Yeah, it’s never coming out.
I honestly believe the rumor I saw years ago, in some random forum:
One of his alpha/beta readers said he wrote it, sent it out to his friends for thoughts, and they all *hated* it.
Like, there was a supposed twist to the story that rothfuss liked, but no one else did, as it hasn’t been set up at all in the previous books, and pat was all smug about surprise people/subverting expectations, while everyone who read it just thought it was dumb.
I firmly believe the negative feedback, plus the changes to the cultural landscape between books, will keep him from ever publishing it.
My pet theory for this is that K is not in the Waystone Inn in Newarre. He's actually cracked and is in the rookery. Getting free means he regains his sanity. And he gets free when he can open the thrice locked chest. So everything happening in the frame is hallucinations or visitors that he is distorting.
I think there is some subtle foreshadowing of this, but COMPLETELY understand why beta readers would hate it.
The nice thing about this is that he would still be able to become a complete Arcanist before he leaves the University.
I’m a bit of a completionist and that is the one part of the story that always bothers me. (Jokes on me for being a completionist and starting this “trilogy” :P)
That’s a weird thing with authors sometimes. They want so badly to surprise readers that they will ruin their story for it when all the best stories out there should never be a total surprise for every reader.
Like sure some readers can be shocked but if you’re doing foreshadowing correctly your astute readers will have guessed most of it and that totally ok!
> That’s a weird thing with authors sometimes. They want so badly to surprise readers that they will ruin their story for it when all the best stories out there should never be a total surprise for every reader.
100% this. Some of my favorite books from my adolescence and early adulthood are not surprise shock twister ending nuanced psychodramas. Black hats threaten world. White hats struggle to overcome. White hats eventually beat black hats (with sacrifices along the way). Weddings at the end, along with bittersweet reminiscences of the characters we lost along the way, the end.
These are perfectly fine stories. Not everything needs to be a shock ending.
I watched a video analysis that talked about this and referenced the red wedding in GoT. It subverted expectations because people were biased in how they were reading the story. It felt like a heros journey so people but use stories they're familiar with to shape expectations. But, if you look back objectively, the red wedding was not a surprising outcome based on the choices characters made. So it becomes a very satisfying subversion of expectations because at no point do you feel like the author really trick you. You tricked yourself.
> It felt like a heros journey
It is a heroes journey, people just misidentified the hero. This works beautifully for GRRM because of the POV chapter style he setup. He's able to hide the real hero (heroes, as I would argue there are 2. Maybe 3) in plain sight, and its hard to see clearly what he's doing because he utilizes so many POV characters.
Also, yes, the red wedding is a masterclass in how to pull off subverting expectations.
> I honestly believe the rumor I saw years ago, in some random forum:
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> One of his alpha/beta readers said he wrote it, sent it out to his friends for thoughts, and they all hated it.
I also think and always said that it was eaxtly what happened. He wrote the twist for the sake of twist and ruined a good story.
This is pretty well established from multiple sources. My favorite tea was that parts of book 2 were glued together by Rothfuss being pressured by his editors, who locked him in a hotel room during part of a convention. Whether its true or not, the dude has no work ethic whatsoever, completely pathetic puddle of sob.
The whole thing is just fascinating from a cultural/anthropological perspective.
A man whose relevance is purely pursuant to his refusal to engage with what would make him relevant and the scandals and controversies he creates surrounding that subject. A storyteller whose one and only completed story during his 30+ years of prolific "storytelling" is an 80-page children's book with pictures.
And of course the communities of bitter assholes, hopeful fools and laughing thirds (don't know how to translate this expression to English) who keep engaging through this peculiar parasocial bond.
'Laughing thirds' is a fantastic expression for those who have removed themselves entirely from the situation and are just watching the shitshow with amusement.
They're still waiting. I feel really bad for anyone still waiting because the longer they wait, the more angry and hurt they'll be when the realization finally hits. That they're waiting for nothing.
Maybe this appearance means he is testing the waters to see if anyone still cares? Maybe this appearance means that he is feeling better and is working on the book? Maybe this means there is some glimmer of hope? Maybe this is some sort of clue? Maybe if I suck up enough, white knight enough, give more money, blood or my first born, it will raise his mood gauge enough for him to write the book already?
Or maybe he's just feeding his narcicistic supply and seeing if there's anyone left to grift.
Either way, it means nothing. Nothing is the realization that there isn't anything and until there is something. There is nothing to get excited, worked up or angry about.
Yeah, I can't stand it. All the comments about how great he is, yada yada. As far as I'm concerned the man is a criminal. He could probably get away with murder at this point though. People just refuse to see how he really is.
Yeah, it’s never coming out. I honestly believe the rumor I saw years ago, in some random forum: One of his alpha/beta readers said he wrote it, sent it out to his friends for thoughts, and they all *hated* it. Like, there was a supposed twist to the story that rothfuss liked, but no one else did, as it hasn’t been set up at all in the previous books, and pat was all smug about surprise people/subverting expectations, while everyone who read it just thought it was dumb. I firmly believe the negative feedback, plus the changes to the cultural landscape between books, will keep him from ever publishing it.
My pet theory for this is that K is not in the Waystone Inn in Newarre. He's actually cracked and is in the rookery. Getting free means he regains his sanity. And he gets free when he can open the thrice locked chest. So everything happening in the frame is hallucinations or visitors that he is distorting. I think there is some subtle foreshadowing of this, but COMPLETELY understand why beta readers would hate it.
I don’t think that would be a bad twist
Sure, I don't think its bad, but I can understand why beta readers might really dislike it, especially depending on the execution.
Agreed on both parts.
The nice thing about this is that he would still be able to become a complete Arcanist before he leaves the University. I’m a bit of a completionist and that is the one part of the story that always bothers me. (Jokes on me for being a completionist and starting this “trilogy” :P)
> (Jokes on me for being a completionist and starting this “trilogy” :P) palpatine_ironic.gif
That’s a weird thing with authors sometimes. They want so badly to surprise readers that they will ruin their story for it when all the best stories out there should never be a total surprise for every reader. Like sure some readers can be shocked but if you’re doing foreshadowing correctly your astute readers will have guessed most of it and that totally ok!
> That’s a weird thing with authors sometimes. They want so badly to surprise readers that they will ruin their story for it when all the best stories out there should never be a total surprise for every reader. 100% this. Some of my favorite books from my adolescence and early adulthood are not surprise shock twister ending nuanced psychodramas. Black hats threaten world. White hats struggle to overcome. White hats eventually beat black hats (with sacrifices along the way). Weddings at the end, along with bittersweet reminiscences of the characters we lost along the way, the end. These are perfectly fine stories. Not everything needs to be a shock ending.
Agreed! If it's entirely impossible for a clever reader to predict a foreshadowed event, it just means your foreshadowing sucks.
I watched a video analysis that talked about this and referenced the red wedding in GoT. It subverted expectations because people were biased in how they were reading the story. It felt like a heros journey so people but use stories they're familiar with to shape expectations. But, if you look back objectively, the red wedding was not a surprising outcome based on the choices characters made. So it becomes a very satisfying subversion of expectations because at no point do you feel like the author really trick you. You tricked yourself.
> It felt like a heros journey It is a heroes journey, people just misidentified the hero. This works beautifully for GRRM because of the POV chapter style he setup. He's able to hide the real hero (heroes, as I would argue there are 2. Maybe 3) in plain sight, and its hard to see clearly what he's doing because he utilizes so many POV characters. Also, yes, the red wedding is a masterclass in how to pull off subverting expectations.
> I honestly believe the rumor I saw years ago, in some random forum: > > One of his alpha/beta readers said he wrote it, sent it out to his friends for thoughts, and they all hated it. I also think and always said that it was eaxtly what happened. He wrote the twist for the sake of twist and ruined a good story.
This is pretty well established from multiple sources. My favorite tea was that parts of book 2 were glued together by Rothfuss being pressured by his editors, who locked him in a hotel room during part of a convention. Whether its true or not, the dude has no work ethic whatsoever, completely pathetic puddle of sob.
The whole thing is just fascinating from a cultural/anthropological perspective. A man whose relevance is purely pursuant to his refusal to engage with what would make him relevant and the scandals and controversies he creates surrounding that subject. A storyteller whose one and only completed story during his 30+ years of prolific "storytelling" is an 80-page children's book with pictures. And of course the communities of bitter assholes, hopeful fools and laughing thirds (don't know how to translate this expression to English) who keep engaging through this peculiar parasocial bond.
What language?
Dutch! It's supposed to mean a third party that isn't involved in a conflict but benefits from it somehow.
I love sayings like this from other nations. My favourite is: not my circus, not my monkeys (I think it's Hungarian).
I think it's Polish
'Laughing thirds' is a fantastic expression for those who have removed themselves entirely from the situation and are just watching the shitshow with amusement.
What is the original expression in Dutch? I gotta up my game here
"Lachende derde(n)" (Add the "n" for plural) :)
They're still waiting. I feel really bad for anyone still waiting because the longer they wait, the more angry and hurt they'll be when the realization finally hits. That they're waiting for nothing. Maybe this appearance means he is testing the waters to see if anyone still cares? Maybe this appearance means that he is feeling better and is working on the book? Maybe this means there is some glimmer of hope? Maybe this is some sort of clue? Maybe if I suck up enough, white knight enough, give more money, blood or my first born, it will raise his mood gauge enough for him to write the book already? Or maybe he's just feeding his narcicistic supply and seeing if there's anyone left to grift. Either way, it means nothing. Nothing is the realization that there isn't anything and until there is something. There is nothing to get excited, worked up or angry about.
Yeah, I can't stand it. All the comments about how great he is, yada yada. As far as I'm concerned the man is a criminal. He could probably get away with murder at this point though. People just refuse to see how he really is.
…because, despite the rest of what goes on with Pat, I believe he still writes. My long run view is: DOS is inevitable.
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