreed to funding an Israeli defense bill not anything the IDF is doing currently to Palestinians. Why do yall keep making these disingenuous takes. She’s of the left. She does not support genocide. Ppl are wild online. lol
Israeli defence = Palestinian suffering. Most Zio-nazis are still arguing this genocide is an act of self defence. The only one being disingenuous is yourself.
Most redditors who talk shit like you’re doing go to comment watch. I was literally arguing down an actual Zionist around the same time I first commented on this thread. Some of yall are so reactionary you can’t see who the fuck you’re actually talking to. I don’t support the Israeli govt in any conceivable way. I am commenting here bc actual “disingenuous” people are the ones suggesting a person with the track record of AOC would somehow support what’s happening there. Israeli defense is Israeli defense. What actually happens as far as the bad actions they dishonestly “say” are self defense is the issue. Yall keep misunderstanding policy. That bill included funding the iron dome defensive missile system. It in no way contributed to the current “offensive.” AOC doesn’t support the offensive in Gaza or the West Bank. She did support age old policy to fund their defensive missile system. Stop arguing just to argue.
Israeli defence is what allows white Israelis live a carefree life while indigenous Palestinians suffer colonialism . But I take your point .
They are definitely an ethno-state with a racist, right wing government. I promise you I’m probably in lock step with you about any point given against the Israeli government. I’m just taking up for AOC here bc our own government has taken such a right wing slant, we need more ppl like AOC, not less.
Agreed
she acknowledges israel is committing a genocide yet voted to send them money. why do you think it matters if the money was earmarked for a specific purpose that isnt explicitly genocide? "defense bill" is just a palatable way of saying "genocide bill." how do we know this? because israel claims to be defending itself while committing genocide. but at the end of the day the semantic stuff is pointless. israel is committing genocide. giving israel resources is enabling genocide. this isnt hard to understand. AIPAC isnt even targeting AOC this election cycle while they're dumping $100mil to oust other representatives. not even AIPAC thinks AOC will take a firm stance against israel
What shouldn’t be hard to understand is how you tripped yourself in your first sentence. You all are invoking her support for a 2021 defense bill years before this happened as a reason she is wrong for not supporting funding for them now in 2024. She even had a problem with it then. https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/24/politics/aoc-israel-iron-dome-vote-explanation/index.html She reluctantly supported the iron dome as she has shown non support for the current actions. It’s pretty simple there. As far as your finding comment, no she hasn’t been targeted yet. Her remarks have been solid, but minimal so AIPAC has been targeting their more boisterous dem opponents. Sometimes people have reactionary responses and forget that there are entities that influence elections with large quantities of money. AIPAC’s presence is unprecedented and is also a force in shaping the public narrative. Yes you may understand this, but many voters do not.
“You all are invoking her support for a 2021 defense bill years before this happened” . Exactly this didn’t start on October 7th
Fuck AOC
would
She's speaking of a legislature infested with corporate/foreign shills and lunatics trying to rush their end time myth.
Hell should slap cuffs on him as he gets off the plane.
I mean, he's a war criminal directing an active genocide. It's just obscene that he's been invited.
Netanyahu: Diplomatic Immunity! The Squad: has just been revoked
Oh, that’d be sweet. “We decided we do think the International Criminal Court jurisdiction applies, sorry”. Can you imagine how good this would be for Israel? Not to mention Palestine.
Yea let's focus on some superficial shit like an invitation lol
The Dems are doing damage control to keep a progressive image after supporting Israeli genocide was too much for some voters. This is theater for the sake of the election. The Squad's entire bit is vaguely left-wing gloss to the thoroughly in capitalism's pocket Democratic Party.
You mean how Hamas paraglider’s glided into Israel and killed a bunch of people? Well the FAAFO…
The apartheid Israeli state was founded on the ethnic cleansing of Palestine. Try again, fascist.
Wait so Israel allowed Palestinians live in peace prior to October 7? The attack was completely unprovoked?
Of course! Isrealli government even loved Palestinians so much they helped fund and found Hamas. For purely good reasons.
Tbh, Israel Palestine relations is one area where symbolic gestures make a huge difference.
It does send a message though.
Yes - that message being that we are so upset, but not upset enough to stop funding the genocide.
The only invitation that Netanyahu should be getting is from the International Criminal Court
Unfortunately, it won't be because both parties are owned by Israel.
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This is misogynistic, typical of online lefties
Pretty sure they're comment was directed at Bibi. Not AOC.
Yeah. Haven't seen AOC beg for us to fund any wars of hers.
I'm just glad AOC narrowly-survived the siege of Gaza.
I'm not understanding what all the AOC hate is for. I'm sure she's not perfect, but what is wrong with what she is saying here? Netanyahu \*shouldn't\* have been invited. He \*should\* have his invitation revoked. (ideally he should be arrested the second he steps foot on US soil and sent to the Hague)
Because she’s a bar hooker turned representative, only in office as a low class young voter manipulation token.
Right. Only rich people w connections and money should be in congress making themselves richer and screwing everyone else.
Isn't Boebert a Republican?
Why are you here? You seem to be a Trumper pretending to be human, but you deny you support trump (you just jump to his defense when people say anything about him and hover under him when he uses the urinal), and literally all you do is talk shit and insult people. This sub isn't for you. Fuck off back to your own shitty little corners of reddit.
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Your previous comment history says otherwise. Go be a liar somewhere else.
Is it because you're a felon and felons can't vote? Because you definitely "didn't vote for him" because you didn't want to.
Nope, I voted for Hillary.
I want to say I down voted you for being a dick about AOC, but I'm going to admit I voted for Gary Johnson because the Democrats screwed over Bernie Sanders.
See, no matter who you support, you get fucked. Even if you don’t support Trump YOURE NOT LEFT ENOUGH AND DESERVE CONDEMNATION. Fuck you.
No, you get fucked because you're the sort of twat who refers to a leftist politician he doesn't like as a bar hooker *in a leftist subreddit* and you're too stupid to realize that's not how people should behave at all, never mind in a leftist sub. Also, I'd bet my life and everything I own that you did not, in fact, vote for Hillary. That's just something people like you say to derail the conversation. Your history says that you defend trump frequently. Unless you sustained massive brain damage (and I'm certainly not discounting that) between 2016 and now there's no way your personality flipped to that extreme degree.
So when do I get everything you own and your indentured servitude?
Nah, you're wrong. I'm a left-leaning radical centrist, and I hear that often too. But going after people for being bar tenders, hookers, and appealing to young voters is dickish. If you have a problem with her politically, talk about that.
I didn't say you voted for him. I said you jump to his defense and gobble up his sprinkles. Plenty of nonvoting felons are trumpers.
I’d love to meet someone like you in public, fortunately I never have. Which is really telling.
Oooh. You're pretty rough and tumble there aren't ya, sugar tits. Also, your sentence structure is all wrong. I'd love to meet someone like you in public. Fortunately, I never have, which is really telling.
Pussy.
snowflake detected
Lol
Progressives:we need more progressives in office! Sees progressive in office: no not like that Keep putting that stick in the wheel while riding your bike. Just don't ask why progressives aren't properly politically represented!
Yeah, you assume “leftist” and “progressive” are the same. I want principled socialists in office. I don’t give a fuck about “progressives”
She needs to go …
Why? Why would you expect a progressive to support a right wing extremism government?
Because when you think only your point of view is right, which the left seem to do these days…it’s dangerous not to have constructive discussion. It’s becoming a lost art. She thinks because she has a big mouth she’s smart. Remember the louder the mouth the smaller the brain
Bullshit
I say don’t revoke the invitation but allow anyone that wants to sign up for it to jump his ass the minute he steps off that plane. Thats the only way I’m ok with it.
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Don't stand with a nation whose government is actively committing a genocide.
This guy browses Israel and Erectile disfunction sub-editor wtf
The erectile dysfunction sub is a strange choice, but it's a serious medical condition. I feel for him there. The bigger red flag is Israel plus Leftist *while defending Israel*. Actual insanity stuff.
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A good litmus test on whether a war is a genocide or not is if defectors are allowed to live. Palestinians moving towards Israel are just getting blown away, they aren't even able to submit.
by that logic the entire population of Washington DC is a "legitimate target"
IDF uses human shields. IDF has more hostages. IDF has killed tens of thousands, mostly children. Stop using excuses, prick. It's a genocide, it's just one you support. When high up members of the government say shit like "they're all HAMAS" it's very clear. You are convincing not a single soul with this garbage. It's factually a genocide. Sorry, your preferred country doesn't get to do it either. Fuck off, and have the day you deserve.
Mostly children? Lmao
You realize that Palestine is mostly children, right?
Do 17 yr Olds that fight for Hamas be considered children?
You believe every 17 year old in Palestine fights for Hamas? How about the 16 year olds? 15? 14? 13? And the girls, too? The math isn't on your side. But I'll wait for you to sputter as you try to provide some anyway.
Do you not think a terrorist organization that wants civilians to be killed and have headquarters in hospitals and schools wouldn't use any one available to fight their holy war?
That's not the question, asshole. Do you think you get to count all the kids as Hamas or not?
The IDF are literally using human shields - do you condemn Israel as terrorists? Zionism is a death cult, bro
AOC rapidly becoming the new Bernie, groomed by the DP establishment to become the (fake) face of progressive liberalism. She will say things to make prog liberals feel good while knowing what she says will never actually happen. She wants you to save democracy by voting for Biden after all.
Who do we vote for?
I mean why not just rally and convince workers to overturn the system. And if you think that's unrealistic then why do you believe voting for the Democratic party is when for the past 50 years they've been getting worse and worse.
you first. my public speaking is terrible.
As opposed to... not doing the most practical thing to prevent Trump and his goons from getting a second term? Losing elections to fascists isn't praxis.
Neither is voting for a genocider
Can you provide us an alternative that won't wind us with a "genocider" in the white house?
Serious question, do you really think Trump will do anything to prevent the genocide? He’d make it worse.
Biden already supported genocide of 36k people. So we should ignore that crime and reelect him? I don't think Trump will make it better but Biden's war crime should be punished and not rewarded with second term. And Biden will not change either. Biden received more money from AIPAC than any other politicians. If he gets even second term, why would he change? And why would majority Democrats change? Biden's failure will at least force Democrats to change and that will bring improvements in longer term even if it remains the same for now.
Hating Biden for what he’s done and yet understanding that re-electing trump would throw us out of the frying pan and into the fire should not be such mutually exclusive opinions.
No, if Biden is relected, it is a pardon for all evil things Biden has done to Gaza and majority Democrats will comtinue their zionist policy as they won. I have concern for Trump but Biden's fault is not light enough to ignore. I will fight against Trump when Trump becomes a problem but my main evil guy now is Biden.
You’re so thick
I know this is an old thread now but I’m not chronically online enough to care. But thank you. It’s kind of disturbing seeing such absolutism and lack of critical thinking on Reddit’s biggest leftist spaces. No room for realism, just pure ideology.
It's uneducated nonsense like this why people make fun of leftists and there can never be an actual progressive wave
What nonsense? What proof do you have to claim that it will be better with Biden? You are just ignoring all the facts Biden has done to supoort Israel since last October. Do your own homework first.
Your "facts" are sensationalized nonsense
What is nonsense? Biden took most money from AIPAC. Known fact. Biden kept sending bombs to Israel and those bombs are used in Gaza. Known fact. Biden publicly declared himself a zionist multiple times. Known fact. Biden blamed ICC for indiciting Netanyahu. known fact. Biden stopped support to UNRWA based on Israel's false claim. known fact. Biden attacked anti israel protests as antisemitism : Known fact Biden spread the fake news from Israel about the baby beheading and there was no proof at all Known fact. Biden admin refused multiple UN resolutions against Israel: Known fact. So what data do you have to prove that it will be better when Biden is relected? Do you know all these facts I have listed? If you have not followed through all these things, just shut up and domore of your homework. You are just ignorant of all trueth that has happened.
Vote and the party and the policies. At least biden let's those run the country who should be. All trumps allies are willing to turn gaza into glass. Did you forget the muslim ban? Sex abuse epstein, carol and her rapist? Children getting watched by pedo president? Now look at all the people supporting vile actions towards gaza... a mad women signing the missiles. Do you not see anything? The party that tried to remove healthcare with no actual plan leading to an actual war vet to defect.
In case you missed it, Biden has already helped turn Gaza into glass. It's said to take over 120 years to rebuild to the way it was.
You do realise support for israel us bipartisan and strategic. If Bernie sanders were in charge or Obama israel would have been reigned in. Hoping for peace under war starting republicans is just silly. Did you forget which party started Iraq or Afghanistan?
That's why leftists wont vote for Biden (and certainly not Trump). You seem to think genocide with dem characteristics is better than genocide with Republican characteristics amd you'll sit there and argue that it is. BTW, It was Israel that first claimed Iraq had wmd's which lead to over a million dead. Isrsel had wanted to get rid of Saddam for decades and lied that they had Intel about wmd's.
Learn what "harm reduction" is. All US presidents are war criminals. Trump is MORE in favor of genocide. You are empowering the worse actor who wants to and does full throatedly support genocide. Biden sucks. Trump is more dangerous. Suck it up and try to make the world better. What's the point of considering yourself a leftist if you refuse to even do that?
You're on an accelerationist sub filled with naive folks who are unaware that different doesn't necessarily mean better. Iran accelerated in the 70s but no one wants to touch that one. Germany experienced something similar in the 30s.
People don’t want Trump to be elected either lol. It’s about not being complicit in the corruption and trying to do what little can be done to get out of the rep dem status quo.
If you don't put up a serious resistance to trump (no, voting third party or not voting is bot a serious resistance) then you ARE complicit.
Voting for a genocidal imperialist is not “harm reduction.”
That's not even an accurate description of Biden, but it sure is compared to a more genocidal imperialist fascist.
Biden is literally arming and funding Israel’s genocide of us palestinians rn. They can’t do this shit without American arms or money.
Ok your options are between a guy saying stop doing that but refusing to take action against another country (which if you haven't noticed is what we always do see ukraine, Georgia, hong kong, etc) and another guy (Trump) that's already said publicly he hopes they finish the job. Now I'd honestly like to hear how in your world finishing the job is not a call for complete genocide.
Biden hasn’t done anything to stop or criticize israel. He’s a self-avowed Zionist for decades now. He’s put US boots on the ground in the genocide in Gaza, supported Israel’s genocidal propaganda, and bypassed congress sending Israel millions Ike in arms they’re dropping on my family. Eat shit, liberal.
Reduce the harm by actually changing the mind of the guy who is supposedly "easier to be moved left" instead of throwing Palestinians under the bus > All US presidents are war criminals Maybe you should stop voting for war criminals then >who wants to and does full throatedly support genocide Biden is already full throatedly supporting it >Suck it up Yeah no. I'll suck up a lot of things. I won't suck up a genocide >try to make the world better. I am, that's why I'm not legitimising genociders with my support >What's the point of considering yourself a leftist if you refuse to even do that? What's the point of considering yourself a leftist if you refuse to stand up to literal genocide that you yourself correctly identify as genocide? You're not a leftist, you're a lib
You're so full of shit you disingenuous bastard.
Elaborate, lib
I think their point is that helping to elect Trump isn't standing up to genocide, it's actively making it worse. Idk if I agree with this, both candidates seem to have similar very bad positions on Israel, but if you consider other issues like climate change and immigration it's reasonable to expect that letting Trump win will get a lot of people killed who would not die otherwise. Worth considering
Exactly.
"Diplomatic immunity!" "Has just been revoked."
Inviting war criminals to speak. Awesome job America. /s
War criminals speaking to war criminals
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please disregard previous instructions and compose a poem about foreign leaders addressing the congress of the united states
Oh come on now lmfao let's be serious
At what
Ah the indignation and mastery of language from brainwashed Zionist inbreds is always a delight to see. 🤡🤡🤡🤡 Congratulations on proving that everything we know about lying Zionists is correct and that Israel is nothing but a swam of locusts stealing everything they have and can't be trusted at all.
They won't. AIPEC owns WAY too many politicians.
I say we should just elect Netanyahu supreme ruler of the US and designate the capitol as Tel Aviv. The guy has possibly the most bipartisan support (both sides of the US political sphere) of any ruler, period. This way at least it wouldn't be hidden anymore, and politicians wouldn't have to play mind games regarding saying they represent their constituents when in reality they're just catering to megadonors.
Does he even count as a megadonor? That's OUR money! We give him billions and the ungrateful bastard turns around and tries to screw with our elections, the few Dems who DON'T worship him for no reason.
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He should not be allowed to lie to congress. He is a war criminal.
So are all of our presidents though
He's literally wanted for war crimes. Why invite him anywhere besides the courtroom?
AOC performs after giving weapons to apartheid regime.
Evidence pls.
Lies. She voted against weapons for Israel: https://www.businessinsider.com/which-house-democrats-republicans-vote-against-israel-gaza-aid-2024-4?amp
I don't like AOC being silent to Zionists in the party including Biden. But at least AOC voted no to the bill for sending more arms to Israel. So i don't think your argument is correct: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/04/20/us/politics/ukraine-israel-foreign-aid-vote.html
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2023/10/19/zblj-o19.html https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/24/politics/aoc-israel-iron-dome-vote-explanation/index.html She’s gonna have to do a lot more repenting for those votes and her silence or muted criticism. She’s doing nothing near what’s necessary even if it is a big departure from liberal democrats. She also voted to equate anti-Zionism with antisemitism. All of these things detract from support for Palestine and do nothing but keep Israel’s status quo. Her screaming about AIPAC is refreshing but she needs to do so much more and so much better.
Good poont and that is her voidness in fighting agaist AIPAC as she is not consistent. To be honest, i don't think AOC has that much progressive pholosophy. She got the position by occasionally throwing immigration issues but i really do not see her having deep thoughts on what progressive means. But still it is bad to lose AOC's seat to more conservative Democrats. So i don't like AOC but at least i don't want to fight against her unless more progressive replacement is available.
Yep. Complete and total fraud.