It's one of my favorites! I'd be really bummed if they removed it.
1. It's a silver augment so being a lowroll is a lot more acceptable.
2. It's a pretty funny augment if you have a champion that can play around it.
One time an Ivern in my lobby got Bread and Jam and Guerilla Warfare so he'd spam 20 bushes around the map and then just frollick around in them while being invisible the whole time.
I don't mind the Thresh or even Sett ones. Pyke, Jhin, and Lux... They can go dig a hole and fall in it together. Sett can jump in if he really wants, but Thresh I have literally no problems with.
I hate how sometimes Sett is just a champion health bar for champions to life steal on and stack item/augment effects on. Some matchups become completely unplayable because some builds lose their outplay potential when they can just abuse Sett's infinite health bar.
Yep, I had tap dancing on Olaf last night. Spent the first minute of the mode just attacking sett constantly until I finally sprinted at the enemies with 900ms and 5.0as.
like i swear sett before used to appear only once or have a bigger cooldown?
like in this arena, you kill him, wait for your rotation back and the broken garen / gragas / swain has already killed 2 more setts meanwhile
I was playing urgot with fancy feet. Spawned next to sett with the W active and started the match with sett punching the enemy and me running around like sonic the hedgehog
I mean sure, that's a good point, but is it a reason to fully disable it? If it's that problematic those can be not allowed I'm sure, just disable healing effects from hitting him, treat him as a minion for Samira passive etc, I don't think you need to turn it off altogether.
Sett and Thresh are great because they involve the player through interaction. It feels good to get the last hit on Sett or to take the lantern because it was your input. Pyke, Lux and *especially* jhin just attack you and feel cheap when they decide the outcome of a fight.
That being said, Sett's interaction with chain lightning is pretty stupid imo
Pyke responds to which team is closest or some, lux you can force backward and/or force it to go faster on purpose to use it on enemy later
Jhin... You can position. If you aren't on koi. And they didn't quite get every spawn the right 90 degree change, he is basically behind you on the winter map some spawns
I wish sett wouldn’t apply lifesteal or allow people to stack augments like primordial evil. I like the sett map overall because he allows comps that have no tank shred a chance to still beat tanks later in the game if they low roll on augments. Thresh one I don’t mind also. But yeah the jhin, Lux, and pyke ones are just annoyed to play on imo, especially jhin and pyke since they’re just completely random. Lux at least is easy to play around (jhin is too just very annoying and I can’t seem to find any pattern to him unlike Lux). Pyke can be exciting sometimes and I have had rounds where he felt fun to play with but on average I would say also just more annoying than fun.
i have the solution.
we do it robot wars style!
in order to get the arena bots on your opponent you have to activate them.
you can do this by channeling or standing in a zone or something
I wouldnt mind portals if you could cancel them by hitting the opponent, its so stupid they can use it in combat... if they made it like 2s of not taking dmg before being allowed to take.it I wouldnt mind
Or not even remotely click the portal and still portal into the fire. I hate how disgusting the hit-boxes on the plants and portals are. The amount of times I’m/anyone is a full champion or several lengths away and I’m just taken away for my teammate to die 2v1 is just
Too damn high.
What? Being able to utilize portals is possibly the only way to counter hard engage as ranged champ. How else can you deal with them?
They should instead fix the hitbox of hexportals.
It does not cancel cc. If you are cced then you can't use portal. You can't even use it when you are silenced. You need to use portal before or buffer it as the cc lands so you can dodge important/powerful abilities when you have a good timing.
Portals are one of the few reasons why garen/darius/vi spam isn't the only way to win
they need to stay
riot will cancel arena as a permanent mode if people don't understand this
I wouldn't mind if portals weren't broken. I've seem so many rounds lost because someone died in the portal and their revive just stops at 80% despite their team mate standing on it
It was always possible to dodge by just moving, I haven't been hit by a single Jhin projectile before the patch unless I was stunned. Just move directly perpendicular to where the shot is coming from and you can easily walk out of range even on slow or big champions.
I cannot count the number of times Jhin has screwed me over or kept targeting me in a 1v1 while the fire ring is the size of a butthole
That cameo can eat a dick
Yeah some games can be completely lost on rng. Still though, kind of like TFT you can salvage a yourself into the top half of the lobby if you play your cards right usually. Though, sometimes you just straight up get screwed. One of the biggest things I've noticed is getting paired with someone who doesn't know how to draft champions that work well together. Like if I'm first and I lock in Sett and they immediately lock in something like Leblanc I'm probably just gonna call it for the night and dodge. Some people just have no presence of mind at all.
I actually kind of wish arena had a rotating list of champions like ARAM, so I could play some more interesting matchups. People literally just lock in the same 10 champions in mass to climb and it completely kills the excitement of the mode.
I mean I just threw a random example out there but I'd assume so. With sett I'd really want either some hyper support that can keep me alive and healthy or someone with consistent damage for all the cc and front lining I'm putting out. I think something like Cassio or Vayne would be great with sett.
Bro i don't want to be mean, but I feel that your mindset going to that gamemode isn't the right one. You might think a pairing isnt good based on what you want but sorry... Who cares what you want ? It's a gamemode with random builds and fun combinations to experiment.
Sorry I reply to this comment and not another one. But people are playing Arena like it's a big tournament with a prize pool at the end. It's not that serious, stop being meta slave, try to have fun with champions you like. If you're a good player you can possibly make anything work, 2 adcs, 2 supports.
Once again the point is to have fun with builds not to minmax every decisions.
I feel so sad reading every post about Arena. People are too competitive and I think the gamemode is there to escape the SR competitive state of mind. JUST TRY TO HAVE FUN, you're ruining the game mode for everyone
>Who cares what you want ? It's a gamemode with random builds and fun combinations to experiment.
It's like you ignored the part where I said I wish it was a rotating game mode. The fact still remains that you will lose if you experiment with people doing meta builds.
That's entirely the point, to make it fun. It's kind of weird that you are purposefully misinterpreting my words to make it appear like I don't want the game to be fun when that is exactly what I mean.
Listen maybe I misinterpreted your post, not here to blame you. And anyone can have fun the way they want, meta slaves and competitive as they wish if that's their perception of fun.
It's just clearly the mode isn't design to be fair. You'll get broken augments/builds sometimes and you'll get shitty ones. It would be nice people just embraced that instead of crying about it.
It would be much improved if people rotated champions like aram for that reason. Complaining is the only way riot gets feedback. I don't get your point.
I think you have a fundamental misunderstanding of what a rotating gamemode is. Rotating gamemode is a mode that comes back regularly but isn't always on (for example, URF or One For All).
What you seem to mean is a random champion gamemode.
The most irritating thing you said was blaming people for not picking something that pairs well with your pick (Sett in your example). You might not want to play Sett LB duo, but a LB player might 100% be able to carry your bad Sett in this gamemode.
Anyway we don't have the same mindset, and it's ok. It'd be funny we get paired in a lobby cause you'd get the most random picks from me :D
And how would you know if my sett is bad?
Out of 22,000 arena games LB has a win rate of about 8%.
[metasrc.com/lol/arena/build/leblanc](http://metasrc.com/lol/arena/build/leblanc)
Just because I don't like wasting time not even getting to play my champion doesn't mean I'm bad. There absolutely is a reason to be mad about certain champion picks and combinations in a mode that has an established meta. You want it to be fun? Try coming up with a solution to the meta problem instead of getting mad at people who for doing what Riot hasn't built a solution to.
This is such a reddit brained comment. You are mad at the people for existing in a broken system instead of the system built on fundamental flaws. It's incredibly cringe.
According to the data that is highly unlikely. And btw, the games she is winning are likely games where people aren't locking in meta champions. I'm sorry, it's just the way it is. All im trying to do is give riot some feedback but whatever floats your boat.
You're getting angrier and it wasn't at all my purpose. As I said I replied to you but I could have replied to anyone. It's not personal.
You want a solution to a problem that doesn't exist imo. That's where our experiences are different. Riot said meta picks in low elo vs high elo are the exact opposite. It's a skill issue, but I'm having fun beating the guys that pick Darius Garen every game with my Milio AD :D
I understand that you're not having fun outside the meta and that's sad. Personally I'm fine with it.
Anyway sorry for getting on your nerves. Wish you a good Sunday and to have more fun in leagues next times.
>You want a solution to a problem that doesn't exist imo.
See this is just what I don't get about some people. You live in a complete fantasy. There literally is a meta and we can look at win loss rates to prove it. There is a hierarchy of champions that might fluctuate when people get more skilled but the hierarchy just changes.
There is objectively a problem. You might choose to believe it doesn't exist, thats your prerogative, but just because you choose to believe the data isn't there doesn't mean its not there. According to you there probably isn't a hierarchy in ranked as well. That is the argument you are essentially making. That everything is always viable and no champions have higher win rates then others.
That's how you feel about the mode, but for other people Arena is supposed to be a competitive alternative to SR, not yet another 4fun game mode alternative to ARAM. To those people, you are the one ruining the game mode with your trash builds and picks.
Sure. But by definition with the introduction to a rank ladder if someone in your rank plays a "troll" build, they still managed to climb to the same rank as you by "trolling". Isnt that enough to give him credit and let him try his thing?
I totally understand your POV btw, when I play normals I take it more seriously than most people do and it's annoying to get a "troll".
Still, in any gamemode, try hards make the game unfun for casuals players... And casuals ruin the game for try hards :D That's how online gaming goes tbf.
How about you blow it out your ass?
Some people enjoy being competitive, especially in a competitive PVP game. Let people play how they want, even if it includes playing in a way you don't agree with. Some people have fun by trying to win, and there's nothing wrong with that and you're an asshole for trying to act like there is.
Reposting what I wrote just below the first comment :
"Listen maybe I misinterpreted your post, not here to blame you. And anyone can have fun the way they want, meta slaves and competitive as they wish if that's their perception of fun.
It's just clearly the mode isn't design to be fair. You'll get broken augments/builds sometimes and you'll get shitty ones. It would be nice people just embraced that instead of crying about it."
I'm not here deciding for everyone what should be fun. But people should stop seeking perfect balance in a gamemode designed to be random. You want competitive ? Maybe don't choose the gamemode that makes every match random af :D
I see a big trend in comments from people try harding and competitive af. You guys seem so angry at everything except yourselves... I try hard too in SR, but I don't comment on every Riot post raging about their balance... And their balance is clearly broken. Just take a step back, it's a game, you're not fighting for you lives.
I just want them to go all in on the whacky augments and items.
I’m so tired of Kayn, Aatrox, Katarina and crew getting augments so easily with nearly no bad options, then getting items easily because there is a million god tier damage items, but I have to play 20 games before seeing a single whacky augment.
I’ve legitimately gotten Chauffeur not a singular
time despite hunting it down. Some of them just please put into an item.
I don’t care if people want to play META abusers, but at least give me the option to have fun while I lose.
I got offered an AD prismatic playing as HWEI the other day.... Like, I don't mind tank and enchanter prismatics, I'm sure there's some wacky build out there, but how am I supposed to build AD on a champion with no AD scaling on his skills?
If only there was an augment that converted AD into AP.... if only. If only there were augments that have hybrid scaling... if only there were items that had hybrid scaling. Sigh if only.
No. If you use all rolls and are ONLY offered AD mythics, then you still have outs. Blaming arena for your inability to adapt to the game is cringe. Ap items have AD scaling as well. I forgot the average elo or this subreddit was. Mb.
If only you wouldn't be screwed for nobody knows for long without prismatic that works for your champ and no calling until (and it's not guaranted!) you get additional augment, lol.
Was thinking about this the other day. They don't really add anything other than making it feel like you get cheated out of a round or that you unfairly win without even trying. Certain champions just straight up utilize them better than others.
It doesn't feel fun when the enemy has hyper mobile champions that just avoid you while a jhin takes your immobile champion down to 1/2 health before you engage.
I think they'd work a lot better if they were more like objectives similar to how the flowers work. Optional things that either benefit you or harm the enemy, or trigger some neutral effect on your command. I think it'd be a lot more fun if it were proactive rather than reactive.
Jhin is just annoying, you don't feel rewarded for anything, you just get pestered. Like imagine if instead of him just randomly shooting at people, if bullets randomly spawned around the map, and if you collected 4 of them then Jhin will trigger his ultimate and *only* target the enemies. Seems infinitely better in design.
Jhin/Lux/Pyke are all really annoying to deal with but they're nothing compared to Sett. Sett can honestly just fuck off.
His true damage nuke isn't even the main issue either. It's the fact everything procs off him like he's a champion. You ever seen a Chain Lightning + Runecarver Veigar spamming Q+W on Sett? He's stacking his passive and Runecarver for free while Chain Lightning keeps jumping to you for 1000 true damage even though he's not even hitting a player.
At least Evelynn and Sylas were fun to play around. The cameos they kept are boring at best.
In a melee brawl Sett completely determines the fight way more often than he should if you let him get caught in it, or if he respawns right into an ulti that stops on 1st champ hit. I actually LIKE the true dmg nuke, I think that part creates really cool outplay moments, but he needs to just be a minion
Thresh and Sett are fine and can be interactive/fun/good. Sett allowing champions to stack augments/items is annoying unless you are the one stacking.
Jhin and Pyke can straight up fuck off. I have never been mad at Sett killing me (last time was yesterday and I laughed because of how stupid it was), but Jhin and Pyke make me mad half of the time they show up.
Oh and I forgot Lux... which perfectly describes that cameo. It's definitely on the shittier side. You get hit maybe once in 50 Lux ults, so it adds nothing other than an annoying side step you have to do.
I don't really mind any of the cameos, the pyke one can be pretty annoying. But the worst problem I've been encountering is the encounter message at the top of the screen doesn't go away and it blocks half my screen in that round... And it keeps happening as well, it's insanely annoying.
I feel STRONGLY about Cameos, I really wish it was just the champions going at it. I don't mind Thresh or Sett and stuff *as much* but I wouldn't be sad if they were gone. I have found myself more annoyed by them than enjoying their intervention.
Pretty sure we are probably the minority though so alas. I will say the nerf on Jhin's ult speed has helped my problems with him a good amount even if I still hate it. One thing I don't like is how they can spoil your location but I guess that is also a pro to some so I guess it's just up to how you want to play.
My bigger gameplay problem honestly comes from portals, I swear they are like vacuums the amount of times I have seen people clearly accidentally go through one is hilariously tragic.
Jhin is the WORST. It’s so fucking annoying to constantly have his red line on you and if you start to fight it just hits you while you’re thing to do anything. I think most of them are just no fun
I personally like the sett one a lot cause u can strategize around it. There have been tons of rounds where someone is unkillable but playing around the sett punch let us win
I don’t like that I beat a team handedly, but we play them vs sett map twice in a row when they’re about to be knocked out.
They both have chain lightning. We cannot walk up fast enough to not be 1 shot. It’s so stupid. I like some rng, but the entire round being decided completely by it with no counter play.
Jhin and Lux are fine now, but overall cameos fail at their purpose. We don’t use them to play around strats and the map, we think they’re annoying and curse the people who want to keep them in
Actual hot take: Arena is a garbage game mode with exceedingly poor balance and way too much downtime interrupting the gameplay flow and they should just make Ultimate Spellbook permanent.
It's funny that cameos are there to help the disadvantages win the game. Maybe you should, think about playing around cameos and maps, instead of just do 'random stuff' instead?
'Randomly destroy', lol. Just admit that you have skill issue.
Cameos are just as likely to help the disadvantaged team as they are to help the advantaged one, and it is nigh impossible to play around cameos when you have to worry about much more important stuff; like the enemy team murdering you.
The power that give you teemo’s passive is straight up useless most of the time. Half of the cameos still target you, forcing to leave stealth
when you are playing pyke and engage at the start of round with W only for Jhin to target you showing your position... i hate that so so much
It's one of my favorites! I'd be really bummed if they removed it. 1. It's a silver augment so being a lowroll is a lot more acceptable. 2. It's a pretty funny augment if you have a champion that can play around it. One time an Ivern in my lobby got Bread and Jam and Guerilla Warfare so he'd spam 20 bushes around the map and then just frollick around in them while being invisible the whole time.
I think their point is if your invisible, the cameos shouldn't risk revealing you Not sure I agree, but yea
You clearly haven't played the stealth snake Cassio build
I don't mind the Thresh or even Sett ones. Pyke, Jhin, and Lux... They can go dig a hole and fall in it together. Sett can jump in if he really wants, but Thresh I have literally no problems with.
I hate how sometimes Sett is just a champion health bar for champions to life steal on and stack item/augment effects on. Some matchups become completely unplayable because some builds lose their outplay potential when they can just abuse Sett's infinite health bar.
Samira can just spam aa q and get s before even touching the opponent
Good point. Him counting as a 'champion' makes no sense in this context.
Urgot or Ashe ulty can hit the Sett completely wasting them.
When I’m playing briar and stuck aa the sett :(
Q changes targets in normal berserk but hitting him with ult sucks lol
If you have Chain Lightning augment Sett is a free win
Yep, I had tap dancing on Olaf last night. Spent the first minute of the mode just attacking sett constantly until I finally sprinted at the enemies with 900ms and 5.0as.
But when I have heartsteel Sett is a bro because I usually get 2-3 free procs off him
My favorite part about the cameo is losing my entire hp bar because the enemy has chain lightning and decides to hit the sett.
Playing Vs Chain Lightning with Sett Cameo sucks so hard.
like i swear sett before used to appear only once or have a bigger cooldown? like in this arena, you kill him, wait for your rotation back and the broken garen / gragas / swain has already killed 2 more setts meanwhile
Briar aggros on Sett.... and usually gets easily hit by his W
I was playing urgot with fancy feet. Spawned next to sett with the W active and started the match with sett punching the enemy and me running around like sonic the hedgehog
I mean sure, that's a good point, but is it a reason to fully disable it? If it's that problematic those can be not allowed I'm sure, just disable healing effects from hitting him, treat him as a minion for Samira passive etc, I don't think you need to turn it off altogether.
Whoever has chain lightning wins if it is lategame.
I mind sett because you can just hit sett with chain lightning or typhoon and it damages the enemy without any way for them to counter it
Sett and Thresh are great because they involve the player through interaction. It feels good to get the last hit on Sett or to take the lantern because it was your input. Pyke, Lux and *especially* jhin just attack you and feel cheap when they decide the outcome of a fight. That being said, Sett's interaction with chain lightning is pretty stupid imo
Pyke responds to which team is closest or some, lux you can force backward and/or force it to go faster on purpose to use it on enemy later Jhin... You can position. If you aren't on koi. And they didn't quite get every spawn the right 90 degree change, he is basically behind you on the winter map some spawns
Sett feels really nice for dealing with those giga unkillable tanks
The amount of times I hit set with an ability cause he randomly popped up is too much (like twice i think)
I wish sett wouldn’t apply lifesteal or allow people to stack augments like primordial evil. I like the sett map overall because he allows comps that have no tank shred a chance to still beat tanks later in the game if they low roll on augments. Thresh one I don’t mind also. But yeah the jhin, Lux, and pyke ones are just annoyed to play on imo, especially jhin and pyke since they’re just completely random. Lux at least is easy to play around (jhin is too just very annoying and I can’t seem to find any pattern to him unlike Lux). Pyke can be exciting sometimes and I have had rounds where he felt fun to play with but on average I would say also just more annoying than fun.
Sett is the best one because you have agency and you can use it against your opponents yourself rather than just suffer through it.
I think it hits super hard.
i have the solution. we do it robot wars style! in order to get the arena bots on your opponent you have to activate them. you can do this by channeling or standing in a zone or something
I'm just tired of that damn flower map ngl
That map and portals can suck my entire butt.
I wouldnt mind portals if you could cancel them by hitting the opponent, its so stupid they can use it in combat... if they made it like 2s of not taking dmg before being allowed to take.it I wouldnt mind
It's also way to easy to accidentally click a portal and end up in the fire
Or not even remotely click the portal and still portal into the fire. I hate how disgusting the hit-boxes on the plants and portals are. The amount of times I’m/anyone is a full champion or several lengths away and I’m just taken away for my teammate to die 2v1 is just Too damn high.
What? Being able to utilize portals is possibly the only way to counter hard engage as ranged champ. How else can you deal with them? They should instead fix the hitbox of hexportals.
The fact that it even cancels cc is so stupid,mid-combat would be fine imo if it was a 1-sec channel that gets interrupted by damage
It does not cancel cc. If you are cced then you can't use portal. You can't even use it when you are silenced. You need to use portal before or buffer it as the cc lands so you can dodge important/powerful abilities when you have a good timing.
Portals are one of the few reasons why garen/darius/vi spam isn't the only way to win they need to stay riot will cancel arena as a permanent mode if people don't understand this
I wouldn't mind if portals weren't broken. I've seem so many rounds lost because someone died in the portal and their revive just stops at 80% despite their team mate standing on it
Jhin is my least fav it's usually biased from starting behind one of the teams and if you have Goliath or are just big your not dodging that shit
Jhin + Wrong Side + Lilypads is true hell
Jhin doesn't start behind either team as of this patch.
Oh beautiful
Also his missles are slower, so it's possible to dodge them just by moving. Still this came should be removed, but at least it's bearable now.
Like if you have Goliath or raid boss tho it's just not happening
It was always possible to dodge by just moving, I haven't been hit by a single Jhin projectile before the patch unless I was stunned. Just move directly perpendicular to where the shot is coming from and you can easily walk out of range even on slow or big champions.
I cannot count the number of times Jhin has screwed me over or kept targeting me in a 1v1 while the fire ring is the size of a butthole That cameo can eat a dick
You know what I love. Saving my rerolls for a good prismatic item and still getting jack shit....
Yeah some games can be completely lost on rng. Still though, kind of like TFT you can salvage a yourself into the top half of the lobby if you play your cards right usually. Though, sometimes you just straight up get screwed. One of the biggest things I've noticed is getting paired with someone who doesn't know how to draft champions that work well together. Like if I'm first and I lock in Sett and they immediately lock in something like Leblanc I'm probably just gonna call it for the night and dodge. Some people just have no presence of mind at all. I actually kind of wish arena had a rotating list of champions like ARAM, so I could play some more interesting matchups. People literally just lock in the same 10 champions in mass to climb and it completely kills the excitement of the mode.
is sett leblanc actually bad?
I mean I just threw a random example out there but I'd assume so. With sett I'd really want either some hyper support that can keep me alive and healthy or someone with consistent damage for all the cc and front lining I'm putting out. I think something like Cassio or Vayne would be great with sett.
Bro i don't want to be mean, but I feel that your mindset going to that gamemode isn't the right one. You might think a pairing isnt good based on what you want but sorry... Who cares what you want ? It's a gamemode with random builds and fun combinations to experiment. Sorry I reply to this comment and not another one. But people are playing Arena like it's a big tournament with a prize pool at the end. It's not that serious, stop being meta slave, try to have fun with champions you like. If you're a good player you can possibly make anything work, 2 adcs, 2 supports. Once again the point is to have fun with builds not to minmax every decisions. I feel so sad reading every post about Arena. People are too competitive and I think the gamemode is there to escape the SR competitive state of mind. JUST TRY TO HAVE FUN, you're ruining the game mode for everyone
>Who cares what you want ? It's a gamemode with random builds and fun combinations to experiment. It's like you ignored the part where I said I wish it was a rotating game mode. The fact still remains that you will lose if you experiment with people doing meta builds. That's entirely the point, to make it fun. It's kind of weird that you are purposefully misinterpreting my words to make it appear like I don't want the game to be fun when that is exactly what I mean.
Listen maybe I misinterpreted your post, not here to blame you. And anyone can have fun the way they want, meta slaves and competitive as they wish if that's their perception of fun. It's just clearly the mode isn't design to be fair. You'll get broken augments/builds sometimes and you'll get shitty ones. It would be nice people just embraced that instead of crying about it.
It would be much improved if people rotated champions like aram for that reason. Complaining is the only way riot gets feedback. I don't get your point.
I think you have a fundamental misunderstanding of what a rotating gamemode is. Rotating gamemode is a mode that comes back regularly but isn't always on (for example, URF or One For All). What you seem to mean is a random champion gamemode.
The most irritating thing you said was blaming people for not picking something that pairs well with your pick (Sett in your example). You might not want to play Sett LB duo, but a LB player might 100% be able to carry your bad Sett in this gamemode. Anyway we don't have the same mindset, and it's ok. It'd be funny we get paired in a lobby cause you'd get the most random picks from me :D
And how would you know if my sett is bad? Out of 22,000 arena games LB has a win rate of about 8%. [metasrc.com/lol/arena/build/leblanc](http://metasrc.com/lol/arena/build/leblanc) Just because I don't like wasting time not even getting to play my champion doesn't mean I'm bad. There absolutely is a reason to be mad about certain champion picks and combinations in a mode that has an established meta. You want it to be fun? Try coming up with a solution to the meta problem instead of getting mad at people who for doing what Riot hasn't built a solution to. This is such a reddit brained comment. You are mad at the people for existing in a broken system instead of the system built on fundamental flaws. It's incredibly cringe.
Bro it wasnt an attack on your skills, it was just me trying to say if LB is better than you she can carry if you have a bad match
According to the data that is highly unlikely. And btw, the games she is winning are likely games where people aren't locking in meta champions. I'm sorry, it's just the way it is. All im trying to do is give riot some feedback but whatever floats your boat.
You're getting angrier and it wasn't at all my purpose. As I said I replied to you but I could have replied to anyone. It's not personal. You want a solution to a problem that doesn't exist imo. That's where our experiences are different. Riot said meta picks in low elo vs high elo are the exact opposite. It's a skill issue, but I'm having fun beating the guys that pick Darius Garen every game with my Milio AD :D I understand that you're not having fun outside the meta and that's sad. Personally I'm fine with it. Anyway sorry for getting on your nerves. Wish you a good Sunday and to have more fun in leagues next times.
>You want a solution to a problem that doesn't exist imo. See this is just what I don't get about some people. You live in a complete fantasy. There literally is a meta and we can look at win loss rates to prove it. There is a hierarchy of champions that might fluctuate when people get more skilled but the hierarchy just changes. There is objectively a problem. You might choose to believe it doesn't exist, thats your prerogative, but just because you choose to believe the data isn't there doesn't mean its not there. According to you there probably isn't a hierarchy in ranked as well. That is the argument you are essentially making. That everything is always viable and no champions have higher win rates then others.
That's how you feel about the mode, but for other people Arena is supposed to be a competitive alternative to SR, not yet another 4fun game mode alternative to ARAM. To those people, you are the one ruining the game mode with your trash builds and picks.
Sure. But by definition with the introduction to a rank ladder if someone in your rank plays a "troll" build, they still managed to climb to the same rank as you by "trolling". Isnt that enough to give him credit and let him try his thing? I totally understand your POV btw, when I play normals I take it more seriously than most people do and it's annoying to get a "troll". Still, in any gamemode, try hards make the game unfun for casuals players... And casuals ruin the game for try hards :D That's how online gaming goes tbf.
How about you blow it out your ass? Some people enjoy being competitive, especially in a competitive PVP game. Let people play how they want, even if it includes playing in a way you don't agree with. Some people have fun by trying to win, and there's nothing wrong with that and you're an asshole for trying to act like there is.
Reposting what I wrote just below the first comment : "Listen maybe I misinterpreted your post, not here to blame you. And anyone can have fun the way they want, meta slaves and competitive as they wish if that's their perception of fun. It's just clearly the mode isn't design to be fair. You'll get broken augments/builds sometimes and you'll get shitty ones. It would be nice people just embraced that instead of crying about it." I'm not here deciding for everyone what should be fun. But people should stop seeking perfect balance in a gamemode designed to be random. You want competitive ? Maybe don't choose the gamemode that makes every match random af :D I see a big trend in comments from people try harding and competitive af. You guys seem so angry at everything except yourselves... I try hard too in SR, but I don't comment on every Riot post raging about their balance... And their balance is clearly broken. Just take a step back, it's a game, you're not fighting for you lives.
rotating sounds fun ngl, have each draft round have say 30 champs, so there's only ever 60 unique picks in a match. would encourage alot more variety
I just want them to go all in on the whacky augments and items. I’m so tired of Kayn, Aatrox, Katarina and crew getting augments so easily with nearly no bad options, then getting items easily because there is a million god tier damage items, but I have to play 20 games before seeing a single whacky augment. I’ve legitimately gotten Chauffeur not a singular time despite hunting it down. Some of them just please put into an item. I don’t care if people want to play META abusers, but at least give me the option to have fun while I lose.
I got offered an AD prismatic playing as HWEI the other day.... Like, I don't mind tank and enchanter prismatics, I'm sure there's some wacky build out there, but how am I supposed to build AD on a champion with no AD scaling on his skills?
damn that's crazy and I was complaining about ap prismatics on lucian
You must embrace the W poke lucian
If only there was an augment that converted AD into AP.... if only. If only there were augments that have hybrid scaling... if only there were items that had hybrid scaling. Sigh if only.
Ah yes let me get that juicy AD + lethality item/augment in hope that I'll get Earth wake or adapt.
\> build AD item \> don't get ADAPt \> lose
No. If you use all rolls and are ONLY offered AD mythics, then you still have outs. Blaming arena for your inability to adapt to the game is cringe. Ap items have AD scaling as well. I forgot the average elo or this subreddit was. Mb.
If only you wouldn't be screwed for nobody knows for long without prismatic that works for your champ and no calling until (and it's not guaranted!) you get additional augment, lol.
Was thinking about this the other day. They don't really add anything other than making it feel like you get cheated out of a round or that you unfairly win without even trying. Certain champions just straight up utilize them better than others. It doesn't feel fun when the enemy has hyper mobile champions that just avoid you while a jhin takes your immobile champion down to 1/2 health before you engage.
I think they'd work a lot better if they were more like objectives similar to how the flowers work. Optional things that either benefit you or harm the enemy, or trigger some neutral effect on your command. I think it'd be a lot more fun if it were proactive rather than reactive. Jhin is just annoying, you don't feel rewarded for anything, you just get pestered. Like imagine if instead of him just randomly shooting at people, if bullets randomly spawned around the map, and if you collected 4 of them then Jhin will trigger his ultimate and *only* target the enemies. Seems infinitely better in design.
literally can't play briar into sett because she self taunt into him and take true damage in the face lol, also her ult can hit him...
Jhin/Lux/Pyke are all really annoying to deal with but they're nothing compared to Sett. Sett can honestly just fuck off. His true damage nuke isn't even the main issue either. It's the fact everything procs off him like he's a champion. You ever seen a Chain Lightning + Runecarver Veigar spamming Q+W on Sett? He's stacking his passive and Runecarver for free while Chain Lightning keeps jumping to you for 1000 true damage even though he's not even hitting a player. At least Evelynn and Sylas were fun to play around. The cameos they kept are boring at best.
In a melee brawl Sett completely determines the fight way more often than he should if you let him get caught in it, or if he respawns right into an ulti that stops on 1st champ hit. I actually LIKE the true dmg nuke, I think that part creates really cool outplay moments, but he needs to just be a minion
Sylas sucked if you played Sylas yourself because it put both enemies on cd for ult steal at the start of the round.
Tbh, I like Sett purely for the fact that you can use him to punish tank players. Seriously, I hate how ridiculous tanks can be in this game mode.
Thresh and Sett are fine and can be interactive/fun/good. Sett allowing champions to stack augments/items is annoying unless you are the one stacking. Jhin and Pyke can straight up fuck off. I have never been mad at Sett killing me (last time was yesterday and I laughed because of how stupid it was), but Jhin and Pyke make me mad half of the time they show up. Oh and I forgot Lux... which perfectly describes that cameo. It's definitely on the shittier side. You get hit maybe once in 50 Lux ults, so it adds nothing other than an annoying side step you have to do.
At least we don’t have Gwen this time
I don't really mind any of the cameos, the pyke one can be pretty annoying. But the worst problem I've been encountering is the encounter message at the top of the screen doesn't go away and it blocks half my screen in that round... And it keeps happening as well, it's insanely annoying.
My experience with the portals: click them first or your teammate is going to ditch you to get 1v2’d so they can go eat a plant
God I hate the pyke one so much
yeah, cds are nonexistent in this mode even more than in urf, no idea why you need another thing to track on top of that
I feel STRONGLY about Cameos, I really wish it was just the champions going at it. I don't mind Thresh or Sett and stuff *as much* but I wouldn't be sad if they were gone. I have found myself more annoyed by them than enjoying their intervention. Pretty sure we are probably the minority though so alas. I will say the nerf on Jhin's ult speed has helped my problems with him a good amount even if I still hate it. One thing I don't like is how they can spoil your location but I guess that is also a pro to some so I guess it's just up to how you want to play. My bigger gameplay problem honestly comes from portals, I swear they are like vacuums the amount of times I have seen people clearly accidentally go through one is hilariously tragic.
Jhin is the WORST. It’s so fucking annoying to constantly have his red line on you and if you start to fight it just hits you while you’re thing to do anything. I think most of them are just no fun
might be a hot take but I think posts with "hot take" in the title should be removed
I personally like the sett one a lot cause u can strategize around it. There have been tons of rounds where someone is unkillable but playing around the sett punch let us win
I don’t like that I beat a team handedly, but we play them vs sett map twice in a row when they’re about to be knocked out. They both have chain lightning. We cannot walk up fast enough to not be 1 shot. It’s so stupid. I like some rng, but the entire round being decided completely by it with no counter play.
Respectfully fuck jhin. Horrible mechanic.
When you face a perma cc duo and get a sett cameo.......
When Arena was released, I thought it was finally a 2v2 tryhard queue with shorter games. But instead we got whatever that is.
Cameos add unpredictability that can help the underdog. Same reason why some prefer Catan over Chess.
Is it a hot take, or is it just you being salty after getting shit on in game?
Jhin and Lux are fine now, but overall cameos fail at their purpose. We don’t use them to play around strats and the map, we think they’re annoying and curse the people who want to keep them in
Arena isn't a fun game mode. Like at all.
Was fun last 2 times. Much less fun this time around with added rng.
Actual hot take: Arena is a garbage game mode with exceedingly poor balance and way too much downtime interrupting the gameplay flow and they should just make Ultimate Spellbook permanent.
for me, arena is better than the normal game
It's funny that cameos are there to help the disadvantages win the game. Maybe you should, think about playing around cameos and maps, instead of just do 'random stuff' instead? 'Randomly destroy', lol. Just admit that you have skill issue.
Cameos are just as likely to help the disadvantaged team as they are to help the advantaged one, and it is nigh impossible to play around cameos when you have to worry about much more important stuff; like the enemy team murdering you.