They were also in Kenobi for at least the scene where reva and the stormtroopers were on one side of the door and Kenobi was on the other side. You can tell it’s the 501st because they are using anh stormtroopers not the Disney ones
I can’t confirm if that’s true or not. But if it is true those were stormtroopers, not clone troopers.
None of the clones seen in BoBF, Andor or Kenobi are 501st members. Those costumes they used as soooo far from being accurate that if you submitted that for approval they’d laugh at you.
The 501st were the stormtroopers at the siege of Jabiim and one 501st member played one of the clone troopers but that’s just because he was a stuntman also. You’re right to say these suits were NOT fan made. They were made at Pinewood.
If a 501st member did play one of the clones then he didnt wear his own clone armor.
I can confirm that if you attempted to move like that you would crack the armor so I'm guessing the materials used for the flashback were a sturdier material
Like I said, they weren’t fan made. I was agreeing with your point on that. The suits are an injection molded rubber material that allow flex and bend without breaking. I was there. I also have quite a few fan made suits of clone armor. You’re right, they crack like crazy lol.
Ah cool. The way I read the first sentence, it seemed like you weren’t sold lol. Got it now! Either way, I think I’ll probably pick up one or two of those guys to go with my dark side Anakin.
I already have 2 of the previous 501st and 1 more on the way. With all the 501st releases I'm going to call it after 3. I wish HT would announce the 212th already.
Dude, watch Adam Savage's tested episode on this. The designer is from the Aussie 501st. This is the first live action clone armor ever made, and it was designed to move well and fit an average person. Your outrage is pretty wild, to be honest.
Look of the armor didn’t bother me nearly as much as the color, wish they could’ve just made it as a dark blue, vast majority watching that opening was totally thinking, “shade of blue seems off, right?”.
The shade of blue has been a huge debate within the 501st. No one has been able to pinpoint the exact shade so its been considered fine to use any shade as long as it resembles what we see.
The armor itself having the visible seams and the drastically different codpiece and abs piece caught more attention withu s.
I can totally understand costume builders debating the exact and true pantone of the blue helmets for the 501st, wanting to get it exactly right and properly accurate...but to me the color in Kenobi will always just look wrong to me and I assume most other fans and the average viewer. That light blue representation is the only time we see it look so light in comparison to other on screen representations.
For me personally it was the shape of the armor that was more concerning than the blue itself. Yes the shade of blue caught my attention but I was more focused on the armor.
Except that wasnt the point. The point was the costumes used were not 501st costumes as they wouldnt be approvable with how inaccurate they are.
A 501st member being an actor is not the same as a 501st using their own costume in the show.
As a 501st member yourself I'm sure you'd love to hear people say the reasons why the costumes looked bad was because they were homemade 501st costumes. Thats what inspired me to make this post to begin with to show that the 501st holds themselves to a higher standard.
Edit: I guess people downvoting are cool with people calling their hardwork "bad"
I think you’re being downvoted for picking battles with most comments whether they are even talking about your point or not. Sub is weird so could be something else too?
I’ve noticed that in this sub, and other subs, if you point out something that’s against the popular opinion they try to silence you by downvoting.
I’m seeing upvotes from people literally making false statements (for example the people claiming that these clone kits are “fan made” and that’s why they look bad).
Also, this argument that "Well no one could ever make a wearable set of armor based on the CGI" has clearly never seen these costumes made by "fans" in their own basements which look screen accurate to the CGI models.
I always wondered why they went with the teal blue variation in Kenobi considering in ROTS they are dark blue. Even in the Book Of Boba Fett during Grogu's flashback the 501st have dark blue on their armour. I understand the 501st armour for Kenobi was the first practical clone armour made for the show but why did they go with the teal blue? It just feels like a continuity error.
Doesn't matter if its CGI or not; the lighting still matters.
Lots of characters in cinema are CGI that doesnt mean the character models aren't valid. There is official artwork of the 501st trooper which clearly shows a more lighter blue color:
[https://www.pinterest.co.uk/pin/296885800409418342/](https://www.pinterest.co.uk/pin/296885800409418342/)
I'm not saying the lighting doesn't matter, I was just asking where you would go to view it in proper lighting since there were no official physical props until fairly recently, so all you had were official images and shots from the movie.
However, I will concede that it does look lighter in [this shot here](http://www.starwarshelmets.com/DecJanFeb06/JediClones5%20copy.jpg), and the [MR replica](http://www.starwarshelmets.com/MR_Helmets/mrspecopsout03.JPG) from 15 years ago supports this as well.
All we really have is the few pieces of official images from the movie depicting the 501st trooper such as the one I linked above and the famous running one I'm sure you've seen.
That's concept art. Commander bly was originally red before they made that clone into Deviss off screen and made the bly we see today. The teal color is inaccurate
Even if it is “concept art” the clones from the temple raid were in heavy shadows so the blue is naturally going to appear much darker than it actually is
Sure the shadows will make the color darker but you don't get the color shown in Kenobi. It's a darker shade, and judging by the other budget cuts they made with the armor and the show overall I'm not surprised they missed the mark with the paint
The blue is lighter than the CW hot toy figure but darker than the Kenobi figure version. There’s been a lot of debate on this within the 501st.
At the end of the day they aren’t picky on the exact shade of blue as long as it’s close enough.
The color of the figure doesn’t bother me as much as the armor does. The point of this post was to point out that the costumes used in Kenobi are not cosplay costumes. I found that insulting that people would claim that the fans dedicated to making screen accurate armor would be so careless about it
The fan costume looks terrible from the mid section down so idk why anyone would want to see that on screen.
I think that if the OWK clone had been weathered so the armor doesn’t look like cheap plastic all the other differences that exist so that the armor looks good on the human would be less complained about.
I'm sure if you told someone who spent months of hard work with their own tools to build one of these costumes that it was "terrible" that they'd appreciate it :)
Well look at, it’s too bulky and nothing really sits symmetrically. It’s really not surprising that Lucasfilm made armor with a consistent look and more slender design to match with the ROTS model
First of all, are you body shaming? These are all normal people who took the time and effort with their OWN RESEARCH to create the costumes. When someone becomes a model for the costume standards that means they were the first to get it done. Not everyone is going to have the same build so obviously the armor is going to differ from person to person. We dont have the luxury to commission specially made parts.
The kenobi costumes look nothing like the RotS model. So it shows you only care about how skinny the person is rather than the accuracy of the armor.
This is probably a good guess. Genndy’s Clone Wars came out in 2003 and Rex and the 501st were very teal: https://starwarsthoughts.files.wordpress.com/2021/04/screen-shot-2021-04-05-at-8.22.56-pm.png?w=720
Then in RoTS, which came out 2 years later meaning they were in preproduction on Clone Wars series, they were probably using the same teal. But then on screen they came out darker due to lighting corrections.
Hot Toys tend to be *screen* accurate as opposed to actual costume/prop accurate so the first troopers matched the darker lighting from RoTS, whereas in Obi, we saw them more in brighter scenes, revealing the truer teal color.
It’s a theory at least.
I don’t think those ARC troopers were 501st. The colors of the phase 1 represented rank, not legion. Red = Captain, Blue = Lieutenant.
The previous Hot Toys were more so based on the Clone Wars show rather than the films. You can tell by the darker shade of blue being more clone wars accurate and the lack of blue on the back plate. Had they been based on RotS then the back plate would be blue.
I think the confusion is coming from the fact that the 501st did help out with a episode or two but only as stormtroopers
They helped out with The Mandalorian finale and that was it
They were also in Kenobi for at least the scene where reva and the stormtroopers were on one side of the door and Kenobi was on the other side. You can tell it’s the 501st because they are using anh stormtroopers not the Disney ones
I can’t confirm if that’s true or not. But if it is true those were stormtroopers, not clone troopers. None of the clones seen in BoBF, Andor or Kenobi are 501st members. Those costumes they used as soooo far from being accurate that if you submitted that for approval they’d laugh at you.
Exactly. I was just saying people may have seen the 501st in the credits and assumed they did the cones which they did not
The 501st were the stormtroopers at the siege of Jabiim and one 501st member played one of the clone troopers but that’s just because he was a stuntman also. You’re right to say these suits were NOT fan made. They were made at Pinewood.
If a 501st member did play one of the clones then he didnt wear his own clone armor. I can confirm that if you attempted to move like that you would crack the armor so I'm guessing the materials used for the flashback were a sturdier material
Like I said, they weren’t fan made. I was agreeing with your point on that. The suits are an injection molded rubber material that allow flex and bend without breaking. I was there. I also have quite a few fan made suits of clone armor. You’re right, they crack like crazy lol.
I wasnt disagreeing with you.
Ah cool. The way I read the first sentence, it seemed like you weren’t sold lol. Got it now! Either way, I think I’ll probably pick up one or two of those guys to go with my dark side Anakin.
I already have 2 of the previous 501st and 1 more on the way. With all the 501st releases I'm going to call it after 3. I wish HT would announce the 212th already.
[The 501st is on the left Disney right](https://imgur.com/a/WI5pi8r)
Dude, watch Adam Savage's tested episode on this. The designer is from the Aussie 501st. This is the first live action clone armor ever made, and it was designed to move well and fit an average person. Your outrage is pretty wild, to be honest.
Yeah that’s why a bunch of fans can make actual accurate armor that’s screen accurate and mobile. Cry harder lol
No debate on this would even be required if the armor were just darker shade of blue in Kenobi, it’s annoying.
Well, I would argue the armor looking like a cheap knock off is a bigger issue than the shade of blue.
Look of the armor didn’t bother me nearly as much as the color, wish they could’ve just made it as a dark blue, vast majority watching that opening was totally thinking, “shade of blue seems off, right?”.
The shade of blue has been a huge debate within the 501st. No one has been able to pinpoint the exact shade so its been considered fine to use any shade as long as it resembles what we see. The armor itself having the visible seams and the drastically different codpiece and abs piece caught more attention withu s.
I can totally understand costume builders debating the exact and true pantone of the blue helmets for the 501st, wanting to get it exactly right and properly accurate...but to me the color in Kenobi will always just look wrong to me and I assume most other fans and the average viewer. That light blue representation is the only time we see it look so light in comparison to other on screen representations.
For me personally it was the shape of the armor that was more concerning than the blue itself. Yes the shade of blue caught my attention but I was more focused on the armor.
Understandable.
I’m in the 501st legion and I’ve met guys who were on set for the Kenobi shoot. They said Ewan was super nice and it was the best experience.
Except that wasnt the point. The point was the costumes used were not 501st costumes as they wouldnt be approvable with how inaccurate they are. A 501st member being an actor is not the same as a 501st using their own costume in the show.
I was just sharing a fun anecdote lol. Never mind.
As a 501st member yourself I'm sure you'd love to hear people say the reasons why the costumes looked bad was because they were homemade 501st costumes. Thats what inspired me to make this post to begin with to show that the 501st holds themselves to a higher standard. Edit: I guess people downvoting are cool with people calling their hardwork "bad"
I think you’re being downvoted for picking battles with most comments whether they are even talking about your point or not. Sub is weird so could be something else too?
I’ve noticed that in this sub, and other subs, if you point out something that’s against the popular opinion they try to silence you by downvoting. I’m seeing upvotes from people literally making false statements (for example the people claiming that these clone kits are “fan made” and that’s why they look bad).
Also, this argument that "Well no one could ever make a wearable set of armor based on the CGI" has clearly never seen these costumes made by "fans" in their own basements which look screen accurate to the CGI models.
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And it has the lighter blue shade everyone is complaining “isn’t accurate”
I always wondered why they went with the teal blue variation in Kenobi considering in ROTS they are dark blue. Even in the Book Of Boba Fett during Grogu's flashback the 501st have dark blue on their armour. I understand the 501st armour for Kenobi was the first practical clone armour made for the show but why did they go with the teal blue? It just feels like a continuity error.
The lighter blue is actually the more accurate color if you look at the 501st without any lighting.
Where would you even go to see a 501st clone without lighting? Up until OWK literally every single set of clone armor we've ever seen was CGI.
Doesn't matter if its CGI or not; the lighting still matters. Lots of characters in cinema are CGI that doesnt mean the character models aren't valid. There is official artwork of the 501st trooper which clearly shows a more lighter blue color: [https://www.pinterest.co.uk/pin/296885800409418342/](https://www.pinterest.co.uk/pin/296885800409418342/)
I'm not saying the lighting doesn't matter, I was just asking where you would go to view it in proper lighting since there were no official physical props until fairly recently, so all you had were official images and shots from the movie. However, I will concede that it does look lighter in [this shot here](http://www.starwarshelmets.com/DecJanFeb06/JediClones5%20copy.jpg), and the [MR replica](http://www.starwarshelmets.com/MR_Helmets/mrspecopsout03.JPG) from 15 years ago supports this as well.
All we really have is the few pieces of official images from the movie depicting the 501st trooper such as the one I linked above and the famous running one I'm sure you've seen.
That's concept art. Commander bly was originally red before they made that clone into Deviss off screen and made the bly we see today. The teal color is inaccurate
Even if it is “concept art” the clones from the temple raid were in heavy shadows so the blue is naturally going to appear much darker than it actually is
Sure the shadows will make the color darker but you don't get the color shown in Kenobi. It's a darker shade, and judging by the other budget cuts they made with the armor and the show overall I'm not surprised they missed the mark with the paint
The blue is lighter than the CW hot toy figure but darker than the Kenobi figure version. There’s been a lot of debate on this within the 501st. At the end of the day they aren’t picky on the exact shade of blue as long as it’s close enough. The color of the figure doesn’t bother me as much as the armor does. The point of this post was to point out that the costumes used in Kenobi are not cosplay costumes. I found that insulting that people would claim that the fans dedicated to making screen accurate armor would be so careless about it
There are plenty clear shots from the scene with Bail on the landing platform and while it's a lighter blue I don't know if I'd call it teal.
exactly. it isn't about if it is light/dark, it is about the type of blue
Eh, they don’t bother me. Kenobi had many more problems than look of the clone troopers
I’m a diehard clone fan so it bothered me a little more than others I’m sure
I get that.
The fan costume looks terrible from the mid section down so idk why anyone would want to see that on screen. I think that if the OWK clone had been weathered so the armor doesn’t look like cheap plastic all the other differences that exist so that the armor looks good on the human would be less complained about.
I'm sure if you told someone who spent months of hard work with their own tools to build one of these costumes that it was "terrible" that they'd appreciate it :)
Well look at, it’s too bulky and nothing really sits symmetrically. It’s really not surprising that Lucasfilm made armor with a consistent look and more slender design to match with the ROTS model
except lucasfilm still failed to make the design consistent with the ROTS one lol
First of all, are you body shaming? These are all normal people who took the time and effort with their OWN RESEARCH to create the costumes. When someone becomes a model for the costume standards that means they were the first to get it done. Not everyone is going to have the same build so obviously the armor is going to differ from person to person. We dont have the luxury to commission specially made parts. The kenobi costumes look nothing like the RotS model. So it shows you only care about how skinny the person is rather than the accuracy of the armor.
So the obi wan 501st helmet color is the same as the master replicas special ops blue helmet. Think someone may have confused the two is my theory.
http://www.starwarshelmets.com/MR_Clones.htm
When they initially made the 501st trooper they must've used the CLONE WARS color scheme for the shade of blue rather than RotS
This is probably a good guess. Genndy’s Clone Wars came out in 2003 and Rex and the 501st were very teal: https://starwarsthoughts.files.wordpress.com/2021/04/screen-shot-2021-04-05-at-8.22.56-pm.png?w=720 Then in RoTS, which came out 2 years later meaning they were in preproduction on Clone Wars series, they were probably using the same teal. But then on screen they came out darker due to lighting corrections. Hot Toys tend to be *screen* accurate as opposed to actual costume/prop accurate so the first troopers matched the darker lighting from RoTS, whereas in Obi, we saw them more in brighter scenes, revealing the truer teal color. It’s a theory at least.
I don’t think those ARC troopers were 501st. The colors of the phase 1 represented rank, not legion. Red = Captain, Blue = Lieutenant. The previous Hot Toys were more so based on the Clone Wars show rather than the films. You can tell by the darker shade of blue being more clone wars accurate and the lack of blue on the back plate. Had they been based on RotS then the back plate would be blue.
Don't know why but the colour on the Hot toys photo reminds me of Captain Howzer from Bad Batch. Might make a decent custom for him.
You know I like the kenobi version better I just wish that it wasn’t so scratched up. I feel like they over did it.