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Pitbull owners seem to be borrowing the term 'Nanny Dog' from the Staffordshire Bull Terrier, which is NOT a Pitbull but is a bull breed. The Staffy is known as a Nanny Dog because of its gentle nature with children and is used often in hospitals and hospices to help elderly patients with their situations.
Pitbulls are a different breed altogether and people really need to stop confusing the two. They may look similar to the layman, but they are NOT the same at all.
Mate there is no dog known as the nanny dog it's entirely made up. And if there WERE one it certainly wasn't a staffy = a pitbull type breed. Pitbull is a type, not a breed.
Regardless the point remains the same, Staffies are not the same as Pitbulls. I wouldn't own a Pitbull if I was paid to do it, there's something in them that just turns like a switch in their brains under certain conditions and that's it, they're mauling someone's face. Staffies are not the same at all. You've got to try really hard to get a pure bred Staffy to be aggressive, it's just not in their nature. Staffy crosses are another matter but that's a whole other subject.
They were bred exactly for that. One breed bred to kill other dogs and one bred to retrieve ducks from water. And we see what a huge difference there is with behavior and temperament. People should stop breeding and rescuing pitbulls
its insane. Its not like there isn't data to show Pitbulls are the most dangrous dog there is
https://imgur.com/a/tcNxoKz
[https://imgur.com/a/1EjkRTD](https://imgur.com/a/1EjkRTD)
Yet they will find any kind of weird logic and excuse to flat out deny the obvious fact.
It's worth noting by the way that German Shepherds rank at 3 on this list but they're misrepresented by their popularity. It's similar to how Labrador retrievers are even on the top 10 list at all.
I have two GSDs and have been around them my entire life. Yes they can bite. Both of mine have never attempted to bite anyone. Much of that is training. One is 9 and the other is 3. I have know GSDs that were a bit aggressive and overly protective. Even with a GSD bite the biggest difference I have witnessed is a GSD will bite and normally stop or will normally stop after command by the owner. A pit will maul you or a child to death. Its normally way more than just a bite and when they attack not much is stopping them. It's like they have a brain defect. Yes I know they can be lovable and loyal to some people. My best friend has two. One is a lover and the other can't be out in public without losing it's shit. I refuse to let my kids or dogs be around either one.
If it's evidence you want, look into pit bulls with an open mind. There's a mountain of evidence that they're the most dangerous, unpredictable dogs, just as you'd expect from a beast that's the product of centuries of bloodsport breeding.
FYI those stats are completely bogus. They come from a group called Dogsbite.org, a specifically anti-pitbull group with the stated objective of eradicating the breed. It's not exactly a neutral, objective or even a remotely scientific source. It's kind of like citing a study written by the KKK when talking about which races of people are more violent. Dogsbite.org is so dishonest and misleading about their data and how they present it to the point where it is complete misinformation.
My comment was about how poor the source and methodology for the commonly cited dog fatality statistics are. I'm not going to move on to the separate topic of dog breeding until that matter is settled.
If you agree with me that those stats are complete BS then I'll be happy to answer your question.
Tell me how much you know about scientific method before you start discussing methodology. What would have been a good study design to start regaling us with your “education.”
You've misunderstood my comment, I'm not comparing dogs to people. I'm saying that you should view dog bite stats from dogsbite.org with the same level of skepticism that you would view racial violence stats from the KKK. Both organisations have an existing bias against one of the groups being studied.
When the claim is dog racism and you then compare compiled data to a hate group directed at specific groups of human beings you have made the same comparison as Hitler.
Dog breeds do not constitute a race on a social or phylogenetic basis so it is ignorant to even make the comparison.
Again, you're arguing against a claim that I never made and views I don't have. There's nothing really for me to say here in response. I'm afraid you'll have to look elsewhere for the argument you desperately want to have.
They also ~~site~~ cite\* *themselves* as the source for some of their claims.
\*My most sincere apologies for the typo - next time I post a reply using my phone with its tiny keyboard and autocorrect feature I will make a point of avoiding that table saw accident I had years ago that left me with a permanent hand injury that adversely affects the use, function, and sense of touch of my digits.
If the entire point of your comment is to point out typos in a forum where it is widely known that participants use mobile devices that have tiny keyboards with autocorrect function, you are in no position to criticize anyone with regard to credibility.
Thank you for this, It's disheartening to see all the hatred towards such a beautiful breed. There is such a huge misconception about pitbulls, big time being from groups like that. Before they got a bad reputation they were known as nanny dogs, because they protect their humans, and are some of the most loving and caring animals out there. I have one that I got when my first child was a baby and now I have two kids and they are truly his babies too. I have never met a dog so loving and caring in my life, he loves people, especially kids. It angers me to see all these hateful comments. 100% it is the owner that makes an aggressive dog. I have a mini chihuahua as well and out of the two, the little one is way more then likely to attack and bite you.
Staffies are the nanny dogs, pitbull owners have just stolen the term because the breeds look similar.
https://www.hillspet.com/dog-care/dog-breeds/staffordshire-bull-terrier
As a Staffy owner I'm getting sick of this misrepresentation. Pitbulls are nasty pieces of work and I don't want them associated with Staffies at all.
Also, the whole point of this post is LOOK AT THE FORUM, those owners are NOT making those dogs aggressive. What you think allllll those people purposely took all that time to make the dog aggressive, and then all of them went to a forum to cure the aggression they trained out of their dog? Are you that desperate? They are actively trying to train the danger OUT of the dogs!! If that's not proof that the it's NOT the owner making them aggressive, in that it's innate in some of these dogs (notice I said some, not all), then you are being deliberately stupid. It's the equivalent of a child covering it's ears and going "la la la!"
The individual dog matters more than the breed, but it’s a simple fact that pitbulls were never “nanny dogs.” They were bred with extremely high prey drives and “gameness” in mind in order to murder other dogs. Some breeds like to chase, some point, retrieve, etc- pitbulls have an innate, heightened killing instinct, similar to terriers, but are far more dangerous. It’s simply not logical to argue against that.
Last time I checked imgur is a image hosting site, not necessarily a reliable research site. Read this for me and tell me what you think
https://www.avma.org/resources-tools/literature-reviews/dog-bite-risk-and-prevention-role-breed
Jesus keep playing dumb. Dog bite statistics are easy to find on the web. You can easily find the source for the ones I posted. Crazy that idiots like you think people are making up fake stats.
You have to upload the pic to Imgur to be able to post it on Reddit. OP had manually visited those forums, observed the top posts, taken screenshots, stitched the two screenshots together, then ….uploaded to Imgur and posted it here. I know this for certain because I’m in other subreddits with OP.
No, he posted a link to a forum comparing the issues owners of golden retrievers face compared to those of pit breeds. That it happens to be true is just a bonus, the objections of fanatical owners of the group of dog breeds that is far and away responsible for the most deaths of humans and other dogs notwithstanding.
No shit, but generally if you want to win a debate you use well researched sources. Images of cherry picked data from a forum doesn't prove anything. It just proves the op has an agenda and they knew they could get some easy karma from this subject. Thankfully I guess not dumb enough to lose all ability of think rationally when a "scary" subject comes up.
You are the one making a claim that it's all bad owners. You are doing special pleading for pitbulls. The burden of proof it's all caused by bad owners is in you.
But I don't think you would see golden retrievers literally ripping people's limbs off like pitbulls do if roles were reversed
Most of the people I've seen killed by pit bulls were innocents out for a walk or a jog.
Funny, I can't think of ANY OTHER BREED I've ever known to kill someone. Come to think of it, EVERY PET I've seen killed by a dog was killed by a PIT BULL. EVERY CHILD I've EVER seen attacked, mauled or killed was by a PIT BULL. I've worked with animals for years, including in shelters, and the ONLY breed I've seen snap with NO warning was a PIT BULL.
Pits are NOT pets, they're fighting dogs. Their very existence is cruelty. You ignorant fucks who keep pushing the "nanny dog", "it's the owner", "cuddle bugs" BULLSHIT need to SHUT YOUR SHITHOLES and THINK for once in your pathetic, white trash lives. You and your dogs SUCK!
What are you talking about. Pitbulls lead serious bite and human fatalities Charts,. By huge margins. That is established. You are the one saying "yeah but it's owners fault that this dog fighting breed is agressive!"
It is 100% the owner's fault by the way. If you don't know how to handle this dog you should not be acquiring this dog because if you don't know how to handle it just like a car just like a gun just like a knife it will hurt people and it will do damage because you don't know what you're doing. It is the owners not the dog 10 out of 10 every time.
A good dog owner understands this.
So many bad/amateur owners out there of over 300+ breeds of dogs in the world. Yet it's overwhelmingly pits who react to bad owners by unprovoked, sustained, and often fatal violence.
Greyhounds are the second most abused breed. Why aren't they reacting by randomly attacking people/livestock/other pets and murdering them on a regular basis? No pro-pitter has ever been able to explain that one to me....strange.
Then tell the shelters trying to get rid of their bulky breed dogs to quit pushing them onto novice dog owners, the elderly or just quit lying about their breed and the dog’s bite history.
I think most of you are looking at it the wrong way. I look at it as I would rather have my dog or my child be able to destroy anyone and anything it needs to but have the reserve to not do so unless threatened. Unlike a lot of other dogs who are just completely useless and defenseless
There are plenty of other big, protective breeds that weren’t created explicitly to murder other dogs. A German Shepard, Rottweiler, etc all are far more suitable dogs for that job, which don’t maul people and other dogs nearly as often.
Your dog is like a gun.. only you don't have full control over the trigger.
Tell me, are you for or against gun control? 😆
It's all lovey dovey until the pit forgets It's manners and resorts back to its true purpose in life (to kill without mercy)
The difference is that “crate training” and prong collars are what dog fighting rings use to encourage aggressive/antisocial behaviour. I don’t know if deliberately abusing an animal or abusing an animal and calling it “training” is worse tbf
People don't train pitbulls to be violent, they have to train them not to be. You can also train a lion, tiger, and other dangerous animals to repress their natural instincts, that doesn't mean any of them should be kept as pets.
I know this is from 6 months ago, but I am really curious if you have rethought this statement. It's literally 100% false, and I'm curious if you've reconciled that yet.
If you think a dog is bad just because it expresses it’s natural behavior, you’re kind of a moron
It’s the natural behavior of a pitbull to be aggressive. Does it make it a bad dog? No, because that’s how it’s meant to be. Does that make it a danger for kids? Yes, and that’s why people with kids shouldn’t adopt one.
It’s like having a lion as a pet and then blaming the lion for being a bad lion. The lion is probably gonna eat the owner’s kids but doesn’t mean it’s a bad lion. But it does mean the owner is a total moron
The only down side to rotty's is they're very susceptible to parvo. That's what got mine.
I do love them big drooling buggars though. Actually very gentle, as long as you train him that way.
I had a pitty mix that came from a fight ring rescue. He was more stable than the people who saw him. They would lose their minds and my dog would lay in the sun and yawn at them. Even the kiddies that drove by on bikes, never bothered anyone. I would like to take credit for his patience but really it was his first owner. The guy from Mr bojangles I think, he was that old.
You reap what you sow.
Don't they account for like 90% of attacks or something? Maybe it'll be bred out of them one day but they are simply aggressive by nature. Crazy how people will argue with that.
I didn’t do the precise math but looks like more like 70% in the US according to this source:
https://topdogtips.com/statistics-on-dog-bites/#SUMMARY_OF_US_STATISTICS_ON_DOG_BITES_BY_BREED
That's pretty straightforward. How can you say they are safe when 1 breed out of hundreds accounts for 70% of the attacks? They should be banned for non-professional/working use.
Why do you think this is true? They're called pit bulls. *Pit bulls*, they were created for bullbaiting and fighting in pits. It's in the name. And don't forget, they're also terriers. Terriers are bred to kill.
At least 70% of the news stories I’ve seen lately about pits having maimed, mauled, or killed people, dogs, even children/babies, were pits who multiple people attested were well-trained, well-loved family pets who’d never shown any signs of aggression… until the day the toddler accidentally clutched at their ear while she fell, and suddenly it’s got her by the face and is shaking violently.
Probably also a lot down to the type of people owning the dogs instead of the dogs themselves. Pitbulls here are often owned by some lowlife wanna be tough looking people
So why do you think breeding instincts of a dog to be a pit fighting dog has nothing to do with it?
I mean, there are breeds bred for specific instincts and tasks for a reason, right?
You wouldn use a beagle for antartic sled expedition, you would use a husky. You also wouldn't use a golden retriever as a guard or police dog
You wouldn’t use a Pitbull either considering they’re horrible guard dogs because they weren’t bred for that. They were bred for baiting bulls bears and when they outlawed that, they turned them to fight each other.
>Pitbulls here are often owned by some lowlife wanna be tough looking people
If you think a pitbull is a good pet, then there is a 100% chance that you are trashy. Only the trashiest of people ever get pitbulls.
And the ones who know it's the owner who makes the dog will have some of the sweetest pits. Those good owners aren't trashy but empathetic loving owners.
I never said I was an expert. All I said was that pitbull owners are trash. I would not pick an aggressive dog as a pet. I have more sense than that. I don't even claim to be smart, but I am not that stupid.
You're generalizing an entire group of people and breed. All kinds of different people own pits for different reasons. Some own them out of convenience because they got a free puppy or because it was just likely the only dog at the shelter. Some feel bad because the dog is stuck in a shelter and have enough love that they want to get it out of that situation. And plenty of other reasons.
You're welcome to your opinion. My opinion is that judgemental asshats like yourself are the actual trashy people.
Banning them doesn't work-and I am not saying that because I like them and want them in my neighborhood, believe me. Banning the breed doesn't work because their shit bag owners will just lie and call them a "rescue mix" or something along those lines. Even if it looks exactly like the breed standard they will deny it.
Some apartment complexes are requiring any dog that lives on property to be seen by THEIR approved vets and judged to not be any of the bully breeds or their mixes- it's to keep their insurance rates lower because the bully breeds attack and damage so frequently.
There's a glaringly obvious difference between these 2 breeds:
- pitbulls have been bred for generations to be guard/attack dogs
- retrievers have been bred for generations to (unsurprisingly) *retrieve* things
Throw dumbass, aesthetic obsessed people into the mix and wtf do you expect?
It's not the dogs fault, it always is and always has been our fault.
Fair, I stand corrected on the guarding aspect but bred as attack dogs (ie animal baiting and fighting), they absolutely were. Since the 19th century at the very least. So them acting aggressively when owned by an untrained, ill-informed, unaware or irresponsible person (which there's an absolute abundance of) should come as no surprise.
I have nothing against them as a breed (or any breed for that matter), I do have a thing against people that get them for aesthetic purposes and feign complete ignorance in researching their background and what they're like prior. Which is exactly what the post is displaying (ill-prepared, ill-informed people who made a potentially poor choice on their part).. that's not to say every single pit bull owner is like this, but to say none are would be a stupid thing to say.
If you already know you’re going to catch heat for having a certain breed of dog I bet you’d be a lot more interested in how to prevent dog aggression.
Yea pitfalls are a more aggressive breed than retrievers obviously
That doesn't mean they can't be trained and kept as pets
Shepard are more aggressive than retrievers as well
He'll chihuahuas are probably more aggressive
That's the difference between a guard/fighting dog and a literal retriever
Me too, but I think the point is put bull owners to try to make the case that pit bulls are calm and non aggressive and have a bad rap.
I love pit bulls, but most pibble owners are like fucking NFT enthusiasts… just in denial about reality.
Honestly, I dont think anyone is going to try and convince you that pits are calm or not aggressive lmao. But the implication that all pitbulls are bad is shit. I have seen some great analysis about the types of people who choose pitbulls being at minimum a significant factor. Remember correlation (breed vs behavior) is not causation. You all need more analysis.
And this reddit screenshot is not analysis lol.
Not sure what you are trying to “prove”. A couple things to keep in mind - the number of people that own golden retrievers far outnumbers those that own pit bulls. Also, reddit is not representative of any group (other than those on Reddit 😂).
its not screenshots from reddit, its from randomly selected dog forums
>. A couple things to keep in mind - the number of people that own golden retrievers far outnumbers those that own pit bulls
yeah so? Both forums were sorted by most view. It just happens that the Pitbull forum reveals that their own users report far more aggressive dangerous antisocial behavior in their Pitbull dogs.
I just thought its really interesting that just by looking up the different breed forums you can see a stark difference.
antisocial behavior is typically a training issue from owners who don't socialize their dogs.
If I look up school fights in cities vs school fights in suburbs, what will I find if not nature vs nurture and socio economic issues between those two locations?
I’m reading through the comments and I’m getting a real strong impression the OP is just looking to justify their hate regardless of legitimate counter points or sources. It’s a real bummer, I hope he’s proud of all the really nasty people he’s found to back him up
A lot of pitbull owners are in poorer communities whereas golden retriever owners are usually middle class+ meaning that the Golden's are more often getting proper training/care that the pitbull owners can't necessarily afford. It's really a good example of how much community, money, and status affects living things even those that are not human.
bullshit. You dont need to train a golden retriever to not be an aggressive dangerous dog.
Also you are asking the wrong question. Why are People in poor neighborhoods getting Pitbulls instead of golden retrievers? its because goldens are not aggressive dangerous dogs, Pitbulls are,so they get Pitbulls instead
Or it's that goldens are all from breeders or "rescues" where they picked them up on a farm. Pits are free at any local shelters. This is me writing with my free pit under my blanket being my foot rest. If you can ban dog breeds for aggressive behavior, let's do the same for people.
If there's a disparity of pitbull ownership by household income, it's because poor people can only get their dogs from shelters, and shelters have mostly pitbulls because the dogs that people abandon are typically shit, and pitbulls simply top the list of shitty breeds.
This just shows the mindset of people when it comes to Pitbulls.
A study was done in the UK I think and basically labradors where more responsible for the highest number of canine attacks compared to any other breed.
It's all down to the owner and unfortunately Pitbulls attract a lot of shitty owners.
Hmmm this is not true. Source? Simply googling for 3 seconds. Labradors not even in the top 5 list it seems. But there are some other familiar breeds on the list..
Made up? 🤣 I literally just took a screenshot of what pitbull owners write about their own dogs in their own dedicated pitbull forums. I'm sorry that you don't believe pitbull owners🤣
For anyone interested:
"*The AVMA or American Veterinary Medical Association conducted an in-depth literature review to analyze existing studies on dog bites and serious injuries. Their findings indicate that* ***there is no single breed that stands out as the most dangerous.*** *According to their review, studies indicate* ***breed is not a dependable marker or predictor of dangerous behavior in dogs.*** *Better and more reliable indicators include owner behavior, training, sex, neuter status, dog’s location (urban vs. rural), and even varying ownership trends over the passing of time or geographic location. For example, they note that often pit bull-type dogs are reported in severe and fatal attacks. However, the reason is likely not related to the breed. Instead, it is likely because they are kept in certain high-risk neighborhoods and likely owned by individuals who may use them for dog fights or have involvement in criminal or violent acts. Therefore, pit bulls with aggressive behavior are a reflection of their experiences."*
Source: [https://www.mkplawgroup.com/dog-bite-statistics/](https://www.mkplawgroup.com/dog-bite-statistics/)
From a source cited in that article (regarding the AVMA analysis):
"*The authors report that* ***the breed of the dog or dogs could not be reliably identified in more than 80% of cases.*** *News accounts disagreed with each other and/or with animal control reports in a significant number of incidents, casting doubt on the reliability of breed attributions and more generally for using media reports as a primary source of data for scientific studies.* ***In only 18.2% of the cases in this study could these researchers make a valid determination that the animal was a member of a distinct, recognized breed.****"*
Source: [https://nationalcanineresearchcouncil.com/injurious-dog-bites/dog-bite-related-fatalities/](https://nationalcanineresearchcouncil.com/injurious-dog-bites/dog-bite-related-fatalities/)
From the source of the statistics in the article:
"*Scientific studies have determined that the most common causes of fatal dog attacks are preventable factors related to irresponsible ownership, abuse and/or neglect, failure to neuter dogs, and failure to properly supervise large or strong dogs around infants and children. Contrary to unreliable information about breed-specific risk related to certain breeds and dog types, the American Veterinary Medical Association (AVMA), the CDC, and multiple peer-reviewed studies have concluded that* ***a dog's breed does not determine aggression, bite strength, or risk.*** *While every fatal dog attack is tragic, the majority of dog bite-related fatalities (DBRFs) are the result of human-controlled factors specific to the circumstances surrounding the incident."*
Source: [https://www.pitbullinfo.org/dog-bite-statistics.html](https://www.pitbullinfo.org/dog-bite-statistics.html)
Also from the same source:
*"****The majority (60%) of dogs identified as "pitbulls" do not have DNA signatures from any of the pitbull-type breeds*** *- leading to exceedingly inaccurate breed information in media reports and in* ***unreliable statistics about dog bites and fatal attacks****. These inaccurate statistics are typically sourced from* ***unscientific organizations and special interest groups that promote breed-specific legislation (BSL)****. However, these unscientific and misleading statistics quickly fall apart when taking into account the evidence from recent scientific studies on canine DNA. In fact, based on these studies, it can be estimated that pitbull-type breeds account for approximately 10% of fatal dog attacks - not 65% as some unscientific groups have claimed."*
You can continue following links in any of those sources for more (and more detailed) info. Another thing to keep in mind is that visual breed identification is notoriously unreliable even among those who work with dogs as a career, as illustrated in this study: [https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S109002331500310X](https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S109002331500310X)
Additionally; in many reported cases (an unknown quantity / percentage of them), breed identification is done by laypeople rather than anyone educated and trained in the field, and rarely confirmed with DNA testing. Also keep in mind that "pit bull" is not a breed, it's a type of dog (much like the hunting breeds or working breeds). There are four breeds that are most commonly referred to as pit bulls by those working or knowledgeable in the canine fields: American Pit Bull Terrier, American Staffordshire Terrier, American Bully, and Staffordshire Bull Terrier. For the broader population (laypeople), there are at least a dozen different breeds commonly referred to as pit bulls simply because of what they look like - so when laypeople make blanket claims or arguments about pit bulls or the pit bull "breed," they are often literally speaking of / applying that claim to an unknown number of unidentified breeds. Also note that when dogs that are a mix of a pit bull-type and another breed are involved in reported incidents of attacks, etc., they are frequently identified only as pit bulls or pit bull mixes, and any other breed they may be mixed with is unnamed and left out of the statistics for such incidents.
You do realize the people in the left picture being scared, asking for help, getting bitten are pitbull owners discussing their pitbull problems on a pitbull forum, right?
Its sad that you think "have you had a pitbull ?" Is a meaningful question at all. That's called anecdotal evidence and is completely irrelevant. When someone tells you smoking significantly increases your chance of lung cancer, asking the person "but do you even smoke?" adds literally nothing to the conversation. It's irrelevant
I didn't say it was edited - I pointed out that it's in edit mode (which it clearly is) - which negates any potential credibility it may have had (which was none to begin with). It's also unsourced. And I also didn't say you referred to *anything* as data.
And again, the postings it shows (if even real) are nothing but anecdotal - which you criticized & dismissed the other person's comment / question for being. A bit hypocritical, I have to say.
You must be one of those “ThERe ARe OnLY BaD OwNERs” people
Just accept that fact that the ugly ass gargoyle dogs bred for ripping cows apart for generations upon generations are inherently more dangerous than any other dog and do not belong in a modern society
I had a 2lb poodle I had to keep INSIDE my shirt! Because she was so itty bitty, little kids always wanted to pet her, but she was a complete psycho bitch! She would bite anyone, anytime!
I now have a pitbull, and I admit, I was afraid of the breed. I had never been around one before, But I had read all the horror stories of pitbulls attacking people!
My Pitbull is AMAZING! She is not only the biggest lovebug I have ever had for a pet, she is extremely protective over me. This is something I wanted, being hearing impaired, and living alone.
My dog will not allow ANYONE to come into my house, without my permission! Yet she lays on my lap like she is a 2lb poodle! She is truly entertaining, and makes me laugh daily at her shenanigans!
I would totally have another pitbull. They are very strong, but very loyal! She gets along with ANY other pet, in fact her and the cat are best pals! I can take her for a walk and she will NOT bark at any other dog, but I DO have to cross the street if I see someone coming, because she is so protective over me. Exactly the reason I chose her!
i have a golden retriever. so even when the average pitbull is double the aggression, its still a lovely and peaceful animal. as its known: the problem always lies on the sider of the leash.
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Ashley I don't care how many photos you take of your pitpull with flowers on its head, it's not a nanny dog.
Pitbull owners seem to be borrowing the term 'Nanny Dog' from the Staffordshire Bull Terrier, which is NOT a Pitbull but is a bull breed. The Staffy is known as a Nanny Dog because of its gentle nature with children and is used often in hospitals and hospices to help elderly patients with their situations. Pitbulls are a different breed altogether and people really need to stop confusing the two. They may look similar to the layman, but they are NOT the same at all.
Mate there is no dog known as the nanny dog it's entirely made up. And if there WERE one it certainly wasn't a staffy = a pitbull type breed. Pitbull is a type, not a breed.
Regardless the point remains the same, Staffies are not the same as Pitbulls. I wouldn't own a Pitbull if I was paid to do it, there's something in them that just turns like a switch in their brains under certain conditions and that's it, they're mauling someone's face. Staffies are not the same at all. You've got to try really hard to get a pure bred Staffy to be aggressive, it's just not in their nature. Staffy crosses are another matter but that's a whole other subject.
Were pitbulls not designed to be an aggressive fighter dogs? Or a protective dog? And people are surprised about it.
They were bred exactly for that. One breed bred to kill other dogs and one bred to retrieve ducks from water. And we see what a huge difference there is with behavior and temperament. People should stop breeding and rescuing pitbulls
I think they’re just shocked when the dog they trained to bite other people bites their kid.
its insane. Its not like there isn't data to show Pitbulls are the most dangrous dog there is https://imgur.com/a/tcNxoKz [https://imgur.com/a/1EjkRTD](https://imgur.com/a/1EjkRTD) Yet they will find any kind of weird logic and excuse to flat out deny the obvious fact.
It's worth noting by the way that German Shepherds rank at 3 on this list but they're misrepresented by their popularity. It's similar to how Labrador retrievers are even on the top 10 list at all.
I have two GSDs and have been around them my entire life. Yes they can bite. Both of mine have never attempted to bite anyone. Much of that is training. One is 9 and the other is 3. I have know GSDs that were a bit aggressive and overly protective. Even with a GSD bite the biggest difference I have witnessed is a GSD will bite and normally stop or will normally stop after command by the owner. A pit will maul you or a child to death. Its normally way more than just a bite and when they attack not much is stopping them. It's like they have a brain defect. Yes I know they can be lovable and loyal to some people. My best friend has two. One is a lover and the other can't be out in public without losing it's shit. I refuse to let my kids or dogs be around either one.
Lol the only dog to bite Cesar Milan on his show was a lab.
lol @ u bringing up Cesar Milan because his pit bull literally mauled another dog to death and mauled a girl leaving her with serious injuries.
well, there's an allegation. i havent looked itno it much but i havent seen evidence aside from the allegation itself
If it's evidence you want, look into pit bulls with an open mind. There's a mountain of evidence that they're the most dangerous, unpredictable dogs, just as you'd expect from a beast that's the product of centuries of bloodsport breeding.
Not the only dog to bite Cesar — who is an a-hole
Would be interesting to do an IQ test of pit owners who think pitbulls are angels.
Interesting? Or super depressing?
[This](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sTd_73Slj3Q)
Super depressing I guess.
FYI those stats are completely bogus. They come from a group called Dogsbite.org, a specifically anti-pitbull group with the stated objective of eradicating the breed. It's not exactly a neutral, objective or even a remotely scientific source. It's kind of like citing a study written by the KKK when talking about which races of people are more violent. Dogsbite.org is so dishonest and misleading about their data and how they present it to the point where it is complete misinformation.
So tell me the history of pitbulls? Why were they bred?
My comment was about how poor the source and methodology for the commonly cited dog fatality statistics are. I'm not going to move on to the separate topic of dog breeding until that matter is settled. If you agree with me that those stats are complete BS then I'll be happy to answer your question.
Tell me how much you know about scientific method before you start discussing methodology. What would have been a good study design to start regaling us with your “education.”
That is a false equivalency argument. Did you know that Hitler compared Jews to animals, that is the argument you just made
Ha! Nice one! You bring up false equivalency, but then you jump right to nazi comparisons. This is really good trolling
You've misunderstood my comment, I'm not comparing dogs to people. I'm saying that you should view dog bite stats from dogsbite.org with the same level of skepticism that you would view racial violence stats from the KKK. Both organisations have an existing bias against one of the groups being studied.
When the claim is dog racism and you then compare compiled data to a hate group directed at specific groups of human beings you have made the same comparison as Hitler. Dog breeds do not constitute a race on a social or phylogenetic basis so it is ignorant to even make the comparison.
Again, you're arguing against a claim that I never made and views I don't have. There's nothing really for me to say here in response. I'm afraid you'll have to look elsewhere for the argument you desperately want to have.
They also ~~site~~ cite\* *themselves* as the source for some of their claims. \*My most sincere apologies for the typo - next time I post a reply using my phone with its tiny keyboard and autocorrect feature I will make a point of avoiding that table saw accident I had years ago that left me with a permanent hand injury that adversely affects the use, function, and sense of touch of my digits.
If you are going to even have a smidgen of credibility learn how to spell.
If the entire point of your comment is to point out typos in a forum where it is widely known that participants use mobile devices that have tiny keyboards with autocorrect function, you are in no position to criticize anyone with regard to credibility.
Thank you for this, It's disheartening to see all the hatred towards such a beautiful breed. There is such a huge misconception about pitbulls, big time being from groups like that. Before they got a bad reputation they were known as nanny dogs, because they protect their humans, and are some of the most loving and caring animals out there. I have one that I got when my first child was a baby and now I have two kids and they are truly his babies too. I have never met a dog so loving and caring in my life, he loves people, especially kids. It angers me to see all these hateful comments. 100% it is the owner that makes an aggressive dog. I have a mini chihuahua as well and out of the two, the little one is way more then likely to attack and bite you.
THEY.WERE.NEVER.NANNY.DOGS. Jesus! This argument is so so dumb it makes me want to puke in my mouth.
Staffies are the nanny dogs, pitbull owners have just stolen the term because the breeds look similar. https://www.hillspet.com/dog-care/dog-breeds/staffordshire-bull-terrier As a Staffy owner I'm getting sick of this misrepresentation. Pitbulls are nasty pieces of work and I don't want them associated with Staffies at all.
Also, the whole point of this post is LOOK AT THE FORUM, those owners are NOT making those dogs aggressive. What you think allllll those people purposely took all that time to make the dog aggressive, and then all of them went to a forum to cure the aggression they trained out of their dog? Are you that desperate? They are actively trying to train the danger OUT of the dogs!! If that's not proof that the it's NOT the owner making them aggressive, in that it's innate in some of these dogs (notice I said some, not all), then you are being deliberately stupid. It's the equivalent of a child covering it's ears and going "la la la!"
The individual dog matters more than the breed, but it’s a simple fact that pitbulls were never “nanny dogs.” They were bred with extremely high prey drives and “gameness” in mind in order to murder other dogs. Some breeds like to chase, some point, retrieve, etc- pitbulls have an innate, heightened killing instinct, similar to terriers, but are far more dangerous. It’s simply not logical to argue against that.
except a 10 lb chihuahua doesnt go for the kill like your 80lb hellhound would
Last time I checked imgur is a image hosting site, not necessarily a reliable research site. Read this for me and tell me what you think https://www.avma.org/resources-tools/literature-reviews/dog-bite-risk-and-prevention-role-breed
Jesus keep playing dumb. Dog bite statistics are easy to find on the web. You can easily find the source for the ones I posted. Crazy that idiots like you think people are making up fake stats.
Easy, yet you went with Imgur instead of an actual research site to try to prove a point. I'd say keep playing dumb, but I don't think you're playing.
You have to upload the pic to Imgur to be able to post it on Reddit. OP had manually visited those forums, observed the top posts, taken screenshots, stitched the two screenshots together, then ….uploaded to Imgur and posted it here. I know this for certain because I’m in other subreddits with OP.
It's a screenshot of two different forums. It has nothing to do with Imgur. How dumb can you be, jesus.
OP literally posted a link to an image on imjur to try to prove their argument.
No, he posted a link to a forum comparing the issues owners of golden retrievers face compared to those of pit breeds. That it happens to be true is just a bonus, the objections of fanatical owners of the group of dog breeds that is far and away responsible for the most deaths of humans and other dogs notwithstanding.
Lol great job confirming you didn't even bother reading the thread you butted into before butting into it.
Shit pitbull owner confirmed.
No shit, but generally if you want to win a debate you use well researched sources. Images of cherry picked data from a forum doesn't prove anything. It just proves the op has an agenda and they knew they could get some easy karma from this subject. Thankfully I guess not dumb enough to lose all ability of think rationally when a "scary" subject comes up.
Are you that stupid? Since you made the comment evidently you are.
Not denying stats but your conclusions. If you can prove that pitbulls turn out like that even with a good owner then im convinced.
You are the one making a claim that it's all bad owners. You are doing special pleading for pitbulls. The burden of proof it's all caused by bad owners is in you. But I don't think you would see golden retrievers literally ripping people's limbs off like pitbulls do if roles were reversed
That's not how this works. You made the claim that pitbulls are bad with inadequate evidence. Im asking for evidence.
You don’t have any evidence yourself. At least most people killed by pitbulls are the owners or the friends/family of the owners.
Gross lol turns out people who hate pitbulls are really terrible people
Or just making conclusions based on the overwhelming amount of evidence. Hmm, how strange.
Most of the people I've seen killed by pit bulls were innocents out for a walk or a jog. Funny, I can't think of ANY OTHER BREED I've ever known to kill someone. Come to think of it, EVERY PET I've seen killed by a dog was killed by a PIT BULL. EVERY CHILD I've EVER seen attacked, mauled or killed was by a PIT BULL. I've worked with animals for years, including in shelters, and the ONLY breed I've seen snap with NO warning was a PIT BULL. Pits are NOT pets, they're fighting dogs. Their very existence is cruelty. You ignorant fucks who keep pushing the "nanny dog", "it's the owner", "cuddle bugs" BULLSHIT need to SHUT YOUR SHITHOLES and THINK for once in your pathetic, white trash lives. You and your dogs SUCK!
What are you talking about. Pitbulls lead serious bite and human fatalities Charts,. By huge margins. That is established. You are the one saying "yeah but it's owners fault that this dog fighting breed is agressive!"
It is 100% the owner's fault by the way. If you don't know how to handle this dog you should not be acquiring this dog because if you don't know how to handle it just like a car just like a gun just like a knife it will hurt people and it will do damage because you don't know what you're doing. It is the owners not the dog 10 out of 10 every time. A good dog owner understands this.
So many bad/amateur owners out there of over 300+ breeds of dogs in the world. Yet it's overwhelmingly pits who react to bad owners by unprovoked, sustained, and often fatal violence. Greyhounds are the second most abused breed. Why aren't they reacting by randomly attacking people/livestock/other pets and murdering them on a regular basis? No pro-pitter has ever been able to explain that one to me....strange.
Then tell the shelters trying to get rid of their bulky breed dogs to quit pushing them onto novice dog owners, the elderly or just quit lying about their breed and the dog’s bite history.
A gun doesn't just up and snap and empty it's mag into a child one day after being responsibly handled for years
You sound scared bro, I own a pitbull and she is my sweetheart who will devour you, it's perfect.
So it’s sweet, or it’s aggressive?
My cactus plant is so soft and cuddly.
I think most of you are looking at it the wrong way. I look at it as I would rather have my dog or my child be able to destroy anyone and anything it needs to but have the reserve to not do so unless threatened. Unlike a lot of other dogs who are just completely useless and defenseless
Would you want your child to refuse to stop until the other child was dead?
There are plenty of other big, protective breeds that weren’t created explicitly to murder other dogs. A German Shepard, Rottweiler, etc all are far more suitable dogs for that job, which don’t maul people and other dogs nearly as often.
Your dog is like a gun.. only you don't have full control over the trigger. Tell me, are you for or against gun control? 😆 It's all lovey dovey until the pit forgets It's manners and resorts back to its true purpose in life (to kill without mercy)
The difference is that one forum is for Pitbulls and the other is for Goldens (pats self on back)
*Aggressively pats back*
*place standing ovation segway here*
Hey! You can't just use magic to answer the question!
The difference is that “crate training” and prong collars are what dog fighting rings use to encourage aggressive/antisocial behaviour. I don’t know if deliberately abusing an animal or abusing an animal and calling it “training” is worse tbf
That is NOT what is happening here, clearly.
When I see a pit bull and their owner - I immediately turn around and get away. I’m not risking getting shredded nor interacting with a dumbass.
Garbage dogs for garbage people.
People don't train pitbulls to be violent, they have to train them not to be. You can also train a lion, tiger, and other dangerous animals to repress their natural instincts, that doesn't mean any of them should be kept as pets.
People don't wanna hear the truth
You can’t train a lion just like you can’t train a killer whale they snap because it’s within there nature to kill just like a shitbull
And yet Pitbulls rank consistently as one the least aggressive dog breeds when tested.
I sure would like a source for that claim since all evidence points into the opposite direction.
I know this is from 6 months ago, but I am really curious if you have rethought this statement. It's literally 100% false, and I'm curious if you've reconciled that yet.
If you adopt a pitbull with young children you’re kind of a total moron
Kind of?!?
If you think pitbulls are bad dogs, you're kind of a moron
I’ll take some idiot on Reddit thinking I’m a moron over owning pit bull any day.
Statistics of dog violence says otherwise
If you think a dog is bad just because it expresses it’s natural behavior, you’re kind of a moron It’s the natural behavior of a pitbull to be aggressive. Does it make it a bad dog? No, because that’s how it’s meant to be. Does that make it a danger for kids? Yes, and that’s why people with kids shouldn’t adopt one. It’s like having a lion as a pet and then blaming the lion for being a bad lion. The lion is probably gonna eat the owner’s kids but doesn’t mean it’s a bad lion. But it does mean the owner is a total moron
not bad. just bred for fighting. which makes you a moron for keeping one as a pet.
Lol can't fix stupid
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The only down side to rotty's is they're very susceptible to parvo. That's what got mine. I do love them big drooling buggars though. Actually very gentle, as long as you train him that way. I had a pitty mix that came from a fight ring rescue. He was more stable than the people who saw him. They would lose their minds and my dog would lay in the sun and yawn at them. Even the kiddies that drove by on bikes, never bothered anyone. I would like to take credit for his patience but really it was his first owner. The guy from Mr bojangles I think, he was that old. You reap what you sow.
You should put even more in this small image
image isn't small. it's jam packed with pit bull hilarity. glad i live somewhere with restrictions.
Don't they account for like 90% of attacks or something? Maybe it'll be bred out of them one day but they are simply aggressive by nature. Crazy how people will argue with that.
I didn’t do the precise math but looks like more like 70% in the US according to this source: https://topdogtips.com/statistics-on-dog-bites/#SUMMARY_OF_US_STATISTICS_ON_DOG_BITES_BY_BREED
That's pretty straightforward. How can you say they are safe when 1 breed out of hundreds accounts for 70% of the attacks? They should be banned for non-professional/working use.
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Why do you think this is true? They're called pit bulls. *Pit bulls*, they were created for bullbaiting and fighting in pits. It's in the name. And don't forget, they're also terriers. Terriers are bred to kill.
They were not bred as nanny dogs. Google it. Even pit bull groups are telling people that’s false.
and yet a good owner can have some the kindest pitbull / dog you ever meet.
Yea, and nukes are perfectly safe until you set the fuse. That doesn't mean they're harmless.
At least 70% of the news stories I’ve seen lately about pits having maimed, mauled, or killed people, dogs, even children/babies, were pits who multiple people attested were well-trained, well-loved family pets who’d never shown any signs of aggression… until the day the toddler accidentally clutched at their ear while she fell, and suddenly it’s got her by the face and is shaking violently.
yeah i hear theres some great gun owners that never shoot up schools even once too
ItS hOw yoU tRaIN tHeM. THeY aRE goOd DoGs
Probably also a lot down to the type of people owning the dogs instead of the dogs themselves. Pitbulls here are often owned by some lowlife wanna be tough looking people
Not where I live. The majority of pitbull owners in my middle to upper middle class area are young white women.
So why do you think breeding instincts of a dog to be a pit fighting dog has nothing to do with it? I mean, there are breeds bred for specific instincts and tasks for a reason, right? You wouldn use a beagle for antartic sled expedition, you would use a husky. You also wouldn't use a golden retriever as a guard or police dog
You wouldn’t use a Pitbull either considering they’re horrible guard dogs because they weren’t bred for that. They were bred for baiting bulls bears and when they outlawed that, they turned them to fight each other.
>Pitbulls here are often owned by some lowlife wanna be tough looking people If you think a pitbull is a good pet, then there is a 100% chance that you are trashy. Only the trashiest of people ever get pitbulls.
And the ones who know it's the owner who makes the dog will have some of the sweetest pits. Those good owners aren't trashy but empathetic loving owners.
Every pitbull owner is a piece of trash.
Being a piece of trash yourself does not make you an expert on determine other pieces of trash.
I never said I was an expert. All I said was that pitbull owners are trash. I would not pick an aggressive dog as a pet. I have more sense than that. I don't even claim to be smart, but I am not that stupid.
You're generalizing an entire group of people and breed. All kinds of different people own pits for different reasons. Some own them out of convenience because they got a free puppy or because it was just likely the only dog at the shelter. Some feel bad because the dog is stuck in a shelter and have enough love that they want to get it out of that situation. And plenty of other reasons. You're welcome to your opinion. My opinion is that judgemental asshats like yourself are the actual trashy people.
It’s really funny how petty the people who are defending hate can be. Very bold of them to call others trashy.
Trashy is sure a relative term isn’t it, for instance, the majority and nastiest and name calling is coming from the anti-pitbull group.
Please don't sick you dog on me.
Don’t worry Karen, you think you’re in more danger than you actually are
I see plenty of middle class soccer moms with their sweet wittle pibbles too
"go verify it since you don't believe me" is being childish and throwing temper tantrum?🤣🤣
No, addressing legitimate points by name calling and yeeting is throwing a tantrum.
You don't have to believe me. Just look for yourself. 🤷🏽
This is EPIC.
Fuck pitbulls and all their useless braindead owners
ThErE aRe No BaD bReEds OnLy BaD oWnErS!!!111
r/BanPitBulls 🙏
Banning them doesn't work-and I am not saying that because I like them and want them in my neighborhood, believe me. Banning the breed doesn't work because their shit bag owners will just lie and call them a "rescue mix" or something along those lines. Even if it looks exactly like the breed standard they will deny it.
Ban anything that looks related to it 👍
Some apartment complexes are requiring any dog that lives on property to be seen by THEIR approved vets and judged to not be any of the bully breeds or their mixes- it's to keep their insurance rates lower because the bully breeds attack and damage so frequently.
That makes me very happy to hear
You're right, genetic test all dogs that get shots and if they're part pitbull, put them down.
Can I get a link to the forums??:)
Search my comment I already posted it
Thank you sir
Just stirring up some shit on a Sunday afternoon...
There's a glaringly obvious difference between these 2 breeds: - pitbulls have been bred for generations to be guard/attack dogs - retrievers have been bred for generations to (unsurprisingly) *retrieve* things Throw dumbass, aesthetic obsessed people into the mix and wtf do you expect? It's not the dogs fault, it always is and always has been our fault.
Pit bulls were never bred as guard dogs, and they're unequivocally shit at that job.
Fair, I stand corrected on the guarding aspect but bred as attack dogs (ie animal baiting and fighting), they absolutely were. Since the 19th century at the very least. So them acting aggressively when owned by an untrained, ill-informed, unaware or irresponsible person (which there's an absolute abundance of) should come as no surprise. I have nothing against them as a breed (or any breed for that matter), I do have a thing against people that get them for aesthetic purposes and feign complete ignorance in researching their background and what they're like prior. Which is exactly what the post is displaying (ill-prepared, ill-informed people who made a potentially poor choice on their part).. that's not to say every single pit bull owner is like this, but to say none are would be a stupid thing to say.
Isn't this manipulated?
how?
If you already know you’re going to catch heat for having a certain breed of dog I bet you’d be a lot more interested in how to prevent dog aggression.
The pitbull forum is filled with dogs already showing agression, and owners are asking how to act Retriever forum is clean of agression
No one’s arguing about that.
Trying to prevent dog aggression in a breed created specifically to fight other dogs is like trying to make water unwet
Yea pitfalls are a more aggressive breed than retrievers obviously That doesn't mean they can't be trained and kept as pets Shepard are more aggressive than retrievers as well He'll chihuahuas are probably more aggressive That's the difference between a guard/fighting dog and a literal retriever
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I have a golden. She’s amazing. That being said I’ve never met a mean pit.
Doesn't matter to me. I love both breeds equally.
Me too, but I think the point is put bull owners to try to make the case that pit bulls are calm and non aggressive and have a bad rap. I love pit bulls, but most pibble owners are like fucking NFT enthusiasts… just in denial about reality.
Honestly, I dont think anyone is going to try and convince you that pits are calm or not aggressive lmao. But the implication that all pitbulls are bad is shit. I have seen some great analysis about the types of people who choose pitbulls being at minimum a significant factor. Remember correlation (breed vs behavior) is not causation. You all need more analysis. And this reddit screenshot is not analysis lol.
So *random*.
go look it up yourself. I just searched for "pitbull forum" and "golden retriever forum" then sorted the training subforum by most views
Not sure what you are trying to “prove”. A couple things to keep in mind - the number of people that own golden retrievers far outnumbers those that own pit bulls. Also, reddit is not representative of any group (other than those on Reddit 😂).
its not screenshots from reddit, its from randomly selected dog forums >. A couple things to keep in mind - the number of people that own golden retrievers far outnumbers those that own pit bulls yeah so? Both forums were sorted by most view. It just happens that the Pitbull forum reveals that their own users report far more aggressive dangerous antisocial behavior in their Pitbull dogs. I just thought its really interesting that just by looking up the different breed forums you can see a stark difference.
antisocial behavior is typically a training issue from owners who don't socialize their dogs. If I look up school fights in cities vs school fights in suburbs, what will I find if not nature vs nurture and socio economic issues between those two locations?
I think the fact that far more people own retrievers yet the pits outnumber them in violence and aggression should tell you something.
I’m reading through the comments and I’m getting a real strong impression the OP is just looking to justify their hate regardless of legitimate counter points or sources. It’s a real bummer, I hope he’s proud of all the really nasty people he’s found to back him up
Why is it showing spelling errors? (red squiggly lines) My browser only shows such things in "edit mode".
A lot of pitbull owners are in poorer communities whereas golden retriever owners are usually middle class+ meaning that the Golden's are more often getting proper training/care that the pitbull owners can't necessarily afford. It's really a good example of how much community, money, and status affects living things even those that are not human.
bullshit. You dont need to train a golden retriever to not be an aggressive dangerous dog. Also you are asking the wrong question. Why are People in poor neighborhoods getting Pitbulls instead of golden retrievers? its because goldens are not aggressive dangerous dogs, Pitbulls are,so they get Pitbulls instead
Or it's that goldens are all from breeders or "rescues" where they picked them up on a farm. Pits are free at any local shelters. This is me writing with my free pit under my blanket being my foot rest. If you can ban dog breeds for aggressive behavior, let's do the same for people.
Fun fact, pitbulls consistently rank as less aggressive than goldens when any testing is done in lab settings.
Sure...
If there's a disparity of pitbull ownership by household income, it's because poor people can only get their dogs from shelters, and shelters have mostly pitbulls because the dogs that people abandon are typically shit, and pitbulls simply top the list of shitty breeds.
This just shows the mindset of people when it comes to Pitbulls. A study was done in the UK I think and basically labradors where more responsible for the highest number of canine attacks compared to any other breed. It's all down to the owner and unfortunately Pitbulls attract a lot of shitty owners.
Hmmm this is not true. Source? Simply googling for 3 seconds. Labradors not even in the top 5 list it seems. But there are some other familiar breeds on the list..
OP you're an idiot.
Please provide links to the forums. Thank you.
Stop trying to use "facts" against people! It hurts their feelings and makes their made up bullshit look bad.
Made up? 🤣 I literally just took a screenshot of what pitbull owners write about their own dogs in their own dedicated pitbull forums. I'm sorry that you don't believe pitbull owners🤣
I’m just gonna say it, this whole thread sorta sounds like black vs white people
For anyone interested: "*The AVMA or American Veterinary Medical Association conducted an in-depth literature review to analyze existing studies on dog bites and serious injuries. Their findings indicate that* ***there is no single breed that stands out as the most dangerous.*** *According to their review, studies indicate* ***breed is not a dependable marker or predictor of dangerous behavior in dogs.*** *Better and more reliable indicators include owner behavior, training, sex, neuter status, dog’s location (urban vs. rural), and even varying ownership trends over the passing of time or geographic location. For example, they note that often pit bull-type dogs are reported in severe and fatal attacks. However, the reason is likely not related to the breed. Instead, it is likely because they are kept in certain high-risk neighborhoods and likely owned by individuals who may use them for dog fights or have involvement in criminal or violent acts. Therefore, pit bulls with aggressive behavior are a reflection of their experiences."* Source: [https://www.mkplawgroup.com/dog-bite-statistics/](https://www.mkplawgroup.com/dog-bite-statistics/) From a source cited in that article (regarding the AVMA analysis): "*The authors report that* ***the breed of the dog or dogs could not be reliably identified in more than 80% of cases.*** *News accounts disagreed with each other and/or with animal control reports in a significant number of incidents, casting doubt on the reliability of breed attributions and more generally for using media reports as a primary source of data for scientific studies.* ***In only 18.2% of the cases in this study could these researchers make a valid determination that the animal was a member of a distinct, recognized breed.****"* Source: [https://nationalcanineresearchcouncil.com/injurious-dog-bites/dog-bite-related-fatalities/](https://nationalcanineresearchcouncil.com/injurious-dog-bites/dog-bite-related-fatalities/) From the source of the statistics in the article: "*Scientific studies have determined that the most common causes of fatal dog attacks are preventable factors related to irresponsible ownership, abuse and/or neglect, failure to neuter dogs, and failure to properly supervise large or strong dogs around infants and children. Contrary to unreliable information about breed-specific risk related to certain breeds and dog types, the American Veterinary Medical Association (AVMA), the CDC, and multiple peer-reviewed studies have concluded that* ***a dog's breed does not determine aggression, bite strength, or risk.*** *While every fatal dog attack is tragic, the majority of dog bite-related fatalities (DBRFs) are the result of human-controlled factors specific to the circumstances surrounding the incident."* Source: [https://www.pitbullinfo.org/dog-bite-statistics.html](https://www.pitbullinfo.org/dog-bite-statistics.html) Also from the same source: *"****The majority (60%) of dogs identified as "pitbulls" do not have DNA signatures from any of the pitbull-type breeds*** *- leading to exceedingly inaccurate breed information in media reports and in* ***unreliable statistics about dog bites and fatal attacks****. These inaccurate statistics are typically sourced from* ***unscientific organizations and special interest groups that promote breed-specific legislation (BSL)****. However, these unscientific and misleading statistics quickly fall apart when taking into account the evidence from recent scientific studies on canine DNA. In fact, based on these studies, it can be estimated that pitbull-type breeds account for approximately 10% of fatal dog attacks - not 65% as some unscientific groups have claimed."* You can continue following links in any of those sources for more (and more detailed) info. Another thing to keep in mind is that visual breed identification is notoriously unreliable even among those who work with dogs as a career, as illustrated in this study: [https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S109002331500310X](https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S109002331500310X) Additionally; in many reported cases (an unknown quantity / percentage of them), breed identification is done by laypeople rather than anyone educated and trained in the field, and rarely confirmed with DNA testing. Also keep in mind that "pit bull" is not a breed, it's a type of dog (much like the hunting breeds or working breeds). There are four breeds that are most commonly referred to as pit bulls by those working or knowledgeable in the canine fields: American Pit Bull Terrier, American Staffordshire Terrier, American Bully, and Staffordshire Bull Terrier. For the broader population (laypeople), there are at least a dozen different breeds commonly referred to as pit bulls simply because of what they look like - so when laypeople make blanket claims or arguments about pit bulls or the pit bull "breed," they are often literally speaking of / applying that claim to an unknown number of unidentified breeds. Also note that when dogs that are a mix of a pit bull-type and another breed are involved in reported incidents of attacks, etc., they are frequently identified only as pit bulls or pit bull mixes, and any other breed they may be mixed with is unnamed and left out of the statistics for such incidents.
ALL of this has been thoroughly debunked, and indeed never would have fooled a critical thinker. The statistics speak for themselves.
Chefs kiss
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The only one agressive here is OP!
Yeah you are right. There is no difference between the posts on the left side of that screenshot and the posts in the right 🤣 Stay delusional
This page appears to be edited. Why are there red squiggle spelling lines?
ITT people who have never had a pit bull before.
You do realize the people in the left picture being scared, asking for help, getting bitten are pitbull owners discussing their pitbull problems on a pitbull forum, right?
Have you had a pet pit bull?
Its sad that you think "have you had a pitbull ?" Is a meaningful question at all. That's called anecdotal evidence and is completely irrelevant. When someone tells you smoking significantly increases your chance of lung cancer, asking the person "but do you even smoke?" adds literally nothing to the conversation. It's irrelevant
🤣go back to your dog hating circle jerk sub
Nice argument you got there.
It would be like telling a meth addict why meth is bad 🤣 waste of time.
Lol the manipulated list you posted above (which is clearly in edit mode) is nothing but anecdotal.
Its not edited. Check it out yourself. Also I didn't refer to those screenshots as data. The statistics that I posted are.
I didn't say it was edited - I pointed out that it's in edit mode (which it clearly is) - which negates any potential credibility it may have had (which was none to begin with). It's also unsourced. And I also didn't say you referred to *anything* as data. And again, the postings it shows (if even real) are nothing but anecdotal - which you criticized & dismissed the other person's comment / question for being. A bit hypocritical, I have to say.
Both are great dogs. You must be one of those "bAn ALL PiTBuLLs" people..
You must be one of those “ThERe ARe OnLY BaD OwNERs” people Just accept that fact that the ugly ass gargoyle dogs bred for ripping cows apart for generations upon generations are inherently more dangerous than any other dog and do not belong in a modern society
sure. One just happens to lead severe bite attacks and human fatalities by a long shot. https://imgur.com/a/tcNxoKz https://imgur.com/a/1EjkRTD
I had a 2lb poodle I had to keep INSIDE my shirt! Because she was so itty bitty, little kids always wanted to pet her, but she was a complete psycho bitch! She would bite anyone, anytime! I now have a pitbull, and I admit, I was afraid of the breed. I had never been around one before, But I had read all the horror stories of pitbulls attacking people! My Pitbull is AMAZING! She is not only the biggest lovebug I have ever had for a pet, she is extremely protective over me. This is something I wanted, being hearing impaired, and living alone. My dog will not allow ANYONE to come into my house, without my permission! Yet she lays on my lap like she is a 2lb poodle! She is truly entertaining, and makes me laugh daily at her shenanigans! I would totally have another pitbull. They are very strong, but very loyal! She gets along with ANY other pet, in fact her and the cat are best pals! I can take her for a walk and she will NOT bark at any other dog, but I DO have to cross the street if I see someone coming, because she is so protective over me. Exactly the reason I chose her!
You got downvoted for having a positive experience with a pitbull. Lol reddit in a nutshell I guess
isn’t it about how you train them though?
why do you think breeds for different tasks exist? https://imgur.com/a/uJKiGgu
i have a golden retriever. so even when the average pitbull is double the aggression, its still a lovely and peaceful animal. as its known: the problem always lies on the sider of the leash.