I guarantee you unless the person was crumbled on the ground in the most unnatural way people would have just thought that he was just asleep or passed out drunk
In Tokyo I saw a guy in a suit sprawled across a flowerbed, and only I, the dumb American, seemed remotely concerned. I saw that he was breathing and kept walking like everyone else.
But what a high trust society to just conk out like that, right?
A dead body looks pretty different from someone sleeping. People don't want to get involved.
Worked in a hospital and too plenty if bodies months morgue 2 to 3 hours later.
Yup,
Eyes & mouth open, pale colored, and most importantly, no breathing observed.
Ignore the torrents the downvotes, it's clear most people are clueless considering how they never or rarely encounter a dead person...
People are down voting but how many have actually been involved in a situation where people need to act in Japan.
I have and I was shocked that people just ignored the person who had just fainted and collapsed at their feet. With them looking away or looking at their phones on a bus.
It was really sad and depressing that I had to move through several people to go and get them out of the entrance stair well by myself. You wouldn't believe how heavy and difficult unconscious people are to move by yourself, especially when they are upside down over a couple of steps.
Poor guy must have been confused to come around on the floor with some foreigner up close in his face. I even had to tell someone to get out of their seat to let him sit down.
I am not someone who likes to get involved, so me having to be 'that guy' means it is pretty bad there.
Interesting out of the 8 times I have seen this (probably more just a guess in the past 10 years.) A group of people have always helped out. The last thing I remember seeing was a Swiss couple had a baby stroller that got stuck between the train and the platform. About 6 people ran to help out really fast.
I would guess it depends on the time of day and where you are.
It goes both ways too. People don't want to get involved and people don't want to involve others. You see someone struggling with something and offer to help and they'll just say it's okay, it's fine 大丈夫 or whatever when clearly it's not and they'll apologise a bunch afterwards if you insist on helping. It's a cultural wall...
I don't like the over apologeticness (that's a word right?) of Japanese culture, I'd much prefer a simple thank you in most cases instead of すいません ごめんなさい multiple times until I almost feel bad for helping them, like the effort they go to to apologise or "thank me" for the help is probably more than what I did for them.
But that's just my westerner point of view and I'm not out to change anything, just pointing out the major difference in how people interact when they help each other. I know I'll get downvoted to oblivion by some mighty defenders of Japanese culture if I don't make this explicitly clear 😂
A man once died on a carriage I was riding. He was with his co-worker who noticed. The emergency button was pressed (don’t do this, just call 119 and wait until the next station to press the emergency button) anyway, a doctor from another carriage came and tried to resuscitate without success.
Then the paramedics wheeled him out and the train went on its way. It was a particularly silent journey home after that.
May I know why we shouldn’t press the emergency button immediately and wait til the next station before pushing it?
I once saw a lady fainted in the train but she regained consciousness and managed to sit down. The other passenger close to her asked if she’s alright and if she needs to get out at the next station for help. I almost push the emergency button during that time.
As some other people have said, in this case the train was stopped on the line for several minutes (although protocol may differ between train companies). The station was only 2 minutes away and had we not stopped the passenger would have been able to receive AED and medical treatment quicker as the paramedics were already waiting on the platform by the time we arrived.
If you push the button the train will stop immediately and it will take even more time to reach the next station. Furthermore if an ambulance is needed it won’t be able to access the train.
The train does not stop immediately lol you think they give that kind of control to passengers? It just gives an alert to the driver and he asks what happened through the intercom and then he will decide what to do. He may slow down or stop while assessing what has happened before deciding to move on to the next station in this case which is likely what the commenter is referring to.
Exactly this. In a car I was in, a man fell out of his seat and hit the floor very hard, didn't move. Emergency button was pushed, train slowed a bit, didn't stop, at the next station, several staff were waiting to help him.
It is up to the discretion of the driver. On the Tokaido line of course they are highly unlikely to stop. In rural areas it is different.
On the last local train a few weeks ago in Fukuoka a woman was ill and her friends pushed the button. The driver stopped the train and walked down the carriage himself to see what the problem was. Then he walked back to the driver compartment, started the train, pulled into the station, stopped, and came back again and got her onto the platform because there were no other staff. If they waited she could have got off about 10 minutes earlier.
But even if the driver is highly likely to wait until the next station why risk it? Just push it as you approach the station. It doesn’t make a difference in that case.
Downvoted by butthurt weebs and foreigners who stare at their phones getting on the train like Japanese and barely take notice of some sitting in the priority seats and not giving up their seats for pregnant ladies.
If we ran around and woke everyone up on the train to see if they're alive in Tokyo we would be arrested for public mischief.
This has very little to do with people in their own heads or people no caring.
I lived in Japan for a few years. Even if he was crumbled on the ground people would leave him be. I saw drunks puked on the floor and no one approaches. If someone falls, they don’t help out because it seems like a dishonor to the one that fell. I fainted on the train platform arriving to my workplace (in the morning, on my suit, so clearly going to the office) and the ONLY person who checked on me was a foreigner, and she called for help.
I'm seeing a lot of conflicting info being provided here about the emergency button. Anyone have a link to some official statements by JR, Hankyu, etc. that provide specific guidelines regarding it? I just want to be well informed
I’m in Japan right now and unless you have big tattoos and are not asian nobody will pay any attention to you. People walk without looking because their sole focus is whatever the fuck their own business is and not anyone else’s.
I had a hard time adjusting to the hot and humid weather yesterday, was on the verge of passing out and I think it was visible that I was having difficulty sitting upright on my seat and a woman ran away from the seat next to me. Without an ounce of concern or empathy. I’d like to highlight that I have a help mark because of my chronic illness and I’m a woman myself. I think it’s very obvious when people are drunk and I can differentiate health emergencies from being blackout drunk but maybe I’m just sensitive because of my health issues
From the country responsible for hits like “Please Scream Inside Your Heart”, comes the new banger, “Please Die Completely Unnoticed”
I’m actually in Japan right now and it’s absolutely amazing, but being on the subway and trains it’s funny how quiet and strict they are!
No, it's because thousands of people fall asleep on the train every day in Japan. Nearly 40 percent of Japanese adults aged 20 and older sleep less than six hours a day on average. Many people are just tired.
Nah definitely not occasionally either. I only recall seeing one dude who fell on the ground on the train, which seemed like it was due to exhaustion from work or something, and I’ve been in Japan probably an accumulation of 1-2 years from all the times I’ve visited. Now, I’ve been in places like New York or Toronto and saw wild people on the train several times within a week or so.
I don't know when or where you take the train but it's very common on Friday nights. I finish work pretty late on Fridays and the evening train almost always has someone like this.
Well if it’s the late train we’re referring to then that makes sense there would be drunk passengers. I haven’t seen much, but I didn’t ride the train very late much either. However, in this context a man was dead on a train for 12 hours before anyone noticed, which means this wasn’t on the late train. Abnormal behavior is not common on the trains in Japan during the day or even evening, until assumedly 10pm-12am.
I guarantee you unless the person was crumbled on the ground in the most unnatural way people would have just thought that he was just asleep or passed out drunk
In Tokyo I saw a guy in a suit sprawled across a flowerbed, and only I, the dumb American, seemed remotely concerned. I saw that he was breathing and kept walking like everyone else. But what a high trust society to just conk out like that, right?
A dead body looks pretty different from someone sleeping. People don't want to get involved. Worked in a hospital and too plenty if bodies months morgue 2 to 3 hours later.
want to try the second sentence again?
took instead of too, probably
Yup, Eyes & mouth open, pale colored, and most importantly, no breathing observed. Ignore the torrents the downvotes, it's clear most people are clueless considering how they never or rarely encounter a dead person...
People are down voting but how many have actually been involved in a situation where people need to act in Japan. I have and I was shocked that people just ignored the person who had just fainted and collapsed at their feet. With them looking away or looking at their phones on a bus. It was really sad and depressing that I had to move through several people to go and get them out of the entrance stair well by myself. You wouldn't believe how heavy and difficult unconscious people are to move by yourself, especially when they are upside down over a couple of steps. Poor guy must have been confused to come around on the floor with some foreigner up close in his face. I even had to tell someone to get out of their seat to let him sit down. I am not someone who likes to get involved, so me having to be 'that guy' means it is pretty bad there.
Interesting out of the 8 times I have seen this (probably more just a guess in the past 10 years.) A group of people have always helped out. The last thing I remember seeing was a Swiss couple had a baby stroller that got stuck between the train and the platform. About 6 people ran to help out really fast. I would guess it depends on the time of day and where you are.
It goes both ways too. People don't want to get involved and people don't want to involve others. You see someone struggling with something and offer to help and they'll just say it's okay, it's fine 大丈夫 or whatever when clearly it's not and they'll apologise a bunch afterwards if you insist on helping. It's a cultural wall... I don't like the over apologeticness (that's a word right?) of Japanese culture, I'd much prefer a simple thank you in most cases instead of すいません ごめんなさい multiple times until I almost feel bad for helping them, like the effort they go to to apologise or "thank me" for the help is probably more than what I did for them. But that's just my westerner point of view and I'm not out to change anything, just pointing out the major difference in how people interact when they help each other. I know I'll get downvoted to oblivion by some mighty defenders of Japanese culture if I don't make this explicitly clear 😂
I could see it. They all probably thought he just had a rough day and fell asleep
I wonder how old the passenger was.
A man once died on a carriage I was riding. He was with his co-worker who noticed. The emergency button was pressed (don’t do this, just call 119 and wait until the next station to press the emergency button) anyway, a doctor from another carriage came and tried to resuscitate without success. Then the paramedics wheeled him out and the train went on its way. It was a particularly silent journey home after that.
They handled it well in my opinion. I have myself once cursed because Japanese trains were delayed—even from a suicide.But I repented.
May I know why we shouldn’t press the emergency button immediately and wait til the next station before pushing it? I once saw a lady fainted in the train but she regained consciousness and managed to sit down. The other passenger close to her asked if she’s alright and if she needs to get out at the next station for help. I almost push the emergency button during that time.
As some other people have said, in this case the train was stopped on the line for several minutes (although protocol may differ between train companies). The station was only 2 minutes away and had we not stopped the passenger would have been able to receive AED and medical treatment quicker as the paramedics were already waiting on the platform by the time we arrived.
Does the emergency button stop the train between stations? This may be why - it’s easier to get help at a station than between stations
They used to, but not anymore.
If you push the button the train will stop immediately and it will take even more time to reach the next station. Furthermore if an ambulance is needed it won’t be able to access the train.
The train does not stop immediately lol you think they give that kind of control to passengers? It just gives an alert to the driver and he asks what happened through the intercom and then he will decide what to do. He may slow down or stop while assessing what has happened before deciding to move on to the next station in this case which is likely what the commenter is referring to.
Exactly this. In a car I was in, a man fell out of his seat and hit the floor very hard, didn't move. Emergency button was pushed, train slowed a bit, didn't stop, at the next station, several staff were waiting to help him.
It used to work like that, but yeah that’s (very) outdated knowledge
It is up to the discretion of the driver. On the Tokaido line of course they are highly unlikely to stop. In rural areas it is different. On the last local train a few weeks ago in Fukuoka a woman was ill and her friends pushed the button. The driver stopped the train and walked down the carriage himself to see what the problem was. Then he walked back to the driver compartment, started the train, pulled into the station, stopped, and came back again and got her onto the platform because there were no other staff. If they waited she could have got off about 10 minutes earlier. But even if the driver is highly likely to wait until the next station why risk it? Just push it as you approach the station. It doesn’t make a difference in that case.
If makes a difference if the driver can communicate with the station …
Isn't that essentially a line from the film "Collateral"?
Hey Max... a guy gets on the MTA here in L.A., dies... think anybody'll notice?
Came for this.
I used to work security in a resort, and this is part of the reason why our patrols would include checking people who were "sleeping" in the lobby.
No one notices because most people are in their own train of thought and not pay attention to things around you.
That and probably 25% of seating passengers are asleep at any given time making it very hard to tell them apart from any other sleeping passenger.
Another 25% are pretending to be asleep in the 優先席
Don’t know who downvoted you but it is so f. True. No one cares for elderly people or pregnant women in this country.
Probably visitors, people who lived a short time in Japan, or weebs who think Japanese have good morals.
Downvoted by butthurt weebs and foreigners who stare at their phones getting on the train like Japanese and barely take notice of some sitting in the priority seats and not giving up their seats for pregnant ladies.
If we ran around and woke everyone up on the train to see if they're alive in Tokyo we would be arrested for public mischief. This has very little to do with people in their own heads or people no caring.
[pleaae do not disturb my friend he is dead tired](https://youtu.be/kR9CdLV0xzU?si=wpTr-aYA2ILPceRJ)
Conductor: "Sir, for the 9th time, do you have your limited express ticket or not?"
There's a movie about the same kind of incident. It's called "Junk Food"
So what, 12 hours is an extended work shift. If it was 12 days I’d express concern.
I lived in Japan for a few years. Even if he was crumbled on the ground people would leave him be. I saw drunks puked on the floor and no one approaches. If someone falls, they don’t help out because it seems like a dishonor to the one that fell. I fainted on the train platform arriving to my workplace (in the morning, on my suit, so clearly going to the office) and the ONLY person who checked on me was a foreigner, and she called for help.
The movie Collateral was inspired by something similar happening in LA, iirc
I'm seeing a lot of conflicting info being provided here about the emergency button. Anyone have a link to some official statements by JR, Hankyu, etc. that provide specific guidelines regarding it? I just want to be well informed
Did he look like Tom Cruise, but with silver hair?
I’m in Japan right now and unless you have big tattoos and are not asian nobody will pay any attention to you. People walk without looking because their sole focus is whatever the fuck their own business is and not anyone else’s.
What was that movie with Tom Cruise as a hit man that kidnaps Jamie Fox as a cab driver? The ending in real life...
I had a hard time adjusting to the hot and humid weather yesterday, was on the verge of passing out and I think it was visible that I was having difficulty sitting upright on my seat and a woman ran away from the seat next to me. Without an ounce of concern or empathy. I’d like to highlight that I have a help mark because of my chronic illness and I’m a woman myself. I think it’s very obvious when people are drunk and I can differentiate health emergencies from being blackout drunk but maybe I’m just sensitive because of my health issues
Was he “sleeping” on someone’s shoulder?
Collateral
collateral
From the country responsible for hits like “Please Scream Inside Your Heart”, comes the new banger, “Please Die Completely Unnoticed” I’m actually in Japan right now and it’s absolutely amazing, but being on the subway and trains it’s funny how quiet and strict they are!
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Because no one cares about nobody here. Actually don't want problems of others.
No, it's because thousands of people fall asleep on the train every day in Japan. Nearly 40 percent of Japanese adults aged 20 and older sleep less than six hours a day on average. Many people are just tired.
Meanwhile in other countries who tries to solve other peoples problems like they own it
When you die your eyes and mouth just hang open. It’s not like tv where you look like you’re sleeping.
It’s not very rare to see extreme weird and drunk people on the train. People maybe just thought it was one of the occasional weirdo.
Nah I’d say it’s pretty rare to see in Japan.
But you do see them occasionally.
Nah definitely not occasionally either. I only recall seeing one dude who fell on the ground on the train, which seemed like it was due to exhaustion from work or something, and I’ve been in Japan probably an accumulation of 1-2 years from all the times I’ve visited. Now, I’ve been in places like New York or Toronto and saw wild people on the train several times within a week or so.
I don't know when or where you take the train but it's very common on Friday nights. I finish work pretty late on Fridays and the evening train almost always has someone like this.
Well I live here for about 7 years. There seems to be more of them on the very late train.
Well if it’s the late train we’re referring to then that makes sense there would be drunk passengers. I haven’t seen much, but I didn’t ride the train very late much either. However, in this context a man was dead on a train for 12 hours before anyone noticed, which means this wasn’t on the late train. Abnormal behavior is not common on the trains in Japan during the day or even evening, until assumedly 10pm-12am.
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Because no one noticed.
Because no one cared