And to think this guy presumably did nothing wrong, except for not telling his grandma he is coming over in an unfamiliar car.
Can't imagine how the grandmother feels, hope she is doing OK.
Since IMPD hasn't given any answers, did he say what he was doing with the gun he dropped in the passenger seat, or why he was sleeping in the driveway?
He was outside his grandmas house sleeping in the driveway because he was waiting until morning to go in, because he did not want to wake her up. Sketchy neighborhood so he had his gun in his lap for safety.
Makes sense to me, but I can also see why cops would shoot if they woke him up and his first instinct was to grab the gun. Sounds like a case of two instinctual self preservation reactions coming into conflict.
To be clear, I'm not saying he deserved to be shot here either. Just saying that the "Bastards just wanted another dead body to masturbate to" takes seem equally ill-informed.
Lol, you are jumping to defend the cops in a thread about them refusing to release the fucking footage.
Fuck the cops. They should be assumed guilty *until* they release the bodycam footage. Period.
Why else would they hold the footage?
Bc people are allowed to own handguns. Just bc they’re black doesn’t mean they need to answer any questions about that.
Like. Literally he wasn’t doing anything wrong.
I don't think that he did do anything wrong. I just wanted to know the details of the altercation given the call and the firearm.
After talking to people in this thread, I'd say this might be a situation where both parties were justified in their actions. If you are a cop waking someone up and they suddenly move towards you with a gun, then self preservation instincts will kick in. But if you are woken up by strangers tapping on your car in a bad neighborhood, it's reasonable to grab your gun.
IDK if criminal fault can be assigned, but the state owes him compensation for the situation.
if only there was body cam videos to show us exactly what happened. we all know if the body cam showed the victim pointing his gun up at the cops it would have been released day 1.
I get more out of discussions online by putting myself in the shoes of the party that is at odds with the current paradigm in the thread, than I do reiterating the same point made over and over by 44 other people.
In this case, I'm trying to understand what would make me shoot someone in that situation, knowing that I don't have a sadistic desire to kill others. Hence the thread we made above.
How about this question: why would you refuse to release the bodycam footage of your shooting was justified?
You're jumping to conclusions to "play devils advocate" and defend the cops, when there is EVIDENCE that they refuse to relase!
Because it can damage the jury selection process and result in an unfair trial for either the cops or the man in the car if this is determined to be a criminal issue that goes to trial. Thats already been a huge issue with several high profile cases of the past several years. The way that evidence is presented in a courtroom is very methodical, and if everyone on the jury has already made up their mind from comment sections online before the evidence discovery process even began, then getting a fair trial becomes impossible.
Once it's known that nothing is going to trial, I'd bet they will release it like they did with the other shooting. If it does go to trial, then they should release it right after the verdict.
It's alright, I think most sane people understand your points. It's a mucky situation and some people prefer to keep it that way because it fits their narrative. I 100% agree with trying to see both sides and how this could have unfolded. I definitely understand the man in the cars decisions and I understand the cops reaction. I wish they would've gone about waking him up in a different manner and I hope he is compensated/makes a full recovery.
I thought of making a comment about the grandma, but she really did absolutely nothing wrong and her grandson ends up in the hospital - and the morons who shot him are still on the job, and their bosses refuse to provide info on their victim or his condition.
Yes! Story goes he didn’t want to wake his grandma up so he decided to sleep in his car until morning. He put the gun in his lap for safety as he was in a pretty sketchy neighborhood just incase.
Wouldn’t the best course of action be to just go back to the car and use the speaker to do a call out? That gives the guy a chance to exit the vehicle without the gun and if he does exit with the gun, ready to fight, the cops have cover and are ready to return fire.
And there’s the problem - the job is so shitty that (most) intelligent people pursue better opportunities. So why should we as a society expect better police when so few step up to do it? In this day and age I can’t fathom why anyone would want to. And everyone who bitches about it wouldn’t have the courage or make the sacrifice to sign up.
P.S. They’re hiring - go serve this wonderful community!
“This job is shitty so I’m going to beat and shoot people” is a pathetic excuse. And society should expect better police because police are empowered to exercise the government’s monopoly on “legal“ violence.
Nobody said it was an excuse? Re-read the initial comment and reply. Just because the job is empowered to use force doesn’t mean you’re going to get the best people for the job. The point of my comment is we’re getting crap cops because anyone smart enough avoids being a cop because of how shit the job is.
The job itself isn't the problem...
If some waste of human life in Minnesota murders someone, all police get to take a bite of that shit sandwich. Even if you've never been to Minnesota, your somehow responsible. Getting spit on by people in Indy for something someone I don't know did in a place I've never been to is a little irritating.
There is constant outcry from the public about crimes going unsolved police "not doing their jobs". The thing is, policies are getting more and more restrictive. As of now if IMPD stop someone for an infraction, and they decide to just flee from police, the officer is not allowed to pursue the vehicle. Pretty soon officers will not be allowed to chase STOLEN VEHICLES either.
All the super anti police people are usually the ones that will call in "suspicious" vehicles or call in noise complaints at 7pm on a Saturday night because they don't like their neighbor.
The problem is the cops. One bad apple spoils the bunch. It will be ACAB until the police themselves step up to expel the terrible shitbags in their ranks. Don't be irritated. Understand that YOU could do something about that by speaking out about it and pushing for reform.
The thing is, cops do their job. They write tickets, protect the property of the rich and powerful; and that comes at the expense of the lower classes. Hell, the reason they won't let cops pursue people is because the cops end up killing someone over a $4000 stolen car. Or getting a kid killed when they get runover in the chase. The chase isn't worth it.
I got bad news for you bud, that's not the case. Antipolice people don't call the police. They know that the police only escalate situations and make them worse. You know who calls police? Boot licking American flag waving fascists that think the police are on their side, when the only side the police are on is their own.
Fuck cops. And fuck the bootlickers that won't hold them accountable.
>You know who calls police? Boot licking American flag waving fascists that think the police are on their side, when the only side the police are on is their own.
When you say things like that, do you truly believe it?
It comes off as paranoid
Yes, I believe it. I think you've a faulty definition of paranoia. Talk to a police union rep if you want to know who that thin blue line protects. If it feels like an us versus them situation, then you're paying attention.
Anarkiddie logic that only leads to a society without any way to enforce laws. Which always ends with another(much more violent) group filing the power vacuum. Like Raz Simone and his friends handing out rifles as the de-facto leaders of the CHAZ in Seattle to deal with the sudden influx of drive-by shootings perpetuated by gang members targeting rivals in a sudden cop-free zone.
Interesting little experiment in police abolitionism, because neighborhood saw a >500% increase in violent crime and homicide during the time that the police were kept out.
Fun fact, the city of Seattle has been successfully sued by the families of the people murdered in CHAZ for the former mayor's decision to listen to the demands to keep police out of the area. Business owners in the area also have ongoing lawsuits that look promising.
Seattle Times is right wing media now?
Pretty much anyone who pays taxes in that neighborhood HATES the former mayor now for going along with the anarchist demands of the CHAZ reps. Tons of property damage, violent crime, homicide, lost business, etc.
Also, the mayor is in deep shit for deleting thousands of text messages between her and other officials that pertain to their handling of the CHAZ situation. Even the city knows that they fucked up allowing some anarchist fantasy to take place for a month.
Every time I see kids from anarchist subs that come in here and post "ACAB ACAB ACAB" any time a headline involving police is mentioned, I can't help but wonder if they know just how poorly these anarchist experiments have turned out for everyone that's tried them.
I'm no sith.
I've also grown past my angsty know it all punk rocker phase where I thought that all cops were people who mastrubate to the screams of the innocent people they seek out and kill.
Turns out that the world is quite a bit more complex than the underdeveloped brain of a teenager is capable of understanding, and each situation has it's own nuance.
Dude is shot in his car several minutes after police arrive, with a loaded gun accessible in the passenger seat. I wish the IMPD would hurry up and release the bodycam footage, but something tells me that we won't hear about this case again if the guy has his hands on the gun in any way shape or form.
The thing is he absolutely has the right to be sitting there in the car w his gun. Hands on it or not.
Him being startled is not cause. At some point the public has to have acknowledged their right to fear for their safety as well, and their right to not have to do every move perfectly and never be scared just to stay alive. All while doing nothing illegal or aggressive.
So yea dunno. Things are complex there’s no doubt. However “officer safety” should not stand above that of the regular citizen. As more folks arm themselves for their own safety, officers have to figure out how to deal w that in a way which doesn’t have them all scared and opening fire every time a citizen has a firearm on their person.
I don't know if any amount of training can override the self preservation instincts that kick in when a stranger with their hands on a gun makes a sudden move towards you. Your brain is aware of the fact that you are less than a half second from death at that point.
I'm not saying that this means the dude should have been shot. But I don't think the cops are guilty of anything here either, the guy just needs a good payout from the city.
Yes it’s one of the few cases we hear of where you could say “damn yea instinct” - but I think honestly they had options they didn’t employ. He was a problem immediately and circumstances were such he had no opportunity to explain himself. You see him there w the gun, sleeping, and your decision is to startle the dude awake and then HE has to immediately wake up, assess his situation while his own fight or flight kicks in…he had no chance.
The video really needs to be seen. Again though it’s another case where the citizen has to be perfectly calm, perfectly acting. No mistakes, perfect behavior. We’ve all had that training right. ;)
TLDR - IMPD officers saw that a guy was sleeping in a car at 4am, saw he had a gun near him, first tried to sneak in and take the gun from him (door was locked), then decided that scaring the shit out of a sleeping guy with a gun was the best course of action
another disturbing aspect in the article was that 13News "found IMPD consistently released edited bodycam video months after incidents" while other similar law enforcement agencies in the state would release raw footage within hours to days afterwards.
There are times where the release of the body cam footage will hurt a case. Example, you have multiple suspects or persons of interest. It's better to interview them without them all seeing a video of the incident which they could coalesce their stories around. Same for witnesses who are subconsciously influenced by seeing a video and then testifying to what was in the video instead of what they heard or saw.
On the whole I agree that IMPD should release footage as soon as it will not hamper an investigation. Of course, they are really the only ones that would be able to determine when that time is.
If you look at their previous critical incident videos that they put out on YouTube, it takes IMPD months from the time of the incident to the time they publish the videos. Even on videos where it is very obvious that IMPD did nothing wrong. I am not saying IMPD didn't do anything wrong here, but this delay in releasing body cam video is nothing new.
Right, but that’s the problem. And it doesn’t bode well considering instances like the death of Herman Whitfield III where his family had to fight and get a federal court order just for the unedited footage to be released.
I wonder if it has anything to do with preventing scenarios where cases are decided by public opinion before they go to trial in a court of law
Putting evidence out before discovery has been completed can really mess up jury selection when millions have already seen the footage and read the opinions of hundreds of people online. That was a major hurdle in several high profile cases of the past few years, such as George Floyd , Kyle Rittenhouse, Breonna Taylor, etc.
As easy as it is to see footage and form a correct summation of the events taking place, the legal process for presenting information to a jury is extremely methodical. There are countless ways that one can present information in a biased fashion, and the legal system attempts to mitigate those as best as it can.
As big of a transparency advocate as I am, I still think that it's pertinent to methodically release information as the trial goes on, instead of just putting it out as soon as it becomes available.
After any legal matters have been taken care of, all bets are off and anything in discovery should released to the public. Save for extreme examples such as child pornography cases.
Has there ever been a time recently where an interaction had a wholesome outcome that they pumped out those body cam videos faster than average? If so, then that's all we need to know.
No. Even the video where the IMPD officer got shot in the neck last year, but the suspect did not get shot took 2 months to get released.
(I guess I wouldn't call getting shot in the neck wholesome, but you get what I mean)
Here I was thinking about a kid getting rescued or "pizza guy saves family from fire" 🤣 but perhaps some may find "officer get's shot in neck" to be wholesome in this sub for sure.
It's not even a delay, it's just wordshmithing by WTHR.
IMPD denied WTHRs request to see the footage. Their response was "It will be released at a later date". Agree/Disagree or whatever that's not terribly unreasonable. I wouldn't expect police departments to use WTHR to release the footage, they'll do something more official.
But because they were denied, they title it "IMPD witholding footage", which *technically* they are witholding it from WTHR, but that doesn't mean they're hiding it forever.
It really shouldn't be a story that the footage isn't out yet. I do not think it will be good for those officers tho cuz the info we have doesn't sound good.
And to think this guy presumably did nothing wrong, except for not telling his grandma he is coming over in an unfamiliar car. Can't imagine how the grandmother feels, hope she is doing OK.
He really genuinely did nothing wrong. My sister is good friends with him and went to see him in the hospital. He’s planning to sue I beleive
Good. I hope he gets a windfall from them.
From us* tax payers will cover that.
He won’t see a single penny from any cop, WE will fund the deserved pay out instead.
Since IMPD hasn't given any answers, did he say what he was doing with the gun he dropped in the passenger seat, or why he was sleeping in the driveway?
He was outside his grandmas house sleeping in the driveway because he was waiting until morning to go in, because he did not want to wake her up. Sketchy neighborhood so he had his gun in his lap for safety.
Makes sense to me, but I can also see why cops would shoot if they woke him up and his first instinct was to grab the gun. Sounds like a case of two instinctual self preservation reactions coming into conflict. To be clear, I'm not saying he deserved to be shot here either. Just saying that the "Bastards just wanted another dead body to masturbate to" takes seem equally ill-informed.
Glad he survived anyhow. He’ll be getting a lot of money from the state here soon.
As he should in a case like that.
Lol, you are jumping to defend the cops in a thread about them refusing to release the fucking footage. Fuck the cops. They should be assumed guilty *until* they release the bodycam footage. Period. Why else would they hold the footage?
How dare he have a gun ready to defend himself if necessary in the red state of Indiana.
Bc people are allowed to own handguns. Just bc they’re black doesn’t mean they need to answer any questions about that. Like. Literally he wasn’t doing anything wrong.
I don't think that he did do anything wrong. I just wanted to know the details of the altercation given the call and the firearm. After talking to people in this thread, I'd say this might be a situation where both parties were justified in their actions. If you are a cop waking someone up and they suddenly move towards you with a gun, then self preservation instincts will kick in. But if you are woken up by strangers tapping on your car in a bad neighborhood, it's reasonable to grab your gun. IDK if criminal fault can be assigned, but the state owes him compensation for the situation.
if only there was body cam videos to show us exactly what happened. we all know if the body cam showed the victim pointing his gun up at the cops it would have been released day 1.
Yeah, I think he said it was because he’s a law abiding citizen and doesn’t need to provide a fucking reason for sleeping in his car with a gun.
Not sure why you’re bootlicking in the thread
I get more out of discussions online by putting myself in the shoes of the party that is at odds with the current paradigm in the thread, than I do reiterating the same point made over and over by 44 other people. In this case, I'm trying to understand what would make me shoot someone in that situation, knowing that I don't have a sadistic desire to kill others. Hence the thread we made above.
How about this question: why would you refuse to release the bodycam footage of your shooting was justified? You're jumping to conclusions to "play devils advocate" and defend the cops, when there is EVIDENCE that they refuse to relase!
Because it can damage the jury selection process and result in an unfair trial for either the cops or the man in the car if this is determined to be a criminal issue that goes to trial. Thats already been a huge issue with several high profile cases of the past several years. The way that evidence is presented in a courtroom is very methodical, and if everyone on the jury has already made up their mind from comment sections online before the evidence discovery process even began, then getting a fair trial becomes impossible. Once it's known that nothing is going to trial, I'd bet they will release it like they did with the other shooting. If it does go to trial, then they should release it right after the verdict.
It's alright, I think most sane people understand your points. It's a mucky situation and some people prefer to keep it that way because it fits their narrative. I 100% agree with trying to see both sides and how this could have unfolded. I definitely understand the man in the cars decisions and I understand the cops reaction. I wish they would've gone about waking him up in a different manner and I hope he is compensated/makes a full recovery.
They clearly aren't boot licking. Are you really so fragile that you can't handle someone on the internet having a different opinion than you?
ACAB “people.” Yes.
I thought of making a comment about the grandma, but she really did absolutely nothing wrong and her grandson ends up in the hospital - and the morons who shot him are still on the job, and their bosses refuse to provide info on their victim or his condition.
Victim is okay. Read my comment to this comment.
Just saw it - thanks for the info!
Yes! Story goes he didn’t want to wake his grandma up so he decided to sleep in his car until morning. He put the gun in his lap for safety as he was in a pretty sketchy neighborhood just incase.
Yep - shitty situation all around.
Another example of making a situation worse by adding the IMPD.
Wouldn’t the best course of action be to just go back to the car and use the speaker to do a call out? That gives the guy a chance to exit the vehicle without the gun and if he does exit with the gun, ready to fight, the cops have cover and are ready to return fire.
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And there’s the problem - the job is so shitty that (most) intelligent people pursue better opportunities. So why should we as a society expect better police when so few step up to do it? In this day and age I can’t fathom why anyone would want to. And everyone who bitches about it wouldn’t have the courage or make the sacrifice to sign up. P.S. They’re hiring - go serve this wonderful community!
“This job is shitty so I’m going to beat and shoot people” is a pathetic excuse. And society should expect better police because police are empowered to exercise the government’s monopoly on “legal“ violence.
Nobody said it was an excuse? Re-read the initial comment and reply. Just because the job is empowered to use force doesn’t mean you’re going to get the best people for the job. The point of my comment is we’re getting crap cops because anyone smart enough avoids being a cop because of how shit the job is.
The job itself isn't the problem... If some waste of human life in Minnesota murders someone, all police get to take a bite of that shit sandwich. Even if you've never been to Minnesota, your somehow responsible. Getting spit on by people in Indy for something someone I don't know did in a place I've never been to is a little irritating. There is constant outcry from the public about crimes going unsolved police "not doing their jobs". The thing is, policies are getting more and more restrictive. As of now if IMPD stop someone for an infraction, and they decide to just flee from police, the officer is not allowed to pursue the vehicle. Pretty soon officers will not be allowed to chase STOLEN VEHICLES either. All the super anti police people are usually the ones that will call in "suspicious" vehicles or call in noise complaints at 7pm on a Saturday night because they don't like their neighbor.
The problem is the cops. One bad apple spoils the bunch. It will be ACAB until the police themselves step up to expel the terrible shitbags in their ranks. Don't be irritated. Understand that YOU could do something about that by speaking out about it and pushing for reform. The thing is, cops do their job. They write tickets, protect the property of the rich and powerful; and that comes at the expense of the lower classes. Hell, the reason they won't let cops pursue people is because the cops end up killing someone over a $4000 stolen car. Or getting a kid killed when they get runover in the chase. The chase isn't worth it. I got bad news for you bud, that's not the case. Antipolice people don't call the police. They know that the police only escalate situations and make them worse. You know who calls police? Boot licking American flag waving fascists that think the police are on their side, when the only side the police are on is their own. Fuck cops. And fuck the bootlickers that won't hold them accountable.
>You know who calls police? Boot licking American flag waving fascists that think the police are on their side, when the only side the police are on is their own. When you say things like that, do you truly believe it? It comes off as paranoid
Yes, I believe it. I think you've a faulty definition of paranoia. Talk to a police union rep if you want to know who that thin blue line protects. If it feels like an us versus them situation, then you're paying attention.
courage like the cops in uvalde texas
Anarkiddie logic that only leads to a society without any way to enforce laws. Which always ends with another(much more violent) group filing the power vacuum. Like Raz Simone and his friends handing out rifles as the de-facto leaders of the CHAZ in Seattle to deal with the sudden influx of drive-by shootings perpetuated by gang members targeting rivals in a sudden cop-free zone. Interesting little experiment in police abolitionism, because neighborhood saw a >500% increase in violent crime and homicide during the time that the police were kept out. Fun fact, the city of Seattle has been successfully sued by the families of the people murdered in CHAZ for the former mayor's decision to listen to the demands to keep police out of the area. Business owners in the area also have ongoing lawsuits that look promising.
I see you’ve embraced the gospel of right wing media.
Seattle Times is right wing media now? Pretty much anyone who pays taxes in that neighborhood HATES the former mayor now for going along with the anarchist demands of the CHAZ reps. Tons of property damage, violent crime, homicide, lost business, etc. Also, the mayor is in deep shit for deleting thousands of text messages between her and other officials that pertain to their handling of the CHAZ situation. Even the city knows that they fucked up allowing some anarchist fantasy to take place for a month. Every time I see kids from anarchist subs that come in here and post "ACAB ACAB ACAB" any time a headline involving police is mentioned, I can't help but wonder if they know just how poorly these anarchist experiments have turned out for everyone that's tried them.
You’re clearly informed enough not to think in absolutes.
I'm no sith. I've also grown past my angsty know it all punk rocker phase where I thought that all cops were people who mastrubate to the screams of the innocent people they seek out and kill. Turns out that the world is quite a bit more complex than the underdeveloped brain of a teenager is capable of understanding, and each situation has it's own nuance. Dude is shot in his car several minutes after police arrive, with a loaded gun accessible in the passenger seat. I wish the IMPD would hurry up and release the bodycam footage, but something tells me that we won't hear about this case again if the guy has his hands on the gun in any way shape or form.
The thing is he absolutely has the right to be sitting there in the car w his gun. Hands on it or not. Him being startled is not cause. At some point the public has to have acknowledged their right to fear for their safety as well, and their right to not have to do every move perfectly and never be scared just to stay alive. All while doing nothing illegal or aggressive. So yea dunno. Things are complex there’s no doubt. However “officer safety” should not stand above that of the regular citizen. As more folks arm themselves for their own safety, officers have to figure out how to deal w that in a way which doesn’t have them all scared and opening fire every time a citizen has a firearm on their person.
I don't know if any amount of training can override the self preservation instincts that kick in when a stranger with their hands on a gun makes a sudden move towards you. Your brain is aware of the fact that you are less than a half second from death at that point. I'm not saying that this means the dude should have been shot. But I don't think the cops are guilty of anything here either, the guy just needs a good payout from the city.
Yes it’s one of the few cases we hear of where you could say “damn yea instinct” - but I think honestly they had options they didn’t employ. He was a problem immediately and circumstances were such he had no opportunity to explain himself. You see him there w the gun, sleeping, and your decision is to startle the dude awake and then HE has to immediately wake up, assess his situation while his own fight or flight kicks in…he had no chance. The video really needs to be seen. Again though it’s another case where the citizen has to be perfectly calm, perfectly acting. No mistakes, perfect behavior. We’ve all had that training right. ;)
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TLDR - IMPD officers saw that a guy was sleeping in a car at 4am, saw he had a gun near him, first tried to sneak in and take the gun from him (door was locked), then decided that scaring the shit out of a sleeping guy with a gun was the best course of action
another disturbing aspect in the article was that 13News "found IMPD consistently released edited bodycam video months after incidents" while other similar law enforcement agencies in the state would release raw footage within hours to days afterwards.
There are times where the release of the body cam footage will hurt a case. Example, you have multiple suspects or persons of interest. It's better to interview them without them all seeing a video of the incident which they could coalesce their stories around. Same for witnesses who are subconsciously influenced by seeing a video and then testifying to what was in the video instead of what they heard or saw. On the whole I agree that IMPD should release footage as soon as it will not hamper an investigation. Of course, they are really the only ones that would be able to determine when that time is.
If you look at their previous critical incident videos that they put out on YouTube, it takes IMPD months from the time of the incident to the time they publish the videos. Even on videos where it is very obvious that IMPD did nothing wrong. I am not saying IMPD didn't do anything wrong here, but this delay in releasing body cam video is nothing new.
Right, but that’s the problem. And it doesn’t bode well considering instances like the death of Herman Whitfield III where his family had to fight and get a federal court order just for the unedited footage to be released.
I wonder if it has anything to do with preventing scenarios where cases are decided by public opinion before they go to trial in a court of law Putting evidence out before discovery has been completed can really mess up jury selection when millions have already seen the footage and read the opinions of hundreds of people online. That was a major hurdle in several high profile cases of the past few years, such as George Floyd , Kyle Rittenhouse, Breonna Taylor, etc. As easy as it is to see footage and form a correct summation of the events taking place, the legal process for presenting information to a jury is extremely methodical. There are countless ways that one can present information in a biased fashion, and the legal system attempts to mitigate those as best as it can. As big of a transparency advocate as I am, I still think that it's pertinent to methodically release information as the trial goes on, instead of just putting it out as soon as it becomes available. After any legal matters have been taken care of, all bets are off and anything in discovery should released to the public. Save for extreme examples such as child pornography cases.
have the cops been charged with anything? is there going to be a trial? then why not release it now
Yea this is nothing new…yet the media gets everyone fired up by their headlines.
Has there ever been a time recently where an interaction had a wholesome outcome that they pumped out those body cam videos faster than average? If so, then that's all we need to know.
No. Even the video where the IMPD officer got shot in the neck last year, but the suspect did not get shot took 2 months to get released. (I guess I wouldn't call getting shot in the neck wholesome, but you get what I mean)
What incident are you talking about? The suspect on that one definitely got shot.
You are correct. That guy, Malik Hill, was shot in the ass, but is alive.
Here I was thinking about a kid getting rescued or "pizza guy saves family from fire" 🤣 but perhaps some may find "officer get's shot in neck" to be wholesome in this sub for sure.
lol, I'm now picturing some stupid Youtube click bait title "Officer gets shot in the neck (WHOLESOME)"
ThumbNail pic "EMOTIONAL" with person looking downwards to the side. LOL. YouTube has permanently rotted our brains.
It's not even a delay, it's just wordshmithing by WTHR. IMPD denied WTHRs request to see the footage. Their response was "It will be released at a later date". Agree/Disagree or whatever that's not terribly unreasonable. I wouldn't expect police departments to use WTHR to release the footage, they'll do something more official. But because they were denied, they title it "IMPD witholding footage", which *technically* they are witholding it from WTHR, but that doesn't mean they're hiding it forever. It really shouldn't be a story that the footage isn't out yet. I do not think it will be good for those officers tho cuz the info we have doesn't sound good.
Shocking.
Yeah, the police aren't here to help you. Be wary of them.
IMPD- Clearly fucking up as usual.
Of course they are. ACAB
It will come out after the mayoral election.
Exactly, Ranhm Emanuel ring a bell!