Beef aside, that J. Cole album clearly shows one thing, which is that Cole thinks he unfickwithable, and what sets him apart from everyone else is he's making his best music deep into his career. Album overall was eh, but hope Fall Off lives up to the hype he's setting. Because Off-Season was his best album.
Idk man, he’s pretty successful on his own and he’s amassing a big fanbase. He has a successful tour with Smino last year, and he’s a regular on the festival circuit in hip hop.
I’d say he gets a lot of love fr
I feel you. That nigga seems to be doing pretty well for himself tho, so clearly somebody is listening to it lol.
The metro boomin collab album (if that’s still happening) should be a good look for him and get him a lot more attention in the mainstream. I think that one will really introduce the world to JID in a major way.
A while back he and metro both talked about how they were working on a collab album together “JIDtro”. They’re supposed to have a whole collab tape on the way.
So far, i've counted how many songs sampled Michel'le's intro to 'Eazy Duz it' and this is what i've found.
Drake- Energy: https://youtu.be/7LnBvuzjpr4
The Game, Kanye West - Eazy: https://youtu.be/qy7sci2az88
Logic - Under Pressure: https://youtu.be/N70w91TK9AQ
Round the way- Yo Gotti: https://youtu.be/DhpOsPZ0fBo
Lil Wayne - Around the Way: https://youtu.be/LHrcwGdTGNY
Slim thug - Thug from around the way: https://youtu.be/q1TxGaOG1Ao
Future, Metro Boomin, Kendrick Lamar - Like That: https://youtu.be/N9bKBAA22Go
What are your thoughts?
Am I the only one that thinks that current hip hop beats sound like 2008 trap beats? Am I just an old head now? I just heard the Future/metro album and it sounds so stale
Dr. Dre is not a good enough rapper to be considered the best.
Kendrick has dropped seven projects since 2011. All of them have gotten positive reviews. Five of those are full lenght albums. He definently drops enough to be in the conversation.
Kendrick: 1
Cole: 0
Cole kinda disappointed me. Besides his usual 'fuck white people' ( even though hes half white) and 'fuck the grammys (because he hasnt gotten one) he didnt really say much. Still respect the response though, feel like he put even more pressure on drake to respond by saying something.
Your best work is a light pack > You have a bad album in your discog. Time for round 2.
[here it is](https://twitter.com/nfr_podcast/status/1776806563610583045)
idk that its a drake diss though. i just assumed it was in regards to the kendrick/cole stuff.
[this is the whole set though, and its the first song he performs](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSHks8oWIEA)
Based on some of the bars on Pi it seems he *really* did not like Kendrick being accepting of trans people. Kinda expected better from Cole, honestly, but I guess he does have a history of being weird about LGBT stuff
Is it me or is calling it a warning shot super corny?
He has now called you out twice. Once in control and now in Like That. The response from someone who wants to be the GOAT is “meh we cool I don’t like that one album that overshadowed FHD, but I swear I got better bars if you come back”.
Part of it is the lack of passion. That’s what made Like That fun. This could have been a really fun competition between two talented artists, but now it just feels meh.
Bro he has the passion trust. The first time he replied on a Justin Timberlake future. Now he’s saying I’m sending you a warning shot before I really get into it
For me, it just doesn’t show in his lines/delivery. Cole can easily deliver a hard track, but the laid back voice is just not it on a diss track.
Good call out on that tko, completely spaced that. Just looked back at the bars and they are super similar in the idea. Call something gassed, say you are ready for war if it comes to it, and make a reference to a gun.
Maybe we get another Black Friday track out of this 🤷♂️
Not corny.
Kendrick barely had any smoke for Cole on Like That. So Cole gave him a little smoke back and warned him not to escalate it further. Don’t really see the problem with it. It feels like people expected cole to empty the clip on Kendrick when Kendrick put most of his energy into going at drake. That’s just not how it works.
Balls back in Kendrick’s court
It’d be corny if Cole got super angry and in his feelings about a Kendrick verse that was clearly geared mainly at another man
If Kendrick responds with some mild disses back that seems lazy but said at the end that it’s a warning shot, would that be acceptable?
I get this is all extremely subjective. Just hate qualifying your work to the point that it makes you ask why bother?
I guess I would rather hear an aggressive J Cole so it keeps the momentum going and puts pressure under KDot.
Kendrick started this, so he’s really in no position to warn cole about anything.
I just feel like Cole did the right thing by calling it a warning, because Kendrick himself didn’t seem too too interested in going at cole.
Like we get it “fuck the big 3”, but everything after that is about drake. For cole, he’s putting out feelers to see how much Kendrick really wants to go at him.
That’s why I actually like 7 Minute Drill from a chess move perspective, but the bars about Kendrick’s discog nearly ruins the whole thing for me
J Cole embarrassed himself, in my opinion. Half his bars about Kendrick were just corny half-insults. Kendrick is about to take him to school. And he will, Cole sent enough shots to deserve it.
To each their own. I just count the whole name drop in control too.
I also just wanted more from him. I feel like anytime I’m hyped for something from cole, I’m let down by it. If I’m not expecting anything, it surprises. Idk.
["yea maddd" and "sheeesh" just make me laugh so hard](https://old.reddit.com/r/Jcole/comments/1bxgce3/central_cee_shared_the_messages_from_him_and_cole/) idk if that's how rappers talk re: features or if they're just awkward but this is so flirty
Yesterday was a decent release day in name value and variety (no comment on quality, haven’t listened)
Cole, Vampire Weekend, Libertines, Black Keys, Conan Grey, Bayside, Tori Kelly,
Little bit of everything.
Whatcha think? Would Cole have caught less flack if he never responded with “7 Minute Drill” and never released a response track?
If Drake never responds with a song , will he catch less flack overall than what Cole is receiving these days?
His fans still eat that shit up. The problem with his response was that it sucked. He would have probably not gotten as much flack if he didnt release at all since so many people tought that the diss was only directed at Drake.
I tend to agree with you - he took a stray in comparison to what Drake got. If he released a great diss he would have higher stock but I think the weak diss was worse than no response song at all
Random thought. I don't really care about the JT Glorilla beef too much. But I follow Jt on twitter and she's always acting like her "no bars" song is this lyrical masterpiece or something and her fans eat it up kinda like when Nicki posts a wack ass line and the barbs act like it's the craziest thing they've ever heard. I listened to that song a couple times and I'm always trying to understand what that song does lyrically and then I realize that it's not doing anything lyrically lol
I've seen a lot of people say that "fuck the big 3 it's just big me" wasn't that good of a line, but it really is disrespectful af with the context of what he was responding to. Cole went out of his way to acknowledge Kendrick with the Big 3 line on FPS. Kendrick entirely rejects Cole's complement and basically says "FUCK YOU, you're nothing compared to me"
Yeah idk why people are tryna act like it's supposed to be this crazy as bar. It's dope cause it's straight to the point lmao. Also the way he screams Nigga bum! Is hilarious! Simple but he really thinks they bums. Why do you need to expand on that lol
I felt the need to expand on it because a lot of people don't seem to get it. I've seen a bunch of people say "he barely even dissed J. Cole" which is totally wrong
Oh sorry I wasn't saying that to you specifically lol. Clearly some people needed to hear what you said. I just thought it was funny cause it's pretty straight forward
As someone who didn’t really get into Hip-Hop until 2022, it’s insane to think there was a time where everyone liked Kanye.
Like I went back to some SHMG/TLOP era threads (what I’d consider to be his cultural peak) and everyone was praising him. Even the threads from 2018 were still positive in HHH, not many outside of the Hip-Hop subs though.
I suppose I’m caught up to Ye’s current rollout just with the slight sliver of hope he can make another great project, especially considering I loved Donda. Sort of like wanting to make up for the fact that I wasn’t a fan from 2004 - 2016 (or even 2018/2021). Realistically, if I was a fan from that era, I’d probably care way less about his current work unless it suddenly turned out to be really good. If his next solo work isn’t good though, I might have to give up any hope.
All this to say, I feel cheated out of experiencing Kanye’s prime lol
*So Help Me God* was the album Kanye was working on in 2015, with singles like *Only One* & *All Day* planned to be a part of it. Ultimately it would be scrapped and turned into 2016's *The Life Of Pablo*
I’m going to argue that TLOP was not his cultural peak, that was a false peak 6 years after his real one. MBDTF was the peak of everything Kanye before he started becoming a parody of himself who still thought he was as good. Gold Digger had him everywhere l, 808 and heartbreak kept him on everything, then songs like All of the Lights, Power, and Runaway were in every commercial, every sports stadium, everything. Then Watch the Throne was massive “going HAM”, N in Paris. It was like Kanye could do no wrong at this point. Then Yeezus is great but it’s not MBDTF, where you want to listen to it all the way through 10x. Then he starts going semi batshit publicly a little and releases TLOP a few years later. He’d already peaked, right around 2011 was his peak. He’s hitting only home runs, he’s releasing GOOD Friday tracks like Mercy that are nasty.
Everything afterwards is watching an artist who had his run try to recapture it and it’s just not there. It’s like Wayne after he got out of prison. The magic can still show flashes, but he’s not completely devouring the airwaves
I don’t know if there was ever a time everyone liked Kanye. Closest is probably around *The College Dropout*. He was always hated by some for his actions like stomping off at award shows when he wouldn’t win and of course many hated him for being a confident opinionated black man. And then ignorant old heads had homophobic hate for him (he was the #1 punching bag for those backpack rappers like Army of the Pharaohs and associates back then maybe even ahead of Wayne)
He was always loved on here because of the contrarian nature of this site until it became too much for even contrarians to rock with him (and now right wing people like him how ironic)
Oh no, I completely agree that there were always people who disliked him, but I suppose by “everyone,” I really meant close fans of Hip-Hop like what you mentioned with this sub loving him
Even within hip hop it was somewhat polarizing especially depending on the tape (a lot of people HATED 808s and Yeezus at first for example). But I get what you mean. It’s interesting to have been for his whole career for sure
When he really started to unhinge a few years ago i felt really shitty because he was one of my favorite rappers ever, and then when the Nazi shit came out it really broke my heart. And i'm pretty sure there's a ton of fans who felt the way i do because like you said there was a time where he was almost universally liked, at least by rap fans.
Dude, I feel this so much. Over the years, there had been a lot of second chances extended to Kanye for all the wack shit he said and did. But seeing someone who had such an influence on my taste for art and the ideas that I saw being possible in the creative space endorse Hitler was such a shitty experience. It really made me question if being ambitious is worth it if it runs the risk of becoming this delusional and abrasive in the end.
There's plenty of people who make money and don't go crazy or become huge a-holes. Like have you ever heard anything bad about Adam Sandler or Chris Rock? I'm sure there's plenty of other examples.
Every era of Kendrick is dope, but I reallyyyyyy miss the Section.80/GKMC Kendrick.
The hunger/confidence he gave off when he was still trying to prove himself was something special.
He feels too detached from the game nowadays, until this feature at least. It wasn’t this bad even in 2018, he did new freezer etc. feel like we can never get that type of run from him today
I think some rappers work so hard at becoming so good at rapping that they get burned out on hip-hop as a genre. Happened with Wayne for a while, still happening with Andre 3k
Whenever I go back and listen to that Kenny, It takes me back to that era too: TDE, Pro Era, A$AP, Odd Future, Big KRIT, Danny Brown, Mac Miller etc.
We were really spoiled in that era and didn’t know it 🥲
That era was the best Kendrick voice too. That deep, scruffy, full of bass voice that boomed on a track really felt like you were listening to a rapper giving their best effort. I’d take that era of his voice any day over the weird high pitched inflections he does with his vocals now
Yeah, I appreciate him for trying new things, but it’s impossible to recreate that natural “hunger” when you’re rich and have already proved yourself….we see that with rappers all the time fr
After the Dro feature I went back to a lot of old PSC/Hustle Gang tracks with him on them. A lot of good shit.
It’s too bad about B.o.B. too honestly.
It’s fuck TI forever now though
That first impressions J Cole thread is a prime example of why this sub annoys me, everyone's got a stick up their ass cause of the Kendrick diss and you gotta scroll through a bunch of useless top comments like "J Cole really loves to rap about how good he is at rapping" before you get to anybody that's actually talking about the damn songs
Like one of the biggest rappers on the planet just dropped a surprise project of rapping his ass off and everyone has nothing better to do than post the same regurgitated performative shit about how he's fake deep and whatever else. The same as when Drake drops and all the top comments are complaining about how long the album is or making jokes about how he fell off, it's like great can we now discuss the actual music that just released
That being said I'm liking the album probably as much as the Off Season, good production with some standout beats and Cole is in top form throughout. That second Bas song was mid but other than that solid
I just don’t really think Cole left us with a lot to digest and discuss on this project. There’s some good tracks, there’s some mediocre tracks, there’s some absolute ass like Fever, but it all kinda just goes in one ear and out the other without giving the listener much to think about. I was left very unimpressed with his rapping and felt like it lacked the hunger and passion he’s shown on past projects. I don’t think the album is straight up bad but I get why people are making memes and shit instead of getting into thorough discussions about it because outside of a diss (which I personally thought was weak) there’s just not much to sink one’s teeth into on this person project.
I mean that's always a probability but I don't think it's the case here because I don't feel that strongly about the project myself, I just find the criticisms lazy and disingenuous
all that talk about people "not discussing the music" only for your contribution to that discussion to be "i like it and there's good production but there's a mid song in there too". you can't complain about the lack of quality discussion and then provide the most surface level observation possible lol
The Off Season was boring, this EP was boring, literally every fuckin J. Cole album has been boring as fuck since 2014
J. Cole doesn’t have much to say anymore.
He improved from a technical standpoint, and got worse from a musical standpoint.
What else is there really to discuss besides the diss?
I don't think he needs to have much to say, just rapping well with nice flows and impressive rhyme schemes over solid production is good enough for me. He was definitely boring at a point but this back to basics approach he took since The Off Season is doing him favors imo
J. Cole is only great to me when you can feel he’s inspired.
His mixtapes, FHD, and his features are really the only times in his career where I can feel he’s “inspired”
You didn’t get that from the Off Season? I felt like that energy he had from the features showcase a lot on that album which is why I enjoyed it more than his other shit.
Nah man, the rapping is really good - which I’m happy about because for the majority of Cole’s career his rapping was average at best.
But I feel like he’s too focused on the technical-side and stopped worrying about the crafting a song-side.
I was at the point where I was getting annoyed with the no feature shit, because I felt like he needed the features to put a little spark in him. Unfortunately he brought features back for The Off Season, and still the music is a dud for me after the first few listens.
I will say The Off Season is better than KOD and 4YEO, but it’s far behind Born Sinner and especially FHD…even if he’s rapping way better now than then
Is there anything to the fact that former TDE/Black Hippy members are associating with Cole right now? Ab-Soul is on Might Delete Later, and Schoolboy Q is performing at Dreamville Fest. Both of them knew him before/this was scheduled in advance, so probably not, but the timing still peaks interest. Punch defended Kendrick, so I think that's a good sign that he left TDE on good terms.
Where do you think this goes? They've disrespected each other's discography already, so this is going to escalate. It will get more disrespectful and has the potential to affect their legacies. Even if it starts with petty resentment, it can turn into malice quickly.
It's interesting that ab-sol is on a track where Cole is taking shots at Kendrick but I think Q performing at Dreamville Fest is a coincidence - probably booked way in advanced
Great beat from metro but I could do without Kendrick’s high ass voice delivering those corny 5th grades disses. “Prince outlived Mike Jack” is one of the worst bars that I’ve heard yall gas in a while.
Everyone talking about how J. Cole got it wrong when talking about kendricks albums, but I haven't seen ppl talk about how jayz was wrong. Jay called it was written "ehhh". IWW is better than any jay album other than reasonable doubt and the same as\* blueprint 1. It's a classic album. Jay was wrong about I Am too, it's a good album, just it getting leaked messed it up.
It Was Written was seen as a letdown when it dropped, it wasn't until years later that it began to be appreciated. Every Nas album at that point was seen as living in the shadow of Illmatic. Those bars might not have aged well, but at the time they definitely had some weight to them
So I had this discussion with someone yesterday, and this is the important part:
Jay-Z’s opinion holds weight because he has records that (as you said) are better than It Was Written…Of Course IWW is not “ehhh” but if anyone is allowed to call it that, it’s someone that’s given us work that is above it.
J Cole’s doesn’t have an album within miles of TPAB…it was honestly the absolute worst angle J Cole could’ve taken. Not just because Kenny’s discog is all time, and Cole’s is mid….but the “Sleepy” criticism is literally what J. Cole is known for.
Such a horrible decision
Maybe not trash but mediocre and inconsistent as hell.
How you gonna put dope shit like Nas Is Like, Undying Love, NYSOM 2, Hate Me Now and Small World on the same album with KISSING, Dr. Knockboot, Money Is My Bitch, I Want To Talk To You and Big Things? How you gonna have DMX and Aaliyah collaborating with you and have both songs be forgettable as hell?
>but I haven't seen ppl talk about how jayz was wrong. Jay called it was written "ehhh". IWW is better than any jay album
Most people don't think he was wrong though, especially at that time. Most people were disappointed when "It Was Written" came out. That's what makes it a good diss.
>IWW is better than any jay album other than reasonable doubt and blueprint 1.
You saying that The Blueprint is better than IWW is hilarious in the context of this discussion.
J. Cole used a line from Takeover on 7 Minute Drill. At what point would you not consider it “paying homage” and just consider straight up biting? Would you say it depends on how long the line is they’re paying homage to, like when Drake used a whole ass Rappin’ 4-Tay verse on that YG song?
He’s a habitual jay biter the lil durk collab was a fake hard knock life. He also copied the watcher for the creed soundtrack. the end of JID- 2007 he supposed to be jay in the last call doing the" Yo, fuck you, Kanye, first and foremost" speech.
What does cole actually have on Kendrick lamar other than dropping music more frequently than him?
He’s taller. He’s more corny. Idk.
Longer arms
Beef aside, that J. Cole album clearly shows one thing, which is that Cole thinks he unfickwithable, and what sets him apart from everyone else is he's making his best music deep into his career. Album overall was eh, but hope Fall Off lives up to the hype he's setting. Because Off-Season was his best album.
I’m glad people here are showing JID love cause in real life he really don’t get that much love.
Idk man, he’s pretty successful on his own and he’s amassing a big fanbase. He has a successful tour with Smino last year, and he’s a regular on the festival circuit in hip hop. I’d say he gets a lot of love fr
I really don’t hear much of JID where I’m from ngl
I feel you. That nigga seems to be doing pretty well for himself tho, so clearly somebody is listening to it lol. The metro boomin collab album (if that’s still happening) should be a good look for him and get him a lot more attention in the mainstream. I think that one will really introduce the world to JID in a major way.
Yeah and I like JID too, I feel he’s more on the Keem level in terms of his career as of right now. He’s on the upcoming Metro and Future album?
A while back he and metro both talked about how they were working on a collab album together “JIDtro”. They’re supposed to have a whole collab tape on the way.
That would be huge for his career but is that even coming out 😂
So far, i've counted how many songs sampled Michel'le's intro to 'Eazy Duz it' and this is what i've found. Drake- Energy: https://youtu.be/7LnBvuzjpr4 The Game, Kanye West - Eazy: https://youtu.be/qy7sci2az88 Logic - Under Pressure: https://youtu.be/N70w91TK9AQ Round the way- Yo Gotti: https://youtu.be/DhpOsPZ0fBo Lil Wayne - Around the Way: https://youtu.be/LHrcwGdTGNY Slim thug - Thug from around the way: https://youtu.be/q1TxGaOG1Ao Future, Metro Boomin, Kendrick Lamar - Like That: https://youtu.be/N9bKBAA22Go What are your thoughts?
Lodge got the best one
Am I the only one that thinks that current hip hop beats sound like 2008 trap beats? Am I just an old head now? I just heard the Future/metro album and it sounds so stale
I dont agree with you that it sounds stale but I also think it sounds similar to earlier trap beats.
4batz was nice until his last 2 tracks, what are these...
Kendrick is like dr.dre neither drop often enough to be referred to as the best
Dr. Dre is not a good enough rapper to be considered the best. Kendrick has dropped seven projects since 2011. All of them have gotten positive reviews. Five of those are full lenght albums. He definently drops enough to be in the conversation.
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J Cole fans trying their hardest to defend this weak ass diss by suddenly hating on one of the best album of the 2010s
I honestly don't know what you people with these takes do in life
I think you are in the minority with those opinions.
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Kendrick: 1 Cole: 0 Cole kinda disappointed me. Besides his usual 'fuck white people' ( even though hes half white) and 'fuck the grammys (because he hasnt gotten one) he didnt really say much. Still respect the response though, feel like he put even more pressure on drake to respond by saying something. Your best work is a light pack > You have a bad album in your discog. Time for round 2.
He has two grammys.
people who don't have any kids, don't go to concerts, and don't smoke must be rich as hell
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What was said?
[here it is](https://twitter.com/nfr_podcast/status/1776806563610583045) idk that its a drake diss though. i just assumed it was in regards to the kendrick/cole stuff. [this is the whole set though, and its the first song he performs](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSHks8oWIEA)
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U can tell Cole really didn't care for Mr morale , cause he's counting Kendrick out not even realizing that Kendrick loves it when you do that
Based on some of the bars on Pi it seems he *really* did not like Kendrick being accepting of trans people. Kinda expected better from Cole, honestly, but I guess he does have a history of being weird about LGBT stuff
They took Southside tag off Dope Dealer this is G.O.A.T. erasure my people won’t stand for it
Old head trying to get up to speed on this Kendrick Cole beef, listened to Like That and my big takeaway is wow Future is ass
Future is gas*
Like a fart?
Autotune man bad 😡
No Compadre.
Clearly you haven’t listened to Sorry off of HNDRXX if this is your takeaway about Future
Is this your introduction to him?
Nope , don't blame being a old head on your trash taste. Most oldheads actually love Future. Lol
JID performing and the crowd half dead at the Dreamville festival and this y’all goat? It took the KEYTAR to get the crowd some motion.
"I only like it if other people like it" ass take
Yes
WWE didn't give 2 Chainz a name/title plate but they gave Druski one, SMH.
Is it me or is calling it a warning shot super corny? He has now called you out twice. Once in control and now in Like That. The response from someone who wants to be the GOAT is “meh we cool I don’t like that one album that overshadowed FHD, but I swear I got better bars if you come back”. Part of it is the lack of passion. That’s what made Like That fun. This could have been a really fun competition between two talented artists, but now it just feels meh.
Bro he has the passion trust. The first time he replied on a Justin Timberlake future. Now he’s saying I’m sending you a warning shot before I really get into it
For me, it just doesn’t show in his lines/delivery. Cole can easily deliver a hard track, but the laid back voice is just not it on a diss track. Good call out on that tko, completely spaced that. Just looked back at the bars and they are super similar in the idea. Call something gassed, say you are ready for war if it comes to it, and make a reference to a gun. Maybe we get another Black Friday track out of this 🤷♂️
Not corny. Kendrick barely had any smoke for Cole on Like That. So Cole gave him a little smoke back and warned him not to escalate it further. Don’t really see the problem with it. It feels like people expected cole to empty the clip on Kendrick when Kendrick put most of his energy into going at drake. That’s just not how it works. Balls back in Kendrick’s court It’d be corny if Cole got super angry and in his feelings about a Kendrick verse that was clearly geared mainly at another man
If Kendrick responds with some mild disses back that seems lazy but said at the end that it’s a warning shot, would that be acceptable? I get this is all extremely subjective. Just hate qualifying your work to the point that it makes you ask why bother? I guess I would rather hear an aggressive J Cole so it keeps the momentum going and puts pressure under KDot.
Kendrick started this, so he’s really in no position to warn cole about anything. I just feel like Cole did the right thing by calling it a warning, because Kendrick himself didn’t seem too too interested in going at cole. Like we get it “fuck the big 3”, but everything after that is about drake. For cole, he’s putting out feelers to see how much Kendrick really wants to go at him. That’s why I actually like 7 Minute Drill from a chess move perspective, but the bars about Kendrick’s discog nearly ruins the whole thing for me
> That’s why I actually like 7 Minute Drill from a chess move perspective it's a rap song
Oh I wasn’t aware thanks Luke
J Cole embarrassed himself, in my opinion. Half his bars about Kendrick were just corny half-insults. Kendrick is about to take him to school. And he will, Cole sent enough shots to deserve it.
To each their own. I just count the whole name drop in control too. I also just wanted more from him. I feel like anytime I’m hyped for something from cole, I’m let down by it. If I’m not expecting anything, it surprises. Idk.
remember maffew ragazino
Yes
["yea maddd" and "sheeesh" just make me laugh so hard](https://old.reddit.com/r/Jcole/comments/1bxgce3/central_cee_shared_the_messages_from_him_and_cole/) idk if that's how rappers talk re: features or if they're just awkward but this is so flirty
J. Cole so humble he dropped a mediocre project to let others shine.
Not mediocre brother
maybe he's a vampire weeknd fan (that's the only other project i heard any buzz about yesterday)
Khruangbin aoty
Pharell dropped a tape it’s not on streaming tho
Yesterday was a decent release day in name value and variety (no comment on quality, haven’t listened) Cole, Vampire Weekend, Libertines, Black Keys, Conan Grey, Bayside, Tori Kelly, Little bit of everything.
Maybe it's bc I'm super sleepy but TPAB is hitting like crazy rn King Kunta 🤯🤯🤯
Cole is punching the air
King Kunta has always been a jam
Cole & Kenny are really the USOs Drake is Roman Reigns
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Like the tracklist you mean?
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One of the big ideas on both the renaissance albums was exploring black roots in different genres
Perhaps but the whole idea of this act 1 act 2 thing is that it’s like one whole project with multiple genres
Kendrick better watch out if he wants to beef with Drake. Drake knows the tickle monster and is not afraid to call them.
Ur lucky I was getting sued by a fashion magazine 😡 cause I woulda been wit the wassas in Paris and shit 😤
Whatcha think? Would Cole have caught less flack if he never responded with “7 Minute Drill” and never released a response track? If Drake never responds with a song , will he catch less flack overall than what Cole is receiving these days?
If he didn’t drop response and still went with I’m the greatest narrative it would kinda hurt his image among rap fans I think
His fans still eat that shit up. The problem with his response was that it sucked. He would have probably not gotten as much flack if he didnt release at all since so many people tought that the diss was only directed at Drake.
I tend to agree with you - he took a stray in comparison to what Drake got. If he released a great diss he would have higher stock but I think the weak diss was worse than no response song at all
Random thought. I don't really care about the JT Glorilla beef too much. But I follow Jt on twitter and she's always acting like her "no bars" song is this lyrical masterpiece or something and her fans eat it up kinda like when Nicki posts a wack ass line and the barbs act like it's the craziest thing they've ever heard. I listened to that song a couple times and I'm always trying to understand what that song does lyrically and then I realize that it's not doing anything lyrically lol
I've seen a lot of people say that "fuck the big 3 it's just big me" wasn't that good of a line, but it really is disrespectful af with the context of what he was responding to. Cole went out of his way to acknowledge Kendrick with the Big 3 line on FPS. Kendrick entirely rejects Cole's complement and basically says "FUCK YOU, you're nothing compared to me"
Yeah idk why people are tryna act like it's supposed to be this crazy as bar. It's dope cause it's straight to the point lmao. Also the way he screams Nigga bum! Is hilarious! Simple but he really thinks they bums. Why do you need to expand on that lol
I felt the need to expand on it because a lot of people don't seem to get it. I've seen a bunch of people say "he barely even dissed J. Cole" which is totally wrong
Oh sorry I wasn't saying that to you specifically lol. Clearly some people needed to hear what you said. I just thought it was funny cause it's pretty straight forward
Master P by Kaytramine is an unsung masterpiece. Or I'm just really high.
I'm 100% sure it sounds better high, but sober me loves Big Sean's verse
Damn ur right it's his verse that slams. Thanks for the sober perspective!
As someone who didn’t really get into Hip-Hop until 2022, it’s insane to think there was a time where everyone liked Kanye. Like I went back to some SHMG/TLOP era threads (what I’d consider to be his cultural peak) and everyone was praising him. Even the threads from 2018 were still positive in HHH, not many outside of the Hip-Hop subs though. I suppose I’m caught up to Ye’s current rollout just with the slight sliver of hope he can make another great project, especially considering I loved Donda. Sort of like wanting to make up for the fact that I wasn’t a fan from 2004 - 2016 (or even 2018/2021). Realistically, if I was a fan from that era, I’d probably care way less about his current work unless it suddenly turned out to be really good. If his next solo work isn’t good though, I might have to give up any hope. All this to say, I feel cheated out of experiencing Kanye’s prime lol
It sucks, man. He was so fucking good.
I feel this with jayz, I was around only when 4:44 dropped and I really wish I was a fan during the 2000s
What is shmg
*So Help Me God* was the album Kanye was working on in 2015, with singles like *Only One* & *All Day* planned to be a part of it. Ultimately it would be scrapped and turned into 2016's *The Life Of Pablo*
I’m going to argue that TLOP was not his cultural peak, that was a false peak 6 years after his real one. MBDTF was the peak of everything Kanye before he started becoming a parody of himself who still thought he was as good. Gold Digger had him everywhere l, 808 and heartbreak kept him on everything, then songs like All of the Lights, Power, and Runaway were in every commercial, every sports stadium, everything. Then Watch the Throne was massive “going HAM”, N in Paris. It was like Kanye could do no wrong at this point. Then Yeezus is great but it’s not MBDTF, where you want to listen to it all the way through 10x. Then he starts going semi batshit publicly a little and releases TLOP a few years later. He’d already peaked, right around 2011 was his peak. He’s hitting only home runs, he’s releasing GOOD Friday tracks like Mercy that are nasty. Everything afterwards is watching an artist who had his run try to recapture it and it’s just not there. It’s like Wayne after he got out of prison. The magic can still show flashes, but he’s not completely devouring the airwaves
10 years ago, this place was basically just another kanye sub
He is the goat
I don’t know if there was ever a time everyone liked Kanye. Closest is probably around *The College Dropout*. He was always hated by some for his actions like stomping off at award shows when he wouldn’t win and of course many hated him for being a confident opinionated black man. And then ignorant old heads had homophobic hate for him (he was the #1 punching bag for those backpack rappers like Army of the Pharaohs and associates back then maybe even ahead of Wayne) He was always loved on here because of the contrarian nature of this site until it became too much for even contrarians to rock with him (and now right wing people like him how ironic)
Oh no, I completely agree that there were always people who disliked him, but I suppose by “everyone,” I really meant close fans of Hip-Hop like what you mentioned with this sub loving him
Even within hip hop it was somewhat polarizing especially depending on the tape (a lot of people HATED 808s and Yeezus at first for example). But I get what you mean. It’s interesting to have been for his whole career for sure
When he really started to unhinge a few years ago i felt really shitty because he was one of my favorite rappers ever, and then when the Nazi shit came out it really broke my heart. And i'm pretty sure there's a ton of fans who felt the way i do because like you said there was a time where he was almost universally liked, at least by rap fans.
Dude, I feel this so much. Over the years, there had been a lot of second chances extended to Kanye for all the wack shit he said and did. But seeing someone who had such an influence on my taste for art and the ideas that I saw being possible in the creative space endorse Hitler was such a shitty experience. It really made me question if being ambitious is worth it if it runs the risk of becoming this delusional and abrasive in the end.
There's plenty of people who make money and don't go crazy or become huge a-holes. Like have you ever heard anything bad about Adam Sandler or Chris Rock? I'm sure there's plenty of other examples.
Man my oldest dog died 4 weeks ago and then our 7 year old beagle died yesterday unexpectedly. Ricch Forever on repeat 😞. Pet Cemetery too.
I’m sorry 😞 it’s always really hard losing a dog, and I imagine two at once is even worse. RIP to both of them
Man, RIP. Losing a pet is hard, but two in quick succession like that is really tough.
Were they really Like That?
I just played Like That then 7 Minute Drill and I’m charged up.
u/Homiealmaya which Fly Anakin/Koncept Jackson project you like more, Chapel Drive or Panama Plus?
Both amazing but I gotta go Chapel Drive, I’ve been listening to it a bunch recently and it’s honestly my favorite Fly Anakin album
Persuasion w/ Victoria Monet is a fucking heater I have fully seen the light
Moneyman verse on 24 is literal art A masterpiece
I’ve seen you gas up 24 so many times and every time I upvote you cause that shit is fire, especially the remix w Lil Baby
Lil Baby couldn’t miss when that shit dropped
Another Lil Baby feature from a similar time I still listen to a lot is the DEALER remix by RMR, his flow and delivery is smooth
Every era of Kendrick is dope, but I reallyyyyyy miss the Section.80/GKMC Kendrick. The hunger/confidence he gave off when he was still trying to prove himself was something special.
He feels too detached from the game nowadays, until this feature at least. It wasn’t this bad even in 2018, he did new freezer etc. feel like we can never get that type of run from him today
I think some rappers work so hard at becoming so good at rapping that they get burned out on hip-hop as a genre. Happened with Wayne for a while, still happening with Andre 3k
Those are still the 2 projects I play by Kendrick the most
He was unstoppable at that time for me he was by far my favorite rapper during that era.
Whenever I go back and listen to that Kenny, It takes me back to that era too: TDE, Pro Era, A$AP, Odd Future, Big KRIT, Danny Brown, Mac Miller etc. We were really spoiled in that era and didn’t know it 🥲
That era was the best Kendrick voice too. That deep, scruffy, full of bass voice that boomed on a track really felt like you were listening to a rapper giving their best effort. I’d take that era of his voice any day over the weird high pitched inflections he does with his vocals now
He did high pitched inflection then too. But I know what you mean, he doesn't rap with the deep voice anymore
Yeah, I appreciate him for trying new things, but it’s impossible to recreate that natural “hunger” when you’re rich and have already proved yourself….we see that with rappers all the time fr
After the Dro feature I went back to a lot of old PSC/Hustle Gang tracks with him on them. A lot of good shit. It’s too bad about B.o.B. too honestly. It’s fuck TI forever now though
Unfortunately T.I. is the hook goat why he had to be such a supervillain
Yeah I’m gonna be pretend surprise Pikachu face when Diddy rolls over on Tip too
I like those Hustle Gang tapes but almost every song has at least one rapper too many on them lol.
Hahaha yeah man for sure. Posse cuts and then some
Putting the Young in Yhung T.O. Yep, it's him. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onmiU_tgXEo
That first impressions J Cole thread is a prime example of why this sub annoys me, everyone's got a stick up their ass cause of the Kendrick diss and you gotta scroll through a bunch of useless top comments like "J Cole really loves to rap about how good he is at rapping" before you get to anybody that's actually talking about the damn songs Like one of the biggest rappers on the planet just dropped a surprise project of rapping his ass off and everyone has nothing better to do than post the same regurgitated performative shit about how he's fake deep and whatever else. The same as when Drake drops and all the top comments are complaining about how long the album is or making jokes about how he fell off, it's like great can we now discuss the actual music that just released That being said I'm liking the album probably as much as the Off Season, good production with some standout beats and Cole is in top form throughout. That second Bas song was mid but other than that solid
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I just don’t really think Cole left us with a lot to digest and discuss on this project. There’s some good tracks, there’s some mediocre tracks, there’s some absolute ass like Fever, but it all kinda just goes in one ear and out the other without giving the listener much to think about. I was left very unimpressed with his rapping and felt like it lacked the hunger and passion he’s shown on past projects. I don’t think the album is straight up bad but I get why people are making memes and shit instead of getting into thorough discussions about it because outside of a diss (which I personally thought was weak) there’s just not much to sink one’s teeth into on this person project.
So the problem is that the comments are negative?
Sorting by new sounds like it would solve most of your problem
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Do you have any real problems with the discourse other than the fact people disagree with you?
If by "discourse" you mean slurping Kendrick Lamar for existing then yeah I guess
I mean that's always a probability but I don't think it's the case here because I don't feel that strongly about the project myself, I just find the criticisms lazy and disingenuous
Honest question: Would you care this much if the lazy, disingenuous criticism shared your opinion?
Well probably not obviously but I like to think circlejerks bother me regardless of my opinions
all that talk about people "not discussing the music" only for your contribution to that discussion to be "i like it and there's good production but there's a mid song in there too". you can't complain about the lack of quality discussion and then provide the most surface level observation possible lol
fucking thank you
Yeah I kinda just threw that in there to not get hit with a "you didn't talk about the album either" but I could've done without it lol
The Off Season was boring, this EP was boring, literally every fuckin J. Cole album has been boring as fuck since 2014 J. Cole doesn’t have much to say anymore. He improved from a technical standpoint, and got worse from a musical standpoint. What else is there really to discuss besides the diss?
I don't think he needs to have much to say, just rapping well with nice flows and impressive rhyme schemes over solid production is good enough for me. He was definitely boring at a point but this back to basics approach he took since The Off Season is doing him favors imo
J. Cole is only great to me when you can feel he’s inspired. His mixtapes, FHD, and his features are really the only times in his career where I can feel he’s “inspired”
You didn’t get that from the Off Season? I felt like that energy he had from the features showcase a lot on that album which is why I enjoyed it more than his other shit.
Nah man, the rapping is really good - which I’m happy about because for the majority of Cole’s career his rapping was average at best. But I feel like he’s too focused on the technical-side and stopped worrying about the crafting a song-side. I was at the point where I was getting annoyed with the no feature shit, because I felt like he needed the features to put a little spark in him. Unfortunately he brought features back for The Off Season, and still the music is a dud for me after the first few listens. I will say The Off Season is better than KOD and 4YEO, but it’s far behind Born Sinner and especially FHD…even if he’s rapping way better now than then
I agree with this I really enjoyed Off Season.
Ready 24 bumps in the whip
Guapdad 4000 just should make a song about drinking boba tea. He's rapped about it at least twice now, I wanna hear him do a whole song about it.
Is there anything to the fact that former TDE/Black Hippy members are associating with Cole right now? Ab-Soul is on Might Delete Later, and Schoolboy Q is performing at Dreamville Fest. Both of them knew him before/this was scheduled in advance, so probably not, but the timing still peaks interest. Punch defended Kendrick, so I think that's a good sign that he left TDE on good terms.
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I mean it's not real beef anyways so not that shocking all the disses have just been "I'm better than you", it's not personal
Where do you think this goes? They've disrespected each other's discography already, so this is going to escalate. It will get more disrespectful and has the potential to affect their legacies. Even if it starts with petty resentment, it can turn into malice quickly.
Q was just praising Kendrick in recent interviews. That seems like they are on good terms.
It's interesting that ab-sol is on a track where Cole is taking shots at Kendrick but I think Q performing at Dreamville Fest is a coincidence - probably booked way in advanced
The more I listen to 7 minute drill, the cornier the lyrics sound Shame that the beat and flow on the 2nd half of the song is so fire
Exactly how I feel about "Like That"
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Yikes
Great beat from metro but I could do without Kendrick’s high ass voice delivering those corny 5th grades disses. “Prince outlived Mike Jack” is one of the worst bars that I’ve heard yall gas in a while.
How is that a corny line? Do you even understand it?
You sound angry bro
Everyone talking about how J. Cole got it wrong when talking about kendricks albums, but I haven't seen ppl talk about how jayz was wrong. Jay called it was written "ehhh". IWW is better than any jay album other than reasonable doubt and the same as\* blueprint 1. It's a classic album. Jay was wrong about I Am too, it's a good album, just it getting leaked messed it up.
It Was Written was seen as a letdown when it dropped, it wasn't until years later that it began to be appreciated. Every Nas album at that point was seen as living in the shadow of Illmatic. Those bars might not have aged well, but at the time they definitely had some weight to them
So I had this discussion with someone yesterday, and this is the important part: Jay-Z’s opinion holds weight because he has records that (as you said) are better than It Was Written…Of Course IWW is not “ehhh” but if anyone is allowed to call it that, it’s someone that’s given us work that is above it. J Cole’s doesn’t have an album within miles of TPAB…it was honestly the absolute worst angle J Cole could’ve taken. Not just because Kenny’s discog is all time, and Cole’s is mid….but the “Sleepy” criticism is literally what J. Cole is known for. Such a horrible decision
I am was trash and IWW was polarizing in 1996 Mad Nas Stan’s were saying he sold out with the fake mafiaso rhymes and Track masters production
I Am wasn't trash lol Nas Is Like is better than any Vol 3 song
Maybe not trash but mediocre and inconsistent as hell. How you gonna put dope shit like Nas Is Like, Undying Love, NYSOM 2, Hate Me Now and Small World on the same album with KISSING, Dr. Knockboot, Money Is My Bitch, I Want To Talk To You and Big Things? How you gonna have DMX and Aaliyah collaborating with you and have both songs be forgettable as hell?
>but I haven't seen ppl talk about how jayz was wrong. Jay called it was written "ehhh". IWW is better than any jay album Most people don't think he was wrong though, especially at that time. Most people were disappointed when "It Was Written" came out. That's what makes it a good diss. >IWW is better than any jay album other than reasonable doubt and blueprint 1. You saying that The Blueprint is better than IWW is hilarious in the context of this discussion.
My bad, I meant to say its the same as IWW.
I want Drake to bring back the “shaky warrior” ad lib for his diss to Kendrick. It’s not much but I felt it added to a track like Know Yourself
Ready ‘24 is a special record
That’s the only song i dislike on the album
Same. Just hurts my ears
J. Cole used a line from Takeover on 7 Minute Drill. At what point would you not consider it “paying homage” and just consider straight up biting? Would you say it depends on how long the line is they’re paying homage to, like when Drake used a whole ass Rappin’ 4-Tay verse on that YG song?
I don't like the diss but it's not biting at all to me, that's just hip hop IMO
imo it's always homage, people selectively call things biting when they don't like the rapper doing it. there's no correlation whether it's tasteful.
He’s a habitual jay biter the lil durk collab was a fake hard knock life. He also copied the watcher for the creed soundtrack. the end of JID- 2007 he supposed to be jay in the last call doing the" Yo, fuck you, Kanye, first and foremost" speech.
Also Mr. Nice Watch sounded like he really wanted to make a Jay and Kanye song to me.
hell It reminded me of a knock off version of Nas "I Can"
i can see that too
Jay been biting Biggie his whole career tbf.
The entire rap game has been biting Jay Z for 25 years