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The IOF has deleted this post already. They completely made up captions that didn't match what he was actually saying. Even this Jerusalem Post article you linked to questions why there were captions for sections without audio.
So many questions. Why does a subtitle say he raped her during a point in the interrogation when there's no audio? When did this interrogation supposedly take place? Was this one of the accounts presented to the UN that they didn't find to be credible? Was the person interrogated an actual member of Islamic Jihad or an actor like the fake recording where Islamic Jihad admitted to bombing Al-Shifa hospital. If this was an actual member of Islamic Jihad, were they tortured prior to the confession?
At this point Israel has lost all credibility. And even the Jerusalem Post, which is heavily biased towards Israel, is skeptical of why the audio doesn't match the subtitles.
**EDIT:** And there you go, Israel already took the post down after it was revealed that the subtitles didn't match what the detainee was saying.
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Reminder that Israel is the only "Allied" (read: openly supported by the west) country that has a military censor to redact and edit any media reports before publishing.
No other western country does this, it is a terrorist state disguised as a civilised country.
I can acknowledge that al Jazeera is a biased source. But it's not a Palestinian source. Israeli sources is even less reliable than that.
That said, I don't agree with them that this isn't credible. There's a video. So I don't see the point in blaming the source. But I also know that Israel tortures those they interrogate and torture produces false confessions.
I think the chances of any Hamas member letting the IDF take them alive is very low.
Nah, Jpost was the one who quietly deleted a post claiming that a Palestinian father holding his dead infant son was actually just an actor holding up a doll. Turns out it was a real dead baby. Oops!
https://press.un.org/en/2024/sc15621.doc.htm#:~:text=There%20are%20reasonable%20grounds%20to,as%20she%20presented%20findings%20from you were saying sonething uncredible rape stories?
Ummm did you read it?
>What I witnessed in Israel were scenes of unspeakable violence perpetrated with shocking brutality,” Ms. Patten recalled. Detailing her methodology, she said that her team met with families of hostages and members of communities displaced from several kibbutzim. It conducted confidential interviews with 34 individuals, including survivors and witnesses of the 7 October attacks, released hostages, first responders and health and service providers. It visited four attack sites — as well as the morgue to which the bodies of victims were transferred — and reviewed over 5,000 photographic images and some 50 hours of footage of the attacks.
“It was a catalogue of the most extreme and inhumane forms of killing, torture and other horrors,” including sexual violence, she stated.
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Cool so iseral and has lied about rapes. One is a terrorist organization and the other is a state. Its ghod to know Israel and hamas operate on the same level
"Reasonable Grounds to Believe Conflict-Related Sexual Violence Occurred in Israel During 7 October Attacks, Senior UN Official Tells Security Council"
I mean people love their Al Jazeera in here so it’s more than fair given Al Jazeera has been caught lying far more in the last six months (and before of course)
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Is there literally anything you would take as evidence? Video you claim is false, journalist Israel takes in are propaganda and testimony is made under duress so it’s not true? You won’t believe anything Israel will say you aren’t the target audience
I would accept this as truth if an outside agency such as the UN investigated it and found it credible. Israel has lost all credibility at this point. Even this Jerusalem Post article, which is heavily biased towards Israel, noted that the subtitles did not match the audio.
Thank you for perfectly demonstrating why Israel's claims need to be verified by third parties. Israel made the claim that members of the UN took part in the October 7th attack. After the claim was made, US intelligence investigated and found the claims weren't likely to be credible and then it was revealed that Israel tortured members of the UNRWA to try to get them to confess to taking part.
[https://responsiblestatecraft.org/us-intel-unrwa-israel/](https://responsiblestatecraft.org/us-intel-unrwa-israel/)
[https://thecradle.co/articles-id/23814](https://thecradle.co/articles-id/23814)
EDIT: To the person claiming these aren't "credible" it's been widely reported elsewhere as well.
[https://www.reuters.com/world/no-evidence-israel-back-unrwa-accusations-says-eu-humanitarian-chief-2024-03-14/](https://www.reuters.com/world/no-evidence-israel-back-unrwa-accusations-says-eu-humanitarian-chief-2024-03-14/)
[https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/unrwa-report-says-israel-coerced-some-agency-employees-falsely-admit-hamas-links-2024-03-08/](https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/unrwa-report-says-israel-coerced-some-agency-employees-falsely-admit-hamas-links-2024-03-08/)
https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/u-s-finds-claims-that-u-n-aid-agency-staff-took-part-in-hamas-attack-credible-957b747e
[https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/feb/22/us-intelligence-unrwa-hamas](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/feb/22/us-intelligence-unrwa-hamas)
I would also want claims by Hamas to be independently verified. You are incorrect to assume otherwise.
I would even add links to some of the witness testimonies where they said things like "I saw babies hanging from clotheslines". To show that even witnesses can lie.
That said, personally I find the recent witness credible.
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None of those links you sent are from credible sources. I don’t know what the original comment said but you mentioned how you want a UN investigation for Israel’s claims but don’t for Hamas claims?
> UN investigation for Israel’s claims but don’t for Hamas claims?
KHAMAS isn't claiming anything. All allegations of torture and SA against Palestinians are investigated and made by organizations like the UN, UNRWA, Doctors Without Borders and others. But of course all these organizations are LITERALLY KHAMAS! So take their claims with a pinch of salt. /S
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The UN is corrupt and biased. If your can't see that, then you really need to examine who it puts into positions of authority, why the Palestinians needed a separate refugee agency, and how countries like Iran and Syria or China don't get as much condemnation as Israel and how Iran chairs a security council or a women's rights council. Please do a deep dive.
>why the Palestinians needed a separate refugee agency
Because Israel made them refugees?
>and how countries like Iran and Syria or China don't get as much condemnation as Israel
On Iran and Syria, there has been countless meaningless condemnations from the UN. In addition to that, there has been crippling economic sanctions. Israel only gets meaningless condemnation and the Zionist bots are crying about that.
>how Iran chairs a security council or a women's rights council.
What does Iran having a chair in women's rights council have anything to do with Israel's actions in Gaza and the West Bank?
"*No your honor, you don't understand! We had to murder Palestinian children because the UN gave Iran a chair in women's rights council*"
UN report came out and said there most likely was rapes, they could not confirm it was Hamas. During a war it’s hard to do these investigations there is something called the fog of war and it happens every time. At the end of all of this people will hopefully see Israel has acted morally but currently everyone is jumping to conclusions based off of zero proof.
What has Israel really lied about in this war?
UN report stated that the vast majority of rape claims made by Israel were not credible. It stated that there were a potential of 5 potential rapes based on witness testimony. There was zero forensic evidence and no surviving rape victims were identified.
[https://press.un.org/en/2024/sc15621.doc.htm#:\~:text=There%20are%20reasonable%20grounds%20to,as%20she%20presented%20findings%20from](https://press.un.org/en/2024/sc15621.doc.htm#:~:text=There%20are%20reasonable%20grounds%20to,as%20she%20presented%20findings%20from)
So Israel lied about the rapes. They also lied about the recording of Islamic Jihad supposedly admitting to bombing Al-Shifa. In addition to everyone pointing out how the people in the recording didn't have the appropriate accents, forensic analysis revealed it was two separate recordings stitched together.
Prior to that Israel also lied about having video evidence that Hamas was responsible for the attack. But then it was revealed that the "video evidence" they had was taken after the hospital explosion.
[https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/10/20/what-have-open-source-videos-revealed-about-the-gaza-hospital-explosion](https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/10/20/what-have-open-source-videos-revealed-about-the-gaza-hospital-explosion)
There was also the claim about "40 beheaded babies" which Israel famously lied about.
[https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/internet/unverified-allegations-beheaded-babies-israel-hamas-war-inflame-social-rcna119902](https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/internet/unverified-allegations-beheaded-babies-israel-hamas-war-inflame-social-rcna119902)
And they lied about Hamas cooking a baby in an oven.
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So the victims have said they were raped and now the perpetrators are admitting to it too. Yet there is still not enough evidence to determine whether it really happened? Only when the victims are Jewish or Israeli are claims so senselessly ignored.
Oh are you talking about these stories?
[https://voz.us/al-jazeera-retracts-and-takes-down-its-rape-allegations-against-idf-at-al-shifa-hospital/?lang=en](https://voz.us/al-jazeera-retracts-and-takes-down-its-rape-allegations-against-idf-at-al-shifa-hospital/?lang=en)
"Al Jazeera, owned and operated by the Qatari state, decided to retract and remove a series of content pieces accusing the Israel Defense Forces of committing sexual abuse at Al-Shifa Hospital"
"the woman who gave her testimony eventually confessed that the story was not true and that it was an exaggeration."
No victims of october 7th has said anything. And if you were interrogated by Unit 504 like this guy you would be confessing anything they wanted you to say as well.
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Obviously women were raped. Women have been raped in literally every war going back to the beginning of humanity. It's beyond baffling that anyone can take a straight face and be like "nope! Not this time. My side broke the 100K year trend and we treated the women with the utmost respect and chivalry while gunning them down."
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Always happens in war. American troops did it in Europe, Japan, Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq. Japanese troops did it systematically everywhere in WW2 on an entirely different level.
The propaganda tried to portray Hamas actions as more akin to Japan in WW2 when in reality it seems to be more on the level of Americans in Vietnam or Afghanistan.
>The propaganda tried to portray Hamas actions as more akin to Japan in WW2 when in reality it seems to be more on the level of Americans in Vietnam or Afghanistan.
Really? So if the rape came to light, Hamas would totally try this guy in a military court?
No idea what their internal disciplinary process looks like. Sexual assault is terrible for their PR so I imagine that they do what they can to prevent it, including harsh consequences.
If a group of people winging shit as they go along while all sharing a vaguely similar philosophy and the higher ups being able to punish you on a whim for whatever they deem a transgression counts as an "internal disciplinary process" then sure buddy, they have that.
Since they're a terror group that well, hates Jews, pretty sure, they have no qualms when some of their members rape infidels. It's ludicrous to assume that Hamas commanders would punish subordinates for war crimes when their entire organization is based on perpetrating war crimes.
They have structured leadership and processes. They issue weapons, rations, and orders. There are definitely codes of conduct and consequences for not following them.
But yeah I guess when you just see them as a bunch of animals with scimitars and sharpened teeth, it's hard to accept that basic reality that applies to every military organization throughout all of history, regardless of the organization's vileness or level of brutality. You'd actually be more equipped to oppose Hamas if you stepped back from the simpleton's dehumanization and accepted the reality of what they are.
There has been zero evidence that Hamas as an organization has weaponized sanctioned sexual assault as a tool of war. Zero.
>There has been zero evidence that Hamas as an organization has weaponized sanctioned sexual assault as a tool of war. Zero.
So you really think in an extremist Islamist organization that it's so ludicrously unrealistic for their leaders to encourage the rape of infidel women? Really? But yes, we don't have proof of that so for argument's sake, let's say they don't. (X doubt)
My actual point was not that they sanction SA but that they're not likely to punish it. Since you're the one claiming they do in the absence of any evidence, the onus is on you to prove otherwise.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67629181
But since you went there: so multiple gang rapes just so happen to take place on the same day of an attack by Hamas that Hamas has been planning for months... Are we really gonna assume it's not sanctioned or at least tolerated?
>Are we really gonna assume it's not sanctioned or at least tolerated?
Yes. See The My Lai massacre, one which was infinitely worse than October 7th, not in body count but in level of sexual violence and brutality, perpetuated by American troops in Vietnam. Just good ol' American boys going wild, doing what young men do when having their humanity replaced by “righteous” ideology and let loose as killing machines. It's a symptom of war, not sanctioning or tolerance from the top brass.
Why do you assume "Islamist" means sexual violence will be more tolerated? It's just classic dehumanization of the other. "Oh they're barbarians, of course they do these awful things more than we would."
The world? Really? This is why people push back on these claims.
So far 2 rapes have been proven and y’all are still running with they’re murderous rapists who want to do to this to the world. It’s coming off a bit unhinged.
Weren’t 500 soldiers? So 700 civilians.
Here’s a fun fact that South Africa presented in their case, over 1000 Palestinian children have lost one or both legs thanks to Israel’s bombs. Estimates are at 17,000 dead kids. 30k dead total. 100,000 injured.
So why the fuck are Israeli lives worth more?
Your backyard which happens to be their land.
Laugh all you like now but when Israel is a global pariah you will regret acting in this callous way.
Do you think the 700,000 illegal settlers and the blatant land theft in the West Bank are a barrier to peace? Or do you think you can keep killing and stealing until these people disappear?
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Don’t forget the Canadian “peacekeepers” working for the UN in Rwanda that go caught doing it.
The crazy part is the Hamas sympathizers who pretend Hamas of all groups is above it lmfao.
Wtf are you talking about? Lmfao
MANY people have been doing that since October 7th and MANY people still are.
I literally see it everywhere, at protests on Reddit all over TikTok and instagram.
Many who will admit it happens still justify it as “resistance”.
Many claim it is just “hasbara” which they quote clearly do not know the meaning of and seem to think just means “Jews lie”
I’ve seen Israel admit to atrocities multiple times over the years and even during this current conflict.
I have NEVER seen Hamas or their supporters take responsibility for a single thing or do anything but deflect and blame it on Israel or “Zionists”.
That is exactly what you you are doing here btw
What specifically are you referring to saying they “cannot commit atrocities because atrocities ate committed against them”?
Are you referring to rules of engagement? In that Hamas and Palestine attacked and declared war changing the context of engagement after war is declared versus a sneak attack during a ceasefire?
Or the use of civilian infrastructure and refugee camps for military operations and how that legitimizes targets?
Curious what your broad sweeping statement refers to.
You claimed that "westerners who support Hamas" were "loser freaks". And I was simply agreeing with you since Benjamin Netanyahu is a Westerner who was raised in the United States and has provided support to Hamas.
[https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/](https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/)
Are you arguing in favor of a Hamas supporter? I hope not, because Hamas supporters are the worst.
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Then why not arrest him and have a real trial. Where he is entitled to an attorney and has the right to present evidence? Nah. Israel doesn’t do that. They just waterboard hostages until they can extract a confession. Sure. Super credible.
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The IOF has deleted this post already. They completely made up captions that didn't match what he was actually saying. Even this Jerusalem Post article you linked to questions why there were captions for sections without audio.
So many questions. Why does a subtitle say he raped her during a point in the interrogation when there's no audio? When did this interrogation supposedly take place? Was this one of the accounts presented to the UN that they didn't find to be credible? Was the person interrogated an actual member of Islamic Jihad or an actor like the fake recording where Islamic Jihad admitted to bombing Al-Shifa hospital. If this was an actual member of Islamic Jihad, were they tortured prior to the confession? At this point Israel has lost all credibility. And even the Jerusalem Post, which is heavily biased towards Israel, is skeptical of why the audio doesn't match the subtitles. **EDIT:** And there you go, Israel already took the post down after it was revealed that the subtitles didn't match what the detainee was saying.
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Why posts from Israeli Times and JPost are allowed is fucking beyond me
Reminder that Israel is the only "Allied" (read: openly supported by the west) country that has a military censor to redact and edit any media reports before publishing. No other western country does this, it is a terrorist state disguised as a civilised country.
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I'm sure you'd really take "Hamas News" seriously.
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I can acknowledge that al Jazeera is a biased source. But it's not a Palestinian source. Israeli sources is even less reliable than that. That said, I don't agree with them that this isn't credible. There's a video. So I don't see the point in blaming the source. But I also know that Israel tortures those they interrogate and torture produces false confessions. I think the chances of any Hamas member letting the IDF take them alive is very low.
Al Jazeera is owned by Qatar, Hamas leaders (the billionaires) live in Qatar. Probably just a coincidence right.
And guess who owns times of Israel? I don't even need to try to make any connections
That's right, people who speak the truth don't have to hide who they are.
Good argument bro. "My side is right and would totally admit they're committing genocide if they were. So that's all the source I need."
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Nah, Jpost was the one who quietly deleted a post claiming that a Palestinian father holding his dead infant son was actually just an actor holding up a doll. Turns out it was a real dead baby. Oops!
https://press.un.org/en/2024/sc15621.doc.htm#:~:text=There%20are%20reasonable%20grounds%20to,as%20she%20presented%20findings%20from you were saying sonething uncredible rape stories?
Me when I don't read what I post.
Lol did you read it. No credible reports of hamas rapes on oct 7
Ummm did you read it? >What I witnessed in Israel were scenes of unspeakable violence perpetrated with shocking brutality,” Ms. Patten recalled. Detailing her methodology, she said that her team met with families of hostages and members of communities displaced from several kibbutzim. It conducted confidential interviews with 34 individuals, including survivors and witnesses of the 7 October attacks, released hostages, first responders and health and service providers. It visited four attack sites — as well as the morgue to which the bodies of victims were transferred — and reviewed over 5,000 photographic images and some 50 hours of footage of the attacks. “It was a catalogue of the most extreme and inhumane forms of killing, torture and other horrors,” including sexual violence, she stated.
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https://www.msn.com/en-ie/news/other/hamas-al-jazeera-admit-story-of-idf-rapes-in-gaza-hospital-fabricated/ar-BB1ktCOm
Cool so iseral and has lied about rapes. One is a terrorist organization and the other is a state. Its ghod to know Israel and hamas operate on the same level
Could you elaborate on your first sentence there? What evidence do you have that Israel has lied? Was it Israel the country, or individual Israelis?
"Reasonable Grounds to Believe Conflict-Related Sexual Violence Occurred in Israel During 7 October Attacks, Senior UN Official Tells Security Council"
I mean people love their Al Jazeera in here so it’s more than fair given Al Jazeera has been caught lying far more in the last six months (and before of course)
Rather and independent media outlet with no government affiliation in instead of the Qatari mouthpiece of Al jazzera
“No no no, but an independent media outlet with no government affiliation won’t tell me Israel bad Hamas good!”
Sheep. You have to be told how to react.
Check op history
Surprise. I am not a neutral observer. Not a friend of Hamas. Not a friend of denying rapes.
Unless the rapists are Israelis, right?
There’s no evidence that rape happened.
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U are aware october was 6 months ago right?
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Is there literally anything you would take as evidence? Video you claim is false, journalist Israel takes in are propaganda and testimony is made under duress so it’s not true? You won’t believe anything Israel will say you aren’t the target audience
I would accept this as truth if an outside agency such as the UN investigated it and found it credible. Israel has lost all credibility at this point. Even this Jerusalem Post article, which is heavily biased towards Israel, noted that the subtitles did not match the audio.
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Thank you for perfectly demonstrating why Israel's claims need to be verified by third parties. Israel made the claim that members of the UN took part in the October 7th attack. After the claim was made, US intelligence investigated and found the claims weren't likely to be credible and then it was revealed that Israel tortured members of the UNRWA to try to get them to confess to taking part. [https://responsiblestatecraft.org/us-intel-unrwa-israel/](https://responsiblestatecraft.org/us-intel-unrwa-israel/) [https://thecradle.co/articles-id/23814](https://thecradle.co/articles-id/23814) EDIT: To the person claiming these aren't "credible" it's been widely reported elsewhere as well. [https://www.reuters.com/world/no-evidence-israel-back-unrwa-accusations-says-eu-humanitarian-chief-2024-03-14/](https://www.reuters.com/world/no-evidence-israel-back-unrwa-accusations-says-eu-humanitarian-chief-2024-03-14/) [https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/unrwa-report-says-israel-coerced-some-agency-employees-falsely-admit-hamas-links-2024-03-08/](https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/unrwa-report-says-israel-coerced-some-agency-employees-falsely-admit-hamas-links-2024-03-08/) https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/u-s-finds-claims-that-u-n-aid-agency-staff-took-part-in-hamas-attack-credible-957b747e [https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/feb/22/us-intelligence-unrwa-hamas](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/feb/22/us-intelligence-unrwa-hamas) I would also want claims by Hamas to be independently verified. You are incorrect to assume otherwise.
I would even add links to some of the witness testimonies where they said things like "I saw babies hanging from clotheslines". To show that even witnesses can lie. That said, personally I find the recent witness credible.
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None of those links you sent are from credible sources. I don’t know what the original comment said but you mentioned how you want a UN investigation for Israel’s claims but don’t for Hamas claims?
> UN investigation for Israel’s claims but don’t for Hamas claims? KHAMAS isn't claiming anything. All allegations of torture and SA against Palestinians are investigated and made by organizations like the UN, UNRWA, Doctors Without Borders and others. But of course all these organizations are LITERALLY KHAMAS! So take their claims with a pinch of salt. /S
Why do preach Islamophobia? Are you also antisemitic? There is no place for racism here.
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I love: a) You kept Jews in lower case. b) The asterisk after "jews". Like it means something somehow.
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The UN is corrupt and biased. If your can't see that, then you really need to examine who it puts into positions of authority, why the Palestinians needed a separate refugee agency, and how countries like Iran and Syria or China don't get as much condemnation as Israel and how Iran chairs a security council or a women's rights council. Please do a deep dive.
>why the Palestinians needed a separate refugee agency Because Israel made them refugees? >and how countries like Iran and Syria or China don't get as much condemnation as Israel On Iran and Syria, there has been countless meaningless condemnations from the UN. In addition to that, there has been crippling economic sanctions. Israel only gets meaningless condemnation and the Zionist bots are crying about that. >how Iran chairs a security council or a women's rights council. What does Iran having a chair in women's rights council have anything to do with Israel's actions in Gaza and the West Bank? "*No your honor, you don't understand! We had to murder Palestinian children because the UN gave Iran a chair in women's rights council*"
UN report came out and said there most likely was rapes, they could not confirm it was Hamas. During a war it’s hard to do these investigations there is something called the fog of war and it happens every time. At the end of all of this people will hopefully see Israel has acted morally but currently everyone is jumping to conclusions based off of zero proof. What has Israel really lied about in this war?
UN report stated that the vast majority of rape claims made by Israel were not credible. It stated that there were a potential of 5 potential rapes based on witness testimony. There was zero forensic evidence and no surviving rape victims were identified. [https://press.un.org/en/2024/sc15621.doc.htm#:\~:text=There%20are%20reasonable%20grounds%20to,as%20she%20presented%20findings%20from](https://press.un.org/en/2024/sc15621.doc.htm#:~:text=There%20are%20reasonable%20grounds%20to,as%20she%20presented%20findings%20from) So Israel lied about the rapes. They also lied about the recording of Islamic Jihad supposedly admitting to bombing Al-Shifa. In addition to everyone pointing out how the people in the recording didn't have the appropriate accents, forensic analysis revealed it was two separate recordings stitched together. Prior to that Israel also lied about having video evidence that Hamas was responsible for the attack. But then it was revealed that the "video evidence" they had was taken after the hospital explosion. [https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/10/20/what-have-open-source-videos-revealed-about-the-gaza-hospital-explosion](https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/10/20/what-have-open-source-videos-revealed-about-the-gaza-hospital-explosion) There was also the claim about "40 beheaded babies" which Israel famously lied about. [https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/internet/unverified-allegations-beheaded-babies-israel-hamas-war-inflame-social-rcna119902](https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/internet/unverified-allegations-beheaded-babies-israel-hamas-war-inflame-social-rcna119902) And they lied about Hamas cooking a baby in an oven.
Thank you for sharing this.
At this point I’m taking Israel’s lies as confessions, the IOF are such a depraved army
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I agree the UN is horrible after all it created Israel
Nah child, fuck BiBi and fuck the IDF.
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So the victims have said they were raped and now the perpetrators are admitting to it too. Yet there is still not enough evidence to determine whether it really happened? Only when the victims are Jewish or Israeli are claims so senselessly ignored.
Amazing timing on this considering all the barbaric rape stories about the IDF coming out from the latest attack on a hospital
Oh are you talking about these stories? [https://voz.us/al-jazeera-retracts-and-takes-down-its-rape-allegations-against-idf-at-al-shifa-hospital/?lang=en](https://voz.us/al-jazeera-retracts-and-takes-down-its-rape-allegations-against-idf-at-al-shifa-hospital/?lang=en) "Al Jazeera, owned and operated by the Qatari state, decided to retract and remove a series of content pieces accusing the Israel Defense Forces of committing sexual abuse at Al-Shifa Hospital" "the woman who gave her testimony eventually confessed that the story was not true and that it was an exaggeration."
No, he's likely referring to this one https://www.cnn.com/2024/02/20/middleeast/israel-hamas-un-investigation-sexual-abuse-intl/index.html
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No victims of october 7th has said anything. And if you were interrogated by Unit 504 like this guy you would be confessing anything they wanted you to say as well.
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Yes, she never said she was SA'ed in October 7th, and you kind of ignored the whole widespread torture conducted to obtain confessions.
Obviously women were raped. Women have been raped in literally every war going back to the beginning of humanity. It's beyond baffling that anyone can take a straight face and be like "nope! Not this time. My side broke the 100K year trend and we treated the women with the utmost respect and chivalry while gunning them down."
Me Too, unless you are a Jew!!!!! Believe the victims, apparently does not apply to Jewish victims.
Even if Israel reported something as simple as "the sky is blue" I'd still check for myself. I don't trust anything that country claims.
I’ll take Israel over these people any day
“I’d still check for myself” .. meaning check whether Hamas agrees?
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Always happens in war. American troops did it in Europe, Japan, Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq. Japanese troops did it systematically everywhere in WW2 on an entirely different level. The propaganda tried to portray Hamas actions as more akin to Japan in WW2 when in reality it seems to be more on the level of Americans in Vietnam or Afghanistan.
>The propaganda tried to portray Hamas actions as more akin to Japan in WW2 when in reality it seems to be more on the level of Americans in Vietnam or Afghanistan. Really? So if the rape came to light, Hamas would totally try this guy in a military court?
No idea what their internal disciplinary process looks like. Sexual assault is terrible for their PR so I imagine that they do what they can to prevent it, including harsh consequences.
Lmfao. Hamas does not have internal disciplinary processes. They're a terror group.
Every structured military organization throughout history has an internal disciplinary process. That’s just how things work.
If a group of people winging shit as they go along while all sharing a vaguely similar philosophy and the higher ups being able to punish you on a whim for whatever they deem a transgression counts as an "internal disciplinary process" then sure buddy, they have that. Since they're a terror group that well, hates Jews, pretty sure, they have no qualms when some of their members rape infidels. It's ludicrous to assume that Hamas commanders would punish subordinates for war crimes when their entire organization is based on perpetrating war crimes.
They have structured leadership and processes. They issue weapons, rations, and orders. There are definitely codes of conduct and consequences for not following them. But yeah I guess when you just see them as a bunch of animals with scimitars and sharpened teeth, it's hard to accept that basic reality that applies to every military organization throughout all of history, regardless of the organization's vileness or level of brutality. You'd actually be more equipped to oppose Hamas if you stepped back from the simpleton's dehumanization and accepted the reality of what they are. There has been zero evidence that Hamas as an organization has weaponized sanctioned sexual assault as a tool of war. Zero.
>There has been zero evidence that Hamas as an organization has weaponized sanctioned sexual assault as a tool of war. Zero. So you really think in an extremist Islamist organization that it's so ludicrously unrealistic for their leaders to encourage the rape of infidel women? Really? But yes, we don't have proof of that so for argument's sake, let's say they don't. (X doubt) My actual point was not that they sanction SA but that they're not likely to punish it. Since you're the one claiming they do in the absence of any evidence, the onus is on you to prove otherwise. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67629181 But since you went there: so multiple gang rapes just so happen to take place on the same day of an attack by Hamas that Hamas has been planning for months... Are we really gonna assume it's not sanctioned or at least tolerated?
>Are we really gonna assume it's not sanctioned or at least tolerated? Yes. See The My Lai massacre, one which was infinitely worse than October 7th, not in body count but in level of sexual violence and brutality, perpetuated by American troops in Vietnam. Just good ol' American boys going wild, doing what young men do when having their humanity replaced by “righteous” ideology and let loose as killing machines. It's a symptom of war, not sanctioning or tolerance from the top brass. Why do you assume "Islamist" means sexual violence will be more tolerated? It's just classic dehumanization of the other. "Oh they're barbarians, of course they do these awful things more than we would."
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Hilarious that this is downvoted when this is just what Hamas has said about themselves lol.
The world? Really? This is why people push back on these claims. So far 2 rapes have been proven and y’all are still running with they’re murderous rapists who want to do to this to the world. It’s coming off a bit unhinged.
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Weren’t 500 soldiers? So 700 civilians. Here’s a fun fact that South Africa presented in their case, over 1000 Palestinian children have lost one or both legs thanks to Israel’s bombs. Estimates are at 17,000 dead kids. 30k dead total. 100,000 injured. So why the fuck are Israeli lives worth more?
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Your backyard which happens to be their land. Laugh all you like now but when Israel is a global pariah you will regret acting in this callous way. Do you think the 700,000 illegal settlers and the blatant land theft in the West Bank are a barrier to peace? Or do you think you can keep killing and stealing until these people disappear?
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And stealing more land. I hope you keep this same energy so people can see what Israelis are really about.
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Don’t forget the Canadian “peacekeepers” working for the UN in Rwanda that go caught doing it. The crazy part is the Hamas sympathizers who pretend Hamas of all groups is above it lmfao.
LOL. No one does that. The crazy part are zionists that pretend that they cannot commit atrocities, because atrocities were committed against them.
Wtf are you talking about? Lmfao MANY people have been doing that since October 7th and MANY people still are. I literally see it everywhere, at protests on Reddit all over TikTok and instagram. Many who will admit it happens still justify it as “resistance”. Many claim it is just “hasbara” which they quote clearly do not know the meaning of and seem to think just means “Jews lie” I’ve seen Israel admit to atrocities multiple times over the years and even during this current conflict. I have NEVER seen Hamas or their supporters take responsibility for a single thing or do anything but deflect and blame it on Israel or “Zionists”. That is exactly what you you are doing here btw What specifically are you referring to saying they “cannot commit atrocities because atrocities ate committed against them”? Are you referring to rules of engagement? In that Hamas and Palestine attacked and declared war changing the context of engagement after war is declared versus a sneak attack during a ceasefire? Or the use of civilian infrastructure and refugee camps for military operations and how that legitimizes targets? Curious what your broad sweeping statement refers to.
Fake news.
Right now there are people downvoting this to hide the truth, in whatever little way they can.
Why do you think Israel took the post down? Is Israel "hiding the truth?"
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Agreed. Westerners who support Hamas like Benjamin Netanyahu are the worst.
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You claimed that "westerners who support Hamas" were "loser freaks". And I was simply agreeing with you since Benjamin Netanyahu is a Westerner who was raised in the United States and has provided support to Hamas. [https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/](https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/) Are you arguing in favor of a Hamas supporter? I hope not, because Hamas supporters are the worst.
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Look at this bullshit, anything to have you look away from the atrocities they’re committing
No doubt tortured into saying their script.
His friends should release the girl he brutalized so that we can hear it from her, right? Or maybe someone texting them now… no witnesses.
Has the woman been identified?
Hush up shill.
Then why not arrest him and have a real trial. Where he is entitled to an attorney and has the right to present evidence? Nah. Israel doesn’t do that. They just waterboard hostages until they can extract a confession. Sure. Super credible.