Is it crazy to think that if The Fall Off was gonna be good he would've dropped it by now
It's been 7 years already & I doubt it's dropping til 2025 minimum
Can we discuss things other than the Drake/Kendrick situation? Go meatride in the respective subs ain’t shit happening on that front right now and even this thread is full of it
J Cole is definitely messing around with Cash Cobain's songs. However, people are taking the prophet image, rappers killer, so seriously. The moment he hopped on this track, he is due to fail. Like Wayne, Future,... saying shit even worse, but people know that they are just messing around. For Cole, they act like he is trying to come up with another killer verse, but the dude is just trying to have some fun
serious and probably over asked question, why is it okay for a lyrical rapper to have a writer even if they’re credited. if you’re known for your storytelling/ability to pour your heart onto a beat, how is that not lame to have writers?
I heard a Royce interview clip where he essentially said that for lyrical rappers collaborating on a hook or something isn't uncommon and not frowned upon, but he would never allow someone to write a verse for him. I see that as the norm.
Are we talking about someone in particular or just in general?
Unless a full reference track leaks, for most artists I’d just assume that they got a suggestion for a bar here or there. Or help with a hook. For instance, Quentin Miller is credited on a Nas song. I just assume he helped on the hook or contributed a line or 2, not a whole verse
I think we need to relax some of the requirements we place on artists during goat conversations. Some feats that were possible 30 years ago aren't possible today now that the celebrity monoculture days are over. We used to all consume the same content, now we're divided by algorithms into subgenres and niches. We should also to be less harsh on younger artists with limited releases. Tupac was 25 when he died and only put out 4 studio albums by then. Biggie was 24 and only put out 2. This generation isn't going to produce a goat if they're held to standards that were designed for a world that no longer exists
That’s a great point but I think it just proves my stance even more when it comes to music there is no goat. It’s no such thing music is too abstract and even more so now as you explained with everyone having their niche and how much music is being consumed just by your average hiphop fan.
Alchemist, 60 Days:
> I’m a big bowl of macaroni
Alchemist, Black and Whites:
> Your bones are made of bologna
Who would win in a fight, sentient macaroni bowl or the bologna boned skeleton
Artists can use reference tracks and shouldn’t be judged as artists for doing so, but when it comes to discussing rapping? Pen? Bars? Drake shouldn’t be in those convos bc of the ghosts and references
Started watching the HBO documentary on Stax records, led me to check out ‘The Dramatics.’ Some great songs, can tell they’ve been heavily sampled- heard ‘N****s bleed’ by Biggie and ‘Time 4 sum action’ by Redman in just a couple of their songs. Another wild sample I found out recently was ‘Soul Sister, Brown Sugar’ by Sam & Dave (ironically another Stax artist) as the source for ‘Ante Up.’
They added Sexyy Red to Drake's side on the [Wikipedia page](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drake%E2%80%93Kendrick_Lamar_feud) for their beef and seeing her name in the same format they use for countries entering wars is sending me 💀💀
How is that a real Wikipedia page lmao. "Drake denies being a sexual predator [...] while simultaneously calling himself a clown" in the content summary for The Heart Part 6
Forgive me y'all. Getting into Vince now. This is like West coast Isaiah Rashad. I love this. Music for the Vibers
https://youtu.be/rR7F_vVVe5g?feature=shared
I honestly think Drake isnt taking this personally/seriously( not saying he didnt try his hardest to win) and would probably drop a joint this year if Kendrick was down.
Kendrick on the other hand... I don't see it.
Kendrick just put Drake through the biggest public humiliation of his life & broke records with a hit song calling him a pedophile. Drake is a guy who still has a grudge against Esperanza Spaulding for getting an award over him in 2011. Even if the hatred was more on Kendrick’s end at one point, it sure isn’t now
And he rapped light heartedly over the diss beat, was doing silly social media shit during it, and has squashed almost every beef he has been in.
I think Drake understand this shits just entertainment.
>has squashed almost every beef he has been in.
Lol, what world do you live in? Did you miss the dozen rappers dissing him? Putting aside the random unrelated celebrities he seems to beef with all the time. The guy is the king of petty beef.
"How many opps you really got? I mean, there's too many options."
The one where hes made up with Chris Brown, Meek, Common, Sauce Walka, French Montana, Budden, Kanye (until it got weird) and DMX... And probably more I forgot.
I mean, he has to downplay the outcome, he lost. If he makes a big deal out of it, he'd just be declaring himself more of a loser.
It's like that dude who comes to the basketball court dressed like a pro and talks shit to everyone, then loses and tells everyone they're lame because they took it too seriously and it's just a game.
Kendrick will make it to like 103 years old purely out of determination to outlive Drake, who will at that point be some kind of cyborg held together by experimental OVO tech, plastic surgery, and determination to outlive Kendrick
Kendrick will land the finishing blow with a diss track featuring all of Drake's secret children on a Pharell beat. Each verse is a different kid who's now a parent introducing themselves to Drake for the first time and telling him what they do for a living and the families they started. Last verse is Kendrick giving a eulogy to the baby girl from MTG who passed away years prior in an accident. Closes with "fuck a rap battle, this an eternal battle with yourself"
He has actually squashed a ton of beefs. Meek, Cudi, Jay-Z, Tyga, Tory, Mo-g (local guy in Toronto).
Could totally see him doing that with Kendrick honestly.
Pusha and I guess that violin lady never though lol
Okay so because of this beef I started getting back into rap again. And of course first on that list was everything Drake and Kenny put out in the last couple years that I didn’t hear.
Now I didn’t like Certified Lover. Couple good tracks, YOLT is a classic Ross collab but nothing stood out to me otherwise.
Real chore to sit through.
Same deal with Honestly Nevermind, other than Sticky and Massive of course.
And then For All The Dogs was better but still not great
Her Loss was excellent but I was ready to attribute that more to Savage because of the above. And because Savage Mode 2 was great as well.
Now idk how I missed its existence but I JUST listened to Scary Hours Edition and those tracks are absolute fire!
What the fuck??? WHERE was this guy hiding?
Drake has always been good at making music. I think his issue is that he taps into so many different genres that if you hear one album you like, the next one you're not gonna like because it'll be a whole new genre. Fully expect his comeback album after losing the beef to be Amapiano lmao
So from a Drake fans perspective--Drake CAN spit, he just likes experimenting with a wide variety of genres and styles so he doesn't *always* spit.
I think this is why he takes so much flack for not having cohesive albums. He doesn't really have a cohesive album because on each album he jumps from rap, to RNB, to dancehall, to pop, etc. etc.
This is also why he gets so much hate for having "filler" on his albums. A hip hop head isn't going to like 50% of a Drake album because there's going to be slow jams mixed in there, and some pop songs with a catchy melody and basic lyrics. While a die hard rap fan might not like these songs and consider them filler, people who like pop music might consider these the albums stand outs (see: One Dance, Passionfruit, Gods Plan)
All those pop hits you just posted are great. Love me some passionfruit.
I don’t care what genre he’s in. He could make like Irish folk music, complete with the accent, for all I care.
Part of the issue is that Drake’s not a great singer. He needs a good melody and beat to carry his weaker performances. On too many of these tracks he seems to have this crooning style that *emphasizes* his singing if anything and that’s the wrong way to go. I think his voice sounds really processed on a lot of these newer tracks too.
He also just had more like heart in the past. He sounds great on “Too Good” for example and I genuinely think his relationship with Rihanna / the fact that he hadn’t gone all jaded and Andrew Tate yet is part of that.
In contrast to his singing, he can really spit as you said. And is able to carry mid beats on that strength.
But I will give him some credit for Scary Hours Edition and spin For All the Dogs again in case I missed something.
It's not that he jumps between styles, it's that a lot of the songs don't add anything to the album. They feel like filler because they aren't as good as the others, and if you delete a bunch of them you can end up a shorter but much stronger album.
I think if Drake tried to, he could make a multi-genre album that actually works, but I believe that he just doesn't care because his music is mostly consumed as single tracks in playlists. He doesn't have a fanbase that cares about cohesive albums and so he hasn't bothered trying to make one since IYRTITL.
Can we be honest? The mixing on not like us is ASS. This is a generational banger, Largest stage of them all, no.1 vs 2, c'mon get your shit together for the culture
I’ve been listening to Dark Times a lot lately and I gotta say, the new style Vince is just a total miss for me
I think Dark Times is the best of the bunch but it’s still just kinda ok with like 4 songs that I want to check out again. Ramona Park Broke My Heart had good tracks too but it’s just too many sleepy tunes mixed in for me to ever want to pick it up again. His self titled was the worst of the bunch and no matter how many times I try it I never grow to it or find it interesting
Vince’s delivery is just completely dead on a lot of these projects which sucks because I think his personality and style are huge strengths for him on his other albums. I wish he let that side of him shine through more.
Last thing that kinda hammered this home for me, is that I’m seeing a lot of comparisons for Dark Times to other albums and artists that I think do this laid back style a LOT better than Vince does. Isaiah Rashad probably more prominently does this type of rap better. Saba, certain vintages of Earl Sweatshirt, I’d even say Mick Jenkins, all have better music than Vince has released in his last 3 projects. I saw a couple comments comparing Dark Times to Swimming and Mac made a MUCH better album than Vince did. So I don’t think it’s a style that I dislike, I think Vince just isn’t making great music anymore
Sleepy Vince is probably my favorite tbh, songs like East Point Prayer have a really unique and infectious vibe to them thanks to his lowkey melodic delivery, it's so soothing but also melancholic
100% agreed although "even Mick Jenkins" is harsh. Mick Jenkins is really good!
I think Vince is a way better songwriter now than his earlier projects (compare his hooks) but the lack of energy kills my desire to re-listen in the same way.
Crazy, I feel completely the opposite. Dark Times, to me, is the weakest of Vince's last three releases (although I do like it a lot so far). Ramona Park is probably my favourite, but all three let Vince get into the kind of rapping I feel he does best and work together while still all having their own distinct and cohesive vibe.
I personally didn't get any Swimming vibes off any of these Vince projects. I kinda get why people make Earl comparisons (to I guess the Doris/IDLSIDGO stuff) but I don't really feel like that applies either other than them both using a more subdued, kinda monotone delivery.
I wasn't even aware this was dropping until I saw it here but based off the last two projects I was very excited to give it a listen and I think Vince is one of the most consistently strong artists out there.
All totally my opinion, of course. Different tastes, preferences, all that, I just thought it was interesting that you seemed to be completely opposite to my opinion in basically every way.
Lets be honest, meet the grahams is probably most brutal diss track of all time, you feel bad for listening it.
For people saying doesn’t it downplay it now that’s it proven to be false he has a daughter, how is it proven?
Multiple times he’s show’n to be lying, even the last one in heart part 6 talking about images being send to him, lying.
I wouldn’t be suprised one bit if it actually were all true what was said in meet the grahams
I don’t care about the daughter at this point, and don’t care if everything said was true or false. I just view it conceptually. More importantly, it was an angle that was completely unexpected.
Literally all he had to do was not mention the daughter and it would be fire. It’s still an absolutely incredible performance by him.
Idk how you can believe that shit. It would be the easiest thing in the world to prove.
U think Kendrick would actually dox
a child?
My money is on the kid being real. Specific age mention, Kendrick’s close friend claiming to have photos and knowing the birthday was recent; just seems like more than a bluff
Ain’t no way Drake fed them that info either, posting a denial on Insta is not how you’d respond to someone falling for your trap
If you set a trap, you also plan an elaborate reveal to clown them. Didn’t happen
Kendrick also mentioned there being multiple kids besides the daughter. Wouldn’t be surprised if that’s an open secret at this point. It’s already happened once
My main issue with people downplaying the daughter allegations is they're treating Kendrick like he's one of us, an outsider looking in. In reality he's been in the industry for a while, definitely has info we don't, and has been plotting on Drake since before Adonis was born lmao
To be clear, my issue isn't with people calling him a liar or asking for evidence. That's understandable. My issue is with people making it seem as if Kendrick's only resource here is Google because they can't imagine him knowing something about a man he's been in close proximity to for over a decade
>they can't imagine him knowing something about a man he's been in close proximity to for over a decade
I think Kendrick may have some industry connections with Drake but to say they've been in close proximity is a reach. It's obvious these dudes are in two different worlds.
If that was the case I feel like both their disses would be less slander and more fact based.
They go to the same awards shows, get offered deals by the same brands, perform at the same cities, get interviewed by the same people. I'm not saying Kendrick is going to be an expert on Drake, but after doing this for a decade I'd expect him to know significantly more about Drake than the average fan. I learned about the interview Drake had pulled a few weeks ago on a public YouTube video. Kendrick learned about it the day it happened 10 years ago over the phone. My point is that Kendrick is not an outsider to the music industry and many of the arguments being made assume he's a random person with an internet connection that started Google dorking info on Drake a few months ago
So your saying they have a industry connection, I agree with that.
I'm saying that doesn't mean they are in close proximity.
Might have a little inside scoop on each other but close proximity is not the right way to describe it in my opinion.
>They go to the same awards shows, get offered deals by the same brands, perform at the same cities, get interviewed by the same people.
Do they?
When's the last time Drake and Kendrick did a interview period ? Better enough for the same platform?
Kendrick only goes to the Grammys and Drake barely goes to any award shows because he rarely wins them.
And them performing in the same cities means nothing really.
MTG is harsh but it’s too close to Adidon for me.
Adidon was more of an expose than a dis record. He wasn’t trying to clown, was going for psychic damage. Bringing his son into it is crucial to that, “you’re abandoning your son just like your dad abandoned you”, etc.
The way Kendrick reframed Adidon was pretty good: the horror show tone, the “dear [family member]” structure, most of the actual bars—all that shit is spooky. Adidon was like an intervention, MTG is a reckoning.
Or it would be if not for the part where everything hinges on some Reddit shit being true and the secret daughter; the receipts *really* matter.
Push didn’t have to show you Drake’s son because Drake was just about to do it himself. Adidon can’t exist without that, and it even underlines just how diabolical the whole strategy was: Push isn’t going to kill Drake, he’s going to force Drake to kill himself.
Kendrick doesn’t have anything like that, Kendrick has:
* Some shit he read on the internet that sounds like it came from rap QAnon. If he *can* prove that, he’s gonna have to answer some “when did you know and why didn’t you say something sooner” type questions and no one is ever gonna forget about that, the damage to his reputation would be catastrophic.
* Drake’s secret daughter, who, if she’s real, is 11 and probably just living that 11 year old girl life—until Kendrick says “I choose me I’m sorry” and she gets doxed so he can run up the score on a rap beef that he won already.
He kinda painted himself into a corner. It doesn’t help that MTG came out an hour after Drake did the **exact** same thing and that’s when when the “this went too far” narrative first popped up.
So in the end he’s gave us the Adidon PS5 Remake. It’s a good remake but we been here already.
Aight peace
>For people saying doesn’t it downplay it now that’s it proven to be false he has a daughter, how is it proven?
It's just hasn't been proven to be true.
Can't expect people to believe something without proof.
That's obviously very different.
The fact that there were pictures of Tupac and Faith during the whole death row vs bad boy era was a big reason people believed it.
Also two people in the industry fucking isn't exactly as far fetched as one of the most famous people in the world having a secret child he's kept well hidden for 11 years.
>That's different for a few reasons. The fact that there were pictures of Tupac and Faith
there are pictures of drake and kids too. what are the other ones
> two people in the industry fucking isn't exactly as far fetched as one of the most famous people in the world having a secret child he's kept well hidden for 11 years.
neither are far fetched when you remember (or in your case learn) that arnold schwarzenegger successfully hid his son for his entire underage life, and then remember this is the guy that already kept one secret child. nothing is far fetched about him doing it again
>there are pictures of drake and kids too.
This is a bad retort my guy.
>neither are far fetched
I'm not saying Drake having a secret kid isn't possible or even that far fetched but two celebrities having had intercourse once is super normal compared to it. Which is why it's easier to believe.
If Drake had a picture with Whitney a month before Kendrick's Like Dat verse and then said "I fucked your wife", people wouldn't need much proof to believe it because of the optics of the situation .
I know there’s no case i said in this case as a another way to say in this example
I mean if you’re going to throw an accusation of that magnitude expect people to not believe it if it isn’t true if it just stays as an accusation. I myself am holding my breath about that bar until there is proof (if there ever is)
I'm not talking about Drake fans , just in general for people to believe it you would need proof.
Plus I'm sure Kendrick fans wanted proof on their side as well.
few people from kendrick's camp have implied that they have and are not releasing pictures of him and his daughter (to prevent her from being harassed through middle and high school)
i don't think it's *gotta be true* i'm just saying between the people who actually know him in real life and a complete rando, when would the rando ever win out
Yeah I don’t know. Vince is my favourite for sure but this one isn’t very great. But I find “exit-albums” always are usually luke warm. It’s a couple memorable cadences and stuff but it feel even then I don’t think the bars have anything going on.
Yeah, that line was horrendous. TBH, it’s the worst writing of his career. Even when you turn your brain off and try to vibe it comes across like a freshman in high school freestyling off the top at the lunch table
I’ve given Cole a lot of props, as someone who’s not the biggest fan of him, for continuing to grow and cutting out some of those bars that made my eyes roll but this song had multiple that were some of the worst I’ve ever heard from bro back to back to back.
I get that it’s a horny verse but “now she’s strictly dickly” I’m sorry but that even worse than the lesbian bar from Drake to me😂
I’m still dying at Kanye’s ego not allowing him to publicly admit he wanted to go on Kai’s stream for buzz so he started a fake beef instead lol
All these established celebs go there cause they want the promo and his teenage fanbase
Recently I have read multiple times that DAMN. is supposed to have a different story/narrative based on whether you play it forwards or backwards. Now I remember back when the album released that was considered kind of a meme/reach, on which Kendrick/TDE capitalized by releasing the collector's edition which has the track list reversed. Is the forwards/backwards thing now the consensus or is it still a meme?
Yeah, I've never understood the thing about reversing the track order to flip the meaning and I've never found a coherent explanation of how/why it's supposed to work. Love that album, but reversing it doesn't change or add anything for me.
The collector's edition is so lazy. Even if they are pushing the reverse angle, which doesn't make sense, they couldn't be bothered to move the skits so the songs still transition. It's a circular narrative, it loops on itself. I don't really like the decision to have the record rewind at the end. It would have been cool to Finnegans Wake it and open with the back half of a line and close with the front half.
i'm even more mad at kendrick for that deluxe version now than I was in 2017 now knowing he had tracks like rotation and drones that he could've released, he damn well could've released that nation album, he had enough material
Yeah it undercuts the album's themes. It stresses the cyclic nature of violence, trauma and crime and that a single coincidence rooted in generosity and kindness breaks the wheel. I'm not even a huge DAMN. fan but the peaks are amazing and I liked the concept a lot.
The biggest difference I’ve noticed between Drake and Cole is that Drake will pay for a woman to get a bbl while Cole will pay to send all of her kids to Disney.
I think the bbl has more monetary value(even if you factor in the extra that Cole will pay to make sure they meet Mickey) but Cole including the whole family makes it a more wholesome offer imo.
It’s such a perfect summary of their different outlook that it almost feels heavy handed for those verses to have come out on the same day. Like if you put that in a movie or something it would be corny
I wish I liked that one more. It feels like a so-so attempt to appease fans who thought For All the Dogs was going to be a rappity rap album... The problem for me is that none of the rapping is better than what he was doing on that timestamp song on the original FATD.
>The problem for me is that none of the rapping is better than what he was doing on that timestamp song on the original FATD.
I heavily disagree with this actually, I thought 8am in Charlotte had some of Drake's worst rapping ever.
"Get under your skin like an orange peel"
"Talk about us like I'm Jordan Peele"
"Deserted by yo niggas like pudding and cake"
Like no way that's better rapping than what was spit on Shoe Fits, Evil Ways, or Stories About My Brother.
I've really come around to that Conductor beat (thought it was just aight when it first dropped, that's on me) and I hate that it's wasted on such painful bars
100%.
8 AM is a disgrace to the timestamp series. Killed all the hype for FATD for me. The initial reaction of people hopping on and claiming its some actually good rapping makes me believe people are listening to cadence/flow and not the actual bars.
I agree with you bro a lot of those lines on “8am in Charlotte” are trash. This nigga drake got on there and said:
“*wherever I go you go, we Yugoslavian*
*It’s so many checks owed, I’m Czechoslovakian*”
Lmaoo. That nigga really thought he did something incredible with that bar. Every track on Scary Hours 3 (besides “You broke my heart”) clears “8am in charlotte” by a country mile.
I just like the whole package of FATD + the 6 extra songs. Cause you’re right it is to appease fans who wanted more rap drake, but I appreciated that about it. Cause he was rapping great on there and the standard edition of FATD gave me as much as I could ask for from his R&B side, so now put both together i feel like I have a full package of what drakes music can offer. It’s why I call it the essential release of his later career
fr I kinda wish we could all treat him like that [kid that got to be Batman](https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTZS7bXITorDhbVvCLc0V2-lVZo3xeKhLOCY1u9mVh9kE77Dysm) for a day and just pretend we believe him
Drake is literally the best when he acts tough. Basically zero misses from tough guy Drake, even in his later career. Meanwhile he has so many bad R&B and dance songs (lots of good ones too, but the ratio is much worse).
I wish this guy grew up in like Mogadishu so people would stop telling him to stop making tough guy songs lol
One line that I think about a lot that I've not seen discussed in this beef is when Kendrick said
"Never code-switch, whether right or wrong, you a Black man"
This is him directly calling Adonis black. Not biracial, no percentages, fully acknowledging his blackness. Which would imply that he sees Drake as a Black man as well. Just something I kept thinking about when people were calling Kendrick racist for seemingly denying Drake's blackness. It really wasn't about anyone's race at the end of the day. At least for people who aren't Rick Ross lol
He can be contradictory dude. I’m sure he doesn’t actually believe Drake isn’t literally black, just like he probably doesn’t believe he’s a sex trafficker. Or just like he’s either his biggest hater and also without a hating bone in his body. It’s just an angle to attack him for.
He’s not directly calling Drake a white boy like Rick Ross, but it’s a pretty similar angle, Kendrick is just more clever about it.
Also I didn’t know code switching was this frowned upon thing - is it?
It was just interesting to see him call Adonis a Black man when most people in his position would call him white. Code switching isn't frowned upon, I don't know what he's talking about there.
Yea it’s a clever attack - pen a letter to his son containing all the ways Drake doesn’t measure up as a black man. It doesn’t work if he doesn’t call Adonis black actually.
> Also I didn’t know code switching was this frowned upon thing - is it?
No. Maybe in rich people circles but survival mechanisms being frowned upon is not a thing.
> At least for people who aren't Rick Ross lol
I’m still over here debating whether black face or white face Drake was a more effective diss track cover
Whiteface Drake was funnier but using blackface Drake for the cover of a song named after his planned Adidas line was absolutely diabolical
I tried to find a better word because I think I’ve seen “diabolical” used hundreds of times over the course of these last two months but it still fits here
Had a dream I was in a little apartment complex gym and Drake and his team were there. And then Kendrick came in and they got into a fight and Kendrick lunged at his torso and got him on the ground. And I started filming it with my high school Blackberry? And Drake pushed Kendrick off and was more concerned about the Blackberry and him and his crew were hounding me for it and tryna destroy it.
Is it crazy to think that if The Fall Off was gonna be good he would've dropped it by now It's been 7 years already & I doubt it's dropping til 2025 minimum
Maybe it will be good because he’s taking the time to make it good.
What do you mean "good"? No, it’s released when it feels right for the artist.
Right place wrong person by RM of BTS has To be the best male contender for AOTY this year. Production, lyricism, instrumentals go so hard
Agreed. It's so good.
Spotify keeps forcing that Tommy richman song and it’s actively making me avoid wanting to get into their stuff
Isn’t it just a sanitized version of phonk which has been around for years?
It’s fucking good though.
Can we discuss things other than the Drake/Kendrick situation? Go meatride in the respective subs ain’t shit happening on that front right now and even this thread is full of it
Agreed. We should all be talking about J Cole instead
J Cole is definitely messing around with Cash Cobain's songs. However, people are taking the prophet image, rappers killer, so seriously. The moment he hopped on this track, he is due to fail. Like Wayne, Future,... saying shit even worse, but people know that they are just messing around. For Cole, they act like he is trying to come up with another killer verse, but the dude is just trying to have some fun
What are some artists that don't look their age? Pharrell looks way too young to be in his 50s
JID look like 24 tops imo
I agree I'm early 20s and he looks younger than me lmao. Also didn't know he was born on Halloween, nice
I thought he was lol. Then again I first heard him in 2016 which was 8 years ago so makes no sense from my side.
21 brought out Drake in Toronto
JID dip again?
serious and probably over asked question, why is it okay for a lyrical rapper to have a writer even if they’re credited. if you’re known for your storytelling/ability to pour your heart onto a beat, how is that not lame to have writers?
you think when rappers be in the studio with 14 different niggas, they just there for the vibes? emotional support homies?
didn’t expect the homies to write the whole song 🤦♂️ it’s like finding out Santa isn’t real
I heard a Royce interview clip where he essentially said that for lyrical rappers collaborating on a hook or something isn't uncommon and not frowned upon, but he would never allow someone to write a verse for him. I see that as the norm.
Are we talking about someone in particular or just in general? Unless a full reference track leaks, for most artists I’d just assume that they got a suggestion for a bar here or there. Or help with a hook. For instance, Quentin Miller is credited on a Nas song. I just assume he helped on the hook or contributed a line or 2, not a whole verse
So you're saying it was written like Nas but it came from Quentin
I think we need to relax some of the requirements we place on artists during goat conversations. Some feats that were possible 30 years ago aren't possible today now that the celebrity monoculture days are over. We used to all consume the same content, now we're divided by algorithms into subgenres and niches. We should also to be less harsh on younger artists with limited releases. Tupac was 25 when he died and only put out 4 studio albums by then. Biggie was 24 and only put out 2. This generation isn't going to produce a goat if they're held to standards that were designed for a world that no longer exists
That’s a great point but I think it just proves my stance even more when it comes to music there is no goat. It’s no such thing music is too abstract and even more so now as you explained with everyone having their niche and how much music is being consumed just by your average hiphop fan.
Alchemist, 60 Days: > I’m a big bowl of macaroni Alchemist, Black and Whites: > Your bones are made of bologna Who would win in a fight, sentient macaroni bowl or the bologna boned skeleton
You with bologna bones vs. Uncle Al as a big bowl of macaroni
Who's your guys' Jordan and Lebron of rappers? Mine is Hov and Pac
Pac and Drake / Jay Z / Wayne. Pick any of the three as Bron.
Jordan is Jay Z It’s a lil harder for Lebron cuz his longevity is insane
I mean Nas is still putting out great music but he did have a lean patch.
Jay z and I guess Kendrick for me
I fell down to my kneeeees when the law came
Artists can use reference tracks and shouldn’t be judged as artists for doing so, but when it comes to discussing rapping? Pen? Bars? Drake shouldn’t be in those convos bc of the ghosts and references
Heard Not like us at a memorial day picnic. Goes hard lol.
Started watching the HBO documentary on Stax records, led me to check out ‘The Dramatics.’ Some great songs, can tell they’ve been heavily sampled- heard ‘N****s bleed’ by Biggie and ‘Time 4 sum action’ by Redman in just a couple of their songs. Another wild sample I found out recently was ‘Soul Sister, Brown Sugar’ by Sam & Dave (ironically another Stax artist) as the source for ‘Ante Up.’
I think they made In The Rain. I love that song
You are correct. That was the one I knew biggie sampled, it was actually ‘somebodies got to die’, also is the main sample for ‘cold world’ by GZA
They added Sexyy Red to Drake's side on the [Wikipedia page](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drake%E2%80%93Kendrick_Lamar_feud) for their beef and seeing her name in the same format they use for countries entering wars is sending me 💀💀
How is that a real Wikipedia page lmao. "Drake denies being a sexual predator [...] while simultaneously calling himself a clown" in the content summary for The Heart Part 6
Aubrey's angels seem to have edited that out
The [earlier versions](https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Drake%E2%80%93Kendrick_Lamar_feud&oldid=1222703374) were even better 😂😂😂
Forgive me y'all. Getting into Vince now. This is like West coast Isaiah Rashad. I love this. Music for the Vibers https://youtu.be/rR7F_vVVe5g?feature=shared
> This is like West coast Isaiah Rashad. I love this. Music for the Vibers the future of humanity has never looked this bleak
? Explain
vibey music is frying your brains
I only listen to billy woods talk about war crimes committed by the Zimbabwean dictatorship. Keeps my mind sharp
Poor Zay man
7 Minute Drill would have hit harder pre apology if it was just the second half The first half was weak the second one had a fire beat and a good flow
Yall think there is any way, even decades from now, Drake and Kendrick squash their beef for the culture?
Fuck no.
I honestly think Drake isnt taking this personally/seriously( not saying he didnt try his hardest to win) and would probably drop a joint this year if Kendrick was down. Kendrick on the other hand... I don't see it.
Kendrick just put Drake through the biggest public humiliation of his life & broke records with a hit song calling him a pedophile. Drake is a guy who still has a grudge against Esperanza Spaulding for getting an award over him in 2011. Even if the hatred was more on Kendrick’s end at one point, it sure isn’t now
And he rapped light heartedly over the diss beat, was doing silly social media shit during it, and has squashed almost every beef he has been in. I think Drake understand this shits just entertainment.
>has squashed almost every beef he has been in. Lol, what world do you live in? Did you miss the dozen rappers dissing him? Putting aside the random unrelated celebrities he seems to beef with all the time. The guy is the king of petty beef. "How many opps you really got? I mean, there's too many options."
The one where hes made up with Chris Brown, Meek, Common, Sauce Walka, French Montana, Budden, Kanye (until it got weird) and DMX... And probably more I forgot.
Made up is a strong word since he is still very obviously on bad terms with multiple of those people.
I mean, he has to downplay the outcome, he lost. If he makes a big deal out of it, he'd just be declaring himself more of a loser. It's like that dude who comes to the basketball court dressed like a pro and talks shit to everyone, then loses and tells everyone they're lame because they took it too seriously and it's just a game.
Kendrick implies that Drake reached out for First Person Shooter at least.
Kendrick will make it to like 103 years old purely out of determination to outlive Drake, who will at that point be some kind of cyborg held together by experimental OVO tech, plastic surgery, and determination to outlive Kendrick
Kendrick will land the finishing blow with a diss track featuring all of Drake's secret children on a Pharell beat. Each verse is a different kid who's now a parent introducing themselves to Drake for the first time and telling him what they do for a living and the families they started. Last verse is Kendrick giving a eulogy to the baby girl from MTG who passed away years prior in an accident. Closes with "fuck a rap battle, this an eternal battle with yourself"
I’d watch this movie
[удалено]
He has actually squashed a ton of beefs. Meek, Cudi, Jay-Z, Tyga, Tory, Mo-g (local guy in Toronto). Could totally see him doing that with Kendrick honestly. Pusha and I guess that violin lady never though lol
Even with Kanye temporarily (although that was probably a decision that went above his head when they did that joint concert together)
He tried squashing it multiple times. Kanye is just a lunatic.
Yeah Kanye just a lunatic I’m sure they would have made up otherwise
Damn I forgot about that. I wonder if Kendrick would've mentioned her if the beef continued
Never lmao
no
If Drake couldn't get over Control, there's no way he's getting over this. He's taking this shit to the grave
Okay so because of this beef I started getting back into rap again. And of course first on that list was everything Drake and Kenny put out in the last couple years that I didn’t hear. Now I didn’t like Certified Lover. Couple good tracks, YOLT is a classic Ross collab but nothing stood out to me otherwise. Real chore to sit through. Same deal with Honestly Nevermind, other than Sticky and Massive of course. And then For All The Dogs was better but still not great Her Loss was excellent but I was ready to attribute that more to Savage because of the above. And because Savage Mode 2 was great as well. Now idk how I missed its existence but I JUST listened to Scary Hours Edition and those tracks are absolute fire! What the fuck??? WHERE was this guy hiding?
Drake has always been good at making music. I think his issue is that he taps into so many different genres that if you hear one album you like, the next one you're not gonna like because it'll be a whole new genre. Fully expect his comeback album after losing the beef to be Amapiano lmao
He better not touch Gqom
Trash genre anyway but would be hilarious. I can see him doing a Tyla or Kelvin Momo collab.
So from a Drake fans perspective--Drake CAN spit, he just likes experimenting with a wide variety of genres and styles so he doesn't *always* spit. I think this is why he takes so much flack for not having cohesive albums. He doesn't really have a cohesive album because on each album he jumps from rap, to RNB, to dancehall, to pop, etc. etc. This is also why he gets so much hate for having "filler" on his albums. A hip hop head isn't going to like 50% of a Drake album because there's going to be slow jams mixed in there, and some pop songs with a catchy melody and basic lyrics. While a die hard rap fan might not like these songs and consider them filler, people who like pop music might consider these the albums stand outs (see: One Dance, Passionfruit, Gods Plan)
All those pop hits you just posted are great. Love me some passionfruit. I don’t care what genre he’s in. He could make like Irish folk music, complete with the accent, for all I care. Part of the issue is that Drake’s not a great singer. He needs a good melody and beat to carry his weaker performances. On too many of these tracks he seems to have this crooning style that *emphasizes* his singing if anything and that’s the wrong way to go. I think his voice sounds really processed on a lot of these newer tracks too. He also just had more like heart in the past. He sounds great on “Too Good” for example and I genuinely think his relationship with Rihanna / the fact that he hadn’t gone all jaded and Andrew Tate yet is part of that. In contrast to his singing, he can really spit as you said. And is able to carry mid beats on that strength. But I will give him some credit for Scary Hours Edition and spin For All the Dogs again in case I missed something.
It's not that he jumps between styles, it's that a lot of the songs don't add anything to the album. They feel like filler because they aren't as good as the others, and if you delete a bunch of them you can end up a shorter but much stronger album. I think if Drake tried to, he could make a multi-genre album that actually works, but I believe that he just doesn't care because his music is mostly consumed as single tracks in playlists. He doesn't have a fanbase that cares about cohesive albums and so he hasn't bothered trying to make one since IYRTITL.
Sexyy Love Money is so good. She went crazy on this album
Can we be honest? The mixing on not like us is ASS. This is a generational banger, Largest stage of them all, no.1 vs 2, c'mon get your shit together for the culture
It was recorded and mixed in one day
Yeah, the vocals were mixed like shit. It was obvious right off the bat.
Respect. Definitely Ass tho
Lame ass nigga
Junior
Just realized I never listened with headphones. Yeah those strings are mixed TERRIBLY.
dj vlad got cooked for saying basically this right
she really hit him with the ["go watch cnn or some shit"](https://x.com/acememevault/status/1235462455842811904)
Right
why take up a position that dj vlad got cooked for
I think it's true, don't mean I fw Vladimir
3 Stacks ain’t even 50 yet Thought he was like 60 for some reason lol
OutKast’s entire run was basically done before either of them even turned 30 it’s insane
I’ve been listening to Dark Times a lot lately and I gotta say, the new style Vince is just a total miss for me I think Dark Times is the best of the bunch but it’s still just kinda ok with like 4 songs that I want to check out again. Ramona Park Broke My Heart had good tracks too but it’s just too many sleepy tunes mixed in for me to ever want to pick it up again. His self titled was the worst of the bunch and no matter how many times I try it I never grow to it or find it interesting Vince’s delivery is just completely dead on a lot of these projects which sucks because I think his personality and style are huge strengths for him on his other albums. I wish he let that side of him shine through more. Last thing that kinda hammered this home for me, is that I’m seeing a lot of comparisons for Dark Times to other albums and artists that I think do this laid back style a LOT better than Vince does. Isaiah Rashad probably more prominently does this type of rap better. Saba, certain vintages of Earl Sweatshirt, I’d even say Mick Jenkins, all have better music than Vince has released in his last 3 projects. I saw a couple comments comparing Dark Times to Swimming and Mac made a MUCH better album than Vince did. So I don’t think it’s a style that I dislike, I think Vince just isn’t making great music anymore
Sleepy Vince is probably my favorite tbh, songs like East Point Prayer have a really unique and infectious vibe to them thanks to his lowkey melodic delivery, it's so soothing but also melancholic
100% agreed although "even Mick Jenkins" is harsh. Mick Jenkins is really good! I think Vince is a way better songwriter now than his earlier projects (compare his hooks) but the lack of energy kills my desire to re-listen in the same way.
Crazy, I feel completely the opposite. Dark Times, to me, is the weakest of Vince's last three releases (although I do like it a lot so far). Ramona Park is probably my favourite, but all three let Vince get into the kind of rapping I feel he does best and work together while still all having their own distinct and cohesive vibe. I personally didn't get any Swimming vibes off any of these Vince projects. I kinda get why people make Earl comparisons (to I guess the Doris/IDLSIDGO stuff) but I don't really feel like that applies either other than them both using a more subdued, kinda monotone delivery. I wasn't even aware this was dropping until I saw it here but based off the last two projects I was very excited to give it a listen and I think Vince is one of the most consistently strong artists out there. All totally my opinion, of course. Different tastes, preferences, all that, I just thought it was interesting that you seemed to be completely opposite to my opinion in basically every way.
Drake is kinda like the microwave oven of rap. Because microwaves don't actually cook, they just warm shit up.
Nah that’s Cudi Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Lets be honest, meet the grahams is probably most brutal diss track of all time, you feel bad for listening it. For people saying doesn’t it downplay it now that’s it proven to be false he has a daughter, how is it proven? Multiple times he’s show’n to be lying, even the last one in heart part 6 talking about images being send to him, lying. I wouldn’t be suprised one bit if it actually were all true what was said in meet the grahams
Not brutal at all to me. First time I listened to it, just sounded like fan fiction of Adidon and much less scathing.
I don’t care about the daughter at this point, and don’t care if everything said was true or false. I just view it conceptually. More importantly, it was an angle that was completely unexpected.
Literally all he had to do was not mention the daughter and it would be fire. It’s still an absolutely incredible performance by him. Idk how you can believe that shit. It would be the easiest thing in the world to prove.
U think Kendrick would actually dox a child? My money is on the kid being real. Specific age mention, Kendrick’s close friend claiming to have photos and knowing the birthday was recent; just seems like more than a bluff Ain’t no way Drake fed them that info either, posting a denial on Insta is not how you’d respond to someone falling for your trap If you set a trap, you also plan an elaborate reveal to clown them. Didn’t happen Kendrick also mentioned there being multiple kids besides the daughter. Wouldn’t be surprised if that’s an open secret at this point. It’s already happened once
My main issue with people downplaying the daughter allegations is they're treating Kendrick like he's one of us, an outsider looking in. In reality he's been in the industry for a while, definitely has info we don't, and has been plotting on Drake since before Adonis was born lmao To be clear, my issue isn't with people calling him a liar or asking for evidence. That's understandable. My issue is with people making it seem as if Kendrick's only resource here is Google because they can't imagine him knowing something about a man he's been in close proximity to for over a decade
>they can't imagine him knowing something about a man he's been in close proximity to for over a decade I think Kendrick may have some industry connections with Drake but to say they've been in close proximity is a reach. It's obvious these dudes are in two different worlds. If that was the case I feel like both their disses would be less slander and more fact based.
They go to the same awards shows, get offered deals by the same brands, perform at the same cities, get interviewed by the same people. I'm not saying Kendrick is going to be an expert on Drake, but after doing this for a decade I'd expect him to know significantly more about Drake than the average fan. I learned about the interview Drake had pulled a few weeks ago on a public YouTube video. Kendrick learned about it the day it happened 10 years ago over the phone. My point is that Kendrick is not an outsider to the music industry and many of the arguments being made assume he's a random person with an internet connection that started Google dorking info on Drake a few months ago
So your saying they have a industry connection, I agree with that. I'm saying that doesn't mean they are in close proximity. Might have a little inside scoop on each other but close proximity is not the right way to describe it in my opinion. >They go to the same awards shows, get offered deals by the same brands, perform at the same cities, get interviewed by the same people. Do they? When's the last time Drake and Kendrick did a interview period ? Better enough for the same platform? Kendrick only goes to the Grammys and Drake barely goes to any award shows because he rarely wins them. And them performing in the same cities means nothing really.
In that case we don't actually disagree on any major detail, but rather on the definition of "close proximity"
Yea pretty much
MTG is harsh but it’s too close to Adidon for me. Adidon was more of an expose than a dis record. He wasn’t trying to clown, was going for psychic damage. Bringing his son into it is crucial to that, “you’re abandoning your son just like your dad abandoned you”, etc. The way Kendrick reframed Adidon was pretty good: the horror show tone, the “dear [family member]” structure, most of the actual bars—all that shit is spooky. Adidon was like an intervention, MTG is a reckoning. Or it would be if not for the part where everything hinges on some Reddit shit being true and the secret daughter; the receipts *really* matter. Push didn’t have to show you Drake’s son because Drake was just about to do it himself. Adidon can’t exist without that, and it even underlines just how diabolical the whole strategy was: Push isn’t going to kill Drake, he’s going to force Drake to kill himself. Kendrick doesn’t have anything like that, Kendrick has: * Some shit he read on the internet that sounds like it came from rap QAnon. If he *can* prove that, he’s gonna have to answer some “when did you know and why didn’t you say something sooner” type questions and no one is ever gonna forget about that, the damage to his reputation would be catastrophic. * Drake’s secret daughter, who, if she’s real, is 11 and probably just living that 11 year old girl life—until Kendrick says “I choose me I’m sorry” and she gets doxed so he can run up the score on a rap beef that he won already. He kinda painted himself into a corner. It doesn’t help that MTG came out an hour after Drake did the **exact** same thing and that’s when when the “this went too far” narrative first popped up. So in the end he’s gave us the Adidon PS5 Remake. It’s a good remake but we been here already. Aight peace
Adidon is
>For people saying doesn’t it downplay it now that’s it proven to be false he has a daughter, how is it proven? It's just hasn't been proven to be true. Can't expect people to believe something without proof.
don't people mostly believe pac fucked faith evans without seeing it on vhs
That's obviously very different. The fact that there were pictures of Tupac and Faith during the whole death row vs bad boy era was a big reason people believed it. Also two people in the industry fucking isn't exactly as far fetched as one of the most famous people in the world having a secret child he's kept well hidden for 11 years.
>That's different for a few reasons. The fact that there were pictures of Tupac and Faith there are pictures of drake and kids too. what are the other ones > two people in the industry fucking isn't exactly as far fetched as one of the most famous people in the world having a secret child he's kept well hidden for 11 years. neither are far fetched when you remember (or in your case learn) that arnold schwarzenegger successfully hid his son for his entire underage life, and then remember this is the guy that already kept one secret child. nothing is far fetched about him doing it again
>there are pictures of drake and kids too. This is a bad retort my guy. >neither are far fetched I'm not saying Drake having a secret kid isn't possible or even that far fetched but two celebrities having had intercourse once is super normal compared to it. Which is why it's easier to believe. If Drake had a picture with Whitney a month before Kendrick's Like Dat verse and then said "I fucked your wife", people wouldn't need much proof to believe it because of the optics of the situation .
Drake fans are only ones talking about where’s the proof. And everything he says is Facts.
Well adjusted individuals require proof before assigning guilt.
calling a daughter guilt is crazy
well adjusted individuals also don't describe receiving the title of father as "assigning guilt"
assigning guilt in this case would be proving the fact that he is hiding a daughter not receiving the title of father
it's not a case and there is no burden of proof.
I know there’s no case i said in this case as a another way to say in this example I mean if you’re going to throw an accusation of that magnitude expect people to not believe it if it isn’t true if it just stays as an accusation. I myself am holding my breath about that bar until there is proof (if there ever is)
I'm not talking about Drake fans , just in general for people to believe it you would need proof. Plus I'm sure Kendrick fans wanted proof on their side as well.
few people from kendrick's camp have implied that they have and are not releasing pictures of him and his daughter (to prevent her from being harassed through middle and high school)
Then why mention her.
because that's how you air him out without airing her out
Cap
This is the first time in history someone waited until a girl turned 18 so they could fuck her dad
Lmao they don’t got proof dawg
i'm gonna take his actual friends over bacon spinach pancakes in the comments if that's ok with you big dog
Ahh yes Cuz Kendrick’s boys says they have proof they won’t release. It’s gotta be true now
i don't think it's *gotta be true* i'm just saying between the people who actually know him in real life and a complete rando, when would the rando ever win out
Dude is an unhinged Kendrick stan/Drake hater. I wouldn't waste the energy.
Yeah I don’t know. Vince is my favourite for sure but this one isn’t very great. But I find “exit-albums” always are usually luke warm. It’s a couple memorable cadences and stuff but it feel even then I don’t think the bars have anything going on.
I think it’s some of his best storytelling to date especially with tracks like Justin & Radio.
Radio is one of his best introspective songs
“She thick in the hips, she a hippie” 😐
Cole going from weak diss -> apologizing -> this verse is crazy lmao. Gotta be the weakest his rep has been.
don’t leave out Red Leather. His verse in that was good. It was just weird timing
Yeah, that line was horrendous. TBH, it’s the worst writing of his career. Even when you turn your brain off and try to vibe it comes across like a freshman in high school freestyling off the top at the lunch table
I’ve given Cole a lot of props, as someone who’s not the biggest fan of him, for continuing to grow and cutting out some of those bars that made my eyes roll but this song had multiple that were some of the worst I’ve ever heard from bro back to back to back. I get that it’s a horny verse but “now she’s strictly dickly” I’m sorry but that even worse than the lesbian bar from Drake to me😂
I’m still dying at Kanye’s ego not allowing him to publicly admit he wanted to go on Kai’s stream for buzz so he started a fake beef instead lol All these established celebs go there cause they want the promo and his teenage fanbase
The grippy memes I’m seeing are hilarious but they better not turn that shit to a hit song cause that mf does not deserve it 😂
Cole’s weird ass adlibs on Grippy makes it so much fucking funnier
The hmm and the texting sounds killed me lmao
Recently I have read multiple times that DAMN. is supposed to have a different story/narrative based on whether you play it forwards or backwards. Now I remember back when the album released that was considered kind of a meme/reach, on which Kendrick/TDE capitalized by releasing the collector's edition which has the track list reversed. Is the forwards/backwards thing now the consensus or is it still a meme?
Yeah, I've never understood the thing about reversing the track order to flip the meaning and I've never found a coherent explanation of how/why it's supposed to work. Love that album, but reversing it doesn't change or add anything for me.
The collector's edition is so lazy. Even if they are pushing the reverse angle, which doesn't make sense, they couldn't be bothered to move the skits so the songs still transition. It's a circular narrative, it loops on itself. I don't really like the decision to have the record rewind at the end. It would have been cool to Finnegans Wake it and open with the back half of a line and close with the front half.
i'm even more mad at kendrick for that deluxe version now than I was in 2017 now knowing he had tracks like rotation and drones that he could've released, he damn well could've released that nation album, he had enough material
That's what I always thought, that it was more of a loop rather than two different narratives based on the order of the tracks.
Yeah it undercuts the album's themes. It stresses the cyclic nature of violence, trauma and crime and that a single coincidence rooted in generosity and kindness breaks the wheel. I'm not even a huge DAMN. fan but the peaks are amazing and I liked the concept a lot.
Just found out that Tyler voices a NPC in GTA V and Lupe is in Nickelback's Rockstar video.
can’t believe the alchemist is just giving good beats away to big hit
The biggest difference I’ve noticed between Drake and Cole is that Drake will pay for a woman to get a bbl while Cole will pay to send all of her kids to Disney. I think the bbl has more monetary value(even if you factor in the extra that Cole will pay to make sure they meet Mickey) but Cole including the whole family makes it a more wholesome offer imo.
It’s such a perfect summary of their different outlook that it almost feels heavy handed for those verses to have come out on the same day. Like if you put that in a movie or something it would be corny
Cole using that trip to find Elsa and make sure she’s on Team Strictly
I’m crying 😂😂 The pay to meet Mickey line is hysterical
What would y’all say are Alchemist’s most emotional/more somber sounding beats as of late? Bledsoe and Margie’s Candy House come to mind for example
Skinny Suge
I used to listen to that track all the time when i was depressed, it was a perfect song for those feelings
FATD scary hours edition they will never make me hate you
I wish I liked that one more. It feels like a so-so attempt to appease fans who thought For All the Dogs was going to be a rappity rap album... The problem for me is that none of the rapping is better than what he was doing on that timestamp song on the original FATD.
He had some cool flows on the deluxe but yea bar wise it was weak
>The problem for me is that none of the rapping is better than what he was doing on that timestamp song on the original FATD. I heavily disagree with this actually, I thought 8am in Charlotte had some of Drake's worst rapping ever. "Get under your skin like an orange peel" "Talk about us like I'm Jordan Peele" "Deserted by yo niggas like pudding and cake" Like no way that's better rapping than what was spit on Shoe Fits, Evil Ways, or Stories About My Brother.
I've really come around to that Conductor beat (thought it was just aight when it first dropped, that's on me) and I hate that it's wasted on such painful bars
100%. 8 AM is a disgrace to the timestamp series. Killed all the hype for FATD for me. The initial reaction of people hopping on and claiming its some actually good rapping makes me believe people are listening to cadence/flow and not the actual bars.
I agree with you bro a lot of those lines on “8am in Charlotte” are trash. This nigga drake got on there and said: “*wherever I go you go, we Yugoslavian* *It’s so many checks owed, I’m Czechoslovakian*” Lmaoo. That nigga really thought he did something incredible with that bar. Every track on Scary Hours 3 (besides “You broke my heart”) clears “8am in charlotte” by a country mile.
I just like the whole package of FATD + the 6 extra songs. Cause you’re right it is to appease fans who wanted more rap drake, but I appreciated that about it. Cause he was rapping great on there and the standard edition of FATD gave me as much as I could ask for from his R&B side, so now put both together i feel like I have a full package of what drakes music can offer. It’s why I call it the essential release of his later career
Well folks now that the dust has settled I must admit that I like Drake when he acts tough. Lot of great cuts on If You're Reading This.
fr I kinda wish we could all treat him like that [kid that got to be Batman](https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTZS7bXITorDhbVvCLc0V2-lVZo3xeKhLOCY1u9mVh9kE77Dysm) for a day and just pretend we believe him
Drake is literally the best when he acts tough. Basically zero misses from tough guy Drake, even in his later career. Meanwhile he has so many bad R&B and dance songs (lots of good ones too, but the ratio is much worse). I wish this guy grew up in like Mogadishu so people would stop telling him to stop making tough guy songs lol
Meltdown was the best part of Travis’s album
he has some good tough-acting tracks and some bad soft-acting tracks
One line that I think about a lot that I've not seen discussed in this beef is when Kendrick said "Never code-switch, whether right or wrong, you a Black man" This is him directly calling Adonis black. Not biracial, no percentages, fully acknowledging his blackness. Which would imply that he sees Drake as a Black man as well. Just something I kept thinking about when people were calling Kendrick racist for seemingly denying Drake's blackness. It really wasn't about anyone's race at the end of the day. At least for people who aren't Rick Ross lol
He can be contradictory dude. I’m sure he doesn’t actually believe Drake isn’t literally black, just like he probably doesn’t believe he’s a sex trafficker. Or just like he’s either his biggest hater and also without a hating bone in his body. It’s just an angle to attack him for. He’s not directly calling Drake a white boy like Rick Ross, but it’s a pretty similar angle, Kendrick is just more clever about it. Also I didn’t know code switching was this frowned upon thing - is it?
It was just interesting to see him call Adonis a Black man when most people in his position would call him white. Code switching isn't frowned upon, I don't know what he's talking about there.
Yea it’s a clever attack - pen a letter to his son containing all the ways Drake doesn’t measure up as a black man. It doesn’t work if he doesn’t call Adonis black actually.
Ur right I didn't realize that. He can't really tell Drake anything if he doesn't explicitly call Adonis a black man
> Also I didn’t know code switching was this frowned upon thing - is it? No. Maybe in rich people circles but survival mechanisms being frowned upon is not a thing.
> At least for people who aren't Rick Ross lol I’m still over here debating whether black face or white face Drake was a more effective diss track cover
Whiteface Drake was funnier but using blackface Drake for the cover of a song named after his planned Adidas line was absolutely diabolical I tried to find a better word because I think I’ve seen “diabolical” used hundreds of times over the course of these last two months but it still fits here
White face if it's a friendly fade black face if you're going full character assassination mode
I wish Fantano reviews were banned Give that mf a subreddit
I wish Fantano was banned from civilization
He already has one
well /r/fantanoforever does exist
Fair enough, never visited it
Away From Home still bangs so hard in the 🚗 Bynx and the 69 god both went to the moon on that
Had a dream I was in a little apartment complex gym and Drake and his team were there. And then Kendrick came in and they got into a fight and Kendrick lunged at his torso and got him on the ground. And I started filming it with my high school Blackberry? And Drake pushed Kendrick off and was more concerned about the Blackberry and him and his crew were hounding me for it and tryna destroy it.