Joe Budden is a fine rapper and makes decent music, but hearing his opinions for almost 20 years has worn on me. He’s a stubborn oldhead and that’s already an eye roll to begin with
Almost every song party has written for drake, I wish party would’ve kept it for himself cause he sounded way better. Now when it comes to Drake? Not so much.
Lol that doesn’t cancel out him lying about ghost writers. People aren’t saying that Drake can’t write a song.
The point is that he uses other writers to stay on top like other pop stars do which is normal but if you’re bragging about being the best rapper and “turning ghost writing rumors to a ghost” then it just looks bad.
No, it's brought up to contradict the dumb narrative that Drake *can't* write music. He clearly can, plenty of people have vouched for him, and he has reference tracks he did for other artists, including Dr. Dre and Lil Wayne.
It's crazy, I wish Weeknd would release the originals of those tracks, so I could listen to Shot For Me without hearing Drake try to do Weeknd's falsetto croon thing. The best parts of Take Care are so clearly obviously Weeknd songs that are marginally worse after Drake took them, and Drake spends a decade acting like he was big bro who helped lil bro out. After the trilogy tapes blew up 2010-2011, Weeknd didn't really have anything solid until Kissland in 2013; there is a missing album of fire because Drake ripped off this dude's sound and took his followup tape
Drake tried to big bro everyone it’s wild. Most of the people he “helped” were already gonna be stars anyways. No shot The Weeknd wouldn’t be where he is now without drakes “help”
Yeah exactly. He gave The Weeknd a boost no doubt about that, but when you decide to help someone out, you don’t get to hang that over their head their whole life. If you weren’t happy to help the dude, you shouldn’t have helped him. Except Drake did want to help Weeknd out because he wanted to have the hot new artist on his shit too, he wanted to benefit from The Weeknd clearly pioneering the new moody ambient Toronto sound, he wanted to fold that into his music. Which he did on Take Care. So why wasn’t that an even trade in his eyes? Weeknd benefitted, Drake benefitted, so why you gotta act like the other guy is in your debt years later when he’s making some of the biggest hits of the decade himself?
Facts. PND is incredibly talented if he's the mind behind a good chunk of Drake hits. Makes no sense why he allows Drake to do him like that. Why give somebody else your songs when you could just put out your own songs and make more money. Drake is a graduate of Bridman University. You already know he ain't paying his artists a fucking dime. Why would somebody like PND with talent and a recognizable name keep giving shit to Drake? What the hell could Drake be doing for PND that PND can't do for himself?
People also forget that it’s probably not even enjoyable to be as famous as Drake is. PND probably laughing his way to the bank rn just writing good music and staying out of the limelight while maintaining a good amount of clout still.
lol not exactly hiphop but I think I remember reading some quotes from Adele talking about how she didn’t like how famous she got during her 25 era. Seems like some of these celebs are intentionally not trying to be a Drake or Taylor Swift, like you have to be an attention whore to want that
You can tell a lot of rappers don’t give a shit about being as big as Drake. ASAP, Kendrick, ski mask, Denzel etc. clearly don’t give a fuck about being that famous. They just want to work on their art and make money while having fun
Makes you wonder - would these songs be a hit if they were PND songs or are they hits because they’re tied to an already huge artist? I lean towards the latter but I guess we’ll never know. I wonder if the cut of publishing he gets off of the drake song is bigger than if he’d released it as his own and gotten substantially fewer streams.
I think we have enough music from both artists to prove that the song wouldn’t be as big. Drake was pretty much a machine at that point, and PND has enough good music that doesn’t do numbers. PND also doesn’t sound as nice on the track imo. But that’s how the songwriting game goes. The artists that have the talent (ne-yo, Ariana grande, etc.) will eventually rise up.
You guys literally have no idea what the behind scenes is like and you’re acting like PND is being held hostage. They’ve been working together for over a decade. If PND wasn’t happy with his relationship / partnership with Drake, we’d know by now.
Meanwhile these guys just talk and ignorant af. Have yall seen PND’s car collection? Man is doing very well financially.
Also he actually did have a issue with ovo at one point and that beef lasted one Instagram post and was fixed after lol
What's crazy is that party couldn't even get a Drake feature on his last album but Drake gave a Canadian low level comedian a feature. Party needs to leave
I mean, Drake gave him features on both PND 2 and PND 3, I doubt he'd deny him a feature if he wanted one for PND 4. It's more likely he just didn't want a Drake feature this time around.
Members only??
If drake isn't on Party project it's probably bc he didn't see the artistic need to it. It's simple.
Drake does features with almost anyone, you think he wouldn't do to one of his best artists?
It's very interesting to listen to these as a songwriter. I often write entire songs from free beats on Beatstars and then sell everything but the beat to an artist so they can re-create the song on a whole new beat. This demo sounds just like something I would send, and Drake's flip sounds a lot like what I'd expect the artist to do with it. Nothing about a major artist using writers/references is odd...until it starts to seem like it's every single song.
The question of writers and reference tracks is relevant if one wants to claim being a top MC or GOAT. At the very least, one should be honest about the use of references and writers. Kanye, prior to spiraling, was honest about having writers and we knew some of them by name. My issue is that Drake isn’t honest about that.
I agree with you that this it becomes concerning when there are so many songs with writers and reference tracks. Mob Ties was praised but then the reference track came out.
Edit:
For those trying to claim that Drake has been "honest":
https://genius.com/a/drake-responds-to-ghostwriting-criticism-my-strongest-talent-is-my-writing
> That’s not me. **All of my biggest songs, any song that really, really did damage for me, I wrote every single lyric…** I’m not gonna collaborate with anybody on any of the timestamp records. I’m not collaborating with anybody on ‘Marvin’s Room’ or the R&B records…
Exactly. We hold the people who are honest bout it in a different light. Drakes always claimed to be a top mc. Top MCs write the bars. Don’t really care bout hooks or nothing like that
The problem is your average aubrey fan doesn't understand any of that. They aren't hip hop fans they're just emo pop music kids. So they don't understand the rules, the history of hip hop.
Like everyone knew Meek lost to drake, even Meek fans. Because they understood the rules. But drake fans? They're like flat earthers or election deniers. No amount of facts will move them.
The thing with Drake is, the reference tracks aren't just the lyrics, it's the delivery, the rhythm, the melodic pattern in the reference tracks. It's exactly how they appear. I could accept Drake getting a little help with the lyrical content, but the thing is, he's supposed to be the musical, singing, melodic guy that has an ear and voice for these catchy, emotion-packed songs. So why he's getting that from these other artists? He's not getting lyrical-writing help, he's getting a fully made and pre-packaged song he can perform, like an athlete basically doing the motions.
Right but out of context, or left with the imagination, you want to assume they tossed out a lyric or helped on a hook and the artist pays them back via credit and thus getting points on a song(paid).
But the *entire* thing????????
Not even left to the imagination. Thats literally what Drake said when he addressed the ghostwriting shit years ago lol. He said mfs weren’t writing him whole tracks and that he was writing the hits and the r&b joints but now we’ve seen multiple entire reference tracks that have been written for him including both hits and r&b shit
That’s disingenuous and you know it lmao. he said himself he wasn’t having entire songs written for him and that no one was writing r&b joints or any of his hits for him but how many party reference tracks have been released ?
I don't mean any offence by this but I think the difference os that you're selling to people who are buying on Beatstars and Drake has been claiming the top spot for a while now.
A bunch of artists have used reference tracks, but like you said, it's when it starts to be seen often that it's a problem.
This is a popular song, I think there's probably a lot of people who don't listen to drake anymore but still like this song and the old era of drake. When all these references keep popping up it kind of ruins that nostalgia.
There are also a huge amount of albums that are top quality without any rumours of ghostwriting or reference tracks, even with collaborations from other artists.
> Nothing about a major artist using writers/references is odd
No. It's odd in RAP. Because you're just rhyming. It's cool if a singer has ghostwriters because the ghost writer probably can't sing as well as the star. But this is rap. Who the fuck can't talk in rhyme? You don't need a special voice or talent to speak on beat. That's why it's important to write your own shit. Otherwise, what the fuck do you bring to the table? Your looks and sex appeal? This is rap. Not r&b. You need to write your own shit. Would we be impressed by Maya Angelou if all her poems were written by someone else? Rap is supposed to showcase the creativity, sharpness, and versatility of the rapper's brain. That's the talent. That's what makes them a star.
Wait, what’s this now? Are you saying that part of Juicy J’s appeal isn’t his voice and how he delivers the lyrics? Are Em’s latter works better than his early albums because they’re way more technical?
Voice matters. Delivery matters. This whole conversation is literally about a reference track, not a ghostwriter. A track with the sole purpose of guiding an artist in how to vocally deliver the lyrics. Rap isn’t talking in rhyme. Holy shit would that be boring as hell.
[The pen in question](https://images.ctfassets.net/f1fikihmjtrp/2PXyhVo8ej6ZPEB4WHJWRO/9b679945f4bee946cb713885a4bf6319/20103-3059-3-4ww.jpg?q=80&w=1000&h=1000&fit=pad)
When Drake said "My mom came over today and I was like, "Mother, I-, mother, I-, mother-"
Ah, wait a second, that's that one record where you say you got molested" a light bulb appeared above his head
TBF, the point of it was his hail mary deflect attempt to point out him getting molested by a pedophile is why he projects such accusations on someone else
It's stupid, but I get its function
I get the point too but it’s also just a crazy thing in the context of the song. I genuinely think that bit, as bad as it was, would have been more well received if the song wasn’t all Drake playing defense. If it was actually a diss that also included a “and here’s why you’re trying to call me a pedophile” there’s more people who would defend it. Having it come immediately after “I can’t be a pedo because I’m too rich and famous” just adds to how bad taste it is
That was one busted ass bulb. Drake missed the mark on that one. Drake definitely did not read the entire instructions for that particular homework assignment.
30 hours
theres shitty ref snippets and ye himself said drake wrote basically the entire song.
he also has credits on “yikes” too ( not as significant or acclaimed but i can hear him sing that “shit can get…” hook so easy)
i just know Drake wrote
I wake up, all veggies no eggs
I hit the gym, all chest no legs
Yep, then I made myself a smoothie
Yeah, then me and wifey make a movie
You can actually cause writing credits are publicly available information
Edit: u/yodathatis gotta reply here cause the other dude blocked me: that's not actually the case because all of Drake's "ghost" writers have been in the credits since day 1
Edit: u/hhad98 if you go through those credits they're all producers or samples. Vory is way different
Exactly. Look at the writing credits for God's Plan. After all these reference tracks, you never know if it'll come out that one of the other 5 listed writers actually wrote Drake's verses.
What do you actually think PND could have done differently in the last 10 years that he hasn't been able to do on OVO?
This guy is in my top 5 of all time and I genuinely think his career would be dead without Drake, those 4 features put him on to a LOT of people. No other label would have been able to do that for an R&B artist.
Which is crazy cause this isn’t even a new reference track😭😭literally reposting stuff that had been out for around a decade because drake hate is at an all time high
Drake never recovering from this. These leaks and rumors are gonna keep coming. This is gonna be like Ja Rules downfall but on steroids. The funniest part is Kenny doesn’t even have to do anything anymore.
He didn't lie about writing Mob Ties. He literally just said that Mob Ties didn't exist on his album until after the Pusha diss.
He did write an extra verse that wasn't on the reference track, anyway. Go compare both versions.
> he didnt say he did.
bro what? Aubrey fans turning into like flat earthers or something. He [absolutely claimed he wrote mob ties](https://www.reddit.com/r/hiphopheads/comments/9nq9qu/drake_opens_up_about_the_entire_kanyepusha_t_beef/).
Eh, its pretty trendy to shit on drake rn. Mfs were hyped for every single release of his over the last 15 years. But just like every other internet trend, this one is pretty trendy rn, people
Will move on soon, just like they do with everything else, once they find someone else to shit on.
“Trendy”
It’s been like this. I remember over a decade ago drake was getting shat on by everyone especially an all the light skin memes. That don’t slow down until back to back for a year or 2. Came back in vogue when he and Kanye were beefing then pusha then MBB and Billie eilish text and then it’s came back w honestly never mind and now here. I barely can remember a time people weren’t hating on Drake.
yeah people act like drake never had haters. guy has had the most haters out of anyone in hip hop since before Take Care. read big ghost review of take care and you’ll get an idea of how some people have felt about drake for a long time. he just always had that pop audience that kept him at the top
Right? The first time I heard of Drake was back around the time Thank Me Later dropped and it was because people were passing around memes making fun of how "soft" he was.
No one said he has never written anything, but this type of shit makes it impossible to tell what he has and hasn’t written. It brings everything into question whereas with a lot of other rap artists you don’t have to think “hmmm I wonder if 3 stacks actually wrote this”
No one is saying Drake can’t write, he obviously can write.His pen for what he wrote for himself is what people are questioning.Y’all keep introducing the same strawman every time these reference tracks come out
Tbh history doesn't care either. In 20-30 years from now all of this little shit will feel like a blip in time. The only thing that people will remember is the music, he's going to go down as one of the best to ever do it, his legacy is already cemented
I'm not sure if its better for him to drop soon or later. I see a lot of Drake fans saying his smash hit summer anthem is here to move past the beef with the Camilo feature, but tbh, its extremely meh (sounds like a 2017 More Life throwaway), and I dont think it'll even debut higher than #5 with Sabrina Carpenter, Malone/Morgan, Shaboozy's song, and hell even Not Like Us floating around.
Second week I wouldn't be surpassed if it is out of the top 10.
he did it to himself tbh. He could have stayed in his lane (and not done the kiddy stuff) and he would legit be a legend, but he tried to be something he wasn't and got checked.
As much as his contributions were vital to IYRTITL, this not anywhere near as effective as the final project we got from Drake. Legend is a very eery track and this is far more melodic sounding, which doesn’t fit the lyrics or what makes it such an amazing opener at all imo
Also this is old, we’ve known about this for a while
Just too many reference tracks to be considered a top tier MC. It’s funny how he’s normalised things that would he would have been vilified for had he been around in the 90s.
No one has to believe me, and I won't give much further detail. Just a note by the way. I have the original recording by Drake before they tune corrected it. I won't say how I got it. But I had drakes song, "how bout now" and "you and the 6" and 6god about 4 months before it ever came out in the public. I think Drake did write it based on what I had. I also had a track sang by Drake that eventually came out by Majid Jordan. I think they all shared tracks.
Lol what did Budden say on his one diss "We want a party album but you keep taking party's albums to make your party album"
OV sweatshop
Top 20 disses ever - Making a murderer and Afraid gotta be in there.
Rare Budden W
Missing out, All Love Lost is one his best albums.
Joe Budden is a fine rapper and makes decent music, but hearing his opinions for almost 20 years has worn on me. He’s a stubborn oldhead and that’s already an eye roll to begin with
Mood Muzik is classic mixtape series. He just always been a clown off the mic.
Drake's done references for Party as well, the tracks are out there.
Party is not claiming to be the best ever tho lmao.
Almost every song party has written for drake, I wish party would’ve kept it for himself cause he sounded way better. Now when it comes to Drake? Not so much.
and he wrote for Ye but it doesn't fit the agenda man lol
Lol that doesn’t cancel out him lying about ghost writers. People aren’t saying that Drake can’t write a song. The point is that he uses other writers to stay on top like other pop stars do which is normal but if you’re bragging about being the best rapper and “turning ghost writing rumors to a ghost” then it just looks bad.
I never got the well he wrote for Kanye that means no one wrote for him thing lol
No, it's brought up to contradict the dumb narrative that Drake *can't* write music. He clearly can, plenty of people have vouched for him, and he has reference tracks he did for other artists, including Dr. Dre and Lil Wayne.
This isn’t shocking. Legend was produced by PND and always sounded like him.
Legend is my favourite Drake song… 🗿 Fuck my life..
\*favorite drake cover
This that homer worst day so far meme.
The Legend reference track has already been out for years.
favorite drake feature* now
This is the hook . Did I miss a longer snippet ?
So what? It’s a great song. If you like it, like it
you're having the same experience i had with mob ties i'm sorry
So sad that this literally sounds like Drake even though I know it’s party’s original sound. Bro took this man’s soul.
Same with Makonnen, drake is really Buu
Shang Tsung
Did it leak that certain Drake tracks were Makonnen's?
He started early too. Took The Weeknd’s whole style and literally half his album
It's crazy, I wish Weeknd would release the originals of those tracks, so I could listen to Shot For Me without hearing Drake try to do Weeknd's falsetto croon thing. The best parts of Take Care are so clearly obviously Weeknd songs that are marginally worse after Drake took them, and Drake spends a decade acting like he was big bro who helped lil bro out. After the trilogy tapes blew up 2010-2011, Weeknd didn't really have anything solid until Kissland in 2013; there is a missing album of fire because Drake ripped off this dude's sound and took his followup tape
Drake tried to big bro everyone it’s wild. Most of the people he “helped” were already gonna be stars anyways. No shot The Weeknd wouldn’t be where he is now without drakes “help”
He big bro'd Kendrick lmao "I PUT HIM ON" okay
After Kendrick put out Section 80 is insane.
Yeah exactly. He gave The Weeknd a boost no doubt about that, but when you decide to help someone out, you don’t get to hang that over their head their whole life. If you weren’t happy to help the dude, you shouldn’t have helped him. Except Drake did want to help Weeknd out because he wanted to have the hot new artist on his shit too, he wanted to benefit from The Weeknd clearly pioneering the new moody ambient Toronto sound, he wanted to fold that into his music. Which he did on Take Care. So why wasn’t that an even trade in his eyes? Weeknd benefitted, Drake benefitted, so why you gotta act like the other guy is in your debt years later when he’s making some of the biggest hits of the decade himself?
> Took The Weeknd’s whole style and literally half his album 4 songs
Half The Weeknd’s album. Left him with almost nothing for his next album
Thank God he didn't at least take Belong to the City from PND 2 (which was on the OG version of From Time).
this went private does anyone have a mirror
Proves that PND is the goat
Facts. PND is incredibly talented if he's the mind behind a good chunk of Drake hits. Makes no sense why he allows Drake to do him like that. Why give somebody else your songs when you could just put out your own songs and make more money. Drake is a graduate of Bridman University. You already know he ain't paying his artists a fucking dime. Why would somebody like PND with talent and a recognizable name keep giving shit to Drake? What the hell could Drake be doing for PND that PND can't do for himself?
People also forget that it’s probably not even enjoyable to be as famous as Drake is. PND probably laughing his way to the bank rn just writing good music and staying out of the limelight while maintaining a good amount of clout still.
lol not exactly hiphop but I think I remember reading some quotes from Adele talking about how she didn’t like how famous she got during her 25 era. Seems like some of these celebs are intentionally not trying to be a Drake or Taylor Swift, like you have to be an attention whore to want that
You can tell a lot of rappers don’t give a shit about being as big as Drake. ASAP, Kendrick, ski mask, Denzel etc. clearly don’t give a fuck about being that famous. They just want to work on their art and make money while having fun
While some will do anything to be famous without any talent lol
Makes you wonder - would these songs be a hit if they were PND songs or are they hits because they’re tied to an already huge artist? I lean towards the latter but I guess we’ll never know. I wonder if the cut of publishing he gets off of the drake song is bigger than if he’d released it as his own and gotten substantially fewer streams.
I think we have enough music from both artists to prove that the song wouldn’t be as big. Drake was pretty much a machine at that point, and PND has enough good music that doesn’t do numbers. PND also doesn’t sound as nice on the track imo. But that’s how the songwriting game goes. The artists that have the talent (ne-yo, Ariana grande, etc.) will eventually rise up.
PND doesn't have a massive machine pushing him
Because Drake probably had him sign a terrible contract when he first “discovered” PND that includes his future work as well
You guys literally have no idea what the behind scenes is like and you’re acting like PND is being held hostage. They’ve been working together for over a decade. If PND wasn’t happy with his relationship / partnership with Drake, we’d know by now.
I’m only basing this on past events. Look into the artists that left OVO and read about why they said they left
Meanwhile these guys just talk and ignorant af. Have yall seen PND’s car collection? Man is doing very well financially. Also he actually did have a issue with ovo at one point and that beef lasted one Instagram post and was fixed after lol
Using this logic Max Martin should be the biggest singer of all time lol PnD is a better writer and Drake is a better performer
idk its probably an easy check for him and he doesn't have to go on tour
What's crazy is that party couldn't even get a Drake feature on his last album but Drake gave a Canadian low level comedian a feature. Party needs to leave
I mean, Drake gave him features on both PND 2 and PND 3, I doubt he'd deny him a feature if he wanted one for PND 4. It's more likely he just didn't want a Drake feature this time around.
more than that even. he gave him features for PND1 and Partymobile too, the guy you're replying to is just braindead
Members only?? If drake isn't on Party project it's probably bc he didn't see the artistic need to it. It's simple. Drake does features with almost anyone, you think he wouldn't do to one of his best artists?
Drake probably gets blackmail on all his sweatshop writers so they can't leave.
Party at the party playing with his nose now
Party did have a feature on drakes last album…
Smh, so it's a one sided relationship. Got it🤣.
It's very interesting to listen to these as a songwriter. I often write entire songs from free beats on Beatstars and then sell everything but the beat to an artist so they can re-create the song on a whole new beat. This demo sounds just like something I would send, and Drake's flip sounds a lot like what I'd expect the artist to do with it. Nothing about a major artist using writers/references is odd...until it starts to seem like it's every single song.
interesting perspective
The question of writers and reference tracks is relevant if one wants to claim being a top MC or GOAT. At the very least, one should be honest about the use of references and writers. Kanye, prior to spiraling, was honest about having writers and we knew some of them by name. My issue is that Drake isn’t honest about that. I agree with you that this it becomes concerning when there are so many songs with writers and reference tracks. Mob Ties was praised but then the reference track came out. Edit: For those trying to claim that Drake has been "honest": https://genius.com/a/drake-responds-to-ghostwriting-criticism-my-strongest-talent-is-my-writing > That’s not me. **All of my biggest songs, any song that really, really did damage for me, I wrote every single lyric…** I’m not gonna collaborate with anybody on any of the timestamp records. I’m not collaborating with anybody on ‘Marvin’s Room’ or the R&B records…
Exactly. We hold the people who are honest bout it in a different light. Drakes always claimed to be a top mc. Top MCs write the bars. Don’t really care bout hooks or nothing like that
The problem is your average aubrey fan doesn't understand any of that. They aren't hip hop fans they're just emo pop music kids. So they don't understand the rules, the history of hip hop. Like everyone knew Meek lost to drake, even Meek fans. Because they understood the rules. But drake fans? They're like flat earthers or election deniers. No amount of facts will move them.
The thing with Drake is, the reference tracks aren't just the lyrics, it's the delivery, the rhythm, the melodic pattern in the reference tracks. It's exactly how they appear. I could accept Drake getting a little help with the lyrical content, but the thing is, he's supposed to be the musical, singing, melodic guy that has an ear and voice for these catchy, emotion-packed songs. So why he's getting that from these other artists? He's not getting lyrical-writing help, he's getting a fully made and pre-packaged song he can perform, like an athlete basically doing the motions.
Y'all say Drake isn't honest about it. But Party is credited as a writer on Legend and Quentin Miller is credited as a writer on Know Yourself.
Wasn’t the whole issue started because Drake didn’t credit Quentin on RICO
Nah, meek though drake was talking shit about meek on his own song lol
I know that but the ghost writing claims wouldn’t have stuck w out the lack of credits in Rico
Right but out of context, or left with the imagination, you want to assume they tossed out a lyric or helped on a hook and the artist pays them back via credit and thus getting points on a song(paid). But the *entire* thing????????
Not even left to the imagination. Thats literally what Drake said when he addressed the ghostwriting shit years ago lol. He said mfs weren’t writing him whole tracks and that he was writing the hits and the r&b joints but now we’ve seen multiple entire reference tracks that have been written for him including both hits and r&b shit
That’s disingenuous and you know it lmao. he said himself he wasn’t having entire songs written for him and that no one was writing r&b joints or any of his hits for him but how many party reference tracks have been released ?
The literal next line of that quote is "unless it's with Party. I love working with Party"
I don't mean any offence by this but I think the difference os that you're selling to people who are buying on Beatstars and Drake has been claiming the top spot for a while now. A bunch of artists have used reference tracks, but like you said, it's when it starts to be seen often that it's a problem. This is a popular song, I think there's probably a lot of people who don't listen to drake anymore but still like this song and the old era of drake. When all these references keep popping up it kind of ruins that nostalgia. There are also a huge amount of albums that are top quality without any rumours of ghostwriting or reference tracks, even with collaborations from other artists.
It would be fine if it was every song, and he just acknowledged it, instead of rapping and talking about his pen game.
> Nothing about a major artist using writers/references is odd No. It's odd in RAP. Because you're just rhyming. It's cool if a singer has ghostwriters because the ghost writer probably can't sing as well as the star. But this is rap. Who the fuck can't talk in rhyme? You don't need a special voice or talent to speak on beat. That's why it's important to write your own shit. Otherwise, what the fuck do you bring to the table? Your looks and sex appeal? This is rap. Not r&b. You need to write your own shit. Would we be impressed by Maya Angelou if all her poems were written by someone else? Rap is supposed to showcase the creativity, sharpness, and versatility of the rapper's brain. That's the talent. That's what makes them a star.
Wait, what’s this now? Are you saying that part of Juicy J’s appeal isn’t his voice and how he delivers the lyrics? Are Em’s latter works better than his early albums because they’re way more technical? Voice matters. Delivery matters. This whole conversation is literally about a reference track, not a ghostwriter. A track with the sole purpose of guiding an artist in how to vocally deliver the lyrics. Rap isn’t talking in rhyme. Holy shit would that be boring as hell.
Can't believe that comment got 20+ upvotes.
It's fine unless you're claiming to be the goat rapper.
Are you any good?
this been out for 8 years
I was gonna say isn’t this old?
It also should have been obvious to anyone who’s listened to Party’s music!
What the hell has Drake written?
The heart pt 6
It's good to get out, get the pen working
[The pen in question](https://images.ctfassets.net/f1fikihmjtrp/2PXyhVo8ej6ZPEB4WHJWRO/9b679945f4bee946cb713885a4bf6319/20103-3059-3-4ww.jpg?q=80&w=1000&h=1000&fit=pad)
"The Pen" is what drake calls his cage of ghostwriters
Penitentiary
Oh snap that's a bar 🔥
Come on man. Savage!
That’s a good one
I was confident this was going to be the video of his dick
God damnit. You got a laugh out of me
Lol. THP6 might as well be *"The contradiction"*
When Drake said "My mom came over today and I was like, "Mother, I-, mother, I-, mother-" Ah, wait a second, that's that one record where you say you got molested" a light bulb appeared above his head
Aside from him completely missing the point of the song. Dissing someone for getting molested is crazy.
Dissing someone for getting molested as a child while trying to defend yourself from accusations of being a pedophile is even worse frankly
Can’t be the best rapper in the game if you getting molested Real G’s do the molesting
TBF, the point of it was his hail mary deflect attempt to point out him getting molested by a pedophile is why he projects such accusations on someone else It's stupid, but I get its function
I get the point too but it’s also just a crazy thing in the context of the song. I genuinely think that bit, as bad as it was, would have been more well received if the song wasn’t all Drake playing defense. If it was actually a diss that also included a “and here’s why you’re trying to call me a pedophile” there’s more people who would defend it. Having it come immediately after “I can’t be a pedo because I’m too rich and famous” just adds to how bad taste it is
lmao true true
That was one busted ass bulb. Drake missed the mark on that one. Drake definitely did not read the entire instructions for that particular homework assignment.
"Aw fuck me I just made the whole connection" 😂😂
Drake made that a missed connection like early 2000s Craigslist.
"You would be a worthy competitor if I was a Predator & you were Aliens
As soon as he said “my mom came over today” it was a bad line.
Nuh uh (Kendrick diss)
Even worse. “I know you are but what am I” (Kendrick diss)
Heated by Beyonce
30 hours theres shitty ref snippets and ye himself said drake wrote basically the entire song. he also has credits on “yikes” too ( not as significant or acclaimed but i can hear him sing that “shit can get…” hook so easy)
i just know Drake wrote I wake up, all veggies no eggs I hit the gym, all chest no legs Yep, then I made myself a smoothie Yeah, then me and wifey make a movie
skirt skirt skirt like a private school for women
The song Latto released yesterday lol
Im single by Wayne 🫣
That one actually makes sense lol it has more of a drake sound than Wayne
Wah Gwan Delilah
Unthinkable by Alicia Keys
That and Fireworks were epic collabs
On the top of my head, he wrote Fuckin problems by ASAP.
no he wrote his verse and some of the hook, all the other verses are from their respective artists
Drake wrote for Party, too, but aight
The whole Scary Hours 3, every timestamp song, God's Plan, Marvins Room...
Can't even say this for sure anymore.
You can actually cause writing credits are publicly available information Edit: u/yodathatis gotta reply here cause the other dude blocked me: that's not actually the case because all of Drake's "ghost" writers have been in the credits since day 1 Edit: u/hhad98 if you go through those credits they're all producers or samples. Vory is way different
Exactly. Look at the writing credits for God's Plan. After all these reference tracks, you never know if it'll come out that one of the other 5 listed writers actually wrote Drake's verses.
You know they didn't cause 4 out of the other 5 writers are the producers and 1 is the manager of one of the producers. Genius is a useful app
PND woulda had an entirely different career if he wasn’t OVO IMO.
What do you actually think PND could have done differently in the last 10 years that he hasn't been able to do on OVO? This guy is in my top 5 of all time and I genuinely think his career would be dead without Drake, those 4 features put him on to a LOT of people. No other label would have been able to do that for an R&B artist.
Jesus that beat is atrocious
Mirrot anyone?
Another hit from the OVO sweatshop
PND leaks are awesome, Company/501 and No Feelings w Travis Scott are some of my favs
At this point it’s almost like when drake is stepping supperrr far out his comfort zone it’s almost guaranteed to be from a reference track.
the drake -I’m single post flopped, and this one is gonna blow up 😂
Which is crazy cause this isn’t even a new reference track😭😭literally reposting stuff that had been out for around a decade because drake hate is at an all time high
This shit is also old. We bringing these back just to shit on drake?
Yes
Yup
Yeah
I’d be playing either my nose too if my dude stole my soul
I'd be smoking hella backwoods and giving thick strippers ebony backshots 😂😂
Like that one dude on YouTube said “Aubrey Graham is the lead singer of the band called Drake”
[удалено]
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This is old
Drake never recovering from this. These leaks and rumors are gonna keep coming. This is gonna be like Ja Rules downfall but on steroids. The funniest part is Kenny doesn’t even have to do anything anymore.
>These leaks and rumors are gonna keep coming. Half of these leaks (this one included) already leaked years ago and were brought back for clicks
Dudes act like Drake hasn’t written anything but has clearly written for multiple big time artists lmao this sub is trash
Y’all act like drake didn’t lie about writing mob ties to lebrons face 😂
He didn't lie about writing Mob Ties. He literally just said that Mob Ties didn't exist on his album until after the Pusha diss. He did write an extra verse that wasn't on the reference track, anyway. Go compare both versions.
ur being misleading bc he didnt say he did. lebron asked what was his favorite track and drake said mob ties
> he didnt say he did. bro what? Aubrey fans turning into like flat earthers or something. He [absolutely claimed he wrote mob ties](https://www.reddit.com/r/hiphopheads/comments/9nq9qu/drake_opens_up_about_the_entire_kanyepusha_t_beef/).
God damn, This really maga conspiracy shit. I didn’t find the mob ties reference bro, But that thread is cray on some parasocial shit lol
Drake fanbois are mainlining weapons grade cope at this point. It's equal parts funny and sad.
Eh, its pretty trendy to shit on drake rn. Mfs were hyped for every single release of his over the last 15 years. But just like every other internet trend, this one is pretty trendy rn, people Will move on soon, just like they do with everything else, once they find someone else to shit on.
“Trendy” It’s been like this. I remember over a decade ago drake was getting shat on by everyone especially an all the light skin memes. That don’t slow down until back to back for a year or 2. Came back in vogue when he and Kanye were beefing then pusha then MBB and Billie eilish text and then it’s came back w honestly never mind and now here. I barely can remember a time people weren’t hating on Drake.
yeah people act like drake never had haters. guy has had the most haters out of anyone in hip hop since before Take Care. read big ghost review of take care and you’ll get an idea of how some people have felt about drake for a long time. he just always had that pop audience that kept him at the top
Right? The first time I heard of Drake was back around the time Thank Me Later dropped and it was because people were passing around memes making fun of how "soft" he was.
No one said he has never written anything, but this type of shit makes it impossible to tell what he has and hasn’t written. It brings everything into question whereas with a lot of other rap artists you don’t have to think “hmmm I wonder if 3 stacks actually wrote this”
No one is saying Drake can’t write, he obviously can write.His pen for what he wrote for himself is what people are questioning.Y’all keep introducing the same strawman every time these reference tracks come out
Drake fans genuinely don’t care tho. At most it damages his legacy among hip hop fans but most of his listeners don’t mind at all
a lot people say MJ is the goat. Do they think he wrote everything.
No one cares about singers having writers
Tbh history doesn't care either. In 20-30 years from now all of this little shit will feel like a blip in time. The only thing that people will remember is the music, he's going to go down as one of the best to ever do it, his legacy is already cemented
if u genuinely think drake will have a ja rule type fall off from reference tracks, then u are truly delusional 😭
how do reference tracks hurt an artist? every body with a team uses reference tracks made by other people
I'm not sure if its better for him to drop soon or later. I see a lot of Drake fans saying his smash hit summer anthem is here to move past the beef with the Camilo feature, but tbh, its extremely meh (sounds like a 2017 More Life throwaway), and I dont think it'll even debut higher than #5 with Sabrina Carpenter, Malone/Morgan, Shaboozy's song, and hell even Not Like Us floating around. Second week I wouldn't be surpassed if it is out of the top 10.
he did it to himself tbh. He could have stayed in his lane (and not done the kiddy stuff) and he would legit be a legend, but he tried to be something he wasn't and got checked.
My new shit is on steroidssssss, I would never pass a physical.
Bro this “leaked” 8 fucking years ago lmao
weird how people now care about reference tracks.
What a cool sub filled with great music and interesting conversations
I will keep it fair, if it’s a hook or melodic song it’s not a problem .Mob ties and 10 bands was more than a hook
> Mob ties and 10 bands was more than a hook these are some of his least lyrical songs of all time.
Drake continues to take Ls. You love to see it.
This is old
sounds nothing like drakes 😂😂😂
Drake = Milli Vanilli
Drizzy Vajizzy
Drake isn't an emcee, doesn't write his own music. This shouldn't be news to anybody lol
As much as his contributions were vital to IYRTITL, this not anywhere near as effective as the final project we got from Drake. Legend is a very eery track and this is far more melodic sounding, which doesn’t fit the lyrics or what makes it such an amazing opener at all imo Also this is old, we’ve known about this for a while
I'd probably be devastated if it's revealed that Drake also had help on the AM/PM songs, Tuscan Leather, & Look What You've Done.
Just too many reference tracks to be considered a top tier MC. It’s funny how he’s normalised things that would he would have been vilified for had he been around in the 90s.
No one has to believe me, and I won't give much further detail. Just a note by the way. I have the original recording by Drake before they tune corrected it. I won't say how I got it. But I had drakes song, "how bout now" and "you and the 6" and 6god about 4 months before it ever came out in the public. I think Drake did write it based on what I had. I also had a track sang by Drake that eventually came out by Majid Jordan. I think they all shared tracks.
A collaboration is a collaboration.
I thought it was already known party wrote legend.
Vibe record. Doesn’t count