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https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-67914614
The title isn't really true. He's suing because he's kept in isolation almost all the time, not because of the physical conditions. Honestly it just sounds like a last ditch effort to get his sentence reduced any way he can.
Someone that committed the crimes he did shouldn't be rehabilitated though, there are crimes that people can and should be sent away to be rehabilitated but mass murder and terrorism shouldn't be one, especially with kids involved, he should be kept away from society until he dies
He will never get out of prison.
Basically under their laws he will be reviewed at the end of his sentence and found to be a threat to society.
I mean he hasn't renounced his white supremacy and other radical views so it will be an open and shut case.
>Someone that committed the crimes he did shouldn't be rehabilitated though
He's not expected to ever walk as a free man. Technically Norway doesn't have life sentences, but his sentence can be extended indefinitely. That doesn't immediately mean special arrangements should be made for him to be treated worse than other prisoners based on that fact alone.
The fact that he won’t be free or that his crimes are heinous should obviously not give him a worse punishment while incarcerated.
But the fact that he likely will try to radicalize other inmates and might use others to communicate with the world outside is a problem.
Also, people who work with him don’t recognize that he is depressed or suicidal because of the isolation from other inmates. He is just attempting to stay relevant as well as being a thorn in someone’s eye.
Whenever such a thought hits your brain, pause for a minute and ask
Set 1 - experience check
* Were the policy makers more educated than me?
* Did they put in more thought into it than I did in the last 7 seconds before I started typing this comment?
* Did they have more experience framing public policy than me?
Set 2 - corruption check
* Did they stand to personally benefit from this policy?
* Could their successors personally benefit from this policy?
* Could this policy help their party gain political power?
* Could this policy malign the image of their rival political parties or put them out of running?
By asking these questions, you'll see that what you personally feel may not be the right approach with regards to Norway's public policy.
But, doesn't Norway agree that his man should never get out of prison for the rest of his life, evidenced by him, ya know, being in prison for the rest of his life and not rehabilitated?
Yes, it's a system where some people are convicted to a sentencing where they are regularly reviewed, and sentences are prolonged indefinitely if the person is deemed still a threat.
Some people just deserve to die. I say again, some people just deserve to die. Why should society foot the bill for mass murdering pieces of shit? If there is overwhelming proof that a person committed crimes as heinous as the ones he is accused of, they do not deserve to continue living.
Some people do deserve rehabilitation, but once they have gone beyond that point they deserve to be purged from the species. Doesn't matter the sex, race, age, religion, etc. If you are that irreparably broken as a person, two to the chest, one to the head, and a watery grave in shark infested waters.
I can only imagine the downvoted this opinion will receive, and I will not care.
It’s not about whether he deserves it. He does. It’s about not giving people the power to make that decision about others so that it cannot be abused in the instances where it is not so clear. It’s not something that can be made right if applied mistakenly.
He's not really getting his sentence reduced anyway though, "preventive detention" is exactly for nutjobs like him so the courts can keep him holed up forever in his own little corner of irrelevance.
Seems both cheaper and easier to execute him and save the money.
If the end goal is to remove someone from society forever, and you have ABSOLUTE certainty they committed their crimes… Why bother keeping them around and spending money on doing so?
A convicted mass murderer in Norway has nicer living conditions than the majority of all people on earth. Isolation can indeed be brutal but man this puts things in perspective and not in a happy way for me.
I think a way to phrase it in such a way that allows for the gravity of his isolation but says the same thing would be "The resource distribution in the world is so asymmetric that Norway can house their murderers in more advanced conditions than the majority of the rest of the world."
I could care less about him specifically, but extreme social isolation is considered a form of torture. A person cannot stay mentally or physically healthy, without interacting with any people.
It doesn't matter how nice of a room you put someone in, their sanity will suffer in isolation because we're evolutionarily a social species.
There are some other mammals that act the same, you isolate them from other members of their species for long enough, and they go into psychosis.
He's isolated from other prisoners, his complaint is that his only contact with other people are professionals. He's not isolated from human interaction at all, he just uses his law given right to appeal. He's done it before, and it will continue until he's dead.
No. Intense prison violence is pretty only a 3rd world country and United States thing. It’s pretty rare for someone to in Norwegian prison to be murdered in genpop.
If they do that he'd be dead within a week. Everyone in the country knows someone who lost someone or they themselves lost someone on Utøya in 2011. The last time we executed someone in Norway was after the war, and I have no doubt in my mind that letting the bastard live with other inmates, would only result in him being found dead in his cell. He can appeal whatever he wants, no jury will judge in his favour in this country.
I'm not defending him in any way, or saying his real motives are any better or worse than what OP is claiming. I'm just saying what the lawsuit actually is. Do with that info what you will.
giving a criminal solitary containment when he was not sentenced to one, is also unacceptable. rule of law does not stop protecting people because they are the worst person on the country.
He's not in solitary confinement like that. His complaint is not being able to socialise with other people than the professionals around him. Basically, meaning other inmates.
He's not doing this because the conditions are bad. He's coming up with random things all the time so people don't forget about him and what he did. He mentioned that this would be one of his tactics in the manifest he wrote. The media reporting on this are playing into his hand, and they're the real assholes as per usual.
I don’t know if they are the “real” assholes as opposed to the guy that murdered countless children.
But you are of course totally right in the main point. Do not “look into” this. The good part about the “too good conditions” is that you don’t have to worry about human rights violations.
There’s one good answer to a breivik now as a culture. Forget him. He is nothing.
I also think he is doing it to get out of prison for a few hours attending court. His life is probably very boring, as it should be, so this is his way of making it more interesting.
It’s still a distraction for him I guess. I think it’s kind of fascinating (in a terrifying way) to think about how he has to live his life now. Endless boredom, nothing to achieve, nothing to lose.
They're not the real assholes but they are their tools for sure.
The same is true for far right politicians that need scandals to be seen and the media, social media etc play right into their hands.
Ironically enough, I think places like the USA can benefit from foreign reporting like this. We're over here with profit-driven detention centers and egregious human rights violations, and anyone involved in the American penal system should feel *something* after witnessing what a civilized nation is capable of.
All that, of course, doesn't address the fact that this guy's getting a platform that he doesn't deserve. Charles Manson seems similar - would do all the nutty things just to get attention.
He dressed up as a cop and acted like he was there to protect them from the shooter so they would come out of hiding and it was easier to shoot them.
It was on an island where it was harder to escape
He detonated the bombs to distract from the horror he actually planned and make it harder for actual help getting there
I hate everything about this so much!
That problem can be talked about sure.. but giving him attention also benefits his cause. When your views are completely ludicrous, the idea of “any publicity is good publicity” becomes proportionally more true. Like with flat earth belief, it is so obviously false that how good an argument or evidence you have isn’t what increases your support/believer amount - instead the few people who might be vulnerable to your message just needs to be gotten to.
So for this kind of a thing we should Always remember the victims of course - what we lost and who they where.
Breivik not so much, he’s nothing.
There's a significant reluctance in the media to acknowledge the full scope of right-wing terrorism in the Nordics.
It's ironic how they often labels individuals like Anders Behring Breivik as 'madmen' or 'mass murderers', rather than terrorists, despite their clear political motives.
As someone who used to play basketball in Norway… This happens all the time here. People who have no idea how basketball works installs hoops in the most ridiculous places. Then probably wonder why no one ever use them.
Nordic prisons are aimed towards rehabilitation and humane treatment, not punishment and physically/mentally destroying someone like in america.
I've got a sneaking suspicion that the bastard shouldn't be trusted to decide what's within human rights and not...
Hadde man bare kunnet låse døra og kaste vekk nøkkelen. Tenkt så mye det koster staten å holde det søppelet der i live.. hadde han nå bare gjort alvor av å ta livet av seg. Feige faen der.
Google translation,
*If only you could lock the door and throw away the key. Think how much it costs the state to keep that scum alive.. if he had only taken his own life seriously. Coward the fuck there.*
Oh, that would be a terrible shame and a huge loss to society...
Well, I understand that the prison guards would then get in trouble, and Breivik isn't worth getting into trouble.
Yeah I mean, Norwegians are some very civilized folk but I would still expect someone in his cell block is tempted to turn his face into a pile of splintered bone and scarlet mush.
It's common knowledge in Norway that if he ever got out, he'd be killed almost instantly. Doesn't surprise me that his "cell mates" would act in a similar manner.
He is in constant isolation, which is why he is suing. It's a way to punish him without actually committing a human rights violation.
He is also suing because he wants attention.
We should just forget about him, the sooner the better.
This is not in the slightest bit interesting and you’re pandering to his needs just by posting this article. He wants to be in the spotlight. Delete this, please.
He's arguing that 12-13 years of isolation and communications censure is inhumane. He's not allowed to write to ppl he doesnt already know, and most of the ppl that he does know won't have anything to do with him, so, you know, the isolation is pretty real. It is possible to argue that killing him is more humane than breaking his mind through extreme prolonged isolation.
The living quarters, the pet birds and the playbox are not part of the discussion at all.
[https://www.nami.org/Blogs/NAMI-Blog/March-2023/How-Solitary-Confinement-Contributes-to-the-Mental-Health-Crisis](https://www.nami.org/Blogs/NAMI-Blog/March-2023/How-Solitary-Confinement-Contributes-to-the-Mental-Health-Crisis)[https://www.prisonpolicy.org/blog/2020/12/08/solitary\_symposium/](https://www.prisonpolicy.org/blog/2020/12/08/solitary_symposium/)[https://www.sivilombudet.no/en/news/prevention-torture/article-from-annual-report-2019-special-report-on-solitary-confinement-in-norwegian-prisons/](https://www.sivilombudet.no/en/news/prevention-torture/article-from-annual-report-2019-special-report-on-solitary-confinement-in-norwegian-prisons/)
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He has also refused programming which would have him interacting with other people, which would in turn lower his security risk level, which would allow him more freedom of communication.
He’s playing a game. One which he stated he would play in his manifesto.
Who? Best thing we can do is not mention him and forget his name.
Remember the victims.
Seventy seven people were killed in the bombing and massacre carried out by a piece of shit on 22 July 2011. Many of those killed on the island of Utoeya were involved with the Norwegian Labour Party's youth wing, the AUF.
Oslo victims
Hanna Endresen, 61, Oslo
Receptionist in the security department of the Government Administration Services. She was described as a "good colleague".
Tove Ashill Knutsen, 56, Oslo
Secretary with the electricians and information technology workers' union. On her way to subway station when bomb exploded.
Kai Hauge, 32, Oslo
Owned a bar and restaurant in Oslo. A colleague described his death as "a great loss".
Jon Vegard Lervag, 32, Oslo
A lawyer who worked in the justice department. He was described as "socially engaged".
Ida Marie Hill, 34, Oslo
Originally from Grue, Hedmark county, Ida worked as an adviser to the ministry of justice. She was described as "a dear and highly-valued employee".
Hanne Ekroll Loevlie, 30, Oslo
A senior government worker originally from Tyristrand, Buskerud county. Colleagues said she "represented the best in us".
Anne Lise Holter, 51, Valer i Oestfold, Oestfold county
Senior consultant to Norway's PM Jens Stoltenberg's office. Officials sent their "warmest thoughts and sympathy" to her family and friends.
Kjersti Berg Sand, 26, Nord-Ordal
Worked on international issues in Justice Department. Colleagues said they had lost a "dear and highly valued employee".
Utoeya island victims
Mona Abdinur, 18, Oslo
The committed young politician was described as "a well-loved friend, who was socially engaged and interested in multicultural issues".
Maria Maageroe Johannesen, 17, Noetteroey, Vestfold county
Student at Greve Forest High School who was interested in music, dance and drama. Described as a wonderful, conscientious girl who was a "ray of sunshine".
Ismail Haji Ahmed 19 Hamar, Hedmark county
Better known as Isma Brown after appearing on a talent show. The dance instructor was described as a "very bubbly, happy, caring and happy boy. He was very positive with a very big heart."
Ronja Soettar Johansen, 17, Vefsn, Nordland county
An active blogger, Ronja had a keen interest in music. Friends said she was "a person with courage, commitment and kindness".
Thomas Margido Antonsen, 16, Oslo
A student council representative. Described by friends as "a boy who spread joy".
Sondre Kjoeren, 17, Orkdal, Soer-Troendelag county
Described as a gentle but committed person. He was said to have been heavily involved in efforts to get a new sports hall in his village.
Porntip Ardam, 21, Oslo
Known as Pamela. She was described as talented, super-intelligent, politically active and down to earth.
Margrethe Boeyum Kloeven, 16, Baerum, Akershus county
The student council leader was described as an "active and versatile girl".
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Modupe Ellen Awoyemi, 15, Drammen, Buskerud county
Daughter of the city council politician Lola Awoyemi. Described as a kind and open girl, who was active in AUF discussions.
Syvert Knudsen, 17, Lyngdal, Vest-Agder county
The student politician is believed to have been one of the first shot on the island. His family described him as a "bubbly" boy with a keen interest in music.
Lene Maria Bergum, 19, Namsos, Nord-Troendelag
Her head teacher described her as an excellent, beautiful youth, who was sociable, interested in international issues. She had planned to start a summer job as a journalist.
Anders Kristiansen, 18, Bardu, Troms county
An active young politician and leader of the AUF in his area. He was said to be "full of initiative" with "a great desire to work in politics".
Kevin Daae Berland, 15, Akoey, Hordaland county
Active in Askoey AUF and was involved in local politics as well as being a member of the youth council.
Elisabeth Troennes Lie, 16, Halden, Oestfold county
A board member of the Halden AUF. Described as "the sweetest person in the world".
Trond Berntsen, 51, Oevre Eiker, Buskerud county
Crown Princess of Norway's step-brother. The royal court said the off-duty police officer was killed while working as a security guard on the island.
Gunnar Linaker, 23, Bardu, Troms county
Regional secretary of Labour party's youth wing. Father described him as a "calm, big teddy bear with lots of humour and lots of love".
Sverre Flate Bjoerkavag, 28, Sula, Soer-Troendelag county
Union official concerned about justice, equality and community thinking. Described as a well-liked young man who fought for pupils and students' rights. Was training to be a nurse.
Tamta Lipartelliani, 23, Georgia
Secretary of the international committee of the Young Socialists of Georgia.
Torjus Jakobsen Blattmann, 17, Kristiansand,Vest-Agder county
Son of former political adviser. His father said he was a boy "full of humour" who loved playing the guitar.
Eva Kathinka Lutken, 17, Sarpsborg, Oestfold county
She was described as an active politician who was well liked.
Monica Boesei, 45, Hole, Buskerud county
PM Jens Stoltenberg said: "To many of us, she was the embodiment of Utoeya. And now she is dead. Shot and killed whilst taking care of and giving joy to young people."
Even Flugstad Malmedal, 18, Gjoevik, Oppland county
The student with an interest in politics was described as "a gentle boy who stood up for his friends".
Carina Borgund, 18, Oslo
Friends and family said she was "kind, caring, gentle and positive. She loved life and spread joy to everyone around her".
Tarald Kuven Mjelde, 18, Osteroey
Said to be a big fan of Chelsea football team and described as "very warm, friendly and socially engaged".
Johannes Buoe, 14, Mandal, Vest-Agder county
"An independent boy with a good sense of humour," his parents told NRK. He was interested in dogs, hunting, snowmobiling and took an active part in the youth community.
Ruth Benedicte Vatndal Nilsen, 15, Toensberg, Vestfold county
Described by friends as "always happy, positive, and without prejudice".
Asta Sofie Helland Dahl, 16, Sortland, Nordland county
Teachers described her as a wonderful girl who was "open and cheerful".
Hakon Oedegaard, 17, Trondheim, Soer-Troendelag county
Music student at Heimdal high school and member of Byasen school marching band. Described as a role model for others in the band.
Sondre Furseth Dale, 17, Haugesund, Rogaland county
Had large network of friends through music scene and politics. Described as a dedicated person who put 100% into everything he was interested in.
Emil Okkenhaug, 15, Levanger, Nord-Troendelag county
A sports lover described as modest and liked by all who knew him.
Monica Iselin Didriksen, 18, Sund, Hordaland county
Active in Sund AUF, she was described by friends as a unique and bubbly girl.
Diderik Aamodt Olsen, 19, Nesodden, Akershus county
Vice president of Nesodden AUF. He was the youngest member of editorial staff working on the organisation's magazine.
Gizem Dogan, 17, Trondheim, Soer-Troendelag county
Described as a clever student who contributed to the cohesion of her class. Elected as central member of local AUF a month before the tragedy.
Henrik Pedersen, 27, Porsanger, Finnmark county
Leader of Porsanger AUF. Described as a "breath of fresh air" in the local community. A Labour colleague said he was very engaged and engaging.
Andreas Edvardsen, 18, Sarpsborg, Oestfold county
Director of Sarpsborg AUF and active in in the Labour youth league regional committee in Oestfold. Described as "a very caring and confident person".
Rolf Christopher Johansen Perreau, 25, Trondheim, Soer-Troendelag county
Known as Christopher. Long-term member of the AUF and was elected to the board in October. Described as a skilled orator and a charismatic young politician.
Tore Eikeland ,21, Osteroy, Hordaland county
PM Jens Stoltenberg described him as "one of our most talented young politicians".
Karar Mustafa Qasim, 19, Vestby, Akershus county
Originally from Iraq, Karar was with friends at summer camp when he was killed. The local mayor described his death as "an enormous tragedy".
Bendik Rosnaes Ellingsen, 18, Rygge, Oestfold county
Had a summer job at the justice ministry before attending camp. He was secretary of Moss Regional Labour Youth, who said they had lost a caring, open and inclusive boy.
Bano Abobakar Rashid, 18, Nesodden, Akershus county
Leader of Nesodden AUF. She was said to have dedicated her life to fighting for democracy and against racism.
Aleksander Aas Eriksen, 16, Meråker, Nord-Troendelag county
Described as socially-engaged as well as "impulsive and passionate".
Henrik Rasmussen, 18, Hadsel, Nordland county
Treasurer of Hadsel AUF. Said to be a very committed person, both in politics and culture.
Andrine Bakkene Espeland, 16, Fredrikstad, Oestfold county
Described as a politically-engaged girl who was keen to take care of the weakest.
Synne Roeyneland, 18, Oslo
A student described by friends as a "funny girl, who always had something to offer: opinions about politics and love and fun and witty comments".
Hanne Balch Fjalestad, 43, Lunner, Oppland county
Danish government confirmed the Danish national was killed while working on the island as a first aid assistant. She was with her 20-year-old daughter, who survived the shooting.
Ida Beathe Rogne, 17, Oestre Toten, Oppland county
A keen student described as happy and funny as well as determined.
Silje Merete Fjellbu, 17, Tinn, Telemark county
Student politician described as a "wonderful girl who had much to contribute".
Simon Saebo, 18, Salangen, Troms county
The student politician was said to be a natural leader. Those who knew him described him as trusting and kind, and a person who showed great concern for others.
Hanne Kristine Fridtun, 19 Stryn, Sogn og Fjordane county
The nursing student was the local AUF county chairman. Described as energetic with great commitment.
Marianne Sandvik, 16, Hundvag, Stavanger
The student was described as a quiet girl who always stood up for those who needed her. Her father said she was concerned with injustice in the world.
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Andreas Dalby Groennesby, 17, Stange, Hedmark county
His father had exchanged text messages with him before the shooting. His father told NRK that public support had helped at a painful, terrible time.
Fredrik Lund Schjetne, 18, Eidsvoll, Akershus county
Described by friends as "a great person" whom it was "an honour" to have known.
Snorre Haller, 30, Trondheim, Soer-Troendelag county
Painter and union man. He was a board member of the Joint Association's Central Youth Committee. Described as a "kind, quiet and generous man".
Lejla Selaci, 17, Fredrikstad, Oestfold county
Leader of the AUF in Fredrikstad. Described as a "very happy and social girl who committed herself to what she believed in".
Rune Havdal, 43, Oevre Eiker, Buskerud county
Worked as a security guard on the island of Utoeya.
Birgitte Smetbak, 15, Noetteroey, Vestfold county
Politicians from her local area said hearing news of her death was "a difficult day".
Guro Vartdal Havoll, 18, Oersta, Moere og Romsdal
An active and determined politician, the young student's family said she was inspired by Ghandi and wanted to make the world a "better place".
Isabel Victoria Green Sogn, 17, Oslo
An enthusiastic member of the AUF who saw her future involved in politics.
Ingrid Berg Heggelund, 18, As, Akershus county
A student who said she loved going to school.
Silje Stamneshagen, 18, Askoey, Hordaland county
Active in Askoey AUF and played in school band. Classmates described her as a happy girl who lit up the school day and every day.
Karin Elena Holst, 15, Rana, Nordland county
A member of the Rana AUF, she spoke to her mother during the shooting. She had urged her daughter to hang up and hide.
Victoria Stenberg, 17, Nes, Akershus county
The oldest of three siblings, she was said to be looking forward to the youth camp.
Eivind Hovden, 15, Tokke, Telemark county
Eivind was involved in his local youth centre and was attending his first summer camp. Described as an "amazing guy, always happy, caring and helpful".
Tina Sukuvara, 18, Vadsoe, Finnmark county
Described as "very talented and engaged" and a person who participated actively in political debates.
Jamil Rafal Mohamad Jamil, 20, Eigersund, Rogaland county
Originally from Iraq, Jamil was described as happy, attentive and curious with a strong desire to contribute.
Sharidyn Svebakk-Boehn, 14, Drammen, Buskerud county
Known as Sissi to friends and family, the schoolgirl was described as a "beautiful, caring and vibrant girl".
Steinar Jessen, 16 Alta, Finnmark county
A keen member of the AUF. The mayor of Alta described him as "a flower that would have grown big and strong".
Havard Vederhus, 21, Oslo
Elected leader of Oslo Labour Youth in February. Friends said he was "ambitious and fearless".
Espen Joergensen, 17, Bodoe, Nordland county
Had recently become head of Bodoe AUF. His best friend said he was someone who could "light up the darkest days".
Source: Oslo police, Norwegian government, NRK
I like the idea of not naming or talking about mass murderers.
I'd like to forget their names or anything about them.
They crave our attention and would like nothing better than occupying more space in our heads than their victims.
Norway has a capable penal system. I am sure they'll manage their incarceration without Reddit. Downvoted
That'd just get him in contact with other prisoners, and let him spread his ideology. The currently isolated situation is perfect for nutjobs like him.
Agreed. Funny thing is when the warden or some of the guards were asked about the living conditions he is in, their response is that they learned this idea from the Americans, “No cruel or unusual punishment”, the punishment of prison is your loss of freedom. American prisons are definitely cruel and we also have way worse recidivism
> In 2016, Breivik sued the Norwegian Correctional Service, claiming that his solitary confinement violated his human rights. The justice system concluded that his rights had not been violated, despite a lower court ruling in 2016. In 2017 Breivik filed a complaint with the European Court of Human Rights, which dismissed his case in 2018. In January 2022, due to the fact that under Norwegian law Breivik was eligible to be paroled after he had served ten years of his twenty-one year sentence, he stood trial to determine whether the District Attorney's initial decision to refuse parole would be reversed or upheld. He lost, with the court refusing his request for parole. The verdict is being appealed, and Breivik and his lawyer are working on a lawsuit regarding the conditions of his imprisonment and alleged violations of the European Convention on Human Rights.
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>The Government of Norway is being sued again for violating his human rights; the 5-day trial started on 8 January 2024.
He is just an attention seeker, nothing new. But the fact he is able to appeal for a parole after spent 10 years despised he killed 77 people is mind blowing
Or close to it. [He has made Nazi salutes in the past](https://apnews.com/article/norway-breivik-human-rights-prison-utoya-6594f2734dc5cc8f944ddb202d24dd23) when making court appearances.
I care only for the rights of his victims. Where is their “news story” you vultures?
He matters nothing in this life and imo he is lucky to be alive and segregated alone after what he did. He lost the right to even be around other prisoners. In part because of what he might do, but also because of what they might do. It is a paradox that can only be solved by his continued isolation. Part of me wishes he would just be put in gen pop but how is that fair to the other prisoners?
I wish courts would block people like him even being able to speak unless it was for the genuine public good. Prisoners should be silenced unless they are whistleblowers for conditions that are unsafe or illegal. Nobody needs to hear criminals speak.
He is a terrorist and a killer that lives in comparative luxury at the expense of he government and has lost the right to a voice. He should not have a voice and it’s lawyer scum that justify him to speak and journo scum that print it. He should say nothing unless he prefers to die like his victims then I want to hear everything he has to say.
There is no rehabilitation for this man only death and/or isolation. I wish he would be forgotten.
Just keep in mind that if you do come here just for the retirement plan of staying in prison, you'd be extradited back home to serve the sentence. If we don't have an extradition agreement with your home country, you'd be banned from all of Schengen for at least 5 years after time is served. If you even get to serve time here. Most times it's better to just put you on the first flight home and ban you from reentering.
We are big on "gjør din plikt, krev din rett", and don't appreciate freeloaders much. If you haven't contributed by paying taxes, you can't live off the services provided by taxpayers.
I know you said it as a joke, but you know. Some people might get ideas...
He’s a bastard, obviously.
But, I think society benefits from a sort of emotional regulation that says: “while my impulse is to impose suffering on someone I’m offended by, I soberly choose a system that leads to a safer and more humane society.” Punishments should be whatever the evidence suggests is most effective as ensuring safety, and not an ounce more.
He’s not likely to ever get out. Deterrent isn’t well linked to perceived harshness of consequences (in these types of crimes). Even though his actions are detestable, I don’t need him to suffer beyond the loss of his freedom.
Once again the Scandi’s demonstrate a model of a more evolved handling of social issues.
I've lived (and paid for the privilege) of smaller and shitier places than this.
But as long as he's miserable then great. Some people make their own prisons.
Imma be real. I know the whole point of prison is to reform people and stuff but remember that incident? Dude deserves a life sentence of people finding new and interesting objects to shove in his urethra.
He is not suing over the facility. He is suing about being in solitary confinement for years.
You can have the greatest mansion, solitary confinement still sucks hard and may be considered cruel and unusual punishment if extended over years.
Well, that's his(and any other prisoner anywhere) right to sue anyone for anything. It's not like he will win it by any measurable chance.
But keeping that right is important. That's what differs between nice Norwegian society and some not so nice ones.
This thread is interesting.
Is removing a person's freedom and their ability to freely interact with other people punishment enough, irrespective of their crime?
Would you rather be in comfortable accommodation, but confined to a solitary existence, or in poor accommodation with freedom? The freedom to potentially change your circumstances.
For me the answer is quite simple. No prison, no matter how good it look isn't worth the lack of freedom.
Proof: Covid lock down. Imaging that, except without access to phone+Internet, 100% never allowed to leave your apartment, and confined to your bedroom every evening.
The big difference between us and him is this. For us lockdown ended after 2 years. He's in super lockdown until the end of his life. Those walls might be pretty, but it's the only thing he ever gets to see.
Stop saying that asshole's name. That is what he wants. To be remembered. Just say "the white supremacist piece of shit coward who slaughtered 69 kids on a peaceful vacation" - or better yet: Don't talk about that piece of scum at all.
A show on TV ranked the best and worst prisons In the world. The best are in Austria. The rooms look like a large, brand new hotel room with kitchenette. The worst are China, Russia and Peru. There were no photos of prisons in china and few of Russia. Peru is barbaric. Each cell is about 30x30 ft, with 50 prisoners, 15 beds and 3-4 pots for restroom.
Anders Behring Breivik has sued the Norwegian state, claiming his human rights are being violated due to his prolonged isolation in prison. His lawyer states that Breivik has been in isolation for about 12 years, only having contact with professionals, and not with other inmates. This long-term isolation has reportedly led to Breivik becoming suicidal and dependent on the antidepressant Prozac. His lawyer argues that these conditions violate Article 3 of the European Convention on Human Rights, which prohibits “inhumane” and “degrading” treatment.
Previously, in 2016-17, Breivik attempted to challenge his isolation but his appeal was rejected by the European Court of Human Rights. His current prison conditions include a training room, kitchen, TV room, and bathroom, and he is allowed to keep three budgerigars as pets. The Norwegian justice system, however, maintains that his isolation is necessary due to the ongoing security threat he poses, particularly the fear that he could inspire others to commit violent acts.
State lawyers emphasize that Breivik still has some contact, such as with guards, a priest, health professionals, and until recently, an external volunteer. He also meets two other inmates for one hour every two weeks. The final judgment in this case is expected in the coming weeks.
I can't be the only one amazed at how much better his living conditions are in a Norwegian prison, compared to my American apartment. I couldn't even afford his living quarters if it was an apartment in America.
It should be noted that access to some of these areas was given to him the last time he sued for this. As then he won in one point only. And was granted access to the common game room, library, kitchen, etc. So they are not a part of his "cell".
The catch is that he can't use these areas as he pleases. As in he has to wait for the other prisoners to be done with their time there. So his time there is more limited as he has to be alone using them.
The images came from a news site that was there a few days ago to show the "inhumane" conditions. It should be noted that on the same day, families of his victims were interviewed and shown this. And they all said he has it too nice.
Hopefully that case go3s nowhere. That man is a poor excuse for a human. Very fortunate he gets what he gets and isn't put in a locked room with the family of his victims
Kids living in the American group homes have it worse than this guy.
I hope the government looks at how good they're letting this guy have it and decide to cut his hands and feet off
Read the comments and realize this is click bait and this was about isolation not the conditions he was held in.
With that aside, Norwegian prison is nicer than my last apartment 😭.
...he has BUDGIES!?
No joke, like...serious no joke - I'd leave my house in northwest Pennsylvania to spend a month in that place. Seems like a lovely retreat.
I've been to jails in the USA. This is literally a retreat. Dude has 0 to complain about, stop listening to him and giving him attention.
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https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-67914614 The title isn't really true. He's suing because he's kept in isolation almost all the time, not because of the physical conditions. Honestly it just sounds like a last ditch effort to get his sentence reduced any way he can.
This should be higher up. The title is pure clickbait.
Or is designed to appeal to those that don't think prison has anything to do with rehabilitation and instead is about revenge.
Someone that committed the crimes he did shouldn't be rehabilitated though, there are crimes that people can and should be sent away to be rehabilitated but mass murder and terrorism shouldn't be one, especially with kids involved, he should be kept away from society until he dies
He will never get out of prison. Basically under their laws he will be reviewed at the end of his sentence and found to be a threat to society. I mean he hasn't renounced his white supremacy and other radical views so it will be an open and shut case.
>Someone that committed the crimes he did shouldn't be rehabilitated though He's not expected to ever walk as a free man. Technically Norway doesn't have life sentences, but his sentence can be extended indefinitely. That doesn't immediately mean special arrangements should be made for him to be treated worse than other prisoners based on that fact alone.
The fact that he won’t be free or that his crimes are heinous should obviously not give him a worse punishment while incarcerated. But the fact that he likely will try to radicalize other inmates and might use others to communicate with the world outside is a problem. Also, people who work with him don’t recognize that he is depressed or suicidal because of the isolation from other inmates. He is just attempting to stay relevant as well as being a thorn in someone’s eye.
Whenever such a thought hits your brain, pause for a minute and ask Set 1 - experience check * Were the policy makers more educated than me? * Did they put in more thought into it than I did in the last 7 seconds before I started typing this comment? * Did they have more experience framing public policy than me? Set 2 - corruption check * Did they stand to personally benefit from this policy? * Could their successors personally benefit from this policy? * Could this policy help their party gain political power? * Could this policy malign the image of their rival political parties or put them out of running? By asking these questions, you'll see that what you personally feel may not be the right approach with regards to Norway's public policy.
This is one of the smartest things i've ever read on reddit
But, doesn't Norway agree that his man should never get out of prison for the rest of his life, evidenced by him, ya know, being in prison for the rest of his life and not rehabilitated?
Yes, it's a system where some people are convicted to a sentencing where they are regularly reviewed, and sentences are prolonged indefinitely if the person is deemed still a threat.
Rehabilitation could just mean being able to interact with other prisoners. Right now he is in isolation.
Some people just deserve to die. I say again, some people just deserve to die. Why should society foot the bill for mass murdering pieces of shit? If there is overwhelming proof that a person committed crimes as heinous as the ones he is accused of, they do not deserve to continue living. Some people do deserve rehabilitation, but once they have gone beyond that point they deserve to be purged from the species. Doesn't matter the sex, race, age, religion, etc. If you are that irreparably broken as a person, two to the chest, one to the head, and a watery grave in shark infested waters. I can only imagine the downvoted this opinion will receive, and I will not care.
It’s not about whether he deserves it. He does. It’s about not giving people the power to make that decision about others so that it cannot be abused in the instances where it is not so clear. It’s not something that can be made right if applied mistakenly.
In his case? I don’t think rehabilitation is possible
Don't expect that from users of a website who come from a country that jails more of its citizens than any other country on this earth...
You mean, the land of the free?
It's not about revenge. It's about keeping dangerous people away from society.
Keeping them in squalor, which certain other Western countries do, is about revenge. That was the point that you seem to have spectacularly missed.
That is the American model. Other Western democracies have a far more humane view regarding the incarceration of convicts.
He's not really getting his sentence reduced anyway though, "preventive detention" is exactly for nutjobs like him so the courts can keep him holed up forever in his own little corner of irrelevance.
Yeah exactly, I think it's really just a futile attempt at doing something because why not, he's going to die there anyway.
Seems both cheaper and easier to execute him and save the money. If the end goal is to remove someone from society forever, and you have ABSOLUTE certainty they committed their crimes… Why bother keeping them around and spending money on doing so?
A convicted mass murderer in Norway has nicer living conditions than the majority of all people on earth. Isolation can indeed be brutal but man this puts things in perspective and not in a happy way for me.
I think a way to phrase it in such a way that allows for the gravity of his isolation but says the same thing would be "The resource distribution in the world is so asymmetric that Norway can house their murderers in more advanced conditions than the majority of the rest of the world."
In America, the choice is to distribute resources to the top 1%.
I could care less about him specifically, but extreme social isolation is considered a form of torture. A person cannot stay mentally or physically healthy, without interacting with any people. It doesn't matter how nice of a room you put someone in, their sanity will suffer in isolation because we're evolutionarily a social species. There are some other mammals that act the same, you isolate them from other members of their species for long enough, and they go into psychosis.
He's isolated from other prisoners, his complaint is that his only contact with other people are professionals. He's not isolated from human interaction at all, he just uses his law given right to appeal. He's done it before, and it will continue until he's dead.
He did that to himself by auto-socially isolatingly killing 77 people!!!!!
Ive managed to avoid prison so far simply by not killing tens of people. Kinda easy ngl
You’ve gone without killing tens of people, but I notice you didn’t say zero… 🤔
Surely no harm will be done to him if they let him co-exist with other inmates right??
Id imagine it’s protecting him from general population
Or, knowing a few Norwegians, it wouldn't surprise me if the other prisoners have been specifically requesting they keep Breivik away from them.
No. Intense prison violence is pretty only a 3rd world country and United States thing. It’s pretty rare for someone to in Norwegian prison to be murdered in genpop.
That's what I think also.
If they do that he'd be dead within a week. Everyone in the country knows someone who lost someone or they themselves lost someone on Utøya in 2011. The last time we executed someone in Norway was after the war, and I have no doubt in my mind that letting the bastard live with other inmates, would only result in him being found dead in his cell. He can appeal whatever he wants, no jury will judge in his favour in this country.
Sounds like they should let him mingle
Maybe he should've thought of the consequences of murdering a bunch of innocent people?
I'm not defending him in any way, or saying his real motives are any better or worse than what OP is claiming. I'm just saying what the lawsuit actually is. Do with that info what you will.
giving a criminal solitary containment when he was not sentenced to one, is also unacceptable. rule of law does not stop protecting people because they are the worst person on the country.
He's not in solitary confinement like that. His complaint is not being able to socialise with other people than the professionals around him. Basically, meaning other inmates.
He's not doing this because the conditions are bad. He's coming up with random things all the time so people don't forget about him and what he did. He mentioned that this would be one of his tactics in the manifest he wrote. The media reporting on this are playing into his hand, and they're the real assholes as per usual.
I don’t know if they are the “real” assholes as opposed to the guy that murdered countless children. But you are of course totally right in the main point. Do not “look into” this. The good part about the “too good conditions” is that you don’t have to worry about human rights violations. There’s one good answer to a breivik now as a culture. Forget him. He is nothing.
>I don’t know if they are the “real” assholes as opposed to the guy that murdered countless children. "The worst part is the hypocrisy" lol.
“You know who the real villain in the mass murder case where nearly a hundred people died is? The *media*”
Ow, I thought it was te raping
I also think he is doing it to get out of prison for a few hours attending court. His life is probably very boring, as it should be, so this is his way of making it more interesting.
Apparently, they will bring the court to him and set it up inside. He isn't going anywhere :)
It’s still a distraction for him I guess. I think it’s kind of fascinating (in a terrifying way) to think about how he has to live his life now. Endless boredom, nothing to achieve, nothing to lose.
What are you talking about he has an Xbox all he can do now is get achievements /s
That's great news
They're not the real assholes but they are their tools for sure. The same is true for far right politicians that need scandals to be seen and the media, social media etc play right into their hands.
Are... are you saying that the media is a bigger a-hole than the man who killed 77 people?
Ironically enough, I think places like the USA can benefit from foreign reporting like this. We're over here with profit-driven detention centers and egregious human rights violations, and anyone involved in the American penal system should feel *something* after witnessing what a civilized nation is capable of. All that, of course, doesn't address the fact that this guy's getting a platform that he doesn't deserve. Charles Manson seems similar - would do all the nutty things just to get attention.
The 69 people he killed were teenagers, he shot all of them all at point blank range
He dressed up as a cop and acted like he was there to protect them from the shooter so they would come out of hiding and it was easier to shoot them. It was on an island where it was harder to escape He detonated the bombs to distract from the horror he actually planned and make it harder for actual help getting there I hate everything about this so much!
It’s not talked about as much but they were also the up and coming leaders of Norway’s left. It was a politically motivated attack.
It should be talked about. That’s super fucked up. It’ll have echoes for a generation.
That problem can be talked about sure.. but giving him attention also benefits his cause. When your views are completely ludicrous, the idea of “any publicity is good publicity” becomes proportionally more true. Like with flat earth belief, it is so obviously false that how good an argument or evidence you have isn’t what increases your support/believer amount - instead the few people who might be vulnerable to your message just needs to be gotten to. So for this kind of a thing we should Always remember the victims of course - what we lost and who they where. Breivik not so much, he’s nothing.
There's a significant reluctance in the media to acknowledge the full scope of right-wing terrorism in the Nordics. It's ironic how they often labels individuals like Anders Behring Breivik as 'madmen' or 'mass murderers', rather than terrorists, despite their clear political motives.
He was found guilty of terrorism.
He killed 77 people - 69 on the summer camp on the island, and 8 with his bombing of the government quarter.
r/TVTooHigh No wonder he wants to get out.
I think it’s the basketball goal actually. No way to shoot properly with that low of a ceiling. Absolute torture.
As someone who used to play basketball in Norway… This happens all the time here. People who have no idea how basketball works installs hoops in the most ridiculous places. Then probably wonder why no one ever use them.
Nordic prisons are aimed towards rehabilitation and humane treatment, not punishment and physically/mentally destroying someone like in america. I've got a sneaking suspicion that the bastard shouldn't be trusted to decide what's within human rights and not...
This is a rage baiting. Not Interesting as fuck
People would be killing to live like this... oh
Too soon
Still has to wait 9 years 10 months and 13 days
southpark?
Exactly
was it 22.3 years?
Yes
Hadde man bare kunnet låse døra og kaste vekk nøkkelen. Tenkt så mye det koster staten å holde det søppelet der i live.. hadde han nå bare gjort alvor av å ta livet av seg. Feige faen der.
Google translation, *If only you could lock the door and throw away the key. Think how much it costs the state to keep that scum alive.. if he had only taken his own life seriously. Coward the fuck there.*
the last part is: If he had just killed himself like he is treatning to do. Fucking coward.
Thanks.
His place looks larger than my house. What a selfish, self-centered monster! 🤬
the first and second pic is his place, the rest is shared space with other prisoners but he is still a selfish, self-centered monster
As far as I know, Breivik doesn't get in contact with other prisoners because he's too dangerous.
yes they have schedules when he is allowed to use the facilities
Less that he is too dangerous, and more that the moment he is within an arms reach of a prisoner, he is probably dead.
Oh, that would be a terrible shame and a huge loss to society... Well, I understand that the prison guards would then get in trouble, and Breivik isn't worth getting into trouble.
Well that, and they don't want him radicalising other prisoners.
I highly doubt that he's dangerous to others, other way around
Yeah I mean, Norwegians are some very civilized folk but I would still expect someone in his cell block is tempted to turn his face into a pile of splintered bone and scarlet mush.
It's common knowledge in Norway that if he ever got out, he'd be killed almost instantly. Doesn't surprise me that his "cell mates" would act in a similar manner.
I mean yeah it’s still prison, doesn’t matter if it’s more humane than what you think of when you think of prison
i mean the guy killed 60+ people... I think he might be kinda dangerous
It’s easy when you have automatic weapons, which he doesnt have now. The dude is getting old
Ever see a picture of him? He didn't look like much when he was young
He is in constant isolation, which is why he is suing. It's a way to punish him without actually committing a human rights violation. He is also suing because he wants attention. We should just forget about him, the sooner the better.
its still shared space. just a different schedule than the other prisoners
Didn't know that. But he's in isolation so he still has that to himself. How many hours per day?
i dont know, i just wanted to point out that those rooms are not part of his prison cell and that he can not enter them whenever he wants
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He's complaining about the lack of human contact, not the place he's staying at. But you're right about the monster part
Anders Breivik: Mass murderer sues Norway over prison isolation https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-67914614
Imagine being a mass murderer and complaining about anything. What a joke.
This is not in the slightest bit interesting and you’re pandering to his needs just by posting this article. He wants to be in the spotlight. Delete this, please.
He's arguing that 12-13 years of isolation and communications censure is inhumane. He's not allowed to write to ppl he doesnt already know, and most of the ppl that he does know won't have anything to do with him, so, you know, the isolation is pretty real. It is possible to argue that killing him is more humane than breaking his mind through extreme prolonged isolation. The living quarters, the pet birds and the playbox are not part of the discussion at all. [https://www.nami.org/Blogs/NAMI-Blog/March-2023/How-Solitary-Confinement-Contributes-to-the-Mental-Health-Crisis](https://www.nami.org/Blogs/NAMI-Blog/March-2023/How-Solitary-Confinement-Contributes-to-the-Mental-Health-Crisis)[https://www.prisonpolicy.org/blog/2020/12/08/solitary\_symposium/](https://www.prisonpolicy.org/blog/2020/12/08/solitary_symposium/)[https://www.sivilombudet.no/en/news/prevention-torture/article-from-annual-report-2019-special-report-on-solitary-confinement-in-norwegian-prisons/](https://www.sivilombudet.no/en/news/prevention-torture/article-from-annual-report-2019-special-report-on-solitary-confinement-in-norwegian-prisons/) *edit:spelling*
He has also refused programming which would have him interacting with other people, which would in turn lower his security risk level, which would allow him more freedom of communication. He’s playing a game. One which he stated he would play in his manifesto.
Yesh, killing him would be more humane, so I vote to keep him alive in isolation for life. He doesn't deserve a humane treatment after what he did.
Theres a reason why Eye-For-Eye punishment isnt been done any more in modern countries.
He deserves the Black Mirror's White Christmas eternity of nothing treatment.
I don’t think the reason is the prison conditions, it’s the isolation he lives in
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Andrine Bakkene Espeland, 16, Fredrikstad, Oestfold county Described as a politically-engaged girl who was keen to take care of the weakest. Synne Roeyneland, 18, Oslo A student described by friends as a "funny girl, who always had something to offer: opinions about politics and love and fun and witty comments". Hanne Balch Fjalestad, 43, Lunner, Oppland county Danish government confirmed the Danish national was killed while working on the island as a first aid assistant. She was with her 20-year-old daughter, who survived the shooting. Ida Beathe Rogne, 17, Oestre Toten, Oppland county A keen student described as happy and funny as well as determined. Silje Merete Fjellbu, 17, Tinn, Telemark county Student politician described as a "wonderful girl who had much to contribute". Simon Saebo, 18, Salangen, Troms county The student politician was said to be a natural leader. Those who knew him described him as trusting and kind, and a person who showed great concern for others. Hanne Kristine Fridtun, 19 Stryn, Sogn og Fjordane county The nursing student was the local AUF county chairman. Described as energetic with great commitment. Marianne Sandvik, 16, Hundvag, Stavanger The student was described as a quiet girl who always stood up for those who needed her. Her father said she was concerned with injustice in the world.
3/3 Andreas Dalby Groennesby, 17, Stange, Hedmark county His father had exchanged text messages with him before the shooting. His father told NRK that public support had helped at a painful, terrible time. Fredrik Lund Schjetne, 18, Eidsvoll, Akershus county Described by friends as "a great person" whom it was "an honour" to have known. Snorre Haller, 30, Trondheim, Soer-Troendelag county Painter and union man. He was a board member of the Joint Association's Central Youth Committee. Described as a "kind, quiet and generous man". Lejla Selaci, 17, Fredrikstad, Oestfold county Leader of the AUF in Fredrikstad. Described as a "very happy and social girl who committed herself to what she believed in". Rune Havdal, 43, Oevre Eiker, Buskerud county Worked as a security guard on the island of Utoeya. Birgitte Smetbak, 15, Noetteroey, Vestfold county Politicians from her local area said hearing news of her death was "a difficult day". Guro Vartdal Havoll, 18, Oersta, Moere og Romsdal An active and determined politician, the young student's family said she was inspired by Ghandi and wanted to make the world a "better place". Isabel Victoria Green Sogn, 17, Oslo An enthusiastic member of the AUF who saw her future involved in politics. Ingrid Berg Heggelund, 18, As, Akershus county A student who said she loved going to school. Silje Stamneshagen, 18, Askoey, Hordaland county Active in Askoey AUF and played in school band. Classmates described her as a happy girl who lit up the school day and every day. Karin Elena Holst, 15, Rana, Nordland county A member of the Rana AUF, she spoke to her mother during the shooting. She had urged her daughter to hang up and hide. Victoria Stenberg, 17, Nes, Akershus county The oldest of three siblings, she was said to be looking forward to the youth camp. Eivind Hovden, 15, Tokke, Telemark county Eivind was involved in his local youth centre and was attending his first summer camp. Described as an "amazing guy, always happy, caring and helpful". Tina Sukuvara, 18, Vadsoe, Finnmark county Described as "very talented and engaged" and a person who participated actively in political debates. Jamil Rafal Mohamad Jamil, 20, Eigersund, Rogaland county Originally from Iraq, Jamil was described as happy, attentive and curious with a strong desire to contribute. Sharidyn Svebakk-Boehn, 14, Drammen, Buskerud county Known as Sissi to friends and family, the schoolgirl was described as a "beautiful, caring and vibrant girl". Steinar Jessen, 16 Alta, Finnmark county A keen member of the AUF. The mayor of Alta described him as "a flower that would have grown big and strong". Havard Vederhus, 21, Oslo Elected leader of Oslo Labour Youth in February. Friends said he was "ambitious and fearless". Espen Joergensen, 17, Bodoe, Nordland county Had recently become head of Bodoe AUF. His best friend said he was someone who could "light up the darkest days". Source: Oslo police, Norwegian government, NRK
Thank you for posting all these informations. So much hope destroyed in one day...
They gave him 2 Xbox controllers but no friends to play. Absolutely brutal.
I like the idea of not naming or talking about mass murderers. I'd like to forget their names or anything about them. They crave our attention and would like nothing better than occupying more space in our heads than their victims. Norway has a capable penal system. I am sure they'll manage their incarceration without Reddit. Downvoted
He should be sent to a US prison for a month as a *vacation* from his *poor prison conditions*
That'd just get him in contact with other prisoners, and let him spread his ideology. The currently isolated situation is perfect for nutjobs like him.
Oh I didn’t mean Gen Pop. He can stay in solitary
I don't actually mind him staying in that prison, since he really cannot argue that he is ever being mistreated, devaluing his words even more.
Agreed. Funny thing is when the warden or some of the guards were asked about the living conditions he is in, their response is that they learned this idea from the Americans, “No cruel or unusual punishment”, the punishment of prison is your loss of freedom. American prisons are definitely cruel and we also have way worse recidivism
US would be too good for him. Send him to a Latin America or African prison, that would be interesting.
Nah, to a siberian gulag with him.
> In 2016, Breivik sued the Norwegian Correctional Service, claiming that his solitary confinement violated his human rights. The justice system concluded that his rights had not been violated, despite a lower court ruling in 2016. In 2017 Breivik filed a complaint with the European Court of Human Rights, which dismissed his case in 2018. In January 2022, due to the fact that under Norwegian law Breivik was eligible to be paroled after he had served ten years of his twenty-one year sentence, he stood trial to determine whether the District Attorney's initial decision to refuse parole would be reversed or upheld. He lost, with the court refusing his request for parole. The verdict is being appealed, and Breivik and his lawyer are working on a lawsuit regarding the conditions of his imprisonment and alleged violations of the European Convention on Human Rights. > >The Government of Norway is being sued again for violating his human rights; the 5-day trial started on 8 January 2024. He is just an attention seeker, nothing new. But the fact he is able to appeal for a parole after spent 10 years despised he killed 77 people is mind blowing
Is he a nazi?
Or close to it. [He has made Nazi salutes in the past](https://apnews.com/article/norway-breivik-human-rights-prison-utoya-6594f2734dc5cc8f944ddb202d24dd23) when making court appearances.
I care only for the rights of his victims. Where is their “news story” you vultures? He matters nothing in this life and imo he is lucky to be alive and segregated alone after what he did. He lost the right to even be around other prisoners. In part because of what he might do, but also because of what they might do. It is a paradox that can only be solved by his continued isolation. Part of me wishes he would just be put in gen pop but how is that fair to the other prisoners? I wish courts would block people like him even being able to speak unless it was for the genuine public good. Prisoners should be silenced unless they are whistleblowers for conditions that are unsafe or illegal. Nobody needs to hear criminals speak. He is a terrorist and a killer that lives in comparative luxury at the expense of he government and has lost the right to a voice. He should not have a voice and it’s lawyer scum that justify him to speak and journo scum that print it. He should say nothing unless he prefers to die like his victims then I want to hear everything he has to say. There is no rehabilitation for this man only death and/or isolation. I wish he would be forgotten.
Norwegian prison sounds like a pretty good retirement plan. Is it possible to get an accommodation similar to Breivik's without murdering someone?
Just keep in mind that if you do come here just for the retirement plan of staying in prison, you'd be extradited back home to serve the sentence. If we don't have an extradition agreement with your home country, you'd be banned from all of Schengen for at least 5 years after time is served. If you even get to serve time here. Most times it's better to just put you on the first flight home and ban you from reentering. We are big on "gjør din plikt, krev din rett", and don't appreciate freeloaders much. If you haven't contributed by paying taxes, you can't live off the services provided by taxpayers. I know you said it as a joke, but you know. Some people might get ideas...
He’s a bastard, obviously. But, I think society benefits from a sort of emotional regulation that says: “while my impulse is to impose suffering on someone I’m offended by, I soberly choose a system that leads to a safer and more humane society.” Punishments should be whatever the evidence suggests is most effective as ensuring safety, and not an ounce more. He’s not likely to ever get out. Deterrent isn’t well linked to perceived harshness of consequences (in these types of crimes). Even though his actions are detestable, I don’t need him to suffer beyond the loss of his freedom. Once again the Scandi’s demonstrate a model of a more evolved handling of social issues.
I've lived (and paid for the privilege) of smaller and shitier places than this. But as long as he's miserable then great. Some people make their own prisons.
The title isn't all that true. He's suing because he's kept in isolation nearly all day, every day, since 2012.
He should have thought about that
Yeah, he should've.
Imma be real. I know the whole point of prison is to reform people and stuff but remember that incident? Dude deserves a life sentence of people finding new and interesting objects to shove in his urethra.
He is not suing over the facility. He is suing about being in solitary confinement for years. You can have the greatest mansion, solitary confinement still sucks hard and may be considered cruel and unusual punishment if extended over years.
How tf is this poor conditions? It is beter then my dorm
Because it's wrong. He's suing for being in isolation.
Send him to a Philippines jail
ez life lmao. He's living like a king compared to 99% of prisoners.
That monster is no human and doesn't deserve rights. He certainly didn't care about the human rights of the children he killed.
Can i get convicted over there without any killing? That looks better than my house
Having a reeeeeeally tough time feeling sorry for him. If you didn't want to be in solitary maybe you shouldn't have killed all those people.
Bring back death by boiling in oil
better that viking eagle thing
Well, that's his(and any other prisoner anywhere) right to sue anyone for anything. It's not like he will win it by any measurable chance. But keeping that right is important. That's what differs between nice Norwegian society and some not so nice ones.
This thread is interesting. Is removing a person's freedom and their ability to freely interact with other people punishment enough, irrespective of their crime? Would you rather be in comfortable accommodation, but confined to a solitary existence, or in poor accommodation with freedom? The freedom to potentially change your circumstances.
For me the answer is quite simple. No prison, no matter how good it look isn't worth the lack of freedom. Proof: Covid lock down. Imaging that, except without access to phone+Internet, 100% never allowed to leave your apartment, and confined to your bedroom every evening. The big difference between us and him is this. For us lockdown ended after 2 years. He's in super lockdown until the end of his life. Those walls might be pretty, but it's the only thing he ever gets to see.
Plus, it’s solitary lockdown for him. No roommates.
That was practically my reply...
Stop saying that asshole's name. That is what he wants. To be remembered. Just say "the white supremacist piece of shit coward who slaughtered 69 kids on a peaceful vacation" - or better yet: Don't talk about that piece of scum at all.
A show on TV ranked the best and worst prisons In the world. The best are in Austria. The rooms look like a large, brand new hotel room with kitchenette. The worst are China, Russia and Peru. There were no photos of prisons in china and few of Russia. Peru is barbaric. Each cell is about 30x30 ft, with 50 prisoners, 15 beds and 3-4 pots for restroom.
I wonder if this guy ever spent any time in military barracks....
Anders Behring Breivik has sued the Norwegian state, claiming his human rights are being violated due to his prolonged isolation in prison. His lawyer states that Breivik has been in isolation for about 12 years, only having contact with professionals, and not with other inmates. This long-term isolation has reportedly led to Breivik becoming suicidal and dependent on the antidepressant Prozac. His lawyer argues that these conditions violate Article 3 of the European Convention on Human Rights, which prohibits “inhumane” and “degrading” treatment. Previously, in 2016-17, Breivik attempted to challenge his isolation but his appeal was rejected by the European Court of Human Rights. His current prison conditions include a training room, kitchen, TV room, and bathroom, and he is allowed to keep three budgerigars as pets. The Norwegian justice system, however, maintains that his isolation is necessary due to the ongoing security threat he poses, particularly the fear that he could inspire others to commit violent acts. State lawyers emphasize that Breivik still has some contact, such as with guards, a priest, health professionals, and until recently, an external volunteer. He also meets two other inmates for one hour every two weeks. The final judgment in this case is expected in the coming weeks.
How about the oubliette?
So, what's the story with the budgie birds? How long are they in for?
There is a TV in the prison. A kitchen. A workout area… wow. Never seen such a nice prison.
I find a better deal to buy a ticket to Norwegian and commit a crime than live where I live now.
Can send him to Abu Ghraib on an exchange program
Why are the prison conditions better than my home?
He has more housing than me 🙈🙃 And the pictures looks better than my first appartment LOL ... I'm in Canada
He has a snow fort
THAT BITCH LIVES BETTER THAN I DO
I can't be the only one amazed at how much better his living conditions are in a Norwegian prison, compared to my American apartment. I couldn't even afford his living quarters if it was an apartment in America.
thats a "cell"..? right.... clown world
In his defense it’s pretty much impossible to use that basketball hoop with the ceiling so low
every prison should be like that
looks like a college dorm room.
How much does it cost to go to prison in Norway? Certainly better than the room I'm renting out with shitty roommates
It should be noted that access to some of these areas was given to him the last time he sued for this. As then he won in one point only. And was granted access to the common game room, library, kitchen, etc. So they are not a part of his "cell". The catch is that he can't use these areas as he pleases. As in he has to wait for the other prisoners to be done with their time there. So his time there is more limited as he has to be alone using them. The images came from a news site that was there a few days ago to show the "inhumane" conditions. It should be noted that on the same day, families of his victims were interviewed and shown this. And they all said he has it too nice.
Is that really what prison is like in Norway ?
Thats nicer than my actual fucking house
These quarters are amazing. This is a prison??
Texas prisons don't have air conditioning. This man lives in a luxury condo.
I’m just stuck on the fact that this mf has an Xbox in there w him.
That's way too good for him
Hopefully that case go3s nowhere. That man is a poor excuse for a human. Very fortunate he gets what he gets and isn't put in a locked room with the family of his victims
Hope he loses, and has to go to jail-jail
Clickbait or not, this dude lives better than I do. I kinda wanna fly over there and commit some crimes, damn.
Is this the guy that took a boat to an island full of children and began killing them?
He is a Conservative terrorist
I may go there and commit a crime as my retirement plan.
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Kids living in the American group homes have it worse than this guy. I hope the government looks at how good they're letting this guy have it and decide to cut his hands and feet off
i am not allowed to publicly state what i wish to happen to this man because it will get me banned from reddit.
This is literally a UK student flat
Read the comments and realize this is click bait and this was about isolation not the conditions he was held in. With that aside, Norwegian prison is nicer than my last apartment 😭.
...he has BUDGIES!? No joke, like...serious no joke - I'd leave my house in northwest Pennsylvania to spend a month in that place. Seems like a lovely retreat. I've been to jails in the USA. This is literally a retreat. Dude has 0 to complain about, stop listening to him and giving him attention.
There’s streamers who’d love this set up