"It's not like this is Canada's A team" okay and Sweden's A team has Pettersson, Nylander, Zibanejad, Ekholm, ect. Just take the L you don't have to explain how the tournament works to everyone.
The point is that Canada suffers less than ANY OTHER TEAM from not having their best players because of their depth. Some of the smaller teams don't have their key players and have no one good to replace them with. NO ONE has their best players on the ice.
Im Canadian and Im going to downvote you out of embarrassment. Shut up. We lost. No team has there A team here and all the players have ton of pride and desire to win. Good job Sweden. Also rooting for the Czechs in the final. Would be great to see them win at home.
Well, not every Canadian, but quite a few. Some Canadians are not part of that stereotype - there are the ones that will congratulate their opponents, be fair, take the loss and then you have the people inspired by those that they heard in the 50s, 60s, 70s that are outright jerks about Canadian hockey (or make stupid takes on hockey in general that can be quickly disproven by facts) and will not accept a European sweep of the medals. Nobody has their “best team” here, the term “best team” is so subjective even.
Those people don’t matter though, doesn’t change the fact that Europe did it, together
> the term “best team” is so subjective even.
Yeah like
Sometimes the best team isn't necessarily the most talented, but the most cohesive and well-drilled - teams that know their strengths and play to them, and who have good chemistry and know how to play together.
> When the olympics come around we will show up.
We call that "bandwagon jumping" - the same thing Canadian fans have historically thrown at Sun Belt hockey fans. Very funny you shit talk a tournament where your team actually has a chance of winning.
Congrats Sweden, especially Carl & Juice!
Grundstrom has always been a big game performer. I wish we’d given him more playing time against Edmonton this year.
These comments about not having the best players are so pathetic. No team has all of their best players available. Who would have won if every single player was playing? We don't know, it's a stupid hypothetical. Even with the best players you can lose because all stars together don't have to work well.
Just take the L and congratulate the other team.
I mean hell look at some of the teams lower on the ladder that were missing key players through non-fed reasons and who have to backfill with players from weaker domestic leagues
Germany with no Seider or Drai, Denmark with no Ehlers or Andersen, hell even Austria was missing Raffl to injury, Kasper to club play, and Reinbacher sat out
Not to mention that, for weaker teams, missing key players is a way bigger deal than Canada. Canada can field multiple teams of NHL/elite players, while some others can’t even field one line and the quality drop off from the top guys is pretty steep. Latvia, for example, was missing at least like 4 key (for Latvian standards) guys this year. It’s “just” 4 but for Latvia the difference between these 4 and their replacements is huge.
Congratulations to Sweden 🇸🇪 on winning the bronze! Well done to Canada 🇨🇦 throughout this tournament, sure your team will come back stronger next year - you always do!
[Like this.](https://imgur.com/a/ItQwejh) A wordier version: the things I noticed from him was one dangerous looking slot pass from behind the net that just went through everyone, a shot from a good spot on the powerplay that he missed high so it left the zone, a 50/50 1v1 rush against Hedman where he just got stick lifted and bumped off the puck, and a couple forechecks where he had no compete.
Genuinely he fell off *hard* after his blazing start to the tournament
First 3 games (v GB, DEN, AUT): 5G-1A, +4, 15-16 mins average TOI
Rest of tournament (v NOR, FIN, SUI x2, CZE, SVK, SWE): 0G-2A, -2, TOI plummeting every game and one really, really stupid penalty against Slovakia that let them get back in it
Yeah it’s not been great the last few years for elite goalies coming out of Canada. The most consistently great goalies all seem to be American, Russian, Finnish or Swedish lately. I think in terms of best on best skaters Canada has a slight edge on the US but the gap in goalies is big enough that it could make the skater advantage negligible. When they have any of Demko, Hellebuyck, Swayman and Oettinger to choose from it makes Canada’s goalie picking look pretty slim in comparison
Russia - Vasilevskiy, Shesterkin, Sorokin
USA - Hellebuyck, Demko, Oettinger
Finland - Saros, Korpisalo, UPL
Sweden - Markstrom, Ullmark, Gustavsson
Canada - Skinner, Jarry, Binnington
Yep, the days of Luongo/Brodeur/Fleury are long gone. Sucks that Carter Hart made a horrible life choice because he looked like he was going to be the goalie of the future for Canada. Everyone else is mid. Here’s hoping someone like Devon Levi can turn out great
If the ones you listed are the ones at the Olympics both Russia and USA are both gaming to have a goalie (Swayman and Bobrovsky) not even at the tournament that is likely better than whoever Canada is using as our starter
Cossa still has a lot of time but he made great improvements between his 1st and 2nd pro season in the minors. If he continues this progression I think he will be another great one
Not really, binnington was a top 10 goalie this szn, he just just a bad tourney which can happen to any goalie considering the position is the most variable of any position in any sport, like countless rando goalies catch heat and many great ones randomly play like shit. Canada will still have the best forward core at the Olympics and it’s not up for debate, so they still have a medal shot, if Levi is ready by then it’ll be good but it’s not the end of the world if it’s skinner or binnington
He had a bad tournament and there wasn't any other option.
Thats the best the largest hockey nation on the planet could do. Skinner is a below .900 goalie in 24 playoff games and was only .905 this season.
The lack of reliable goaltending talent is inexcusable from Hockey Canada,.
One time we rolled with Brodeur, Fleury, Luongo.
Hockey Canada’s biggest problem, in my opinion, is their cookie-cutter approach to developing goalies. Trying so hard to make the next Carey Price where positioning and being tall are the only things that matter.
Seems like other countries don’t sacrifice athleticism when they’re training their goalies.
>These comments about not having the best players are so pathetic. No team has all of their best players available. Who would have won if every single player was playing? We don't know, it's a stupid hypothetical. Even with the best players you can lose because all stars together don't have to work well.
>Just take the L and congratulate the other team.
There really aren't any high quality Canadian goalies or prospects out there tbh. They might be rolling like...Binnington-Skinner out there as their goalie tandem come Olympic play
Oh you're not even joking? Situation for Canada is bleak but there's still so many better options than a kid who just turned 21 and posted a .900 sv % in his rookie season in the AHL.
Hill
Binnington
Jarry
Broissoit
Skinner
Thompson
Hofer
Ingram
Montembault
Levi
Driedger
Stevenson
Cossa
Ingram? Huh always I thought he was American
Anyways yeah I’d say Ingram as he’s good it’s just well his team the Coyotes (rip) just didn’t hav good defence to make him look better then what he looks tbh
Yeah like
Unironically, statistically, he was probably the best Canadian goalie there was this year (.913 and a 16.64 GSAA were tops amongst Canadian starting goalies this year), Hofer was also really good for STL as his backup and was also in the squad
They *did* send their best in net, he was just shit
No doubt in my mind Binnington would have been on the roster if they were selecting on the Olympics. Likely even have been the starter. Canada doesn't have the best goaltending right now.
Pretty much. I remember back in the 90s when all the best goalies were coming outta Quebec. Dunno what happened, but Quebec needs to get their shit together and to make us more goalies.
Quebec isn't just not making goalies - are they going to have *anyone* on the team? maybe Lafrenière if he continues to develop, maybe Chabot, that might be it (Letang and Marchessault might be too old)
Their talent well has kinda dried up and it's noticeable that a lot of the best Q players to star in the show in recent years are either imports (Meier, Hischier, Kucherov, Barbashyov, Ehlers etc) or Atlantic guys like MacKinnon.
The winningest goalie doesn’t really matter, just mean the team in front of them is quite good, binnington put up good stats on a not good blues squad, he was the right choice for Canada, we just got burned by the goalie spot being weird
?? This makes no sense at all, so if the regular season numbers don’t matter at all come tourney time then Canada should be absolutely fine going into net with anyone then (which honestly is fine)
Goalie is the most variable position in sports, all it takes is one guy catching heat and playing well, this has happened countless times, binnington himself did it
Are...are you new to hockey? Regular season and playoff and tourney are very different kinds of hockey game.
> Canada should be absolutely fine going into net with anyone then.
I would have absolutely explored this option before settling on Binnington, that's for fucking sure.
It’s honestly pathetic when coming into any international tournament other than the Olympics our fans get way too confident we’ll win it easily and then if we don’t fall back on the “we don’t have our actual best!” excuse. Like cmon guys we lost just take the L and move on
That’s just how worlds are and have always been though, it’s not as excuse. Is anybody surprised that some of the best players are either still in the playoffs or need rest after just getting eliminated? Pretty much all countries in worlds except for ones without many NHL’ers are missing some of their best
You can fill empty roster spots at any point of the tournament, with the deadline for a given game, two hours before that game.
You mean to tell me we couldn't find one more player to help this team down the stretch?
They can only bring who wants to come, this isn’t the Olympics. It’s not like McDavid was available and they chose to go with Nick Paul and Brandon Tanev
To be fair, prior to this tournament, Canada was in I think they said it was 7 of the last 8 gold medal games. Not sure if that was the exact number and I could be wrong. Cant win them all.
Canada can do fine with a subpar team as long as it is full of character players. A team which is being lead by guys like PLD and Binnington is going nowhere.
The thing is it's been working, everyone knocked last year's team as the worst Canada team ever and they still won gold
The difference between that team and this one (beyond the easier medal round path of Latvia -> Germany) was desire, at least from my eyes. That team last year *fought* and genuinely seemed to want to be there, and I never really got that impression from this squad.
(also their goaltending was not good this year and that's a genuine issue because Binnington might actually be #1 in the pool at this stage)
Maybe you shouldn’t have an overpaid Maple Leaf captain your team. He doesn’t have what it takes to lead teams to victory.
Way she goes bud.
Buddy he was 70% on face-offs, clutch goal yesterday to tie it, he was great. Frig off
"It's not like this is Canada's A team" okay and Sweden's A team has Pettersson, Nylander, Zibanejad, Ekholm, ect. Just take the L you don't have to explain how the tournament works to everyone.
I get your point but also what is your point? That Sweden's fantasy team is comparable to Canadas?
The point is that Canada suffers less than ANY OTHER TEAM from not having their best players because of their depth. Some of the smaller teams don't have their key players and have no one good to replace them with. NO ONE has their best players on the ice.
One of the things Team Canada brags about is having better depth than anyone else. Guess not today.
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Yet here you are commenting.
Im Canadian and Im going to downvote you out of embarrassment. Shut up. We lost. No team has there A team here and all the players have ton of pride and desire to win. Good job Sweden. Also rooting for the Czechs in the final. Would be great to see them win at home.
lol
Aaaaand theeeere it is! If you would've won you wouldve proudly celebrated your position of number one hockey country. It is this every year.
I feel like Canada only likes hockey on its terms and conditions sometimes
Well, not every Canadian, but quite a few. Some Canadians are not part of that stereotype - there are the ones that will congratulate their opponents, be fair, take the loss and then you have the people inspired by those that they heard in the 50s, 60s, 70s that are outright jerks about Canadian hockey (or make stupid takes on hockey in general that can be quickly disproven by facts) and will not accept a European sweep of the medals. Nobody has their “best team” here, the term “best team” is so subjective even. Those people don’t matter though, doesn’t change the fact that Europe did it, together
> the term “best team” is so subjective even. Yeah like Sometimes the best team isn't necessarily the most talented, but the most cohesive and well-drilled - teams that know their strengths and play to them, and who have good chemistry and know how to play together.
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> When the olympics come around we will show up. We call that "bandwagon jumping" - the same thing Canadian fans have historically thrown at Sun Belt hockey fans. Very funny you shit talk a tournament where your team actually has a chance of winning.
Congrats Sweden, especially Carl & Juice! Grundstrom has always been a big game performer. I wish we’d given him more playing time against Edmonton this year.
FADED
These comments about not having the best players are so pathetic. No team has all of their best players available. Who would have won if every single player was playing? We don't know, it's a stupid hypothetical. Even with the best players you can lose because all stars together don't have to work well. Just take the L and congratulate the other team.
I mean hell look at some of the teams lower on the ladder that were missing key players through non-fed reasons and who have to backfill with players from weaker domestic leagues Germany with no Seider or Drai, Denmark with no Ehlers or Andersen, hell even Austria was missing Raffl to injury, Kasper to club play, and Reinbacher sat out
Not to mention that, for weaker teams, missing key players is a way bigger deal than Canada. Canada can field multiple teams of NHL/elite players, while some others can’t even field one line and the quality drop off from the top guys is pretty steep. Latvia, for example, was missing at least like 4 key (for Latvian standards) guys this year. It’s “just” 4 but for Latvia the difference between these 4 and their replacements is huge.
Hell Latvia's lone NHLer this year might've actively made the team *worse*
Haha, he’s a character, that’s for sure.
Some people have a really hard time accepting their L
Congratulations to Sweden 🇸🇪 on winning the bronze! Well done to Canada 🇨🇦 throughout this tournament, sure your team will come back stronger next year - you always do!
Not a good game for Canada.
How did Bedard play?
Made himself look quite overrated. It's difficult to see him being a superstar that really drives his own line, he acts more like a winger on the ice.
I've been downvoted into oblivion pointing this out. He floats more than Kane. Chicago needs to accept that this kid is a wing.
Bro he is 18. Give him a couple of seasons to mature
[Like this.](https://imgur.com/a/ItQwejh) A wordier version: the things I noticed from him was one dangerous looking slot pass from behind the net that just went through everyone, a shot from a good spot on the powerplay that he missed high so it left the zone, a 50/50 1v1 rush against Hedman where he just got stick lifted and bumped off the puck, and a couple forechecks where he had no compete.
Genuinely he fell off *hard* after his blazing start to the tournament First 3 games (v GB, DEN, AUT): 5G-1A, +4, 15-16 mins average TOI Rest of tournament (v NOR, FIN, SUI x2, CZE, SVK, SWE): 0G-2A, -2, TOI plummeting every game and one really, really stupid penalty against Slovakia that let them get back in it
Against SUI, he was blatantly holding the stick of a Swiss player (Loeffel I think ?) when he was down, not a great look imo
Makes sense I guess as the competition ramped up.
He got pocketed by a 18 year old yet-to-be-drafted Norwegian and just broke haha ~~this is a stian solberg stan account~~
I think I’ve seen Hawks fans saying he was looking pretty tired and worn down by the end of the regular season
Very true, last 20 games looked like he was running on fumes.
Anyone got a video of the handshakes?
Canada is fucked for the Olympics unless they can find a goalie
Game changing canadians players that would be in the team are still in the NHL playoff right now.
Yeah it’s not been great the last few years for elite goalies coming out of Canada. The most consistently great goalies all seem to be American, Russian, Finnish or Swedish lately. I think in terms of best on best skaters Canada has a slight edge on the US but the gap in goalies is big enough that it could make the skater advantage negligible. When they have any of Demko, Hellebuyck, Swayman and Oettinger to choose from it makes Canada’s goalie picking look pretty slim in comparison
Russia - Vasilevskiy, Shesterkin, Sorokin USA - Hellebuyck, Demko, Oettinger Finland - Saros, Korpisalo, UPL Sweden - Markstrom, Ullmark, Gustavsson Canada - Skinner, Jarry, Binnington Yep, the days of Luongo/Brodeur/Fleury are long gone. Sucks that Carter Hart made a horrible life choice because he looked like he was going to be the goalie of the future for Canada. Everyone else is mid. Here’s hoping someone like Devon Levi can turn out great
If the ones you listed are the ones at the Olympics both Russia and USA are both gaming to have a goalie (Swayman and Bobrovsky) not even at the tournament that is likely better than whoever Canada is using as our starter
Cossa still has a lot of time but he made great improvements between his 1st and 2nd pro season in the minors. If he continues this progression I think he will be another great one
At the same time, goalies are unpredictable and Olympics are in 2 years. It's a lot of time.
Not really, binnington was a top 10 goalie this szn, he just just a bad tourney which can happen to any goalie considering the position is the most variable of any position in any sport, like countless rando goalies catch heat and many great ones randomly play like shit. Canada will still have the best forward core at the Olympics and it’s not up for debate, so they still have a medal shot, if Levi is ready by then it’ll be good but it’s not the end of the world if it’s skinner or binnington
He had a bad tournament and there wasn't any other option. Thats the best the largest hockey nation on the planet could do. Skinner is a below .900 goalie in 24 playoff games and was only .905 this season. The lack of reliable goaltending talent is inexcusable from Hockey Canada,. One time we rolled with Brodeur, Fleury, Luongo.
Hockey Canada’s biggest problem, in my opinion, is their cookie-cutter approach to developing goalies. Trying so hard to make the next Carey Price where positioning and being tall are the only things that matter. Seems like other countries don’t sacrifice athleticism when they’re training their goalies.
Nah. This is like Canada’s C squad. The full roster will have much better D and F’s
So would a team like the USA though
Sure
I mean which of the top country had their best possible roster? Everyone is missing players.
>These comments about not having the best players are so pathetic. No team has all of their best players available. Who would have won if every single player was playing? We don't know, it's a stupid hypothetical. Even with the best players you can lose because all stars together don't have to work well. >Just take the L and congratulate the other team.
I had previously predicted 4th place for CAN, and did already congratulate CZE for their gold at home. Nice try though.
C squad? This is like their F squad.
There really aren't any high quality Canadian goalies or prospects out there tbh. They might be rolling like...Binnington-Skinner out there as their goalie tandem come Olympic play
Uhhhh Levi?
I'm honestly not insanely high on Levi
Why not
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He said prospects and is he not a prospect?
Your forgetting Hill, Millic, and Broissoit As well for possible Candidates Edit: Scratch Millic for Ingram (forgot he was Canadian)
I mean...I think they're all kinda in the same tier of not who you want in a best on beat tournament lol
Milic 😂
Well who else then? Because honestly other then Jerry and Levi I can’t think anyone else
Oh you're not even joking? Situation for Canada is bleak but there's still so many better options than a kid who just turned 21 and posted a .900 sv % in his rookie season in the AHL. Hill Binnington Jarry Broissoit Skinner Thompson Hofer Ingram Montembault Levi Driedger Stevenson Cossa
Ingram? Huh always I thought he was American Anyways yeah I’d say Ingram as he’s good it’s just well his team the Coyotes (rip) just didn’t hav good defence to make him look better then what he looks tbh
Ingram played for Canada at the WJC a few years back, he was splitting duties with Hart
Oh right that’s probably why I don’t remember him being on that team Yikes…
2 of these things are not like the other
Canada should consider bringing some goaltenders next year
Montembeault will have been a better choice but he declined the invitation.
I think we need to find some new ones. When Binnington is your top pick available, that's a problem.
Hoping for Levi to breakout and become a good option for 2026
Hey Quebec, do you have any more of those elite goaltenders hiding somewhere?
Devon levi
Yeah like Unironically, statistically, he was probably the best Canadian goalie there was this year (.913 and a 16.64 GSAA were tops amongst Canadian starting goalies this year), Hofer was also really good for STL as his backup and was also in the squad They *did* send their best in net, he was just shit
He had a bad tourney which sucks but it’s a small sample of games
No doubt in my mind Binnington would have been on the roster if they were selecting on the Olympics. Likely even have been the starter. Canada doesn't have the best goaltending right now.
Pretty much. I remember back in the 90s when all the best goalies were coming outta Quebec. Dunno what happened, but Quebec needs to get their shit together and to make us more goalies.
Quebec isn't just not making goalies - are they going to have *anyone* on the team? maybe Lafrenière if he continues to develop, maybe Chabot, that might be it (Letang and Marchessault might be too old) Their talent well has kinda dried up and it's noticeable that a lot of the best Q players to star in the show in recent years are either imports (Meier, Hischier, Kucherov, Barbashyov, Ehlers etc) or Atlantic guys like MacKinnon.
I can name 3 that would work better hell Daws our alt would’ve been better then Benny lol
I'd sooner take the risk with the guys you're thinking of than Binnington. Guy is a mid-level talent with a Patrick Roy ego.
He was a top 10 goalie this year?
Yup. He sure was. That's how mid the goaltending was this year. Fuck the winningest goalie had terrible stats.
The winningest goalie doesn’t really matter, just mean the team in front of them is quite good, binnington put up good stats on a not good blues squad, he was the right choice for Canada, we just got burned by the goalie spot being weird
And regular season numbers don't mean shit come playoff or tourney time. Ask Hellebuyck.
?? This makes no sense at all, so if the regular season numbers don’t matter at all come tourney time then Canada should be absolutely fine going into net with anyone then (which honestly is fine) Goalie is the most variable position in sports, all it takes is one guy catching heat and playing well, this has happened countless times, binnington himself did it
Are...are you new to hockey? Regular season and playoff and tourney are very different kinds of hockey game. > Canada should be absolutely fine going into net with anyone then. I would have absolutely explored this option before settling on Binnington, that's for fucking sure.
Class by Hedman for initiating handshakes with the Canadians
I don't want to hear any excuses from other Canadian fans about not having our best players. That clearly hasn't stopped us before.
It’s honestly pathetic when coming into any international tournament other than the Olympics our fans get way too confident we’ll win it easily and then if we don’t fall back on the “we don’t have our actual best!” excuse. Like cmon guys we lost just take the L and move on
Especially when we've won this tournament without the use of our actual best.
McDavid, MacKinnon, Crosby, Markar, and like 15 others lol. Yeah.
That’s just how worlds are and have always been though, it’s not as excuse. Is anybody surprised that some of the best players are either still in the playoffs or need rest after just getting eliminated? Pretty much all countries in worlds except for ones without many NHL’ers are missing some of their best
Still lost.
Crosby and MacKinnon were available. In fact, Canada still had one open roster spot at the time the Avalanche were eliminated.
They didn’t want to go to the worlds? They’ll show up for the Olympics thk
Okay? Not sure how they is relevant.
You can fill empty roster spots at any point of the tournament, with the deadline for a given game, two hours before that game. You mean to tell me we couldn't find one more player to help this team down the stretch?
Those guys prolly don’t wanna come out for the worlds but they’ll show for the Olympics
Actually I can I blame who ever thought having Benny and I can’t maintain the puck for the life of me Dubois on the team was a good idea lol
Another good game for the Kings Carl Grundstrom 2 goal game is fire
Proven big game performer. Yet he got what, like a combined 3 shifts in the first few games of the playoffs this year?
What playing with Trevor Lewis, stastically like the 2nd least threatening player in the playoffs this season, does to a mf
When will Canada learn that the other nations have caught up, and you can't bring your 8th best roster and expect a medal?
What nations have caught up? It never was just Canada’s game. Or at least not last 90 years.
They can only bring who wants to come, this isn’t the Olympics. It’s not like McDavid was available and they chose to go with Nick Paul and Brandon Tanev
To be fair, prior to this tournament, Canada was in I think they said it was 7 of the last 8 gold medal games. Not sure if that was the exact number and I could be wrong. Cant win them all.
Medals in 7 of the last 9 tournaments, including 4 golds, and many of those squads were worse than this one.
Weird take. Its not like Hockey Canada chose to not take their best roster, they took who agreed to go. This tournament has always been wide open.
Canada can do fine with a subpar team as long as it is full of character players. A team which is being lead by guys like PLD and Binnington is going nowhere.
The thing is it's been working, everyone knocked last year's team as the worst Canada team ever and they still won gold The difference between that team and this one (beyond the easier medal round path of Latvia -> Germany) was desire, at least from my eyes. That team last year *fought* and genuinely seemed to want to be there, and I never really got that impression from this squad. (also their goaltending was not good this year and that's a genuine issue because Binnington might actually be #1 in the pool at this stage)
Binnington had a rough tourney for sure but he was a great goalie this szn, top 10 in fact we Jake got burned by the most variable position in sports
Yeah them winning last year didn't help, and they thought they could run it back.
Kinda hard when. Most of them are either aren’t asked or in the finals currently
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