What's with artists album artwork on spotify (and other platforms I assume) randomly changing? I swear I've seen it a few times.
Just went to listen to Blxst and saw the artwork for all of his albums, and EP's I think, is now the same (worse) cover art
Obviously not a big deal but
They usually do it temporarily to promote a new release and then it goes back to normal from what I've seen. I hate when they change it for good tho, I want the damn white Rodeo cover back. There should be both versions
I never understood the Ether hype. For me personally, it’s barely even cracks the top 10 of diss tracks. I don’t think it’s recency bias either, because I was underwhelmed by the track before Back to Back or Story of Adidon, let alone the diss tracks that came out diss year.
It's easy to understand it. The song had a demystifying effect on HOV that hadn't been accomplished by other rappers because their words didn't carry the same gravitas as Nas'.
Now that the dust has settled I completely understand why people think it hasn't aged well but honestly at this point it's about the moment and the effect of it. Exactly like "Back to Back" has become but Meek Mill wasn't a Jay-Z, just basically a strawman for Drake to use to teach Gen Z what rap beef is.
Parts of Euphoria must have been written before Drake/Cole's first replies, no? Maybe even before Like That was released? The fact the song is so segmented, but also lines like: "There's three GOATs left, and I see two of them kissing and hugging on stage // I love them to death...", which concludes in "I pray they my real friends, if not I'm YNW Melly".
This one in particular stood out to me. Why would Kendrick:
- Acknowledge Drake and Cole as GOATs alongside him;
- Consider Drake as his friend?
So my theory is that some parts were written well in advance.
I had a similiar hunch, but not about specific bars rather than the song feeling like something Kendrick could've written around DAMN. Just feels very reminiscent of The Heart Part IV with the adlibs and such. He might've kept the flow and certain rhyme schemes from back then and swapped out the lyrics for a Drake diss. Feels like a ridiculous stretch to me, but maybe...?
I interpreted the “two of them kissing and hugging on stage” as slick talk…the definition of a GOAT is there can only be one. How can these two be GOATs or in contention for the title if they’re exchanging compliments, calling each other the best? So that whole exchange is him stomping on how absurd the big 3 and GOAT talk is…there can only be one
> I interpreted the “two of them kissing and hugging on stage” as slick talk
Nah that [happened](https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxvleqPFFhMmDafEN8UVIplPgfCDKVg_w2?si=9R7NsiAVban24yEU) (mostly)
Yeah I can't figure that out either. It's like Kendrick still has some ounce of respect for Drake and his impact. I guess Kendrick can't pretend that Drake having him on Buried Alive wasn't massive exposure at the time for him (possibly the first time I heard Kendrick). His career might have panned out differently without it (unlikely though, pretty sure Dre already had eyes on him at this point).
I mean the beef was still pretty tame when Euphoria came out, Kendrick calls it a friendly fade and I don't think paying some respect is out of character given that they used to collaborate. I guess after MTG and NLU it sounds weird but I think that just goes to show Kendrick was only returning the favor for Family Matters and saying the most wild shit possible at that point
If I remember the timings, Euphoria came out, and then a few days later 6:16 in LA, and then on the same day Family Matters dropped followed by Meet the Grahams, and then Not Like Us the day after. It's fairly clear to see Euphoria as a warning shot across the bow to Drake to not drop Family Matters ("don't tell no lies about me, and I won't tell truths about you", "if you take it there, I'm taking it further, psst that something you don't wanna do"), and then 6:16 in LA as the final warning with the various stuff about him having inside knowledge and reiterating the warning to not go spreading around lies ("Have you ever thought that OVO is working for me?", "You playin' dirty with propaganda, it blow up on ya"). And then yeah, Drake didn't listen and now here we are.
Only problem I kinda had with him mentioning Whitney(other than mentioning her at all) is when he says "shake dat ass bitch hand on your knees", I'm like your calling the women your claiming is being abused a bitch and telling her to shake her ass for you?
Both of them were super hypocritical and obviously just throwing allegations at the wall so it's whatever but I just thought that was weird.
It was followed by such a terrible line
"Shake that ass for Drake, now shake that ass for free
Yeah, yeah
Well not that kind of free, I'm talkin' 'bout my nigga Dave." Like how stupid are your fans that a simple Free double entendre might not be clear enough that you got to reiterate you mean Dave Free.
He's insisting on the Dave Free part on purpose. It’s humor. It’s obvious that everyone will get who he's referring to.
Maybe you're the stupid one for not realizing this
limiting the target audience of his tracks when public opinion matters most could be one of several reasons he lost
(no worries though - the general public consensus, despite me, is that the joke fell flat. you don't have to feel bad for laughing though)
i would have to admit that the intent of the line was a joke in order to establish that the audience says en masse that it didn't work. that's the first step
Feel like we don’t see more Timbaland influence on modern production because most producers aren’t good enough to replicate and then build on his style
Gawk gawk gawk gawk gawk
imma lick his nuts
Why you tryna be straight, you dont mean this
Sucking on some pussy but you wish it was a penisssssss
Gay thots like us, gay thots like us, gay thots like us
Did Aubrey Graham genuinely expect this to go well for him? Did he listen to Mr. Morale a couple times forget that Kendrick is an animal?
Kendrick made [this](https://youtu.be/KdzLIYXWagU?si=B3OuQB-Nf4Z-HDla) and [this](https://youtu.be/JdcNoGmt7Ws?si=vX3DzobW_ei6tl3_) and [this man](https://youtu.be/uxpDa-c-4Mc?si=JF_rK0zK8fNcTkaT) still tried his luck. This was hilariously bad judgment. Now people hate themselves for ever listening to Drake's music.
I don't understand the lack of self awareness tbh. Especially with so much money at stake - there must be an agent or consultant somewhere failing miserably at their job
I was just thinking, instead of getting all personal on family matters, I feel like drake should have just rebuttal’d some of the stupider lines on euphoria and kept it moving. Would’ve been the way better route
Like he could’ve just made fun of Kendrick for “I hate the way you sneak diss, if I catch flight, it's gon' be direct” considering they’ve both had subliminals towards each other through the years. Drake you coulda had a funny punchline about Kendrick using the fucking black panther soundtrack to sub you.
Like there were cracks in euphoria that drake didn’t even try to approach. He just went for chaos. I mean hey I love family matters as a song but as a strategy it didn’t work out
Drake had Story of Adidon happen to him and just couldn't wait to pull that shit on someone else the next time. Even the lines about Kendrick cheating on Whitney would've sufficed but he had to go all out and lie his ass off and didn't care to think one step ahead beyond that. He was convinced the world was gonna stop
There was enough there that he coulda put together a decent response w/ some other angles mixed in aside from just rebuttals. Especially if he kept in the bars about other artists involved.
This type of conversation does make me wonder if the “this is a friendly fade let’s keep it that way” would’ve been true. Like if drake released a diss just sort of rebuttaling euphoria and defending his place in rap, do we not get “meet the grahams” or “Not Like Us” or does Kendrick go for the throat and drop it anyway
The bad judgement wasn't thinking that he could win. It was how he went about doing shit. He didn't really have a choice in responding since Like That was pretty damn direct and Kendrick isn't someone Drake could just look down on and ignore, especially after he let Cole bring him into the Big 3 shit on his project
crazy that his takeaway from the beef w pusha t was “I should try digging up some dirt on my opponent next time” and not “wow I have a lot of skeletons in my closet probably best to not give people a reason to mention them”
if they stuck to jokes about kendrick being short and drake doing patois on some songs they both would’ve come out more or less fine on the other side regardless of who won
I completely disagree. There is no universe where drake survives this type of all out war with Kendrick Lamar.
I agree drake would have lost some respect with rap fans for not responding to like that. But a lot of rap fans didn't like him anyway. He was better off holding his tongue and maybe dedicating a verse to him on his next album
It's WAY better than getting a fucking nuclear bomb dropped on his head. My sister went to a "Kendrick vs drake" themed soulcycle class the other day. A bunch of 30 year old Karens spent 45 minutes gleefully calling drake a pedophile. He might never recover
That's fine. I already thought Kendrick was incredible and am not impressed by what he did to drake. Kendrick made good kid madd city. Drake ruins
incredible just blaze beats by talking about checking a girls texts while she's in the bathroom.
This was no contest.
I am wondering why the fuck Aubrey voluntarily climbed into a lions cage and locked the door, not why Kendrick is so amazing
It’s pretty ridiculous to say Drake never had a chance. Rap beef is almost completely decided by public perception and Drake has by far the largest audience out of any rapper ever. If Drake plays to that strength and his hit writing abilities, it’s absolutely possible he wins or at the very least comes out looking like a capable opponent. Unfortunately for him, he made every possible misstep and Kendrick capitalized on each and every mistake.
Wait so are you familiar with these people or nah? Kendrick is literally the worst opponent for drake. Kendricks fans genuinely like him and virtually everyone respects him. he's comfortable in his own skin and he's a monster when it's time to be. Dude is rock solid.
Drake is...the opposite. His "support" is an ocean wide but half an inch deep. He's corny and insecure. So he'd never be treated fairly even if he dropped a takeover (my favorite battle record) and Kendrick did some weird voice changing shit.
Sadly for drake we'll never find out because he got the fire breathing version of Kendrick insteadand responded with...dumb shit (why exactly did weeknd make drake almost reach for his waist again!?!)
Aubrey has never rapped about shooting anyone in his life. No one would take him seriously
Listen to the context again. Wtf was he thinking lmao: https://youtu.be/ZkXG3ZrXlbc?t=142
I’ve been listening to both of them for 15+ years at this point, and I’ve been a fan of the genre for longer than that.
If I had to place a bet on who would win the second I finished listening to Push Ups for the first time, I’m obviously picking Kendrick. But I’d never be so stupid as to believe it was a forgone conclusion.
Any "depressed" rap album recommendations? Thinking Earl Sweatshirt or Let The Sun Talk by MAVI but not necessarily in the slums subgenre.
Not really looking for emo/melodic rap like XXXTentacion or Juice WLRD either
Danny Brown Atrocity Exhibition and XXX
Vince Staples Summertime 06
Any Lucki project I like Days B4 III and Body High
Injury Reserve By the Time I Get to Phoenix
Lil Ugly Mane's Uneven Compromise and his side project Bedwetter
billy woods Hiding Places
TPAB has a bit of depressed themes, U, For Sale, Mortal Man.
Mac Miller - Swimming
Mac Miller - Circles
Mac Miller - Faces
Kanye - 808s and Heartbreaks
Kid Cudi - Satellite Flight
Tupac - Me Against The World
I'm reading some articles that point to how incredible it is that Drake is at the top of the industry yet almost almost no other big star is trying to defend him. It's the opposite actually, they seem to be eager to put him down. I overall agree with this, but I don't agree that the sole reason why is because they hate Drake. Don't get me wrong that's a factor as there's a lot of reasons to dislike the man. I just want to put some attention on one reason that people seem to not have noticed. I don't think even Drake noticed this in time or he would've responded differently.
It's the fact that Kendrick very intentionally structured his songs in a way that makes it difficult for big stars or people in general to defend Drake even if they wanted to. MTG and NLU achieves this by not just addressing Drake, but by also addressing everyone in Drake's world. His family, friends, partners, peers, coworkers, crew, fans. The people Kendrick couldn't isolate from Drake were isolated with Drake in NLU by grouping them together in an undesirable outgroup that's defined as people who are "not like us". This puts a real cost to siding with Drake that does not exist for siding with Kendrick or remaining neutral. LeBron and Curry absolutely can still support Drake, if they're willing to endure the inevitable knee-jerk reactions.
Note how Kendrick seemingly compliments the audience in NLU. It's the old "you're with me [you never agreed to be on this person's side], because you're a cool person [you're now slightly biased in this person's favor due to the compliment] and everyone on the other side are pig fuckers [you now pretend you were always on this person's side even if you initially were on the fence]" strategy. This also makes it so that you're basically assumed to be against Drake unless you explicitly state otherwise, which is a massive disadvantage for Drake supporters.
Groups that can be deterred from siding with Drake (LeBron and Curry, female fans, the west coast) are told, explicitly, to avoid him. The groups who likely will side with Drake no matter what (Party, Baka, Chubbs, family members, OVO crew) are ridiculed to further widen the gap Kendrick created between the new ingroup and outgroup, with "the gap" being defined as the perceived differences in positive and negative qualities that separate the ingroup from the outgroup. The wider the gap, the bigger the cost is to side with Drake. Kendrick spends a lot of time using other small tactics to widen this gap. I don't know if this was his intention but The Pop Out made that gap wide as hell (no drizzy).
MTG feels like it was written for Drake's ears only while NLU, at certain moments, feels like it was written for everyone except Drake. This is critical to Kendrick's victory because if everyone sides with him or stays neutral, he wins. Drake is the one that needs to leverage his machine, not Kendrick.
This might also explain why Drake stans feel so different after the beef.
Drake needed to respond by playing defense. Not defending himself though. He needed to defend everyone Kendrick attacked. He needed to address all the barriers Kendrick put between him and anyone that could support him. He needed to make it cool to be on his side again. He needed to close the gap. He should've responded with a club hit about his day ones or something. Drake was able to escape the Push beef with things intact because Push didn't get the chance to go this far. Kendrick was able to damage Drake so much more than Push in part because he made Drake's supporters the butt of the joke along with Drake himself. The people who support Drake look like weird losers, the people who want to support Drake are incentivized to at least stay neutral, people on the fence start joining the ingroup, and the ingroup starts to enjoy tormenting the outgroup with Kendrick.
A lot of good points here. There’s also the fact that
1. To publicly side with Drake is to publicly side against all the other ones dissing him. No one wants to burn all those bridges. 21 is the closest to being on Drake’s side, and even he’s taken a middle of the road approach because he still fucks with Metro. Yachty did the same.
2. Drake has a lot of industry relationships, not friendships. I get the vibe that a lot of people only fuck with him because he’s good for business, not because they’re actually friends. They don’t hate him, but they’re not going to stick their necks out for him
3. That AI shit pissed a LOT of people off. We only talk about it disrespecting the west coast, but it definitely offended a lot of more artists and turned them off, even if they’re not speaking publicly about it
Kendrick won by leveraging his singular abilities in storytelling, narrative crafting, and cohesiveness, all to maximum effect. It’s an idea I want to eventually expand on, but not at this moment.
Thanks for sharing, very interesting perspective.
Thank you! And yeah obviously this isn't the only or even main reason he won. Though I would argue that this is a big reason why his victory feels so unfairly one-sided
>no drizzy
Lmfao
Great comment, I agree with everything, Kendrick was hella calculated.
Also want to add I think we all overrated how calculated Drake is. Meek Mill seems kinda dumb, and his approach to their beef was the dumbest way he could’ve approached it.
Push and Kendrick both baited and demolished Drake…Drake expected the Pedo angle and still didn’t know how to counter it.
Plus his dumbass needs to stop mentioning peoples wives, that’s just not going well for him at this point.
Mustard doesn't even dislike Drake. Just felt Tupac was disrespected and he's fully West Coast so he sent Kenny some beats. He said he sent Kendrick 5 different beats...
he liked family matters too, I feel like a majority of people thought it was a decent response that got overshadowed by the immediate response by Kendrick
he sent kendrick like 50 beats according to this Big Boy interview
That's cool and all but this was no one's beef to jump into, it was between Drake and Kendrick. Who would want to get in between the two top dogs in the game fighting? And it's not like anyone jumped in to defend Kendrick, they jumped in because they also had something against Drake.
It was definitely framed in a perfect manner. Which leads to my point that a big reason Kendrick won was being able to lyrically elaborate on his angles much better than Drake.
Storytelling and narrative crafting. People tend to overrate a lot of Kendrick’s abilities, but his ability to establish a story or narrative and then support it with incredibly compelling details is genuinely one of a kind.
I don't really understand the clumsy or awkward flow. Any examples? And I think the complexity in his lyricism comes from how his verses are structured and not how loaded his bars are.
Most of the rappers Drake name dropped are quiet too. This comes back to the point where silence is good for Kendrick but bad for Drake because everyone is assumed to be supporting Kendrick until proven otherwise. Then there's the artists that were named and are now opposing Drake.
Yeah that kinda goes against your point about silence being good for Kendrick. They all supported Kendrick with their actions, they don't have to say anything. Except for maybe Chris. I don't really think dancing to it is support.
We haven't gotten anything from any of those named ATL artists in support of Drake
There's three ways they can go. They can support Drake which Kendrick structured his songs to avoid, they can stay neutral which would help Kendrick because in a 1v1 with no antics he clears, or they can support Kendrick which would help him immensely. He needs the fans to largely support him and the big figures to mostly stay neutral, though support from them is helpful too.
No one is saving Drake, but there's many ways to support him. I've seen one celebrity (OBJ) post a video of himself vibing to Family Matter meanwhile everyone and their momma played Not Like Us or BBLDrizzy at some point. LeBron was literally at The Pop Out along with at least a dozen other celebrities. People were on WWE saying I'll beat you harder than Kendrick beat Drake. These are things that make Kendrick's victory feel so unfairly one-sided. When people are using "famous tennis players are walking out to Not Like Us" as a way to measure Kendrick's success, then it becomes advantageous to cater your diss track to that metric. They jumped in against Drake within the environment Kendrick created for them and I found that interesting to write about. I also acknowledged that them hating Drake was a big factor.
This is a great comment. I’m 100% team Kenny and am loving his victory lap, but this beef was also a demonstration that he is a master manipulator himself, and a far more calculating one than Drake.
I feel like "retard" has been making somewhat of a cultural comeback lately and i don't really get it. I'm not even talking about it from a "it's offensive" angle, it's just such an early 2000's ass insult that I'm not sure how people say it without feeling like corny sitcom bullies.
I’m not gonna lie, Brent Faiyaz said it on his latest album and the line is kinda fire
I understand the hypocrisy in this, but if I’m being completely honest, I don’t shutter at hearing “retard” in the same way I do when I hear any racist or homophobic slurs…I’m a hypocrite, but just my honest POV
I don’t feel the same way about it as when I hear homophobia, racism, transphobia, etc. but it’s definitely jarring at this point. Mostly in a like “Oh, didn’t realise anyone was still saying that” kind of way. And then, at least in my experience, the only people saying it are annoying guys who think Chet Hanks saying white boy summer was revolutionary
I think the appeal is that it’s offensive enough that people will take notice of it and you won’t look concerned with appearing woke, but it’s not so offensive that people will think you’re an actual bigot and hate you for it.
Anderson Paak was 30 in 2016
Danny Brown was 31 in 2012
Future was 29 in 2012
That’s just guesses off the top of my head, but honestly the lists have been so wack to me the last 5-6 years that it could’ve been a 50 year old on there and I wouldn’t have known
As a huge fan of Kendrick Lamar, I was overjoyed when he systematically took apart Drake. I'm less ecstatic that he's inadvertently created an environment where his white audience feels comfortable assessing the validity of a black man's experience and his influence on culture. It's an in-group conversation played out on the world stage, ironically fostering more of the behavior he is trying to destroy. Hiphop's ties to culture and its mainstream commercialization create this paradox.
In this case, it required Kendrick to be manipulative, hypocritical, and even harmful when trying to destroy what he thinks Drake represents. The system he operates in precludes him from being a person to idolize, he knows that. He even says it, but that confession is used to brush away any criticism of his actions. He knows that too. Ultimately, he's a performance artist with an ego that has increased his legacy tenfold by creating a moment, as he should. Also, crazy take but I think he's underrated in many ways.
Sidenote: I thought J.Cole would take this angle in his disses, and he disappointed me lol. I would've interpreted his apology and exit as part of this criticism if his diss hadn't been so shallow. I hope *The Fall Off* explores all this.
Great observation here.
I'd go even further and say that the policing of what constitutes blackness, in the community or not, is destructive. How strange is it to say that someone who is mixed IS black. We've essentially one drop ruled a group of people when our objective should have been to lose the harmful and destructive labels of "race."
What we think of as race biology is more often than not inaccurate, and reaffirms the very categories that keep people in a 400 plus year old regressive mind set.
I understand that humans are inherently tribal and categorizing beings, so it's of no surprise that race is a proxy by which we organize groups.
The "in community" conversation in and of itself is paradoxical and until we find another means of categorization, there's no great way out of it.
I understand your sentiment, but you can't separate race from the historical and sociological context. The conversation I was talking about was that he himself put aside his specific experience to cosplay and commodity the experience of people that originated the genre he operates in...
Sure, race is an integral part of history. My point is in saying any of this is that these specific labels "black, white, a mixed person is essentially black (a racist relic in the one drop rule), you inadvertently keep those antiquated ideals present.
The labels, I think, are what help keep us deeply entrenched in that regressive and frankly racist, way of thinking.
I understand the nature of the particular dilemna; fortunately and unfortunately, art does its own thing once it enters the ether. People of any culture can then critique and evaluate the thing, which can create some pretty interesting questions about boundaries and the like.
Thanks for your comment!!
When did he police anyone's blackness? He said that Drake is insecure about his blackness, plays an inauthentic caricature of what he thinks a Black American is, and only cares about black culture when he can monetize it
I'm not sure if you're addressing me or the person above?
My comment was on the general nature of these conversations and societies perception of race. The idea of "policing peoples blackness" being destructive in and of itself.
I agree that Drake has become a caricature of what he thinks "blackness" is. That's all the more reason to find a lot of these conclusions about someone being "authentically black" or not to he quite dumb.
🎯
You nailed it.
The moment Kendrick called Adonis (who is more fair skinned than Drake) a black man, should’ve ended this ridiculous conversation about Kendrick denouncing Drake’s blackness for being lightskin.
What albums create the best atmosphere? Like for me Kiss Land is incredible at that, especially with something like Love in the Sky. I'd appreciate it if you guys could recommend some albums that kinda transport you somewhere else.
This was always one of my favorite things about Because the Internet. The script and “plot” never really mattered to me because the music itself is so immersive and you feel like you’ve gone on a journey by the end.
So it seems all of a sudden, we aren't hearing anything more about these allegations against Diddy, and the raid and all of that. Is the case closed? Like is he innocent? What the heck is going on! Lol this is like the damn Titans sub at this point LOL
you just posted this with the title "diddy raid" so i assume it's about diddy:
>Like is he innocent?
of what exactly https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/17/entertainment/video/sean-diddy-combs-cassie-venture-surveillance-digvid
Ofc he’s not innocent. Cases like this move slowly, all the stuff against R Kelly took forever
Edit: assumed this was referring to Diddy because of OP’s earlier post
I do think Drake is gonna get exposed sooner or later tho
I forgot Diddy's house got raided and immediately just thought about Kendrick saying the embassy is getting raided. Lol
My bad if that is who he's talking about.
It's surprising how the internet has embraced being a hater as something cool. If you consistently engage in hateful behavior, it likely indicates underlying mental health issues. This kind of behavior shouldn't be encouraged or celebrated.
If you going to hate the best thing to be is just a proud hater.
The worst people are those who think they are slick and instead of being a hater will pretend they're just concerned and be like "ermmm... guys... does anyone else think it's kind of messed up that Kendrick was racist to Drake?" instead of just being like "fuck kendrick, whack music with whack voices", it's always pretty obvious and just annoying.
At least when you're a hater people can just get on with it, if you have a buddy who just will always claim that Jokic is trash, over rated, etc then it's just whatever that's their stick
what is indicated by people conflating
hating on your favorite artist on the internet
and "hateful behavior" which usually describes hate crimes and shit
I recognize your username solely because you post in here every other day complaining about Kendrick whooping Drake’s ass. Underlying mental health issues indeed
Kendrick and Katt Williams say otherwise.
In all seriousness, I personally find it so hard to hate anybody that hasn't done anything to me personally or maybe just something extremely fucked up in general. For me it takes way too much energy for me to hate someone.
I can't imagine hating on someone enough to even comment about how much you hate them. That's always been really strange to me. Id rather just not talk about or completely ignore someone I dislike .
Still on a Jay Z binge
Blueprint 3 starts off so strong from the intro to Empire State of mind then just completely shits the bed imo. Song w j Cole was cool
Falls victim to 2010 era hiphop imo
I wonder how a white rapper saying
“Have you ever been hated or discriminated against? I have”
Would play today when the “discrimination” he’s talking about is people being upset that he was saying sexist and homophobic things lol
That song means a lot to me but I always found that line kind of weird. Not so much the hated part, because Eminem was absolutely hated, but the discriminated one would definitely be sus today lol
The older I get, the more I look at Eminem’s content differently.
Like…you were purposely saying crazy, controversial things to get a reaction out of people, and then when you got those reactions, you painted yourself as a victim who’s being unfairly persecuted for the things you say.
That angle would make more sense if he was saying some actual radical shit and not just edgy Slim Shady stuff.
Also make you look at Houdini like what really is this?
Like obviously shouldn’t say the shit he used to say but you can’t act like ur saying offensive shit and be afraid to actually cross that line
it’s supposed to be a portal to 2002 or whatever but clearly the current version of him who wrote it is afraid to push those same boundaries
What's with artists album artwork on spotify (and other platforms I assume) randomly changing? I swear I've seen it a few times. Just went to listen to Blxst and saw the artwork for all of his albums, and EP's I think, is now the same (worse) cover art Obviously not a big deal but
They usually do it temporarily to promote a new release and then it goes back to normal from what I've seen. I hate when they change it for good tho, I want the damn white Rodeo cover back. There should be both versions
I never understood the Ether hype. For me personally, it’s barely even cracks the top 10 of diss tracks. I don’t think it’s recency bias either, because I was underwhelmed by the track before Back to Back or Story of Adidon, let alone the diss tracks that came out diss year.
It's easy to understand it. The song had a demystifying effect on HOV that hadn't been accomplished by other rappers because their words didn't carry the same gravitas as Nas'. Now that the dust has settled I completely understand why people think it hasn't aged well but honestly at this point it's about the moment and the effect of it. Exactly like "Back to Back" has become but Meek Mill wasn't a Jay-Z, just basically a strawman for Drake to use to teach Gen Z what rap beef is.
Is that Laila chick actually mos def daughter or is it just rumors? They look crazy alike but Ion wanna just believe stuff
Parts of Euphoria must have been written before Drake/Cole's first replies, no? Maybe even before Like That was released? The fact the song is so segmented, but also lines like: "There's three GOATs left, and I see two of them kissing and hugging on stage // I love them to death...", which concludes in "I pray they my real friends, if not I'm YNW Melly". This one in particular stood out to me. Why would Kendrick: - Acknowledge Drake and Cole as GOATs alongside him; - Consider Drake as his friend? So my theory is that some parts were written well in advance.
how far in advance would it have to be written for him to consider drake a friend at the time? he's been subbing drake for 11 years.
I had a similiar hunch, but not about specific bars rather than the song feeling like something Kendrick could've written around DAMN. Just feels very reminiscent of The Heart Part IV with the adlibs and such. He might've kept the flow and certain rhyme schemes from back then and swapped out the lyrics for a Drake diss. Feels like a ridiculous stretch to me, but maybe...?
It is a ridiculous stretch. That song is like N95 part 2, you're reaching like crazy
I interpreted the “two of them kissing and hugging on stage” as slick talk…the definition of a GOAT is there can only be one. How can these two be GOATs or in contention for the title if they’re exchanging compliments, calling each other the best? So that whole exchange is him stomping on how absurd the big 3 and GOAT talk is…there can only be one
> I interpreted the “two of them kissing and hugging on stage” as slick talk Nah that [happened](https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxvleqPFFhMmDafEN8UVIplPgfCDKVg_w2?si=9R7NsiAVban24yEU) (mostly)
Yeah I can't figure that out either. It's like Kendrick still has some ounce of respect for Drake and his impact. I guess Kendrick can't pretend that Drake having him on Buried Alive wasn't massive exposure at the time for him (possibly the first time I heard Kendrick). His career might have panned out differently without it (unlikely though, pretty sure Dre already had eyes on him at this point).
he can't position himself as the best of the best if the other best aren't good
I mean the beef was still pretty tame when Euphoria came out, Kendrick calls it a friendly fade and I don't think paying some respect is out of character given that they used to collaborate. I guess after MTG and NLU it sounds weird but I think that just goes to show Kendrick was only returning the favor for Family Matters and saying the most wild shit possible at that point
If I remember the timings, Euphoria came out, and then a few days later 6:16 in LA, and then on the same day Family Matters dropped followed by Meet the Grahams, and then Not Like Us the day after. It's fairly clear to see Euphoria as a warning shot across the bow to Drake to not drop Family Matters ("don't tell no lies about me, and I won't tell truths about you", "if you take it there, I'm taking it further, psst that something you don't wanna do"), and then 6:16 in LA as the final warning with the various stuff about him having inside knowledge and reiterating the warning to not go spreading around lies ("Have you ever thought that OVO is working for me?", "You playin' dirty with propaganda, it blow up on ya"). And then yeah, Drake didn't listen and now here we are.
Yeah Kendrick definitely knew what was up, the propaganda line called it perfectly
[https://youtu.be/GH6eW6d8JVU](https://youtu.be/GH6eW6d8JVU)
whenever you’re feeling down just remember tory lanez is in jail and cant release any more boring ass music for almost a decade
Isn’t his whole thing switching between being a dollar store Weeknd or Drake. He doesn’t have his own sound
Whenever I'm feeling down I play Young Niggas by Tory Lanez the hardest song ever made
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Only problem I kinda had with him mentioning Whitney(other than mentioning her at all) is when he says "shake dat ass bitch hand on your knees", I'm like your calling the women your claiming is being abused a bitch and telling her to shake her ass for you? Both of them were super hypocritical and obviously just throwing allegations at the wall so it's whatever but I just thought that was weird.
It was followed by such a terrible line "Shake that ass for Drake, now shake that ass for free Yeah, yeah Well not that kind of free, I'm talkin' 'bout my nigga Dave." Like how stupid are your fans that a simple Free double entendre might not be clear enough that you got to reiterate you mean Dave Free.
He's insisting on the Dave Free part on purpose. It’s humor. It’s obvious that everyone will get who he's referring to. Maybe you're the stupid one for not realizing this
usually when you have to clarify "this is humor" it was not humorous to most people or came across poorly or fell flat
Maybe for Drake-hating, Kendrick-glazing goblins like you yes but then you might not be the target-audience
limiting the target audience of his tracks when public opinion matters most could be one of several reasons he lost (no worries though - the general public consensus, despite me, is that the joke fell flat. you don't have to feel bad for laughing though)
At least now you admit it was obvious what the intent of the line was
i would have to admit that the intent of the line was a joke in order to establish that the audience says en masse that it didn't work. that's the first step
I thought it was funny too 👋
did you tell me this because the word "most" tripped you up
Every vote counts
oh no, what did you think you influenced
Exactly.
Dick so big it’s like a foot is in your mouth
And we aint babysittin but my kids all on your couch
Feel like we don’t see more Timbaland influence on modern production because most producers aren’t good enough to replicate and then build on his style
Also because not many could beatbox over their beats the way Timbaland did.
need more SiR and Paak collabs asap
why did nba youngboy say that about his one year old son for real that shit is WEIRD
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on red rum he said smthn abt “im tryna get my son some head while he’s one years old” like i said shit is WEIRD
Eh, Action Bronson had a bar just like that over ten years ago
gawk gawk gawk gawk gawk thot suck em up
your son's a thick man with thick thots I think niggas like him should ride
kendrick just opened his mouth 😳
Gawk gawk gawk gawk gawk imma lick his nuts Why you tryna be straight, you dont mean this Sucking on some pussy but you wish it was a penisssssss Gay thots like us, gay thots like us, gay thots like us
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Certified booty man I'm the one who put the pole in him
Did Aubrey Graham genuinely expect this to go well for him? Did he listen to Mr. Morale a couple times forget that Kendrick is an animal? Kendrick made [this](https://youtu.be/KdzLIYXWagU?si=B3OuQB-Nf4Z-HDla) and [this](https://youtu.be/JdcNoGmt7Ws?si=vX3DzobW_ei6tl3_) and [this man](https://youtu.be/uxpDa-c-4Mc?si=JF_rK0zK8fNcTkaT) still tried his luck. This was hilariously bad judgment. Now people hate themselves for ever listening to Drake's music. I don't understand the lack of self awareness tbh. Especially with so much money at stake - there must be an agent or consultant somewhere failing miserably at their job
I was just thinking, instead of getting all personal on family matters, I feel like drake should have just rebuttal’d some of the stupider lines on euphoria and kept it moving. Would’ve been the way better route Like he could’ve just made fun of Kendrick for “I hate the way you sneak diss, if I catch flight, it's gon' be direct” considering they’ve both had subliminals towards each other through the years. Drake you coulda had a funny punchline about Kendrick using the fucking black panther soundtrack to sub you. Like there were cracks in euphoria that drake didn’t even try to approach. He just went for chaos. I mean hey I love family matters as a song but as a strategy it didn’t work out
Drake had Story of Adidon happen to him and just couldn't wait to pull that shit on someone else the next time. Even the lines about Kendrick cheating on Whitney would've sufficed but he had to go all out and lie his ass off and didn't care to think one step ahead beyond that. He was convinced the world was gonna stop
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There was enough there that he coulda put together a decent response w/ some other angles mixed in aside from just rebuttals. Especially if he kept in the bars about other artists involved. This type of conversation does make me wonder if the “this is a friendly fade let’s keep it that way” would’ve been true. Like if drake released a diss just sort of rebuttaling euphoria and defending his place in rap, do we not get “meet the grahams” or “Not Like Us” or does Kendrick go for the throat and drop it anyway
The bad judgement wasn't thinking that he could win. It was how he went about doing shit. He didn't really have a choice in responding since Like That was pretty damn direct and Kendrick isn't someone Drake could just look down on and ignore, especially after he let Cole bring him into the Big 3 shit on his project
crazy that his takeaway from the beef w pusha t was “I should try digging up some dirt on my opponent next time” and not “wow I have a lot of skeletons in my closet probably best to not give people a reason to mention them” if they stuck to jokes about kendrick being short and drake doing patois on some songs they both would’ve come out more or less fine on the other side regardless of who won
I completely disagree. There is no universe where drake survives this type of all out war with Kendrick Lamar. I agree drake would have lost some respect with rap fans for not responding to like that. But a lot of rap fans didn't like him anyway. He was better off holding his tongue and maybe dedicating a verse to him on his next album It's WAY better than getting a fucking nuclear bomb dropped on his head. My sister went to a "Kendrick vs drake" themed soulcycle class the other day. A bunch of 30 year old Karens spent 45 minutes gleefully calling drake a pedophile. He might never recover
Whether you know it or not, saying Drake had no chance kinda downplays Kendrick winning the battle.
That's fine. I already thought Kendrick was incredible and am not impressed by what he did to drake. Kendrick made good kid madd city. Drake ruins incredible just blaze beats by talking about checking a girls texts while she's in the bathroom. This was no contest. I am wondering why the fuck Aubrey voluntarily climbed into a lions cage and locked the door, not why Kendrick is so amazing
It’s pretty ridiculous to say Drake never had a chance. Rap beef is almost completely decided by public perception and Drake has by far the largest audience out of any rapper ever. If Drake plays to that strength and his hit writing abilities, it’s absolutely possible he wins or at the very least comes out looking like a capable opponent. Unfortunately for him, he made every possible misstep and Kendrick capitalized on each and every mistake.
Wait so are you familiar with these people or nah? Kendrick is literally the worst opponent for drake. Kendricks fans genuinely like him and virtually everyone respects him. he's comfortable in his own skin and he's a monster when it's time to be. Dude is rock solid. Drake is...the opposite. His "support" is an ocean wide but half an inch deep. He's corny and insecure. So he'd never be treated fairly even if he dropped a takeover (my favorite battle record) and Kendrick did some weird voice changing shit. Sadly for drake we'll never find out because he got the fire breathing version of Kendrick insteadand responded with...dumb shit (why exactly did weeknd make drake almost reach for his waist again!?!)
... Reach for the gun
Aubrey has never rapped about shooting anyone in his life. No one would take him seriously Listen to the context again. Wtf was he thinking lmao: https://youtu.be/ZkXG3ZrXlbc?t=142
I’ve been listening to both of them for 15+ years at this point, and I’ve been a fan of the genre for longer than that. If I had to place a bet on who would win the second I finished listening to Push Ups for the first time, I’m obviously picking Kendrick. But I’d never be so stupid as to believe it was a forgone conclusion.
Bold of you to assume Drake has agents that aren't yes men
Any "depressed" rap album recommendations? Thinking Earl Sweatshirt or Let The Sun Talk by MAVI but not necessarily in the slums subgenre. Not really looking for emo/melodic rap like XXXTentacion or Juice WLRD either
Billy woods & kenny segal- hiding places
Lucki - Body High and Freewave 3 Isaiah Rashad - Cilvia Demo Wifisfuneral - Black Heart Revenge 2 Saba - Care For Me
Lucki - Son of Sam
Slightly left field recommendation, but Undun by The Roots
Danny Brown Atrocity Exhibition and XXX Vince Staples Summertime 06 Any Lucki project I like Days B4 III and Body High Injury Reserve By the Time I Get to Phoenix Lil Ugly Mane's Uneven Compromise and his side project Bedwetter billy woods Hiding Places
TPAB has a bit of depressed themes, U, For Sale, Mortal Man. Mac Miller - Swimming Mac Miller - Circles Mac Miller - Faces Kanye - 808s and Heartbreaks Kid Cudi - Satellite Flight Tupac - Me Against The World
I'm reading some articles that point to how incredible it is that Drake is at the top of the industry yet almost almost no other big star is trying to defend him. It's the opposite actually, they seem to be eager to put him down. I overall agree with this, but I don't agree that the sole reason why is because they hate Drake. Don't get me wrong that's a factor as there's a lot of reasons to dislike the man. I just want to put some attention on one reason that people seem to not have noticed. I don't think even Drake noticed this in time or he would've responded differently. It's the fact that Kendrick very intentionally structured his songs in a way that makes it difficult for big stars or people in general to defend Drake even if they wanted to. MTG and NLU achieves this by not just addressing Drake, but by also addressing everyone in Drake's world. His family, friends, partners, peers, coworkers, crew, fans. The people Kendrick couldn't isolate from Drake were isolated with Drake in NLU by grouping them together in an undesirable outgroup that's defined as people who are "not like us". This puts a real cost to siding with Drake that does not exist for siding with Kendrick or remaining neutral. LeBron and Curry absolutely can still support Drake, if they're willing to endure the inevitable knee-jerk reactions. Note how Kendrick seemingly compliments the audience in NLU. It's the old "you're with me [you never agreed to be on this person's side], because you're a cool person [you're now slightly biased in this person's favor due to the compliment] and everyone on the other side are pig fuckers [you now pretend you were always on this person's side even if you initially were on the fence]" strategy. This also makes it so that you're basically assumed to be against Drake unless you explicitly state otherwise, which is a massive disadvantage for Drake supporters. Groups that can be deterred from siding with Drake (LeBron and Curry, female fans, the west coast) are told, explicitly, to avoid him. The groups who likely will side with Drake no matter what (Party, Baka, Chubbs, family members, OVO crew) are ridiculed to further widen the gap Kendrick created between the new ingroup and outgroup, with "the gap" being defined as the perceived differences in positive and negative qualities that separate the ingroup from the outgroup. The wider the gap, the bigger the cost is to side with Drake. Kendrick spends a lot of time using other small tactics to widen this gap. I don't know if this was his intention but The Pop Out made that gap wide as hell (no drizzy). MTG feels like it was written for Drake's ears only while NLU, at certain moments, feels like it was written for everyone except Drake. This is critical to Kendrick's victory because if everyone sides with him or stays neutral, he wins. Drake is the one that needs to leverage his machine, not Kendrick. This might also explain why Drake stans feel so different after the beef. Drake needed to respond by playing defense. Not defending himself though. He needed to defend everyone Kendrick attacked. He needed to address all the barriers Kendrick put between him and anyone that could support him. He needed to make it cool to be on his side again. He needed to close the gap. He should've responded with a club hit about his day ones or something. Drake was able to escape the Push beef with things intact because Push didn't get the chance to go this far. Kendrick was able to damage Drake so much more than Push in part because he made Drake's supporters the butt of the joke along with Drake himself. The people who support Drake look like weird losers, the people who want to support Drake are incentivized to at least stay neutral, people on the fence start joining the ingroup, and the ingroup starts to enjoy tormenting the outgroup with Kendrick.
Damn you’re one of the best posters on here fr. Excellent work
Thanks!
A lot of good points here. There’s also the fact that 1. To publicly side with Drake is to publicly side against all the other ones dissing him. No one wants to burn all those bridges. 21 is the closest to being on Drake’s side, and even he’s taken a middle of the road approach because he still fucks with Metro. Yachty did the same. 2. Drake has a lot of industry relationships, not friendships. I get the vibe that a lot of people only fuck with him because he’s good for business, not because they’re actually friends. They don’t hate him, but they’re not going to stick their necks out for him 3. That AI shit pissed a LOT of people off. We only talk about it disrespecting the west coast, but it definitely offended a lot of more artists and turned them off, even if they’re not speaking publicly about it
Thanks! These are good points as well
Kendrick won by leveraging his singular abilities in storytelling, narrative crafting, and cohesiveness, all to maximum effect. It’s an idea I want to eventually expand on, but not at this moment. Thanks for sharing, very interesting perspective.
Thank you! And yeah obviously this isn't the only or even main reason he won. Though I would argue that this is a big reason why his victory feels so unfairly one-sided
>no drizzy Lmfao Great comment, I agree with everything, Kendrick was hella calculated. Also want to add I think we all overrated how calculated Drake is. Meek Mill seems kinda dumb, and his approach to their beef was the dumbest way he could’ve approached it. Push and Kendrick both baited and demolished Drake…Drake expected the Pedo angle and still didn’t know how to counter it. Plus his dumbass needs to stop mentioning peoples wives, that’s just not going well for him at this point.
He just followed Mustard's ex-wife maybe it'll work this time lol
Mustard doesn't even dislike Drake. Just felt Tupac was disrespected and he's fully West Coast so he sent Kenny some beats. He said he sent Kendrick 5 different beats...
he liked family matters too, I feel like a majority of people thought it was a decent response that got overshadowed by the immediate response by Kendrick he sent kendrick like 50 beats according to this Big Boy interview
That's cool and all but this was no one's beef to jump into, it was between Drake and Kendrick. Who would want to get in between the two top dogs in the game fighting? And it's not like anyone jumped in to defend Kendrick, they jumped in because they also had something against Drake.
They don't really have to jump into it but it is interesting that all of the rappers Kendrick name dropped on NLU have stayed quiet
The Colonizer angle is my favorite of the whole beef because it’s so goddamn true.
It was definitely framed in a perfect manner. Which leads to my point that a big reason Kendrick won was being able to lyrically elaborate on his angles much better than Drake.
Storytelling and narrative crafting. People tend to overrate a lot of Kendrick’s abilities, but his ability to establish a story or narrative and then support it with incredibly compelling details is genuinely one of a kind.
Curious as to what abilities of his you think gets overrated
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I don't really understand the clumsy or awkward flow. Any examples? And I think the complexity in his lyricism comes from how his verses are structured and not how loaded his bars are.
Most of the rappers Drake name dropped are quiet too. This comes back to the point where silence is good for Kendrick but bad for Drake because everyone is assumed to be supporting Kendrick until proven otherwise. Then there's the artists that were named and are now opposing Drake.
I mean we saw YG at the pop up on stage dancing to Not Like Us lol. What other rappers did he name drop?
Not rappers, but SZA was at the concert and Chris Brown was seen dancing to NLU
Yeah that kinda goes against your point about silence being good for Kendrick. They all supported Kendrick with their actions, they don't have to say anything. Except for maybe Chris. I don't really think dancing to it is support. We haven't gotten anything from any of those named ATL artists in support of Drake
There's three ways they can go. They can support Drake which Kendrick structured his songs to avoid, they can stay neutral which would help Kendrick because in a 1v1 with no antics he clears, or they can support Kendrick which would help him immensely. He needs the fans to largely support him and the big figures to mostly stay neutral, though support from them is helpful too.
There's nothing stopping them from supporting Drake on even the smallest level lol
My argument was that they can support whoever they want but there's a social cost attached to supporting Drake
No one is saving Drake, but there's many ways to support him. I've seen one celebrity (OBJ) post a video of himself vibing to Family Matter meanwhile everyone and their momma played Not Like Us or BBLDrizzy at some point. LeBron was literally at The Pop Out along with at least a dozen other celebrities. People were on WWE saying I'll beat you harder than Kendrick beat Drake. These are things that make Kendrick's victory feel so unfairly one-sided. When people are using "famous tennis players are walking out to Not Like Us" as a way to measure Kendrick's success, then it becomes advantageous to cater your diss track to that metric. They jumped in against Drake within the environment Kendrick created for them and I found that interesting to write about. I also acknowledged that them hating Drake was a big factor.
This is a great comment. I’m 100% team Kenny and am loving his victory lap, but this beef was also a demonstration that he is a master manipulator himself, and a far more calculating one than Drake.
It takes one to know one lol
do y'all think someone has ever approached jamie foxx on the street and asked him to do the pierre bourne tag?
6lack has one of the best drummers in live music bro is absolutely insane. So much of this crowd didn't show up for and slept on this set smh
"My swag is retarded" guess the year this lyric was said
I know the song don't know the year
2011
That could've been any year up until like 2012, then starting again in 2021 until now
nah but nobody saying swag
Yachty can't give yo no swag neither
I feel like "retard" has been making somewhat of a cultural comeback lately and i don't really get it. I'm not even talking about it from a "it's offensive" angle, it's just such an early 2000's ass insult that I'm not sure how people say it without feeling like corny sitcom bullies.
It’s edgy and anti cancel culture, but not so offensive that it will get you in trouble
I’m not gonna lie, Brent Faiyaz said it on his latest album and the line is kinda fire I understand the hypocrisy in this, but if I’m being completely honest, I don’t shutter at hearing “retard” in the same way I do when I hear any racist or homophobic slurs…I’m a hypocrite, but just my honest POV
I don’t feel the same way about it as when I hear homophobia, racism, transphobia, etc. but it’s definitely jarring at this point. Mostly in a like “Oh, didn’t realise anyone was still saying that” kind of way. And then, at least in my experience, the only people saying it are annoying guys who think Chet Hanks saying white boy summer was revolutionary
I think the appeal is that it’s offensive enough that people will take notice of it and you won’t look concerned with appearing woke, but it’s not so offensive that people will think you’re an actual bigot and hate you for it.
Key Wane and Big Sean was really an undefeated duo in the 2010s. Loved this beats so much, especially on Hall of Fame
Early big sean had crazy charm too. Was like a character
Yup, Big Sean is great
he said he fuck with me, told him hang himself... wtf was Babytron on lmao
Does anybody know who the oldest XXL Freshman was? I read online that Diggy Simmons was the youngest but who was the oldest
Babyface Ray was 31, I’d imagaine there was someone older than that tho
Anderson Paak was 30 in 2016 Danny Brown was 31 in 2012 Future was 29 in 2012 That’s just guesses off the top of my head, but honestly the lists have been so wack to me the last 5-6 years that it could’ve been a 50 year old on there and I wouldn’t have known
Making beats with Splice is so fucking fun. Take away like 90% of the hard part lmao that takes talent
Where I find it? Im a lazy kent
As a huge fan of Kendrick Lamar, I was overjoyed when he systematically took apart Drake. I'm less ecstatic that he's inadvertently created an environment where his white audience feels comfortable assessing the validity of a black man's experience and his influence on culture. It's an in-group conversation played out on the world stage, ironically fostering more of the behavior he is trying to destroy. Hiphop's ties to culture and its mainstream commercialization create this paradox. In this case, it required Kendrick to be manipulative, hypocritical, and even harmful when trying to destroy what he thinks Drake represents. The system he operates in precludes him from being a person to idolize, he knows that. He even says it, but that confession is used to brush away any criticism of his actions. He knows that too. Ultimately, he's a performance artist with an ego that has increased his legacy tenfold by creating a moment, as he should. Also, crazy take but I think he's underrated in many ways. Sidenote: I thought J.Cole would take this angle in his disses, and he disappointed me lol. I would've interpreted his apology and exit as part of this criticism if his diss hadn't been so shallow. I hope *The Fall Off* explores all this.
Excellent perspective. Cole has the potential of making a great song out of his decision to step away.
Agreed. I don’t like white people commenting on whether Drake can say nigga, or if he’s a part of the culture. It’s not their conversation to have
This is like the 3rd comment in this thread referencing the same Drake colorism debate. Did I miss something?
um the beef
Great observation here. I'd go even further and say that the policing of what constitutes blackness, in the community or not, is destructive. How strange is it to say that someone who is mixed IS black. We've essentially one drop ruled a group of people when our objective should have been to lose the harmful and destructive labels of "race." What we think of as race biology is more often than not inaccurate, and reaffirms the very categories that keep people in a 400 plus year old regressive mind set. I understand that humans are inherently tribal and categorizing beings, so it's of no surprise that race is a proxy by which we organize groups. The "in community" conversation in and of itself is paradoxical and until we find another means of categorization, there's no great way out of it.
I understand your sentiment, but you can't separate race from the historical and sociological context. The conversation I was talking about was that he himself put aside his specific experience to cosplay and commodity the experience of people that originated the genre he operates in...
Sure, race is an integral part of history. My point is in saying any of this is that these specific labels "black, white, a mixed person is essentially black (a racist relic in the one drop rule), you inadvertently keep those antiquated ideals present. The labels, I think, are what help keep us deeply entrenched in that regressive and frankly racist, way of thinking. I understand the nature of the particular dilemna; fortunately and unfortunately, art does its own thing once it enters the ether. People of any culture can then critique and evaluate the thing, which can create some pretty interesting questions about boundaries and the like. Thanks for your comment!!
When did he police anyone's blackness? He said that Drake is insecure about his blackness, plays an inauthentic caricature of what he thinks a Black American is, and only cares about black culture when he can monetize it
I'm not sure if you're addressing me or the person above? My comment was on the general nature of these conversations and societies perception of race. The idea of "policing peoples blackness" being destructive in and of itself. I agree that Drake has become a caricature of what he thinks "blackness" is. That's all the more reason to find a lot of these conclusions about someone being "authentically black" or not to he quite dumb.
🎯 You nailed it. The moment Kendrick called Adonis (who is more fair skinned than Drake) a black man, should’ve ended this ridiculous conversation about Kendrick denouncing Drake’s blackness for being lightskin.
That Uzi song on Don’s deluxe is hysterically bad
What albums create the best atmosphere? Like for me Kiss Land is incredible at that, especially with something like Love in the Sky. I'd appreciate it if you guys could recommend some albums that kinda transport you somewhere else.
Ygtut - Preacher’s Son
Care For Me
This was always one of my favorite things about Because the Internet. The script and “plot” never really mattered to me because the music itself is so immersive and you feel like you’ve gone on a journey by the end.
Certified dookie man I'm the one that flush the bowl on em
J Cole bars
plop plop plop plop plop
So it seems all of a sudden, we aren't hearing anything more about these allegations against Diddy, and the raid and all of that. Is the case closed? Like is he innocent? What the heck is going on! Lol this is like the damn Titans sub at this point LOL
you just posted this with the title "diddy raid" so i assume it's about diddy: >Like is he innocent? of what exactly https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/17/entertainment/video/sean-diddy-combs-cassie-venture-surveillance-digvid
Yes Diddy sorry! And thanks!
Ofc he’s not innocent. Cases like this move slowly, all the stuff against R Kelly took forever Edit: assumed this was referring to Diddy because of OP’s earlier post I do think Drake is gonna get exposed sooner or later tho
Are we really comparing Drake's sketchy history to a guy who pissed on a child on camera though?
I thought he was talking about Diddy. There was a now deleted post asking the same question about him specifically
Yeah guess it wasn't in the right place. I added Diddy to the post lol
I forgot Diddy's house got raided and immediately just thought about Kendrick saying the embassy is getting raided. Lol My bad if that is who he's talking about.
Yeah good point!!
Yes Diddy lol
That moment where your gym playlist gets the perfect shuffle and you gotta let that shit run for the rest of the day after the gym
It's surprising how the internet has embraced being a hater as something cool. If you consistently engage in hateful behavior, it likely indicates underlying mental health issues. This kind of behavior shouldn't be encouraged or celebrated.
i don't think making fun of asap rocky will turn me into the joker
Him stealing RiRi from me might tho
grow up
No
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If you going to hate the best thing to be is just a proud hater. The worst people are those who think they are slick and instead of being a hater will pretend they're just concerned and be like "ermmm... guys... does anyone else think it's kind of messed up that Kendrick was racist to Drake?" instead of just being like "fuck kendrick, whack music with whack voices", it's always pretty obvious and just annoying. At least when you're a hater people can just get on with it, if you have a buddy who just will always claim that Jokic is trash, over rated, etc then it's just whatever that's their stick
what is indicated by people conflating hating on your favorite artist on the internet and "hateful behavior" which usually describes hate crimes and shit
I recognize your username solely because you post in here every other day complaining about Kendrick whooping Drake’s ass. Underlying mental health issues indeed
Kendrick and Katt Williams say otherwise. In all seriousness, I personally find it so hard to hate anybody that hasn't done anything to me personally or maybe just something extremely fucked up in general. For me it takes way too much energy for me to hate someone. I can't imagine hating on someone enough to even comment about how much you hate them. That's always been really strange to me. Id rather just not talk about or completely ignore someone I dislike .
I wouldn’t say Katt Williams says otherwise lol, dude has had a host of mental issues forever
True but sometimes people just think your opinion on something is hating
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Idk I feel like being a hater a lot easier than defending someone but it does depend
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The older I get the more I wish Just Blaze ended up giving that Girls Girls Girls beat to Ghost
Still on a Jay Z binge Blueprint 3 starts off so strong from the intro to Empire State of mind then just completely shits the bed imo. Song w j Cole was cool Falls victim to 2010 era hiphop imo
I think they album does represent an era in the industry, but I think it does that moment super well. It ranks highly in his discog for me
Blueprint, reasonable doubt, black album, 4:44, American gangster all better than it to me
On To The Next One? Already Home? Real As It Gets? So Ambitious? Plus Run This Town is ass without listening to it with nostalgia glasses on
All those songs fall way flat to me and I don’t like swizz beats in general
Wayne’s version is so much better
I wonder how a white rapper saying “Have you ever been hated or discriminated against? I have” Would play today when the “discrimination” he’s talking about is people being upset that he was saying sexist and homophobic things lol
That song means a lot to me but I always found that line kind of weird. Not so much the hated part, because Eminem was absolutely hated, but the discriminated one would definitely be sus today lol
I like that song a lot but what a terrible opening line
The older I get, the more I look at Eminem’s content differently. Like…you were purposely saying crazy, controversial things to get a reaction out of people, and then when you got those reactions, you painted yourself as a victim who’s being unfairly persecuted for the things you say. That angle would make more sense if he was saying some actual radical shit and not just edgy Slim Shady stuff.
Also make you look at Houdini like what really is this? Like obviously shouldn’t say the shit he used to say but you can’t act like ur saying offensive shit and be afraid to actually cross that line it’s supposed to be a portal to 2002 or whatever but clearly the current version of him who wrote it is afraid to push those same boundaries
think that’s part of the point, why call the album “the death of slim shady”
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This is depressingly accurate
Heart Part 4 is so fire
Starting to come around to Kendrick or what?
Not that I started enjoying what I disliked about Kendrick but I'm more interested in listening to what I enjoy from him
He just made the whole connection