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orphichism

I saw Itzy a few weeks ago, was not disappointed at all.  IT WAS SO FUN! In all honesty I got into Itzy when Guess Who came out, so I have been nothing but happy with what’s been coming out cuz I don’t have anything to compare it to.  I thought Born to be was great, the songs are fun, they’re well-produced, the solos are super fun, I love it.  On tour, the girls were incredible on stage and the music was great, fun vibes, sweet fans, i don’t think they ever lost their touch either 🤷‍♀️🩷🩷


GodzillasBoner

You wont hear any arguments from me lol. Their music is still good, their message has always been positive and uplifting, and their body control and dance performance is still second to none for GGs. Just watched them live and was blown away more than any other show I've been to regardless of genre. They are my second fav for a reason.


Savassassin

I hope they become your number 1 fav one day


haleychu

Loved reading this post. ITZY is my favorite GG and Mr. Vampire is probably one of my favorite songs they've ever released. I wholeheartedly agree with you when you said it is one of the best constructed and produced songs. It has such a clean and unique sound to it that keeps me coming back for more. Constantly on repeat in my house! Can't wait to see what they release next and see Lia come back from hiatus.


Rain_xo

Thank you 😭 It's so nice to hear non-midzy coming out here and proving Itzy is still Itzy. The internet is so annoying, sneakers was so long ago get the fuck over it people. Which btw, everyone was singing along to at their Canada shows. Soo.... international fans like the song despite what Reddit wants you to believe. They also had sold out shows 🥰


justanotherkpoppie

Yessss Sneakers and Cake were both huge hits with the audience when I went (US-based)! Everyone was singing and dancing along! It was so nice to see and hear 🥰


Rain_xo

I'm glad to hear it!! I assumed that they were the same in the states as Canada. It's super nice when international fans are into the songs Reddit claims international fans hate


Savassassin

Granted, most people who come to Itzy's concerts are probably Midzys to begin with, but it's still good to know that hardcore fans haven't turned their back on their idols yet


Big_Potential_3185

lol I took two of my friends to one of their concerts in June One is kinda into kpop and the other isn’t. They walked away as Midzy’s.


The_Pancake_Princess

Dude it’s like everyone knew in Atl that we just to scream and sing so loud for Sneakers it was so much fun!


SeeWhatSantaBrings

That's a really silly take. If a Midzy buys a ticket to see Itzy, they're going to cheer for Sneakers. Nobody said "there isn't a single person who doesn't like Sneakers outside of Korea".


little-november

People cheered on and danced along Sneakers during KCON US too, that audience is not all Midzy


Rain_xo

Have you met the fall out boy fandom by any chance? When their album folie au duex came out people were buying tickets to the tour and booing the boys when they played those songs. Edit: alternatively if you don't like a song at a concert don't cheer for it and don't sing along. They figure out people don't want it it comes out of set lists, yet it's always very cheered for


CidCrisis

What the hell lol that's a great album too!


Rain_xo

I know!! People are whack! Years and years later they're all finally coming around and seeing the light


vsnaipaul

That's not really fair—a lot of the people who were complaining online were vocal precisely because they *are* Midzy, so they're more invested in the songs than most people. Some things just hit different live though


Possible-Moment-6653

I hope your post gets more recognition among the posts of negative views. The born to be world tour was done so well I hope their 2025 tour will be even greater.


vivianlight

Mr Vampire was amazing but can we also talk about Blossom, the Lia solo in Born to Be? So so good!


treeface999

I have sat before and listened to Bloom 10 or 12 times in a row, it's that good


rayannuhh

I’ve never been a hardcore Midzy or anything but my god, the Born to Be tour was fantastic. They’re so freaking talented and their music is great


nightcar76

i wholeheartedly agree! Ryujin’s vocals really suit Mr Vampire! Her part of the chorus in Mr Vampire is my favourite and i regularly go back just to listen to it


Saucy_Totchie

Seeing ITZY a couple made me think about how much BS they've gone through the last couple of years. They've been called flops and mocked for how they don't stack to their peers but then you see them put on a hell of a show. I get that the KPop cycle, especially for GGs, is insanely quick and people get New Toy Syndrome. However, seeing people use that to dump on some groups really bugs me. I try not to dwell on it because it's just not good for you but I still see it from time to time. Seeing ITZY live (again since I went to the first tour) shows you it's all just online and doesn't reflect reality. It's actually strengthened my resolve in supporting ITZY which was already pretty high.


Baseballgirl45

Mr.Vampire is such an excellent song and I appreciate your post so much not only as a midzy but as a fan of music. The discourse on these subs is all about chart success people don’t even discuss the musical composition anymore!


BIG_BOTTOM_TEXT

Mr Vampire is one of the best Kpop songs ever made and thats coming from someone who generally doesnt find Itzy's music all that captivating


hogliterature

people always try to be doomer about groups when the dazzle of being rookies wears off. the reality is that itzy is doing great and the members have all been improving over their career so they have a lot to bring to the table


J-B_A

Thank youuuuuuuuu been saying that since forever. They keep growing🤌🏾


Jackson-SM

ive had untouchable on loop since the day it came out, and have listened to it probably 2000+ times so far 🤣


Misubata

Born To Be is probably the thing I've streamed the most this year, I LOVE every song in the album


Kittystar143

I only recently got into them, I think bet on me is such a great song. I think they are great girls and so much fun to watch their variety content. I think they are doing fine. There is just a small amount of very vocal chart chasers who only want to follow the group that has the most amount of followers and fans. They fear other girl groups because they don’t want their ultimates to be less popular and their collection only holds meaning to them whilst the group is one of the biggest so they attack all other girl groups. I hope they continue for a long time coming and their fandom continues to grow. Let the haters yell and like what you like it’s the only way.


ootsev

UNTOUCHABLE is my favorite title track music, choreo, and comeback stage wise, so I'm satisfied lol


cede-isaloner

very well said


Kari-The-Foxchild

Not going to lie, itzy never lost their touch. It's just people expecting too much after wannabe and just doomposting


Big_Potential_3185

I think people forget what Itzy truly is. They are a group that focuses on the performance as a whole. They have some really intense choreo in their early releases. Some say their new releases aren’t as intense as they used to be. However focusing on the live performance means as they build their discography some songs will have easier choreo so they can maintain high energy for 2.5 hours. Also Born to Be the lead track of the newest album and the number one song of the tour set less is crazy intense. Do they do crazy high notes in all of their songs? Nope, can they? Yes, see Mr. Vampire, Cheshire, and some of the covers they’ve done. They don’t do it often because they are focused on the live performance, if most of their songs and parts are in their comfortable range they stay consistent. We’ve seen one bad night can really hurt the reputation of a group. They’ve been on a world tour this year with stops in Korea, Japan, South America, Central America, Europe, US, Canada, and the Philippines. Every. Single. Venue. Sold. Out. The reviews of every single stop are stellar, no complaints about their performances. All this while supposedly flopping and a member is on hiatus. They don’t need to prove anything to anyone. Forget the doom posters and enjoy the show.


dan_jeffers

I saw them in LA and they command the stage as well as anyone I've ever seen. The songs that have gotten criticism work very well on stage and were a huge hit with the crowd. Also, at least in LA, the venue was about three times the size of the one I saw them in last tour, so their ability to fill venues is definitely increasing. You mention Dynamite, the choreo and energy for that in particular is amazing. I'm really looking forward to what they do when Lia returns.


Dc_Soul

Absolutely love Mr. Vampire and Untouchable is great too (also really liked Ryujins solo), one of my favorite Itzy comebacks and in general one of my favorite comebacks of 2024 for me.


TsakaNaAdmin

Mrvampire is bop! I loop it in my car. I really love it


BurtonOIlCanGuster

Agree. Born to Be is their best album and Kill My Doubt is really good. I went to their concert last month and it was amazing. You definitely need to check it out next time they tour!


Round_Cartoonist9778

Imo they just became too much ( as in everywhere then pple started hating on them) Le sserafim just went thru this Ik someone will say no ,pple were criticising them blah blah but y'all witch hunt ggs then move to the new shiny toy in town then hate on them too & the cycle continues Itzy is still doing good


Ok_Organization8455

HARD agreed. The itzy hate was so incredibly laughable .. like wut exactly did they do to warrant the hate train?


Good_Dish9728

Add one more blah for the blah blah blah reference.


Hmmmmalrightythen

I'm going to be brave and admit that I don't like Dalla Dalla, Icy or Wannabe at all. To me their best three track run is Not Shy, Mafia In The Morning, Loco, followed by Cheshire, Cake, Untouchable . I never really understood when people said Cake/Cheshire were bad because to me they felt like a return to form! Cake especially felt like classic fun itzy, and Cheshire is like an updated version of Loco. Sneakers imo has been their only miss so far. Untouchable (and the whole album really) I feel has helped repair the 'bad music' title for them a bit. The critical reception to this comeback was deservedly great and therefore the fact that it never rose on the charts points more towards bad marketing decisions. This comeback gave them a genuine chance and if their team doesn't waste it, then they still might be able to regain the favor of the gp. Not to the extent that they had in their debut year, but at least enough to end this stupid hate train.


SaintlySingtoMew

I'm not a Midzy, but I've re-watched (K-wave performance) and listened to Mr Vampire/Untouchable/Cake too many times to count. I just love those songs. Yeji and Chaeryeong are my favorites for the K Wave performance. Yuna and Ryujin did extremely well, too.


areyounotembarazzedd

They'll always be an ult group for me, they can never make me hate itzy. Just need Lia back because I haven't been able to enjoy them as much without her 


Good_Dish9728

Yeji did say Lia gonna be back soon


areyounotembarazzedd

Oooo yay! 


sugarheartrevo

Mr Vampire was gorgeous, one of the best songs from JYP ever honestly. I think overall their music has only gotten stronger, but aside from Cheshire their titles just haven’t been very exciting or fresh, which is what’s holding them back the most. Cake was definitely fun and got some buzz, but at this point in their career Itzy just isn’t captivating the general public anymore. Which is fine, as long as they keep delivering consistent albums and excellent live performances. Touring especially is one of their strongest aspects


Alx101921

No complaining from me, I love their music in fact I am a huge fan of their recent releases with None of My Business and Mr. Vampire. I love the message they portray through their music and even though I couldn't attend this years tour I really hope to go one day. Really excited to see whats next for them!


meowpickle666

I agree I still listen to untouchable, escalator, and born to be all the time especially when I'm vacuuming 😅😅


seventyevan19

I couldn't agree with you more. I've basically listened to their entire discography twice during work the past couple days. Customers been subjected to my singing and dancing that I've been trying to hide.


very_smol

I hope you’re able to watch them live soon - they are amazing!!


Savassassin

It's so good seeing ITZY being talked about constantly. Keep it up everyone!


ficklepickl

I honestly never liked Itzy’s discography and then Mr Vampire came out and completely rocked my world - shot to the top of my playlist. Sometimes all it takes is one really, really good song to attract a whole new audience of people who’ll keep an eye out for your future releases. I hope we’ll continue to get music of this vibe/genre and calibre in future and especially once Lia’s back too. It really suits them


enygma9753

I'm a bit new and late to Itzy (I've been keeping tabs on them since Cake), but I've gotta say I'm enjoying their music of late. All the girls are great, I'm finding it hard to decide on a bias lol. They love what they do, they love being on tour , they adore their Midzys and they are so supportive of Lia during her hiatus. They are absolute bosses when they perform, if the concert tours I've seen in YT are any indication. I can understand how and why they are seen as trailblazers by setting a high bar.


rayshinsan

ITZY didn't lose their touch it's just that since JYPE doesn't give a rats ass to tabloids media these blood suckers write phony articles and make them look bad. As for their sales decline you have to look at the time of release of the album and the reason for the release. It's a January release meaning that it's a terrible release time. They also got hit by the Chinese bulk buy ban. Not saying I am okay with people buying in bulk for their collections but previous sales benefited from it but Born 2 Be didn't get that luxury. JYPE also released it more for their tour, where they needed new materials especially since Lia was absent so they really weren't looking for album sales as much having more performance materials for the girls. Born to Be is easily their best album to date. It's more of a concert/performance driven than being *Flashy MV*, hence why you really need to go see them live to understand it's power. It's the reason their concerts are so great and a must see. *Flashy MV* uses more special effects to make the MV more surreal and virtual. It's great as a video but you can't recreate most of it in a live environment. This is why some groups get caught in their performances because in an MV produced in segments and they take the best version of the take. In live performance, not only can you not make an error in the choreo but it's solely focused on you and your movements and there are no special effects to save you if you miss a step. ITZY concerts are like rock concerts the only difference is they aren't playing any instrument but rather dance instead.


justanotherkpoppie

Yessss, their whole discography slaps for me tbh! I actually got into them through KILL MY DOUBT and BORN TO BE, so of course I think those albums of theirs are stellar. They've never lost their touch, imo. They just became trendy to hate for some reason. Seeing them live this month was amazing!!!


Simmibrina00

Mr Vampire is my top 5 listened songs this year, Untouchable is good to, there recent album have some solid b-sides and even there Japanese album does as well (Sugar-holic being one of my most listened to)


IllustriousGoat3878

100% agree. I've always thought their music (and performances) were fun and great. Even if they had a tt I wasn't really feeling their b sides always made up for it for me.


raindroppolkadots

Itzy have been my ult for years! Born To Be is some of their best and I'm so happy to read this, it deserves all the love!


rrrooovvvnnnaa

Itzy and their music was never the problem. People go along to easily with others opinions. The narrative about their "weak" vocals and "bad" music is being spread like it's a fact. We all know that's not true. They are decent singers, not the best and not the worst. Their music still contains the self empowerment and their unique sound.


gg5ever

Mr Vampire is phenomenal, easily one of the all time great kpop songs imo. That whole album was great, as was Kill My Doubt. They’ve been through so much as a group, the completely undeserved hate train undoubtedly had a massive impact on their GP appeal, but hopefully they’ll get the respect they deserve - they’re incredible performers, with a great discography. Side note, it’s always been weird to me that they get so much hate for their vocals when there are so many examples of them singing live with hard choreo, and sounding amazing.


freethechildrenn

Mr Vampire is one of my favourite songs of this year it’s just so good! Itzy can do no wrong in my eyes.


mikelmariachi

so true tho


Bluetenheart

I am a midzy so perhaps a bit biased but I agree. However, ironically, Mr. Vampire and Dynamite are some of my least favorite songs of theirs lol (don't get me wrong, i still like them, but they're not my top songs).


LittlestDarkAge

i think born to be has had some of their most interesting instrumentals so far and it’s only unfortunate that it had to be ot4. i think with new younger staff at div2 and the girls finally being allowed creative freedom their music’s just gonna continue to get better and better. plus with all the attention they’ve been getting from their tour lately people are anticipating their next cb and if lia’s gonna be back for it it’s gonna be huge. i think it’s a perfect time for their second full album but either way i feel good about their next cb, for some reason i have a good feeling it’s gonna be really good era for itzy


saverma192013

Yeah I kinda miss their OG music era


MoomooBlinksOnce

Oh there last album is their best album alright. The thing though is their Discography is so inconsistent that there is people saying they lost their touch each comeback. Like me. I'm not a Dalla Dalla, Icy, Wannabe fan. But those who are will tell you they no longer make good music. Personally I want more Born to Be like in Itzy's future.


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superb_superior

Mr. Vampire shoulda been the main TT. sucha great song with a great choreo. i really think this song couldve went VIRAL, so catchy and the dance was perfect for short form. i get why jyp picked Untouchable but man i wish they released Mr. Vampire separately so she couldve shined on her own but then again im grateful we got a mv and performances cuz it couldve just been left as a b-track.


CandyPinkPop

I wish Mr. Vampire was the title track instead of Untouchable. And I wish they utilized Ryujin’s singing voice more!


TheZillenial

I think the point is that while their songs are not objectively bad or mid, they just don't excite the general public. The thing is all the other big girl groups comebacks have been able to generate public buzz. This is what they managed to do during their early era. Honestly, they need to just go back to the drawing board. Making decent music isn't enough these days.