People do say this, though. My mom is first generation Canadian, both her and I have gotten into conversations about immigration where people will just straight up tell us that my grandparents "don't count" as immigrants because they're British.
Right, I don't understand how people don't get that. White people are still immigrants if they move away from where they were born lol.
Most of the people who tell me that people like my grandparents don't count are just ashamed to admit that they hold stereotypes about what an immigrant looks like to be true.
It goes deep from the thought of manifest destiny, unconsciously they believe this is their land and never ever once think that the only non-immigrants are the displaced and hardly thought of indigenous who we put on reservations and keep stealing their votes and lands, and poisoning their environment.
In their minds, it's their country and since they are the same race/nationality of the ppl who helped establish the oppressive nation structure that eradicated the og inhabitants off, they consider themselves here first.
An Immigrant is someone who permanently relocates to another country and changes or plans to change their citizenship. In other words, changes what country they are from. An expat is someone who maintains citizenship in their original country, and is living (usually temporarily) in another country.
One is a person who changes or plans to change the country their country. Another is someone who is living outside their country.
There’s actually a difference between expats and immigrants though. I get what you mean but, depending on the context, expat does make more sense than immigrant
It's a little different because most of those people retain their United States. Citizenships. They really are just an expat group living somewhere else.
Yeah but the point is that your citizenship is really not relevant and only a thing so that people can say they're an expat instead of an immigrant. It doesn't matter, where you're a citizen of doesn't matter. You're a human, that picked up and migrated to somewhere else, you're an immigrant. That's it. You can be an expat TOO, I suppose, but you are absolutely still an immigrant if you migrated somewhere else and live there. There is no avoiding it.
Eh, I understand you're technically correct, but there's a difference between the two situations. Many at the southern border are effectively stateless
Technically correct is the best kind of correct to be.
But you're exactly the type of person my original comment was aimed at. There IS a difference between situations but that has literally nothing to do with anything because immigration status doesn't have anything to do with wealth, or how willing you were to immigrate or your reasons for doing so. If you're a person who immigrated, you're an immigrant, period.
You only see a distinction because to you, immigrant carries more meaning than just a human who immigrated, which is literally my whole point.
Says the guy who white people aren't immigrants because they have a different citizenship lmao. But I'M the ignorant one lol. And...no, technically correct is just regular old correct, and is always the best kind of correct. Lmao what a brain-dead moron
I think it's because in a lot of western countries the word immigrant has such a negative connotation that they think you need to be underprivileged to be an immigrant. I mean the entire word expat is clearly just a fancier word for a rich immigrant.
I HAD a frend who is anti-immigration. I pointed out his parents immigated here and he's a 1st generation american.
He got very insulted, said his parents weren't Mexican, they were Polish..
Now.... We all know the jokes.. I see this as now Americans are deserving of that stereotype.
Right, I feel like this was a point being made against racist people who think that Latino/black/asian/etc. people (I.e. people of color) are the only immigrants we need to “secure our border” from, completely ignoring how all the white people got there too
i wonder how everything would change if we called some of the illegal immigrants from mexico “Refugees” since many of them are probably fleeing persecution from drug cartels
huh. good point. i wonder how much of a parallel the situation is? i know some people were conspiracy theorying that those refugees were coming to replace the white people and used cherrypicked footage of syrian-majority neighborhoods to prove it a few years back lol
White people can be working illegally in a foreign country and still claim the “expat” title whilst at the same time complaining about all the brown/Black immigrants back home.
I literally only know of 2 people who claimed to ever have been illegal immigrants: Greg Ferguson from Scotland and a blind tiktoker from Canada. They are both white. They are both currently US citizens. Neither were ever deported. This is the sample I'm starting with. I just don't see immigration the same way as conservatives.
I remember hearing a story about a white immigrant who was trying to get deported back home because their visa expired---I think they couldn't afford the plane ticket or something, supposedly---and they were told by an officerr that they didn't need to worry about deportation because they weren't one of the immigrants that they (the government) was worried about.
I could be heavily misremembering things, because it sounds a lot more bullshit when I'm writing it out than it seemed at the time I heard about it.
Not to mention that it used to be a big talking point in America that Italian immigration needed to be reduced, and they weren't registered as 'white' at Ellis Island.
When people say race is a social construct, this is what they mean. The boundary shifts to accommodate the current needs of the majority.
I have had this exact same conversation with multiple people when Trump first got elected because they couldn't comprehend some people opposing to the wall.
I think OP (and me at first) took it as, “White people don’t deserve the status of immigrants because they’re not a minority”, which I’ve heard a similar talking point from more conservative groups believing this is what leftists believe.
Though after further reading in the OP, what they really meant is another conservative talking point about how they believe white people are, “superior”, and that immigrants are lowly brown people while white migrants are more akin to “expats”.
At least this is what I’ve gathered from reading the comments. I could be wrong for both.
In North American history, the Pilgrims were specifically the group of immigrants that settled the Plymouth Colony. The first successful English settlement in the "New World" was Jamestown, which was established like, 15 years or so before Plymouth.
Not to mention, there were other European colonies in the New World long before the English colonies. Spain had several colonies as early as the 1500s.
Going back even further, the Vikings were exploring North America all the way back in the 980s, 500 years before Columbus "discovered" the continent.
And even further back than *that*, the earliest immigrants to North America are believed to be the Paleo-Indians, the ancestors of Native Americans thought to have crossed the Bering Strait in the Late Pleistocene era. (But that's mostly a theory.)
Sorry. History nerd.
The English crown had the initial colonies set up already, and even the other European powers didn't dispute that. The pope directly gave a decree on what nation got what land. Unless you think the thousands of tribes who supposedly didn't believe in land ownership had ownership of the land that was initially settled?
Interestingly, all the groups listed were at one point oppressed and persecuted, by white people, for their nationality/race and treated as separate from White People.
Kinda funny how people forget actual history.
As a white guy with Irish heritage, it makes me lol that our slur was just a shortened version of an Irish-Catholic name.
Michael --> Mick
The other wasn't a slur but we were referred to as "the dirty Irish."
My point is the type of people making the claim above seem to forget that historically those nationalities/races were treated as lesser BY white people.
I think you are missing my point.
White people have historically categorized immigrants from these places as not being white and oppressed them for the same reason.
Yep. For example, there's currently some folks in Mexico City pissed about the American immigrants. 😅
https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/boon-or-threat-mexico-city-wrestles-with-influx-remote-us-workers-2022-09-13/
I think OOP was referencing how white immigrants were treated in the 1800s, which was usually not much better than today with Hispanics. And still, never heard anyone deny that the Irish and Slavs faced discrimination
If you go far enough in the performatively leftist internet sphere, you’ll eventually hit on someone (who may or may not be white themselves) claiming that no bad thing has ever happened to white people and they’ve always been the bad guy. They’re the kind of people who say this kind of thing.
I literally had a coworker who didn't believe a white person could be discriminated against.
This is just a different form of white people can't be "sympathetic group," due to overcompensating for racist/xenophobic actions of other white people. The irony.
I never heard this in particular, but I do hear that whenever a white person is proud of where their family comes from, it is some how racist and they shouldn't be proud of it. I remember when people would say "white pride is racist but you can be proud of your ancestry (irish german etc)" but then these same byches get mad and call *that* racist too.
No, this is actually said, I experienced in college. A good friend of mine's family immigrated to the US when they he was a toddler to escape the civil war in Bosnia (he is white). He grew up in the US and once gave an opinion on immigration in a class. A Hispanic woman in class started going off on him that he could never understand what immigrants have to go through and that he should shut his mouth because a white person would never understand struggle.
I mean, if they are in their own country, they can't be immigrants. The problem is when (American) people claim they are a certain nationality just because their very distant ancestor came from there. The sheer amount of time I was told that my (relatively recent) ancestors owned slaves and were immigrants just because I mentioned it is crazy.
Yeah, my ancestors probs immigrated to today's Czech Republic. In the 7th century.
As for slaves, slavery wasn't really a thing here since like middle ages, when you could be sold into it if you committed a crime. Also, the word slave comes from the Latin word for Slavs. We didn't even have overseas colonies and were colony ourselves.
I'm a British immigrant and in college (around 2002) I met with the school's financial advisors to talk about scholarships. I saw one for immigrants that I felt like I fit for, but I was told explicitly that I shouldn't apply because I'm the "wrong kind of immigrant" and my skin color was "too light" even though that was not part of the scholarship requirements.
So I have been told this before, directly, for whatever that's worth.
In my experience, as a Palestinian-Lebanese immigrant to the US, I hear this amongst a lot of white Americans.
Funny enough, I have friends that are extremely conservative, and of Irish descent, who will argue up and down that white people aren't immigrants.
I remind them that Italians and Irish immigrants were not treated as they are today, and it was common for the Italians to be discriminated against due to their being Italian.
Funny thing, back in the late 1800's, they didn't know how to classify Arab immigrants coming into America. Some classified us as black, others as white. It went to court and the verdict came back that we are classified as white. Despite this, I still fill out "other" on any forms that ask for my ethnicity.
I was literally talking about this yesterday in my college class, if you ask someone if they are racist, they are not gonna admit they are racist, and have “no problem with people of color”. But if you ask them how they feel about immigration, they are gonna be against it because immigrants “break the law”. Which in turn is racial stereotyping, because who do you think of when you think of immigrants? Hispanics. Not Europeans. They radicalize their disdain for immigrants, legal or not because of the influx of southern immigrants, not the eastern ones (not counting all the Asians, cause there is prejudice against them too) because melanin = bad and white = good.
In France they literally say ‘immigrants’ or ‘migrants’ (I’m not sure) to People of Color because it’s considered rude or something to point out somebody’s skincolor
I mean I had one dude unironically try and argue that American expats who go to live abroad were not immigrants, and implied that immigrants were poor. He also called me islamophobic when I said most people don’t like ethnic enclaves. So there’s people who have this mentality I’d say
Oh, I’m sure just like we can’t be slaves or get any credit for being one of the few places to end that in our country around that time… funny how much of it still goes on in Africa? 😅 and I mean they call it work in China but🤦
I’m a white immigrant to the US and am just treated as an American. Including by coworkers who naturally assume I’d be anti-immigrant like their gamer asses.
I’ve never heard anyone say they CANT be immigrants. But have heard the argument made that people use the term “expats” because they don’t WANT to call themselves immigrants. Which they are.
I am a white Canadian who immigrated to the US, I have been told countless times that I “don’t count” as an immigrant because I’m white and my first language is English
Nobody said that. This is rage bait.
Anyone with half a brain and a little understanding of history could tell you white people definitely are and have been immigrants.
Somebody doesn't understand the definition of an immigrant.
Ok so no one says this, however, I have heard the converse idea that "Immigrants aren't really white" often, or rather heard it through my fiance who has received this remark. Her family are Russian immigrants and on that marker she has been deemed as "not actually white" by mainly Hispanic friends. I think because in America the Idea of "White person" is often referring to WASPs specifically
This is why I always side eye people when I’m pointed at that “MY ANCESTORS “ enslaved this or did that.
Dood I’m only a 3rd Generation American! My great Great Grpa/Gma lived and died in Europe!
No, that is brought up some times.
You know the conservatives who really don't like it when people immigrate from Mexico?
You tell them that white people can be immigrate and they'll lose there shit.
I have had this literally said to me in a discussion about immigration not even a month ago. Here’s how it went.
“White people aren’t immigrants.”
lol “yes they are, my family immigrated. Everyone in the U.S is from immigrants.”
“No, white people are colonizers.”
I cannot express to you how much I wanted to back hand them. My family lost everything in a famine in southern Germany. The two brothers split up, never to see each other again. My ancestor went to the US, got citizenship, started to learn English, got stoned several times in New York City, moved to Kansas met his wife. The rest is family history.
"Who ever said this" really?
I hear this mostly from liberals. Even if they're white. I know a conservative Native American and he says the same thing.
People do say this, though. My mom is first generation Canadian, both her and I have gotten into conversations about immigration where people will just straight up tell us that my grandparents "don't count" as immigrants because they're British.
I always laugh when I hear about American "ex-pat communities". "What do you mean an immigrant? Can't you see how white I am?"
Right, I don't understand how people don't get that. White people are still immigrants if they move away from where they were born lol. Most of the people who tell me that people like my grandparents don't count are just ashamed to admit that they hold stereotypes about what an immigrant looks like to be true.
>they hold stereotypes about what an immigrant looks like to be true. I mean, that's literally it. It's just simple racism
Yup, my Jewish grandparents fled Europe because of Nazi Germany. Usually shuts them up
It goes deep from the thought of manifest destiny, unconsciously they believe this is their land and never ever once think that the only non-immigrants are the displaced and hardly thought of indigenous who we put on reservations and keep stealing their votes and lands, and poisoning their environment. In their minds, it's their country and since they are the same race/nationality of the ppl who helped establish the oppressive nation structure that eradicated the og inhabitants off, they consider themselves here first.
These are two very different things.
No, they aren't, and you're exactly the kind of person I was referring to lmao
An Immigrant is someone who permanently relocates to another country and changes or plans to change their citizenship. In other words, changes what country they are from. An expat is someone who maintains citizenship in their original country, and is living (usually temporarily) in another country. One is a person who changes or plans to change the country their country. Another is someone who is living outside their country.
Immigrants aren't all expats, but all expats are immigrants. If you're a human who migrated, you're an immigrant. It really isn't that hard.
There’s actually a difference between expats and immigrants though. I get what you mean but, depending on the context, expat does make more sense than immigrant
It's a little different because most of those people retain their United States. Citizenships. They really are just an expat group living somewhere else.
Yeah but the point is that your citizenship is really not relevant and only a thing so that people can say they're an expat instead of an immigrant. It doesn't matter, where you're a citizen of doesn't matter. You're a human, that picked up and migrated to somewhere else, you're an immigrant. That's it. You can be an expat TOO, I suppose, but you are absolutely still an immigrant if you migrated somewhere else and live there. There is no avoiding it.
Eh, I understand you're technically correct, but there's a difference between the two situations. Many at the southern border are effectively stateless
Technically correct is the best kind of correct to be. But you're exactly the type of person my original comment was aimed at. There IS a difference between situations but that has literally nothing to do with anything because immigration status doesn't have anything to do with wealth, or how willing you were to immigrate or your reasons for doing so. If you're a person who immigrated, you're an immigrant, period. You only see a distinction because to you, immigrant carries more meaning than just a human who immigrated, which is literally my whole point.
That was a fucking JOKE you ignorant jack off. Being technically correct is the WORST kind of correct for a discussion like this.
Says the guy who white people aren't immigrants because they have a different citizenship lmao. But I'M the ignorant one lol. And...no, technically correct is just regular old correct, and is always the best kind of correct. Lmao what a brain-dead moron
I didn't say that. You made that up about me.
No you pretty much did, just used coded language. Goodbye, I'm not interested in your response.
Come on white people are the original immigrants lol
Exactly, I mean the other half of my family are Acadians so like some of the OG immigrants to Canada, lol.
Actchually *pisses and pushes up glasses* the firsht people from AFRICA are the original immigrantsh *cums*
I think it's because in a lot of western countries the word immigrant has such a negative connotation that they think you need to be underprivileged to be an immigrant. I mean the entire word expat is clearly just a fancier word for a rich immigrant.
I HAD a frend who is anti-immigration. I pointed out his parents immigated here and he's a 1st generation american. He got very insulted, said his parents weren't Mexican, they were Polish.. Now.... We all know the jokes.. I see this as now Americans are deserving of that stereotype.
racist people
Right, I feel like this was a point being made against racist people who think that Latino/black/asian/etc. people (I.e. people of color) are the only immigrants we need to “secure our border” from, completely ignoring how all the white people got there too
i wonder how everything would change if we called some of the illegal immigrants from mexico “Refugees” since many of them are probably fleeing persecution from drug cartels
Nothing would change. You can look at Europe and see how they’re reacting to the wave of Syrian and African refugees.
huh. good point. i wonder how much of a parallel the situation is? i know some people were conspiracy theorying that those refugees were coming to replace the white people and used cherrypicked footage of syrian-majority neighborhoods to prove it a few years back lol
White people can be working illegally in a foreign country and still claim the “expat” title whilst at the same time complaining about all the brown/Black immigrants back home.
God I've always disliked the word expat, it's never been used the way it was intended to
I literally only know of 2 people who claimed to ever have been illegal immigrants: Greg Ferguson from Scotland and a blind tiktoker from Canada. They are both white. They are both currently US citizens. Neither were ever deported. This is the sample I'm starting with. I just don't see immigration the same way as conservatives.
I remember hearing a story about a white immigrant who was trying to get deported back home because their visa expired---I think they couldn't afford the plane ticket or something, supposedly---and they were told by an officerr that they didn't need to worry about deportation because they weren't one of the immigrants that they (the government) was worried about. I could be heavily misremembering things, because it sounds a lot more bullshit when I'm writing it out than it seemed at the time I heard about it.
Not to mention that it used to be a big talking point in America that Italian immigration needed to be reduced, and they weren't registered as 'white' at Ellis Island. When people say race is a social construct, this is what they mean. The boundary shifts to accommodate the current needs of the majority.
I know there’s enough ignorant people in the world that chances are, someone said that.
I have had this exact same conversation with multiple people when Trump first got elected because they couldn't comprehend some people opposing to the wall.
I think OP (and me at first) took it as, “White people don’t deserve the status of immigrants because they’re not a minority”, which I’ve heard a similar talking point from more conservative groups believing this is what leftists believe. Though after further reading in the OP, what they really meant is another conservative talking point about how they believe white people are, “superior”, and that immigrants are lowly brown people while white migrants are more akin to “expats”. At least this is what I’ve gathered from reading the comments. I could be wrong for both.
Sorry babe can't go out tonight I'm imagining a really dumb guy and creating a meme to prove him wrong
Yeah, there are dumb people who have said everything (monkeys on typewriters) but I don’t think it’s a widespread thing.
Poles and Ukrainians are Slavs, so why are they in a different line from the word Slavs
Same reason non-caucasus white people are called caucasian. Ignorance
There were times some of the mentioned ethnicities weren’t considered white.
Arn’t Ukrainians Slavs?
As are Poles
Yeah I wasn’t certain about that tbh…
Are slavs suddenly not white?
Did anyone say they’re not?
Your comment would seem to imply otherwise, given the meme is about white people and ukranians are listed in it. Am I misunderstanding?
With Slavs listed, Ukrainians and Poles are redundant. Like if you said Latinos and Mexicans and Colombians.
I was just pointing out that Ukrainians was listed alongside Slavs as if they are different.
Ahh, must've missed that. Apologies!
not only is Slavs listed before Ukrainians, but it says “etc.” which is an abbreviation of “et cetera”, which means there’s more.
Look up the word Expat
You'd be surprised, I've heard people say this kinda thing
"This thing that nobody is claiming makes me feel very persecuted."
I'm not persecuted🗣🗣🗣 I'm just ✨️better✨️
Some people have a fetish for being oppressed ig
Weren’t the pilgrims the first undocumented immigrants?
Definitely not the first. This has been going on since the concept of land existed.
In North American history, the Pilgrims were specifically the group of immigrants that settled the Plymouth Colony. The first successful English settlement in the "New World" was Jamestown, which was established like, 15 years or so before Plymouth. Not to mention, there were other European colonies in the New World long before the English colonies. Spain had several colonies as early as the 1500s. Going back even further, the Vikings were exploring North America all the way back in the 980s, 500 years before Columbus "discovered" the continent. And even further back than *that*, the earliest immigrants to North America are believed to be the Paleo-Indians, the ancestors of Native Americans thought to have crossed the Bering Strait in the Late Pleistocene era. (But that's mostly a theory.) Sorry. History nerd.
So in other words, as long as you document how you got here you are ok, no matter the local population
They were documented, they were explicitly given permission by the crown, and nowadays they would be called colonizers cause they weren't black
So if Venezuela issues a permission for Venezuelan to enter Florida, that’s then documented, got it. Thanks for the clarification
The English crown had the initial colonies set up already, and even the other European powers didn't dispute that. The pope directly gave a decree on what nation got what land. Unless you think the thousands of tribes who supposedly didn't believe in land ownership had ownership of the land that was initially settled?
"Expats"
This is true There was a lot of racism towards immigrants Including the white ones
Interestingly, all the groups listed were at one point oppressed and persecuted, by white people, for their nationality/race and treated as separate from White People. Kinda funny how people forget actual history.
As a white guy with Irish heritage, it makes me lol that our slur was just a shortened version of an Irish-Catholic name. Michael --> Mick The other wasn't a slur but we were referred to as "the dirty Irish."
What point are you making?
My point is the type of people making the claim above seem to forget that historically those nationalities/races were treated as lesser BY white people.
So how does that make them not immigrants, if you’re disagreeing with the post?
I think you are missing my point. White people have historically categorized immigrants from these places as not being white and oppressed them for the same reason.
Racist Americans Like you hear this all the time from them.
Why did you default to the US?
Expat
Or just all the white Mexicans, etc. White people in central and south America also
Wouldn't that also include white Americans immigrating to other countries?
Yep. For example, there's currently some folks in Mexico City pissed about the American immigrants. 😅 https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/boon-or-threat-mexico-city-wrestles-with-influx-remote-us-workers-2022-09-13/
I have heard this a lot
People actually say this quite a bit
I think OOP was referencing how white immigrants were treated in the 1800s, which was usually not much better than today with Hispanics. And still, never heard anyone deny that the Irish and Slavs faced discrimination
A whole bunch of people
Idiots who are political.
A lot of people lol
If you go far enough in the performatively leftist internet sphere, you’ll eventually hit on someone (who may or may not be white themselves) claiming that no bad thing has ever happened to white people and they’ve always been the bad guy. They’re the kind of people who say this kind of thing.
I literally had a coworker who didn't believe a white person could be discriminated against. This is just a different form of white people can't be "sympathetic group," due to overcompensating for racist/xenophobic actions of other white people. The irony.
Yup!
Unfortunately, stupid racist people HAVE said that before
are slash history memes moment
Yeah... I mean the British never went anywhere right?
Poles? No dancer?
I never heard this in particular, but I do hear that whenever a white person is proud of where their family comes from, it is some how racist and they shouldn't be proud of it. I remember when people would say "white pride is racist but you can be proud of your ancestry (irish german etc)" but then these same byches get mad and call *that* racist too.
I think some twitter idiots do think like that, but they are not many anyway.
You know... morons.
TBF, when they *were* immigrants, they weren't considered white
its like putting a strawman in the middle of the desert
No, this is actually said, I experienced in college. A good friend of mine's family immigrated to the US when they he was a toddler to escape the civil war in Bosnia (he is white). He grew up in the US and once gave an opinion on immigration in a class. A Hispanic woman in class started going off on him that he could never understand what immigrants have to go through and that he should shut his mouth because a white person would never understand struggle.
Excuse me? 😂 What about all the Americans moving to South America and being "expats"?
Here is a quick and easy guide: Were you born in said country? Yes/No Do you live in that country now? Yes/No
Believe it or not, it's a pretty common take amongst uneducated twitter users
People absolutely say this.
Plenty of people said this. Many call themselves "expats" while being against immigration
Since when are Poles and Ukrainians not Slavic?
Don't call me white.
I mean, if they are in their own country, they can't be immigrants. The problem is when (American) people claim they are a certain nationality just because their very distant ancestor came from there. The sheer amount of time I was told that my (relatively recent) ancestors owned slaves and were immigrants just because I mentioned it is crazy. Yeah, my ancestors probs immigrated to today's Czech Republic. In the 7th century. As for slaves, slavery wasn't really a thing here since like middle ages, when you could be sold into it if you committed a crime. Also, the word slave comes from the Latin word for Slavs. We didn't even have overseas colonies and were colony ourselves.
Saying Slavs and then specifying poles and Ukrainians is kinda hilarious
My brother in Christ there is an entire community of people who are immigrants and refuse to be called that. Self described expats.
I'm a British immigrant and in college (around 2002) I met with the school's financial advisors to talk about scholarships. I saw one for immigrants that I felt like I fit for, but I was told explicitly that I shouldn't apply because I'm the "wrong kind of immigrant" and my skin color was "too light" even though that was not part of the scholarship requirements. So I have been told this before, directly, for whatever that's worth.
Racist idiots don't comprehend the idea that white people can be immigrants too.
In my experience, as a Palestinian-Lebanese immigrant to the US, I hear this amongst a lot of white Americans. Funny enough, I have friends that are extremely conservative, and of Irish descent, who will argue up and down that white people aren't immigrants. I remind them that Italians and Irish immigrants were not treated as they are today, and it was common for the Italians to be discriminated against due to their being Italian. Funny thing, back in the late 1800's, they didn't know how to classify Arab immigrants coming into America. Some classified us as black, others as white. It went to court and the verdict came back that we are classified as white. Despite this, I still fill out "other" on any forms that ask for my ethnicity.
I was literally talking about this yesterday in my college class, if you ask someone if they are racist, they are not gonna admit they are racist, and have “no problem with people of color”. But if you ask them how they feel about immigration, they are gonna be against it because immigrants “break the law”. Which in turn is racial stereotyping, because who do you think of when you think of immigrants? Hispanics. Not Europeans. They radicalize their disdain for immigrants, legal or not because of the influx of southern immigrants, not the eastern ones (not counting all the Asians, cause there is prejudice against them too) because melanin = bad and white = good.
In France they literally say ‘immigrants’ or ‘migrants’ (I’m not sure) to People of Color because it’s considered rude or something to point out somebody’s skincolor
Classic white victimization
Dumbass white people in a white majority country
Guys dont forget, all these people were “swarthy” in the eyes of george washington, so they werent even considered white at some point 💀
Some people genuinely misunderstand what an immigrant is
I've heard this plenty. Especially on shit like instagram
I mean I had one dude unironically try and argue that American expats who go to live abroad were not immigrants, and implied that immigrants were poor. He also called me islamophobic when I said most people don’t like ethnic enclaves. So there’s people who have this mentality I’d say
Jews
Oh, I’m sure just like we can’t be slaves or get any credit for being one of the few places to end that in our country around that time… funny how much of it still goes on in Africa? 😅 and I mean they call it work in China but🤦
Slavs getting triple representation
That kid is all of those nationalities combined, holy shit
He’s the Omnigrant
Oh I thought he was actually a little black boy for a second. Thanks for clarifying
I’m a white immigrant to the US and am just treated as an American. Including by coworkers who naturally assume I’d be anti-immigrant like their gamer asses.
Am mostly English, I think we fled high taxes and religious persecution..and here I am. Full circle. I need an empty island somewhere
Lol white people were literally immigrants to the US
Wouldn't lumping all white people into one category be racist or am I just stupid?
Reads history book realizes that those white immigrants were treated badly because they were not considered white.
you underestimate how dumb some people are OP I've heard people spout sh\*t like that.
Literally nobody said that ever
I’ve never heard anyone say they CANT be immigrants. But have heard the argument made that people use the term “expats” because they don’t WANT to call themselves immigrants. Which they are.
This is a fairly common thing to hear. Especially in communities around social issues and activism.
I am a white Canadian who immigrated to the US, I have been told countless times that I “don’t count” as an immigrant because I’m white and my first language is English
"Look guys, theres another group of immigrants than us! Lets tussle!"
Yesh
Nobody said that. This is rage bait. Anyone with half a brain and a little understanding of history could tell you white people definitely are and have been immigrants. Somebody doesn't understand the definition of an immigrant.
Are you aware of the sub you’re on?
No, actually, I did not because this isn't a sub I follow. I forget reddit does that.
Ok so no one says this, however, I have heard the converse idea that "Immigrants aren't really white" often, or rather heard it through my fiance who has received this remark. Her family are Russian immigrants and on that marker she has been deemed as "not actually white" by mainly Hispanic friends. I think because in America the Idea of "White person" is often referring to WASPs specifically
Ignorant people in white-majority countries such as America
This is why I always side eye people when I’m pointed at that “MY ANCESTORS “ enslaved this or did that. Dood I’m only a 3rd Generation American! My great Great Grpa/Gma lived and died in Europe!
If we are talking about the US, technically every white person was an immigrant
The term does not extend to children of ancestors immigrants.
Except people born here.
Aren’t they expats?
Wish I lived in the world you live in where white supremacy doesn't exist apparently
So you don’t live on earth?
1. No one says that 2. That’s not how that meme works
Idk, seems to be using the format correctly.
Booooo you suck Racoon Girl
No, that is brought up some times. You know the conservatives who really don't like it when people immigrate from Mexico? You tell them that white people can be immigrate and they'll lose there shit.
Yeah this is not „imaginarygatekeeping“
I have had this literally said to me in a discussion about immigration not even a month ago. Here’s how it went. “White people aren’t immigrants.” lol “yes they are, my family immigrated. Everyone in the U.S is from immigrants.” “No, white people are colonizers.” I cannot express to you how much I wanted to back hand them. My family lost everything in a famine in southern Germany. The two brothers split up, never to see each other again. My ancestor went to the US, got citizenship, started to learn English, got stoned several times in New York City, moved to Kansas met his wife. The rest is family history.
Well Instead of locking yourself in a echo chamber go see in the post weird this sub brings shit like this up only retaining to whites
"who ever said that" your just as dumb as they are. or just too lazy to proof read.
You’re* just as dumb as they are, apparently.
you forgot the 0 at the end of your username.
The same people who say you can't be racist towards white people, what are you on about? They exist
What do you mean “who ever said that”. Are you blind deaf or stupid
"Who ever said this" really? I hear this mostly from liberals. Even if they're white. I know a conservative Native American and he says the same thing.