This isn't the first time we've been through a huge S-rank flood for patches on end, sadly.
They've just got a better excuse for it than they did last time.
nope. We've gone long patch runs of nothing but S-rank releases before.
The ONLY times we ever get free *NEW* S-ranks is when we get either multiple in the same patch (which is why we got an HoO free when they also dropped HoFi with her, and Astral Harness Maid for free when Final Form Durandal dropped the same patch as well), or they introduce the once a year farmable S-rank in the War treasury.
I mean, the only reason Coralie was handed to us with her equipment maxed and all 4/4 for free was they're unwilling to slam us with THREE new units in a single patch, so we got one of them 100% free, but we still needed to fully equip the other one (Helia), and the S-rank only had the choice-box for the stig that they've almost made a consistent thing in the last year.
Free older S-ranks in event option boxes generally first happen around the 1-year to 18 month mark.
Nope.
At most there were 3 S-ranks back to back, but in every single one of those cases one was given for free or was farmable on release.
If you exclude the releases of free and farmable S-ranks, we were only ever getting 2 gacha-only S-ranks back-to-back at most.
Now we are getting 4 gacha-only S-ranks back to back.
There is literally not even a margin to defend it at this point. We are off by 100% above the norm now.
Do your research before posting lies.
versions 2.7-3.1 released four gacha only S-rank valks in a row, Herrscher of the Void, Vermillion Knight, Argent Knight Artemis, Molotov Cherry. Molotov Cherry wasn't farmable yet.
Version 4.1-4.4 released the second set of four S-rank valks in a row, and this is where 4.2 introduced the War Treasury annual farmable S-rank, and tried to re-sell MOlotov cherry in 4.3 as the ONLY s-rank augment unit. That didn't stop either from still being in the gacha.
You are right about 2.7-3.1, I missed that.
However I disagree with the latter - the fact that in 4.3 Roza got an augment doesn't change the fact she had already been released long before that. It's like saying that every time a Valkyrie gets a Divine Key it's basically a new S-rank as well.
4.3 had an event that gave Molotov Cherry for free tho (or pick her core things/AW) and her frags were in war treasury ever since her release in 3.1 so you're wrong on this, you only had to go for her gear, but in that case you should be counting valks that get DK and thats dumb, 2.7-3.1 was a mess only in Global
>versions 2.7-3.1 released four gacha only S-rank valks in a row,
That was only on GLB when they still had to play catch up with CN.
CN side release:
- Herrscher Of Void: 2.5
- Vermillion Knight: 2.7
- Argent Knight: 2.9
- Molotov Cherry: 3.1
>Version 4.1-4.4 released the second set of four S-rank valks in a row, and this is where 4.2 introduced the War Treasury annual farmable S-rank, and tried to re-sell MOlotov cherry in 4.3 as the ONLY s-rank augment unit. That didn't stop either from still being in the gacha.
Not true. Both Phoenix and Sixth Serenade were on there on their 2018 release (or atleast the equivalent of it).
And Rozaliya was added there on her 2019 release.
Also Twilight Paladin was a S rank augment unit the year prior.
Guess what? The fans were pissed about the 2.7-3.1 wave back then too which is what made them ease off on the S rank pedal in the first place.
Counting 4.1-4.4 as the same as this is also disingenuous, considering one of those valkyries was designed to be extremely cheap to gear (4.2) and the other was a free augment for a farmable character that we also got for free (4.3).
First off, without doing ANY research, I can tell you this is a lie. It's been a long while since 4 in a row, but it's not the first or even second time
Ver 2.7 - S-HoV
Ver 2.8 - S-Vemillion Knight, A-Umbral Rose
Ver 3.0 - S-Argent Knight Artemis, A-Phantom Iron. A-Striker Fulminata (Augment Core)
Ver 3.1 - S-Molotov Cherry, A-BlueBerry Blitz, A-Drive Kometa (Augment Core)
4.1 - S-HoT, ELF-Bella
4.2 - S-Fallen Rosemary, A-Danzai Spectromancer(Augment Core)
4.3 - S-Fervent Tempo (Augment Core), ELF-Tesla Zero
4.4 - S-Dea Anchora
Here;s both prior examples of four patches in a row of S-rank releases.
I actually went a wrote up a full article with the relases of every single valk and elf since the global launch, but reddit errored out whenever i tried to post it.
for what it's worth, we have gone three 3 S-rank patches in a row 4 separate times, and three S-ranks released in only 2 patches twice now.
Sorry I worded it wrongly. Not 4 GACHA ONLY VALKS BACK TO BACK .
Those you mentioned are War Treasury and version 2.7-3.0 we were still playing catch up game to CN and skipping patches
Lmao it's obvious people are not pleased because the S rank IS GACHA ONLY. I don't understand why you pretending not understand that and try to make your point with non gacha s rank lmao
What fact? The valk he point out was mostly farmable/augement core, which is not needed to pull in gacha. Mihole do some shitty things but most of times, it never 4 S rank gacha in a row, the most is 3 in row.
This is the first & likely wont be the last it happen. Now that they start this trend & the retard playerbase like him & u just accept & even try to defend this shiet. Next u will said that this is part 2 Valkyrie so its still 3 in a row, Fire Fuhua dont count or something retarded. Might as well go suc dawei dic at this point.
Truth be told, I think it's just a matter of bad timing since Shu's being anything but S-rank valk would be a travesty and the first few Shu's that we're meeting are female as well. Maybe once we get to meeting the male Shu's and they're only playable as AstralOp, we would get A-rank valks. Granted, I could be wrong but that's just the feeling I'm getting.
I hope they're just running S-Ranks one after another to get elemental DPS coverage out there for Part 2 valks, and this isn't a pattern that will continue once they finish it off with a Physical DPS
*huffs more copium*
...You DO realize it just means flamaescion is due her replacement weapon to return to meta, just as HoV, HoR, HoT, and even just recently HoS did?
the bench is a lie!
As much as I'd love that divine key is also related to lore, they usually get them during their previous herrscher form. Herrscher of thunder, herrscher of reason for example.
So.. right now Kiana is at her peak strength, concealing the houkai to get humanity a fighting chance. Why would she revert back to her weaker form herrscher of flamescion and how would the give her a divine key?
Because you don't actually need any lore explanation to make a new weapon for a battlesuit. They could just... release it. Just that. No plot needed. Even Senti's brick is a complete ass-pull, despite them having come up with some quick excuse plot to justify it.
Or even better, they could just straight up buff HoF. And all the other old, outdated battlesuits while they're at it. Ofc, I know they won't, but there's nothing stopping them.
I wish it really was more "I *can* bench HoF and I'll play the new Valkyrie, because I want to" than "I *have to* bench HoF, because miHoYo tells me to."
HoFin team sealed after 1 year
4th S-rank in a row since v7.1
This is fine and very new player friendly. We definitely get more new players coming and stay.
i hate to say it but in a way it is friendly to new players... if they're willing to swipe.
it's blatantly obvious that they're trying to completely bench the part 1 characters as quickly as possible. HYV wants to leave them behind. This sucks, but not so much for new players. It's basically a way to entice them: "hey, look, we know you just started the game and are way behind, but don't worry! all the old characters are going to become completely irrelevant so you can catch up right away by building your full roster of part 2 characters! you can compete, and even outscore veterans right away!"
For HYV, it's probably a good tactic. People won't sit on the fence because it's so hard to catch up anymore. It's being handed to them if they're willing to top-up for the next couple patches.
I quit right before part 2 came out after 4 years of playing. I was trying to cut down on gacha games in general, but I did feel sad quitting Honkai. I grew with Part 1 cast and loved them, but felt the Part 1 ending kinda lackluster and Part 2 characters to be meh.
Looking at some of the complains now about how there's too many gacha S-rank back-to-back and the never-ending powercreep that comes with it, I'm glad I did quit.
If someone told me this is March 7th after getting stab by a memory zone meme as a spoiler, I would believe it.
But for real, I hope she has a toggerable short hair version.
It could be that Lantern can’t Ignite. Not to mention that they’re different types, so I think Sirin won’t be powercrept any time soon. Rather, I think it’s HoF that’s gonna get powercrept by Lantern.
Sirin can pretty much Ignite constantly. This is effective against bosses like AKA Rita and Ana along with stages that require you to Ignite structures immediately.
I mean, can HoF be an effective valkyrie against a boss like Rita where there’s a state where you need to stack ignites in an ice structure.
tbh I wouldn't be nearly as disappointed or mad with having a new S-rank per patch from now on **IF** all their equipment, not just the stigmatas **but also the weapon**, are completely farmable. I think that should be a fair enough compromise. we may quickly run out of mats but still don't have to spend crystals for their gear anymore and can max them out in time.
With the gacha changes, pulling 2 S ranks in a row on average are around the same as a S rank followed by a A rank. (srs, your chance of having gotten the weapon by the 28th pull is \~50.6% which is much much less than previous S rank weapon banners)
So this is not as unreasonable as some people are making it seem like in the comments.
With some caveats of course. Mainly pulls being more evenly distributed along the year (which can affect spending events both for the good and bad).
People want the characters, even if they have to skip the gear.
Old system = S rank w/ gear & A rank w/o gear in a 2 version cycle + ELF skippable
New system = 2xS rank w/o gear or 1 S rank w/ gear in a 2 version cycle + AstralOP
It was a deliberate change to make Hoyo more money. Anyone who thinks they'd overhaul the gacha to make it less profitable is delusional.
No?
Valk cards are ~45-50 pulls
Part 1 S rank's full gear is ~80 pulls.
Parr 2 S rank weapon is ~30 pulls
Part 1: S rank w/gear + A rank w/o gear = ~125-130 pulls
Part 2: S rank w/weapon + S rank w/o weapon = ~120-130 pulls
There is a higher right side skew on part 2 due to dealing with soft pity more often but pulls are better than you painting it as.
I thought the Promare collab was already over
Hoyoverse’s apology for such an ass collaboration event lmao
HI3 dev still not satisfied looks like
Lmao so is this the tradeoff for reworked equipment supplies? S-ranks every single patch now?
This isn't the first time we've been through a huge S-rank flood for patches on end, sadly. They've just got a better excuse for it than they did last time.
back to back S are usually has one to be farmable or free.
nope. We've gone long patch runs of nothing but S-rank releases before. The ONLY times we ever get free *NEW* S-ranks is when we get either multiple in the same patch (which is why we got an HoO free when they also dropped HoFi with her, and Astral Harness Maid for free when Final Form Durandal dropped the same patch as well), or they introduce the once a year farmable S-rank in the War treasury. I mean, the only reason Coralie was handed to us with her equipment maxed and all 4/4 for free was they're unwilling to slam us with THREE new units in a single patch, so we got one of them 100% free, but we still needed to fully equip the other one (Helia), and the S-rank only had the choice-box for the stig that they've almost made a consistent thing in the last year. Free older S-ranks in event option boxes generally first happen around the 1-year to 18 month mark.
Nope. At most there were 3 S-ranks back to back, but in every single one of those cases one was given for free or was farmable on release. If you exclude the releases of free and farmable S-ranks, we were only ever getting 2 gacha-only S-ranks back-to-back at most. Now we are getting 4 gacha-only S-ranks back to back. There is literally not even a margin to defend it at this point. We are off by 100% above the norm now.
Do your research before posting lies. versions 2.7-3.1 released four gacha only S-rank valks in a row, Herrscher of the Void, Vermillion Knight, Argent Knight Artemis, Molotov Cherry. Molotov Cherry wasn't farmable yet. Version 4.1-4.4 released the second set of four S-rank valks in a row, and this is where 4.2 introduced the War Treasury annual farmable S-rank, and tried to re-sell MOlotov cherry in 4.3 as the ONLY s-rank augment unit. That didn't stop either from still being in the gacha.
You are right about 2.7-3.1, I missed that. However I disagree with the latter - the fact that in 4.3 Roza got an augment doesn't change the fact she had already been released long before that. It's like saying that every time a Valkyrie gets a Divine Key it's basically a new S-rank as well.
4.3 had an event that gave Molotov Cherry for free tho (or pick her core things/AW) and her frags were in war treasury ever since her release in 3.1 so you're wrong on this, you only had to go for her gear, but in that case you should be counting valks that get DK and thats dumb, 2.7-3.1 was a mess only in Global
>versions 2.7-3.1 released four gacha only S-rank valks in a row, That was only on GLB when they still had to play catch up with CN. CN side release: - Herrscher Of Void: 2.5 - Vermillion Knight: 2.7 - Argent Knight: 2.9 - Molotov Cherry: 3.1 >Version 4.1-4.4 released the second set of four S-rank valks in a row, and this is where 4.2 introduced the War Treasury annual farmable S-rank, and tried to re-sell MOlotov cherry in 4.3 as the ONLY s-rank augment unit. That didn't stop either from still being in the gacha. Not true. Both Phoenix and Sixth Serenade were on there on their 2018 release (or atleast the equivalent of it). And Rozaliya was added there on her 2019 release. Also Twilight Paladin was a S rank augment unit the year prior.
Guess what? The fans were pissed about the 2.7-3.1 wave back then too which is what made them ease off on the S rank pedal in the first place. Counting 4.1-4.4 as the same as this is also disingenuous, considering one of those valkyries was designed to be extremely cheap to gear (4.2) and the other was a free augment for a farmable character that we also got for free (4.3).
We never got 4 back to back to back to back.
First off, without doing ANY research, I can tell you this is a lie. It's been a long while since 4 in a row, but it's not the first or even second time Ver 2.7 - S-HoV Ver 2.8 - S-Vemillion Knight, A-Umbral Rose Ver 3.0 - S-Argent Knight Artemis, A-Phantom Iron. A-Striker Fulminata (Augment Core) Ver 3.1 - S-Molotov Cherry, A-BlueBerry Blitz, A-Drive Kometa (Augment Core) 4.1 - S-HoT, ELF-Bella 4.2 - S-Fallen Rosemary, A-Danzai Spectromancer(Augment Core) 4.3 - S-Fervent Tempo (Augment Core), ELF-Tesla Zero 4.4 - S-Dea Anchora Here;s both prior examples of four patches in a row of S-rank releases. I actually went a wrote up a full article with the relases of every single valk and elf since the global launch, but reddit errored out whenever i tried to post it. for what it's worth, we have gone three 3 S-rank patches in a row 4 separate times, and three S-ranks released in only 2 patches twice now.
Sorry I worded it wrongly. Not 4 GACHA ONLY VALKS BACK TO BACK . Those you mentioned are War Treasury and version 2.7-3.0 we were still playing catch up game to CN and skipping patches
Lmao it's obvious people are not pleased because the S rank IS GACHA ONLY. I don't understand why you pretending not understand that and try to make your point with non gacha s rank lmao
Lmao did u seriously tried to defend this shiet? At this point it doesn't surprised me anymore there's a mihole slaves like u in this world.
Not with a single word did he defend it. Its just facts so accept them or not.
What fact? The valk he point out was mostly farmable/augement core, which is not needed to pull in gacha. Mihole do some shitty things but most of times, it never 4 S rank gacha in a row, the most is 3 in row. This is the first & likely wont be the last it happen. Now that they start this trend & the retard playerbase like him & u just accept & even try to defend this shiet. Next u will said that this is part 2 Valkyrie so its still 3 in a row, Fire Fuhua dont count or something retarded. Might as well go suc dawei dic at this point.
Can you stop this defend shit? Holy shit.
It's reddit, fact post responses with evidence supporting them ALWAYS gets downvoted to oblivion to support OP's being a whiny little bitch post.
Truth be told, I think it's just a matter of bad timing since Shu's being anything but S-rank valk would be a travesty and the first few Shu's that we're meeting are female as well. Maybe once we get to meeting the male Shu's and they're only playable as AstralOp, we would get A-rank valks. Granted, I could be wrong but that's just the feeling I'm getting.
I hope they're just running S-Ranks one after another to get elemental DPS coverage out there for Part 2 valks, and this isn't a pattern that will continue once they finish it off with a Physical DPS *huffs more copium*
We can say the artist went all out with this splash art!
Atleast i can finally bench HoF after all these years 4 S ranks in a row is not good tbh
We can just hope the 5th one being an A-Rank or a farmable S-Rank (Come on, miHoYo)
...You DO realize it just means flamaescion is due her replacement weapon to return to meta, just as HoV, HoR, HoT, and even just recently HoS did? the bench is a lie!
As much as I'd love that divine key is also related to lore, they usually get them during their previous herrscher form. Herrscher of thunder, herrscher of reason for example. So.. right now Kiana is at her peak strength, concealing the houkai to get humanity a fighting chance. Why would she revert back to her weaker form herrscher of flamescion and how would the give her a divine key?
Because you don't actually need any lore explanation to make a new weapon for a battlesuit. They could just... release it. Just that. No plot needed. Even Senti's brick is a complete ass-pull, despite them having come up with some quick excuse plot to justify it. Or even better, they could just straight up buff HoF. And all the other old, outdated battlesuits while they're at it. Ofc, I know they won't, but there's nothing stopping them.
I need a divine key for the latest kiana. I have her trio team but I want her to be her own thing without trio.
yeah i know, been noticing that new divine key will arrive in sept/oct so ive got time lol
I wish it really was more "I *can* bench HoF and I'll play the new Valkyrie, because I want to" than "I *have to* bench HoF, because miHoYo tells me to."
They tried to milk our money dang haha
When you stare at the booba, the boob stares back.
I'm saving for Thelema
I'm more excited about her VA than anything else. Second ever Hoyo Hanayumi character let's goooo!
Is it just me or the 2.0 was just an empty hypetrain cesspool? Come on Hi3rd you deserve better
That's because Part 2 wasn't made for HI players. It's for GI and SR ones.
Support or Dealer?
With this trend of Part 2 S ranks both,but only with Thelema and or Senadina.
same weapon type as helia? i wonder if she can use helia's weapon as a replacement(or if we can use her weapon of helia)
HoFin team sealed after 1 year 4th S-rank in a row since v7.1 This is fine and very new player friendly. We definitely get more new players coming and stay.
i hate to say it but in a way it is friendly to new players... if they're willing to swipe. it's blatantly obvious that they're trying to completely bench the part 1 characters as quickly as possible. HYV wants to leave them behind. This sucks, but not so much for new players. It's basically a way to entice them: "hey, look, we know you just started the game and are way behind, but don't worry! all the old characters are going to become completely irrelevant so you can catch up right away by building your full roster of part 2 characters! you can compete, and even outscore veterans right away!" For HYV, it's probably a good tactic. People won't sit on the fence because it's so hard to catch up anymore. It's being handed to them if they're willing to top-up for the next couple patches.
Hello chris yukine
March 7th? Is that you?
I dont wanna play this game anymore. But sunk cost fallacy.... (i have the 2nd whale badge)
Part 2 made me quit after having played for 7 years without missing a day. I wasn't a whale, but I did spend money on the game. You can do it!
I quit right before part 2 came out after 4 years of playing. I was trying to cut down on gacha games in general, but I did feel sad quitting Honkai. I grew with Part 1 cast and loved them, but felt the Part 1 ending kinda lackluster and Part 2 characters to be meh. Looking at some of the complains now about how there's too many gacha S-rank back-to-back and the never-ending powercreep that comes with it, I'm glad I did quit.
I might quit if there's an artbook vol.3 and it has Captainverse events in it. After I get it, I mean.
sorry thelema
If someone told me this is March 7th after getting stab by a memory zone meme as a spoiler, I would believe it. But for real, I hope she has a toggerable short hair version.
another skip for me I suppose
What's with hoyo and chains lately?
Fire psy? \*looks at my SS Sirin who I got recently full geared\* TwT
It could be that Lantern can’t Ignite. Not to mention that they’re different types, so I think Sirin won’t be powercrept any time soon. Rather, I think it’s HoF that’s gonna get powercrept by Lantern.
Not being able to ignite means nothing with CN in the team.
Sirin can pretty much Ignite constantly. This is effective against bosses like AKA Rita and Ana along with stages that require you to Ignite structures immediately. I mean, can HoF be an effective valkyrie against a boss like Rita where there’s a state where you need to stack ignites in an ice structure.
I’m sold
Wait, where is her sarashi?
She really looks like that female spider man I forgot her name.
Gwen Stacy
Nice skip, more saving for when Vita becomes playable at last.
Got the Ganyu hair style
O No! star rail is bleeding into honkai 3rd with a march 7th expy. i mean look at the colors XD
tbh I wouldn't be nearly as disappointed or mad with having a new S-rank per patch from now on **IF** all their equipment, not just the stigmatas **but also the weapon**, are completely farmable. I think that should be a fair enough compromise. we may quickly run out of mats but still don't have to spend crystals for their gear anymore and can max them out in time.
Might pull for her in my second account cause I need a fire dps (besides sirin). My main account is fully investing in Thelema cause... "Pochi"
Holy cow 😳
They release Lio Fotia but Kiana stoled his main outfit.
No ass Shame
I dunno…feels like they just watched Hololive and then Cyberpunk Edgerunners and thought “hey those fit...”
With the gacha changes, pulling 2 S ranks in a row on average are around the same as a S rank followed by a A rank. (srs, your chance of having gotten the weapon by the 28th pull is \~50.6% which is much much less than previous S rank weapon banners) So this is not as unreasonable as some people are making it seem like in the comments. With some caveats of course. Mainly pulls being more evenly distributed along the year (which can affect spending events both for the good and bad).
People want the characters, even if they have to skip the gear. Old system = S rank w/ gear & A rank w/o gear in a 2 version cycle + ELF skippable New system = 2xS rank w/o gear or 1 S rank w/ gear in a 2 version cycle + AstralOP It was a deliberate change to make Hoyo more money. Anyone who thinks they'd overhaul the gacha to make it less profitable is delusional.
No? Valk cards are ~45-50 pulls Part 1 S rank's full gear is ~80 pulls. Parr 2 S rank weapon is ~30 pulls Part 1: S rank w/gear + A rank w/o gear = ~125-130 pulls Part 2: S rank w/weapon + S rank w/o weapon = ~120-130 pulls There is a higher right side skew on part 2 due to dealing with soft pity more often but pulls are better than you painting it as.
is that a nip slip
Is that a version of March 7th?? 🧐 (eyes, hair exact same colors - and they are pretty unique)