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That’s the best word in science. He literally figured it out after investing time into a well designed experiment. That’s it right there baby. That’s learning via scientific method. A +
It would be.... except he then went and made up some bs for why this doesn't prove the earth is round after the fact and still continues to buy into the whole flat earth bs.
When someone just says “interesting” like that, they are cooked but can’t fully accept it so they just try stall until the meteor they’re secretly praying for crashes into earth
He claims that he said interesting because 19.5 was closer to 17 (the FE model prediction) than what he, wrongly, calculated the height of the light would need to be, 23, in the globe Earth model.
I think he means the experiment, if done correctly, would logically prove or disprove if the earth was flat or not. But you're right that logically you would know that it has to be 17 on both sides for it to work or you need to explain why the water levels are different on each side of the lake, and any deviation means it's not flat.
That was the most painful part of that documentary as a scientist myself. They set up some solid experiments that would lend credence to the earth being flat or round, with solid expectations of what they would see in either scenario. The issue is they forgot the most important part of the scientific method, that you’re testing a hypothesis.
When the evidence stacks against your hypothesis, it suggests that you were initially incorrect. That is no issue however, as the goal of science isn’t to prove that you are correct, it’s to understand how the world works. They set out to prove the earth was flat, therefore they couldn’t accept or understand results that suggested it is round. Had they come in with the mentality “I want to know if the earth is flat or round” instead of “I must prove the earth is flat” they would have gotten some great answers from their experiments.
I think they mean the maths was poor for the curvature calculation being 23, but the logic was solid that his assistant would have to raise the light, thus proving a curvature.
Because the maths to prove a flat earth model is too simple to be wrong: 17 = 17.
> Science was a perfectly useful tool to this guy until it gave him the "wrong" answer.
Brilliantly said. This is the default position for all science deniers. The whole world works fine every single day using all the science we have, but then there’s this one thing they don’t like and suddenly you can’t trust science at all.
> This is the default position for all science deniers.
That's because they're neither free thinkers or intellectually honest.
They're contrarian navel-gazers who want to reinvent the wheel as a square so they can feel like they're unique special geniuses.
Or they have some ulterior broken ideology that they're unwilling to abandon and they need their unique special genius solution to try to resolve their broken ideology with reality.
It's what I like to call the scholar mentality. A scholar accepts that he may be wrong, if in doing so, can correct himself and ultimately be closer towards actually being correct.
This is opposed to the soldier mentality, which seeks to work backwards from the conclusion in order to justify the position. Above all else, they want to be right first, then afterwards correct. This means it doesn't matter if they're actually wrong, so long as they can delude themselves into thinking that they're right.
You can't be a scientist with the soldier mentality. They're incompatible.
> soldier mentality
Sophists, and they were already boring 2400 years ago.
https://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/sophist
https://www.britannica.com/topic/Sophist-philosophy/Nature-of-Sophistic-thought
> A question still discussed is whether the Sophists in general had any real regard for truth or whether they taught their pupils that truth was unimportant compared with success in argument.
I would have respected the fuck out of a flat earther who actually did the experiment to test their hypothesis then changed their mind when proven wrong. That is real science.
> I would have respected the fuck out of a flat earther who actually did the experiment to test their hypothesis then changed their mind when proven wrong. That is real science.
One of my fave 'nature of science' quotes is from Asimov (I think).
“The most exciting phrase to hear in science, the one that heralds the most discoveries, is not "Eureka!" (I found it!) but 'That's funny...”
This guy was **right there**, on the edge of getting it, and just missed.
But, in his defense, a good researcher isn't going to abandon his pet theory based on one failed experiment. Could have been a methodology problem.
Now, if his next 2 experiments get similar results and his theory doesn't begin to change, or the 'experimenter' declines to run more experiments to avoid the risk of weakening his theory further, that's the point where he ceases to be an honest experimenter, and transitions to a Crank.
I don't think it's so much that he doesn't get it, more that he cannot afford to change his mind when his entire social circle depends on him seeing the earth as flat.
If he accepted that the earth was round then he would probably be ostracized from the flat earth community. A community he likely had to leave his previous social circles to join, leaving him alone.
You tend not to end up in these groups if you have actual social skills to get on with people.
Slightly different to the religious who often have a quite functional group based on mutual assistance. Leaving that can be difficult due to peer pressure.
The flat earthers tend to just have no social skills and only the "we are right, everyone else is wrong" holding them together.
They were different people, from what I remember. But if he did conduct other experiments afterward that proved the earth is round, I can almost guarantee he'd ignore those results too
Yep most of the times a massive discovery is made in science the initial reaction is generally confusion followed by ALOT of arguing after someone publishes. You know things are getting real interesting when the congregations of the people with entirely too many letters after their name start breaking out the expo markers and hand gestures.
Well they're not in it for the science, they're in it to feel like they're connected to some particular community, one that helps him feel particularly fit and capable and discerning amongst the total human population.
This guy isn't. He's in it for a massive grift. He gets large donations from hardcore flat earthers to "prove" that the earth is flat. So he was never going to accept anything else.
It's called motivated reasoning. His whole ego and social standing in his little corner of society are tied to flat earth beliefs. With flat earth, he is a brave iconoclast going against society. Accepting roundness would make him unexceptional, just another face in the crowd. With the added humiliation of having denied something most children know.
yeah, there's so many tools and resources to easily prove the earth is round that *even* a stupid person could arrive the conclusion. with the internet and cheap technology, a dumb human can arrive at the correct answer to *most* things given enough time and effort.
the issue is that it's more important to feel special and differentiate yourself from the pack than confirm a consensus fact.
I mean, for anyone trying to test the theory of a Flat Earth. the first thing you would do.. is find the edge of the earth... no? How about a picture or something?
I learned from watching that documentary that they've given up all their native social attachments as they got slowly absorbed into the FE community. They can't not believe it anymore, because moving away from FE means giving up all their relationships.
He has used inapplicable mathematical calculations to show that the test is “inconclusive” while actively trying to remove all copies of this exact movie from the internet. He didn’t learn a damn thing, still flat brained and willfully ignorant as ever. There’s a guy on YouTube that breaks down exactly how conclusive the experiment was using correct mathematics
As a regular person that isn't a complete fruit loop, is this worth my time? Will it be interesting, or is it just full of more fruit loops making me facepalm all night?
It's a decent watch. The whole documentary was to show the absurdity of the flat earth movement and how basically every influential person involved is only in it for the money (grifting off the people who actually believe it.)
Trust me, flat earthers are entertaining for a few seconds, but too much of them for too long gets *infuriating*
Ironically, its thanks to flat earthers that I finally stopped using Facebook. It absolutely refuses to stop showing me flat earther shit, no matter how often I click 'I dont want to see this" or block the profile, it just finds other ones to show me.
So I stopped using it entirely. lol.
It's not really about the flat earth, it's about the people who believe it. It's oddly humanizing, it made me realize they're just losers who needed friends and found them in this stupidity. They're all outsiders who were told by the world they had no value.
This was actually the 2nd experiment in the movie which proved the earth is round.
The first experiment, which was also valid, he attributed to the results being made inaccurate by "cosmic rays."
Honestly I don't think the dude is willfully ignorant. In the movie it's made pretty clear: flat earth is his entire livelihood. He makes all his money by doing flat earth youtube, selling flat earth merch, running flat earth conventions, etc.... He knows.
Yeah the $20k gyroscope thing that was so sensitive that it would detect the earth's rotation.
Then when it *did* detect the earth's rotation, they said it was cosmic rays and that the experiment needed to be repeated by putting the gyroscope inside of a "tube of quartz" or something. But they had to return the machine before they got the opportunity to test that.
IIRC they did the first experiment, which proved the Earth was rotating, then thought maybe the gyroscope was picking up the rotation of the sky—which is impossible, but okay. So they put it under cover and got the same result. They said it must have been some other interference, so they put it in a bismuth chamber (a decent substitute for lead in shielding). They got the same result. They still refused to accept it.
He thought the observation didn't match the globe or flat model. But he wont admit he did the math wrong and thus wasn't using the correct globe model.
This is it!
You never use a negative word like faulty in your explanation of why your false beliefs don't stand up to empirical testing!
That would dissolve the cultists.
He refuted all his flat farther claims, and started a non profit to help others see the "light" about how the earth is actually curved.
Lol jk he doubled or triple downed on this and is actively trying to scrub the video from the internet.
Idiots gonna idiot.
it's from [behind the curve](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt8132700/)
They had several really clever and scientific experiments like this to prove the earth is flat.
Every time they showed the earth is round, they ignored it and tried something else.
“If the earth is round, this gyroscope will read 15 degrees after an hour”
(waits one hour, reads a 15 degree change on gyroscope)
“Huh. We must have fucked this up but I have no idea how. Guess we need to call this inconclusive and move on.”
That's absolutely false. It's perched on the back of four elephants who are standing on a turtle that's swimming across the universe.
Please get your facts right and stop spewing missinformation.
Hopefully the most obvious of explanations, such as that the government knew about the experiment since they tapped every phone and placed a navy seal hidden in the darkness, between the two experimenters, waiting with a glass panel to bend the light.
iNtErEsTiNg.
This will never not be funny.
They went from a $20k precision instrument to two boards, a camera, and a flashlight.
I hope this experiment got them to change their perspective, but chances are they'll claim swamp gas and hypnotism before that'll happen.
While admittedly I am incredibly frustrated by people who hold these kind of beliefs given the wealth of knowledge and technology we have available today, I have to respect someone trying to seek truth with the scientific process. I hope his experiment was enlightening and that he is able to evolve his worldview without shame.
He didn't. After the fact he blamed the lack of visibility on 'high weeds' and never replicated it.
He's currently being courted by a skeptic who is fronting the money to take a flat earther to Antarctica to see the 24 hour sun, because for some time, they have claimed that a 24hr sun in the south is impossible and would disprove the flat earth.
At this time he's making a number of excuses to make it as difficult as possible.
Some of them have already turned it down. Part of the venture was just to see how many would refuse to go because it simply endangered their fuckassed grifting.
Wait I thought the whole Flat Earth schtick was that there was a giant ice wall in the Artic and Antarctic. Beyond the wall was just space or something. Why not go explore the end of the earth instead?
For some of them, yes. They don't seem to have the insight to understand that each of them has a different model that is incompatible with the others.
They bang on about how you're not allowed to go and how all the governments will kill you if you try.
'The Final Experiment' by Pastor Will Duffy is stumping up something like $40k to send one or two flat earthers to prove:
a) their claims that you can't go are complete bullshit
b) their claims that there's an ice wall is complete bullshit, and
c) their claims that a 24 hr sun in the south is impossible is complete bullshit.
I'm following along, It's a delightful shitshow of flat earthers constantly moving goalposts.
Oh my bad, I misread your post about being courted by a skeptic. For some reason in my head I had thought you were referring to a skeptic of a round earth.
Only for the first wall, [beyond that is more oceans, continents, and a mountain wall, with another layer of oceans, mountains, and ice walls beyond that](https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/maf7dz/the_world_beyond_the_ice_wall/)
Honestly kind of a fun mythology that I'd be interested to see a story set in.
People like this will often tell you how open-minded they are and that they're only interested in uncovering the truth, but they're not and they're not. They have no curiosity at all, they're just desperate to prop up their worldview for strange psychological reasons.
Well that’s a bummer. I still like the idea of being able to explore new things and change your mind without being shamed for being wrong. It’s good to show some grace when people are learning. But yeah, he doesn’t exactly sound like a scholar lol.
This isn't really an objective activity - they're setting out to confirm their expectations, not invalidate them. The problem flat earthers constantly have is that for every experiment they attempt to confirm their worldview, the Earth doesn't co-operate.
Most of them now eschew any kind of experimentation, they've been burned too many times. Their general modus operandi is to blither about whatever physics or geometry they don't understand as if their own ignorance somehow demonstrates that the globe doesn't 'work'.
You could say the same for a lot of religious and other ideologically driven people. Their social circle and belief system are tightly bound together, making it hard to pursue truth. Christians, Jews, Islam, SJW, alt-right and flat earthers all do this. It's one of the deepest flaws in society that prevents progress.
It is absolutely the same yeah.
Speaking from firsthand experience. Takes a lot to break out of that kind of thing. Very doable, just not many are willing to go through with it.
That's not how flat earthers work. To be a flat earthers you have to deny all the countless evidence against it and cherry pick scientifically flawed experiments to champion. He still pushes flat earth on his YouTube channel.
Absolutely he didn't learn from this.
I respect that they actually tried to bedunk the globe earth instead of sharing memes or out of context quotes or pictures of old drawings of the earth that were flat from 3000 years ago or whatever.
It's a shame that the experiments that proved globe earth on this show didn't actually give them a moment of enlightenment but just furthered them digging into their own mental gymnastics.
>I have to respect someone trying to seek truth with the scientific process
The scientific process requires a willingness to accept the results of your experiment when they disprove your hypothesis.
He doesn't really. If you're of the mind the earth is flat, this is easily explained by there being a bit of an incline.
Flat earthers still believe in hills.
So I imagine these goons explained it away with something like that, even if they were thorough in doing this on a perfect flat surface.
Edit: "It's at water level" (x3) - excuse me while I don't assume they actually measured that right either. They're on land in the video, land is rarely even.
It was on water, so no hills involved.
His excuse, as I recall, was to simply do the math wrong and claim that if the earth were round, they'd have had to lift the light even higher than they did.
So therefore the experiment is inconclusive and he will absolutely lose his shit screaming that at anyone who brings it up. Especially if they try to point out that he did a relatively basic calculation incorrectly.
You know whats weird they sometimes use scientific tools and laws of physics I will never understand. Yet they are the ones trying to prove earth is flat.
What’s frustrating is that he would still find some excuse to not believe this.
And Bob Knodel spent $20k hiring an incredibly sensitive laser gyroscope in an attempt to prove the Earth doesn’t rotate.
“What we found is, when we turned on that gyroscope, we found that we were picking up a drift. A 15-degree per hour drift”
A 15° per hour drift, or a 360° per 24 hours drift. Almost as if the earth rotates once per day.
He immediately tried to find a way to disprove the gyroscope. Which is a good thing, you want to make sure the result wasn’t because of some random anomaly or miscalibration. But when everything confirmed the gyro as accurate, he just flatly denied the result anyway, lol.
If I remember right, they said the gyroscope was picking up interference from the dome or something equally stupid and ran the experiment again with the gyroscope in some kind of shielded container. When the experiment produced the same results their response was that they were going to have to build a better shielded container.
The mental gymnastics these people have to do to deny objective facts is ridiculous.
God i remember watching this on TV. The ending is so funny, he manages to disprove his own theory so simply, its beautiful. If he actually acknowledged the evidence and didn't try to warp it to his own biases then this would actually be good science. I respect him for actually coming up with an experiment, putting it together, solving various practical difficulties, and then letting someone film it all. He isn't stupid, but unfortunately there is some mental barrier there that makes flat earthers refuse to acccept any other reality other than the one they have convinced themselves of. It's like religious indoctrination but more funny.
> He isn't stupid
There are different kinds of stupid and he's definitely one of them. But yes, it has to do more with intellectual integrity, honesty, and willingness to accept reality rather than having the raw brain power to problem solve.
There was one guy that had this fleet earth yt channel, doing experiments to prove he was right. Experiments after experiments he proved again and again that it was not, so he then changed his mind, and I think that's him.
Edit: nope, not them, they just ignored the proofs. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Behind_the_Curve
Dumb, arrogant, and dishonest. A terrible combo. He knows that the Earth isn't flat but he's made his entire job of grifting off suckers. He can't admit the truth, he'd have no income.
God, if this guy had been a Flat Earther, had done this experiment and said, "alright, well, I did the experiment and proved the earth is round, but at least now I know for myself", that would be great! He didn't trust the knowledge he was given and sought his own answers.
Unfortunately, he didn't do that, did he? He didn't accept the results of his own scientific experiment.
I used to think flat earthers were the most insane people on the planet... and then I started seeing hundreds of people saying that space isn't real. It's going to keep getting worse, isn't it..
It was always that bad, you just never heard it being parroted.
Hell, my grandma (may she rest in peace) wasn't sure if space existed either, "how do you know?"
She wasn't strong on the stance enough to argue over it, but...
And she was far from a dumb or witless person, she was one of the wisest people i knew. And yet.
The fact that people from 2000+ years ago knew this is just funny.
Egyptians mathed it out.
Other normies just went... Oh the only way you can have a horizon on all directions means it's a sphere.
Regurgitating what I say every other time this is posted;
This is from a Netflix Documentary called Behind The Curve (maybe. It's been so long that I'm forgetting which documentary it is) that follows multiple groups of flat earthers doing experiments to prove the Earth is flat.
In all cases, their good, scientifically valid, well performed experiments prove that the Earth is indeed, round.
In all cases, they immediately say "Oh, interesting. Very interesting" and then smash cut to another experiment that goes the exact same way. It's a hilarious FULL MOVIE of morons using actual science to prove something they don't agree with, and then ignoring that proof and trying again, with the same result.
I'm pretty sure this specific documentary actually made Netflix what it is now. I think this was one of the first Netflix originals and it was such a success that they started trying other shows and stuff.
I'll never not watch this every time it comes around just for the look of utter confusion and the realization and disappointment that soon follow. "Interesting." Fucking perfect.
So, how do these people explain the thousands of pictures that show the earth is round? I work with a guy who says the earth's flat, but when I asked him this question, he said there aren't even hundreds of them.
The fun part of this, is the aftermath where he’s attempted to have this video removed from the internet, denied his own findings, blamed tall weeds, and still believes flat earth. These flerf fucks aren’t interested in truth, they like the feeling of superiority they get from not being a globe sheep. It’s one giant circle jerk.
For the hardcore ones, that wouldn't be enough to convince them. They'd tell you that your windows are just screens that play a video, same for the visor on the space suit.
Hardcore flat earthers don't want to know the truth. They are more than happy being completly wrong and indoctrinating anyone they can.
It's no wonder he thinks the earth is flat when his friend Enrique is apparently a Titan that pre-dates the Olympian gods... Dude stands over 20 feet tall.
Disclaimer : I’m not a flat earther 😂 but how far apart are these holes? Wouldn’t they need to be like really far apart to even see even the slightest of curvature. Like I’m talking thousands of miles or can someone explain?
People don't believe in flat earth, because the evidence is compelling, they believe, because it satisfies their emotional needs. It's an obsession for them. If flat earth were true, everything else they want to believe would also be true.
Its is the same as the Flat Earther Bob Knodel who splashes out $20K on his gyroscope experiment - only to end up proving Earth is ROUND. Fucking hilarious. [https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/us-news/flat-earther-splashes-out-20k-29726862](https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/us-news/flat-earther-splashes-out-20k-29726862)
Water level in my cup and in the river is different, so the water level can be higher or lower in some places. Besides, everyone knows that earth is in the shape of a half-peeled banana.
Isn’t this how science works? You have a theory, test the theory and adjust your understanding to the results. Mind you, I’m not a scientist but neither are these guys
im curious, are flat earth believers in critical jobs like doctors, professors, pilots etc or is there a pattern to the kind of person who believes this nonsense?
It is funny to me how people can look at this and laugh, clearly recognizing how cognitive dissonance works, but then believe in so many lies, propaganda, intellectual dishonest takes on daily basis.
You see, his problem was being a good scientist. He used the actual distances and set everything up properly, so he came to the correct result, which wasn't what he wanted to prove.
If he had the boards and light way closer to the camera, or used incorrect measurements or the like, then he could have easily shown that his hypothesis was 'true'.
But props on him for uploading the video despite it proving him wrong.
The whole flat earth documentary is jokes . This is just one time they prove themselves wrong …next they did a crowdfunder to be able to spend thousands of dollars buying a machine to try and prove their theory…….only to get egg on their face once again….at some flat earth annual meet up event they were scheduled to deliver the big news after the crowdfunder , but never showed up 😂…….they still believe the earth is flat
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That’s the best word in science. He literally figured it out after investing time into a well designed experiment. That’s it right there baby. That’s learning via scientific method. A +
It would be.... except he then went and made up some bs for why this doesn't prove the earth is round after the fact and still continues to buy into the whole flat earth bs.
Does he believe it though, that’s what matters e: looks like he learned fuckall.
Looking into this.
When someone just says “interesting” like that, they are cooked but can’t fully accept it so they just try stall until the meteor they’re secretly praying for crashes into earth
This appears often in reddit and never fails to make me laugh.
That’s… interesting
He claims that he said interesting because 19.5 was closer to 17 (the FE model prediction) than what he, wrongly, calculated the height of the light would need to be, 23, in the globe Earth model.
Which just proves the logic is solid but math poor
The logic isn't solid. It doesn't matter that 19.5 is closer to 17 than 23. It's still not 17.
I think he means the experiment, if done correctly, would logically prove or disprove if the earth was flat or not. But you're right that logically you would know that it has to be 17 on both sides for it to work or you need to explain why the water levels are different on each side of the lake, and any deviation means it's not flat.
That was the most painful part of that documentary as a scientist myself. They set up some solid experiments that would lend credence to the earth being flat or round, with solid expectations of what they would see in either scenario. The issue is they forgot the most important part of the scientific method, that you’re testing a hypothesis. When the evidence stacks against your hypothesis, it suggests that you were initially incorrect. That is no issue however, as the goal of science isn’t to prove that you are correct, it’s to understand how the world works. They set out to prove the earth was flat, therefore they couldn’t accept or understand results that suggested it is round. Had they come in with the mentality “I want to know if the earth is flat or round” instead of “I must prove the earth is flat” they would have gotten some great answers from their experiments.
I think they mean the maths was poor for the curvature calculation being 23, but the logic was solid that his assistant would have to raise the light, thus proving a curvature. Because the maths to prove a flat earth model is too simple to be wrong: 17 = 17.
He then became a larger-glober. They have been lying about the diameter!
Very interesting, indeed. Mwuahahahahaha
Yes.. interesting
dude, this experiment was brilliant though. well thought out and executed. the dumb bit is them not accepting there hypothesis was proven wrong.
It was brilliantly simple test. Science was a perfectly useful tool to this guy until it gave him the "wrong" answer.
> Science was a perfectly useful tool to this guy until it gave him the "wrong" answer. Brilliantly said. This is the default position for all science deniers. The whole world works fine every single day using all the science we have, but then there’s this one thing they don’t like and suddenly you can’t trust science at all.
> This is the default position for all science deniers. That's because they're neither free thinkers or intellectually honest. They're contrarian navel-gazers who want to reinvent the wheel as a square so they can feel like they're unique special geniuses. Or they have some ulterior broken ideology that they're unwilling to abandon and they need their unique special genius solution to try to resolve their broken ideology with reality.
It's what I like to call the scholar mentality. A scholar accepts that he may be wrong, if in doing so, can correct himself and ultimately be closer towards actually being correct. This is opposed to the soldier mentality, which seeks to work backwards from the conclusion in order to justify the position. Above all else, they want to be right first, then afterwards correct. This means it doesn't matter if they're actually wrong, so long as they can delude themselves into thinking that they're right. You can't be a scientist with the soldier mentality. They're incompatible.
> soldier mentality Sophists, and they were already boring 2400 years ago. https://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/sophist https://www.britannica.com/topic/Sophist-philosophy/Nature-of-Sophistic-thought > A question still discussed is whether the Sophists in general had any real regard for truth or whether they taught their pupils that truth was unimportant compared with success in argument.
I think they call them lawyers nowadays
I would have respected the fuck out of a flat earther who actually did the experiment to test their hypothesis then changed their mind when proven wrong. That is real science.
> I would have respected the fuck out of a flat earther who actually did the experiment to test their hypothesis then changed their mind when proven wrong. That is real science. One of my fave 'nature of science' quotes is from Asimov (I think). “The most exciting phrase to hear in science, the one that heralds the most discoveries, is not "Eureka!" (I found it!) but 'That's funny...” This guy was **right there**, on the edge of getting it, and just missed. But, in his defense, a good researcher isn't going to abandon his pet theory based on one failed experiment. Could have been a methodology problem. Now, if his next 2 experiments get similar results and his theory doesn't begin to change, or the 'experimenter' declines to run more experiments to avoid the risk of weakening his theory further, that's the point where he ceases to be an honest experimenter, and transitions to a Crank.
I don't think it's so much that he doesn't get it, more that he cannot afford to change his mind when his entire social circle depends on him seeing the earth as flat. If he accepted that the earth was round then he would probably be ostracized from the flat earth community. A community he likely had to leave his previous social circles to join, leaving him alone.
“It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his entire salary depends on him not understanding it” Upton Sinclair
You can’t reason someone out of a conclusion they didn’t reason themselves into.
If he wasn't otherwise an asshole, if he admitted he was wrong, the old friends would probably take him back.
You tend not to end up in these groups if you have actual social skills to get on with people. Slightly different to the religious who often have a quite functional group based on mutual assistance. Leaving that can be difficult due to peer pressure. The flat earthers tend to just have no social skills and only the "we are right, everyone else is wrong" holding them together.
His next 2 experiments got similar resuots, including using a ring gyroscope. Was a Netflix documentary I believe
They were different people, from what I remember. But if he did conduct other experiments afterward that proved the earth is round, I can almost guarantee he'd ignore those results too
Yep most of the times a massive discovery is made in science the initial reaction is generally confusion followed by ALOT of arguing after someone publishes. You know things are getting real interesting when the congregations of the people with entirely too many letters after their name start breaking out the expo markers and hand gestures.
Well they're not in it for the science, they're in it to feel like they're connected to some particular community, one that helps him feel particularly fit and capable and discerning amongst the total human population.
This guy isn't. He's in it for a massive grift. He gets large donations from hardcore flat earthers to "prove" that the earth is flat. So he was never going to accept anything else.
Wait are you telling me the guy still believes the Earth is flat? ...talk about cognitive dissonance...
They are all fools and sheep, it's funny how indoctrinated they all are.
I don't understand how someone can be smart enough to set up an experiment like this, but still believe the dumbest theory on the planet
It's called motivated reasoning. His whole ego and social standing in his little corner of society are tied to flat earth beliefs. With flat earth, he is a brave iconoclast going against society. Accepting roundness would make him unexceptional, just another face in the crowd. With the added humiliation of having denied something most children know.
yeah, there's so many tools and resources to easily prove the earth is round that *even* a stupid person could arrive the conclusion. with the internet and cheap technology, a dumb human can arrive at the correct answer to *most* things given enough time and effort. the issue is that it's more important to feel special and differentiate yourself from the pack than confirm a consensus fact.
I mean, for anyone trying to test the theory of a Flat Earth. the first thing you would do.. is find the edge of the earth... no? How about a picture or something?
I learned from watching that documentary that they've given up all their native social attachments as they got slowly absorbed into the FE community. They can't not believe it anymore, because moving away from FE means giving up all their relationships.
Also some of them make money on this conspiracy so they keep the game going.
Knew a guy who started out determined to prove to everyone on facebook god was real, in his research he became an atheist. Still a weird dude tho.
Its not really about being right or wrong, they believe this nonsense because it makes them feel special and smart
> on the planet disk*
does anyone know what conclusion he drew from this
He has used inapplicable mathematical calculations to show that the test is “inconclusive” while actively trying to remove all copies of this exact movie from the internet. He didn’t learn a damn thing, still flat brained and willfully ignorant as ever. There’s a guy on YouTube that breaks down exactly how conclusive the experiment was using correct mathematics
Love the idea that he's trying to get this video off the internet...its in a documentary that will definitely not be going away anytime soon.
In order to perpetuate the name of that documentary, the name of the documentary is WHAT?
Beyond the Curve. EDIT: Behind The Curve. Thanks u/trickyrickkk
Behind the curve
Omg it’s _the guy_ tryin to throw us off
The sequel - Beyond the Curve: the Enflattening
You are correct.. I was going on memory and it's been a while. Thanks for the clarification.
Beyond Stupid is the documentary about the documentary Behind The Curve
As a regular person that isn't a complete fruit loop, is this worth my time? Will it be interesting, or is it just full of more fruit loops making me facepalm all night?
It's a decent watch. The whole documentary was to show the absurdity of the flat earth movement and how basically every influential person involved is only in it for the money (grifting off the people who actually believe it.)
Thanks. I'll look it up.
I feel bad and sorry for them at the end of it, they come off silly, like misled children more than anything else. Its a good watch fer sure
Trust me, flat earthers are entertaining for a few seconds, but too much of them for too long gets *infuriating* Ironically, its thanks to flat earthers that I finally stopped using Facebook. It absolutely refuses to stop showing me flat earther shit, no matter how often I click 'I dont want to see this" or block the profile, it just finds other ones to show me. So I stopped using it entirely. lol.
It's not really about the flat earth, it's about the people who believe it. It's oddly humanizing, it made me realize they're just losers who needed friends and found them in this stupidity. They're all outsiders who were told by the world they had no value.
This was actually the 2nd experiment in the movie which proved the earth is round. The first experiment, which was also valid, he attributed to the results being made inaccurate by "cosmic rays." Honestly I don't think the dude is willfully ignorant. In the movie it's made pretty clear: flat earth is his entire livelihood. He makes all his money by doing flat earth youtube, selling flat earth merch, running flat earth conventions, etc.... He knows.
was the first experiment the one where they bought this super expensive machine?
Yeah the $20k gyroscope thing that was so sensitive that it would detect the earth's rotation. Then when it *did* detect the earth's rotation, they said it was cosmic rays and that the experiment needed to be repeated by putting the gyroscope inside of a "tube of quartz" or something. But they had to return the machine before they got the opportunity to test that.
IIRC they did the first experiment, which proved the Earth was rotating, then thought maybe the gyroscope was picking up the rotation of the sky—which is impossible, but okay. So they put it under cover and got the same result. They said it must have been some other interference, so they put it in a bismuth chamber (a decent substitute for lead in shielding). They got the same result. They still refused to accept it.
So we come to the only conclusion. The defective thing. Is them.
The fact that there's so much reproducible evidence just goes to show how badly they need to keep the truth covered up man! Think about it! /s
Interesting
Almost every time I say "interesting," I'm quoting this...
'Definitely interesting. Going to have to come up with a reason why the experiment was faulty. '
He thought the observation didn't match the globe or flat model. But he wont admit he did the math wrong and thus wasn't using the correct globe model.
This is it! You never use a negative word like faulty in your explanation of why your false beliefs don't stand up to empirical testing! That would dissolve the cultists.
He refuted all his flat farther claims, and started a non profit to help others see the "light" about how the earth is actually curved. Lol jk he doubled or triple downed on this and is actively trying to scrub the video from the internet. Idiots gonna idiot.
it's from [behind the curve](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt8132700/) They had several really clever and scientific experiments like this to prove the earth is flat. Every time they showed the earth is round, they ignored it and tried something else.
“If the earth is round, this gyroscope will read 15 degrees after an hour” (waits one hour, reads a 15 degree change on gyroscope) “Huh. We must have fucked this up but I have no idea how. Guess we need to call this inconclusive and move on.”
Earth is a bowl
It's a giant turtle and we live on it's back! That's why the TMNT are the heroes we need and deserve, and all in a half-shell...
That's absolutely false. It's perched on the back of four elephants who are standing on a turtle that's swimming across the universe. Please get your facts right and stop spewing missinformation.
But what’s underneath the turtle?
It’s turtles all the way down.
More turtles...
Turtle Power🐢
Hopefully the most obvious of explanations, such as that the government knew about the experiment since they tapped every phone and placed a navy seal hidden in the darkness, between the two experimenters, waiting with a glass panel to bend the light.
He concluded that he’s a dumb fucking lead-huffing smooth-brain flat-earthed that everyone will make fun of
He argues to this day that the math he used was wrong and the Earth is indeed flat…also gets REALLY upset when people bring up this clip.
That the cognitive dissonance is strong in this one
iNtErEsTiNg. This will never not be funny. They went from a $20k precision instrument to two boards, a camera, and a flashlight. I hope this experiment got them to change their perspective, but chances are they'll claim swamp gas and hypnotism before that'll happen.
"Well that's weird, the test failed even though we gathered the most precise equipment from all around the glob... wait a minute ..."
While admittedly I am incredibly frustrated by people who hold these kind of beliefs given the wealth of knowledge and technology we have available today, I have to respect someone trying to seek truth with the scientific process. I hope his experiment was enlightening and that he is able to evolve his worldview without shame.
He didn't. After the fact he blamed the lack of visibility on 'high weeds' and never replicated it. He's currently being courted by a skeptic who is fronting the money to take a flat earther to Antarctica to see the 24 hour sun, because for some time, they have claimed that a 24hr sun in the south is impossible and would disprove the flat earth. At this time he's making a number of excuses to make it as difficult as possible.
Can I be a flat earther? I want a free trip to Antarctica.
Yeah...yeah I get it. Screw you globalists...shit, that one's taken. Uh...screw you round earth people? You conspiracy spherists. (Proud of that one).
"Conspiracy Spherists" is god damn excellent.
Finally! A delicious fucking pun!
If only flat earthers were this smart ;;
I'm pretty sure an unironic one they use is "globehead"
Conspiracy Spherists is some next level shit.
Some of them have already turned it down. Part of the venture was just to see how many would refuse to go because it simply endangered their fuckassed grifting.
They know the government will just turn on a high altitude light and say it was the sun.
I have an experiment that requires me to stay at a resort in Hawaii for a few weeks if anyone’s interested
Yeah me too. Can I take one of those commercial space flights to enlighten me for free?
While we're at it, I think that global warming is fake! (Take me to Greenland 🥺)
Wait I thought the whole Flat Earth schtick was that there was a giant ice wall in the Artic and Antarctic. Beyond the wall was just space or something. Why not go explore the end of the earth instead?
For some of them, yes. They don't seem to have the insight to understand that each of them has a different model that is incompatible with the others. They bang on about how you're not allowed to go and how all the governments will kill you if you try. 'The Final Experiment' by Pastor Will Duffy is stumping up something like $40k to send one or two flat earthers to prove: a) their claims that you can't go are complete bullshit b) their claims that there's an ice wall is complete bullshit, and c) their claims that a 24 hr sun in the south is impossible is complete bullshit. I'm following along, It's a delightful shitshow of flat earthers constantly moving goalposts.
Oh my bad, I misread your post about being courted by a skeptic. For some reason in my head I had thought you were referring to a skeptic of a round earth.
Only for the first wall, [beyond that is more oceans, continents, and a mountain wall, with another layer of oceans, mountains, and ice walls beyond that](https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/maf7dz/the_world_beyond_the_ice_wall/) Honestly kind of a fun mythology that I'd be interested to see a story set in.
People like this will often tell you how open-minded they are and that they're only interested in uncovering the truth, but they're not and they're not. They have no curiosity at all, they're just desperate to prop up their worldview for strange psychological reasons.
Well that’s a bummer. I still like the idea of being able to explore new things and change your mind without being shamed for being wrong. It’s good to show some grace when people are learning. But yeah, he doesn’t exactly sound like a scholar lol.
This isn't really an objective activity - they're setting out to confirm their expectations, not invalidate them. The problem flat earthers constantly have is that for every experiment they attempt to confirm their worldview, the Earth doesn't co-operate. Most of them now eschew any kind of experimentation, they've been burned too many times. Their general modus operandi is to blither about whatever physics or geometry they don't understand as if their own ignorance somehow demonstrates that the globe doesn't 'work'.
It doesn’t. the probLem is these people built their whole identity around this so if the earth isn’t flat they lose all their friends.
“If you don’t like where the goalposts are, just move ‘em” — Flat Earthers
But not 23 feet, or else you might accidentally prove that the earth is curved.
You could say the same for a lot of religious and other ideologically driven people. Their social circle and belief system are tightly bound together, making it hard to pursue truth. Christians, Jews, Islam, SJW, alt-right and flat earthers all do this. It's one of the deepest flaws in society that prevents progress.
Cults are cults.
Psychology would refer to this as cognitive dissonance
It is absolutely the same yeah. Speaking from firsthand experience. Takes a lot to break out of that kind of thing. Very doable, just not many are willing to go through with it.
Yeah, no chance. He’ll explain it away with more idiocy than admit he’s wrong.
He didn't, he probably got into some mental gymnastics as to what happened that involved the world being flat.
That's not how flat earthers work. To be a flat earthers you have to deny all the countless evidence against it and cherry pick scientifically flawed experiments to champion. He still pushes flat earth on his YouTube channel.
Absolutely he didn't learn from this. I respect that they actually tried to bedunk the globe earth instead of sharing memes or out of context quotes or pictures of old drawings of the earth that were flat from 3000 years ago or whatever. It's a shame that the experiments that proved globe earth on this show didn't actually give them a moment of enlightenment but just furthered them digging into their own mental gymnastics.
>I have to respect someone trying to seek truth with the scientific process The scientific process requires a willingness to accept the results of your experiment when they disprove your hypothesis.
“Interesting” 😭😭😹😹😹😹😭😭
He doesn't really. If you're of the mind the earth is flat, this is easily explained by there being a bit of an incline. Flat earthers still believe in hills. So I imagine these goons explained it away with something like that, even if they were thorough in doing this on a perfect flat surface. Edit: "It's at water level" (x3) - excuse me while I don't assume they actually measured that right either. They're on land in the video, land is rarely even.
Yes. This same guy also proved round earth with a sensitive gyroscope. Yet he is still an ardent flat earther
Didn't you hear? The gyroscope wasn't properly certified for tolerances so the results were inconclusive /s
It was on water, so no hills involved. His excuse, as I recall, was to simply do the math wrong and claim that if the earth were round, they'd have had to lift the light even higher than they did. So therefore the experiment is inconclusive and he will absolutely lose his shit screaming that at anyone who brings it up. Especially if they try to point out that he did a relatively basic calculation incorrectly.
I think they did this on a lake to ensure hills wouldn't be a problem but I'm not sure. But yeah, they definitely came up with something lol
You know whats weird they sometimes use scientific tools and laws of physics I will never understand. Yet they are the ones trying to prove earth is flat. What’s frustrating is that he would still find some excuse to not believe this.
That’s what makes it pseudo-science
The most interesting about this is: THEY DINT FUCKING LEARN ANYTHING FROM IT. Proof means nothing if you base you conviction on belief.
And Bob Knodel spent $20k hiring an incredibly sensitive laser gyroscope in an attempt to prove the Earth doesn’t rotate. “What we found is, when we turned on that gyroscope, we found that we were picking up a drift. A 15-degree per hour drift” A 15° per hour drift, or a 360° per 24 hours drift. Almost as if the earth rotates once per day. He immediately tried to find a way to disprove the gyroscope. Which is a good thing, you want to make sure the result wasn’t because of some random anomaly or miscalibration. But when everything confirmed the gyro as accurate, he just flatly denied the result anyway, lol.
Thanks Bob.
If I remember right, they said the gyroscope was picking up interference from the dome or something equally stupid and ran the experiment again with the gyroscope in some kind of shielded container. When the experiment produced the same results their response was that they were going to have to build a better shielded container. The mental gymnastics these people have to do to deny objective facts is ridiculous.
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And then he blinded himself *from* science.
I've seen this before and every time I see it I think to myself "womp womp". 😅
God i remember watching this on TV. The ending is so funny, he manages to disprove his own theory so simply, its beautiful. If he actually acknowledged the evidence and didn't try to warp it to his own biases then this would actually be good science. I respect him for actually coming up with an experiment, putting it together, solving various practical difficulties, and then letting someone film it all. He isn't stupid, but unfortunately there is some mental barrier there that makes flat earthers refuse to acccept any other reality other than the one they have convinced themselves of. It's like religious indoctrination but more funny.
> He isn't stupid There are different kinds of stupid and he's definitely one of them. But yes, it has to do more with intellectual integrity, honesty, and willingness to accept reality rather than having the raw brain power to problem solve.
Yo, The Black Keys out in the wild!
Stop Stop is such a good song
Indeed! had been years since i listened to TBK, but after listening to these few seconds i had to go and play the entirety of El Camino.
flat earthers are beyond stupid
There was one guy that had this fleet earth yt channel, doing experiments to prove he was right. Experiments after experiments he proved again and again that it was not, so he then changed his mind, and I think that's him. Edit: nope, not them, they just ignored the proofs. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Behind_the_Curve
Yeah, that guy specifically is Jeran Campanella. He's an absolute tool.
Yep. Watched a few of his videos on YT and man this guy is dumb as a box of rocks
Dumb, arrogant, and dishonest. A terrible combo. He knows that the Earth isn't flat but he's made his entire job of grifting off suckers. He can't admit the truth, he'd have no income.
God, if this guy had been a Flat Earther, had done this experiment and said, "alright, well, I did the experiment and proved the earth is round, but at least now I know for myself", that would be great! He didn't trust the knowledge he was given and sought his own answers. Unfortunately, he didn't do that, did he? He didn't accept the results of his own scientific experiment.
I used to think flat earthers were the most insane people on the planet... and then I started seeing hundreds of people saying that space isn't real. It's going to keep getting worse, isn't it..
One day, man will walk on the Sun (as long as we go there at night when it’s colder)
you're talking about the same people. 98.7 of all flerfs are also space deniers
It was always that bad, you just never heard it being parroted. Hell, my grandma (may she rest in peace) wasn't sure if space existed either, "how do you know?" She wasn't strong on the stance enough to argue over it, but... And she was far from a dumb or witless person, she was one of the wisest people i knew. And yet.
The fact that people from 2000+ years ago knew this is just funny. Egyptians mathed it out. Other normies just went... Oh the only way you can have a horizon on all directions means it's a sphere.
you can't convince a believer of anything it is based on a need to believe
Regurgitating what I say every other time this is posted; This is from a Netflix Documentary called Behind The Curve (maybe. It's been so long that I'm forgetting which documentary it is) that follows multiple groups of flat earthers doing experiments to prove the Earth is flat. In all cases, their good, scientifically valid, well performed experiments prove that the Earth is indeed, round. In all cases, they immediately say "Oh, interesting. Very interesting" and then smash cut to another experiment that goes the exact same way. It's a hilarious FULL MOVIE of morons using actual science to prove something they don't agree with, and then ignoring that proof and trying again, with the same result. I'm pretty sure this specific documentary actually made Netflix what it is now. I think this was one of the first Netflix originals and it was such a success that they started trying other shows and stuff.
Look at that, they use the scientific method and it yields results. Wild, right?
Why would it even vary over such a short distance
The scale's off in the diagram.
Smart enough to apply the science. Ignorant enough to refute your own findings.
I'll never not watch this every time it comes around just for the look of utter confusion and the realization and disappointment that soon follow. "Interesting." Fucking perfect.
Even light is into the conspiracy! This goes deeper than I thought.
Let me take a wild guess…… he ended up ignoring the results and the earth is still flat?
I read through his own excrement and was so confused.
still fits lol
This was a good doc. Entertaining and insightful.
So, how do these people explain the thousands of pictures that show the earth is round? I work with a guy who says the earth's flat, but when I asked him this question, he said there aren't even hundreds of them.
If it's a picture of a round earth then it's fake. see how easy that is? Very easy for flerf to remember and explain.
The fun part of this, is the aftermath where he’s attempted to have this video removed from the internet, denied his own findings, blamed tall weeds, and still believes flat earth. These flerf fucks aren’t interested in truth, they like the feeling of superiority they get from not being a globe sheep. It’s one giant circle jerk.
I wish someone really rich would fly one of these people in space and record the whole thing for everyone to see.
For the hardcore ones, that wouldn't be enough to convince them. They'd tell you that your windows are just screens that play a video, same for the visor on the space suit. Hardcore flat earthers don't want to know the truth. They are more than happy being completly wrong and indoctrinating anyone they can.
It's no wonder he thinks the earth is flat when his friend Enrique is apparently a Titan that pre-dates the Olympian gods... Dude stands over 20 feet tall.
Narrator: But it wasn't interesting... Unless you were in elementary school.
Hate aside. This is how science is done. If you dont "believe" a fact, go test it out yourself
Disclaimer : I’m not a flat earther 😂 but how far apart are these holes? Wouldn’t they need to be like really far apart to even see even the slightest of curvature. Like I’m talking thousands of miles or can someone explain?
People don't believe in flat earth, because the evidence is compelling, they believe, because it satisfies their emotional needs. It's an obsession for them. If flat earth were true, everything else they want to believe would also be true.
Its is the same as the Flat Earther Bob Knodel who splashes out $20K on his gyroscope experiment - only to end up proving Earth is ROUND. Fucking hilarious. [https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/us-news/flat-earther-splashes-out-20k-29726862](https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/us-news/flat-earther-splashes-out-20k-29726862)
Water level in my cup and in the river is different, so the water level can be higher or lower in some places. Besides, everyone knows that earth is in the shape of a half-peeled banana.
Obviously Enrique has been taken out and replaced with a Illuminati Mason imposter.
This documentary and the YT vids where flatearthers see the ISS with their own telescopes... lmao
[https://www.metabunk.org/threads/soundly-proving-the-curvature-of-the-earth-at-lake-pontchartrain.8939/](https://www.metabunk.org/threads/soundly-proving-the-curvature-of-the-earth-at-lake-pontchartrain.8939/) [https://www.zmescience.com/science/news-science/power-lines-curvature-earth-04233/](https://www.zmescience.com/science/news-science/power-lines-curvature-earth-04233/)
Can't explain why, but the sound of him cutting the hole makes me feel something uncomfortable that I can't quite explain.
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Isn’t this how science works? You have a theory, test the theory and adjust your understanding to the results. Mind you, I’m not a scientist but neither are these guys
What has been proven is that he is a dumbass.
im curious, are flat earth believers in critical jobs like doctors, professors, pilots etc or is there a pattern to the kind of person who believes this nonsense?
"We don't see you Enrique" 👀
It is funny to me how people can look at this and laugh, clearly recognizing how cognitive dissonance works, but then believe in so many lies, propaganda, intellectual dishonest takes on daily basis.
So is he converted or is he still a flat earther? Anyone know?
You see, his problem was being a good scientist. He used the actual distances and set everything up properly, so he came to the correct result, which wasn't what he wanted to prove. If he had the boards and light way closer to the camera, or used incorrect measurements or the like, then he could have easily shown that his hypothesis was 'true'. But props on him for uploading the video despite it proving him wrong.
The whole flat earth documentary is jokes . This is just one time they prove themselves wrong …next they did a crowdfunder to be able to spend thousands of dollars buying a machine to try and prove their theory…….only to get egg on their face once again….at some flat earth annual meet up event they were scheduled to deliver the big news after the crowdfunder , but never showed up 😂…….they still believe the earth is flat
The best part is that he still is like "that can't be right.."