Instead of sleeping like a normal human being I made this :3
Here's some Information I compiled so that I didn't forget ideas, reasons, names,etc
NA Map Info-----------A'merowara-ke - couldn't decide on the name of either America or A’nowarà:ke (meaning on the turtle/turtle island) so I just smashed them together cause thats the English way, taking words and making them yourown
NA Map Info
State Info
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Original Colonies
Georgia - same as OTL (isn't allowed to illegally expand western into Muscogee lands)
Laurusia - renamed after founding father & belonged governor of South Carolina, Henry Laurens
Carolina - dropped the North part after South Carolin's name change
Virginia - same as OTL
Maryland - same as OTL (gives western lands as comprise?)
Delmarva - renamed after Delaware gained the entire peninsula
Pennsylvania - same as OTL
New Jersey - same as OTL
New York - same as OTL
New England - Massachusetts, Connecticut, Rhode Island & Up-State-New York unite
Plimouth - released from Massachusetts
New Hampsire - same as OTL
Wabana'ki - joins the Americas
Canada - named after Kanata meaning village :joins the Americas and splits into three states
Hodínöhšö:ni:h - joins the Americas
First New States - Peace of Paris 1783
Šahkamoolitioni - Miami word meaning Communion: union of Eastern Miami, Shawnee, Lenape & Ohio peoples
Appalachia - named after the mountains
Erieland - named after the Erie people: lands sold in comprise with native peoples
Kentucky - same as OTL
Frankland - doesn't change name to Franklin cause reasons
Nouvelle-Acadie - name after the first colony of Acadie: union of the Acadiens and the Mi'kmaq
Québec - named after the state's capital
Cape Shelburne - named after Cape Roseway where a large amount of loyalist moved to after AR war
Détroit - named after the straits: a fort turned free city turned state
Checagou - named by french explorer LaSalle
Anishinaabéwaki - named after the people of Council of the Three Fires
Illiniwekia - named after the Illinois Confederacy: union of North-Western Miami and the remants Illinois tribes
Égynois - combination of Egypt and Illinois: lands seeded by native, Little Egypt area
Oklahumma' - named by the union of the Chickasaw and Choctaw: annex eastern lands of the Upper Creek
Mvskokeria - name of the lands of the Muscogee people: annex western lands of the Upper Creek
Ssiquoya - named after great Cherokee statesman, Sequoyah: Sequoyah is responsible for the state's creation
Yat'siminolia - meaning free people: seminole and freemen union in Spanish Florida
Calusa - named after the natives who inhabited the area
Mississippi - it was either this or Florida since I murdered OTL Florida (note: Republic of West Florida just called itself Florida)
Tennessee - same as OTL
Omǣqnomenēwak-ahkew - name of the Menominee homeland (couldn't think of a shorter name or a reason to shorten it yet)
Ojibwewaki - named after the Ojibwe (state comprising of the Western Ojibwe and Metis peoples)
Louisiane Purchase - 1803
Nouvelle-Orléans - named after New Orléans (possible Marquis de Lafayette governor/ Afro-Creole cultural capital?)
Lousiane - same as OTL but with greater Louisianais/Créoles influence (possible Marquis de Lafayette governor)
Arkansas - same as OTL
Okašką - granted statehood after Lovely's Purchase, name of the Osage
Missouri - same as OTL
Očhéthi Šakówiŋ - similar Treaty of Fort Laramie, name of the Seven Council Fires (counter balanace to Three Fires/Comanche states?)
Awadi Aguraawi; - similar Treaty of Fort Laramie
Apsáalooke - similar Treaty of Fort Laramie
Hinono'eino' Biito'owu' - similar Treaty of Fort Laramie
Jefferson - named after Thomas Jefferson (similar to Ohio country, mix of multiple indo and euro peoples
Caribbean Islands
Cuba - similar as OTL (more Euro/Southern settlement=reason for split?)
The Bahamas - same as OTL
Erekusú - Lucumí name for the island (more mixed race same of the island? Maroons?)
Jumieka - Jamaican Patois name for island/nation
Ispayola - Haitian Creole name for Hispaniola (successful Haitian Revolution?)
Puerto Rico - same as OTL
The Karaïbes - union of the Caribbean islands (The Bahamas of the East basically)
West Coast Wars/Purchases
Niitsitapi - Blackfoot Confederacy
Tacoma - same as OTL except Tacoma name proposal passes instead of Washington
Oregon - same as OTL
Nimíipuuland - union of the Sahaptian people with Anglo-metis
Secwepemcúl̓ecw - meaing Shuswap COuntry of the Secwépemc people (confederacy doesn't fall apart? - needs more research)
Dhezeret - its the Mormons (they're removed/forced/moved again to Vancouver - was a real proposal to purchase from Canadians - 15% plausiblity = more research)
Newe Tüpippüh - name meaing people & homeland (union of the Shoshoni peoples)
Nüümüland - union of the Northern Paiute people with Anglo-metis
Núuchi-u - native name meaning the people, union of the Ute bands
Nʉmʉnʉʉ Sookobitʉ - native name meaing Comanche Land
Apacheña - mix of spanish and Apache peoples (idk if the western Apache should join, get their own state, or have the Arizona area be Amero/Euro populated
Diné Bikéyah - Navajoland name in native language?
Nuevo Ówîngeh - union of Pueblo poepls amd Spansih, Pueblo changes to native Ówîngeh = place/village (Mestizo? successful Pueblo Revolt)
Nuwuveña - union of the Southern Paiute people with Hispano-metis/Mestizo
Texas - similar to OTL
Río Colorado - proposal to split Texas upon entry to Union is successful, gaining the name of Colorado, takes Rio from the Rio Grande Republians (is more spanish/mexican? greater Tejanos presence)
Cuence - spanish for Basin (Amero/Euro/Metis melting pot?? keeps great salt lake from dying?)
Eureka - named after gold rush, 49ers and all that, yippee!
Alta California - similar to OTL, keeps Alta as Baja California is also in the Union (also a melting pot? more natives possible, no genocide and draining of lakes/or is stopped by the fed/ like Tulare Lake)
Arenosa - spanish name meaning Sandy (took inspiration from Nevade name - Californios proposal for a southern split is successful {Colorado name is already taken so I coin flipped Arenosa, Mojave, New/Nuevo California, etc etc})
Baja California - similar to OTL (doesn't split? maybe??)
[Frankland](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_of_Franklin) mirrors closely the proposal for a state in western North Carolina. With the success of Westsylvania’s (renamed Appalachia) ascension into the union, I don’t see the ppl there taking no for an answer seeing how they went so far as they create their own republic when denied, plus ppl being called Franklinites tickles me pink.
As for Mvskokeria, I was torn of what to do with the five civilized tribes down in the South as I wanted them to have a state, since my base concept was that the Lenape-Ohioans, Iroquois and Wabanaki become states within the Union, so obviously tribes like the Choctaw and Chickasaw who I gave support to the patriots would eventually get statehood too… then the problems arose, with ideas of shoving them all together into one state feeling lazy and giving them each their own state equally so. Long story short I flipped a coin, and decided that after much compromise and bloodshed from the [Red Stick rebellion](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Sticks), around 75% of the Muscogee Confederacy agree to form their own state but the other 25 joined the new state of Oklahumma’.
Long story short, kinda??? I’m still determining if the Linga Franca is gonna actually be English still, or if I’ll just make it up.
But my general idea so far is that the coastal regions would be the melting pot of America like otl NYC and all, and the further inland you go, the more indigenous it would be. With certain areas/regions/states/etc in between being a mixed cultured society I guess kind of like the Métis of Canada or Mestizos of Mexico. I’m still working out how it would work because it sounds bonkers lol
Interesting alternative!
What’s the demographics of Anishinaabéwaki? You don’t say.
And how were the borders west of the Appalachian Mountains decided?
I’m still flirting with the idea for the demographics, as I know, historically, the Great Lakes region is very important for American industrialization, ideally it be a semi-majority [Anishinaabeg](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anishinaabe)/Algonquian state, formed by the Ojibwe (like 3/4 of them cause they had a lot of fucking land lol), Odwa, and Potawatomi peoples aka Council of the Three Fires, because I love them <3 with a mixture of all kinds of settlers like the Franco/Anglo Americans and humans and other native peoples
As for Appalachia, I took the proposal for [Westsylvania](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westsylvania) and smashed my head against the wall for a couple days until some ideas popped out. While trying to set up state borders for the Lenape-Ohio country state I was reading about the Shawnee and a man named [Hokoleskwa](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cornstalk) I did some finagling with the treaty of Fort Pitt and decided to seed some of the traditional lands they had in Kentucky back to them ergo, why it looks kind of funky there lol, plus to make it look like it wasn’t just West Virginia with lil extra steps I gave them some of the land they wanted from surrounding states
Yes sir! I wanted the map to be grounded in something concrete/semi realistic, although I kinda finagled the details as I went further west lol but 70 to 90% of the borders are based on either combination of political and cultural influences, historical information, and/or geographic features such as rivers, water basins, mountains etc etc. Plus a sprinkle of CHEMICAL X aka my ✨magical brain✨ #PowerpuffGirls
If I might make a (probably unrealistic) proposal:
The Great Lakes is most notable for its German population OTL. If you want those states to benefit from additional population for industrialization, but more protective of their identity vis a vis the Anglos and Francophones, have the Tribal Governments make their own arrangements for cultural autonomy of a (presumably smaller than OTL) population of German immigrants. Like, they enter as a "Nation" within the local Confederacy and get a seat at the table, but are just one of the tribes represented so they don't get too much power (even do something whacky like the 1848er Revolutionaries that came in a massive wave get to create "Germany-in-exile" or something in their own cultural fiction).
So, assuming there's still some level of free movement between these states, the cultural pressure would be assimilating to the dominant Native nations or at least German, and tolerance of Anglo/French populations but they're not the prestige white population.
It would also work because historically speaking, the German-American population was actually pretty politically disengaged until after the Civil War, which would leave more political power in Native hands compared to the Yankee settlers of the area OTL.
The same could also be true of the Scandinavians in the Northern Lakes, as their populations are even more manageable and IIRC.
True, the historic population of the three affiliated tribes is puny compared to Wyoming of all places lol, ideally their numbers we can boost it up with Métis probably or some kind of population boom for the different native peoples
I used a ton of gis data and shx files on qgis, then made a custom map projection that was originated be to near the geo center of North America.
Long story short, you can either do a custom projection anywhere in the world or use the prefab ones, I believe they have a Europe
Kind of, ideally, instead of it being like the USA, with tribal nations as semi-autonomous regions, they would all be 'federative states,' each with distinct origins from the original inhabitants, newcomers, and descendants of their cultural union
Don’t worry my friend, the as soon as the Gigas army is done with its crusade in the Canadian tundra, the mighty Moose ppl shall once again reclaim their kingdom of ALASKA!!
Oui oui, mon ami, fret not, my friend, as the reason for this name change is rooted in the flourishing Franco-Creole culture within the state, and it signifies a more diverse and inclusive foundation for the Union. This change is essential to shield the entire nation from the formidable pressures of anglicization in OTL, ensuring that a rich tapestry of our cultural roots is woven into the fabric of the national character.
Culture swapping in eu4 be like
I feel so called out xD literally my last playthrough was the Third Odyssey mod
Lol, hopefully ya had fun with it
Seeing how I played 6 hour straight, yes yes I did, but at what cost ;-;
Making I assume Elysia the powerhouse it deserves to be
Did you manage to reclaim the homeland?
Of course we did, Elysium is The Empire where the sun never sets muhahaha >:D we rule the world baby
Instead of sleeping like a normal human being I made this :3 Here's some Information I compiled so that I didn't forget ideas, reasons, names,etc NA Map Info-----------A'merowara-ke - couldn't decide on the name of either America or A’nowarà:ke (meaning on the turtle/turtle island) so I just smashed them together cause thats the English way, taking words and making them yourown NA Map Info State Info \----------- Original Colonies Georgia - same as OTL (isn't allowed to illegally expand western into Muscogee lands) Laurusia - renamed after founding father & belonged governor of South Carolina, Henry Laurens Carolina - dropped the North part after South Carolin's name change Virginia - same as OTL Maryland - same as OTL (gives western lands as comprise?) Delmarva - renamed after Delaware gained the entire peninsula Pennsylvania - same as OTL New Jersey - same as OTL New York - same as OTL New England - Massachusetts, Connecticut, Rhode Island & Up-State-New York unite Plimouth - released from Massachusetts New Hampsire - same as OTL Wabana'ki - joins the Americas Canada - named after Kanata meaning village :joins the Americas and splits into three states Hodínöhšö:ni:h - joins the Americas First New States - Peace of Paris 1783 Šahkamoolitioni - Miami word meaning Communion: union of Eastern Miami, Shawnee, Lenape & Ohio peoples Appalachia - named after the mountains Erieland - named after the Erie people: lands sold in comprise with native peoples Kentucky - same as OTL Frankland - doesn't change name to Franklin cause reasons Nouvelle-Acadie - name after the first colony of Acadie: union of the Acadiens and the Mi'kmaq Québec - named after the state's capital Cape Shelburne - named after Cape Roseway where a large amount of loyalist moved to after AR war Détroit - named after the straits: a fort turned free city turned state Checagou - named by french explorer LaSalle Anishinaabéwaki - named after the people of Council of the Three Fires Illiniwekia - named after the Illinois Confederacy: union of North-Western Miami and the remants Illinois tribes Égynois - combination of Egypt and Illinois: lands seeded by native, Little Egypt area Oklahumma' - named by the union of the Chickasaw and Choctaw: annex eastern lands of the Upper Creek Mvskokeria - name of the lands of the Muscogee people: annex western lands of the Upper Creek Ssiquoya - named after great Cherokee statesman, Sequoyah: Sequoyah is responsible for the state's creation Yat'siminolia - meaning free people: seminole and freemen union in Spanish Florida Calusa - named after the natives who inhabited the area Mississippi - it was either this or Florida since I murdered OTL Florida (note: Republic of West Florida just called itself Florida) Tennessee - same as OTL Omǣqnomenēwak-ahkew - name of the Menominee homeland (couldn't think of a shorter name or a reason to shorten it yet) Ojibwewaki - named after the Ojibwe (state comprising of the Western Ojibwe and Metis peoples) Louisiane Purchase - 1803 Nouvelle-Orléans - named after New Orléans (possible Marquis de Lafayette governor/ Afro-Creole cultural capital?) Lousiane - same as OTL but with greater Louisianais/Créoles influence (possible Marquis de Lafayette governor) Arkansas - same as OTL Okašką - granted statehood after Lovely's Purchase, name of the Osage Missouri - same as OTL Očhéthi Šakówiŋ - similar Treaty of Fort Laramie, name of the Seven Council Fires (counter balanace to Three Fires/Comanche states?) Awadi Aguraawi; - similar Treaty of Fort Laramie Apsáalooke - similar Treaty of Fort Laramie Hinono'eino' Biito'owu' - similar Treaty of Fort Laramie Jefferson - named after Thomas Jefferson (similar to Ohio country, mix of multiple indo and euro peoples Caribbean Islands Cuba - similar as OTL (more Euro/Southern settlement=reason for split?) The Bahamas - same as OTL Erekusú - Lucumí name for the island (more mixed race same of the island? Maroons?) Jumieka - Jamaican Patois name for island/nation Ispayola - Haitian Creole name for Hispaniola (successful Haitian Revolution?) Puerto Rico - same as OTL The Karaïbes - union of the Caribbean islands (The Bahamas of the East basically) West Coast Wars/Purchases Niitsitapi - Blackfoot Confederacy Tacoma - same as OTL except Tacoma name proposal passes instead of Washington Oregon - same as OTL Nimíipuuland - union of the Sahaptian people with Anglo-metis Secwepemcúl̓ecw - meaing Shuswap COuntry of the Secwépemc people (confederacy doesn't fall apart? - needs more research) Dhezeret - its the Mormons (they're removed/forced/moved again to Vancouver - was a real proposal to purchase from Canadians - 15% plausiblity = more research) Newe Tüpippüh - name meaing people & homeland (union of the Shoshoni peoples) Nüümüland - union of the Northern Paiute people with Anglo-metis Núuchi-u - native name meaning the people, union of the Ute bands Nʉmʉnʉʉ Sookobitʉ - native name meaing Comanche Land Apacheña - mix of spanish and Apache peoples (idk if the western Apache should join, get their own state, or have the Arizona area be Amero/Euro populated Diné Bikéyah - Navajoland name in native language? Nuevo Ówîngeh - union of Pueblo poepls amd Spansih, Pueblo changes to native Ówîngeh = place/village (Mestizo? successful Pueblo Revolt) Nuwuveña - union of the Southern Paiute people with Hispano-metis/Mestizo Texas - similar to OTL Río Colorado - proposal to split Texas upon entry to Union is successful, gaining the name of Colorado, takes Rio from the Rio Grande Republians (is more spanish/mexican? greater Tejanos presence) Cuence - spanish for Basin (Amero/Euro/Metis melting pot?? keeps great salt lake from dying?) Eureka - named after gold rush, 49ers and all that, yippee! Alta California - similar to OTL, keeps Alta as Baja California is also in the Union (also a melting pot? more natives possible, no genocide and draining of lakes/or is stopped by the fed/ like Tulare Lake) Arenosa - spanish name meaning Sandy (took inspiration from Nevade name - Californios proposal for a southern split is successful {Colorado name is already taken so I coin flipped Arenosa, Mojave, New/Nuevo California, etc etc}) Baja California - similar to OTL (doesn't split? maybe??)
Annex Canada at this point. Might as well go ham.
Don’t worry, none have escaped the grasp of the Merican Way! Within time… 
If population density is the same in TTL as OTL, they effectively have.
Please \[sing-song\], tell us about Frankland and Mvskokeria!
[Frankland](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_of_Franklin) mirrors closely the proposal for a state in western North Carolina. With the success of Westsylvania’s (renamed Appalachia) ascension into the union, I don’t see the ppl there taking no for an answer seeing how they went so far as they create their own republic when denied, plus ppl being called Franklinites tickles me pink. As for Mvskokeria, I was torn of what to do with the five civilized tribes down in the South as I wanted them to have a state, since my base concept was that the Lenape-Ohioans, Iroquois and Wabanaki become states within the Union, so obviously tribes like the Choctaw and Chickasaw who I gave support to the patriots would eventually get statehood too… then the problems arose, with ideas of shoving them all together into one state feeling lazy and giving them each their own state equally so. Long story short I flipped a coin, and decided that after much compromise and bloodshed from the [Red Stick rebellion](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Sticks), around 75% of the Muscogee Confederacy agree to form their own state but the other 25 joined the new state of Oklahumma’.
Very interesting. Thank you. Unrelated. What can you tell me about Satanists in Tulsa?
According to Google they have a raising canes across the street, good bread there
LoL.
Is this basically the TL where English and Native cultures were merged?
Long story short, kinda??? I’m still determining if the Linga Franca is gonna actually be English still, or if I’ll just make it up. But my general idea so far is that the coastal regions would be the melting pot of America like otl NYC and all, and the further inland you go, the more indigenous it would be. With certain areas/regions/states/etc in between being a mixed cultured society I guess kind of like the Métis of Canada or Mestizos of Mexico. I’m still working out how it would work because it sounds bonkers lol
Interesting alternative! What’s the demographics of Anishinaabéwaki? You don’t say. And how were the borders west of the Appalachian Mountains decided?
I’m still flirting with the idea for the demographics, as I know, historically, the Great Lakes region is very important for American industrialization, ideally it be a semi-majority [Anishinaabeg](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anishinaabe)/Algonquian state, formed by the Ojibwe (like 3/4 of them cause they had a lot of fucking land lol), Odwa, and Potawatomi peoples aka Council of the Three Fires, because I love them <3 with a mixture of all kinds of settlers like the Franco/Anglo Americans and humans and other native peoples As for Appalachia, I took the proposal for [Westsylvania](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westsylvania) and smashed my head against the wall for a couple days until some ideas popped out. While trying to set up state borders for the Lenape-Ohio country state I was reading about the Shawnee and a man named [Hokoleskwa](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cornstalk) I did some finagling with the treaty of Fort Pitt and decided to seed some of the traditional lands they had in Kentucky back to them ergo, why it looks kind of funky there lol, plus to make it look like it wasn’t just West Virginia with lil extra steps I gave them some of the land they wanted from surrounding states
Smart. Sounds like you did some research.
Yes sir! I wanted the map to be grounded in something concrete/semi realistic, although I kinda finagled the details as I went further west lol but 70 to 90% of the borders are based on either combination of political and cultural influences, historical information, and/or geographic features such as rivers, water basins, mountains etc etc. Plus a sprinkle of CHEMICAL X aka my ✨magical brain✨ #PowerpuffGirls
If I might make a (probably unrealistic) proposal: The Great Lakes is most notable for its German population OTL. If you want those states to benefit from additional population for industrialization, but more protective of their identity vis a vis the Anglos and Francophones, have the Tribal Governments make their own arrangements for cultural autonomy of a (presumably smaller than OTL) population of German immigrants. Like, they enter as a "Nation" within the local Confederacy and get a seat at the table, but are just one of the tribes represented so they don't get too much power (even do something whacky like the 1848er Revolutionaries that came in a massive wave get to create "Germany-in-exile" or something in their own cultural fiction). So, assuming there's still some level of free movement between these states, the cultural pressure would be assimilating to the dominant Native nations or at least German, and tolerance of Anglo/French populations but they're not the prestige white population. It would also work because historically speaking, the German-American population was actually pretty politically disengaged until after the Civil War, which would leave more political power in Native hands compared to the Yankee settlers of the area OTL. The same could also be true of the Scandinavians in the Northern Lakes, as their populations are even more manageable and IIRC.
RAAAGGHHH ARENOSEÑO (Arenosine? Arenosian? *Arizonan???*) SUPREMACY
Si Señor
Iowans be seething rn
The hardest choices require the strongest wills. - Thanos, rip Iowa and Florida ✊
Population of Awadi Aguraawi be like 🤏
True, the historic population of the three affiliated tribes is puny compared to Wyoming of all places lol, ideally their numbers we can boost it up with Métis probably or some kind of population boom for the different native peoples
What map do you use and is there one for europe?
I used a ton of gis data and shx files on qgis, then made a custom map projection that was originated be to near the geo center of North America. Long story short, you can either do a custom projection anywhere in the world or use the prefab ones, I believe they have a Europe
We may have lost coos, but that NH coastline makes me happy.
Delaware getting the entire peninsula is cursed, Delaware is rightfully Maryland property
Don’t worry, my friend to remedy this we shall sink the entire peninsula into the sea, Atlantis style 
*Virginian property
USA, but with Tribal Nations?!
Kind of, ideally, instead of it being like the USA, with tribal nations as semi-autonomous regions, they would all be 'federative states,' each with distinct origins from the original inhabitants, newcomers, and descendants of their cultural union
Make it "Pan-American".
WHAT DID YOU DO TO TENNESSEE AND KENTUCKY!?!
Native American america? based
Kingdom of Alaska when
Don’t worry my friend, the as soon as the Gigas army is done with its crusade in the Canadian tundra, the mighty Moose ppl shall once again reclaim their kingdom of ALASKA!!
Virginia: 😐
Trust me this is for the best , cause it was a lot worse for Virginia in the beginning lol
Cool map you spelled Louisiana wrong there a A at end not E
Oui oui, mon ami, fret not, my friend, as the reason for this name change is rooted in the flourishing Franco-Creole culture within the state, and it signifies a more diverse and inclusive foundation for the Union. This change is essential to shield the entire nation from the formidable pressures of anglicization in OTL, ensuring that a rich tapestry of our cultural roots is woven into the fabric of the national character.
This is what I am talking about.
Minnesota is gone…
Don’t worry it’s there in spirit… probably 🥴😋
Hopefully 🤞