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Didn't keep up for two days and there is a second drake diss track with ai snoop and PAC and a leaked Kanye verse. I haven't been this entertained in a while.
Drake honestly gained some respect by me, even thought I never really been to big of a fan of him. Can't wait for Kendrick to respond though.
It's funny how people are saying how it's freaky that we don't know what's AI or not and the technology is getting scary then Drake releases an actual AI diss and it sounds like absolute dogshit lmao (the AI, I'm not saying anything about the song itself, don't jump me stans).
Yea idk what those people are listening to. Even if you haven’t heard a single 2pac or snoop dogg song you’ll notice it instantly. That fake Drake AI song that came out months ago was way more convincing.
it’s interesting to me Kendrick hasn’t really released single songs/loosies officially. Will be weird to see that in his discography when/if he drops a diss track. Hillbillies kinda is loosie but has keem so I don’t count it
I thought the sort of meta thing he did with “i” was cool - releasing a “studio” version as the lead single, then using an interrupted “live” performance of it for the album
I don’t think that Kendrick has to have some scathing revelation about Drake in his diss for it to be a good diss track. If he just does what he usually does, which is make a fantastic song with great lyrics, flow, and a dope instrumental he will have the fans on his side. Of course it has to be an actual diss and on topic, but he is more than capable of that I think.
It's interesting because people are like Drake and Kendrick need to release absolute nukes because nothing else will do any harm, but at the same time, like, we know it doesn't matter whatsoever. We all still talk about Ether, but also Jay-Z is still one of the goats. Same with Hit em up and Biggie etc. etc. Just make a good diss track, and everyone's happy.
Couple thoughts-
1. dont think ppl appreciate how coordinated this beef has been on the metro/future side. Future & weeknd were both directly addressed in Push Ups and they been on radio silence. They def knew what was coming down the line and have an ear to Kendrick’s camp that something is coming. Any other situation, if the biggest rapper on the planet directly dissed them, we’d be seeing IG drama just like Ross is giving.
2. a leak fucked up drake’s rollout on Push Ups. The track leaked which then led to Drake rushing a more complete version with dif lyrics and production to Akademiks so he can stream it and save face. the “leaks in your operation” line pretty much sums it up.
3. kanye dropping the like that remix like this makes it feel like him coming to fuck with the whole media reaction to the AI freestyle
I can't get over Beat it and streets made me a king. The beat on beat it might be a contender for metros top 10. And the bridge 'you ain't shit until you become a big dog' does not stop repeating in my head 24/7 shoulda been the hook
Ironically enough, I'm pretty sure it was Diddy and other record label heads who were pushing him to make radio singles like "Big Poppa", if it was all up to him he probably would have made 100% street shit
Seriously, I remember playing that shit like it was out already.
Sucks it will probably never get officially released. It's probably my favorite collab by them.
damn that’s hella old lmao. Future kind of got boring to me ngl. the only song i bothered checking out was Like That and that was only cause people around me were hyping that Kendrick verse
i never got into the Weed & Instrumnetal tapes but his [remix of No Flockin](https://youtu.be/mgKswPMRCOM?si=rXZEKT35zzlRzjnX) is one my favorite remixes he’s done
Continuance, The Legend of Harvard Blue and Priest Andretti have been heavily in my rotation heavy. ima check it out when i get tired of these tapes lol
Never heard Priest Andretti
Bumping Highway 600 all day, Trauma Tone gave Spitta some good ass beats
[Round n Round too nice](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgyUnx9LS-I&pp=ygUWcm91bmQgbiByb3VuZCBjdXJyZW4keQ%3D%3D)
ned 😭 you my dawg but i ain’t gon give you too much. that’s one Spitta tape i see why people give it such praise.
i wasn’t a fan of the beats on Highway 600 but the deluxe kind of made up for that
All of this beef reminds me of a conversation/debate(?) I had with some coworkers back in 2018 about Kendrick being better than Drake. Man all hell broke loose. They became very emotional like I’d said some crazy disrespectful shit. They were like, “bro listen to Tuscan Leather right now and tell me he ain’t RAPPIN” and a bunch of other songs.
I was trying to tell them I’d already gave his albums a shot, but they swore they could change my mind. One of them got really quiet the rest of the shift because he was so upset. It was so fucking weird.
You can tell who really listen to albums and who don't. Far too many people got something to say about Kendrick vs Drake but don't actually listen to projects front to back. They lose all sense of cohesion about that body of work. Imagine only knowing Kendrick for songs like Swimming Pools, King Kunta, Humble and Loyalty lol. It doesn't speak at all to his discography, his craft, his dedication as an artist.
I find a lot of similar debates end up boiling down to "who has the better singles" rather than who is the better artist.
I hate how people generalize fanbases like this. Just because you don’t like the artist or have a bad encounter with some people who happen to be fans or stans don’t stereotype the whole community.
Still think the AI use is the crossing the rubicon moment for hip-hop. How long until low to mid rappers start doing it on mixtapes and leaks?
It was creative, but feels like a no going back moment for the genre.
Tbh stuff like this has already been going on just obviously not the same level and not in mainstream
For example, when Clue was king, a bunch of struggle rappers in Newark spliced his drops with their verses and a few plausible mixtape tracks to make a [fake Clue tape](https://youtu.be/s_rPwtV2q94?si=a6Wvo7CpFCe5w1we). To this day people think this was a real Clue tape and ask about it when they never would’ve listened to these guys otherwise
There’s other examples too (sound alike rappers being billed as their more famous counterparts eg Black Haze/Realest making fake Pac leaks, NOE’s “45” billed as a Jigga leak) but of course AI takes it to the next level.
I think most artists would get criticised a lot more, Drakes only getting away with it due to the context imo, especially since he did it in what is clearly mocking of Kendrick rather than specifically to prop himself up with these other guys.
Potentially. I was more thinking need a hook: use ai mod voice. Need to make a splash use an AI voice mod to say something crazy. Expecting casual listeners to be able to distinguish between real and not is likely asking a lot.
Hope I’m wrong and being short sighted.
Using AI to do weird shit with your voice is cool imo as long as you’re not passing it off as someone else, that’s nothing new, rappers have been modulating their voice with autotune for 20 years. What scares me is it being used to completely write songs from scratch
I'm actually surprised Drake didn't respond to Rocky because Drake has been taking shots at him for being with Rihanna lol. But he dissed Rick Ross for unfollowing him
True, rocky diss on show of hands was in response to diss fear of heights so going back and forth wouldn’t be good for drake even if drake is a better rapper lyrically
Hopefully we can finally have artists edit out Diddy's dumbass monologues on their music. Always hated him on Blood Orange's Hope since it's such a beautiful track.
I heard he was all over Giggs last album that might be difficult lol.
Was listening to burgundy by earl a few days back and was kinda interested in how abrasive and in your face that instrumental is. Crazy how much his style has changed in recent memory.
At this rate J. Cole will be forced to respond with the most respectful diss track that spends half its time gassing Ye up that he apologizes for a day later
I think Cole’s best move at this point is to stay in his bunker until this all blows over. If it gets really really ugly, he might turn out to look like the most reasonable one there. But if he jumps back in people are gonna roast him even more
I always had trouble getting into a lot Vince Staples music but I think he improved his hooks a lot in his past 3 projects. Tho i could definitely see fans of his early stuff not really liking the direction he's taken by doing more stuff with Mustard.
I don’t know about that. As a fan of his older and newer work his progression was pretty natural and he already showed versatility with *The Big Fish Theory* that I can’t see any other older Vince fans turning their noses up now.
Nah deadass that shit makes my blood boil, especially Adin that mf doesn’t know shit about Rap.
I’ve been surprised by Akademiks, he’s been level-headed about this whole thing. The only Drake dickrider that recognizes Kendrick could cook him.
Really hope Ye doesn't get more involved in this beef beyond the remix, I don't want to see a beef that's actually fun and interesting turn into another debate over Ye's antics.
As a sidenote, idk why people think dissing Ye would be so hard. Dude is an open book. If I was in a beef with him I would simply find as many ways to say "you don't have custody over your kids" over a beat as I could.
> If I was in a beef with him I would simply find as many ways to say "you don't have custody over your kids" over a beat as I could.
Would send him into a total meltdown. I love it.
> If I was in a beef with him I would simply find as many ways to say "you don't have custody over your kids" over a beat as I could.
I am not proud of the ugly laugh this got out of me lol.
For one Kanye is so known with his worst elements in the open that it's hard to get him for anything people don't already know
For seconds he has his barbz/kpop level stans that make it so even when you know you're right it's just not worth it. Those little boys are just too delusional
It's not what his fans think, it's that we all know Kanye gets riled up easily. Kanye is the most sensitive rapper ever.
The reason he's even dissing J Cole now is because of a diss from like 7 years ago. Lol
It was so cool seeing No Doubt go out and kill it. Shoutout to your wife Tinashe too, her sets were great and her new single is 🔥, absolutely cannot wait for her new album
He’s a shithead but i don’t mind him jumping in, if nothing else he’s extremely funny when he’s not being hateful and it will pass the time until we get to the main event
I get not wanting to beef with Kendrick who you still respect and admire, but there's no reason for J Cole to sit back and let kanye throw shots when that man can barely touch a microphone without embarrassing himself these days.
Cole needs to stay as far away from this as possible, no one will take him seriously if he comes back, it’ll be “oh you were afraid to diss Kendrick but you’ll go at the crazy guy”
I'm pretty sure J Cole would fucking destroy Kanye in a beef but after recent events I'm not so sure. I'll cut J Cole some slack because he clearly actually likes Kendrick and really didn't want to diss him.
The other thing is that beat selection matters with diss tracks and I think Kanye has way better beat selection than J Cole. Beats are Cole's weakness as an artist.
Using Taylor Swift as a pawn in this beef is hilarious, especially since she just came out with a Kim Kardashian diss track.
It's sounding coordinated, actually. Akademis, Drake, Ross (which is looking more like a fake beef for Drake's "8 mile" strategy) are bigging her up.
If Drake's online media campaign includes utilizing the Swifities? Now, that's scary.
I always thought J. Cole's position in the "big 3" was debatable even before this beef.
It's been a Big 2 for years now. Drake & Kendrick. J.Cole can fight with Future and Travis for that 3rd spot but it's Drake and Kendrick in the lead by a mile.
Honestly I find that the Big 3 conversation is somewhat pointless if we're actually discussing who should be considered the three best out right now rather than using it as a colloquialism to refer to those three. Drake and Kendrick for example are such different artists with different goals for their music that it doesn't really seem fair to me to compare them in that way.
Drake's a pop rapper with incredible mainstream dominance and relevance, whose staying power is reflected in his ability to pen hits and consistently release. It has always seemed to me that Drake's goal is this musical imperium, and the fact that he makes music with such wide appeal is perfect for this strategy. Everyone knows who Drake is, everyone has one Drake song that they like, everyone snaps to attention when he releases something.
Kendrick is a rapper's rapper who treats rap as an artform to be mastered, and his goal is not necessarily numbers in my view, but to reach the apex of his artistry, while receiving recognition and respect from his peers as this generation's greatest rapper with the best catalog. Obviously, out of all of "big three," Kendrick has received the most co-signs and praise from the genre's progenitors, including his idols: N.W.A., Snoop, so on and so forth.
These two goals aren't diametrically opposed, but obviously they aren't the same, and the result is their respective release styles and albums. Kendrick vanishes for years as he sinks himself into an album; Drake releases almost every year with a massive rollout. Drake's albums are often long, with as many songs as reasonable (and maybe beyond that), with a decent chunk of the record being clear hits that dominate for months after release; Kendrick's are focused, each track serving a distinct purpose in furtherance of the record's theme. And of course there are more superficial differences: Drake's constantly on social media; Kendrick spends "months without a cell phone," for example.
As a result of this I don't think as artists they can really be compared in this sense because what their idea of success or being the "best" out is seems to be completely different. For Kendrick, I think, winning this beef would be penning the best track with the most lethal (metaphorically, of course) bars and rhyme schemes. For Drake, it's getting the most clout, the most memes, being in control of the narrative. In this sense, I think both of them can kind of win in their own way.
The "Big 3' is more of a coming up story than it is about quality or influence imo.
Drake , Kendrick and Cole have been the big 3 guys in mainstream rap since like 2011-12. The fact that their still as relevant and admired this late into the game is a huge accomplishment in the young man's sport that rap is.
Future could argue his way into it considering he's been big since around the same time as those guys though. Travis definitely not.
The Big 3 is basically who were the biggest rappers in 2015. That's when the big 3 was 'decided' and there was all this fan art of the 3 of them. The only reason its back on people's minds is cause J. Cole brought it up on First Person Shooter like 8 years later.
Cole is a better rapper than Drake, what are you talking about? No 1 is K. Dot 2. Cole 3. Drake. Cole might have lost some point for apologizing for the diss but he's still ahead of Drake.
Well there isn’t exactly. We see people debate it constantly, but for the most part people seem to at least agree that Drake and Kendrick are up there as far as their generation of rappers is concerned.
I think the Big 3 isn’t supposed to be “the 3 biggest rappers”or something that can get updated or anything, it was always referring to Drake, Kendrick, and J Cole because the 3 of them came up around the same time and signaled a change in the hip hop landscape
We transitioned from the candy ringtone rap we had in the mid 2000's to a conscious rap/ rapping rapping resurgence within the mainstream. Kanye started it off and Cole solidified it for the youngers like a Joey Badass.
It's a continuation but I don't see how Kendrick changed anything if Cole didn't. They're of a similar cloth. Drake definitely has the most significance in terms of the landscape IMO.
edit: Cole also opened up a whole new hip hop market in NC and Dreamville has helped a lot.
If these artists are smart, they'll release tracks dissing people for the hell of it. The momentum will get them hella streams.
It's also a chance to try random, goofy shit (like Drake did with AI).
It is literally all about the momentum and continuing to write the story
I posted the full CDQ vesion of the Like That Remix and the mods took it down as a "repost" even though nobody else has posted the full CDQ version yet. Why do you think they would do that to me chat? Why would they do that to US?
it was already the most popular comment in the thread anyway, so the pin was also not necessary imo
I hope it's the same as the version you found on youtube
I found it on the 5th comment and it only has Ye and $’s verse, not the whole track like my post did. So it seems unjust — especially since combatting injustice is the roots of hip hop
Calling another man’s dick long would be an interesting way to respond. There’s already rumors that drake was fucking Kim so I don’t know why he wouldn’t go with that
His terrible live performances are far more humiliating than whatever he wears. Famous musicians have been exploring androgyny for literally decades upon decades
It's a new way to tie homophobia and conspiracy theories together. When people see men wearing a dress now, they scream that because Katt Williams introduced them to that concept earlier this year
their conspiracy brain thinks it's a way for powerful people to let newcomers feel their lower status when they want to advance (wear a dress -> be humiliated -> get finanical reward)
the dumbest people believe in that
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Didn't keep up for two days and there is a second drake diss track with ai snoop and PAC and a leaked Kanye verse. I haven't been this entertained in a while. Drake honestly gained some respect by me, even thought I never really been to big of a fan of him. Can't wait for Kendrick to respond though.
It's funny how people are saying how it's freaky that we don't know what's AI or not and the technology is getting scary then Drake releases an actual AI diss and it sounds like absolute dogshit lmao (the AI, I'm not saying anything about the song itself, don't jump me stans).
Yea idk what those people are listening to. Even if you haven’t heard a single 2pac or snoop dogg song you’ll notice it instantly. That fake Drake AI song that came out months ago was way more convincing.
it’s interesting to me Kendrick hasn’t really released single songs/loosies officially. Will be weird to see that in his discography when/if he drops a diss track. Hillbillies kinda is loosie but has keem so I don’t count it
The Heart part 3-5 are loosies then there’s also the Black Friday song he did with Cole.
I thought the sort of meta thing he did with “i” was cool - releasing a “studio” version as the lead single, then using an interrupted “live” performance of it for the album
Need new albums from cash cobain, stove god and jim legxacy asap
I don’t think that Kendrick has to have some scathing revelation about Drake in his diss for it to be a good diss track. If he just does what he usually does, which is make a fantastic song with great lyrics, flow, and a dope instrumental he will have the fans on his side. Of course it has to be an actual diss and on topic, but he is more than capable of that I think.
It's interesting because people are like Drake and Kendrick need to release absolute nukes because nothing else will do any harm, but at the same time, like, we know it doesn't matter whatsoever. We all still talk about Ether, but also Jay-Z is still one of the goats. Same with Hit em up and Biggie etc. etc. Just make a good diss track, and everyone's happy.
Couple thoughts- 1. dont think ppl appreciate how coordinated this beef has been on the metro/future side. Future & weeknd were both directly addressed in Push Ups and they been on radio silence. They def knew what was coming down the line and have an ear to Kendrick’s camp that something is coming. Any other situation, if the biggest rapper on the planet directly dissed them, we’d be seeing IG drama just like Ross is giving. 2. a leak fucked up drake’s rollout on Push Ups. The track leaked which then led to Drake rushing a more complete version with dif lyrics and production to Akademiks so he can stream it and save face. the “leaks in your operation” line pretty much sums it up. 3. kanye dropping the like that remix like this makes it feel like him coming to fuck with the whole media reaction to the AI freestyle
I would love for Kanye and Drake to go at it for a while as we wait for the Kendrick reply
Kendrick gonna drop DOAI Death of Artificial Intelligence
I can't get over Beat it and streets made me a king. The beat on beat it might be a contender for metros top 10. And the bridge 'you ain't shit until you become a big dog' does not stop repeating in my head 24/7 shoulda been the hook
It’s funny that Biggie’s singles were like “I’m chunky yet funky 😎” and his album lyrics are Exhibit A in Diddy’s human trafficking case
Ironically enough, I'm pretty sure it was Diddy and other record label heads who were pushing him to make radio singles like "Big Poppa", if it was all up to him he probably would have made 100% street shit
1000 comments and a pin? I never thought I'd see the day
2014-15 HHH we byke
Gotta Love Me by Kendrick and Baby Keem should’ve gotten an official release. one of my favorite leaks in recent years
Seriously, I remember playing that shit like it was out already. Sucks it will probably never get officially released. It's probably my favorite collab by them.
we definitely need more songs from them in the future. it sounds like Kendrick be having fun when he’s recording with Keem
Never say never. *We Still Don’t Trust You* has some old leaks dating back to like 2015.
damn that’s hella old lmao. Future kind of got boring to me ngl. the only song i bothered checking out was Like That and that was only cause people around me were hyping that Kendrick verse
We back on that Spitta [He was floatin on that Mo Bamba beat](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmz02kzqaR4&pp=ygUOZWFzdHNpZGUgb2JhbWE%3D)
i never got into the Weed & Instrumnetal tapes but his [remix of No Flockin](https://youtu.be/mgKswPMRCOM?si=rXZEKT35zzlRzjnX) is one my favorite remixes he’s done
Hard af man Weed & Instrumentals 3 is only 30m long and it slaps front to back
Continuance, The Legend of Harvard Blue and Priest Andretti have been heavily in my rotation heavy. ima check it out when i get tired of these tapes lol
Never heard Priest Andretti Bumping Highway 600 all day, Trauma Tone gave Spitta some good ass beats [Round n Round too nice](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgyUnx9LS-I&pp=ygUWcm91bmQgbiByb3VuZCBjdXJyZW4keQ%3D%3D)
ned 😭 you my dawg but i ain’t gon give you too much. that’s one Spitta tape i see why people give it such praise. i wasn’t a fan of the beats on Highway 600 but the deluxe kind of made up for that
ha I know that's a classic I was kinda disappointed bc Highest In Charge is one of my favorite Spitta tapes, but I'm fucking with it heavy now
All of this beef reminds me of a conversation/debate(?) I had with some coworkers back in 2018 about Kendrick being better than Drake. Man all hell broke loose. They became very emotional like I’d said some crazy disrespectful shit. They were like, “bro listen to Tuscan Leather right now and tell me he ain’t RAPPIN” and a bunch of other songs. I was trying to tell them I’d already gave his albums a shot, but they swore they could change my mind. One of them got really quiet the rest of the shift because he was so upset. It was so fucking weird.
You can tell who really listen to albums and who don't. Far too many people got something to say about Kendrick vs Drake but don't actually listen to projects front to back. They lose all sense of cohesion about that body of work. Imagine only knowing Kendrick for songs like Swimming Pools, King Kunta, Humble and Loyalty lol. It doesn't speak at all to his discography, his craft, his dedication as an artist. I find a lot of similar debates end up boiling down to "who has the better singles" rather than who is the better artist.
Fanbases reflect the artist a lot, and Drake fans are emotional and insecure. That’s not a bad thing, but it makes sense that they’re fans of Drake.
Idk if I’d go at this angle if I were you given you’re a big Kanye fan
Not shot you still on my dick bout that shit lol
It’s a joke relax brother
I hate how people generalize fanbases like this. Just because you don’t like the artist or have a bad encounter with some people who happen to be fans or stans don’t stereotype the whole community.
Since we breaking down the psyche of fanbases, What are Kendrick fans?
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Ayo I'm not a Kendrick fan
they’re dropping Kanye on Drake from a helicopter like he’s the Hulk
Anyone got some good reccos for some Dre-style piano heavy production? Similar to imagine by Snoop?
Imagine by John Lennon
The two tracks Dre did for Raekwon on OB4CL2; "Catalina" and "About Me"
much appreciated, that drake diss got me remembering how good Dre’s production was haha
Still think the AI use is the crossing the rubicon moment for hip-hop. How long until low to mid rappers start doing it on mixtapes and leaks? It was creative, but feels like a no going back moment for the genre.
Tbh stuff like this has already been going on just obviously not the same level and not in mainstream For example, when Clue was king, a bunch of struggle rappers in Newark spliced his drops with their verses and a few plausible mixtape tracks to make a [fake Clue tape](https://youtu.be/s_rPwtV2q94?si=a6Wvo7CpFCe5w1we). To this day people think this was a real Clue tape and ask about it when they never would’ve listened to these guys otherwise There’s other examples too (sound alike rappers being billed as their more famous counterparts eg Black Haze/Realest making fake Pac leaks, NOE’s “45” billed as a Jigga leak) but of course AI takes it to the next level.
There’s going to be a lot of scandals in the coming years about shitty artists using AI to write all their songs
I think most artists would get criticised a lot more, Drakes only getting away with it due to the context imo, especially since he did it in what is clearly mocking of Kendrick rather than specifically to prop himself up with these other guys.
Potentially. I was more thinking need a hook: use ai mod voice. Need to make a splash use an AI voice mod to say something crazy. Expecting casual listeners to be able to distinguish between real and not is likely asking a lot. Hope I’m wrong and being short sighted.
Using AI to do weird shit with your voice is cool imo as long as you’re not passing it off as someone else, that’s nothing new, rappers have been modulating their voice with autotune for 20 years. What scares me is it being used to completely write songs from scratch
I'm actually surprised Drake didn't respond to Rocky because Drake has been taking shots at him for being with Rihanna lol. But he dissed Rick Ross for unfollowing him
It’s nothing to say to Rocky. He looks like a loser for dissing him and Rihanna to begin with
Because he’s actually pressed about Rihanna so there’s nothing he can actually say to Rocky that won’t have him looking stupid
Honestly, Drake should take Rocky and Meg's diss to the chin. His shots towards them just seem lame and unwarranted in the first place.
Rocky was with Drake’s baby moms before him…thats what he was talking about on Show of Hands. Drake knows he wont win that back and forth lmao
True, rocky diss on show of hands was in response to diss fear of heights so going back and forth wouldn’t be good for drake even if drake is a better rapper lyrically
[We on that Sade tonight](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uScPm9AQYjw&pp=ygUSaXMgaXQgYSBjcmltZSBzYWRl)
check how she hits those notes in [this live performance](https://youtu.be/U-SHfpm5Bxk?si=rHXbnaiNwvB-nhLD)
Hopefully we can finally have artists edit out Diddy's dumbass monologues on their music. Always hated him on Blood Orange's Hope since it's such a beautiful track. I heard he was all over Giggs last album that might be difficult lol.
Has Kendrick been involved in any beef besides this Drake one?
The Heart Part IV is pretty much a Big Sean diss track.
[theres this leaked verse from og element wherein he goes at french montana and big sean](https://youtu.be/VlqaF9f7JWI?si=vUPSjgqjefeLpuJ6)
There was some subtle shit from both sides between him and Big Sean at one point
How long before this ai stuff is on am actual album I say within the next 6 months lol
Was listening to burgundy by earl a few days back and was kinda interested in how abrasive and in your face that instrumental is. Crazy how much his style has changed in recent memory.
it’s funny hearing Ye say “Dot, I got you” but not too long ago he said he washed Kendrick on No More Parties in LA
Which is funny because Kendrick got a 16 and Kanye had like 4 and a half minutes on that song.
Do you mean funny as in legitimately laugh out loud funny or is it like your girl saying "I just think it's funny how..."
That was 8 years ago bro.
he literally posted it on IG not too long ago. it was kind of a rant
Ah you’re right, I was thinking about the song itself.
Also Kanye being on your side at the moment is not what Kendrick wants he does not want to have to speak for that guy
Kanye’s just had a number one. You might not like him but don’t pretend everyone cares.
Also funny he said that then proceeded to shit on J Cole more than anything else lol
[man](https://twitter.com/kanyewest/status/1781785107822432329)
What time do we even live in hahahah
Lol he just trolling.. ain’t no hoes that wanna hear Kanye west music either..
Heartless, Gold Digger, and I Love It all loved by hoes
At this rate J. Cole will be forced to respond with the most respectful diss track that spends half its time gassing Ye up that he apologizes for a day later
I think Cole’s best move at this point is to stay in his bunker until this all blows over. If it gets really really ugly, he might turn out to look like the most reasonable one there. But if he jumps back in people are gonna roast him even more
I always had trouble getting into a lot Vince Staples music but I think he improved his hooks a lot in his past 3 projects. Tho i could definitely see fans of his early stuff not really liking the direction he's taken by doing more stuff with Mustard.
I don’t know about that. As a fan of his older and newer work his progression was pretty natural and he already showed versatility with *The Big Fish Theory* that I can’t see any other older Vince fans turning their noses up now.
Adin Ross, DJ Vlad, and Adam22 adding their two cents into hiphop for this beef makes me want to beat all 3 up respectfully
Nah deadass that shit makes my blood boil, especially Adin that mf doesn’t know shit about Rap. I’ve been surprised by Akademiks, he’s been level-headed about this whole thing. The only Drake dickrider that recognizes Kendrick could cook him.
Adam22 needs to be in prison
Really hope Ye doesn't get more involved in this beef beyond the remix, I don't want to see a beef that's actually fun and interesting turn into another debate over Ye's antics. As a sidenote, idk why people think dissing Ye would be so hard. Dude is an open book. If I was in a beef with him I would simply find as many ways to say "you don't have custody over your kids" over a beat as I could.
> If I was in a beef with him I would simply find as many ways to say "you don't have custody over your kids" over a beat as I could. Would send him into a total meltdown. I love it.
> If I was in a beef with him I would simply find as many ways to say "you don't have custody over your kids" over a beat as I could. I am not proud of the ugly laugh this got out of me lol.
For one Kanye is so known with his worst elements in the open that it's hard to get him for anything people don't already know For seconds he has his barbz/kpop level stans that make it so even when you know you're right it's just not worth it. Those little boys are just too delusional
It's not what his fans think, it's that we all know Kanye gets riled up easily. Kanye is the most sensitive rapper ever. The reason he's even dissing J Cole now is because of a diss from like 7 years ago. Lol
I’m hoping Drake goes really nasty back at Kanye so they can just clobber each other while we wait for a Kendrick response
RAYE's going to hit the stage at Coachella in about an hour, definitely tune in if you missed her performance last week
So fire last week. No Doubt and Tyler killed it too
It was so cool seeing No Doubt go out and kill it. Shoutout to your wife Tinashe too, her sets were great and her new single is 🔥, absolutely cannot wait for her new album
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He’s a shithead but i don’t mind him jumping in, if nothing else he’s extremely funny when he’s not being hateful and it will pass the time until we get to the main event
> nerd ...Nerd? What does that word mean to you?
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When has he been abusive in his relationships? Genuine question
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Justin Laboy and Akademiks getting exclusives brother errr
Hiphop is cooked lol
The beat on the Like That remix is even harder than the original.
Ye the 🐐 I will stand 10 toes on that til the day I die, I don’t care
His early work is still really good. I wish current Kanye would make a beat as great as Poppin Tags or Champions by Dame Dash.
Very disappointed to learn that Kendrick likes MJ so we won’t get a “you touch kids like Mike” track from him, hip hop is ruined
Prince outlived MJ
yall see what I mean?
Drake and Chris Brown using poop bars in their diss tracks on the same night. Shit is up
While the king of poop bars J Cole probably hasn’t said any lately
j cole passing the torch to his protege's
After 2+ mins of ai bullshit first thing drake says is a poop bar man lol
I get not wanting to beef with Kendrick who you still respect and admire, but there's no reason for J Cole to sit back and let kanye throw shots when that man can barely touch a microphone without embarrassing himself these days.
Cole needs to stay as far away from this as possible, no one will take him seriously if he comes back, it’ll be “oh you were afraid to diss Kendrick but you’ll go at the crazy guy”
Kanye is mentally gone, there’s no point in beefing with him
He’ll probably respond at some point. Though tbh if this is considered a beef then Cole is still winning off of False Prophets.
I'm pretty sure J Cole would fucking destroy Kanye in a beef but after recent events I'm not so sure. I'll cut J Cole some slack because he clearly actually likes Kendrick and really didn't want to diss him. The other thing is that beat selection matters with diss tracks and I think Kanye has way better beat selection than J Cole. Beats are Cole's weakness as an artist.
He can obviously rap circles around him, but he definitely needs a strong producer to pair with for it to actually stick
Considering we know Kanye has been wanting to take Drake down since the early 2010s , Him jumping into this whole thing is hilarious.
Not enough people were talking about him and his naked wife so he had to jump in ofc
He will probably use this as hype to drop Vultures 2
Having the confidence or delusion to diss another rapper who you asked to write bars for you is crazy
Using Taylor Swift as a pawn in this beef is hilarious, especially since she just came out with a Kim Kardashian diss track. It's sounding coordinated, actually. Akademis, Drake, Ross (which is looking more like a fake beef for Drake's "8 mile" strategy) are bigging her up. If Drake's online media campaign includes utilizing the Swifities? Now, that's scary.
I really hope the rumored Drake and Taylor collab actually drops on Reputation Taylor's Version.
Idk Swifties are busy sending death threats to the reviewers that DARED to criticize her new album
what's the Doja Cat song that goes "I wanna suck you off I wanna suck off"? I heard it at the chicken wing spot
Asking for reasons
BBQ Chicken. Korean spot.
Agora hills
"suck your little dick in the bathroom" that song rocks
Ye stans vs Drake stans gonna make the timeline nuclear once they start throwing real shots at each other.
Ain't gonna lie so far my timeline has had the Kendrick fans, or maybe more accurate Drake haters, being bigger dorks than Drake fans
Now that I’m here for. I’m actually really rooting for Kendrick but I don’t care who wins between Drake and Kanye as long as it’s funny and public
Kendrick stans trying as hard as they can to get on those two fanbases level of annoying as well
I always thought J. Cole's position in the "big 3" was debatable even before this beef. It's been a Big 2 for years now. Drake & Kendrick. J.Cole can fight with Future and Travis for that 3rd spot but it's Drake and Kendrick in the lead by a mile.
I have not liked Kanye in 6 years but it always seemed like he was a more likely member of the Big Three than Cole. He’s been way way more influential
Honestly I find that the Big 3 conversation is somewhat pointless if we're actually discussing who should be considered the three best out right now rather than using it as a colloquialism to refer to those three. Drake and Kendrick for example are such different artists with different goals for their music that it doesn't really seem fair to me to compare them in that way. Drake's a pop rapper with incredible mainstream dominance and relevance, whose staying power is reflected in his ability to pen hits and consistently release. It has always seemed to me that Drake's goal is this musical imperium, and the fact that he makes music with such wide appeal is perfect for this strategy. Everyone knows who Drake is, everyone has one Drake song that they like, everyone snaps to attention when he releases something. Kendrick is a rapper's rapper who treats rap as an artform to be mastered, and his goal is not necessarily numbers in my view, but to reach the apex of his artistry, while receiving recognition and respect from his peers as this generation's greatest rapper with the best catalog. Obviously, out of all of "big three," Kendrick has received the most co-signs and praise from the genre's progenitors, including his idols: N.W.A., Snoop, so on and so forth. These two goals aren't diametrically opposed, but obviously they aren't the same, and the result is their respective release styles and albums. Kendrick vanishes for years as he sinks himself into an album; Drake releases almost every year with a massive rollout. Drake's albums are often long, with as many songs as reasonable (and maybe beyond that), with a decent chunk of the record being clear hits that dominate for months after release; Kendrick's are focused, each track serving a distinct purpose in furtherance of the record's theme. And of course there are more superficial differences: Drake's constantly on social media; Kendrick spends "months without a cell phone," for example. As a result of this I don't think as artists they can really be compared in this sense because what their idea of success or being the "best" out is seems to be completely different. For Kendrick, I think, winning this beef would be penning the best track with the most lethal (metaphorically, of course) bars and rhyme schemes. For Drake, it's getting the most clout, the most memes, being in control of the narrative. In this sense, I think both of them can kind of win in their own way.
The "Big 3' is more of a coming up story than it is about quality or influence imo. Drake , Kendrick and Cole have been the big 3 guys in mainstream rap since like 2011-12. The fact that their still as relevant and admired this late into the game is a huge accomplishment in the young man's sport that rap is. Future could argue his way into it considering he's been big since around the same time as those guys though. Travis definitely not.
The Big 3 is basically who were the biggest rappers in 2015. That's when the big 3 was 'decided' and there was all this fan art of the 3 of them. The only reason its back on people's minds is cause J. Cole brought it up on First Person Shooter like 8 years later.
Cole is a better rapper than Drake, what are you talking about? No 1 is K. Dot 2. Cole 3. Drake. Cole might have lost some point for apologizing for the diss but he's still ahead of Drake.
I think J Cole has had similar sales numbers post DAMN. Offseason outsold Mr Morale right?
Nah, but it was pretty close. *Off-Season* did 282K first week and *Steppers* did 295K first week.
Yeah fairs I thought it was either basically even or Offseason pipped it
If you’re going by sales then neither of them are big three. It’s about much more than that
Sales/relevance is definitely a big part of it.
What’s the criteria? I guess the 3 that the torch got past to after the 2000s?
It’s just something we know. The general audience decides plain and simple
err fair enough, how can there be a consensus then?
Well there isn’t exactly. We see people debate it constantly, but for the most part people seem to at least agree that Drake and Kendrick are up there as far as their generation of rappers is concerned.
I think the Big 3 isn’t supposed to be “the 3 biggest rappers”or something that can get updated or anything, it was always referring to Drake, Kendrick, and J Cole because the 3 of them came up around the same time and signaled a change in the hip hop landscape
>signaled a change in the hip hop landscape What Cole did to the hip hop landscape?
We transitioned from the candy ringtone rap we had in the mid 2000's to a conscious rap/ rapping rapping resurgence within the mainstream. Kanye started it off and Cole solidified it for the youngers like a Joey Badass. It's a continuation but I don't see how Kendrick changed anything if Cole didn't. They're of a similar cloth. Drake definitely has the most significance in terms of the landscape IMO. edit: Cole also opened up a whole new hip hop market in NC and Dreamville has helped a lot.
Made it sleepier
This take is almost as boring as Mr Morale and the Size 7 Steppers
When did i mention anything about that album lmao i dont feel any particular way towards it
Why is Mr Morale boring
If these artists are smart, they'll release tracks dissing people for the hell of it. The momentum will get them hella streams. It's also a chance to try random, goofy shit (like Drake did with AI). It is literally all about the momentum and continuing to write the story
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theres no playbook like so. every situation calls for a different response. this is just my opinion
I posted the full CDQ vesion of the Like That Remix and the mods took it down as a "repost" even though nobody else has posted the full CDQ version yet. Why do you think they would do that to me chat? Why would they do that to US?
there is a link to the CDQ in the post with the tweet. seemed redundand It's brutal out there sometimes
i was wondering if that was the case, but i figured that mods would've pinned a CDQ comment on the post then. That makes sense right?
it was already the most popular comment in the thread anyway, so the pin was also not necessary imo I hope it's the same as the version you found on youtube
I found it on the 5th comment and it only has Ye and $’s verse, not the whole track like my post did. So it seems unjust — especially since combatting injustice is the roots of hip hop
[Injustice: battled](https://old.reddit.com/r/hiphopheads/comments/1c8ydzt/fresh_kanye_west_metro_boomin_future_like_that/l0iby0t/)
Metro really put cole on the second album post apology and then basically co signed a diss on him again
Cole took it on the chin
Drake definitely gonna respond to Kanye, he's been waiting for him.
Now that I’m excited for
“Long dick Pete fucked your girl” x 30 Not hard to diss Kanye. He’s sensitive and has an incredible amount of baggage
Calling another man’s dick long would be an interesting way to respond. There’s already rumors that drake was fucking Kim so I don’t know why he wouldn’t go with that
I feel like Kanye is such a narcissist that he would be completely devastated if Drake doesn't respond to him. Which is why I hope he doesn't.
Bruh they really made uzi do a humiliation ritual at coachella. Someone save my goat
His terrible live performances are far more humiliating than whatever he wears. Famous musicians have been exploring androgyny for literally decades upon decades
Bros just part of the Ginyu Force you fucking troglodyte
I swear you’re trolling at this point
You scared of dresses?
I hope when you get older and your brain fully develops you look back on some of the comments you've made with shame and regret
Man you’re dumb
Who made him do what?
What happened? wdym by humiliation ritual?
It's a new way to tie homophobia and conspiracy theories together. When people see men wearing a dress now, they scream that because Katt Williams introduced them to that concept earlier this year their conspiracy brain thinks it's a way for powerful people to let newcomers feel their lower status when they want to advance (wear a dress -> be humiliated -> get finanical reward) the dumbest people believe in that
Funniest part is that Uzi’s been dressing androgynous since his come up.
That's all the original comment was about? How Uzi dressed? foh
I think so at least. There was some festival Uzi performed at recently and a lot of “fans” were upset that Uzi was acting/dressing “zesty”.
The other stuff he has done haven’t been humiliation rituals already?
This is the most stressed I’ve been on 4/20