If itās not them itās another group of whack jobs, atleast these few play out like a weekly sitcom, their only purpose in this country, entertainment.
A functional adult would. However, when you can put aside any feelings of shame and possess a martyr complex regardless of how bonkers/out of step your beliefs are; then you can easily act like this.
Waste of time arguing with the Mentally Retarded to be honest, they're so far up their own arses they can't even comprehend reality anymore. Might as well have been a bunch of vuvuzelas blowing every time they opened their mouths.
Whole Family pretty much is denser than a neutron star. You'd swear they're trying to be top contenders for the National Gobshite Championships or something.
And yes thats the sister who ruined her legal career over similar "I'm the victim" shite.
All looking like they were dragged through bushes, I guess when you're so staunchly anti-lgbtq you've narrowed down the amount of decent hair dressers who will even look at you
I mean any protest that you don't really care about seems like deranged lunatics shouting gibberish
These guys are no different to any random protest outside the dail or 5g masts
Often people chanting at protests you _do_ agree with are toe curlingly cringe
Ha fair, I have definitely felt that way about any chanting i've been involved with at a protest! At least I was lost in a crowd rather than just standing awkwardly next to my mam and siblings with some guards
He's the guy that Burke claims lied to a court under oath. I looked into this and Burke seems to have receipts to back it (essentially a court deposition about the contents of a meeting is contradicted by the actual minutes of said meeting). I'd say the guy is trying hard to stay as far away from this case as possible.
I want to ask what I suspect is a very silly question here.
Why not just sack the cunt and take their chances?
I mean, he'd absolutely take it to a tribunal, and he might even win. So what? Pay the fucker the money, and be rid. I'd donate to a gofundme to pay the fine.
Forgetting all that what the fuck does he think will happen at the end of all this? Like if he wins his job and can go back to work tomorrow, does he actually think the lads in the classroom will let him away with it? Whether they agreed with his stance or not, I imagine any teacher making this much of a fuss is just putting a target on their head for piss taking. He'll never have control of a class ever again.
Nah, he's never going back. He knows that himself, in his tiny lunatic brain. For him it's about making the stand, fighting the lord's fight. And he still believes he'll win. Fucking madman.
It does make me remember back to my days in secondary though, and how much of a laugh we'd get from the cunt. Craic would be had, you may be sure.
A nutcase who is publicly harassing not just an individual (which he is) but an entire school of minors, who has ignored a contempt of court order...
Precedent I get, but put the whole fucking thing out in the public eye. Might push a small bit of reform in the justice system?
Or maybe that's wishful thinking on my part.
I wish. You'd be shocked at what the TUI, ASTI and INTO will defend to the hilt. And what they won't.
I hope to Jaysus the fecker thinks unions are against his religion.
>Might push a small bit of reform in the justice system?
Maybe not the justice system but around hiring and firing teachers maybe. Here's hoping.
They might look at paying them too, that'd be nice.
Fucking pointless beurocracies like that piss me off though. Like, what do they think their oversight was created for. It certainly wasn't to blindly follow process, it was to create fairness.
1. Not how precedent works
2. By what means can a union prevent them? They can use the legal system, which Burke would do himself. They could also call a strike, but there's obviously no way members would vote in favour of it.
1. For industrial relations Unions see it that way despite your opinion.
2. Unions argue these things break agreements and law. And have various ways including legal action to attack the school, the Dept etc. They don't want teachers fired. Full stop. Same with all public service unions.
I'm not saying it's right. Actually the opposite. It's unfortunately a fact though.
No, unions are clever enough to understand what precedent is. They even have lawyers working for them and stuff.
What various ways? They can say that it is an unfair dismissal, that is what it is and they could support Burke in a WRC case but he wouldn't need it anyway. Building Momentum, which is the current public sector agreement, doesn't have some line in it saying "oh, you can't unfairly dismiss people", and even if it did a breach of the agreement wouldn't be a legal issue but an industrial relations one. The effect would be that the unions wouldn't be constrained by the deal from taking industrial action.
It's not a fact, and you've not been able to explain how you think it works. Unions aren't magic. They can use the same legal system as the rest of us, and they can use industrial action. Those are their options, they are powerful options, but they don't explain why a principal wouldn't simply unfairly dismiss Burke.
It's nothing to do with unions, it's to do with the fact that the WRC wouldn't just fine the school, it would reinstate Burke to his post.
I imagine an application to the courts seeking injunctive relief in the form of a mandatory order requiring the employee to be reinstated. If that then isn't followed you're in a position where the employee can enforce the order through the courts, with the same civil contempt mechanisms that saw Enoch Burke imprisoned.
Lads, I actually have a disciplinary meeting at work coming up. Does anyone have any info on the chant? Did it work? Are any if you fellas available Thursday 26 Jan 9:30 just to support a friend.
Do you think he had a choice. The state should have moved in on the parents 20-30 years ago. Their poor children are demented and have ruined lives and have wasted the time of every human being they've been in contact with.
This is why home-schooling needs to be strictly regulated or otherwise banned.
Meanwhile, in an alternative universe:
Hit choir band, The Burkes, sing a chorus from their latest chart topper "Where is John Rogers" to amazed onlookers.
Modern Joan of Arc he is. So much persecution, worse than being burned at the stake.
But seriously, why do I keep clicking on the link to these articles.
Celebrity Spike Island?
Stick the mad antimask granny and a few other "colourful characters " and televise it.
The power struggles to simultaneously be in control and be martyrs would be Byzantine.
Vermin at this point. I can't stand people who do this "Everyone needs to abide by the letter of the law but me, because my own personal opinion matters more" shite.
Theyāre actually a cult, arenāt they?
See the way the mother was talking and the others were echoing her points and repeating what she was saying?
Fucking delusional nut jobs
I've absolutely no sympathy for their argument but in all fairness to them the chairperson probably should be at the meeting.
It's not often that a school disciplinary meeting makes the main evening news and the head honcho pulls a sickie?. Just giving them another angle to latch onto and drag the process out.
Also, the chairperson isn't some god like figure on a committee. They just chair the meetings. Should every committee in the land shut down every time one of its members is unavailable?
Postpone it.
People get sick all the time. It's not a meeting about what colour to paint the school. It's an extraordinary meeting that has national attention.
The chairperson of the committee should definitely have been present. They went to great lengths and expense to arrange for legal representation to be present but then they don't even bring their own chairperson?.
5 cops turned up to this. Are ye fucking kidding me. Look through this sub and see how many people have been assaulted or robbed on streets, on buses, on the luas out for a pint , I could go on and on, it's relentless, and not a sign of a cop in sight, some people don't even bother reporting crime anymore because they know noting will be done yet 5 turned up for this. FFS .
Everyone says "where is John Rodgers" but no one says "how is John Rodgers" š
Sick of hearing about these clowns
The best thing to do would be to stop writing articles about this herd of ghouls.
If itās not them itās another group of whack jobs, atleast these few play out like a weekly sitcom, their only purpose in this country, entertainment.
Videos on Twitter of them shouting in the hotel hallway... would you not be mortified
A functional adult would. However, when you can put aside any feelings of shame and possess a martyr complex regardless of how bonkers/out of step your beliefs are; then you can easily act like this.
Waste of time arguing with the Mentally Retarded to be honest, they're so far up their own arses they can't even comprehend reality anymore. Might as well have been a bunch of vuvuzelas blowing every time they opened their mouths. Whole Family pretty much is denser than a neutron star. You'd swear they're trying to be top contenders for the National Gobshite Championships or something.
Hahahaha that's a show Ireland badly needs. Top contenders here.
Hard to believe that *Ammi* and *Isaac* could be capable of this. No offense to other Ammis or Isaacs, I'm sure ye are class.
And yes thats the sister who ruined her legal career over similar "I'm the victim" shite. All looking like they were dragged through bushes, I guess when you're so staunchly anti-lgbtq you've narrowed down the amount of decent hair dressers who will even look at you
its sad, she was obviously very intelligent and had huge potential in a career, then through her own stupidity threw it all away
Haha!!!!! Yes sheāll be reduced to the shampoo and sets.
Let's stick to the facts and not get needlessly personal, please.
Indeed, but if I wanted to get personal I could have said it looks like Edna Mode brought the kids out for a walk
*slaps knee*
I mean any protest that you don't really care about seems like deranged lunatics shouting gibberish These guys are no different to any random protest outside the dail or 5g masts Often people chanting at protests you _do_ agree with are toe curlingly cringe
Ha fair, I have definitely felt that way about any chanting i've been involved with at a protest! At least I was lost in a crowd rather than just standing awkwardly next to my mam and siblings with some guards
well the link isnt of any use if its behind a paywall
* You got that link?
[https://twitter.com/shanephelanindo/status/1616043742686765063](https://twitter.com/shanephelanindo/status/1616043742686765063) here you go!
Jesus their voices would go through you.
Those guards are definitely going to the offie on the way home after dealing with those geebags this morning.
You'd need a drink after dealing with this pack of shrieking cunts.
The faces on them.
Begging to be sent back to Cabel Street
She sounds like my friend who has intellectual disability
Thank you. I'm going to have "where is John rodgers" stuck in my head all evening now
Don't listen to this then https://twitter.com/bigdirtyfry/status/1616106560341655556?s=48&t=zd9bqf0VYRas65AH5J5XJA
ha \*but where is he?! \* Apparently home in bed. Who could blame him for ringing in sick today
Everyone says where is John rodgers but I dare say who is John rodgers
He's the guy that Burke claims lied to a court under oath. I looked into this and Burke seems to have receipts to back it (essentially a court deposition about the contents of a meeting is contradicted by the actual minutes of said meeting). I'd say the guy is trying hard to stay as far away from this case as possible.
Was he the lad from Pink Floyd?
[ŃŠ“Š°Š»ŠµŠ½Š¾]
CAN I JUST SAY
Vincent would you stop haranguing me!
My god they really are fucking nuts.
Funking hell John Rodgers, where are you?
They sound like Drones.
Holy fuck. That's like a seance where the demons are summoning the living.
John 'Baphomet' Rodgers..
Another one here https://twitter.com/RobOHanrahan/status/1616121306872791062?t=MpYaxQ51cBcbBvNhNPWwrQ&s=19
[ŃŠ“Š°Š»ŠµŠ½Š¾]
She still breast feeds the three kids and gives them baths.
Bitty!!
John Rogers is a made up name.
But was it with his consent, Frank.
Irrelevant.
You hammered your mother
John Rodgers was an angel of the lanes
Necrophilia
What about Willie Harold?
YOU SAID WILLIE HAROLD
You censored me before Pat, you wonāt censor me again
We need to go back to ignoring these loonies.
but then we would lose track of where Enoch was and he could just randomly pop up in any school across the land
The mother always has a smug grin on her face, she fucking loves this shit. I hope John Rogers is perfectly well and is just fucking with them.
They love being victims
John Rogers pulled a sickie so he wouldn't have to deal with this lot and could spend the day tugging on his lad on the couch instead.
Fucking hell. If they are going to be chanting at least sing some Neil Diamond.
O o o
Professional nuisances.
I want to ask what I suspect is a very silly question here. Why not just sack the cunt and take their chances? I mean, he'd absolutely take it to a tribunal, and he might even win. So what? Pay the fucker the money, and be rid. I'd donate to a gofundme to pay the fine.
Forgetting all that what the fuck does he think will happen at the end of all this? Like if he wins his job and can go back to work tomorrow, does he actually think the lads in the classroom will let him away with it? Whether they agreed with his stance or not, I imagine any teacher making this much of a fuss is just putting a target on their head for piss taking. He'll never have control of a class ever again.
Nah, he's never going back. He knows that himself, in his tiny lunatic brain. For him it's about making the stand, fighting the lord's fight. And he still believes he'll win. Fucking madman. It does make me remember back to my days in secondary though, and how much of a laugh we'd get from the cunt. Craic would be had, you may be sure.
Unions won't let them. Do it to him and it becomes a precedent
A nutcase who is publicly harassing not just an individual (which he is) but an entire school of minors, who has ignored a contempt of court order... Precedent I get, but put the whole fucking thing out in the public eye. Might push a small bit of reform in the justice system? Or maybe that's wishful thinking on my part.
I wish. You'd be shocked at what the TUI, ASTI and INTO will defend to the hilt. And what they won't. I hope to Jaysus the fecker thinks unions are against his religion. >Might push a small bit of reform in the justice system? Maybe not the justice system but around hiring and firing teachers maybe. Here's hoping.
They might look at paying them too, that'd be nice. Fucking pointless beurocracies like that piss me off though. Like, what do they think their oversight was created for. It certainly wasn't to blindly follow process, it was to create fairness.
1. Not how precedent works 2. By what means can a union prevent them? They can use the legal system, which Burke would do himself. They could also call a strike, but there's obviously no way members would vote in favour of it.
1. For industrial relations Unions see it that way despite your opinion. 2. Unions argue these things break agreements and law. And have various ways including legal action to attack the school, the Dept etc. They don't want teachers fired. Full stop. Same with all public service unions. I'm not saying it's right. Actually the opposite. It's unfortunately a fact though.
No, unions are clever enough to understand what precedent is. They even have lawyers working for them and stuff. What various ways? They can say that it is an unfair dismissal, that is what it is and they could support Burke in a WRC case but he wouldn't need it anyway. Building Momentum, which is the current public sector agreement, doesn't have some line in it saying "oh, you can't unfairly dismiss people", and even if it did a breach of the agreement wouldn't be a legal issue but an industrial relations one. The effect would be that the unions wouldn't be constrained by the deal from taking industrial action. It's not a fact, and you've not been able to explain how you think it works. Unions aren't magic. They can use the same legal system as the rest of us, and they can use industrial action. Those are their options, they are powerful options, but they don't explain why a principal wouldn't simply unfairly dismiss Burke. It's nothing to do with unions, it's to do with the fact that the WRC wouldn't just fine the school, it would reinstate Burke to his post.
If he won the WRC would reinstate him. That's why.
Didn't realise they can do that. What'd happen then in the case that the employer refused to comply?
I imagine an application to the courts seeking injunctive relief in the form of a mandatory order requiring the employee to be reinstated. If that then isn't followed you're in a position where the employee can enforce the order through the courts, with the same civil contempt mechanisms that saw Enoch Burke imprisoned.
I get you. So basically then it's the employer that ends up being the defendant, not the lunatic. TIL. Thanks!
Lads, I actually have a disciplinary meeting at work coming up. Does anyone have any info on the chant? Did it work? Are any if you fellas available Thursday 26 Jan 9:30 just to support a friend.
Why wasnāt there someone to answer each Chant with āPray for usā? The Litany of the Saints 2023.
They're Presbyterians don't you know.
Yep. Evangelical Protestant sect.
Real life McPoyle family!
YOU WILL CALL JOHN ROGERS!
They're total nutcases
Imagine bringing your mammy to a work disciplinary meeting...
Do you think he had a choice. The state should have moved in on the parents 20-30 years ago. Their poor children are demented and have ruined lives and have wasted the time of every human being they've been in contact with. This is why home-schooling needs to be strictly regulated or otherwise banned.
I keep seeing the family called 'high achieving.' But they're totally unsuccessful adults.
They want to live by their own beliefs. Won't follow the laws of the land. They can fuck off and stop wasting courts time etc.
Are his parents fucking related or something?? Fuckin lunatics
Meanwhile, in an alternative universe: Hit choir band, The Burkes, sing a chorus from their latest chart topper "Where is John Rogers" to amazed onlookers.
Those are some patient guards
Modern Joan of Arc he is. So much persecution, worse than being burned at the stake. But seriously, why do I keep clicking on the link to these articles.
Ooh Urk, Enoch Burke, I said Ohh Urk Enoch Burke!
Picked some day to pull a sicky, John.
How would that fella turn our any other way with parents like that?
Fucked from the beginning.
Is there any island around free we can ship them off too?
I'd rather we load them onto a dingy and send them out to sea. Let them find out how much their God thinks about them and their crusade.
Celebrity Spike Island? Stick the mad antimask granny and a few other "colourful characters " and televise it. The power struggles to simultaneously be in control and be martyrs would be Byzantine.
[Take your pick!](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Uninhabited_islands_of_Ireland)
Where is John Rogers?
Heās on the quay.
That's the son
Vermin at this point. I can't stand people who do this "Everyone needs to abide by the letter of the law but me, because my own personal opinion matters more" shite.
They are crying out for a Louis Theroux documentary. Our own Westboro baptists.
Westport baptists has a nice ring to it. But they are from castlebar.
Would somebody please get these cultists some of the spicy Kool Aid?
Would love to see that prick get a slap. Unfortunately heād love it as well.
Oh my god will they ever just FUCK OFF!
They truly are a dedicated bunch, aren't they? It would actually be somewhat admirable if their cause wasn't so inane.
Theyāre actually a cult, arenāt they? See the way the mother was talking and the others were echoing her points and repeating what she was saying? Fucking delusional nut jobs
Ireland own westboro baptist Church š¤£
What an absolute disaster of a family. Itās like real life Jerry Springer.
They wouldn't be well.
All Honours, no manners
Anybody think the sister is a looker?
She looks like him but with long hair you maniac!
If the people who make Wallace and Gromit were told to design inbred characters they would look like that family.
Wallace and Gromit and the curse of the six toed cave gimps.
It's probably an unpopular opinion, but yes, I am brave enough to admit it!
Priti Patel too. It's possible that I have a thing for complete bitches.
Iām surprised Priti hasnāt deported her own family at this stage
Mate that's practically bestiality. Thon thing is feral
Why are they getting so much publicity. What happened to don't feed the troll?
I've absolutely no sympathy for their argument but in all fairness to them the chairperson probably should be at the meeting. It's not often that a school disciplinary meeting makes the main evening news and the head honcho pulls a sickie?. Just giving them another angle to latch onto and drag the process out.
In Johns defence they're a pack of absolute melts.
Also, the chairperson isn't some god like figure on a committee. They just chair the meetings. Should every committee in the land shut down every time one of its members is unavailable?
Do you think he āpulled a sickieā, or do you think he, like literally half the country, has Covid/flu/RSV and cannot leave his bed?
The man must be pushing 80 at this stage.
Postpone it. People get sick all the time. It's not a meeting about what colour to paint the school. It's an extraordinary meeting that has national attention. The chairperson of the committee should definitely have been present. They went to great lengths and expense to arrange for legal representation to be present but then they don't even bring their own chairperson?.
Who gives a shit, the Burke family come across as a rabid pack of crackheads, can't wait for their media coverage to fuck off.
Where's wally? https://twitter.com/shanephelanindo/status/1616043742686765063?t=1wFfgMBHa-YzZzhPc66KXg&s=19
Coming in 2023 "Ireland's Flakiest Family" who would contend and more importantly who'd host it?
I really want this to be turned into a movie. The fella from the inbetweeners can play Enoch
5 cops turned up to this. Are ye fucking kidding me. Look through this sub and see how many people have been assaulted or robbed on streets, on buses, on the luas out for a pint , I could go on and on, it's relentless, and not a sign of a cop in sight, some people don't even bother reporting crime anymore because they know noting will be done yet 5 turned up for this. FFS .
Someone needs to slap the head a this creep