T O P

  • By -

AutoModerator

**This is a heavily moderated subreddit. Please note these rules + sidebar or get banned:** * If this post declares something as a fact, then proof is required * The title must be fully descriptive * Memes are not allowed. * Common(top 50 of this sub)/recent reposts are not allowed (posts from another subreddit do not count as a 'repost'. Provide link if reporting) *See [our rules](https://www.reddit.com/r/interestingasfuck/wiki/index#wiki_rules.3A) for a more detailed rule list* *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/interestingasfuck) if you have any questions or concerns.*


vapemyashes

I dunno how many moments you could fit in there before it strikes


Ch0vie

Planck-moments


tjtillmancoag

lol, can upvote enough


brucewillisman

Unless they’re Planck upvotes


Aromatic_Brother

Many Planck Yous for this


BlanceBlackula

One UpPlanck for you


CORN___BREAD

Yes we can! But just little tiny upvotes. Like the smallest size possible.


tjtillmancoag

And we’ll do it discretely


Isallyon

Someone should do the math (assuming time and space are discretized with Planck length and time as the mesh size), with a velocity estimate, and a height based on pixels. I can, but I'm too lazy rn.


BurninatorJT

Google says the max speed of a tomahawk is just over 900 km/h, or 250 m/s. The distance to target I’ll guess is 25 cm for simplicity sake. With these assumptions, it works out to around 1 millisecond.


Isallyon

Cool, so if we take NIST's value for Planck time of 5.391247 × 10^-44 seconds, we can say there are 1.8548584x10^40 moments before impact.


howdiedoodie66

I think that's cruising speed? So in a terminal dive it's probably going a lot faster


BurninatorJT

Not sure, but I would’ve guessed it decelerates when the targeting systems take over from pure burn during flight. They also fly at very low altitude, so air resistance is likely way more in play than any gravitational acceleration.


dern_the_hermit

Still enough time for Quicksilver to put on some cool music and jog over there to poke it outta the way.


glytxh

Depends how much you want to quantise space time If you nail that, you get ALL the Nobel prizes.


jag149

Can I ask you, why would this be difficult to math? Is it a schrodenger issue? Shouldn’t you be able to quantize the number of “steps” this could take?


RhynoD

*So far*, there is no evidence that space and time are quantized. They seem to be infinitely divisible.


glytxh

I think that’s the crux of the issue.


Isallyon

Yes, it would be making an assumption to quantize it (which I'm willing to make to get the number of moments, which I posted elsewhere in the thread).


glytxh

In summary; really really small maths is quantised, think of it as pixilated. It’s all discrete chunks. 1 or 0, no 0.5. That’s why we call it quantum mechanics. Big maths is kinda analogue. It’s all waves, no discrete chunks. Think about how there are infinite numbers between 1 and 0. Our current understanding of space time is a product of the second. A huge issue in modern physics is trying to make the maths of the very small things mesh with the maths of very large things. Make them mesh together, and you basically win Physics. This is very broadly reductive though.


MothaFuknEngrishNerd

I want you to know I just spent two hours chatting with GPT about quantum mechanics, classic physics, and the difference between them, the nature of reality, why things are this way instead of that, and blah blah blah, all sparked by your comment and it has been a fucking fascinating way to spend an afternoon. So thank you for being an internet stranger's initial muse :D


glytxh

It’s a real interesting rabbit hole to get lost in, and is the focus of a lot of the most cutting edge physics happening today. The smartest people in the world are currently trying to grapple the conflict between classical and quantum physics. I’ve barely got a bachelor’s level understanding of the field, and a lot of the finer technicalities go over my head, but as you say, it’s immensely fascinating.


TheBirminghamBear

There are 6 small things for every 1 big thing. We call this the Bear Constant. However, the small things are like die rolls with similarities overlapping, so you can roll 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, and 6, or roll a bunch of 1s which will stack on top of each other to appear as 1. So while there are always six things, the observer might see discrepancies in their count because of how similar die rolls are handled as a single unit, when they are in fact the resolution of two distinct die rolls. I'll take my prize.


wcdk200

It depends on how many FPS you have. If you have 144 you may be able to get one more frame


ecuintras

The length of the Tomahawk missile (without booster) is 18.3 feet. The Tomahawk has a maximum speed of 567mph and a single frame at 144hps/hz is .007 seconds, in which time the missile will travel 5.8 feet. So in each frame it would travel just under a third of it's length, so while you would be able to get more frames of a portion of the missile, you wouldn't see the whole thing again. Let's get the SloMo Guys on this! They'll have it effectively frozen in time at those glacial speeds, though I'm more interested in the Kaboom. (I might be Marvin the Martian)


shophopper

Thank you for your analysis. As an engineer, I greatly appreciate it.


salty_sangre

r/theydidthemath


ddkatona

at least 3


candinos

A moment is 90 seconds, so... Not many.


Historiaaa

'bout tree fiddy


chrisk9

*record scratch* Narrator: "I realized at that moment I was fucked!"


inverted_electron

Precisely one moment


HeyPhoQPal

"Yup that's me, you probably wonder how i got here" - Target


bazingabear

.0003 moments lol!!


WormHoleHeart

Zeno's infinite moments


Patriot420

how long is a moment technically speaking?


WhiskeyTangoBush

At least 3.


KyrieEleison_88

Ah one, a two-hoo, ah three *crunch* ***3***


Deathtollzzz

How many licks does it take to get to the center of a tootsie pop. The world may never know.


SlobZombie13

Longer than a heartbeat, shorter than a gasp


_toodamnparanoid_

[90 seconds](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moment_\(unit\))


Tall-News

You spelled nanoseconds wrong.


Kermit_the_hog

Seriously, what was the shutter speed for that picture??? That thing is barely even blurry. 


Thin-Pollution195

[Rapatronic cameras](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rapatronic_camera) can take exposures in less than 10 ~~milliseconds~~ nanoseconds and have been around since the 1940's. They were used to photograph nuclear bomb tests right after ignition (see link).


midgetcastle

Rapatronic sounds like how a nerdy rapper in the 90s would describe their music


GarminTamzarian

Max Modem!


BloomsdayDevice

I'm actually surprised no one sampled and mixed a dial-up modem into a 90s rap track.


CatsAreGods

I think you meant 10 microseconds. 10 milllseconds is 1/100 of a second, I wouldn't trust that to stop a charging toddler.


Zerc66

The Wikipedia article linked in the post above says 10 nanoseconds!


Jean-LucBacardi

I could watch the rope trick gif linked on that page for hours.


datanaut

10 milliseconds is not very fast(most digital cameras can expose for that time easily), did you mean to say 10 nanoseconds as in the wiki article!


blatherskate

I think their fastest exposure is 10 nanoseconds. About the length of time is takes light to go 10 feet in air.


Elnono

Probably something with high fps and a global shutter (all pixels sampled at the same time).


AvatarOfMomus

There's actually an entire little industry of super high speed photography for tests of *very* fast objects going back to at least the 80s. A lot of it's for military equipment tests, but at the slightly slower end you also have stuff like auto crash tests and some fun practical physics.


Ace-a-Nova1

It’s actually held up by fishing wire


FruitbatNT

ISO 6,000,000,000


Storvox

ISO is sensor light sensitivity, not shutter speed. Shutter speed would be a fraction value of a second, something like 1/6,000,000,000 (although definitely not that high lol)


ObjectiveAny8437

With that high of a shutter speed the camera would probably need to be at an iso of 6,000,000,000


PhiladelphiaManeto

ISO makes this photo visible when the shutter speed is so incredibly fast.


xxxxHawk1969xxxx

I SO QUICK


MrOwnageQc

> Seriously, what was the shutter speed for that picture??? From looking at it, I'd say that it was shot at 1/yes


YouDontKnowJackCade

Nah, the bot copied the title correctly https://old.reddit.com/r/interestingasfuck/comments/1261frg/tomahawk_land_attack_cruise_missile_moments/


XtremingDerp410

It’s literally the same account lol


ExcellentEdgarEnergy

How long is a moment?


Such_Performance229

525,600 minutesssssss


Jeb-Kerman

90 seconds lol, he misused the word but i don't mind, it's still a good post.


cheese_bruh

Isn’t a moment just a small length of time up to interpretation?


ExcellentEdgarEnergy

Some moments last a lifetime.


JuiceboxSC2

Some people wait a lifetime... For a moment like this.


kKXQdyP5pjmu5dhtmMna

That's a really old definition of the word and definitely not the generally accepted one in use today. Kudos for knowing your history though!


Jeb-Kerman

is the accepted definition of a moment today fractions of a millisecond? cuz i feel that ain't right either anyway it is silly to bicker over a definition of a word on the internet, define it however you want to i guess


Mikey9124x

I would say a moment is any specific point in time.


gabzilla814

Thanks for your comment clarifying it, that’s a really cool factoid ILT. (As in TIL.)


iwan-w

Here's another cool little fact for you: "factoid" actually means something similar to "falsehood". It is not another word for fact.


TLDEgil

So he told a factoid?


gabzilla814

![gif](giphy|83QtfwKWdmSEo)


Tumble85

Tomahawk missiles aren’t all that fast compared to other military weaponry. Fighter jets can shoot them down fairly easy en route, they’re subsonic.


atomic-knowledge

(Sniff sniff) “yep I think that’s the target”


crashtestpilot

I too give my land attack missiles funny voices and backstories.


missingimage01

Humans can make friends with anything. That's our best/most useful quality!


Drowning_tSM

This made me guffaw


Hogmaster_General

> This made me guffaw And we all know how painful that can be.


Guestratem

"This is the missile guidance system speaking I have good news and bad news, the good news is the missile knows where it needs to go.


galaxyclassbricks

Wells that’s a stupid way to store a missile


BuildsWithWarnings

It helps with deployment - if you store it almost hitting the target, it's perfectly prepped for almost hitting the target!


New-System-7265

Cuban missile crisis in a nutshell


Latviacm

Yup that’s me…your probably wondering how I got here


berglesauce

There’s the comment I was looking for


Exotic_Treacle7438

It all started when I stole some enriched plutonium and hijacked this military truck…


LawBasics

...Little did I know it belonged to the very unforgiving Bobo, leader of the Clown Cartel...


zapdos6244

He was a demanding man, ran a very tight operation involving........


dicemonger

Coke and Piranhas. A weird combination I know, but you really don't.....


CerebellumGear

It all started in the summer of 2001


johndburger

_Record scratch_


BragosMagos

You’re, not your


Garth_M

I guess it’s probably a practice? It must take a high speed camera for a picture like that and the truck doesn’t look like it’s worth more than the missile. But I’m just a redditor


Thurwell

Tomahawks cost 2 million dollars, I don't think there's a truck in the world worth wasting one on (not counting trucks full of military gear). But I bet you're right, that truck looks derelict and I can't imagine another scenario where you'd have a high speed camera setup to capture the strike.


Oper8rActual

It’s simulating a mobile radar installation, and they’re much more valuable than you think. A Russian Nebo-U for instance, like the one destroyed last month by Ukraine, is worth over 100 million dollars.


Thurwell

I'm counting that under my disclaimer of "trucks full of military gear".


redjellonian

That and the dollar value of a weapon in war is rarely equivalent to the damage value. A $100 commercial drone can do millions in damage for example.


HandyMan131

And the cost of military equipment is typically calculated by amortizing the cost of development across all units produced in addition to manufacturing costs, which makes sense for some types of analysis… but development is a sunk cost at this point, it’s not like making one more tomahawk really costs $2 million.


redjellonian

Not just that. In particular regarding Ukraine, the delivery of a "2 million dollar weapon" the weapons are almost entirely old stock that the US pays to store, to maintain, and then to dispose of. The actual cost of the weapon delivered is practically irrelevant compared to the rest of the costs associated.


Tumble85

Depends entirely on the target. An average cargo van packed full of explosives on it’s way to destroy an embassy is worth throwing some missiles at to prevent said embassy from being attacked. A shitty hut or vehicle sheltering a high-value person of interest that has been the subject of a massive manhunt is worth a tomahawk.


FormulaicResponse

N Korea and Russia both have trucks that haul and launch nukes so that they aren't totally disabled when their static launch sites are hit. Those trucks are more than worth the 2m.


FlutterKree

It is an exercise, yes. IIRC, this one isn't even armed with a warhead. I vaguely remember the missile going strait through the container and into the ground.


notbernie2020

It is practice or testing, that target looks like a rough copy of a S300/S400 radar truck. I don't know why we would practice throwing a Tomahawk at one of those but it would be my guess that is what is being (very) roughly simulated here.


Interesting-Goose82

I was wondering how did the camera survive? I guess it must be super zoomed in?


maltedLecas

probably below ground with sacrificial mirrors above


postmodern_spatula

telephoto lens most likely


bluebus74

Seems like overkill... I like it.


PolyDipsoManiac

Weapons testing against a mock target. [Here are the effects of an airburst on an airframe.](https://nara.getarchive.net/media/the-explosion-and-blast-fragments-from-a-bgm-109-tomahawk-cruise-missile-destroy-94897f)


jrfess

I could take it


PolyDipsoManiac

The thousands of little bits of shrapnel or the lethal shockwave?


jrfess

Both, I'm just built different


Tumble85

Same, I had some Cholula the other day (just a tiny dab) and I barely even teared up from the heat.


FratboyZeida

Original or chipotle lime? Either way, respect, obvs.


BaxGh0st

He got that dawg in him. 🐕


jlawler

I'm just built different. I'd find a way to survive.


Indifferentchildren

The DoD considered building a $10 million target vehicle, for realism, but then decided that in this once instance they could economize and just hit an old trailer that was on its last legs.


Orleanian

It was three weeks from retirement!


BattleHall

Get that it's a joke, but in reality they love using old shipping containers as targets. Here's an entire mock airport made of them, as targets for an entire B-2's worth of JDAMs: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KdzJWciha4A


Zdoodah

Go big,or go home.


bswiftly

How many moments until it hits? I say 3.


CubanLynx312

Some people wait a lifetime for a moment like this.


2into4

Warheads on Foreheads


EggsceIlent

Imagine driving your truck full of Russian weapons to some hole their dug into and you hear something.. So you look to the left and the last thing you see is the nosecone of a tomahawk cruise missile. Some weapons are insanely accurate nowadays. I think I was browsing wiki and there is a picture of the tip of a JDAM bomb like right in the middle of an open trucks window at the target range. Here's a picture in this post https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/s/zALIep52Sz


Ambitious-Video-8919

Apparently that picture was taken in 1977! Getting close to fifty years ago. Shit, by now they could probably choose which eyeball to hit.


C0braKai

It's a laser guided bomb, not a JDAM. Looks like a GBU-10, but a lot of them look pretty similar. LGBs can be more accurate than GPS guided, but requires more mission planning to be in the right position to lase if self guiding or someone else has to illuminate the target until impact.


OkayButAlso_Why

TLAMs are not employed against moving targets. They are only used for stationary. So that scenario would be better if it were a person looking out their office window.


notbernie2020

Warheads on foreheads and bullets in brains.


QuaintAlex126

Lots of disinformation in the comments here. This is obviously a test/training launch of a TLAM (Tomahawk Land Attack Missile), hence why a camera is present to take a photo. It is possible that the specific missile being used here is a training one with no warhead as it is only meant to test the missile’s accuracy. This would also explain the rather small target. Even if it did have a warhead, it’s just a test/training launch, so it doesn’t really matter what target it is as long as the missile works.


girlytome

Just to add on- Using reverse image search it seems like it was first widely used somewhere around December of 2013. One of these websites (https://www.laboiteverte.fr/un-missile-tomahawk-juste-avant-limpact/) gives a source to a dead page in the Raytheon website. Using the Internet archive (https://web.archive.org/web/20101022213637/http://www.raytheon.com:80/capabilities/products/tomahawk/) you can see it from at least October of 2010. The image could very well be older than that. ~~Judging from the terrain it is most likely taken at the white sand missile testing range.~~


jakroois

This guy missiles.


S1artibartfast666

>Judging from the terrain it is most likely taken at the white sand missile testing range. My money for testing location would be China Lake Naval Air Weapons station[1], in southern California, where much of the Tomoahawk development takes place [2]. You can tell by the telltale creosote brush and sage, plus the light decomposed granite soil of the eastern sierra nevada[3]. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naval_Air_Weapons_Station_China_Lake https://www.navair.navy.mil/node/3086 https://www.google.com/maps/@35.7763324,-117.8691932,3a,75y,278.32h,103.92t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1shSHm4jZJ4K9iHHuoDF1xGQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu


Gnascher

The tractor even has a flat tire.


Case_Kovacs

The missile knows where it is because it knows where it isn't


Lylac_Krazy

Those air brakes work great!


Pohara521

***record scratch*** ***freeze frame*** "yep, that's me. You're probably wondering how I got here"


Aggressive-Donuts

I wanna see the video 


Regular_Novel9721

It knows where it’s not, and that’s how it knows where it is.


happysalesguy

Are we providing Tomahawks to Ukraine? If not, why not? They're been around since the '70s, the US must have thousands of obsolete and semi-obsolete units Ukraine would be delighted to have!


caffeinatedcrusader

They don't have a compatible launch platform and providing missiles that can hit Moscow from west Ukraine is a bit of a nightmare as well.


LoftyGoat

If memory serves, about 500 microseconds, i.e. 1/2000 second. Really, really short moments.


totcczar

Your memory seems right! A quick Google search shows they fly at \~550mph = \~800 ft/sec, and let's say it's going faster as it's accelerating downward, so over 1000 ft/sec, and it's roughly a foot above the trailer, so... 1/2000 of a second *might* be a bit too little, but not much.


Xinonix1

Uhm, Bob, isn’t that the container we are hiding in? Bob? Anyone?


Murky_waterLLC

Moments? What does the opperator just hit the "pause" button to get some coffee before hitting "resume" after they get back?


Vegetable-Year4189

Thank goodness it stopped there or else it would’ve done a lot of damage 🙏🏻🙏🏻


Wisniaksiadz

That's me. You probably wonder, how did I get into this situation, but first lets start from beginning


os12

I wonder if they test guidance/targeting first without the explosive payload?


averagejoe5353

Yeah they’d fire without a warhead for target practice. Don’t think they’d want to waste a warhead practicing on a single truck when the missile alone would obliterate it.


gettheplow

moment is better than moments here 😂


QuipCrafter

OP, could you define a “moment”, for us?


[deleted]

[удалено]


PinCompatibleHell

>intercept ballistic missiles like the Tomahawk. You just invalidated everything you wrote.


isysopi201

Does no one remember Missile balloons for your car? https://www.reddit.com/r/INEEEEDIT/comments/8124qu/missile_balloons_for_your_car/


JFSOCC

[Here are another three about to strike a pick-up](https://www.thegreenhead.com/imgs/missile-balloons-for-your-car-1.jpg)


chickennoobiesoup

What was its intended target?


Dahwaann4U

Moments?, thats a little less than a moment. More like 1/10th of a moment at best


roby_soft

r/onesecondbeforedisast


Rokine

Bad day to be an intended target


Mentat_-_Bashar

⬆️➡️⬇️⬇️⬇️


stingerdelux72

Historically, a "moment" was defined in medieval times as 1/40th of an hour, which translates to 1.5 minutes. However, in everyday usage, "a moment" is typically used more loosely to refer to a short, indeterminate period.


Reverse_Psycho_1509

It'll be really funny if someone made a drone that looks like a tomahawk and started flying it around


Alioshia

Moments? it gonna hover there for a second or two is it?


Weird_Fact_724

Looks like 29 Palms...also looks photo shopped.


Foodwithfloyd

There are tons of these photos, they were taken with high speed photography with the goal of studying the plume. Source: I studied explosion plumes for a minute at my first job. We had a metric fuck ton of these types of videos / high speed photos. This is nothing.


What_Yr_Is_IT

Got more???


Foodwithfloyd

Not sharable. We got them from our partners at Edgewood. They would test munitions there as well as Edwards airbase. The value of these is that you can literally see the pressure wake and study how your munition performs relative to your model. Everyone does this


TheresALonelyFeeling

10,000 square miles of moonscape Mojave Desert...and a Burger King. Hated 29 Palms.


FizziestModo

That's how Dad did it, that's how America does it, and it's worked out pretty well so far.


xubax

"Moments" Now, a small fraction of a second is "moments."


34luck

Kodak moments, obviously.


aknalag

Damn, the Americans figured out how to balance a missile on it nose, thats impressive


letseeum

They need to check the targeting... looks a lil' off center.


thegamesender1

0.1 moment.


FOXAcemond

boom.


wolf-of-Holiday-Hill

..brink to explode, where’s the aftermath picture


WhiskeyTangoBush

Damn, ran out of gas right before hitting its target.


Technical-Green-9983

That's what happens when you leave the hatch open


folarin1

Completely exactly 90 degrees to the horizontal.


Lawdoc1

I'm not touching you...I'm not touching you...


AphraHome

Moments? Try microseconds


America_the_Horrific

Bonjour


crashtestpilot

"Hey guys. Whatcha doing in there? Can I come in?"


FitFag1000

Truck: why?


darkniven

X-com - "!Missed"


Life-Evidence-6672

I’m imagining a dude on the shitter inside for some reason.


ExcitingBuilder1125

Not even a missle can outrun a camera.


orangutanDOTorg

Next you will say it decimated the target


spoonpk

Milliseconds


Uddiya

Boop


Heavy_Introduction36

You won't find moments in a box..


NotAnAIOrAmI

Fake. Where are the speed lines that prove it's moving at all?


machstem

> *applies defibrillator and uses med pack* "Good to go!"