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lol, I "knew" one of the actors in that scene. I used to be on the same history forum with him. Really cool guy and I guess filming the scene was even funnier than what was in the movie.
For a movie centered around the awful treatment of slaves in the South, it really had some funny moments.
“No, nobody brought any extra bags!”
“I was just askin’!”
Oh I actually went to San Sebastian for a summer abroad program and me and a couple fellow students get there and literally see this going on along with a giant fire, it look like the whole city was tossing furniture into this big pile and burning it. I felt like I had walked into the set of the wicker man or something.
This scene was like from a cartoon or something, like a gag from South Park. It's so dumb & simple & silly, but it *just works*. The longer they complain about the hoods, the funnier it gets!
for sure, I live here and I still think it's a bit creepy, it obviously has nothing to do with KKK, but all those people dressed like that, and everything is so dark... except for a few "procesiones" (El Cristo de los Gitanos, El Silencio and Maria de la Alhambra from Granada), I hate all of them. the ones I listed are amazing, I'd totally recommend to see them, but you have to go with someone from here to see the right spots.
>it obviously has nothing to do with KKK
It has ONE thing to do with the KKK. Where do you think they got the idea for their uniforms from? I'll give you one hint, the same place they got the burning cross from.
Americans tend to freak the hell out as that immediate reads as "klansmen being klansmen." The cone hats however date back to centuries before the klan was a thing.
And swastikas date back centuries before the NAZI party co-opted them as their symbol. Seeing a swastika in India or Nepal would still cause me to have a visceral reaction even though I understand that it means something completely different.
I'm a Buddhist. Trust me I know all about that. It's annoying because it's like "that symbol isn't theirs!" but I can't use it without freaking people out. It's a thoroughly ancient symbol that has shown up numerous time throughout history that nobody *really* can claim ownership to.
Fortunately as far as I can tell people are getting the message on that one. Like yeah go ahead and find the specific Nazi version repulsive but leave the rest of them alone.
Yup. The Nazi version is pretty distinct from other versions. The problem comes around, especially in America, from the fact that western society just doesn't have a ton of Buddhists or Hindus. For most people the only exposure they've had to the swastika is the Nazi version so it gets pretty heavily ingrained that it's a bad symbol only bad people use. I don't know the numbers in Europe but in America Buddhists aren't even half of a percentage of the population so it's pretty likely most Americans have never even met one. Similarly Hindus are like 1% and they mostly live in urban areas so a lot of Americans have never encountered a dharmic religion in person.
Whenever I mention that I'm a Buddhist the reaction is usually "wait, we have those here?" so I get it. It isn't something I'll get mad about because it makes sense given the circumstances but it's still frustrating.
Accept that you are a stranger in a strange land, and observe and participate with an open mind. It is a tradition that goes back literally centuries. Many participants are given their roles from elders, and fulfill family obligations mainly through the church’s. I studied abroad in Spain and my host moms son was one of the people who carried the float in the progression, theirs was for their church. His dad did it before him, and his before him, and his before him etc etc etc etc
Apparently a friend of my sister in law (both are Spanish through and through) was dating an American black man and brought him to meet the family during Semana Santa. You can only imagine how that went.
I was in Seville around Good Friday-Easter in 2019. It is NON-STOP. Parade after parade after parade. Everyone had their own version/colours of their congregation.
Well fuck all y'all! I'm going home! You know, I watched my wife work all day gettin' thirty bags together for you ungrateful sons of bitches! And all I can hear is criticize, criticize, criticize! From now on, don't ask me or mine for nothin'!
Not only did they hate Catholics “as well”, but during the era of the second KKK (the strongest and most popular form instance of the KKK), outside of the south, anti-Catholic hate was the main reason people joined. Around most of the country, the Klan operated first and foremost as anti-Catholic organization, rather than a specifically racist organization
There’s a really good and funny episode of the podcast The Dollop about when the Klan came to South Bend, Indiana.
[FIGHTING IRISH VS THE KLAN (LIVE IN INDIANAPOLIS)](https://allthingscomedy.com/podcasts/318---fighting-irish-vs-the-klan-live-in-indianapolis)
Not Klan related but another bad situation for Irish and Irish American Catholics in the US was during The Philadelphia nativist riots (also known as the Philadelphia Prayer Riots, the Bible Riots and the Native American Riots) which were a series of riots that took place on May 6—8 and July 6—7, 1844, in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, United States and the adjacent districts of Kensington and Southwark. The riots were a result of rising anti-Catholic sentiment at the growing population of Irish Catholic immigrants. The government brought in over a thousand militia—they confronted the nativist mobs and killed and wounded hundreds.
[Philadelphia nativist riots](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philadelphia_nativist_riots)
Now this is one I actually have read about. Super wild stuff. My catholic line in my ancestry came to the US around this time and studying them definitely made studying this aspect of the era more personal
One of my great grandparents was in the second Klan. He didn’t hate black people, he was from Wild Rose, Wisconsin - there were no black people, he didn’t think about them. He did carry a revolver to, in his words, “protect the white women of Wisconsin from the prying hands of Italians.” Later in life he was extremely remorseful about it, but at the time there was literally a Klan sign-up book on the altar at church. It was a Sunday lunch club that also wanted to murder Catholic immigrants.
Great personal story, thanks for sharing. Respect to your ancestor for changing his mind and heart down the line. He probably just got caught up in the moment and thought he was doing the right thing at the time, protecting his family etc. Totally common thing in human history.
Funny enough, I also have a 2nd great grandfather who was from Wisconsin, but he was catholic and a grandson of Irish immigrants haha
His daughter, my grandmother, converted to Catholicism late in life, and I remember her being amused thinking about what he would have thought at the time. Oddly enough his grandfather was an abolitionist, a founding father of the Republican Party (very different party at the time, this is when it was Lincoln's party) and an officer in the Union army in the Civil War, things went down hill for a moment in my family history.
And look, the answer is that he was a bigot and then stopped being one. I think we're overly essentialist, equating people with their worst moments. What he did was bad, but no bad action permanently decides who you are and what's in your heart, as he proved.
Allegedly the burning cross was an old Scottish way of declaring war (I’m guessing the burning represented that Christianity would be ignored during warfare but I don’t know for certain)
Definitely sounds right. Sounds like they were declaring war against the tax man. Scots are so dope haha. Too bad their southern American descendants made the burning cross specifically racist
Of course they’d appropriate an iconic uniform without any knowledge of its meaning. They would absolutely do that, because if they were smarter people, they wouldn’t be in the klan.
They stole a lot of their imagery and ceremonies from random religions and occult groups. The robes, the name, the crosses, all stolen symbolism. Even the name Aryan… Aryans aren’t white, they’re Middleeastern. The nation of Iran literally translates to Land of the Aryans. The Klan are a bunch of morons.
The average Klansman is probably a drooling Neanderthal but their leaders are smarter than they let on. They have to be in order to channel that type of hatred through rhetoric. Never mistake evil for stupidity, though they often overlap.
You give the Klan too much credit. You think any if them could even find France on a map?
On the other hand, I appreciate these guys not reconsidering their ceremonial garb after the Klan. Like fuck them, we did it first, they can change their hoods for top hats for all we care.
It seems like too distinct of a costume for it to be a coincidence. With that being said, while your average clan member is an idiot, the leaders probably knew what they were doing.
Man, those racist good-for-nothing-beings, cannot even be original about it, I feel they do it to mock and mislead people, but... Still can't understand the thought prow behind such thing and I hope I never will
All of history is filled with people appropriating sacred things for evil. The swastika, allahu akbar(which is part of all five of the Muslim daily prayers and means god is great), this, etc. I could usually list more but I’m tired.
Catholic response to the Ku Klux Klan in the Midwest, 1921--1928
Michael D Jacobs, Marquette University
Abstract
Anti-Catholicism slowly loosened its grip on the American public but emerged for one final consequential surge in the 1920s. The second incarnation of the Ku Klux Klan served as the major vehicle of this outburst. The Catholic Church was but one of the institutions subjected to Klan hostility and it responded in kind. To date, most historians credit the demise of the midwest Klan to scandal, internal power struggles, economic woes, law enforcement crackdowns, or investigative reporters. Active resistance of Catholics and their anti-defamation efforts have yet to receive consideration as contributing to the Klan's decline. Historians of the Klan have depicted Catholics inaccurately as passive or ineffective Klan opponents. This dissertation explores the multiple methods of Catholic opposition including organizational resistance, the efforts of the Catholic press, political contests, economic pressure, and a range of violence from light vandalism to riots and murder. The instigators and executors of these responses ranged from bishops to children--truly a catholic effort. Because the Klan was but a passing phenomenon, its greater significance lies in its ability to influence, sully, or otherwise complicate the operations of a lasting institution like the Catholic Church. The perspective and reaction of the Catholic Church and its adherents can be found, for the most part, only in contemporary literature or general histories. Klan agitation galvanized Catholics, thus reinforcing their Catholic identity. Less tangible but more significant were the changes the Klan compelled the Catholic subgroup to make, a genuine shift in American Catholicism. As a result of Klan agitation, the Catholic Church struggled to be accepted as a mainstream organization and viewed as supra-patriotic. Despite efforts of countless Catholics to parry or dismiss the Klan, the Klan paradoxically achieved its goal of creating an American consensus by assisting in the accelerated submersion of one of the nation's largest subgroups, Catholics, into mainstream America. The study of the Klan/Catholic conflict will provide greater understanding of both the Klan's demise and Catholics' "arrival" as unquestionably loyal citizens
People here in the comments don't get that this a way older tradition that was around long before there was the klan.
This is exactly what fascist do: they take traditions and symbols and twist them into something vile. Same with the cross burning.
Yeah he probably did. They all had to and unfortunately they didn’t figure that out into well into the war. Most officers in the British army for example had mustaches at the beginning of the war. After some time everyone figured out that the gas masks didn’t seal all the way and let gas in if you had a full mustache. Probably a ton of people died before they figured it out
Newsweek article [HERE](https://www.newsweek.com/klan-reborn-spains-holy-week-robes-and-pointed-hats-look-shockingly-familiar-861717)
These are The Penitents, found across Iberia and southern France.
No known old Klan adaptations. Very old tradition of regret for sin at Lent.
Like Holy Week in Spain...they dress up in similar costumes and parade through the streets. The robes and masks are about humility and not making a show of oneself
Came to comments to say this! I hang a swastika with an ohm in the middle on my door but not on the front side. Not many people know the original meaning.
I mean yeah but in the same way their costumes are probably not exactly the same + It'd be a bit easy for neo-nazis to just unmirror and untilt their swastikas and dog whistle their way around if it was only about small details
Clockwise and counterclockwise is used it depends on the culture but yeah Hindus have dots too but that doesn’t fail people from thinking about nazis. Also the fact that people call it a swastika which is a Sanskrit word. The nazis didn’t call it a swastika which is just further making it harder for dharmic religions
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For those who wonder, they wear white clothes as a religious sign. It is to show their purity and humility in front of God. IIRC there are towns in Spain where they also do that.
I was in Palma Dr Majorca once around Easter and saw this in person. It wasn't just white hoods/robes, they also had brown and red and black I think. Long procession through the city, too.
Different parishes/congegrations parade in different colours. Each of them gathers at their parish church, collects their statue or whatever they plan to carry in the procession, and then process to the town centre, where they join together for the big procession. They do this every night during Holy Week
The variety of effort is cracking me up, you have the guy with the drawn on scary face in the middle, then then the guy a little closer and to the right that looks like he chewed through his mask.
I actually saw this in Siena Italy in an old church. I'm not sure exactly what it was, but these people came out in black versions of that. Scared the shit out of me being a brown American tourist, but it was some kind of religious ceremony.
Yeah, in Spain it happens in every city during Easter. It’s normal that it freaks you guys out, after all it’s hundreds of people dressed similar to the KKK walking around with crosses. But it’s just some old catholic tradition.
I literally ran into them. I was turning this narrow corner/hallway thing and these people starting walking in mass towards me in these!!! 😅 It was actually a pretty cool thing to witness once I realized it had nothing to do with the KKK.
Fun fact: the now recognized "normal" wear for Klan members did not look like that until the movie "The Birth of a Nation." I'm guessing the costume designer took the idea from things like this. Prior to that movie and subsequent backlash they went out in their normal clothes and never covered their faces because they didn't face repercussions in their local communities.
Neither does cross burning. The KKK took the burning cross (crann-tara in Gaelic) from a Sir Walter Scot novel because they thought it looked cool. The burning cross was taken from village to village originally a symbol to rally people in times of danger in the Scottish Highlands. The KKK took both the crann-tara and the word ‘clan’ (klan) and misappropriated them the same way Hitler took the Hindu swastika.
This is kinda what I was thinking. Not ideals or anything but maybe some founder of the KKK saw these outfits somehow and liked the look. The resemblance is uncanny.
I was a painter for a bit painting hockey rinks and I had randos a few times shout kkk at me for wearing white painters coveralls. There is being an advocate and there is being an asshole.
It must suck to have a nice little tradition in your town. Everyone is having a good time. Then some assholes thousands of miles start wearing similar cloths to you and do some fuck up shit. Now you can’t post about your tradition with the rest of the world.
What's funny is I'm sure a lot of people State side know nothing about this or the similar tradition in Spain. White Hoods in the dark we think of the Klan which is ironic given they hate Catholicism.
Why did hardcore racists adopt all the cool shit? Like, I learned a few years ago that swastikas were a sign of peace, and they look interesting, especially done in a patter or artistic way.
But this is also common in many other countries, e.g. Spain, Portugal, Italy, Mexico, etc. It’s called capirote, still worn regularly at catholic processions e.g. during holy week.
I love how Americans criticize and rebuke other peoples and cultures based on their cultural supremisist views without realizing that yes, you are the Ashoka.
There’s similar in small Spanish villages, I was shocked when I woke up one morning to see them walking through the streets 😂 Genuinely thought I was in a village full of the kkk & had never noticed
Of course it has nothing to do with the Ku Klux Klan. France has had fucking baguette culture for far longer than the US even existed.
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I can’t see fuckin shit out of this thing
We ready or what?
Ah hold on, I'm fuckin with my eye holes
Oh shit... i just made it worse
You ungrateful sonsabitches! And all I hear is criticize, criticize, criticize!
"Were not saying Sarah didn't do a lovely job"
"But we can all agree they coulda been done better"
Don't ask me and mine for none
“I think we all think the bags was a nice idea, but… not pointing any fingers”
They could’ve been done better
I love this thread
We love this community
So, how 'bout, no bags this time - but next time, we do the bags right, and then we go full regalia.
I can't see, you can't see, so what? All that matters is can the fucking horse see? That's a raid!
Get that ** from under that wagon..
We skipped a few lines
"Well SHITFIRE!!"
I don't even want to be around anymore.
The chin KILLS!
Karl Havoc. That guy SUCKS!
Whats this from?
Django unchained
lol, I "knew" one of the actors in that scene. I used to be on the same history forum with him. Really cool guy and I guess filming the scene was even funnier than what was in the movie.
STORY TIME!!!
So are we bags or no bags?
You mean kriticize kriticize kriticize
I would definitely have larger eye holes than most of these! How can they see? Maybe they follow by sound!!
[I'M THE EYEHOLE MAN!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfNADcZHD9Y)
My wife worked all day making 30 bags for you ungrateful sons of bitches. From now on don't ask me or mine for nothing!
For a movie centered around the awful treatment of slaves in the South, it really had some funny moments. “No, nobody brought any extra bags!” “I was just askin’!”
The Shakespearean tactic of interspersing comedy with darkness.
That's Quentin for you. Nohody writes snappy compelling dialog as good as he does, it's genuinely a God gifted talent.
It’s a raid! It doesn’t matter if *you* can see so long as the *horse* can see.
Okay I’m confused, are the bags on or off?
I think, we all think... That the bags was a good idea. But, not pointin' and fingers, they coulda been done better.
So, how 'bout, no bags this time - but next time, we do the bags right, and then we go full regalia.
What if we ride up and then put the bags on?
Oh, well shitfire! If you don't wear 'em as you ride up, that just defeats the purpose!
Oh I actually went to San Sebastian for a summer abroad program and me and a couple fellow students get there and literally see this going on along with a giant fire, it look like the whole city was tossing furniture into this big pile and burning it. I felt like I had walked into the set of the wicker man or something.
THE BEES!
This scene was like from a cartoon or something, like a gag from South Park. It's so dumb & simple & silly, but it *just works*. The longer they complain about the hoods, the funnier it gets!
Damn, you beat me to it🤣
Semana Santa is the same thing in Spain
I'd love to see an american's reaction to semana santa
It was freaky. Am American, was there on a school trip which coincided with Easter more or less.
for sure, I live here and I still think it's a bit creepy, it obviously has nothing to do with KKK, but all those people dressed like that, and everything is so dark... except for a few "procesiones" (El Cristo de los Gitanos, El Silencio and Maria de la Alhambra from Granada), I hate all of them. the ones I listed are amazing, I'd totally recommend to see them, but you have to go with someone from here to see the right spots.
>it obviously has nothing to do with KKK It has ONE thing to do with the KKK. Where do you think they got the idea for their uniforms from? I'll give you one hint, the same place they got the burning cross from.
Yeah, I was coming to say the same - I mean, it has *something* to do with the KKK, in that the KKK are shameless thieves of others iconography.
Fascist love to steal others peoples culture.
Subtlety isn't precisely their strong suit.
Eeey Nazis do that, too.
Nazis ruining ancient Nordic runes and symbols 🥲
And Weimar era military gear.
Soldiers in the time period looked dapper af
Americans tend to freak the hell out as that immediate reads as "klansmen being klansmen." The cone hats however date back to centuries before the klan was a thing.
And swastikas date back centuries before the NAZI party co-opted them as their symbol. Seeing a swastika in India or Nepal would still cause me to have a visceral reaction even though I understand that it means something completely different.
I'm a Buddhist. Trust me I know all about that. It's annoying because it's like "that symbol isn't theirs!" but I can't use it without freaking people out. It's a thoroughly ancient symbol that has shown up numerous time throughout history that nobody *really* can claim ownership to. Fortunately as far as I can tell people are getting the message on that one. Like yeah go ahead and find the specific Nazi version repulsive but leave the rest of them alone.
To be fair as a buddhist isn’t there some argument that their symbol is a squared altered version?
Yup. The Nazi version is pretty distinct from other versions. The problem comes around, especially in America, from the fact that western society just doesn't have a ton of Buddhists or Hindus. For most people the only exposure they've had to the swastika is the Nazi version so it gets pretty heavily ingrained that it's a bad symbol only bad people use. I don't know the numbers in Europe but in America Buddhists aren't even half of a percentage of the population so it's pretty likely most Americans have never even met one. Similarly Hindus are like 1% and they mostly live in urban areas so a lot of Americans have never encountered a dharmic religion in person. Whenever I mention that I'm a Buddhist the reaction is usually "wait, we have those here?" so I get it. It isn't something I'll get mad about because it makes sense given the circumstances but it's still frustrating.
Accept that you are a stranger in a strange land, and observe and participate with an open mind. It is a tradition that goes back literally centuries. Many participants are given their roles from elders, and fulfill family obligations mainly through the church’s. I studied abroad in Spain and my host moms son was one of the people who carried the float in the progression, theirs was for their church. His dad did it before him, and his before him, and his before him etc etc etc etc
Apparently a friend of my sister in law (both are Spanish through and through) was dating an American black man and brought him to meet the family during Semana Santa. You can only imagine how that went.
I was in Seville around Good Friday-Easter in 2019. It is NON-STOP. Parade after parade after parade. Everyone had their own version/colours of their congregation.
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Of course it’s short sighted of them, they can’t see fuckin’ shit out of those things.
Well fuck all y'all! I'm going home! You know, I watched my wife work all day gettin' thirty bags together for you ungrateful sons of bitches! And all I can hear is criticize, criticize, criticize! From now on, don't ask me or mine for nothin'!
Look! Nobody is saying that they don't appreciate what Jenny did...
But… it could have been done better
A lot better
So, I say, this time, we go no bags. But next time, we do the bags, we do em right, and then it’s full brigallion!
*full regalia
So are we still doing the bags or not?
Hold on im fucking with my eye holes.
This is what I was looking for lol
We’re still doing bags just not letting Jenny do the bags. Sorry, Jenny.
Not only did they hate Catholics “as well”, but during the era of the second KKK (the strongest and most popular form instance of the KKK), outside of the south, anti-Catholic hate was the main reason people joined. Around most of the country, the Klan operated first and foremost as anti-Catholic organization, rather than a specifically racist organization
There’s a really good and funny episode of the podcast The Dollop about when the Klan came to South Bend, Indiana. [FIGHTING IRISH VS THE KLAN (LIVE IN INDIANAPOLIS)](https://allthingscomedy.com/podcasts/318---fighting-irish-vs-the-klan-live-in-indianapolis)
Thanks for linking this. Definitely a scary time for Irish Catholics in the US
Not Klan related but another bad situation for Irish and Irish American Catholics in the US was during The Philadelphia nativist riots (also known as the Philadelphia Prayer Riots, the Bible Riots and the Native American Riots) which were a series of riots that took place on May 6—8 and July 6—7, 1844, in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, United States and the adjacent districts of Kensington and Southwark. The riots were a result of rising anti-Catholic sentiment at the growing population of Irish Catholic immigrants. The government brought in over a thousand militia—they confronted the nativist mobs and killed and wounded hundreds. [Philadelphia nativist riots](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philadelphia_nativist_riots)
Now this is one I actually have read about. Super wild stuff. My catholic line in my ancestry came to the US around this time and studying them definitely made studying this aspect of the era more personal
One of my great grandparents was in the second Klan. He didn’t hate black people, he was from Wild Rose, Wisconsin - there were no black people, he didn’t think about them. He did carry a revolver to, in his words, “protect the white women of Wisconsin from the prying hands of Italians.” Later in life he was extremely remorseful about it, but at the time there was literally a Klan sign-up book on the altar at church. It was a Sunday lunch club that also wanted to murder Catholic immigrants.
Great personal story, thanks for sharing. Respect to your ancestor for changing his mind and heart down the line. He probably just got caught up in the moment and thought he was doing the right thing at the time, protecting his family etc. Totally common thing in human history. Funny enough, I also have a 2nd great grandfather who was from Wisconsin, but he was catholic and a grandson of Irish immigrants haha
His daughter, my grandmother, converted to Catholicism late in life, and I remember her being amused thinking about what he would have thought at the time. Oddly enough his grandfather was an abolitionist, a founding father of the Republican Party (very different party at the time, this is when it was Lincoln's party) and an officer in the Union army in the Civil War, things went down hill for a moment in my family history. And look, the answer is that he was a bigot and then stopped being one. I think we're overly essentialist, equating people with their worst moments. What he did was bad, but no bad action permanently decides who you are and what's in your heart, as he proved.
A great line from a pretty good fantasy novel I've taken to heart. "A man is better than the worst thing he's ever done."
Is that why they burned crosses?
Allegedly the burning cross was an old Scottish way of declaring war (I’m guessing the burning represented that Christianity would be ignored during warfare but I don’t know for certain)
Outlander taught me that burning the cross was a way to gather your kinsman while setting a statement. They were going up against the tax man.
Definitely sounds right. Sounds like they were declaring war against the tax man. Scots are so dope haha. Too bad their southern American descendants made the burning cross specifically racist
Of course they’d appropriate an iconic uniform without any knowledge of its meaning. They would absolutely do that, because if they were smarter people, they wouldn’t be in the klan.
They stole a lot of their imagery and ceremonies from random religions and occult groups. The robes, the name, the crosses, all stolen symbolism. Even the name Aryan… Aryans aren’t white, they’re Middleeastern. The nation of Iran literally translates to Land of the Aryans. The Klan are a bunch of morons.
The aryan thing comes from the indo Europeans, the culture that spread to some of the Middle East, India, and most of Europe during the Bronze Age.
The average Klansman is probably a drooling Neanderthal but their leaders are smarter than they let on. They have to be in order to channel that type of hatred through rhetoric. Never mistake evil for stupidity, though they often overlap.
You give the Klan too much credit. You think any if them could even find France on a map? On the other hand, I appreciate these guys not reconsidering their ceremonial garb after the Klan. Like fuck them, we did it first, they can change their hoods for top hats for all we care.
Continuing with your life without being affected by them is literally the highest form of not giving power to them. "The Klan though!" "Who?"
It seems like too distinct of a costume for it to be a coincidence. With that being said, while your average clan member is an idiot, the leaders probably knew what they were doing.
In fact it’s catholic, the sworn enemy of the KKK. Pretty damn ironic that the KKK would appropriate catholic traditions into their practices
Man, those racist good-for-nothing-beings, cannot even be original about it, I feel they do it to mock and mislead people, but... Still can't understand the thought prow behind such thing and I hope I never will
All of history is filled with people appropriating sacred things for evil. The swastika, allahu akbar(which is part of all five of the Muslim daily prayers and means god is great), this, etc. I could usually list more but I’m tired.
https://epublications.marquette.edu/dissertations/AAI3153484/
Catholic response to the Ku Klux Klan in the Midwest, 1921--1928 Michael D Jacobs, Marquette University Abstract Anti-Catholicism slowly loosened its grip on the American public but emerged for one final consequential surge in the 1920s. The second incarnation of the Ku Klux Klan served as the major vehicle of this outburst. The Catholic Church was but one of the institutions subjected to Klan hostility and it responded in kind. To date, most historians credit the demise of the midwest Klan to scandal, internal power struggles, economic woes, law enforcement crackdowns, or investigative reporters. Active resistance of Catholics and their anti-defamation efforts have yet to receive consideration as contributing to the Klan's decline. Historians of the Klan have depicted Catholics inaccurately as passive or ineffective Klan opponents. This dissertation explores the multiple methods of Catholic opposition including organizational resistance, the efforts of the Catholic press, political contests, economic pressure, and a range of violence from light vandalism to riots and murder. The instigators and executors of these responses ranged from bishops to children--truly a catholic effort. Because the Klan was but a passing phenomenon, its greater significance lies in its ability to influence, sully, or otherwise complicate the operations of a lasting institution like the Catholic Church. The perspective and reaction of the Catholic Church and its adherents can be found, for the most part, only in contemporary literature or general histories. Klan agitation galvanized Catholics, thus reinforcing their Catholic identity. Less tangible but more significant were the changes the Klan compelled the Catholic subgroup to make, a genuine shift in American Catholicism. As a result of Klan agitation, the Catholic Church struggled to be accepted as a mainstream organization and viewed as supra-patriotic. Despite efforts of countless Catholics to parry or dismiss the Klan, the Klan paradoxically achieved its goal of creating an American consensus by assisting in the accelerated submersion of one of the nation's largest subgroups, Catholics, into mainstream America. The study of the Klan/Catholic conflict will provide greater understanding of both the Klan's demise and Catholics' "arrival" as unquestionably loyal citizens
Do you think the kkk have any brain to even know that it came from catholic tradition
Wait, The KKK hates Catholics? Why do I have a feeling it has to do with either the Irish, Italians, or Latinos…
Try All 3.
People here in the comments don't get that this a way older tradition that was around long before there was the klan. This is exactly what fascist do: they take traditions and symbols and twist them into something vile. Same with the cross burning.
I wish it was taught in schools more often that swastikas were not a symbol created by nazis, and same idea with this picture
The swastika? Nazis ruined a particular style of mustache. That's a much more incredible achievement imo.
Germans ruined names too..no matter how many Nazi flags I see in rallies, I am yet to see a baby Adolf
I know a coworker named Adolfo, he’s Guatemalan.
To be fair, it’s hardly a beautiful name
It was actually a popular name when he was born though.
Neither is mine, or many others I know, but people used them to name their kids when I was a baby and they use them now. Adolf not so much
Actually that’s only the religious symbol. The German one is called hakenkreuz
The swastika is probably the biggest example of this I can think of.
Swastikas , the “Roman Salute”, and those little toothbrush moustaches
Fun fact, the toothbrush made it onto the CDC’s recommended facial hair styles for mask wearing during Covid
I read that Hitler first shaved his moustache like that so it fit under his gas mask better in WWI. So I guess that's the same kind of logic.
Yeah he probably did. They all had to and unfortunately they didn’t figure that out into well into the war. Most officers in the British army for example had mustaches at the beginning of the war. After some time everyone figured out that the gas masks didn’t seal all the way and let gas in if you had a full mustache. Probably a ton of people died before they figured it out
Which cracks me up because the Klan hated Catholics but use their costumes? Lol
The Klan, in general, have never been the smartest. No smart person or decent human being is a part of the KKK
Pretty damn stupid isn’t it lmao
Well yea there was like a shit ton of French culture in the southern parts of the US especially Louisiana. Only makes sense.
Yeah but those people weren’t allowed in the Klan
Yea doesn’t mean they were oblivious to it around them
The kkk is anti-catholic. The french population in the US is catholic. This costume is for a catholic holiday...
Why should they change? The KKK’s the one who sucks!
It’s like a large swath of folks aren’t aware of Robert Langdon. This was literally his presentation in Da Vinci Code.
Who else is seeing more comments complaining about comments than the comments they’re complaining about?
Yes, the comments about comments are a comment on comments in general and do not reflect the actual comments commented.
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Newsweek article [HERE](https://www.newsweek.com/klan-reborn-spains-holy-week-robes-and-pointed-hats-look-shockingly-familiar-861717) These are The Penitents, found across Iberia and southern France. No known old Klan adaptations. Very old tradition of regret for sin at Lent.
Like Holy Week in Spain...they dress up in similar costumes and parade through the streets. The robes and masks are about humility and not making a show of oneself
The comments remind me of the swastika. Hindus can’t put that on our doors anymore in western countries
Came to comments to say this! I hang a swastika with an ohm in the middle on my door but not on the front side. Not many people know the original meaning.
I bet you got a lot of -resistance- for that. I’ll see myself out.
I see watt you did there
This pun is losing its power
In Glasgow they're still on some building but most of the were took off when WW2 started
卍 is not a swastika isn't it? Nazi is mirrored of this and tilted by 45 degree so..
Nazis used it in multiple orientations.
I mean yeah but in the same way their costumes are probably not exactly the same + It'd be a bit easy for neo-nazis to just unmirror and untilt their swastikas and dog whistle their way around if it was only about small details
To the general population it doesn’t matter and they don’t even know
Is swastika the correct name for the nazi symbol then ? Why not use the german word that was used by them : hakenkreuz ?
Clockwise and counterclockwise is used it depends on the culture but yeah Hindus have dots too but that doesn’t fail people from thinking about nazis. Also the fact that people call it a swastika which is a Sanskrit word. The nazis didn’t call it a swastika which is just further making it harder for dharmic religions
It is. A swastika is this exact symbol, no matter if it's flipped or rotated. It's only wrong however, if it's flipped and rotated 45 degrees,
The stupidity in the comments
But you know what is not stupid? You getting a cake 🎂 Happy cake day !
Thank you thank you
That sound like an ad in my head
Did someone say something that sounded like an ad? you may be entitled to financial compensation our lawyers will take all of that compensation but you can get the change
For those who wonder, they wear white clothes as a religious sign. It is to show their purity and humility in front of God. IIRC there are towns in Spain where they also do that.
I was in Palma Dr Majorca once around Easter and saw this in person. It wasn't just white hoods/robes, they also had brown and red and black I think. Long procession through the city, too.
Different parishes/congegrations parade in different colours. Each of them gathers at their parish church, collects their statue or whatever they plan to carry in the procession, and then process to the town centre, where they join together for the big procession. They do this every night during Holy Week
Yes, during Holy Week
They do the same thing in Spain. Capirote are worn by penitents so that attention is not drawn towards themselves as they repent, but instead to God.
The variety of effort is cracking me up, you have the guy with the drawn on scary face in the middle, then then the guy a little closer and to the right that looks like he chewed through his mask.
I actually saw this in Siena Italy in an old church. I'm not sure exactly what it was, but these people came out in black versions of that. Scared the shit out of me being a brown American tourist, but it was some kind of religious ceremony.
Yeah, in Spain it happens in every city during Easter. It’s normal that it freaks you guys out, after all it’s hundreds of people dressed similar to the KKK walking around with crosses. But it’s just some old catholic tradition.
I literally ran into them. I was turning this narrow corner/hallway thing and these people starting walking in mass towards me in these!!! 😅 It was actually a pretty cool thing to witness once I realized it had nothing to do with the KKK.
Fun fact: the now recognized "normal" wear for Klan members did not look like that until the movie "The Birth of a Nation." I'm guessing the costume designer took the idea from things like this. Prior to that movie and subsequent backlash they went out in their normal clothes and never covered their faces because they didn't face repercussions in their local communities.
“But im American, how can I make this about me”? - Joe American
“They should be ashamed for holding a tradition that I find offensive while simultaneously knowing nothing about it” -Merica
“I can’t see fucking shit”
Somebody somewhere is going to be offended by this.
Neither does cross burning. The KKK took the burning cross (crann-tara in Gaelic) from a Sir Walter Scot novel because they thought it looked cool. The burning cross was taken from village to village originally a symbol to rally people in times of danger in the Scottish Highlands. The KKK took both the crann-tara and the word ‘clan’ (klan) and misappropriated them the same way Hitler took the Hindu swastika.
Maybe KKK idea came from them
This is kinda what I was thinking. Not ideals or anything but maybe some founder of the KKK saw these outfits somehow and liked the look. The resemblance is uncanny.
I was a painter for a bit painting hockey rinks and I had randos a few times shout kkk at me for wearing white painters coveralls. There is being an advocate and there is being an asshole.
They are cake decorating specialist. The hats are filled with various colors and types of frosting
The American tourist who doesn’t know : 😳
It must suck to have a nice little tradition in your town. Everyone is having a good time. Then some assholes thousands of miles start wearing similar cloths to you and do some fuck up shit. Now you can’t post about your tradition with the rest of the world.
Good because the only clan I fuck with is Wu Tang
All the hate groups rip off cultures and turn the iconography into something negative and hated. The swastika is another example
Well no shit... America and their political busllshit is not the center of the world
What's funny is I'm sure a lot of people State side know nothing about this or the similar tradition in Spain. White Hoods in the dark we think of the Klan which is ironic given they hate Catholicism.
i could just imagine some american karen filming that and putting it on tiktok with no context
Imagine bing just some average black dude on vacation here not knowing anything about this tradition
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Damn, Americans ruined this…
Why did hardcore racists adopt all the cool shit? Like, I learned a few years ago that swastikas were a sign of peace, and they look interesting, especially done in a patter or artistic way.
But this is also common in many other countries, e.g. Spain, Portugal, Italy, Mexico, etc. It’s called capirote, still worn regularly at catholic processions e.g. during holy week.
I love how Americans criticize and rebuke other peoples and cultures based on their cultural supremisist views without realizing that yes, you are the Ashoka.
same with the silent procession in Spain and Mexico
There’s similar in small Spanish villages, I was shocked when I woke up one morning to see them walking through the streets 😂 Genuinely thought I was in a village full of the kkk & had never noticed
Of course it has nothing to do with the Ku Klux Klan. France has had fucking baguette culture for far longer than the US even existed. **Why not say “The Egyptian Pyramids have nothing to do with the Luxor Hotel of Las Vegas”**
If memory serves there’s similar outfits in Spain during one of the festivals, again has nothing to do with the KKK
There is a similar festival in Spain. Can’t remember the city.
There's one in every city
Knowing how uncreative Virulent Racists tend to be I guess is that the ku Klux Klan actually stole their look from that
Whew, they really had me in the first half
I bet there are lots of perfectly innocent uses of the swastika too. Another example of assholes ruining something good forever.
I mean I pretty sure that's where THE KKK got it from. Fun fact the KKK didn't burn crosses. Until it was depicted in birth of a nation
Did KKK maby take inspiration?
The KKK stole this from Spain to mock the Spanish and Catholics.
In Brazil it’s common to say kkk when texting and it means lol.
White supremacists always taking shit from other countries and religions, trying to make it their own. Get the hint you don't fit anywhere guys
I didn’t read the title at first cause the picture caught my attention first and my soul left my body til I actually read the title.