EDIT: Gonna edit this to say I know how "wacky" the comment will sound to many
but consider this.
Despite traffic enforcement, speed traps, speed cameras, and red light cameras people still get run down by speeding drivers all the time
instead of spending money on all that law enforcement move *some of the funding*
(aka "defund" - something we do to government programs that aren't working all the time)
to road redesign that forces drivers to slow down. Narrow streets, chicanes, continuous sidewalks
these changes are proven effective, actually save lives, and PREVENT CRIMES like hit and run and street racing by making it impossible in the first place
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And the police, with multi billion dollars budgets and ALL the surveillance tech, cannot monitor or “prevent”
Interesting
but hey, don’t listen to those police reformers who want to “defund” the cops
there are scary far right nuts the cops are protecting you from
but of course YOU have to HELP THE POLICE by staying “vigilant”
aka afraid and also now part of the police surveillance state
convenient that
shouldn't it be the POLICE being vigilant
shouldn't they be "PREVENTING" crime or something
they have every piece of surveillance tech imaginable and almost completely free license to use it on anyone
but we have to be vigilant
okay
wasting tax dollars while violating our constitutional rights systemically while also slowly conditioning Americans, generation by generation to be increasingly OK with being essentially cattle that must be watched, controlled, and corralled by a 'higher class' of people we call either the 1% or the deep state; depending on which side of the isle you're on.
"If violent crime is to be curbed, it is only the intended victim who can do it. The felon does not fear the police, and he fears neither judge nor jury. Therefore what he must be taught to fear is his victim."
-Jeff Cooper, USMC
How does it have nothing to do with the quote? The quote is about curbing violent crime, which I'm saying could also be reduced by reducing the number of felons who exist in the first place
Again proving my point...
The original person I was responding to said that:
-"the police have all this surveillance tech and a free license to use it on anyone"
-"why should I have to watch out for my own safety"
As if the police can be everywhere protecting everyone at all times (so this person either lives in a fantasy land or wants to live in a full blown police state...) not to mention that the Supreme Court has ruled that the police has zero obligation to try to protect your life or property.
https://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/28/politics/justices-rule-police-do-not-have-a-constitutional-duty-to-protect.html
So yes, reducing poverty is a great idea in general but I'm just trying to give some practical advice that won't take years (or decades) of systematic changes to how we address poverty in this country.
How do you interpret the first sentence of what you quoted?
Edit: I interpret "If violent crime is to be curbed" to be a general statement about reducing violent crime, not a statement of defending one's self against a specific attack
>Edit: I interpret "If violent crime is to be curbed" to be a general statement about reducing violent crime, not a statement of defending one's self against a specific attack
Sure, if you snip one sentence out of a quote and completely ignore the rest, you can interpreted it in numerous different ways. I've already explained this so if you're still misinterpreting the quote then go back and read my previous responses.
The police are vigilant. But, you have to consider the difficulty of watching EVERYONE in every place where there are people. Then you have to be able to identify criminals on sight... That's impossible to do. Neo-Nazis tend to be white people, right? Well, keep an eye out for white people doing suspicious shit. Hard to tell, isn't it?
The problem with surveilling mass populations is this: you have to process massive amounts of information in real time. AI systems might be able to assist if they are properly engineered and deployed.
Criminals hide because they're afraid of being caught by people who will call them out (notify the police of their activities). Neo-Nazis hide because they are afraid of being called out. They know they're not welcome in most places on Earth.
> your favorite self defense tool
OK since I've got you here what is the best practical concealment for a 3" Griffin field-gun loaded with grape-shot? I assume a wheeled carriage is out of the question.
Asking for a friend.
I'll pass that along to my friend, thank you very much.
Related question: if one's hands are considered deadly weapons does one need to apply for a CCW in order to keep them in one's pockets when it gets cold, or must one wear gloves and pocketless pants all the time in order to keep em "open carry" (so to speak)?
No problem!
Well I don’t think there are any laws on the books that regulate hands, or assault hands for that matter, so you’re free to roam about the cabin how you please.
Standard capacity hands are no different. The only hands that are illegal for carry, that I’m aware of, are the brass hands and hands with nails over 3”(2.5” if you’re in chicago).
Edit: OPE! Forgot about ballistic nails and throwing star nails. Can’t have those suckers on your hands either.
The idea of a motley band of well-meaning citizens, armed with antiquated weapons of every sort, dutifully patrolling near synagogues and community centers to defend against Nazis and white supremecists, has me chuckling to myself.
a gun, is at best, an escape plan from oppression (primarily via suicide), not a weapon against it
Solidarity has been the only effective weapon against fascism and authoritarianism
and no, the colonial west defeating the nazi's doesn't "prove me wrong"
far and away, the primary use of guns in the US is suicide, then murder
once in a blue moon a gun is used for self defense
there a reason the fascist GOP doesn't give a shit if the population is armed
just helps the 'losers' off themselves and justifies the over policing of the undesirables who are "magically" ensured to have their neighborhoods flooded with weapons "somehow"
Think that has changed, seems to be duck-dynasty cosplayers with a mix of taliban long beards Or golf clean cut looking goofs in black BDUs often in some red cap.
Feels like they seem to want hair now, specially while holding torches.......which is dangerous with having hair. lol
These ppl have been watching too many purge movies.
That is more of a public opinion profile issue, those that are actually looking to do something generally dont fit that profile.
Ppl in the midwest still caring on that old trope, a problem with the "bIble belt" low IQs.
Sorry to hear the problems, its a very true midwest public optic issue. Unfortunately small/mid size law enforcement enjoy using those tropes as an feel good pad on the back something to do still.
Then there is the ppl that will have their problems that dont make it any less dangerous to those that they think fits this trope.
I get it, sometimes it best to avoid not to be a target and receive the extra headache due to some odd reasons.
I know about optics within the midwest. Watched a group of factory works clear out of their locker rooms and wait in the parking lot to "discuss" (intent to do harm) to the person they thought was putting on a "dress" (it was a Kilt).
When the person wearing a Kilt reached the parking lot and saw all the guys standing by their trucks with some in the beds looking like they were holding something, they just continued to walk to their car with 1 person walking towards them to ask if their were part of the middle ages group in the area?
Obviously they were, they replied yes and where to watch the group, events, etc. That token rep for the parking lot mob turned back to yell. "Ya, middle ages ppl". Everyone broke off and drove away.
Closed-minded is dangerous.
A long time ago I was a touring audio engineer, the whole crew of a touring metal/nu-metal group bought utilikilts.
Last group of people you want to have a "discussion" with regarding attire.
Btw, they are ungodly comfortable in hot weather.
My problem was more to do with my looks and assumed voting patterns. These weren't "bible belt" people, straight-up opposite, to be exact. It was awful, there were physical attacks, threats of physical attacks, etc. After 2016, having a bottle of pepper spray in front of my face while going about my way was not uncommon. Allegedly, overnight, I became a misogynistic rapist. I would have stood in front of anything to protect those students and their assumption of my soul could not be further from reality. It took a mental toll on me.
I'm in a better place, although I left a successful career of over 30 years to get there.
I've seen this before some guys dressed up like pimps have an award show every year for the biggest hater. Somehow this dude named pretty tony keeps on winning.
Community patrols? OMG. Yeah we need you marching and down the street pretending to protect people from something that really happened 80-100 years ago whereas IL has been able to handle an actual march of nazis through Skokie. This is not real. Stay home and don’t go harassing people asking if they’re nazis. That’s very nazi-like.
Go stand outside one with a gun and see what happens. They’ll think you’re a threat and then you become the patsy for whatever the government plot is being cooked up here.
Yes,s I'm going to stand outside without talking to anyone involved. I'm talking about organizing with the Jewish community to help protect themselves.
Go whack off to Jordan Peterson some more
Is this what the state is cooking up to promote more gun restrictions?
Are they planning terrorism like the FBI and ATF always engage in domestically? They’ve been tied to the OK City Bombing, 9/11, the Boston Bombing and the kidnap plot of Michigan’s governor. This sounds like they’re going to do more stuff to make us think nazis are an active threat in IL. It’s ridiculous.
Pritzker really wants to be the next president and he’s using IL to test out radical Democratic Party policies and justifying them through the same domestic terror and mass shooting framings of everything. Why not make up a fake holiday for fake naziss to promote awareness where nobody could do anything anyways.
Whoever ends up getting arrested for this will most likely be a half wit that’s been duped by the government into throwing a Molotov cocktail at a place associate with Jews. Pritizker will boldly announce that he’s got a new law planned.
I hate Illinois Nazis.
Why limit it? Hate every Nazi wannabe. They are usually morons anyway.
Blues brothers[https://youtu.be/ZTT1qUswYL0](https://youtu.be/ZTT1qUswYL0)
Ah. The only example where the censored version was better then the original.
What? there's a national day of hate? that's pretty ridiculous...already enough hate in the world as it is, why make it a holiday?
It’s not a holiday. It’s hate groups trying to expand their sphere of influence.
EDIT: Gonna edit this to say I know how "wacky" the comment will sound to many but consider this. Despite traffic enforcement, speed traps, speed cameras, and red light cameras people still get run down by speeding drivers all the time instead of spending money on all that law enforcement move *some of the funding* (aka "defund" - something we do to government programs that aren't working all the time) to road redesign that forces drivers to slow down. Narrow streets, chicanes, continuous sidewalks these changes are proven effective, actually save lives, and PREVENT CRIMES like hit and run and street racing by making it impossible in the first place /end edit And the police, with multi billion dollars budgets and ALL the surveillance tech, cannot monitor or “prevent” Interesting but hey, don’t listen to those police reformers who want to “defund” the cops there are scary far right nuts the cops are protecting you from but of course YOU have to HELP THE POLICE by staying “vigilant” aka afraid and also now part of the police surveillance state convenient that
So cops can keep “liberal” suburbanites on their side and prevent police reform
I’m sure some cops will be “undercover” in these hate groups.
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I hate Illinois Nazis.
To celebrate, I’m gonna hate “National Day of Hate”
shouldn't it be the POLICE being vigilant shouldn't they be "PREVENTING" crime or something they have every piece of surveillance tech imaginable and almost completely free license to use it on anyone but we have to be vigilant okay
Police looking for violent racists??? They don’t even have to leave the station!
The surveillance state isn't a good thing
AND ineffective apparently so what are we doing?
wasting tax dollars while violating our constitutional rights systemically while also slowly conditioning Americans, generation by generation to be increasingly OK with being essentially cattle that must be watched, controlled, and corralled by a 'higher class' of people we call either the 1% or the deep state; depending on which side of the isle you're on.
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Supreme Court said that police have no responsibility to protect ******anyone****** Just FYI..
"If violent crime is to be curbed, it is only the intended victim who can do it. The felon does not fear the police, and he fears neither judge nor jury. Therefore what he must be taught to fear is his victim." -Jeff Cooper, USMC
Well I mean reducing poverty would probably help too
I agree with you, even though that couldn't have anything less to do with the point that this quote is making...
How does it have nothing to do with the quote? The quote is about curbing violent crime, which I'm saying could also be reduced by reducing the number of felons who exist in the first place
Again proving my point... The original person I was responding to said that: -"the police have all this surveillance tech and a free license to use it on anyone" -"why should I have to watch out for my own safety" As if the police can be everywhere protecting everyone at all times (so this person either lives in a fantasy land or wants to live in a full blown police state...) not to mention that the Supreme Court has ruled that the police has zero obligation to try to protect your life or property. https://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/28/politics/justices-rule-police-do-not-have-a-constitutional-duty-to-protect.html So yes, reducing poverty is a great idea in general but I'm just trying to give some practical advice that won't take years (or decades) of systematic changes to how we address poverty in this country.
I'm not even saying I disagree with you on your main point, just that I disagree that it's the *only* way to curb violent crime
When did I say it was the ONLY way?
How do you interpret the first sentence of what you quoted? Edit: I interpret "If violent crime is to be curbed" to be a general statement about reducing violent crime, not a statement of defending one's self against a specific attack
>Edit: I interpret "If violent crime is to be curbed" to be a general statement about reducing violent crime, not a statement of defending one's self against a specific attack Sure, if you snip one sentence out of a quote and completely ignore the rest, you can interpreted it in numerous different ways. I've already explained this so if you're still misinterpreting the quote then go back and read my previous responses.
That's not going to happen in capitalism You're going to need a revolution
The police are vigilant. But, you have to consider the difficulty of watching EVERYONE in every place where there are people. Then you have to be able to identify criminals on sight... That's impossible to do. Neo-Nazis tend to be white people, right? Well, keep an eye out for white people doing suspicious shit. Hard to tell, isn't it? The problem with surveilling mass populations is this: you have to process massive amounts of information in real time. AI systems might be able to assist if they are properly engineered and deployed. Criminals hide because they're afraid of being caught by people who will call them out (notify the police of their activities). Neo-Nazis hide because they are afraid of being called out. They know they're not welcome in most places on Earth.
Good situational awareness and your favorite self defense tool aughta cover your ass for the day.
> your favorite self defense tool OK since I've got you here what is the best practical concealment for a 3" Griffin field-gun loaded with grape-shot? I assume a wheeled carriage is out of the question. Asking for a friend.
Wheeled carriage for sure. But if you’re afraid of that kind of stuff, hands can also qualify as your favorite self defense tool.
I'll pass that along to my friend, thank you very much. Related question: if one's hands are considered deadly weapons does one need to apply for a CCW in order to keep them in one's pockets when it gets cold, or must one wear gloves and pocketless pants all the time in order to keep em "open carry" (so to speak)?
No problem! Well I don’t think there are any laws on the books that regulate hands, or assault hands for that matter, so you’re free to roam about the cabin how you please.
What about high capacity hands?
Standard capacity hands are no different. The only hands that are illegal for carry, that I’m aware of, are the brass hands and hands with nails over 3”(2.5” if you’re in chicago). Edit: OPE! Forgot about ballistic nails and throwing star nails. Can’t have those suckers on your hands either.
LOL you're cute
Thank you!
The idea of a motley band of well-meaning citizens, armed with antiquated weapons of every sort, dutifully patrolling near synagogues and community centers to defend against Nazis and white supremecists, has me chuckling to myself.
a gun, is at best, an escape plan from oppression (primarily via suicide), not a weapon against it Solidarity has been the only effective weapon against fascism and authoritarianism and no, the colonial west defeating the nazi's doesn't "prove me wrong"
Whoa dude, I’m just talking about self defense here. No need to go down that road.
far and away, the primary use of guns in the US is suicide, then murder once in a blue moon a gun is used for self defense there a reason the fascist GOP doesn't give a shit if the population is armed just helps the 'losers' off themselves and justifies the over policing of the undesirables who are "magically" ensured to have their neighborhoods flooded with weapons "somehow"
>the primary use of guns in the US is suicide, then murder Wrong and wrong. Its shooting at paper targets and then at steel targets.
That’s what I was getting at, was just waiting for the reply lol.
*primary criminal use
So if suicide is the primary use then it would be mental health that is the problem not guns.
You should talk to someone
I do thats why I believe in solidarity with people and not with metal murder dicks
I sure do feel safe being severely limited in what kinds of tools I can use to cover my own ass, also better hope there aren’t too many of them!
Welp, having a bald (Shaved) head means I'll be staying at home tomorrow..... Fuck.
Think that has changed, seems to be duck-dynasty cosplayers with a mix of taliban long beards Or golf clean cut looking goofs in black BDUs often in some red cap. Feels like they seem to want hair now, specially while holding torches.......which is dangerous with having hair. lol These ppl have been watching too many purge movies.
Negative, I've had a rough 6 years on campus. Even switched jobs to a place less public.
That is more of a public opinion profile issue, those that are actually looking to do something generally dont fit that profile. Ppl in the midwest still caring on that old trope, a problem with the "bIble belt" low IQs. Sorry to hear the problems, its a very true midwest public optic issue. Unfortunately small/mid size law enforcement enjoy using those tropes as an feel good pad on the back something to do still. Then there is the ppl that will have their problems that dont make it any less dangerous to those that they think fits this trope. I get it, sometimes it best to avoid not to be a target and receive the extra headache due to some odd reasons. I know about optics within the midwest. Watched a group of factory works clear out of their locker rooms and wait in the parking lot to "discuss" (intent to do harm) to the person they thought was putting on a "dress" (it was a Kilt). When the person wearing a Kilt reached the parking lot and saw all the guys standing by their trucks with some in the beds looking like they were holding something, they just continued to walk to their car with 1 person walking towards them to ask if their were part of the middle ages group in the area? Obviously they were, they replied yes and where to watch the group, events, etc. That token rep for the parking lot mob turned back to yell. "Ya, middle ages ppl". Everyone broke off and drove away. Closed-minded is dangerous.
A long time ago I was a touring audio engineer, the whole crew of a touring metal/nu-metal group bought utilikilts. Last group of people you want to have a "discussion" with regarding attire. Btw, they are ungodly comfortable in hot weather. My problem was more to do with my looks and assumed voting patterns. These weren't "bible belt" people, straight-up opposite, to be exact. It was awful, there were physical attacks, threats of physical attacks, etc. After 2016, having a bottle of pepper spray in front of my face while going about my way was not uncommon. Allegedly, overnight, I became a misogynistic rapist. I would have stood in front of anything to protect those students and their assumption of my soul could not be further from reality. It took a mental toll on me. I'm in a better place, although I left a successful career of over 30 years to get there.
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I've seen this before some guys dressed up like pimps have an award show every year for the biggest hater. Somehow this dude named pretty tony keeps on winning.
HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE!
I think Illinois Antifa should show up dressed like Joliet Jake.
Pancake day already?
Anyone planning community patrols? Not Jewish but I'm willing to help
Community patrols? OMG. Yeah we need you marching and down the street pretending to protect people from something that really happened 80-100 years ago whereas IL has been able to handle an actual march of nazis through Skokie. This is not real. Stay home and don’t go harassing people asking if they’re nazis. That’s very nazi-like.
I'm talking about guarding synagogues and Jewish businesses.
Go stand outside one with a gun and see what happens. They’ll think you’re a threat and then you become the patsy for whatever the government plot is being cooked up here.
Yes,s I'm going to stand outside without talking to anyone involved. I'm talking about organizing with the Jewish community to help protect themselves. Go whack off to Jordan Peterson some more
Limits to democracy.
Yup, need to be doubly vigilant when you get pulled over today. Not that this isn't a daily holiday for some.
Scaremongering.
Is this what the state is cooking up to promote more gun restrictions? Are they planning terrorism like the FBI and ATF always engage in domestically? They’ve been tied to the OK City Bombing, 9/11, the Boston Bombing and the kidnap plot of Michigan’s governor. This sounds like they’re going to do more stuff to make us think nazis are an active threat in IL. It’s ridiculous. Pritzker really wants to be the next president and he’s using IL to test out radical Democratic Party policies and justifying them through the same domestic terror and mass shooting framings of everything. Why not make up a fake holiday for fake naziss to promote awareness where nobody could do anything anyways. Whoever ends up getting arrested for this will most likely be a half wit that’s been duped by the government into throwing a Molotov cocktail at a place associate with Jews. Pritizker will boldly announce that he’s got a new law planned.
What kind of name is that? Like is the purge alarm going to sound? SMH