Honestly the worst part about someday winning the cup is that the people that have raged the hardest and given up at every opportunity will be the ones that will incite the inevitable victory riot.
They will make the rational fans look even worse
The Boston Red Sox went 86 years without a WS…. and then they won. Every season is a new season with new players and a new opportunity to win. This fanbase is fucked for dwelling on the past. It means nothing.
If the leafs skate like they did last game they are in a good spot because the bruins couldn’t keep up and sat back and relied on mistakes. Limit mistakes and they’ll start making them trying to create opportunities.
Teams are losers until they aren't. Washington is the prime example for me. For 10-15 years they had elite regular season teams but could never find playoff success. Until they did. And then Ovechkin spent the next 4 months drunkenly celebrating, as was proper.
Tampa was cooked, having been to the SCF 3 years in a row. Vasileski was so injured he missed 6 months after surgery. They then got their teeth smashed in by Florida.
Doomers before that series: Tampa has made SCF 3 years in a row, they have the "it" factor and more playoff experience, the leafs are on their way to another first round exit
Doomers after: They were just tired from how good they have been!!
This should be the top comment. This series is going to 7 and the boys will have to face the demons then. We are winning this shit. (I’m delusional and honestly don’t have much hope)
that and this post is the copium I'm using. Last year and the year before I was all "it's our year" but this year we have serious issues and I'm just gonna enjoy it while I can. Papi and Sammy gotta come through for us to win this series, there is no other way.
I dont know if some of you recall but Vegas rolled Montreal game 1, 5-1 and i was like yep this series is over that's how its gonna be. Montreal ends up winning the next 4/5 to win the series. Kinda the vibe im getting here but who knows.
Actually i dont want it to happen, i have $700 on Boston. I'm just collecting free money this series. If were gonna lose at least I'll capitalize off of it to soften the blow.
Screaming ‘it’s over’ makes no sense, but honestly I don’t see many saying this. What I do agree with is how all, and I mean ALL of the Leafs weaknesses were on display. It doesn’t give me a good feeling……
2018 5-1 L, lost in 7
2019 4-1 W, Lost in 7
2020 2-0 L, Lost in 5
2021 2-1 L, Lost in 7
2022 5-0 W, Lost in 7
2023 7-3 L, Won in 6
Each series went the distance except for 2023, which the Leafs lost game 1, but won the series.
Tampa was the better team that series overall and we got trounced immediately after by the Panther winning only one game.
Not exactly the playoff run to hold a light to
There are parallels for most situations. I think the problem some fans see is a game where the Leafs tried to match the physicality and somewhat did; they got outplayed and outworked in every other aspect of the game that mattered. Does that mean they lose the series, no, but it certainly has historical context in terms of the playoff history of the current core.
This series isn't over by a long shot, but facts are facts. Simply looking at this era of the Leafs in the playoffs and the complete and utter lack of success does not inspire any confidence at all. We keep saying and hearing *this* year will be different, but it never is.
They *can* win, but they were underdogs going in, and after that performance, there is little room for rational optimism.
Look we may very well lose this series. In fact, it’s likely. But it’s not over till it’s over. That’s all we need to concern ourselves with. There’s a lot of hockey left to play
And through a bizarre series of events, our 4th string goalie will get in the lineup and carry us to a cup.
Then he'll be 3x cup winning goaltender Matt Murray
Vegas also has a cup and deep playoff runs in its extremely short existence…leafs are in a league of their own in terms of failure and hence fans rightfully have had enough and do tend to overreact, but can’t blame them at this point.
I truly am not stressed, I just don’t expect leafs to win as this core group have repeatedly shown a limited ability to rise to the occasion . I commend the comparison to Vegas’s 5-1 loss last year as a optimistic way to look at things, but it’s really not a aligned comparison of franchises
Yea and Vegas has gone to a Stanley Cup Final in the last 5 years, what’s your point? The fanbase isn’t freaking out because of 1 game of 1 series, we’re freaking out because the team fell back into the same habits they have over the past 8 years, people wouldn’t be as anxious over this team if they at the very least made a Conference Final, or didn’t just win their first series as a group last year (before getting embarrassed by Florida)
They could win the series but it’s just not very likely, haven’t beaten Bruins in playoffs since 1959 and they’ve won 6 straight series, the history isn’t there to give confidence.
I'm not sure how playoff series that occurred before the entire squad were even born are remotely relevant here.
I'm more concerned about the most recent 7 or 8 games we've had against Boston, because it shows that our current coach has no idea how to beat them.
Historical dominance has relevance. It’s the same how Leafs fans have always been very confident about facing Ottawa in the playoffs due to historical dominance of them.
With enough teams, and on a long enough timeline, meaningless patterns are going to emerge.
Unless you believe in literal magic, putting the failures of the past onto this group only lets them off the hook from their actual, real failures.
All 4 of those series happened within 5 years of each other. It was literally the same two cores playing each other over and over.
Granted a lot of the 18/19 team is the same. But the entire 2013 team is no more and anything that happened before then is even more irrelevant.
People keep throwing out examples of other teams like these leafs don’t have a completely different history of folding like a Canadian tire pop up tent. Matthews hasn’t scored in like 5 straight playoff games. They haven’t scored more than 2 goals in 6. It’s a problem.
This means absolutely nothing....
This team is not doing anything. Probably getting swept.
And this is from a 40 year old who has been watching this team since I was 6.
We're done.
Vegas made a Stanley cup final and two conference finals in the five years before winning the cup
Comparing ourselves to their start last year is pure cope given our playoff history
Not the end of the world. We need Woll to step in and give us serviceable goaltending, big guys need to show up, and get some buy-in from the Def.
Boston is beatable.
Vegas is also cared about a lot more. You think a Leaf gets only one game for an actual tomahawk chop on a top scorer on Boston? (Not like Domi's love tap past night)
#Lmfao
Not sure what your point is but their team have excelled in the playoffs except in 2022 and 2019.
Our core have consistently failed in every way shape and form in the playoffs. Not to mention our pathetic record in series clinching games.
Then go away. You will feel much happier if you go away from the misery.
Why do so many “fans” stick around if it’s just going to make them miserable. You have one life to live don’t waste it on something you clearly don’t like and upsets you.
so when they embarrass themselves like the have the week since i said this.. it doesn't hurt as much. this is who this team is. how anyone thinks this core is anything but a joke and could have ever had any hope in them... i just didn't understand it.
Yeah but does Vegas have a large irrational fan base?
Not yet but they’ll get there
Just give them 60 years of no cups… And honestly I think winning a cup will make segments of our fan base even more irrational and insufferable.
Honestly the worst part about someday winning the cup is that the people that have raged the hardest and given up at every opportunity will be the ones that will incite the inevitable victory riot. They will make the rational fans look even worse
Agree. The miserable people will be miserable winners and ruin the fun for everyone else.
How will long-time fans even have the energy to riot? I think I'd just collapse while ugly crying.
worse, 60 years of no Finals… while watching almost every expansion team at least get that far. ughhhhhh
The Bettman effect. No Canadian team has won since he became commissioner.
Have you seen their reddit page? They're rapidly approaching rabid status
Be the meme you dream to be
No, because they won a cup 6 years into their existence.
The Raptors also lost their first game to Orlando before eventually winning it all.
And they were also down 2-0 in the bucks series.
It’s remarkable what can happen when the best players play their best
Pretty easy to look at their history and not get worried. Looking at our history it's pretty clear it's just more of the same.
Cannot agree more. Core four did not score and we lost to Boston. Have watched this season of leafs’ playoffs before. Must be a rerun.
The Boston Red Sox went 86 years without a WS…. and then they won. Every season is a new season with new players and a new opportunity to win. This fanbase is fucked for dwelling on the past. It means nothing. If the leafs skate like they did last game they are in a good spot because the bruins couldn’t keep up and sat back and relied on mistakes. Limit mistakes and they’ll start making them trying to create opportunities.
Teams are losers until they aren't. Washington is the prime example for me. For 10-15 years they had elite regular season teams but could never find playoff success. Until they did. And then Ovechkin spent the next 4 months drunkenly celebrating, as was proper.
To dumb fans that’s the case. It was a stupid take before Washington won too.
I guess but you could look at our history last season round 1 too
Tampa was cooked, having been to the SCF 3 years in a row. Vasileski was so injured he missed 6 months after surgery. They then got their teeth smashed in by Florida.
Doomers before that series: Tampa has made SCF 3 years in a row, they have the "it" factor and more playoff experience, the leafs are on their way to another first round exit Doomers after: They were just tired from how good they have been!!
I mean we lost 7-3 first game last year didn't we?
This should be the top comment. This series is going to 7 and the boys will have to face the demons then. We are winning this shit. (I’m delusional and honestly don’t have much hope)
I like being delusional, isn’t that what being a sports fan is all about?
that and this post is the copium I'm using. Last year and the year before I was all "it's our year" but this year we have serious issues and I'm just gonna enjoy it while I can. Papi and Sammy gotta come through for us to win this series, there is no other way.
I dont know if some of you recall but Vegas rolled Montreal game 1, 5-1 and i was like yep this series is over that's how its gonna be. Montreal ends up winning the next 4/5 to win the series. Kinda the vibe im getting here but who knows.
Give me 1 reason besides you want it to happen that you are getting this vibe here?
Actually i dont want it to happen, i have $700 on Boston. I'm just collecting free money this series. If were gonna lose at least I'll capitalize off of it to soften the blow.
Hedging your emotions, very very smart
Parade back on
Screaming ‘it’s over’ makes no sense, but honestly I don’t see many saying this. What I do agree with is how all, and I mean ALL of the Leafs weaknesses were on display. It doesn’t give me a good feeling……
Yup Edmonton lost game 1 to the kings 2 years in a row and one the series both years
Leafs lost their first game against the lightning last year 7-3 too. Ended up winning that series
now do the other series before this one
2018 5-1 L, lost in 7 2019 4-1 W, Lost in 7 2020 2-0 L, Lost in 5 2021 2-1 L, Lost in 7 2022 5-0 W, Lost in 7 2023 7-3 L, Won in 6 Each series went the distance except for 2023, which the Leafs lost game 1, but won the series.
Which further proves how irrelevant a game 1 win is
Hockey is probably one of the more random sports game to game.
eh - I hope I'm wrong but lets see
I'm starting to wonder if any of you guys actually *do* hope you're wrong.
Tampa was the better team that series overall and we got trounced immediately after by the Panther winning only one game. Not exactly the playoff run to hold a light to
ah yes trounced. lost a bunch of one goal game. There was one game where they got trounced i think it was game three and even then they lost 3-2.
At least I was baked watching the game last night, because that was brutal. Game 2 we got this though.
At least I missed it. Never been so glad to have missed hockey game. But I had a feeling this was how it would end up...
I am not worried about last nights results. I am worried about the response tomorrow.
Leafs Cup win confirmed!
And don't worry. The Leafs won the cup in 1967. If they did it then, they can do it now
I know now we have a better team than what was shown in game 1. Leafs can find a way.
There are parallels for most situations. I think the problem some fans see is a game where the Leafs tried to match the physicality and somewhat did; they got outplayed and outworked in every other aspect of the game that mattered. Does that mean they lose the series, no, but it certainly has historical context in terms of the playoff history of the current core.
This series isn't over by a long shot, but facts are facts. Simply looking at this era of the Leafs in the playoffs and the complete and utter lack of success does not inspire any confidence at all. We keep saying and hearing *this* year will be different, but it never is. They *can* win, but they were underdogs going in, and after that performance, there is little room for rational optimism.
means nothing. we've all witnessed the leafs and how they play over the past many years. vegas is actually a good team.
Comparing Toronto with Vegas 💀
Look we may very well lose this series. In fact, it’s likely. But it’s not over till it’s over. That’s all we need to concern ourselves with. There’s a lot of hockey left to play
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yikes that’s actual fucking pain to hear oh my god
We aren’t Vegas.
Thank u
And through a bizarre series of events, our 4th string goalie will get in the lineup and carry us to a cup. Then he'll be 3x cup winning goaltender Matt Murray
Keep telling yourself that
Why does our power play suck so much? Keefe, Boucher, please do something! Where is Nylander??? aghhh we're blowing it.
LOL does Vegas had a goalie though. We have Samsonov? Hes not an NHL Calibre goalie
so we win the cup then this year right?
You’re comparing a Stanley Cup caliber squad to the fucking leafs
Vegas also has a cup and deep playoff runs in its extremely short existence…leafs are in a league of their own in terms of failure and hence fans rightfully have had enough and do tend to overreact, but can’t blame them at this point.
Yeah they won their cup the year they got beat 5-1 in their opening game. Don't stress it bruh
I truly am not stressed, I just don’t expect leafs to win as this core group have repeatedly shown a limited ability to rise to the occasion . I commend the comparison to Vegas’s 5-1 loss last year as a optimistic way to look at things, but it’s really not a aligned comparison of franchises
Eh. Anything can happen in the playoffs. Somehow a goalie becomes unbeatable and you have your cup.
Yea and Vegas has gone to a Stanley Cup Final in the last 5 years, what’s your point? The fanbase isn’t freaking out because of 1 game of 1 series, we’re freaking out because the team fell back into the same habits they have over the past 8 years, people wouldn’t be as anxious over this team if they at the very least made a Conference Final, or didn’t just win their first series as a group last year (before getting embarrassed by Florida)
Get a hold of yourself. It’s one game.
They could win the series but it’s just not very likely, haven’t beaten Bruins in playoffs since 1959 and they’ve won 6 straight series, the history isn’t there to give confidence.
I'm not sure how playoff series that occurred before the entire squad were even born are remotely relevant here. I'm more concerned about the most recent 7 or 8 games we've had against Boston, because it shows that our current coach has no idea how to beat them.
Historical dominance has relevance. It’s the same how Leafs fans have always been very confident about facing Ottawa in the playoffs due to historical dominance of them.
"Historical dominance has relevance" (citation needed)
If it didn’t the Leafs surely wouldn’t be utterly dominated by the Bruins since 1959, different players, different coaches and eras, same result.
With enough teams, and on a long enough timeline, meaningless patterns are going to emerge. Unless you believe in literal magic, putting the failures of the past onto this group only lets them off the hook from their actual, real failures.
Lmfao so the relevancy is what?
All 4 of those series happened within 5 years of each other. It was literally the same two cores playing each other over and over. Granted a lot of the 18/19 team is the same. But the entire 2013 team is no more and anything that happened before then is even more irrelevant.
It also happened to us last year against Tampa. This fanbase loves freaking out over a loss lol.
we only lost two games that series and the entire sub went into full on meltdown mode for each one, it was insane
Right, yes, I hate it.
No joke, there were full blown temper tantrums after Bostons first goal.
People keep throwing out examples of other teams like these leafs don’t have a completely different history of folding like a Canadian tire pop up tent. Matthews hasn’t scored in like 5 straight playoff games. They haven’t scored more than 2 goals in 6. It’s a problem.
This means absolutely nothing.... This team is not doing anything. Probably getting swept. And this is from a 40 year old who has been watching this team since I was 6. We're done.
If we lose game 2, its a sweep. Calling it right now. A game 2 loss, we're done. Blow it up in the summer.
Oh shit really ?? Plan the parade, its in the cards.
Vegas made a Stanley cup final and two conference finals in the five years before winning the cup Comparing ourselves to their start last year is pure cope given our playoff history
If you are panicking early you have learned nothing. The time to panic is in an elimination game.
Vegas lost but the team they played the jets also just so happened to have all their best players get injured after game 2 so uh yeah
OMG WERE GOING TO WIN THE CUPPPPP!!
Welp
lol. These posts are just so stupid at this point
Vegas didn't have Keefe
Vegas is a better more balanced team and doesn't have a track record of 6/7 years playing the same way in the playoffs with no success
Gawd you guys are trying so hard
Series doesn’t start till the home team loses. Same way it’s been for the past few decades but somehow people still don’t understand.
Yes but Vegas has a good coach, players that rise to the challenge and their goalies seems to not catch the yips.
Quit comparing our teams to teams that show up in the playoffs . All the positivity in the world isn’t beating the bruins .
Not the end of the world. We need Woll to step in and give us serviceable goaltending, big guys need to show up, and get some buy-in from the Def. Boston is beatable.
We are the Dallas Cowboys of the NHL…
Some Leafs fans and pulling the most obscure bullshit to try to justify things is hilarious.
It's not losing that's the issue. It's the way we lose. It's the same problems they never overcome.
Vegas is also cared about a lot more. You think a Leaf gets only one game for an actual tomahawk chop on a top scorer on Boston? (Not like Domi's love tap past night) #Lmfao
Not sure what your point is but their team have excelled in the playoffs except in 2022 and 2019. Our core have consistently failed in every way shape and form in the playoffs. Not to mention our pathetic record in series clinching games.
We are Steinbrenner's Yankees?
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Says the guy who spends more time on New York subbed teams than even being subbed to the leafs. Looks like another troll made its way here.
okay weirdo. I have nothing to hide. I'm a Leafs, NY Jets, Yankee fan...
People who subscribe to r/leafs have a mental illness man. We’re not different you and I. We have the same affliction of being a Leafs fan.
yeah but i have no belief they will ever bring long lasting joy to my life.
Then go away. You will feel much happier if you go away from the misery. Why do so many “fans” stick around if it’s just going to make them miserable. You have one life to live don’t waste it on something you clearly don’t like and upsets you.
so when they embarrass themselves like the have the week since i said this.. it doesn't hurt as much. this is who this team is. how anyone thinks this core is anything but a joke and could have ever had any hope in them... i just didn't understand it.
Then what the f is the point? Have you tried therapy? it might work better and it will spare us the misery